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Anyone ever actually read these books? I only discovered their existence while looking for an appropriate name for this game. This game that it is finally time to reveal the results and all the stats of.

Links? I've got a few. Don't forget to replace the " (dot) " with ".". Start with the 1st link to get a brief bit of lore. Use the 3rd link once you've read the Batrep to see how the individual pilots did. The other links all provide various bits of info. Now let's get to it.

Links
Kapteyn Academy Characters & Lore
https://drive (dot) google.com/file/d/1LEuwenAClWTsiMaEtSE2QHd01OMxjFi0/view?usp=drive_link

Kapteyn Academy, Year 1 Batrep
https://drive (dot) google.com/file/d/1uk2PHO00V_L4jsthn0FpVQUlvmtsB69k/view?usp=drive_link

Kapteyn Academy, Year 1 Report Cards
https://drive (dot) google.com/file/d/1M-Bh_8xg52YAZcmtegIl5-9ZSxTgvN-E/view?usp=drive_link

Kapteyn Academy Turn Logs
https://drive (dot) google.com/file/d/1qtFERBqZtBbx4lZxYWEFeFrR2_p5GeKQ/view?usp=drive_link

Kapteyn Academy, Year 1 Record Sheets
https://drive (dot) google.com/drive/folders/1b7duqzXN-J_T5M6tCWPQo7Lb46aUNiGf?usp=drive_link

Kapteyn Academy, Year 1 Turn Pics
https://drive (dot) google.com/drive/folders/1T_0PjHPijhy9Ci2FD6FcU7XtHlKjsqxS?usp=drive_link

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Turn 0: The Battlefield boundaries have been established. 2 teams have been declared along faction lines. Free Worlds League and the Draconis Combine, versus the Capellan Confederation and Mercenaries. Preliminary analysis shows a discrepancy in the forces on the 2 sides. 2 Scorpion Light Tanks(hereafter abbreviated as SLT), commissioned by ComStar, have been deployed to support the Capellan Confederation/Mercenary force. 1 tank is being deployed directly with each lance.

Turn 1: All units move out, jockeying for strategic positions.

Turn 2: Limited fire is exchanged. Marik Ishtar(Orange/Blue Locust) avoids a floating crit on the CT. The White SLT takes major damage on 3 of its sides from Marik Ishtar and Hob "Hobby" Hobertson(Javelin).

Turn 3: Most units are now in range of a target and open fire. Most units miss. Hobby hits the White SLT with 3 more ML shots, destroying it outright. Wang Lee(Green Locust) take a MG hit to the head and gets a wound.
White SLT destroyed.

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Turn 4: Igzael Antwerp-Jones(Black Locust) takes damage to the RA that crits the shoulder, giving the RA MG a +4 to hit penalty. Hobby(Javelin) takes a lot of damage and a double crit to the LT which destroys a Heat Sink and a Medium Laser.

Vladimir Ignatyev(Valkyrie) took fire from the Javelin that caused a crit in the RA, destroying his Medium Laser. Wang Lee(Green Locust) came under heavy fire a failed a damage PSR. Wang Lee fell onto his back, causing a wound and a double crit to the CT that crit the Fusion Engine & Gyro. Wang Lee now meets the conditions for a forced withdraw. (House rule: Units that meet the conditions for a forced withdraw will only attempt to withdraw each turn they fail a PSR with a +x modifier, where x = the number of wounds the Mechwarrior has suffered. This is checked at the start of each turn.)

Janusz Kotow(Orion) takes a kick to the head and suffers a wound from the Tiger P-Hawk. (Brainfarted here and put the 9 damage into a 5 and 4 point cluster instead of a single 9 point attack that happens from a kick. Thankfully, this would not have an effect on the game.) Janusz Kotow then failed a PSR check for being kicked and his Orion fell on its back.

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Turn 5: Wang Lee makes a forced withdraw PSR, needing 9. (7 piloting skill + 2 wounds.) He rolled an 11, so he continues to fight. He attempts to stand his mech back up with a measured walk. (PSR 10, rolled 11.) Upon getting back to his feet, he opens fire on the enemy Blackjack, but missed with both of his weapons. (Needed 6s, both miss.)

Shiloh Verkler(Wolverine) came under massive fire and was knocked over.

Igzael(Black Locust) suffered a crit that destroyed his Medium Laser. Orange SLT took a motive system crit that reduced movement.

Bob Denard(Tiger Wasp) was on the receiving end of Ignacio Nachomura's(Blackjack) alpha strike. All 6 attacks hit the mech. (Four 7s & two 10s were needed to hit.) Among this 22 damage, the Tiger Wasp suffered a crit on its LT which triggered an ammo explosion that tore through the LT and CT, destroying the mech. Bob Denard managed to stay conscious and eject.

Marik in his Orange/Blue Locust attempted to kick Igzael in his Black Locust, but he missed and Marik's mech fell on its rear.

Tiger Wasp (Bob Denard) destroyed.

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Turn 6: Wang Lee (Green Locust) takes another forced withdraw PSR. (rolled 6.) With his nerve lost, he flees off the battlefield.

Igzael(Black Locust) takes a significant 18 points of damage, dodging potential crits on both the LL and LT. However, he did take a hit to the head, wounding him, and his Locust lost its LA, leaving him with a single MG that has a +4 to hit penalty.

Quickdraw and Orange SLT take light damage while the Wolverine takes mid damage.(47 total in 2 turns.)

Green Locust (Wang Lee) flees the battlefield.

Turn 7: All sides continuing firing at opportune targets. The Crusader, Blackjack, and Valkyrie have all found high spots to stand still in and shoot from afar.

Warhammer, Shadow Hawk, both P-Hawks, and Orange SLT all take 5 damage. Orange SLT takes motive damage that further limits movement speed.

The Quickdraw(Ayumu Jones) comes under fire from 3 sides and suffers 26 damage. She manages to stay standing and kick at the Orange SLT, but misses the tank. Thankfully, she doesn't fall from missing her kick.

Hobby in his Javelin has fallen back to some rubble to regroup and while he's there, he picks up a girder for a weapon.

Turn 8: The Liao-Mercs strike back hard in this turn! They deal a total of 13 damage to the Blackjack, 13 to the Shadow Hawk, 18 to the Warhammer, and a massive 30 more damage to the Quickdraw.

The Quickdraw had to roll for a potential 6 crits! (Rolls were 6, 6, 6, 5, 6, & 11.) 2 crits in the RA destroyed the Lower Arm Actuator and the Hand Actuator. Under such massive fire, Ayumu had to take another PSR, but passed this one too.

The Black Locust (Igzael Antwerp-Jones) reveals his plan to try and still contribute to this fight while only having a single +4 to hit MG available. He charges the Crusader(Rebecca Buck)! If he's successful, the Crusader would be knocked off of an elevation 2 hill! Unfortunately for Igzael, he fails the charge.

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Turn 9: This turn saw a lot of missed shots, with the Marik-Kurita side taking just 14 damage in total from weapons and the Liao-Marcs taking even less, with just 10 damage total from their weapons.

Not everyone has been playing it cool this entire time, especially on the Liao-Mercs side. The Crusader has been holding at 5 heat for some time and the Tiger P-Hawk(Tetsuo) held back to sink 1 heat, dropping to 5. Meanwhile, the Green P-Hawk (William McCormick has gone hot at 14 heat, even triggering a potential forced shutdown. (Avoid on 4+, rolled 11.)

Melee saw a bit more action. Not noted until now, but the Green Wasp(Eleanor Gale) has been jumping behind target and firing into their back and also throwing a punch with her free arm when she lands. This turn it was a 2 damage lovetap to the rear of the Orion.

The big melee action happened between Vladimir in the Valkyrie and Hobby in the Javelin. Vladimir was at a higher elevation and kicked at Hob. (I noticed that I only marked 5 damage to the Javelin's head instead of 6. This would, again, not have an effect on the game. What is wrong with me and putting kick damage on the heads in this game? I didn't even accidentally put the 6th point somewhere else.) Hobby swung his girder at Vladimir and hits it in the RL, destroying its Lower Leg Actuator and knocking the Valkyrie on to its back.

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Turn 10A: Crusader and Tiger P-Hawk are starting the turn off hot at 5 heat while the Green P-Hawk is scorching at 14 heat. Igzael in his Black Locust has repositioned and lined himself up for another charge attempt on Rebecca's Crusader.

It's another heavy damage turn for both sides as even Obal's Warhammer managed to land a hit on the enemy Wolverine this turn. The Warhammer has started to rack up some noticeable armor damage. He's still intact and missing the vast majority of his attacks. There's a reason he comes in at dead last for accuracy.

Nacho's Blackjack takes another 13 damage, with his right side suffering greatly. Ayumu's Quickdraw take massive damage yet again(25 damage). One more time though, the girl stays standing! Though in the process, the RA is destroyed. The Orange SLT takes some more damage and through another Motive System check, becomes completely immobile. Tetsuo's Tiger P-Hawk goes hot! An Alpha Strike with a full jump sees heat going up to 15, but Tetsuo avoids a potential 4+ shutdown.

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Turn 10B: Rebecca Buck then accomplishes what every Mechwarrior who has ever stepped inside a Crusader dreams of doing. She used up all of her LRM Ammo! 2 potential sources of ammo bin explosions in high risk areas have been eliminated! Rebecca's heat does rise to 13 this term however and with no long range weapons anymore, she'll have to work on cooling off and getting in close. Meanwhile, Igzael's Black Locust had its RT destroyed, which makes him officially weaponless. His charge attack on the Crusader failed, again. He will have to make forced withdraw checks from now on.

Over on the Valkyrie/Javelin front, Vladimir fired off another LRM volley for another miss, whill Hobby fired his Medium Lasers into Vladimir's Valkyrie and destroyed its RL. The Valkyrie fell forward, but Vladimir stay conscious from the impact. However, it wasn't over yet. Hobby, in his Javelin, swung his girder at the downed Valkyrie, smashing it and triggering an Ammo Explosion! This destroyed the RT & CT of the Valkyrie and knocked Vladimir unconscious in the process.

Valkyrie (Vladimir Ignatyev) destroyed.

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Turn 11A: The Liao-Mercs Strike Back! & Go Home ComStar Tank!

The turn starts with Igzael Antwerp-Jones fails his forced withdraw PSR and uses this turn to withdraw from the battlefield. It's never good to lose, but it's always better to flee and fight another day than it is to go down in battle.

Black Locust (Igzael Antwerp-Jones) has fled the battlefield.

Obal in his Warhammer actually decides to do something and lands a PPC hit on the Crusader. Good for him. He's technically helping. He's joined by minor fire from Morgan to pepper the Crusader, but it's all surface level. Marik Ishtar in his Locust does some harassing of the Wolverine in his Locust and actually manages to crit the RL and destroy its foot actuator.

Orion takes some rear hits from Eleanor and the Shad takes a spattering of hits on its left side, but they're both still okay.

Ayumu Jones in her Quickdraw is in a bad spot. She's taken a lot of damage and fears that she's on her way out of this battlefield, but if she's going down, she's determined to do something good before she does. The Orange SLT is immobile, making it a prime target for a DFA! Banana Bread takes flights and manages to land on the Orange SLT, completely crushing the tank's left side!

Orange Scorpion Light Tank has been destroyed.

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Turn 11B: As Ayumu lands she takes damage to both of the Quickdraw's legs. The damage goes internal and crit checks are made on both of them. The RL clears, but the LL rolls a 12! The LL is completely destroyed and the Quickdraw falls to the ground on its back. The damage from the fall then causes a crit on the Fusion Engine. Her seatbelt holds and she manages to avoid getting a wound on the way down.(Needed an 11 to avoid the wound and rolled an 11.) Still, with a completely missing leg, Ayumu will now be making Forced Withdraw checks. On her first check, she just needs a 6+, but rolls a 4. In light of the Quickdraw having a lost leg, it is judged that retreating from the battlefield is unlikely to work.

Quickdraw (Ayumu "Banana Bread" Jones) ejects from her mech.


Turn 12A: The Liao-Mercs proved that they won't go down without a fight and have evened things out, but will they be able to keep the momentum?

Marik makes a bold move, piloting his Locust into the local river, but he keeps control of it.

The Orange/Blue Locust takes 7 damage, while the opposing Wolverine takes 7, the Green P-Hawk takes 5, and the Green Wasp takes 5. An Alpha Strike from the Orion(needing 7s & 9s.) still saw just a single ML from the 5 attacks hit Eleanor's Wasp. Eleanor Gale has done a great job of drawing the Orion's fire over the course of the battle.

Ignacio Nachomura's Blackjack comes under heavy fire from William McCormick's Green P-Hawk. William did an Alpha Strike and landed all the weapons fire, dealing 22 damage to the Blackjack, while Tetsuo's Tiger P-Hawk takes advantage of the cover fire to sink heat for the turn. The Blackjack's RA is destroyed outright and a Heat Sink in the RT is also destroyed. Nachomura is hanging on by a thread. William even kicked the Blackjack, sending an additional 9 damage into the RL, but Nachomura passed his PSR and remained standing.

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Turn 12B: Rebecca Buck comes under further light fire as the enemy Shad landed 5 LRMs on her RA, causing a crit that destroyed the Crusader's Hand Actuator. Alongside the enemy Shad, Obal's Warhammer managed to land 4 SRMs as well. 1 of these was on the CT for a floating crit check. (Rolled 11.) 2 locations were rolled for the crits. The first location was the RT and so it automatically hit the LRM ammo bin causing it to explode for ZERO damage because it was empty! This is the kind of event every Crusader pilot dreams of. The ammo was used and as a result, couldn't explode! So naturally the 2nd crit hit CT's SRM ammo bin! Using the new damage rules the CT took 20 damage and survived with 1 point remaining on the CT. Due to the ammo explosion however, Rebecca Buck suffered 2 wounds and then promptly rolled a 2 on the consciousness check. Her Crusader fell over and managed to destroy the ML in the RA on the way down. She also suffered a 3rd wound.

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Turn 13A: The round starts with an Rebecca Buck meeting the conditions for a Forced Withdraw. Under normal conditions, that would mean needing a 9, but since she's unconscious, she auto-fails.

A controversial decision is then made by the ComStar Precentor Elias Voss as he is overseeing the event. It becomes very clear that the Marik-Kurita alliance will be focusing its efforts on ensuring the Crusader does not get back up. Analysis of the incoming attacks was as follows:

Warhammer(+13) fires 2PPC, 2ML, 2SRM6 @ Crusader, needing 2s & 4s.
Shadow Hawk fires AC/5, ML, SRM2, LRM5 @ Crusader, needing 2, 3s, & 4.
Orange/Blue Locust fires ML @ Crusader, needing 4.
Javelin(1ht) fires 3ML @ Crusader, needing 3s.

This was a guaranteed 30 damage minimum with a maximum possible of 93 and a high probability of that happening. The decision was made to override fire controls. None of the mechs were permitted to fire on the Crusader and it was declared destroyed for the purposes of the battle. The truly controversial part is that damage was not calculated for any of the pilots in regards to their stats. Sorry everyone, just how it is. (Before you hate, my own guy was included in that decision.)

Crusader (Rebecca Buck) has been KO'd and eliminated.

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Turn 13B: The Liao-Mercs did what it could to capitalize on it with 5 damage to the Orion with a follow-up Wasp punch for 2, 10 to the Warhammer, and 5 more to the Blackjack, but it wasn't much. A crit check on the Blackjack's RT even failed.

Not everyone on the Kurita-Marik alliance was focusing on the Crusader though. Janusz Kotow fired into the rear of the Wolverine and hit with most of its weapons for a total of 26 damage. There were multiple crit checks. Some failed, one destroyed a heat sink and another hit the SRM ammo bin, causing an ammo explosion that destroyed the LT. Taking 2 wounds from the neural feedback, Shiloh Verkler went unconscious. She fell over and suffered an immediate 3rd wound. The ammo explosion caused a crit check on the CT as the damage transferred and an 11 was rolled. The Fusion Engine then suffered 2 crits, causing Shiloh Verkler to meet the conditions for a forced withdraw check. Yet as she was unconscious, this was an auto fail. To avoid a 2nd controversial call, Shiloh Verkler was immediately declared to be eliminated.

Wolverine (Shiloh Verkler) has been KO'd and eliminated.

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Turn 14: The Liao-Mercs are down to just 3 remaining units, but it's also all of their best pilots and the 3 of them make up over 40% of their side's total Battle Value. While Marik-Kurita are still at 80% BV, their Blackjack and Locust could both go down at any time and their Warhammer doesn't believe in the concept of aiming.

The most crucial thing that happened this turn had to have been that Marik-Kurita wont the initiative roll. In light of this, they were able to better adapt to their enemies' movement.

Nachomura fired at Tetsuo in his Tiger P-Hawk, going even hotter, up to 12 heat, but he landed 2 MLs for 10 damage.

Eleanor continued to dominate the harassment scene by landing 7 damage on the Orion. An Alpha Strike fired back at her wasp and yet still only hit with 3SRMs, going internal on the RT but not critting. Janusz also tried to kick Eleanor's Wasp, but missed. Janusz managed to avoid falling from the missed kick however. Eleanor tried to punch back, but also missed. Morgan Munroe in her Shadow Hawk was throwing secondary fire at the Wasp, but it missed as well. Morgan then also tried to kick Eleanor Gale's Wasp and actually made contact! The Green Wasp's RL was destroyed. Eleanor's Wasp fell on it's back, but the damage didn't go internal. Her seatbelt check failed and she took a wound, but she stayed conscious. In light of her position on the battlefield and missing a leg, she opted to eject immediately.

Green Wasp (Eleanor Gale) ejects.

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Turn 15: The battle is most certainly lost for the Liao-Mercs at this point, but individual pilots can still fight for personal glory here. What's more, the 2 remaining pilots are both in Phoenix Hawks and both have 3 gunnery. They've been proving to be a dangerous duo throughout the entire battle as they've covered each other while ganging up on targets and doing major damage. Yet the 2 of them find themselves firing on different targets this turn.

Morgan Munroe's Shadow Hawk takes 9 more damage from enemy fire. A kick from a higher elevation at Tetsuo's Tiger P-Hawk misses and the Shad punches the leg back in return.

Ignacio Nachomura's Blackjack comes under fire from William McCormick's Green P-Hawk and suffers another 18 damage. The RT is destroyed and the Fusion Engine even suffers a critical hit as the last of the forward CT armor is destroyed. For his part, Ignacio Nachomura fired all 3 of his MLs and his AC/2 at the Tiger P-Hawk, alongside the rest of his team. Nachomura however is now down to just 9 working heat sinks and with a crit fusion engine he finds himself at 20 excess heat!

On this turn, everyone hates Tetsuo and opens fire on him. Tetsuo takes numerous hits, suffering 44 damage in total! The LA & RA are both destroyed, leaving the Tiger P-Hawk without weapons. Tetsuo takes a wound from the mech's head being hit, but remains conscious and also passes his damage PSR. With no more functioning weapons, Tetsuo meets the condition for Forced Withdraw. However, because he has no weapons, he will auto fail his check and start to try and flee.

The turn comes to an end with Ignacio Nachomura's Blackjack at 20 heat and having to make 3 checks. First is an ammo explosion check needing 4+. He rolled an 8. Next is to avoid a forced shutdown. He needed a 6+. He rolled a 9. Finally, he now meets the conditions for a forced withdraw as a PSR of 5. He rolled a 7. Ignacio Nachomura is doing an impressive job of holding on, but he could fall apart at any moment.

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Turn 16A: The Liao-Mercs win initiative and Tetsuo immediately jumps to the edge of the battlefield to try and flee. This leaves everyone on the Marik-Kurita alliance trying to anticipate the movements of the basically alone William McCormick, as the fleeing Tetsuo is hidden well behind many forests and elevation 2 hills.

At 20 heat, Nachomura's Blackjack suffers a -4 to movement penalty. His mech is so hot that it can't even walk! He could still use his Jump Jets, but he can only sink 4 heat a turn and that would cancel that out and still risk ammo explosions and forced shutdowns. In light of all this, Nachomura makes the daring decision to manually shut down his mech to help it cool off. He is counting on his teammates to cover him.

William McCormick, notices the Blackjack shutdown and smells blood in the water. With the Blackjack now immobile for the turn, he commits to a DFA! What's more, at 12 heat, this will let him to a powerful offensive maneuver while sinking heat.

Everyone opens fire on the Green P-Hawk, trying to shoot it out of the sky. Obal actually hits with a PPC for 10 damage and Marik his with his ML for 5 damage, but both Janusz and Morgan miss with the entirety of their Alpha Strikes. (Orion made 5 attacks needing 9s. Shad made 4 attacks needing 7, 7, 8, & 11.) The 2 of them just needed to do 5 more damage to cause a PSR and possibly stop the DFA, but they couldn't do it.

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Turn 16B: The Green P-Hawk lands on the Blackjack with a successful DFA, dealing 14 damage to it. Part of that damage goes to the head, causing a wound on Nachomura. A crit check on the CT fails to get results. The Blackjack, having been hit by a DFA while shutdown, automatically falls down. It lands on to its back and Nachomura takes a 2nd wound. Despite his wounds, he remains conscious! His Blackjack even goes down to 11 heat and auto-restarts.

William McCormick, the hotshot gunner, has to take a PSR 10 for landing the DFA. He rolls an 8 and falls forward, taking minimal damage. Hot shot gunnery doesn't translate to hot shot piloting.

Turn 17A: The Liao-Mercs win initiative and Tetsuo in his Tiger Phoenix Hawk immediately jumps off the battlefield.

Tiger Phoenix Hawk (Tetsuo Puentealtoa) has fled the battlefield.

Everyone on the side of the Marik-Kurita alliance then goes into a position to try and set them up for a potential attack. Even Hobby in his Javelin who has spent the last 6 turns trying to get back into attack range!

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Turn 17B: Nachomura fails his Forced Withdraw PSR, but at 11 heat, his Blackjack still get a -2 to movement, making his current movement profile a 2/3. He declares a RUN and attempts to stand, needing a 5. He rolls a 7. He is unable to do anything else and stays still.

William McCormick is also running a bit hot at 9 heat, also getting a -2 movement penalty, giving him a 4/6 movement profile. He also declares a RUN and attempts to stand. He needs to roll a 6 to stand up, he rolls a 4 and falls over, but the damage is minimal and the seatbelt holds. He tries to stand up a 2nd time and rolls a 4 again. He falls backwards, taking a crit to the RT that destroys a Jump Jet. What's more, he takes a wound this time, but he stays conscious. He attempt to stand a 3rd time and rolls a 3, falling over yet again. This time he falls forward, exposing the rear of the mech as he ends up being face down and immobile.

3 times McCormick tried to stand up. 3 times he fell over. What happened next was horrific. It should also be known that before this turn, the Green P-Hawk had taken ZERO structure damage. In hindsight, an immediate stop should have been called, but who could have foreseen this?

The Green P-Hawk would take 66 damage this turn. The LL Lower Leg Actuator would be destroyed. There would be 6 crit checks on the CT that would result in 4 total crits to the CT. The Fusion Engine suffered a crit. The Gyro suffered 2 crits, destroying it outright. The Machine Gun's Ammo Bin also exploded, completely destroying the CT as well as causing more injuries to William McCormick. William McCormick then went unconscious.

Ignacio Nachomura's Blackjack then kicked the Green P-Hawk, dealing 9 damage to the RA, as on final indignity.

Green Phoenix Hawk (William McCormick) has been completely eradicated.

>GAME OVER!
>MARIK-KURITA WIN!

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HONOR THE DRAGON!

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>>98473360
>gets wounded to shit
>heroic rolls to stay in the fight and stand up
>immediately whiffs all his shots and runs
Still better than I expected

>>98473348
You may need to set the links to public, fyi

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>>98473432
They were this time.

There will be a hiatus before the next game, but game 2 is definitely planned and as part of that, there will end up being some rolls as well. For starters, every pilot will get the chance to roll for fresh stats to represent their improvements from training. While before, the -1 modifier was applied to represent them being new and unskilled, now, there will be NO modifier, since they're getting just a little bit better.

Mechs will also be undergoing some changes. There are highly influential people at the academy. This provides the potential to get a better mech, but the odds vary based on the pilots current reputation, motivation, faction, and current mech. Every pilot has been put into a different category for their rolling potential. Whatever new mech is rolled is purely optional. Roll for faction weight class and then the corresponding d1000 roll for the mech.

>3 rolls, take lowest
Rebecca Buck 4/6, Crusader CRD-3R
William McCormick 3/6, Phoenix Hawk PXH-1(Otherwise Demoted to Valkyrie)
Vladimir Ignatyev 6/7, Valkyrie VLK-QA (Otherwise Demoted to Wasp)
Igzael Antwerp-Jones 4/7, Locust LCT-1V (Privately owned) (Otherwise upgrade to -3V variant)
Wang Lee 5/7, Locust LCT-1V (Otherwise upgraded to -1E variant)

>2 rolls, take lowest
Janusz Kotow 4/5, Orion ON1-VA (Assumed privately owned)
Obal Moriancumer 5/6, Warhammer WHM-6R (Privately owned)
Morgan Munroe 4/5, Shadow Hawk SHD-2H (Privately owned)
Shiloh Verkler 5/6, Wolverine WVR-6R

>1 roll
Tetsuo Puentealto 3/5, Phoenix Hawk PXH-1
Bob Denard 4/5, Wasp WSP-1A

>No mech roll, Charger awarded to pilot with best new piloting skill
Ayumu "Banana Bread" Jones 6/6, Quickdraw QKD-4G
Ignacio Nachomura 4/5, Blackjack BJ-1
Hob "Hobby" Hobertson 4/4, Javelin JVN-10F
Ishtra Marik 4/6, Locust LCT-1V (Otherwise upgraded to -3V variant)

>No mech roll
Eleanor Gale 2/4, Wasp WSP-1A (Upgraded to Highlander, HGN-733P)

When replying to the game, using your pilot name helps avoid confusion.

>>98473472
>You may need to set the links to public, fyi
Ah, thank you. I suppose I will. Even with all this preparing, I still overlooked something.

Rolled 4, 4 = 8 (2d6)

>>98473490
So I'm guessing we're still rolling as Green but now with no modifier? Hence just a straight 2d6? Also do you want us rolling our shit immediately or would you rather hold off on that?

>>98473472
>You may need to set the links to public, fyi
And done. Access to the files has been changed to permit anyone with a link.
Thank you for pointing that out. I'll be busy later in the day so I'm glad I was able to get this fixed early.

>>98473509
Up to you when you want to roll. I'll be keeping track of who has rolled and what their new updates are as they come in.
As for piloting roll, nope! You get the full new 4d6 rolls for your pilot. For all I've kept track of, I certainly did not keep track of what experience rating each pilot originally rolled on.
For you, we'll keep that original 2d6 roll to show you're in the Regular category, but I'll need another 2d6 from you to see the new stats.
Good new for Wang Lee! In the Regular category, the worst pilot stat you can roll is 6! So he's at a bare minimum going to up that by 1.

Rolled 2, 5, 2, 6 = 15 (4d6)

>>98473490
Rolling for Ishtar Marik. Let's see if his run of luck in doing so good in the first battle is sustained with good rolls here.

Rolled 4, 1 = 5 (2d6)

>>98473515
Ah, alright then, here's the new rolls.

Rolled 36, 45, 20 = 101 (3d100)

Mech roll, as I recall was based on 3028 tables?

>>98473555
Actually there's a point, am I taking a single weight class roll, and then rolling 3 and taking lowest, rolling them in combination so that my first weight roll corresponds to a specific mech d1000 roll, or take the worst weight roll and the worst d1000 roll?

Rolled 5, 5, 4, 1 = 15 (4d6)

>>98473523
4/6. Congratulations Wang Lee. That is a marked improvement from the 5/7 Wang Lee was previously.
>>98473521
4/4!? Marik! Are you trying to claim the Charger for yourself!? Well my Hobby is already a 4/4. So I'll roll these dice and upgrade my piloting skill to a 3 to put an end to this Charger contest! GO! Dice roll!
(As the host of these games, I feel like I have to give up any ties to the other players, so if Hobby doesn't get any better, than you'll beat him on the Charger front.)

Rolled 1, 3, 4, 2 = 10 (4d6)

>>98473490
Guess I'll chance a roll for Rebecca Buck. Not sure if I should roll for a new mech though.

>>98473564
You'll make 3 weight class rolls, then 3 mech rolls to go with each of them. Whatever mech is lowest on the list from all of them is your potential upgrade.
>recall was based on 3028 tables?
No. The 3039 tables because of when this is taking place.
>>98473523
So you rolled 2 medium and a light. Realistically, you'd only need to do a single roll for the light mech, since neither of the medium mechs will be lower.

Rolled 828, 885 = 1713 (2d1000)

>>98473577
>Zero change
kek. Okay going to roll for a new mech again as a curiosity cause what are the chances get a Crusader again?

Rolled 848 (1d1000)

>>98473583
Alright, coordinator lend me your favour!

>>98473585
>BL-7-KNT Black Knight
That is actually a hell of an upgrade but feel free to keep it as a Crusader for a laugh.

>>98473566
My Hobby rolled a 3/5 and was previously 4/4. So that means his new stats will be 3/4 because our pilots can only ever get better.
>>98473577
There is no chance of better or worse. The pilots can only ever get better. If you roll a worse stat in either category, it is ignored and the better one is kept. With the mechs, it's the same. Rebecca Buck has her Crusader. She's a merc and didn't get demoted. The Crusader is safe. It's also very difficult to upgrade from a Crusader, hence why she's in the roll 3 take the lowest category. Chances are you're not getting 3 rolls in which the worst of them will be better than your current mech, but you still get to try.

>>98473585
Hold up there Rebecca. First off, you're in the roll 3 category. Second, that includes rolling for weight class too before rolling for mech. Hence why it's so unlikely to upgrade. We can still keep those 2 for weight class rolls, but I'll need a 3rd one yet. Then the rolls to correspond to each of those weight class rolls.

>>98473589
Spider-5V
Interesting. Looks like someone has seen some promise in Wang Lee over the past year and would like to hook you up. Would you like to accept the Spider-5V as Wang Lee's new mech or stick with the Locust-1E upgrade?

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So why none straps tactical nuclear weapon on their mechs?

>>98473603
Not that much in it, but there's surely more comedic value in having DFA in his repetoire, give the man his spider.

>>98473597
Well it was a mercenary roll where I am taking the 30/40/20/10 split as average so the first figure in a 2d1000 is weight and second figure is what it is on a chart. Are you saying you want a 6d1000?
I mainly did it for a laugh anyway to see if it would roll a Crusader again.

>>98473604
Every 'mech is a potential tactical nuclear weapon.

>>98473608
Well bargained and done Capellan. So Wang Lee will have gone from a 5/7 LCT-1V, to a 4/6 SDR-5V. That's very respectable progress.

>>98473614
So no reasons not to give Arrow-IV or AC-20 some more bite?

>>98473613
>Are you saying you want a 6d1000?
Well, I thought that would be simplest, but like last time, it seems there is no universally simple way to do this. I'm willing to take the 2 800 rolls as Heavy class rolls. Another roll like that and you might get to upgrade. Personally, I think it would be awesome if you really did end up with the chance for a Black Knight. Would make great storytelling sense too.
>I was watching the battle. You did great out there, until your ammo exploded on you. You know, I happen to have access to a very special mech. One which I think you could make use of and you'd never encounter that particular problem again.
Also, you're here, doing new pilot and mech rolls, no thoughts on the battle or Rebecca's performance. I mean she accomplished the Crusader dream of actually using up all her LRM ammo to avoid an ammo explosion and then still went down to an ammo explosion anyway!

Rolled 615, 80, 418, 39 = 1152 (4d1000)

>>98473635
>I mean she accomplished the Crusader dream of actually using up all her LRM ammo to avoid an ammo explosion and then still went down to an ammo explosion anyway!
I was actually going to type about it but got caught up with the temptation of dice. The gang up on the Crusader was very much Princess tier only thing missing were a bunch of swift kicks. The new rulesets really are making the Crusader a much more viable mech at least one that doesn't always auto die once an ammo bin is inevitably hit.

You know what I'll do another roll because how funny would it be if she got another mech that had more ammo explosion potential than a Crusader? I was actually expecting her to completely lose her mech and end up in a tank and I'm taking her not improving skills from a concussion she received from being knocked unconscious.
First two figures weight, second two figures what they are on the mercenary chart. Lets see what the dice giveth!

Rolled 992 (1d1000)

>>98473656
>PXH-1 Phoenix Hawk and Kurita medium salvage
Just curious to see what 3028 Kurita salvage would be

>>98473662
>GRF-1N Griffin
Griffin supremacy I see. Pity wasn't something like a Dervish. Would have been hilarious to see something far more combustible than a Crusader.

Rolled 3, 5, 1, 3 = 12 (4d6)

>>98473490
Rolling for Morgan's new statline, let's go stagnation.

Rolled 711, 316, 136, 540 = 1703 (4d1000)

>>98473696
Stagnation confirmed, rolling for new mech choice now.

Rolled 5, 6, 3, 2 = 16 (4d6)

>>98473490
Considering how Eleanor performed, I'm.... oh well, she did outperform her inspiration greatly. Let's roll for stats improvement, and fuck that Highlander is one hell of an upgrade.

>>98473705
That's a lost Warhammer and choice of an Assassin if I have it right. If the SHD had taken more than cosmetic damage I'd probably humor the idea of taking it, but I'll be passing.

>>98473707
3/5, so no improvements for Eleanor, as if she even needs it. She'll remain a 2/4 for now. As for the Highlander, when I was deciding on how I wanted to do rolling for mech upgrades, I did a single practice roll out of idle curiosity and it rolled the Highlander, HGN-733P. I thought about how I should let you make rolls for Eleanor yourself. I was even considering it being a roll 3, take the highest bit, because her performance was so good. But that roll just stuck in my mind. Even with a roll 3 take the highest, it's unlikely to roll a Highlander again. So I decided to say screw it and just give her the Highlander.
Maybe it will turn out to be a huge mistake to let a 2/4 Highlander come into existence in this series of games, but we'll all experience that mistake together. Don't get too cocky though. A mech like that puts a target on your back. Anyone who takes it down would have bragging rights for life. If they can take it down.

>>98473566
>4/4!? Marik! Are you trying to claim the Charger for yourself!?
I choose to believe the Charger upgrade was announced late in the year so Marik wasn't aiming for it, but instead saw his ranking on the leader board and thought that if he hadn't fucked up the kick and ended up on his ass, he would have ranked even higher. As such, he started learning wrestling from Ignacio Nachomura to fix his significant deficiencies in Mech Melee, more general improvements coming as a side effect but a big chunk just him having been really bad at melee beforehand and that's what was holding down his score that is now not an issue.

At least, if that's okay if Ignacio's anon.

>>98473818
Ignacio anon hasn't shown up yet. Truthfully, I was expecting to post the Batrep and check back in later for responses, but people started responding quickly. Igancio anon will still have to do his pilot stat rolls to see if he improves. For all we know, he might be the one to get the pilot skill of 3. I will tell you this however, between Marik and Hobby getting it, Hobby concedes the mech. He will have to make do with being in a fire Javelin again, but at 3/4, that's not a bad prospect. Maybe he'll grab another girder and run alongside Marik in the next battle... or against. I won't know what the team lineups will be for he next match until all new rolls are finalized.

>>98473614
Huh? You mean stackpoling?

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I can walk with one leg, fatties

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Rolled 5, 2, 4, 4 = 15 (4d6)

>>98473490

>>98473892
Felt it was a missed opportunity to make it if you have a leg destroyed you can pick up a tree and use it as a walking stick.

>>98473942
Battletech?

>>98473942
wrong board britbong

>>98473942
Wolverine pilot?

>>98473801
And it was a waste of such a good Veteran skill tier roll!
The 733P is a monster in this era, but it's still a 3/5 with tons of LRM ammo. It's like being a Clanner lite, she got the fancy mech but can she keep it?

>>98473747
Mother,

Thank you for your message and the news it carried. I am pleased to hear that my efforts at the academy have earned our family new clients, nearly as much as I am surprised to learn that you have made use of the extra parts from restoring Dullahan. I have no doubt that the newly rebuilt Assassin will prove to be as capable an heirloom as the inheritence you have entrusted me with. And, of course, I am thankful that you would have it delivered to the academy for me. Even so, I must beg that you allow me to continue operating our ancestor's BattleMech while I continue my studies at Kapteyn.
Dullahan deserves more than to waste away as a glorified statue. It is a relic of the Star League, proof of what the Inner Sphere could become again. Restoring the Lostech it once carried is still years away from feasibility, and it may never again bear its Royal configuration. Yet Dullahan is still a Shadow Hawk, the hero of countless stories you told me as a child. Please, allow me to add to its legacy.

Your child,
Morgan

>>98473834
To be fair, going from his Fire Javelin to a Charger could very easily be a downgrade. You haven't specified the version so it could easily be a 1A1 rather than the extremely new 3034 1A9 (and I doubt its gonna be a decade early prototype 3K) and going from 4 Mediums with higher speed to 5 Smalls would hurt.

Compared to the Locust 1V's 1 Medium and 2 Machine Guns with that very explosive full ton of ammo, the 1A1 5 Smalls is far more reasonably arguable as an upgrade.

>>98474108
Let me clarify here then. The Charger is absolutely going to be a 1A1.

>>98474116
I hope you give the anon a hachimaki to go with it.

What's the deal with experimental mechs "downgrading" to advanced or standard/TL status? TRO 3145 gives a chart for some equipment but otherwise, do you just need to wait and hope that CGL publishes a record sheet that lists it as such?

It's relevant because a lot of people refuse to play against experimental mechs.
Wondering if experimental mechs from TRO 3055 ever become more useable in later eras. It seems like many of these shouldn't be experimental by 3067 and beyond.

>>98474476
That is a good question and was brought up heavily in the mech industrial thread. I think its trying to fix the problem where things are being classed as experimental when they clearly aren't i.e. x-pulses during FedCom Civil War which are being used on the frontlines but because they are faction exclusive get treated as experimental tech.

>>98474476
>TRO 3145
Speaking of which, Snord's copy is missing those pages. His version cuts off at page 207 of 226
If he's around, are the missing pages just stored separately or does he need a better copy?

>>98474476
>It's relevant because a lot of people refuse to play against experimental mechs.
Oh no! This Super Wasp has... two medium lasers!

>>98474577
Makes sense if you're like a 40k refugee who thinks you need strict limits on what are and aren't allowed. For normal people though, yeah there's some standard tech mechs I'd be reluctantly to play against, and plenty of full custom mechs I have played against which were fun.

On the topic of the Super Wasp I wish more Super Mechs were a thing. Just scale them up and buff their lethality accordingly like with the F/A-18 Super Hornet vs the F-18 Hornet. I would love to see a Super Shadow Hawk besides clantech upgrades.

>>98474667
>On the topic of the Super Wasp I wish more Super Mechs were a thing. Just scale them up and buff their lethality accordingly like with the F/A-18 Super Hornet vs the F-18 Hornet.
You could make an argument that a few do show up during the Clan Invasion. Aside from the omni Blackjack and Firestarter there is also a 55 ton Centurions and 70 ton Jagermechs that appear.

>>98474507
>and was brought up heavily in the mech industrial thread
link?
tried some quick searching on the OF and found nothing. Was it something talked about here?

Rolled 5, 6, 4, 3 = 18 (4d6)

>>98473490
Who needs guns anyway?

>>98474681
Plus you've got the venom which is just a +5 ton spider variant

>>98474689
Archive but still readable
>>98347163

>>98474476
It's an awkward attempt to combine rules and fluff. From the fluff side it makes sense, things that used to be bespoke, hand crafted experiments made by scientists at a top technical institute and only installed on the most trustworthy units become things churned out by factories across all of known space and available on the open market.
But from the rules side it doesn't really make that much sense. It hasn't gotten any more or less complicated just because you've decided to abide by the fluff and moved into a later era with more stuff available.

>>98474695
3/4? Sweet, but I guess I'm done upgrading my stats for the rest of the scenarios.
Also, I'm keeping the Locust unless they're offering to trade it for something better that I get to own outright. I kinda doubt they're going to do that, so 3V it is.

Rolled 2, 5, 3, 6 = 16 (4d6)

>>98473490
>hard carry the team
>last to fall
>get demoted because Comstar wont call the match
Well no said life in the CCAF was fair

Rolled 444, 908, 262, 155, 490, 821 = 3080 (6d1000)

>>98473490
>>98474871
Fitting, a solid 3/4. He really spends the the next year back at his unit improving his piloting.

Lets see what shit box he gets to replace his sick ride with.

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>>98474907
>Wolverine? Trebuchet? Nope, Stinger 3R
>demoted to bug mech
End me now.

At least it has jump jets and can't overheat.

>>98474476
>>98474728
CGL seems uninterested in maintaining the whoel Rules Level thing, having gone for a more simple Introductory Rules / Everything Else mix. Probably a good call.

>>98474667
The whole point of having factions is to be able to tell people what is and isn't allowed in their army lists. If you're playing Davion then no, you can't field Panthers. Just like if we were playing a WW2 game and you were playing Americans, then no you can't have Panthers. A game that doesn't restrict your unit choices based on your faction isn't a legitimate game.

>>98474681
>omni Blackjack and Firestarter there is also a 55 ton Centurions and 70 ton Jagermechs that appear.
None of these are available during the Clan Invasion.

>>98475000
Captured tanks got used all the time in WW2

>>98475017
Don't feed the weirdo (You)s

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>>98473375
>Orange Scorpion Light Tank has been destroyed.
Tennouheika Banzai!

>>98475005
Clan Invasion era is 3050 to 3061?

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>>98473490
I'm fixing to go to work, but I'll make my rolls tonight when I get back.

>>98475000
Panthers are on the Davion faction MUL. And are an allowed selection in the Davion Force Manual.

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>>98475000
You sure about that?

>>98475087
Cheating

>>98475074
They are even in some RATs for IS general and Davion specific. Panthers really got around during the Succession Wars.

The Trebuchet 7K is growing on me for the BV.

>>98469373

Anyone confirmed the Anon actually uploaded a PDF of the Core rules to the trove? Or are we all waiting for Cranston to wake up from his slumber to push the button?

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>>98475196
I know right? Who ever heard of people using equipment captured from the other side?

>>98475000
The thing about Battletech is that virtually every faction was part of the same galaxy-spanning superstate at one point, so of course there's going to be a lot of overlap in their equipment. Think of it like the Yugoslavian Wars, where most battles had both sides shooting at each other with AKs.

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Rolled 3, 5, 3, 5 = 16 (4d6)

>>98473490
Very pleased with how Nacho's performance came out. It looks like The Dragon will likewise be very happy with the performance of it's team.

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>>98475219
>Think of it like the Yugoslavian Wars
I always do!

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I'm pretty new to BattleTech but I'm trying to put together a mercenary band, but I'm not sure sure what to use for that ragtag/whatever works feel
What are some of the most common mech designs? Can mercs maintain clan tech if they loot it or is it not even worth the trouble?

>>98475237
>I'm trying to put together a mercenary band, but I'm not sure sure what to use for that ragtag/whatever works feel
Really isn't nothing to stop you including whatever you feel like. There are RATs for if you are stuck for ideas and want to roll for a specific theme. Just don't try to be that guy who wants to run Hunchback C's in the IS in 3025.
>What are some of the most common mech designs?
Anything with the ubiquitous quirk.
>Can mercs maintain clan tech if they loot it or is it not even worth the trouble?
They can but depends on the era and what narrative you want to go with. Early Clan Invasion era they're more likely to sell it since a single Clan ER PPC would arguably buy you an entire new mech. By FedCom its more available and if you got the money and connections you can typically buy it.

>>98475237
Nothing really stops you from doing whatever, just try to consider the person on the other side of the table and dont be that guy.

>>98475286
Nothing stops you from running ryokens, warhawks, and timberwolves either, and you're not being that guy, just being lore accurate.

>>98475237
I would recommend getting the A Game of Armored combat box. All those mechs are good for mercs and available to basically everyone.

>>98475269
>>98475286
Yeah I was asking because I'm not really sure what thatguy really means quite yet. I'm not too worried about it though as I want my mechs to be rustbuckets
>>98475315
This looks solid, I'll probably end up doing this

>>98475488
That Guy, proper noun. As in oh, it's That Guy. Don't let yourself be That Guy for other people if you want games.

>>98475488
"That Guy" can also be referred to as "That Asshole"

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To Anon who was having trouble with the metal minis: get this shit, or the Tamiya bottle with brush.

>>98475488
So, a thing to understand: Battletech is something of a toolbox to make your own fun. Compared to other wargames, there's less of a shared foundation between two players who don't know each other. This means that when you play with someone, you've gotta figure out a way for you and your opponent to both have fun.

A good example: Battletech has rules for using custom battlemechs that don't exist in canon. Some people think this is cool and fun. Others hate using custom mechs.

Doing things that are fun for you but not your opponent is a way to be classed as That Guy, which will quickly have other people decide not to play with you.

>>98475237
>What are some of the most common mech designs?
Depends on the era and the factions find yourself working for, but the mainstay introtech mediums (phoenix hawk, shadow hawk, griffin, wolverine) remain popular through the ages, bug mechs (locust, wasp, and stinger) are easy to get, and as far as heavies go Archer is popular, and Victor and Awesome are two of the most widespread assault mechs. Masterunit list and the random assignment tables are good places to look for ideas.

>Can mercs maintain clan tech if they loot it or is it not even worth the trouble?
Mostly yes, a bigger issue is new parts. Fixing a Dire Wolf for example isn't particularly hard, but if say a clan PPC or laser is destroyed you'll have a relatively hard time sourcing a new weapon.

Overall it's up to you exactly how you want your Mercs to feel, they range from larger and more disciplined outfits like the Eridani Light Horse and Northwind Highlanders down to Fox Patrol (sue me, it's the first lance sized outfit I could think of) composed of four dudes with mechs and a few support staff. Obviously if your outfit can field multiple regiments acquiring entire lances or battalions of assault mechs of relatively rare designs is easy while with just a lance of random jackoffs you probably have two guys with ship of Theseus mechs dating to the Star League, a guy who dug up a mech that sank in a swamp and drowned its pilot, and a random outlaw in a barely running locust.

>>98475219
They also more-or-less have the same tech base, with even Clantech only really being just a little bit more advanced rather than something that is massively brand new, and there are some pretty high tolerances for what you are able to get away with when it comes to their military tech.

The factions are not really "what is or isn't allowed" as >>98475000 put it. It's moreso telling what the most common and standardized equipment is. Non-standard is perfectly fine, you just need a quick justification like battlefield salvage/capture and also want to keep stuff like Intro Date/Extinction Date/If Unique or Experimental in mind for further justifications.

Can you use Battlefield Support cards for artillery and air strikes and have artillery vehicle and aircraft minis on the board at the same time, or is it one or the other?

A lot of anons are going spill ink telling you "it depends" but a good new player mech available in every era with a shit load of variants that will do something you like is the Thunderbolt. It is a solid trooper mech with almost max armor, good weapons for almost any situation and it can generate enough heat to make learn to manage it but can still sink enough to fire cool guns.

>>98475738
I don't see why not. I get the sense that they're intended for people wanting different degrees of abstraction, but there's no stipulation I can find prohibiting their mixing. Might be different in the new rulebook though.

>>98475738
AFAIK there's no rule against having them mixed but it could get confusing. For the rule packet I'm working on I do the following:
Artillery Strikes are done using BSP, but you have to have a vehicle with the correct artillery cannon in your force's TOE to take them.
Air Strike BSPs are verboten, we use the Aerospace BSP rules instead for them.

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>>98475776
Sure but the same could be said for plenty of mechs. If he has a specific idea in mind one could recommend stuff, after all 90% of introtech mechs have variants up into the ilclan era, if he gets shadow hawk or centurion or vindicator or victor or awesome or ostroc or ostol he won't be getting something he can't use in certain eras, and several of those mechs have more versatility when one considers variants, like post-helm centurions being phoenix hawk speed heavy scouts or the victor having AC/20, UAC/20, and gauss variants.

Really the main thing to consider is if he has a current direction. Does he want mechs that literally anyone can scrounge up? Does he like faster or slower mechs? Does he want his mercs to prefer a certain faction as employers?

>>98475738
No one can tell you how to play with your toy soldiers. However, I'd recommend one or the other to avoid confusion.

>>98475804
What's your rule packet for?

>>98476023
Planning on running a campaign locally. I like a lot of the campaign ops stuff but I know for sure the locals are going to have their eyes glaze over at most of the accounttech stuff; so I'm trying to grind off the edges on force management to fit into the more abstracted Chaos Campaign stuff.

Things like pre-converting Cbill costs to SP and measuring refit and repair on missions played instead of a strict calendar. I haven't touched it in a minute, but I have the latest version here.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q8eTOzN8kS0qJecuh8UfhJzJjDWaOef81ToHnqnJEkw/edit?usp=sharing

>>98475976
(ER)PPC with heat sinks

>>98475976
Normally the 15s, but if I'm doing alt ammo I do love me a mine field and 20s are bigger.

>>98475976
MRM30's w/Apollo

>>98475804
>Air Strike BSPs are verboten, we use the Aerospace BSP rules instead for them.
What makes the Air Strike ones so bad?

>>98476196
NTA, but we used it for a campaign where each player got 12 airstrike BSP per aero bay they had access to and it basically shook out that they either did nothing because both players could easily fund interceptors and the roll to block a bomb was trivial, or one player had airstrikes and the other player had their thumb up their ass and got to watch their light units eat shit.

>>98476196
Nothing is wrong with them; they'll just be a confusing mix if you run them with the BSP Aerospace. If someone took a bunch of strafing runs they'd work rules wise as always, but if someone then took a BSP interceptor they wouldn't be able to chase/shoot the invisible planes making these attack runs.

>>98475998
>Centurion
>that side torso with 13 armor and a 100% chance to explode the mech
Terrible newbie mech. The Thunderbolt is tough enough to make mistakes and teaches just about every rule you need to learn when playing the game except jump jets but there are versions with those too

>>98475202
As the ancient internet sages teach us 'pics or it never happened'. And the PDF isn't available until at least October per Catalyst

>>98476296
There were minis from them getting passed out at the con a week or so ago. The rest of the boxes were trashed, so someone could have dumpster dived one to scan.

>>98476277
CN9-AL has 17 side armor, but more to the point they're introtech variants are about or under 1000 BV and well armed for their weight and price. Hell the CN9-AH has the same armament as the TDS-5D despite being about 300 BV cheaper and 15 tons lighter. Also most Centurion variants are nearly heat neutral making them far more forgiving to play.

Either way I wouldn't recommend a specific mech because he should make his starting lance based on what mechs he finds cool for one reason or another.

Besides if we're talking heavy mechs Ostroc blows the Thunderbolt out of the water.

>>98475606
Thanks for this. Snagged the last bottles in my area

>>98473396
So why DFA here skill 6 instead of landing next him, blasting him with machine guns and kicking him so he falls over?

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Had my first attempt at the clanner RP where my character didn't die in their trial of position or first battle
>Rolled Clan Wolf (I did only roll on invader clans), rolled Winson-Kerensky sibko
>2/4 pilot
>Passed trial of position, three kills (two of which I nearly actually killed) straight to star captain
>Just chose a unit, 7th battle cluster leading a trinary of mechs
>First battle was Battle of Crellacor, fighting the Third Oberon Guards
>Rolled opfor size and ran my medium weight trinary straight into a heavy battlemech battalion
>Led my star against a veteran company of heavy mechs in a town
>Surprisingly successful fight despite close quarters, one mech lost, no deaths

Did add a bit of fluff based on what happened, company commander started retreating but for some reason turned around when my mechs approached one of his downed subordinates, fought a 1v4 battle in a Phoenix Hawk PKH-1 against clanners and lasted four rounds before his head was shot, his fusion engine detonated, and he auto ejected alive, but having taken 5 hits (I'd say crippled). Decided to fluff it up a little, pilot was captain was attempting to rescue his lover hence the retarded 1v4 he engaged in and my star captain took him and his girl as bondsmen out of respect. He can be an advisor or some shit and his girl can work in the mechbays.

Forgot to save pics of the battle but here's what's left of my star plus the two bondsmen after the battle.

Gonna have computer vs computer for remaining two stars fighting their own companies. I expect them to die horribly.

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>>98473348
Just wanted to say, thanks for gathering this all up! Was a fun read through, and very comprehensive. I'll be looking forward to the next round at this crazy school.

>>98476296
The PDF is definitely out there. I got it from a different source already.

>>98476196
The big problems were
>A 1/3 chance to hit the rear arc on a target
>Ignores TMM
This meant they were basically non-interactive and not very fun. So the BSP Aerospace rules were made to be more fun alternatives

>>98476747
I'll believe it when I see it.
Post it somewhere like gofile for everyone.

>Clan LRMs work in all ranges
>They still use SRMs
Huh?

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>>98477147
Lol. Lmao even.

>>98477154
SRMs are more weight and crit efficient, and better at actually killing things instead of wearing them down.

>>98477166
LRMs have more missiles per ton and crit which means more chances to get a crit. Ironically clan LRMs make a good secondary weapon for finishing off mechs whose armor you already eroded.

>>98477189
Lrm 20 can do 4 clusters max. Srm6 can do 6 clusters max?

>>98477165
Either upload it or quit waving your tiny dick around. Nobody likes the whole "tee-hee look what i have but you can't" pretty-princess routine

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>>98477234
I like it

Rolled 6, 4, 4, 2 = 16 (4d6)

>>98473490
Rolling for improvement(?)

Rolled 144, 599 = 743 (2d1000)

>>98473490
>>98477246
Looking for better(?) Mech

Rolled 36, 159 = 195 (2d1000)

>>98477256
>Locust
Ok, trying that again.

>>98475998
You hit the nail on the head really, I was looking for mechs that really any faction could scrounge up
>>98475776
>>98476023
The Thunderbolt is also just gorgeous on top of seeming great stat wise

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>>98473490
This semester I will get it together!

>>98477263
>>98477256
If I'm reading the charts right, then if I change my mech I get something worse; so I'll stick with the wolverine unless One of those rolls got me something better

Rolled 6, 1, 5, 3 = 15 (4d6)

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>>98473490
>>98477281
If I am reading this correctly, Ayumu moved from Green to Regular and is now a 3/5. Her experience with piloting made her a little better, but destroying that tank has awakened her bloodlust.

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>>98477264
Thunderbolts always seem really boring to me. The only thing they ever seem to do with variants is adjust the levels on LRMs, basic energy weapons, and jump jets. There's one variant that shook things up with an AC/20, but even the later variants are just adding prefixes to their PPCs and fucking around with iJJs.

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>>98477335
Everything a 65-tonner should be.

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>>98477339
Thunderbolt, my beloved...

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>>98477335

The IS LPL seems undercosted>>98473336
in bv

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>Hey, Captain Anon, I know you have like 2 lances of lights/mediums, but would you mind fighting an Overlord for me? Kthksbye
Working for Capellans: NOT. EVEN. ONCE.

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>>98477335
T-Bolts are generally just reliable trooper 'mechs, and it's okay to be the foundation of your lance sometimes. I do agree that the variants need to be more diverse for the chassis, Project Phoenix added some very cool ones like the NAIS (And the Wolf's Dragoons 9W is incredibly efficient) but there's still loads of design space that could be used, like Thunderbolt launchers or MRMs. (I like MRMs, I wish more 'mechs had them after the 3050 TROs!)

A lot of this is biased as the T-Bolt was the very first mini I ever got of Battletech, but at the same time it's served me well.

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>>98475976

LRM-20 with Artemis-V

...guys, the Mad Cat III is secretly REALLY good for a Medium. Hell, the X model is literally made for the Inner Sphere market as well so it's not even weird for Mercs to have one.

>>98477454
Usually it feels overcosted to me because you can rarely get into range where it would hit any better than a regular LL. The exception being fast mechs with jump jets, which can get into short range in the enemy's rear and use the pulse bonus to negate most of the TN penalty for jumping.

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Apparently the events of Oishinbo are part of the BT Timeline.

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>>98477690
what is a T Bolt but A bigger griffin? its griffinitude is WHY the tbolt is great. Big energy gun, missile pack. good armour and decent mobility.

hell the best introtech heavy, the tdr 5se, is just a 65 t griffin.

and since the lyrans are making ilclan versions of 'their' totem mechs now, like the crusader and banshee and zleus etc. we should by all rights, have one of those ex-clanmech lines running off some kind of tdr c4 (since there are a c and other c's already) that use cxlfe, c endo, etc to duplicate the og tdr big energy gun (clan) three back up lasers ( clan ) and a fat LRM toob (clan) and maybe bump the 65 tonner up to 5/8/5 or at least ALSO 4/6/4 so it can be the purest expression of tbolty goodness it can be, cheating like a motherfucker with clantech. so players can then go and wipe out clanner scum with their tbolt that is bleeding edge fuckawesome.

plus, its just so classy and cool.


hell, the goddamn suns get a clantech gun fucking jaegermech which fucks. the kuritans have their clantech mauler. the full clantech grand dragon.

but the poor humble tbolt left behind? BOOOOOOOO!

>Be me
>Go to post something elsewhere on 4chan
>See post appear
>See username... Hob "Hobby" Hobertson
>Delete post and repost as anonymous, thankful no one saw
How do the regular namefags do it? I feel weird about having my pilot's name listed here even and that's just for the Kapteyn Academy Games.
Anyway, had a great day yesterday after the initial posting and I see I've got quite a bit of updating to get around to now.
>>98474871
>>98474907
>>98474964
Sorry William. I saw in the past few topics you liking the previews of how McCormick was doing and I already knew how it was ending for him. I will clarify for you, William McCormick is not demoted to a bugmech. Those rolls were just to see if you could get something better than your demoted mech. William has been demoted to the Valkyrie that the Capellan Confederation has available to them and Vladimir Ignatyev is demoted from the Valkyrie to the Wasp that Eleanor had been piloting. So yes, you've got a downgrade, but not nearly as much as you thought. I'm sure William will still be able to sling some LRMs down the battlefield in year 2. Then in year 3... well, who knows how the factions will feel about the mechs.
>>98475042
She fumbled and bumbled around a lot, but she at least went out crushing a tank.
>>98475232
Ignacio is upgrading himself to a 4/4. He ties with Marik for eligibility of the Charger. Is Ignacio interested in getting the Charger or does he want to stick with his Blackjack?
>>98476472
What are you asking here? Are you asking why I had William do a DFA? Because they're super cool and I will always do a DFA on an immobile target in range.
>>98476725
You're welcome! I'm glad that some people enjoyed it. I did all this prep and then sometimes you barely even get a comment from the same people that rolled pilots and you wonder if they cared. I understand that it's the weekend and people are busy. It may take time for some to even see the BatRep. I'm glad you had a good time reading about the battle.

>>98477246
>>98477256
>>98477263
>>98477274
The mech rolls are for the possibility of improvement and for Shiloh, that's a no go. She'll be sticking with her tried and true Wolverine. I see she's gotten serious about her training though and has gone from a 5/6 to a 3/5. She's going to be dangerous in the next battle.
>>98477270
We shall see Banana Bread.
>>98477301
And so she did! From a 6/6 to a 3/5 in a single year! Truly the training methods at Kapteyn Academy get results!
>Current Updated Roster
Morgan Munroe 4/5, Shadow Hawk SHD-2H
Igzael Antwerp-Jones 3/4, Locust LCT-3V
Ayumu "Banana Bread" Jones 3/5, Quickdraw QKD-4G
Hob "Hobby" Hobertson 3/4, Javelin JVN-10F
Rebecca Buck 4/6, Crusader CRD-3R
Shiloh Verkler 3/5, Wolverine WVR-6R
Eleanor Gale 2/4, Highlander, HGN-733P
William McCormick 3/4, Valkyrie VLK-QA
Wang Lee 4/6, Spider, SDR-5V
>Undecided who will get the Charger, CGR-1A1
Ignacio Nachomura 4/4, Blackjack BJ-1
Ishtar Marik 4/4, Locust LCT-3V
>Pilot anons who have yet to appear and roll
Janusz Kotow 4/5, Orion ON1-VA
Obal Moriancumer 5/6, Warhammer WHM-6R
Tetsuo Puentealto 3/5, Phoenix Hawk PXH-1
Bob Denard 4/5, Wasp WSP-1A
Vladimir Ignatyev 6/7, Wasp WSP-1A

And that is where we're currently at.

>>98477264
Well sounds like despite my misgivings a thunderbolt is a good core of your lance. Ultimately what matters most is what you like. If you want heavy firepower, mobility, or a cohesive aesthetic (all chicken walkers, all humanoid, bulky and brutish, sleek and modern) you can find something mostly universally available to use. Hell for mercs even a number of clan mechs are listed under Mercs as early as the Fedcom civil war and by the time of the Ilclan it's pretty easy to source the vast majority of mechs unless they're specifically some iconic top of the line mech for a faction (Templar III is mostly Davion specific, Hauptmann is pretty much just Lyran, a lot of the later Jade Falcon mechs with partial wings and talons).

>>98477940
There's a late tbolt all clan stuff. It's just as amazing as you think. I'm tired and don't havemy stuff on hand but 11R or some shit?

Total T bolt respect. It's one of my fav mechs for looks, play and style. Everything about it kicks ass.

When I started playing 30 years ago it kinda irked me how no min maxed where a thing. But damn it's a great mech.

>>98478331
Even in /btg/ I post with my name off way more than on.

>>98478367
>Who will get a Charger
Black Jack would remain in the Blackjack if it were up to me but I am not the anon who came up with that character.

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>yfw you've mixed so many different reds for your Sword of Light unit trying to be happy with it that you never want to paint red again
>cook up a scheme to pivot to Ryuken-roku next
>Ryuken-roku accents their 'mechs in red
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>98478331
Well at least he can put his piloting to use after the LRM ammo runs out.

Something about the wasp that confuses me is why it has so may heatsinks but only sinks 11 heat. I thought standard engines included 10 for free.

>>98479540
>I thought standard engines included 10 for free.
Not always. There's "no weight" and "no crits". You get 10 sinks for "no weight", but "no crits" scales to engine size, and the Wasp only has 4 of those.

>>98479597
Naruhodo.

>>98477366
>9 hex range
>6 running
Just kite it. Who would pay nearly 1500 BV for this dogshit?

>>98479673
Could you just say you've never played introtech before?

>>98477940
i just think they're neat

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>>98479808
Hard countered

>>98475065
Clan invasion is 3049-3052.

I just thought of a near mechanic. What if the hotter a mech gets, the more heat flamers deal in exchange for dumping some heat when used?

>>98480095
You mean turning flamers into coolant pods that can do damage?

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Which era balances how interesting the tech is vs how interesting the setting is for the RPG? I played mostly late succession wars into clan invasion so here are my thoughts:
>succession wars an interesting background but the best tech being some occasional SLDF cache makes upgrading your mech unexciting and people focus on just getting heavier mechs
>clan invasion becomes slightly less interesting plot wise to me, but clan tech and some IS prototype tech become cool loot for players to seek out as an incentive, making upgrading interesting
>civil war might be interesting if we reach it, best tech and a lot of intrigue in the meta plot, especially when compared to the clan invasion
>jihad and dark ages sound boring plot-wise but tech gets better
>ilclan I know little to nothing about?

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>>98480022

>>98479980
That thing is downright scary with quirks being used. I really want to get a full Ost squad going at somepoint.

>>98480300
Ilclan could be fun because it's absolute chaos.
>Clan Wolf is only the Ilclan in name, several clans don't acknowledge them and are a actively hostile
>Falcons are badly overextended and getting raped by the Heck Ponies
>Lyrans were mauled by the Falcons and Wolves but their enemies have little means to stop counterattacks
>Cappies and League are dealing with the Ilclan but are in a pretty solid position
>Ghost Bear just had a war but is rearing up for war with the Combine who just genocided a clan
>Combine is the most united it's been in a long time and while they lost a lot of troops losing the Dragon's Tongue Suns are too bloodied and exhausted to push much
>Fedsuns are mostly bled out but otherwise in decent shape, with both Combine and Cappies distracted with bigger threats

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>>98480300
Try the Periphery during the Civil War era in particular the New Colony Region. Whole area was more or less tailor made for an RPG adventure in mind with plenty of interesting factions and access to newer tech.

>>98475000
>A game that doesn't restrict your unit choices based on your faction isn't a legitimate game
says who? sounds like you been sucking on gwens titties for too long
>army list
4-6 mechs hardly constitutes an army

if you wanna do a super lore accurate force you can, but no-ones forcing you to do so.

>>98478672
The mechs of the dragon must be coated in the blood of their enemies, it is the way of things!

is there a general for mechwarrior?

>>98480459
Catgirls and dinosaurs huh? Bro knows what he likes.

>>98480556
The RPG? No. Even less people played that than did Aerotech.

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>>98480300
>>98480380
To add to that
The former Jade Falcon occupation zone is in a state of chaos since they made the dash for Earth.
The Lyrans are bankrupt and really up shit creek and desperate, with breakaway states happening.
The Wolf Empire that sits between them and the FWL is barely anything, being full of children and old men units and locals that hate each other.
The FWL is run by an utter incompetent.
The alliance between the MoC and Capellans is falling the fuck apart.

A lot of what's been happening has been to have less big grand campaign type events, and more ongoing chaos across a wide area type events that both really lends itself well to players fucking about in them doing their thing and also trying to dig the setting out of the hole that was dug by the Dark Ages crap. They've pruned a good few factions along the way (very unfortunately in some cases but largely dictated by the Dark Age crap and where it was driving everything iirc), but have added in more. And they've managed to take the clans that are left and made them more distinct. Some shit is retarded and shouldn't have happened, some shit was retarded and they had to retcon it into making more sense after the fact because it was so badly received, and a surprising amount has been is pretty good to great. Like even the ilclan thing itself is playing out in an interesting way because I think CGL has realised its not the '90s and nearly everyone under 50+ thinks clan wolf are just boring cunts, so they're being the baddies really.

>>98480165
Yeah. Honestly dont know why that isnt a thing already.

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>>98478331
>>98478367
Much as I want to be greedy and nab that Charger, I'll have it so Ignacio chooses to let Marik "get a little taste of the glory". No point letting all that training go to waste. Besides, he put out good work in the Blackjack, so there's always next year.

>>98480380
>IIRC the only Clan openly hostile to the Wolf was the Horses, while the Fox and Raven trying to be power behind the throne.
Also, Daoshen got stabbed... I mean orbital bombarded to ascension and the Andurien is backstabbing the Cappies

>>98479980
cool you WAAC a mech. It's better.

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Had Saturday night BT at a friend's place. Taught a brand new player and 3 half-new ones. Simple 2v2 deathmatch. Followed an anon's advice and used these teams:
>Shadow Hawk, vet pilot
>Hunchback
vs
>Wolverine
>Griffin
I assisted with onboarding the newbie and answering any questions people had. I explained what all the mechs were about, which ones liked to stay at what ranges, let them choose which one they wanted, and we were off. I forgot to bring a Griffin mini so I had a Beemer as a proxy.

The Griffin pilot SEVERELY fucked up by getting too far from his teammate and letting the Hunchback close the distance. This led to a hilarious and horrifying brutal beatdown where the Hunchie just went to town on its ass, TAC's included. AC/20 was hungry for blood and kept hitting and hitting, it was a sight to behold. The last thing the Griffin managed to do from the floor after getting a leg disabled, as a "If I'm Going Down, I'm Taking You With Me" was, nailing the Shadow Hawk with a PPC shot in the rear, getting two TACs to the engine. The Hunchie then executed it with an ammo bin crit.

The Shadow Hawk pilot tried to DFA the Wolverine while it was in Depth 1 water. He missed, and upon automatically falling had its center torso flooded with water (as far as I'm aware this is how it works, right? both front and rear armor breaches count when prone underwater?). It turned into a 1v1 between the Wolverine and the Hunchback. The Wolverine landed a DFA on the Hunchback and nailed it on the head with 10 damage. After that, the Wolverine charged at the Hunchback. The Hunchback managed to nail it with its AC20, causing it to fail its 20dmg PSR and falling down in its charge.

Brutal display. I'm so glad the newbie was playing that Hunchback, he came away delighted with the game.

One note about this approach is that wowee it took entirely too long. I don't want to do deathmatches anymore after trying objective-based games. Even with Forced Withdrawal

>>98480847
And yes I know I need to make those popsicle sticks nicer so they don't have splinters etc okay I haven't gotten around to it

>>98480745
>Try to show off an OP mech
>Worse than any 5 hex jump mech or 6 speed walk mech with 2 large lasers or one PPC
Medium lasers are only efficient on platforms fast enough to bring them to bear. The reason the king crab is shit despite two AC/20s is because you'll never get close enough to use them, and this mech has the same issue.

>>98478331
>sometimes you barely even get a comment from the same people that rolled pilots and you wonder if they cared
I enjoy these things and appreciate you for putting all this effort in.

Can someone talk to me about Davion Green. Can I just use some WWII forces paint like Russian Green or Command Green etc

>>98481118
Yes, that'll be fine.

>>98481118
Vallejo olive green looks close

>>98480022
>>98480309
Cool, whats the era that was called between that and the Civil War.

I'll wait.

>>98480022
>>98480309
Making the Invasion end with the annihilation of the Smoke Jaguars makes sense because that's when the Clans really admitted the invasion was over.

>>98481009
Sounds like you don't play with enough objectives.

>>98481009
I don't know how big of the map you play with, but from my experiences 99% of the times Introtech games ended up in mech-kickboxing

>>98481224
>Sit on objective with no weapons able to harm enemies
>Get shot to pieces and can't leave objective while you're outranged by heavy mechs with more than one large laser.

But if we want to ignore the option of simply kiting take a Warhammer WHM-6D
>Same mobility
>Slightly more armor
>Two PPCs (can sit on objective and shoot enemies with no concerns of being shot with impunity)
>2 Medium and 2 small lasers for up close
>24 more BV
I'd gladly trade 24 BV and 6 medium lasers for 2 PPCs and 2 small lasers on a 4/6 platform. Brawler heavies are already generally a bad proposition, but when their damage is distributed you can't even have the chance of going internal in one shot against lighter mechs like with an AC/20.

Hell here's another example
>Charger CGR-1A5
>Same movement
>Better armor
>More alpha strike damage
>More single location hit damage
>21 more BV
You can't use that large laser range which wasn't contributing much anyway but you can strip the center torso armor of a griffin in one shot.

I guess it's okay if you like an introtech brawler, but really it's nothing special. Even if I wanted to spam medium lasers on a heavy mech I'd take a Viper VP-5. Jump capable, significantly better armored, and two large lasers for flexibility.

>>98481009
The main point of a King Crab, and to a lesser extent designs like the Awesome, is to project a bubble where the enemy does not want to be. Nobody wants to be in a clear sight line to an Awesome, so they'll waste time and maybe position themselves worse against your faster units so they aren't giving it a clean shot. I've had games where those big fat brick mechs barely even did anything because nobody approached them. But that means nobody approached anything near them either, including good terrain to stage backstabs from and objectives.

>>98481359
I'd argue the Awesome is just a good mech because said bubble is so massive and often unavoidable due to the range. While I have seen King Crabs accomplish stuff in that manner I wouldn't say it's particularly effective unless your opponent is stupid or your lance works really well.

>>98481394
You should definitely be playing more objective based games. Short ranged dangerous mechs in general need the option to force the enemy into their range, else they get kited forever.

>>98481407
Also turn limits. You can't kite it forever when you don't have forever.

>>98481415
This. The average game is done due to the combatants killing each other by turn 10 or 12, so your turn timer should be less than that so that objectives matter. Otherwise, you can safely ignore them just to kill.

>>98481407
Ac20 carriers in general. Especailly cuac20 carriers.

Every gausszilla and Pepsi tard laughs until they HAVE to come within range of cuac20 rape in order to conest the objective that's in cover out of their 'hide in a corner' LoS fuckery.

I feel like there's a greater gap between these
>BT enjoyers who exclusively play meeting engagements and slog through it for hours and hours and hours well-past anything meaningful happening at the table
>BT enjoyers who play small objective games and are done with the affair in 2 hours tops
than between BT players and alpha strike players

>>98481407
While I do play objective games I often find it feels artificial outside of something like a specific mobile objective or attack/defend objective, you won because you were standing at a specific location. However more to the point short range for an AC/20 or medium laser is 3 hexes. That's essentially the point of getting kicked in the shins by a locust if not that turn than next turn, a PPC is at short range just as an AC/20 or medium laser is hitting medium range.

>>98481428
Such objectives as
'get to the enemy spy safe house and dump infantry/power armour into it before they wipe their hard drives and clear out'
or
'get to the hidden power generator hidden in the city amd wipe it out before it completes the power up cycle on the twenty billion turrets your ally is going to face in their attack if you fail'

Etc. Shit you would buy deniable ops such as mercs for.

>>98481431
It's funny how that second category has almost entirely emerged since Instant Action got put out.

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>>98481431
The magic of BT as a whole is how it scales to your autism, and it scales towards increased simulational fidelity. Breaking out of the 4v4 Final Destination 'Mechs only mindset and trying to replicate the circumstances under which 'Mechs fight in-universe is a titanic shift that really brings a lot of the "why does this exist" designs to life.

>>98481444
BT could use more things like Instant Action. CGL was right to include a way to roll random scenarios in the core rulebook. Always want to see more of that stuff. It's very good for when your playgroup hasn't reached the "I want to play historical battles from sourcebooks" or the "game master meticulously crafts a bespoke mission for the group" levels
>>98481453
I enthusiastically agree. It's also why I really want to introduce non-mech units to my friend group soon

>>98481436
More just that they're not arbitrary.
>You're conducting a rearguard action to allow your regiment to escape, hold the star port (misc urban buildings) until the last regular shuttle leaves and your shuttle is ready to be boarded/overrun the space port before the evacuation can complete
>High value target is hiding in this safe house, blow it up before he can be safely evacuated by enemy mechs or kill him before he's evacuated/drive off the raiders or rescue and evacuate him
>Your faction's leader (Coordinator/First Prince/Khan/Mercenary regiment Colonel) has had his mech destroyed, secure the wreckage and either evacuate him or hold on until we can get a drop ship over there/capture the wreakage or kill him inside his crippled mech
Honestly some variant of king of the hill or capture the flag are the best objective types

>>98481485
>some variant of king of the hill or capture the flag are the best objective types
My problems with CTF are these
>If jumping makes you drop the flag, justify why that is
>If jumping doesn't make you drop the flag, then the whole game revolves around jumpy mechs which limits variety

>>98481519
Depends on the flag
>Be dude grabbed by mech and held in its hands
>Suddenly the mech takes off and you don't have a seatbelt
>Smash your head against one of the mech's hands and get a concussion
Could also keep it as an emergency option
>High value target is an unwounded pilot
>Takes 1 hit each time you jump
>4-5 hits it's an tie for the defender even if he's evacuated
>6 hits he dies and defender automatically loses

"Good job, you saved the Coordinator. Unfortunately he will never walk again. Here is your katana... I'm sure you know what to do."

>>98481541
Good ideas here, thanks

I also have a problem with single-hex capture objectives. It's something I brought up maybe a few threads ago. The suggested solution was just "don't have single-hex capture objectives" to which my answer is "ok but i wanna"

The problem is: since DFA is guaranteed to make the attacker move to the target hex (fallen if missing, standing if successful) and displaces the defender (who dodged in case of a miss, or got pushed in case of a non-destruction hit), then parking a unit by the hex against a jump-capable unit is completely ineffectual

My suggested solution to this is making it so that fallen units can't capture objectives—so if a mech DFA's a unit parked on the hex and misses, it will occupy the obj hex but since it fell it won't be able to claim it that turn. Haven't playtested this yet

>>98481568
I means seems reasonable enough. One objective I like is destructible objectives like the mech warrior games
>Destroy the factory
>Destroy the base
>Destroy the drop ships
It leads to a bit of a challenge for the attacker whether to truly focus on the objective or to focus on victory. Do you fire on the dropship before it leaves or do you focus on wiping out the enemy? Do you knock out the factory and run or do you wipe out the enemy and destroy the factory at your leisure?

>>98481616
>do you wipe out the enemy and destroy the factory at your leisure?
What's the objective for the defender in this scenario that makes it distinct from a time limited death match?

>>98481628
>Factory destroyed but enemy remains
Win
>Factory intact but enemy destroyed
Win
>Neither factory destroyed nor enemy wiped
Lose

Could fluff the time crunch being the arrival of reinforcements or the factory sending out files on all the mechs/weapons/random non-war related technology it makes.

>>98481541
>>98481519
Iirc you need mechs with hands to pick shit up, and you can't be jumping with that shit neither iirc.

>>98481655
Destroyed factory is always a lose condition after 3025. Hell even 'factory damaged' is a failure condition. The entire point is to capture or hold control of the factory.

They're like jumpships. Far too valuable to waste.

>>98481628
What I'm getting at is that ideally both players should have distinct ways to score victory points so that one player abandoning the scenario in favor of total destruction won't force the second player to do the same.

>>98481661
Not if it's just a raid for the purpose of weakening the enemy. There's no way in hell we can ever capture this planet but we can still render it useless to the enemy. Personally I like the depressing irony if the factory doesn't even make anything military related.
>We lost three men in order to destroy the enemy factory
>It's a high price but that's countless battlemechs that will be kept off the battlefield
>Battlemechs? The factory made chemo drugs for children.

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i might have messed up the height settings on my prints
the warhammer looks fine, but the shadowhawk looks a bit too tall and the enforcer looks huge

>>98481483
>>98481444
>>98481436
Still working on IA V6, hard to find the time but I'll be putting several hours in on tuesday.

>>98481766
I <3 u MCA
take ur time no rush

>>98481768
Some rush. I need to have it ready by the time my courses start up again and my group's Draconis Reach campaign starts in September

>>98480309
Clan Invasion ended in 3052. Whatever shit you posted is wrong.

>>98481782
Who told you that?

I need some tutoring on Clanner behavior circa start of Clan Invasion. I want to introduce them to my friend group who's only ever played Introtech.

Say there is a mission objective for the Clanner player (in this case, me). They enter the battlefield and find an Inner Sphere force defending it. Do they go out of their way to do all the usual batchall shit and forget completely about their objective (so as to give the IS player more of a chance), or is there a lore-friendly excuse for them to contain their autism and stick to the objective?

I lean more towards the former to make it extra clear they are weird, but I also think this effectively makes the match a deathmatch with a round limit. So...I'm a bit lost on what is best

>>98481691
the painted griffin as the official mini and is provided for reference
the enforcer in particular ended up larger than intended and I am not sure why

>>98481792
Clanners are weirdly autistic assuming spheroids have any idea what the fuck Zellbrigen and Battchall mean, and tended to challenge them. However to skip that you could just have them having fought either their exact group, a sub group (eg. other company or regiment of the same faction), or their type of faction (eg. pirates or mercs) and consider them dezgra.

>>98481616
Building destruction missions require a special effort to balance. LRMs are premium demolition weapons since clusters always max out and there's only one hit location. An Archer destroys a hex a turn against generic CF 40 buildings and you only need to take out half the hexes to make it collapse.

Would secret objectives work in CBT? Randomized cards with a play/draw system? Or is that too "unorthodox" for CBT?

>>98481897
I've tried it and it tends to feel like a Gotcha system if it determines the entire scenario. What it's good for is adding some spice to a large, multi-player game where there's an overarching scenario objective. That way it lets each player have their own little task to accomplish to earn a win

>>98481913
I've got some preliminary ideas cooked up already. Maybe I'll post them here later if the mania maintains.

>>98481835
I specifically want Clan vs IS for that early clan invasion shock. I was thinking of bringing a MadCat Prime and a Jenner IIC, which with 3/4 pilots are just shy of 5K BV. IS would bring a full lance.

Maybe it'd be something like the MadCat pilot challenging the enemy commander to a duel in a way the IS doesn't understand and then REEing when they inevitably breach their rules and going all out? And once the enemy commander is dead they move on to their actual objective?

>>98481691
Swoleforcer is clearly of Nordic stock

>>98481782
I must have missed the part where the Clans gave all the shit they took back during the Tukayyid Truce years.

>>98481836
I vaguely remember from playing megamek that you only get the full cluster when adjacent to the building?
Or am I misremembering?

>>98481792
>or is there a lore-friendly excuse for them to contain their autism and stick to the objective?
some clans are more liberal with it and also there is sometimes the idea that your personal honor or units honor might need to be sacrificed for the good of the clan. clan invasion is peak clanner batchall autism so there's a good chance they focus on getting sick frags but you could justify it if they're sufficiently impressed with the importance of the objective or on the temperment of their commanders, yeah.

>>98481792
>>98481835
Battletech writing flip-flops as to whether clanners
>somehow don't grasp that IS don't know what they're talking about and are offended and easily fooled
>fully know the IS don't get it and are basically just flaunting and attack normally
>don't bother to offer it at all because they're just savages anyway
or worst
>understand the IS don't get it, offer it anyway while intending fully to follow the rules, get tricked easily, get mad
Most of the time followed up with "after this setback they attacked in full force killing all IS foes" because they still need to win.

Writing by committee, probably. Many adaptions just ignore it beyond the reference cause it's stupid anyway. Just imagine they're currently written by someone wants them to be smarter and they'll be smart enough to put it on hold for the moment.

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>>98480601
>Like even the ilclan thing itself is playing out in an interesting way because I think CGL has realised its not the '90s and nearly everyone under 50+ thinks clan wolf are just boring cunts, so they're being the baddies really.
Genuine question for the true grogs in the thread, was there ever a time where the playerbase unironically thought Clan Wolf was cool? As someone who got into Battletech in only the last few years, Clan Wolf always came off as a Mary Sue faction to me.

>>98482266
>was there ever a time where the playerbase unironically thought Clan Wolf was cool?
When the Clan Wolf Sourcebook dropped and they gave us the entire touman order of battle and roster, that was pretty neat, but after all the Phelanglazing they lost any claim to ever being cool.

>>98475087
Playing with Salvage if in a drawn out war there would be enough for a lance or two of enemy equipment but resupply would be near impossible.

>>98482266
When I played Mechwarrior 2 and had a choice between Jade Falcon & Wolf, I thought the Wolves were pretty cool. And then I played Ghost Bears Legacy and discovered I liked them more.
And then of course I discovered more as the years went by and started to dislike the clans as a whole. I don't mind the Bears and Star Adder (And Wolverine) but its kind of like being fans of the best (imho) of a collection of down syndrome retards.

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If you had lots of color dice, what would be your preferred colors for each weapon attack?
This breaks down when dealing with multiples of each (can't have 4 greens to resolve 2 medium lasers, after all), but I'm still curious

Example:
>light blue
PPC
>blue
LL,AC/2
>green
ML,AC/5
>red
SL,AC/20
>brown
AC/10
>yellow
Any LRM,MG
>orange
Any SRM.Flamer

>white
>white (bone)
>black
>purple
>pink
>light green
wildcards to fill out multiples of one weapon
considering having specific colors for PSRs and other things like that for fun

>>98482516
The only one I stick to is PPCs must be blue and kinetics must be black.

>>98482266

Yes.

You had to have been there, and probably had to be a teenager playing in the late 80s to early 1990s, and many would rather die than admit it, but there was a time when the Wolf Clan was cool and didn't take shit from nobody. Many ages ago, when this ancient word was not quite so ancient, it was actually considered cool to unironically enjoy things and think that cool people doing cool things that changed meta-narratives was a cool thing for you to enjoy unironically.

That hasn't been true for at least two decades. But late in the last millennium, it was. Briefly.

>>98482668
People have always hated unironic enjoyment
The 90s was arguably the peak of "I'm too cool for this" type attitudes that made punk and grunge so common
Hell, the music scene is just one very long line of people making a new subgenre because they thought the state of the current genre was cringe
Cringe just being the latest iteration of a multi generational backlash against people enjoying things without walls

>>98482668
sounds like everyone who was playing back then isn't a real battletech fan then

>>98482690
They snorted lines of Clantech and DHS back then, and in their madness forgot the entire point of Battletech's setting. Now they're wraithgrogs, perpetually high on Clan faggotry, and can no longer derive joy from the game without it. Once players of wit and cunning, reduced to junkie slaves, a cautionary tale.

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Played my first Lance on Lance game

3 hours in only 1 mech had been permanently disabled (ammo crit).
Bit of a slog honestly.

>>98482739
>Bit of a slog honestly
CBT in a nutshell

>>98481519
>>If jumping doesn't make you drop the flag, then the whole game revolves around jumpy mechs which limits variety
Actually ran into this a couple weeks ago with my group, with the even bigger issue of being able to drop your guys after the first ANYWHERE you wanted.
Naturally I dropped a Spider right on the opposing flag and got it three quarters of the way to my end of the map before needing to drop my Panther on it to get it over the finish line.

One thing I like about Instant Action's King of the Hill is it scores slower units higher...
Could have sworn there was something about the number of Objectives a single Mech could carry based on Size class, but I'm guessing that was something in the Mercenaries Campaign?

>>98482739
Speed will pick up with experience, both in making better decisions and resolving them faster. But it's also worth remembering that BT's roots are in naval wargames, there is very much a battleship-esque tone of mechs being able to take an absolute pummeling until suddenly they explode out of nowhere.

>>98482668
>it was actually considered cool to unironically enjoy things and think that cool people doing cool things that changed meta-narratives was a cool thing for you to enjoy unironically.
fucking gay

why don't you and all the other oldfags who started playing before 2018 just kill yourselfs and let us play the game the right way?

>>98482773
Trying Too Hard

>>98482791
trying too hard, you self-righteous faggot

>>98482742
That's why people should play Alpha Strike and let CBT languish in the dustbin of history. It's a shitty, slow game, for shitty, retarded people. Never play Battletech, no matter what else you think. It's the worst game ever made. There's no reason to play any game but Alpha Strike.

>>98482845
Nah. Just got to recognize what each kind excels at and use them appropriately
>Classic: Skirmish
>Alpha Strike: Tactical
>Inner Sphere at War/Battleforce: Strategic

>>98482845
The problem with Alpha Strike is it's no longer a battletech game. After removing internal components and abstracting it to numbers, it can be anything. You can replace mechs with D&D minis and call artillery fireballs. Put down some dungeon furniture and you are set. Lance bonuses make a lot more sense as magic abilities too.

>>98474538
You are right, interestingly I found the same pages missing from a different sourced copy.
DriveThruRPG copy is complete so I'm not sure where this clipping started.

>>98482845
Main reason I like battletech is because of the internal components and the ability to customize mechs.

>>98483312
Same, I've got Brikwars for a more "generic" wargame that also gives me an excuse for my toy collection, and even that can be compounded with component damage.

>>98481782

No it's right because there's technically two clan invasions during that period.
The first one where they invaded us that ended in 3052, and then the second one where we invaded them and unlike them, managed to actually get as far as THEIR homeworld and then pushed their shit in so hard that they were whiny pissbabies who would then go on to claim that they never wanted anything to do with the Inner Sphere, because it was haunted.

Although I do find it funny that literally the ONLY thing in the entire history of the Inner Sphere all the Great Houses ever actually agreed on was "Fuck these fursuit wearing, eugenics peddling, cheap ass mech building, punk ass whiny bitches."
Like, they couldn't even all agree that the Word Of Blake, with all it's nukes and human vivisections, needed to be taken down... largely because of Marik, admittedly. Honestly, it still surprises me that somebody finally got the whole "lets replace someone with a body double" storyline to actually work in their favour or at all, for once, with the whole Thomas Marik/Real Thomas Marik thing.