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>>98521608>What is something canon to your preferred gameline (and edition) that you have ignored or outright changed?Something I and nearly all the STs ignore: default supernatural numbers. Most actual writers for WoD ignore it too.
>>98521608I completely ignore the avatar storm/6th maelstrom and the sidden "Void Adaptation" caused by it.It's not actually required or useful to make Mummy the Ressurection or Demon the Fallen happen, since The Get Fucking NUKED. Twice.The umbral storm has zero use in setting.
>>98521608>What is something canon to your preferred gameline (and edition) that you have ignored or outright changed?Shit man, I'm getting to the point where I've changed more about VtM than I've kept. Pretty much everything east of the Carpathians gets a heavy rewrite. Some of the Independent clans get heavily drawn down into far more minor parties, "glorified bloodlines" is the term I like to use. I don't hold to any of the Revised metaplot, and suffice it to say absolutely nothing from V5's made it in. I've also grafted some things from Requiem onto it. Now I will often use official lore as a guideline, or a base state to modify, but it's just that, a guideline. Anything that doesn't really hold to what my table thinks is cool gets cut. Some things can just be retooled. Often times it's taking a broad, vague thing (like how Africa and the Middle East get large, puddle-deep monoliths) and breaking it up to make it messier, more complicated, and more interesting. And of course it's not a complete project. We tend to color in the details when we actually get to a game set in that particular place and time.
>>98520056>How is that not "just" a Hunter Conspiracy or a tier 4 supplement to the game?Because it is told from the Anomaly's perspective, many of which do not have human-like consciousness. A least one of the factions would be the "mirror worlds" that you mentioned in your post.
>>98520806I remember this. Have you playtested it yet?
>tqcathayans, they both exist in a handful of snippets of v20 lore, and do not exist in the mechanics, you have stats for a sidhe enchantress but not the cathayansschrödinger's asia is my least favorite feature of v20
>>98521608>What is something canon to your preferred gameline (and edition) that you have ignored or outright changed?
Oxymoron Entertainment has hired (YOU) to make a street-level game about vampires. How would you design it to have maximum appeal to the broadest demographic possible so that O.E. can continue wasting money on other hare-brained projects?
>>98520565>Also honor is such a fucking joke most of the time
Alright, I’ve been developing the gang that’s run by a pack of Forsaken that my hunters are going to encounter. They’ve muscled their way in to crowd out other gangs and thereby lower the strength of malevolent spirits. I decided to give them a bullfighting theme, so each member of the pack named themselves after a part of bullfighting: the bull, the cape, the sword, and the matador.El Toro del terror is the bull, he runs enforcement and territory management. He’s the biggest muscle of the pack.El matador is the leader, he does the big decision-making for both the crime side and the spirit hunting side. The problem is… I don’t exactly know what to do with the cape and the sword. It doesn’t help that I’m unfamiliar with Werewolf the Forsaken, so I don’t really know what they’d do or how to make one. Any Forsaken anons here able to help? I do intend on reading the book next weekend to help familiarize myself some.
>>98521981Hotline Miami but it's the Sabbat trying to take back the city.
>TQI think I've already said this one, but I don't use Caine as the origin of Vampires in the direct sense. Caine is someone Vampire-like, perhaps, but he is ironically not a true Cainite. Actual Vampires all began with the 3rd gens, and the so-called 2nd gens are the things responsible for creating Vampires, which include the famous three as students of Caine trying to manipulate his curse and producing a new species of immortals that eventually killed them, due to Caine's curse activating and destroying his life again. He follows Vampire society from afar, but doesn't intervene because he knows that for all their resilience, they'll be killed too if he tries to help them. I don't have a stat sheet for him exactly, but he's not technically as strong as he is in canon due to not being a Vampire and hence unable to raise his stats to 10 or wield blood magic, even though he's still immortal and unkillable.
>98521608TQ: What is something canon to your preferred gameline (and edition) that you have ignored or outright changed?>Everything V5>Assamite Viziers get folded into sorcerers, they don't need 3 castes, 2 is enough for the schism >The diablerie compulsion is the original Assamite Curse, not the Baali curse, that one turns to blackening for warriors and compulsion+prominence for sorcerers>Zapathasura lives>Kuei-jin region lock is stupid and it doesn't exist>All of the third gens are the second gen, no one's innocent
>>98521763>spoilerSuch as?
>>98522065This is the sort of video game that World of Darkness needs.
>>98522161Tzimisce farm simulator?
>>98521608Alright, what splat tried to take down 4chan?
>>98522204>Alright, what splat tried to take down 4chan?That was just the maintenance.
>>98522210>maintenanceThe God-Machine's machinations!
Do you think that vampires do this?
New Ananasi story chapter-interlude out in spacebattles if youre interested in thatLike before do tell what you think and also do give ideas for stuff that could happen
>>98522204>take down 4chan?What are you talking about Anon? Nothing like that ever happened, you must be misremembering things.
Seen the rabid, loser, pathetic fanbase of V5 now cannibalizing Paracucks from the inside is delicious. Please bring more drama from their discord.
>>98522204Don't worry citizen, move along. Nothing happened. Also magic isn't real.
>>98522224only self-absorbed pricks like Tziggers and Venturds>Vhy dost thou reqvest mine aid?!Fuck off Tzitrash, you're a hillbilly from Arizona, not a 15th century Voevode from Eastern Europe. Stop larping.
>>98522091>The Night Horrors: Wicked Dead pseudo-vampires make appearances and serve to spice up local politics or provide additional antagonists as the plot requires.>Strix are folded into the Abyss, and are often the first type of abyssal creature that are manifested. While most of the Abyss is pelagic, the Birds of Dis occupy its uppermost reaches nesting in rocky outcroppings above a roiling inky black sea. >Mekhet are a "lost" clan, descended from the Antediluvian of the same name. There are fewer of them than most bloodlines, and their existence is largely unknown. >The Brothers of Ypres are a stabilized Caitiff lineage turned micro-bloodline, reworked their origin slightly so that Jones was actually embraced by Nomadic Sabbat who were working their way through the trenches. I'd consider doing this a few more times but I don't know enough requiem bloodlines and only the Brothers have piqued my interest so far. >Syncretized the Circle of the Crone with Lilith worshippers, and use Cruac rituals + a handful of Thaum paths that are thematic (curses, weather control, green path) to form a more coherent Bahari blood sorcery style. >Brought over Requiem Gargoyles, to avoid confusion everyone calls them Children of the Stones or Blood Golems. Tremere Gargoyles still exist, but are considered crude by many high Elders and Methuselah.
God damn Glass Walkers! First they crash our server and now I keep getting ads about "Hawt Woof Grrls" in my local area in along with ads for premium spider silk blouses on sale for $49.95!
>>98522224After the first time of trying to update his vocabulary to modern times between regular scheming, only to find his new speech is 50 years out of date by the time he's mastered it, an elder will revert back to antiquated language. He will then claim that all later developments in the language is degenerate garbage to hide his embarrasment at failure.This happens to pretty much all of them and functions as yet one more barrier for younger kindred who want to petition their primogen/prince/whatever.
>>98521856I did Cold Hell. Mostly Afflicted (so humans with that Innsmouth look) gameplay. The expedition is currently stuck in Antarctica's west side. The Captain, a 280 year old badass, is dead. The Chief of Security is still alive. One of the Information Officers is a Zmei (player) trying to kill everyone and desperately sending coded messages to his Domnitor through the SOS signal to get permission to kill everyone.The Marine Biologist is a Naga (player) and, together with a Triton Security (player) guard, is trying to turn all of the nearby penguins into Albino Screechers (the giant albino penguin from At the Mountains of Madness).The two Cecaelians (players), one of which is a professional thief with near-zero knowledge of computers are constantly doing Divinations to see how, when and why they die to the Ningen that sunk their vessel and now prowl the coast (the Captain killed at least one, the others haven't yet found their hideout). The Medics (Kappa and Triton players) and the Scientist (Naga) are trying to make poisons and acids with the scavenged lab equipment and chemicals they got before the vessel sank.It is my first time Storytelling, my second time playing WoD/VtM/DtD (last test session lasted 1.5 days before Author quit) so I went with a more free-form Chronicle, where not a lot of dice need to be rolled and the chances of survival are low. I do fear doing everything by the seat of my pants will give me some misconceptions about how the game is meant to be played, but seeing as no one else wants to play WoD, I just have to read the book as I run the game. The 6 players are having fun at least. Even the powergamer.
>>98521653>>98521653Honestly I think that's a good idea, there are some things that make sense like Garou population being small as the Nation declines but 12k is an absurdly low number and not nearly enough for them to accomplish what they do considering every good WtA story has to end up with casualties. Kinfolk numbers are more reasonable. Mages though? 1 Mage per 250 leeches is some kek-tier ratio
>>98522226>Spider totemYou using W5 lore anon or just pilfering parts of it? At least W5 didn't entirely take cockroach out the back
>>98522323Pilfering parts I feel would fit in
>>98522314To be fair to mages, they probably got a massive amount of population nuked from the avatar storm with a lot of them becoming void adapted eldritch spirits. But yeah that's some low ass population lmao
>>98522073Not-A-Vampire Cain is still a regenerating immortal that rebukes your attack sevenfold. He may not be able to bench-press a truck or run at sub-sonic speeds, but you still aren't killing him with anything less than a nuke or death laser and the feedback WILL kill you as well.He also is misfortune incarnate and wherever he goes and whatever he does will result in disaster so Vampires would still fear him, because they are societal parasites and his existence is a threat to any societal infrastructural nearby.
>>98522341>avatar stormNon canon.
>>98522354I like threat null desu, but it's probably the only mildly interesting thing the avatar storm brought
>>98522353I don't think even a nuke would work, since he can't die. You have to break the curse on him first, and he's long given up on that, since while it's not a law of physics that is totally impossible to break, it is still an act of divine malice and requires comparable levels of force to break.
>>98522399Good luck finding something comparable of surpassing the power of God
>>98522313>humans with that Innsmouth lookhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tTHn2tHhcI
>>98521608>What is something canon to your preferred gameline (and edition) that you have ignored or outright changed?"Vampires cannot eat food." I think it's a very boring facet that adds very little, and in my mind vampires can eat food, it's just that they derive no nourishment from it and it all tastes bland compared to how it was in life, and completely pales in comparison to drinking blood.>>98521763Based. Every GM should claim a setting as their own, first thing.
>>98522407Exactly. Those creatures do exist, but they're incredibly rare, and his efforts in the past all failed because the people he sought out were too low level to do it.
>>98522481On a related note, vampires' body fluids are all replaced with blood. This is really dumb and has never been depicted to be the case, but the idea sometimes persists in the rules.
Has anyone in all of human history ever LARP'd a splat other than Vampire? I don't think I've ever seen concrete evidence of a non-VtM LARP.
>>98522549CtD was very popular for larp, second most popular right after vampire.
>>98522549I can see mage larp. Woof larp though probably needs very specific people
>>98522341>>98522354Another likely explanation is that the Mages (hermetics specifically) really just hemorrhage that many recruits to the Tremere
>>98521763This guy looks hot. Is he single?
>>98517382Boggans: ClassicalClurichauns: Celtic punkEshu: FolkNockers: Industrial rockPiskies: Hyper popPooka: ParodyRedcaps: Black metalSatyrs: EDMSelkies: Midwest emoSluagh: NoiseTrolls: CountrySidhe: Dungeon synth
>>98522340That's fair. I constantly hear about how bad W5 is though glass walkers getting Spider as a totem isn't so bad if you had a partial time of judgment happen
>>98522354I go with>Avatar Storm happened but has since calmed down, now it's a Wild West of everyone rushing out to re-establish Horizon Realms and lay claim various corners of the Umbra.It gets rid of the overbearing super-special hideouts where hundreds of archmages hide while opening up the Umbra to all of the crazy shenanigans again.
>>98522678Plus the Spider spirit did show up in earlier chapters
>>98522549I was in a mixed-group L.A.R.P. I was a werewolf named George.
>>98522041I'm not familiar with matadors, what do the Cape and the Sword do?
If the World of Darkness is to survive, it must appeal to women. If I recall correctly, it was one of the few tabletop roleplaying games to actually have a sizable female fan base.
>>98522759You think W:TA's reputation would improve if they wrote garou femslop novels?
>>98522549I LARP an Autum Person whenever I go to work
>>98522828Yes. But they must be written by women for women. For the gay stuff (male-on-male), hire some fujos.
>>98522828Unironically, I think that a romance novel series with a theme of>unassuming young woman not knowing that she is a kinfolk moves to an area of high garou activity who smell her potential as a virile mate and compete over who gets to claim herwould quickly become an infamous cult classic in the WTA community.
>>98522759VtM already appeals to women. Dont know about the other stuff.
>>98522759It is in its current situation precisely because it appeals to women.
>>98522672Thank you.
>>98522549*sad awooo* It's a real shame isn't it.
>>98522828Probably, there's a lot of potential there. Arguably, Mage and Werewolf had much more potential for erotic novels than Vampire.
>>98522549I can't think of anything more embarrassing than werewolf larp.
>>98522549there was one a changeling larp in my area... 30? years ago. My wife went
>>98522828With the right writers, Beast: the Primordial could be their number one property.
>>98522759On one hand, that seems like a decent way to increase popularity of the franchise. On the other hand, I wouldn't like people to think I'm a fruit for liking it (or at least, any more of a fruit that they probably already do).
>>98523023I'd be curious how many people managed to violently botch Sorcerers Crusade at a renaissance fair over the years
>>98522759>appeal to womenSo, just keep the rapey lore untouched?
>>98522531>vampires' body fluids are all replaced with blood.I like to think it's simply because the mental image of a vampire crying blood is too cool to ignore.
>>98521653I like the idea that one in every 1,000 people is some kind of supernatural, but tgat can include anything from vampires to humans who would be straight mortal if not for a supernatural merit
>>98522531>>vampires' body fluids are all replaced with blood>hook up with a vampire>he cums inside>you look like you're on the rag
>>98521351See but there's plenty of intelligent zombies in pop culture. iZombie, Warm Bodies, Tokyo Ghoul kinda (poaching corpses for your flesh eating cafe is a very zombie idea), potentially Gaslight District now if it's good? And even if not, WoD isn't any stranger to doing its own thing.I think mostly it runs into the problem of "but how does this differ from Vampire?" since there's so much overlap of being undead monsters who have to consume others to live and have the hunger gnawing at them all the time.
>>98523145The problem is that it includes things like saliva and vitreous fluid. I assume they were too self-aware to put "bloody tears" in text as a mandatory feature, but vampires don't have perpetually blood colored eyeballs and don't leave blood everywhere they touch something, or have bloody ears from earwax or noses from mucus, they don't weigh more from the extra blood cells, basically almost none of the body is affected except for bloody vampire tears, which only the most edgy tryhards would use to begin with. It's strange because it gets brought by the rulebooks more than once but isn't canon in the slightest.
>>98523197Don't forget the fact it's also an automatic 1 step bloodbond and full ghouling("Finishing" requires spending a full blood point for vamps).It's a common way for Giovanni to hide the ghouling process when inducting members not already "in the know".
>>98522828Probably
>>98522531This creates unfortunate logical issues, like the fact that frenching a vampire should cause the blood-bond, since every fluid in their mouth is now vitae.
>>98523240>It's a common way for Giovanni to hide the ghouling process when inducting members not already "in the know"....Don't the giovanni exclusively ghoul from their immediate family?
>>98522065DO YOU LIKE HURTING OTHER KINDRED?
>>98523251I always imagined it was Vampire = Goodfella and Ghoul = Wise Guy
>>98523251Yes.And yes, this implies that it's so easy to get a giovanni to suck-off/eat-out their brother/sister or father/mother Before the blood bond that they it became the default to sneak blood-bonding into their morning oral sex.
>>98523260*CAINITES
>>98523269That's the american Mob anon. Giovanni are italian Mafia.Their members are actual biological family instead of just a crime union.
>>98522759>>98522882it used to appeal to women when it was more dark and edgy and not made to appeal to the idea of what women "should" want according to wokecels
>>98523279I like the Giovanni so much, this is what a setting called world of darkness needs. And they even rape ghosts!
>>98521608>>White Wolf Wiki:>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_PageThe Syndicate not being full of jews.
>>98522407Clearly we must convince God to curse Caine again. This time with explosive diarrhea.
>>98523339>The Rothschilds don't exist
So no Joke but V6 humanity bar is a blatant ripoff of Forsaken 2e' Harmony bar. In the sense that the optimal position is 5 and reaching either 0 or 10 will screw over the player.On a somewhat related note has anyone actually port the harmony bar to W5 as replacement for harano & hauglosk bars? I know it's probably a improvement since the bar is in hell and all...
>>98523240Wait, are you seriously saying vampires can ghoul humans with unprotected sex?
>>98523339Christian restrictions on moneylending were laws against Interest and Compound Interest, not against temporary loans.The Nephandi were never forced into money lending roles, they specifically set out to Create those roles and did so by Breaking The Law. That's why the Nephandi slum lord was a stereotype up to Nepolean's time.This is the same reason why christian countries kept kicking them out, because they consistently kept Breaking The Law.This is getting the historical revisionism treatment because all our modern historybooks are written by a Nephandi owned company. The same nephandi whose daughter was the right-hand of the last publically revealed Nephandi Cabal.
>>98523396Also a repost since the last version seems to have been ate by this site.
>>98521608>mash up oWoD and nWoD>split up oWoD groupings into smaller ones (bloodlines, werewolf camps, etc.)>more social overlap between similar creatures>Dammites are not the "Jewish" vampire sect, they're more like Messianics and also mostly don't exist>more generally better handling for other cultures>the Pure are not evil>all three W/W/W are going out of controlI'll run it someday
>>98523410Yes. It's in fact a regular practice by some clans.
>>98523411I know both extreme left and right are illiterate economically, but if you ban interest, you are effectively banning lending in any sort of meaningful capacity beyond your buddy letting you have a 50 to buy some booze
>>98523422>MUH SKEHELS OY VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>>98523396Being at Harmony 5 is almost pure upside, while being [Monstrous 3] or [Mortal 3] come with their own unique advantages (and disadvantages).Also I was meming on Harmony before V6, about topping off your essence by eating a spirit, then having a human aperitif to fix your Harmony back where it was.
>>98523422Not really, no. Interest free loans are a thing done to this day. They actually create a lot more economic build-up and faster than high-interest loans, because they remove the incentive to put people in perpetual debt cycles.
>>98522758The cape is the eponymous red cape they wave to bait the bull, and the sword is the weapon they use to kill the bull in one blow by severing the aorta.
>>98523422I can give you a five-six loan, that is to say, a loan that compounds at 20% every 24 hours. Or I can give you a loan with a flat 20% charge that never compounds. In both cases, I'm secretly communicating with every other banker so we know how likely you are to pay back your debts, but in one case we at least aren't saddling you with a debt that will gradually expand for the rest of your life.
>>98523396>So no Joke but V6 humanity bar is a blatant ripoff of Forsaken 2e' Harmony bar.Yeah, it is just one of those things that they took and poorly implemented.As for using it in W5... I have no idea beyond using the rules as they are but change the Anchors. Like hauglosk is tied to the sick mom that is crippled because of polution and harano is the grave of your friends.>>98523410You could blood bond people by just making out.
>>98523396It makes me think more of Beast, where being on either side of 5 has some advantages, and reaching 10 is game over (in Beast you turn mortal at 10, but you can technically come back from it).
>>98523396The worst part about V6 humanity is that it clearly shows the writers don't understand the setting. The reason Humanity 10 is objectively good, but next to impossible to maintain as kindred is to show the horrible slow degradation into becoming a monster. Leaving the small light of potential(but incredibly unlikely) golconda allows just enough hope that failure becomes Crushing. If there were no hope, then there's nothing to work toward, but also fear losing.The V6 system is essentially telling people that they're perfect as they are. The only reason they have to do anything is in reaction to the big mean world trying to change them and they need to resist it to stay themselves. It's a system that Punishes being poactive or working toward anything.
>>98523466In Beast, don't you only turn mortal at 10 until your Satiety automatically ticks down? That's like a week at most
>>98523478>The V6 system is essentially telling people that they're perfect as they are. The only reason they have to do anything is in reaction to the big mean world trying to change them and they need to resist it to stay themselves. Yeah and I suspect this probably what WtA players want from a similar system. Like sure you could screw up if you slip into either extreme but if your're smart it won't get in a way of a good old fashioned Shareholder slaughter.
>>98523511>what WtA players want from a similar systemThe fuvk are you smoking? I don't want any damn morality meters in my werewolf game. That shit can stay in Forsaken.
>>98523478>V6 is telling people they're perfect as they areDoesn't seem that way, a lot of the 'Natures' are awful and feature their own form of frenzy, called an outburst.You're forced to be a tyrant, a hedonist, a narcissist, etc etc.Humanity in V6 isn't the spark of divinity in your chest that wants you to aid others, that knows empathy and trust, that will do no harm and cares for everything that breathes; it isn't even the conformity to society that you still understand yourself to be a part of, a denial that you're a slathering animal by virtue of having things in common with those still among the living. It's the worst of your impulses, your coping mechanisms, your fundamentally flawed self.The Mortal and Monstrous trackers in V6 are just competing kinds of Id. One of them just came from you, the other from your Embrace.
>>98523235>4chan is now being moderated by BanesIt’s over.
>>98523568>You're forced to be a tyrant, a hedonist, a narcissist, etc etc.Yes. Stop thinking like a rational human for a second and think like the type of person they hire to write modern World of Darkness.It's a system that gives you an excuse to be a tyrant, a hedonist, a narcissist, etc, without it being Your Fault. That's why Brujah frenzies are shit like "Rebelling against Authority" instead of just becoming an animal like frenzy used tp be. It's an excuse for players to follow their worst impulses while patting themselves on the back because it's not Actually them, the mean old beast Forced them too. The fact they wanted to do it anyway is beside the point.
>>98523371The Lions of Zion aren't even a real group of mages. They're a psyop by the Syndicate to keep you from asking where all the kabbalic mages went.>>98523411Damn Nephandi, they ruined the Syndicate.
>>98523498Yes, but the only way to max out your satiety IIRC is to kill someone, so you're liable to attract a hunter to kill you in the week that you're defenseless.
>>98523592>nowAnon, I...
>>98523605The virgin "So what if I wanted it to! It's not my fault!" vs the chad "Sure, the beast is why I killed those orphans but I was gonna do that anyway so who cares?"Anyway, this is why I give Brujah a second weakness at my table. If they hear someone talk shit about Carthage, they have a Baltimore-level chimpout.
>>98523605Nah, your nature is part of who your character is/was. It's forced in the sense that you can't have old fashioned 'good' natures like Pedagogue, Caretaker, etc etc. No more playing mama bear for a group of lost caitiffs because your maternal instincts didn't die when you did.>just becoming an animal like frenzy used to beThat actually does still happen. Hunger frenzies and rage frenzies still do the old school frenzy of wanting to rip and tear until it is done, fear frenzy is still rotshrek and about putting as much space between yourself and the problem as possible, and the new clan frenzies are a separate system that's triggered by more or less ignoring your vampire impulses until you snap - so your brujah only starts shit-talking anyone in authority if they've had to swallow their pride and ignore their Beast's demands for dominance too many times.I think V6 has a shitload of problems, I despise it on many levels, but I think that vitriol should come from as accurate a place as possible.
>>98523592anon most of these generals are made by a fomor
Instead of frenzy, it should be the classical 4 F's of zoology:fight, flight, freeze, mate.
>>98523666>666Hail Satan!
>>98523568If you are feeling generous, you could look at it as them trying to convey that you are stuck with who you were as a mortal and how that person could be just as shitty as your animalistic instincts since the beast hasn't been your evil side in quite a while.
>>98521293Stop shitposting.
Fellow kindred, do you own/ride a motorcycle?
>>98523666That's a fair point but it should be implemented in W6 instead.>Be fleebag>Rage near full because auspice moon and no viable targets>See some random civilian throw a paper ball into the garbage and miss> ST calls for frenzy check> Fail, random frenzy nature> FUCK> Proceed to rape the civilian in broad daylight causing a wolf hunt because I couldn't keep it in my pantsIt will sell like hot cakes.
>>98523235>AI moderationLmao like if shithole is not bad enough. Mother fucking retards destroying Moot's legacy.
>>98523748That was destroyed a long time ago. this is just bruning the body.
>>98523738Thrall of the Wyrm is already a thing, that’s just extending the rape mode of the metis to the other breeds
>>98523738>Rapeman stops a crime. Three guesses how
>>98523790
>>98523774Since Metis have been shot out of canon you might as well hive their shit to the others,
>>98523790Black spiral dancer who took up vigilantism as a hobby
>>98523666>>98523738ragebaiting bastet hotties for the 1/4. A strat too powerful?
>>98523857Nah, its perfectly balanced with the risk of death.
>>98523849I refuse to acknowledge anything from W5. Metis will always be canon in my heart
>>98523878Damn it, this was meant for >>98523847
>>98523878It's funny that you can choose to be a Metis, and while they're blessed with suck, it opens up a new dimension in character creation in deciding how they suck
>>98523666>>98523774In addition to this, some STV books for VtM add a Third frenzy type for ghouls, revenants, and dhampirs, "Rapture Frenzy".It only happens to creatures with both a Beast and a Functional reproductive drive unlike vampires.Imagines a ghouled Metis. The cleaning costs alone...
>>98523918Wait isnt it already canon that some camarilla vampires will overdose their ghouls on vitae and watch them frenzy fuck?
The Tremere clan curse is that the elders make you drink their blood, right? So if you're embraced by an antitribu who joined the Sabbat, do you effectively have no curse other than the elders wanting to murder you?
>>98523918>>98523936So, THAT's why you fuckers get so many ghouls...
>>98523939You get the magical tattoo in your forehead, you fucking traitor.
>>98523939In theory yes but the antribu bane is getting a mark that other tremere see if you partake in the vaulderie.
>>98523939What a bunch of dicks.>Butchered their way into vampirism by killing the ONE antediluvian who wasn't a dick.>Act like they're in the right when anyone opposes them brainwashing their initiates.
Trying to think of in debted people to a loanshark. One is the Persian, Farukh, kinda basing this off the scene where Tony Soprano kicks the crap out of a jewish guy but making it my gangsters kicking the crap out of Farukh and him refusing to pay any extortion money. My Verbena has a flaw where he has to roll willpower to resist doing heroic shit so i figure they can either talk Farukh to convince him to pay, offer to help settle his "owed" protection fees, somehow beat the shit out of two gangsters or he can resist being heroic lol.The other two characters i have less defined ideasA nightclub owner who has a big beefy ass bouncer that they have to get past who has the money that the gangsters loaned to him with interest but thinks he's hot shit now and is too good for them. and a gambling debtor at the horse tracks who's betting the very last of his money on a "lucky" horse.Anything you guys think would be a good wrinkle to add to them?
>>98522549I LARP'd as one of two very stupid gangrels who believed they were Werewolves.
>>98523936>>98523918how have i never heard of this before
>>98523774Never liked Thrall of the Wyrm affecting breeds differently. Lupus just kill things dead, like okay. And the pack Metis raping someone is a surefire way to disband a player group. Cannibalism is the only good one, it breaks the Litany and is suitably horrifying to the players at the table without crossing a line.
>>98521653>Something I and nearly all the STs ignore: default supernatural numbers.Do you stick to the general ratios of various supernaturals compared to each other (e.g. wraiths most common, then changelings, then vamps, then woofs, then mages) or toss those out too?
>>98524125>And the pack Metis raping someone is a surefire way to disband a player group.It's almost luke rhe gameplay was designed to make the players look at metis with disgust in the same way the garou nation does. It's a new idea I know, but it's called a "Mechanic that reinforces the Setting".Ditto with the lupus thrall being so lackluster. It's functionally so close to normal frenzy that it's almost impossible to tell the difference, while everyone will know when a homid eats a baby.
>>98523738Honstly I think a tribal hauglosk is much more suitable. Like how the unreleased pre regade versions of maniac works.Like an example would be a glass Walkers going full techbro and damm up a river to power his own AI model so it might figure a way to seal off the Wyrm forever.
>>98522224>Do you think that vampires do this?I think that there should be a shockingly high number of vocal coaches working for vampires full time to sort out stuff like 500 years of slang blending together.
Why are Wraith: the Oblivion players so thin-skinned?
>>98524227the game is about crying
>>98524227Anon, there's not enough wraith players for this bait to become proper skub.If you want tips on good bait, the easiest is to bring up magic is science of vice versa, point out mage the ascension falls apart if you look at the setting assumptions too closely, or start a chronicles vs classic debate.
>>98524227WtO players? Where?
>>98524257>or start a chronicles vs classic debate.Nah, this is a classic world of darkness threat. Nobody gives a shit about chronicles except one retarded sperg.
>>98524227corpus literally has no real skin :°)
>>98524125well one fan game I saw outright says that Thrall of the Wyrm effects breeds universally and it only happens when the garou is under wyrm bane taint or really intend to do that action.
thank you to anons that helped give some answers about why they prefer 20th over V5 in the other thread; there were more genuine answers than the low effort shit flinging than I initially expectedit was interesting to see much of what people here disliked about V5 are different than my own list of grievances, and I'm more interested in giving at least one of the oWoD splats a shot because boy howdy I am not giving V6 a chanceI was interested to see how /tg/ felt because many things from V6 seem to call back to older editions (undoing the beckoning, reinstating the giovanni, clan-unique disciplines again, undoing technology as an existential threat, lifepaths sounded similar to archetypes, point-spend to cast powers, etc.) but there was so much else shit in it that's not for me
>>98524227Are these Wraith: the Oblivion players in the room with us right now?
update from the one dumbass with the malkavian sister.>asked the tzimisce girl for help with installing a neural implant because i figured she could prob do it since no one else in the cabal can atm>got given anesthetic>ended up in a three way with her and her sister(brujah) afterwards as "payment">had her packmate use dominate to put a hole in my memory and add a conditioning effect>her sister also got hit with a dominate effect i thinkthat ended a lot better than i anticipated. Didn't get ghouled at least.
>>98523969>the ONE antediluvian who wasn't a dickWhy'd he make the Baali tho?
>>98524189Nah that's dumb. We'll just invent multiculturalism and bring every nation everywhere else so I can just speak English with a funny accent or not speak it all and no one will notice.
>>98524327>Wasn't a dickHe was, and that anon is just a tremerefag
>>98524302You are welcome, random anonymous.
>>98524327>>98523969>ONE antediluvian who wasn't a dick.guy was friends with Set that's enough to die
>>98524241 >>98524257 >>98524260 >>98524292 >>98524313Orpheus proves its superiority once again.
>>98524302If anything, I think costs on Disciplines might be harsher in V6 than in V5. In V5, there are many powers that cost a Rouse check, and some capstone powers cost two, but there are many other powers that cost a point of Willpower, excuse me, one superficial Willpower damage, and others that cost nothing. The V6 playtest only has discrete powers up to the third dot, but every power costs vitae or willpower equal to its dot rating (one three-dot power costs only one, but it's a range extender on other powers so it's an addotion to their costs). Presumably the devs intend four-dot and five-dot powers to follow the same trend unless they get a llot of pushback from playtesters.And speaking of V5, I'm a lot more lenient on it than I am on W5, but the hunger meter feels very narrow. And it's just weird to have Generation and Blood Potency in the same game.
>>98524350What's orpheus?
>>98524356I think part of it is just like they insist on passive powers not being a thing? but the point of passive powers was like to balance op bullshit by blood points costing your players a need to feed off something thus expending a resource compared to having this already inbuilt into the character. its dumb.
>>98524359Orpheus is a weird game that released between Wraith's metaplot concluding and nWoD coming out. You play living humans who have a variety of ways to interact with ghosts. I think one of the factions can become temporarily, clinically dead.
>>98522531Yeah I'm fine with that.
>>98524359edgy ghostbusters meets mopey betelgeuse
>>98524359not really canon wod game that came out during the late part of toj but before nwod where the shroud breaks down and ghost medium need to save reality from all consuming oblivion it's a limited run game with only a main book line of like ... i think i twas 5 books that are more structured like a chronicle, but also include sub splats in every book which made playing it really weird and in wraith 20 they a small chapter in the main book
>>98524327It was just a prank bro.
In the Chronicles of Darkness, particularly with regards to Mage: the Awakening and Demon: the Descent, there is a horrific implication that is often overlooked. I am referring to the nature of human identity. You see, a person's soul can be removed, altered, or even destroyed. Of course, this will have detrimental effects on their mental health and behavior. But, with a simple mystical procedure, another soul -- indeed, any other soul -- will suffice to restore their normal state, complete with all their memories and personality.
>>98524167It's a bad mechanic for that and I doubt that was the intention either. If they wanted mechanics that enforced Metis being disgusting, it wouldn't be found solely within Thrall of the Wyrm.
>>98524417Yes, CofD is rather infamous for its banal take that souls aren't particularly special or unique things.
>>98521308>A sample would be that one Shark guy who has a fun chronicle going on, or the Toreador soap drama person in the SCHRECKNet thread. I like both of them and what they write, but if I was a corporate manager, I would prefer them to be turned to fucking vapor, because the former is leaning into the toddler-eating part of old WoD while the latter is leaning into the BDSM fetishist part of old WoD.I had a laugh about it, while also recoiling in horror at the thought of if I was in that position. A writer in WoD who wrote that story. It’s rocket launcher level of shooting their own foot. DESU looking at the current treatment of the Get of Fenris, Shark starring in a Nazi game might be more scandalous than the rest. Also he would never eat children! Why would he when he just has to wait and they gain more meat on their own! I once believed that the Path of the Beast specifically said not to harm children, but I must have imagined that. Though as a player I think that it goes way too edgy. To the point that it loops back to not being edgy and you just look like a try hard. Well, I guess if ST kinda forces my character into it, or he just frienzies and can’t ride the wave it could happen and I’ll just shrug it off. I won’t be the one initiating that though.
>>98524442>banal takeFuck off, Changeling scum, or I'll send you a job application.
>>98524365they're trying to cram several older passive/free powers into traits with having a prerequisite of some dots in the discipline, which feels really convoluted considering they're making those effects activate-for-effect anywayit is very unclear where they're pulling inspiration from when making a lot of the mechanics changes, but it's definitely not from anything world of darkness related
>>98523568A vampire's humanity shouldn't be the same level of awful as the vampire's Beast, with consequences that are just as negative. That's retarded.>>98523396Sitting at 5 grants no benefit or detriment whatsoever, while sitting anywhere else on the scale grants some degree of positive and negative. It's just a case of figuring out where you'd like your vampire to be on the chart and fighting to stay there, which is really fucking easy because the system is incredibly broken and Paradox put no thought into it.
>>98524313I'm here sometimes, sometimes the Shadow is here and he makes me shitpost about MxM relationships between Ahrouns to make dogfuckers AND non-dogfuckers mad.
>>98524461Interactions between Dreaming and Lost Changelings would be the funniest shit
>>98524572Is that a wrought iron fence?!I'm going INSANE!
>>98524641>I have a job that keeps me from going insane>Having a job makes me go insane
Which splat would you like?>Automaton: The Singularity>Cryptid: The Mystery
>>98524658cryptid would just fall under deviant wouldnt it?
>>98524658>>Cryptid: The MysteryAs we learned from both I, Robot and The Animatrix, the robots did nothing wrong.
>>98524661Automaton too with the deviant players guide featuring both robots and ai
>>98524658Because cyber-cryptids sound rad af.
>>98524661I could have sworn there was a Hunter: the Vigil supplement about cryptids.https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Cryptid
>>98524671https://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/demon-the-descent/204003-playing-as-cryptids-a-beginner%E2%80%99s-guide
>>98524661No
>>98522759
>>98523948>>98523955Doesn't that mean a particularly sneaky Sabbat pack could prank an entire chantry by tainting their supply of Elder's blood?
>>98524702the sabbat vaulderie is a ritual (rite) itself powered either by the eldest or kupala through "Kupala's sacred fire-flower" it's not just drinking sabbat blood>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Kupala%27s_sacred_fire-flowerthat said the tremere have atleast one version of non kupala vaulderie because of course they do... house goratrix had it in the dark ages and etrius does something similair with the players in the transylvania chronicles and it does not cause the traitor T
>>98524713I love the Tremere so much.
>>98524702Has anyone tried to Ghoul a water supply?
>>98524699This begs the question; which Clan embodies that vibe?
>>98524754Ventrue
>>98524699Nah.We need more.We need Torolf.
>>98524754Lasombra
>>98524754High-Auspex malk.
>>98524759We don't deserve Torolf
>>98524327Unironic split personality.
>>98524768Torolf is not the hero we deserve.It's hero we need.
>>98524767Malk is a more broke ass kind of romance.
>>98524421Just so you know there's a fan game that removes breed exclusive rages and reworks Thrall of the Wyrm so it only happens when the garou was already tanted by wyrm corruption or think they want to do the terrible thing Thrall of the Wyrm force them to do.
>>98524759That's still better than I can write...
>>98524817CTPhipps, is that you?
>>98524327Was seething over the fact that everyone, secretly himself as well, thought his first Clan were a bunch of pushover pussies (they were), so he went all in and then some in the other direction for his next Clan. After he came back to his senses and realized what he did, he freaked the fuck out and hoped nobody would find out what he did. Then he heard that the Baali and the Assamites were going to war with each other, he decided to go into Torpor and wait for the whole thing to blow over.
>>98524854he didn't went into topor saulot was so involved in the first baali war that it made haqim realize that saulot's entire saintly image was fake and that saulot was secretly toxic and dangerous as fuck
>>98524862The more you know. Saulot was a scheming bastard.
>>98524871He taught Golconda if I'm not mistaken though, which is literally the best endpoint for a vampire period
Is there a chance they'll remove that idiotic Humanity mechsnic from the official V6 release?So far, nobody seems to like it.
>>98524880he just told people about it as he couldn't teach it for the same reason the master of ravens can't: he was out of it by the time he returned to the westthe timeline is that he archived it in the city golconda went further east and found the kuei jin -> tried to follow the devil tigger dhamar which caused him to fall out of golconda and embrace the baali -> returned to the west and decided to hide his shame and share what he remembered of golconda loreit's noticable that of all the vampires we know are in golconda none of them are salubri despite the clan having a heavy focus on following saulot's teaching which they also have more acess to
>>98524896>Achieve the best ending>Try to do a DMC reference>Lose best endingDipshit
>>98524896>it's noticable that of all the vampires we know are in golconda none of them are salubri despite the clan having a heavy focus on following saulot's teaching which they also have more acess toi am not the biggest fan of BJD but there they confirm that saulot and the inconnu (or someone pretending to be the master of ravens) are sharing fake golconda books that don't work and worse often make the reader disappear
>>98524920>sharing fake golconda books that don't work and worse often make the reader disappearCool, I'll start doing the same to fuck with local kindred. Thanks for the idea.
>>98524920> fake golconda books that don't work and worse often make the reader disappearv6 max humanity moment
>>98524445>He'd never eat babies!>He would however punt them if they're brown enoughSee, this just makes it so Shark and Venus are two composite parts of Totentanz. Dreadful implications.
>>98521608>Isaac Newton>Adam Smith>David Hume>GW Leibniz>Robert Hooke>Edmond Halley>John Locke >Pierre DeBoisguilbert>Thomas Malthus>James Watt>Ben Franklin>Thomas Jefferson>Anton Lavoisier>Jacques Vaucanson>Eli Whitneywho else is a shoe-in for 18th Century Technocracy?unfortunately Kant and Hegel seem like they would be choristers
>>98524977Pierre Jaquet-Droz
>>98524977Edward Jenner for sure as a Progenitor or proto-progenitor
>>98524886I'm betting they'll try to sidestep the core problem of "trying to turn Humanity 10 into a game over like Humanity 0". This reeks of something they felt really clever about and will probably be defensive about.
>>98525009Something from VtM 1E was a story in the corebook about a new vampire killing tiger dire within 24 hours and returning to being human.I could see a clumsy attempt at saying a Humanity 10 vampire loses their powers and might try some means to become alive or kills themselves after breaking free of the beast temporarily.
>>98524417There seems to be a kind of "HFY" attitude about souls. In Promethean, getting a human soul is the ultimate goal, Mage talks about how it's the greatest mystery, Deviant implies that their power actually comes from their souls leaking out due to all the trauma, not the actual modifications.
>>98525049>their souls leaking out due to all the traumaThat could explain changelings to an extent.
>>98525031Well another idea I heard is that humainty 10 vamp effectively killed the beast. Which also what animate them which quickly render them permanently into a torpor like state that effectively rendered them a immortal semi-conscious corpse that will stay in this state until somebody kills them.My addition to that meditating in this state could be a step to achieve Golconda. But no known vamp actually awaken from that state.
>>98525009>something they felt really clever aboutHow did people react to Harmony in WtF? I laughed when I first found out about it. There's no way it wasn't memed on when it came out.If the writers feel "really clever" about the Humanity meter in the playtest, it's because they haven't done their research
>>98524147Generally, yes but I usually don't start the chronicle by thinking about the supernatural demographic but more like what my chronicle will focus on. A city might not have a single Werewolf if they don't have a purpose in the story and my players never bother/think about Woofs but it might be full of Mages.>>98524755Depends on the kind of women. If they prefer a rich CEO making you her pet-style romance, Ventrue. If they prefer 6'5+ man who is covered in tattoos, Brujah. If you prefer twinks who speak poetically as they caress you, Toreador.
>>98525089WtF was written from the ground up using the fact that a uratha needs to try to balance their dual natures it's arguably the base premise of the game and neither nature is presented as better or worse just like how most spirits aren't evil but more or less corrupted and malfunctioning when put in the material worldso the entire game is about nature, balance cosmic and inside of youso there harmony works and that's also why just copying it for vtm where humanity for 30 years was karma meter and all the lore talks about how high humanity is good and low humanity is bad just doesn'twhich is extra hypocritical because the first thing that team told us was that they been reading all the """"legacy""""" content and been looking at how things are presented and written in those books all which would have told them that this is a terrible idea that doesn't work
Lost Changeling wants a hug.Dreaming Changeling hates you.
>>98525113Yeah a Harmony bar like would have been more suitable for W6 version of harano & hauglosk then Vampire.
>>98525140>a Harmony bar like would have been more suitable for W6 version of harano & haugloskNo, it really wouldn't. Forsaken is not Apocalypse, and the Harano/Hauglosk dichotomy routinely gets in the way of what Apocalypse wants to accomplish.There's a reason why W5 the edition where a giant corporation tells you to do nothing but impotently peaceful-protest with a picket sign against in-universe giant corporation (while telling you #notallcorpos) while the previous editions are high-octane Captain Planet guerilla warfare shit.
>>98525140i feel like renown already works as a karma like system for the garou perhaps you could go more into that it's the spirits stringing the fera along, but other than that it works for the kind of game that WtA is
>>98525163It is deeply ironic how an actual big corpo irl with a history of not going too deep into how horrifying some things are is the one in control of the gothicpunk setting that sold itself on shit like vampires being an allegory for sexual predators
>>98525194Renown itself is tied to how other Garou see you and your associated fame, if we wanted to make it a true morality system, we'd have to add a 4th "Chinimage" renown that only spirits cared for.
>>98525134Forshaken is like your boring, but reliable border agent uncle.Apocalyse is like a really cringy, if earnest furry cousin.
>>98525163Well to be fair from little I've heard it's trivially easy to balance V6 version of Humanity bar so a bar like that put's it head and shoulders above W5's version Harano/Hauglosk.
>>98524920>i am not the biggest fan of BJD but there they confirm that saulot and the inconnu (or someone pretending to be the master of ravens) are sharing fake golconda books that don't work and worse often make the reader disappearI wonder just how much of Golconda's dismal success rate is down to absolutely nobody involved in the Jyhad wanting a bunch of do-gooders with the potential for 10 dot shenanigans running around.
>>98525262i seen mistrust as a source of anti golconda sentiment in the books before but i think this case is probably more along the lines of jealousysaulot invented golconda (or atleast named it) and fell out of it and never managed to get back and Demetrius (the master of ravens) is a malkavian who's derangment for the longest time (it's implied that saulot takes control of castle Hunedoara later and cleans up a bit) was that he considered himself to be in golconda and blanked out when he had to drink bloodso these two spreading the "The One True Way" and said way being complete nonsense at best and actual harmful at worse again reads like spite to me (and if we accept V5 then its also something meant to lure more vamps to Hunedoara)
I guess I've been living under a rock and had no clue V6 is now a thing.From what I'm reading, I assume V6 still isn't good enough to replace V20?
>>98525391it's alpha rules are jank on a level we haven't seen before vitae is hp and mana. high humanity can turn you into a npc just like zero humanity. no rule for high generation elders or low generation neonates and more and lorewise it somehow managed to mix v5 and v20 stuff in a way where nobody is happy
>>98525134More like Lostlings want to be hugged and Dreamlings want to hug you
>>98525134>Dreaming Changeling hates you.And we hate them back with extreme prejudice
>>98525399>no rule for high generation elders or low generation neonatesThat sounds... awful. Let me guess - it stems from the connection of HP and vitae into one?Also - if Humanity is such a big (if nonsensical) part of V6, how are they planning to reintroduce Sabbat, who famously disregard Humanity to begin with?
>>98525421>That sounds... awful. Let me guess - it stems from the connection of HP and vitae into one?vitae is not related to your generation no it's even more stupidvitae is 10 + stamina and stamina maxes out at 5 and all disciplines cost their dot rating in vitae to use and go up to 8 in the playtestyour so called generation modifier (goes up by 1 every two generation you go down) gives several boni and also makes you tankier by reducing the damage you take (min 1) and your age/generation is now your tier like in cofd tier tier 1 is a high gen neonate 2 tier 2 is a mid gen ancilla tier 3 is a low gen elder and i think it's meant to be something like bounded accuracy in dnd 5e? but diablerie is still a thing and hilariously works now even when you diablerize a higher gen vampire and the new humanity system has a breaking point after which diablerie is not making you more monstrous so people have joked about industrial diablerie camps working in v6
>>98525450i feel like i should also mention that diablerie does not just give generation dots but also exp, willpower and in-clan disciplines now and again does not care about your victim's generations so you could just diablerize your own childe till you are at the exp level of a methuselah When you diablerize a Duskborn or vampire, yougain the following:• Regain Willpower equal to the victim’sgeneration modifier.• Lower your generation by 1. If the gap ingeneration modifier between you and the victimis greater than 1, lower your generation by thatdifference instead.• Gain XP equal to 10 × the victim’sgeneration modifier.• Choose one of the victim’s Disciplines. ThatDiscipline counts as a clan Discipline for you whenspending XP to advance it, but not for any otherrule or effect.• Remnants of the victim’s soul remain attached toyou for 1 year per generation modifier. Creaturessensitive to spirits can sense those remnants onyou, though they might not know the source.• Unless your Humanity Scale is already on[Monstrous] 2, slide 1 step toward your[Monstrous] side.
>>98524803Link to it?
>>98525470It's unreleased as far as I know. You can only access it's materials by subscribing to the at least 5$ tier pg the project mangers Ko-Fi :https://ko-fi.com/songoftrilliumAlso I should note that they have a history of Portraying Fennia in a less than flattering light. Like they last project Hathbound has a adventure hook in the book centered around a Fennia biker gang organizing purges of kinfolk and Metis as reprisals against the titular tribe/knfolk rights group.Like it's not as bad what W5 did to the get but it's going to be awkward for a Fennia player reading heathbound...The Get adventure hook by contrast has the party baby sit some Metis pups.
>>98525421>connected to vitae and hp being combinedAs the other anon said, seems not. To shed a little more light on it, since I've read both the playtest packets, it's because they want a power level separation. They heard that people didn't want "only street level play" so now you just pick based on generation whether you want a low power game, a mid power game, or a high power game, and that's based on your range of generations.This is especially retarded because you could logically just base it on age - more experience = higher power = different stories, with Generation acting as it always has, a kind of power cap and a potential boost from how much blood you can use in a turn. But they didn't do that. For reasons unbeknownst to literally everyone involved. Instead they just slapped the name of the ages on the generation bands, and acknowledged that that wasn't how that worked, and moved on. I guess to be deliberately different from older editions?
>>98525539I'm going to guess this is them trying to rip off the bandaid on that it is potentially confusing that a typical Gypsium Corpsium, Grandchilde of Ravnos who stole Caesar's purse, is high in age yet low in generation. It's two metrics that say how strong or weak you are, with diametrially different directions of what's strong.Granted, it's really not very difficult to get over this comically minor hurdle, but if I was a corporate dipshit trying to make WoD super-accessible I'd worry a little about the stupidest of stupid customers not getting that 'high-generation' means 'lower power ceiling'.
>>98524327That was Ashur/Cappadocious tho
>>98525163>Harano/Haugslock gets in the way of what Apocalypse was trying to accomplishConsidering it's all an analogy for ecoterrorism - which has notably stopped because they lost so fucking hard that anyone invested in the movement knows they're fucked and is more concerned with finding a way to grow potatoes and wait out the end of the world than blowing up oil rigs, hence why in W5 Gaia's already dead - I think having a Doomerism stat and a Martyrdom stat makes a kind of sense. Those are the two reactions to fighting a literally pointless war.I think the system has problems - Harano only really stacks up from seeing your efforts come to naught, which makes them entirely ST dependent, for example - but from a purely thematic perspective I don't think it's disruptive much at all.
>>98525539>They heard that people didn't want "only street level play" so now you just pick based on generation whether you want a low power game, a mid power game, or a high power game, and that's based on your range of generations.What, like Hunter the Vigil? Do they just not want Elders interacting with Neonates?
>>98518705Antediluvian: The Reborn. Basically, you are playing Pre-Deluge Humans reincarnated in modern times. The idea is that past Humanity was greater than it's modern iteration, longer lived, see Methuselah, stronger, tougher and able to do Numina commonly and on far greater scale than any modern Sorcerer or Psychic. The game would be intentionally broken, as players are basically Gilgamesh and his ilk but in modern times, with very few actual threats, one of them being the Cthonic Guardians wishing to get your ass back in afterlife, reliving the Flood due to your past sins. Otherwise, the biggest threat is the day-to-day living, being greater than contemporary Humans includes also vices and emotions of Antediluvians, so you would either try to keep yourself at bay and do better than constantly slaughtering cities populations because you feel annoyed or actively indulge yourself and degenerate into the depths of depravity that were the cause for the Flood.
>>98525588Possibly? I'll admit I never played Vigil.And Elders can interact with Neonates as NPCs, but you can't mix and match generations in your party anymore. You can, however, mix and match ages, because those are irrelevant except for flavour now.Baseless speculation on my part would be that this is to tie the Church of Caine being the state religion of the Camarilla (as established in one of V5's... novels, I think? Sourcebooks?) in even harder, by having Generation be a thing people in-universe now universally respect and acknowledge and can measure somehow.
>>98525595You could play that with ExWoD if you port some of the we merits/mutations.Having 2 major banes sounds like a huge fucking pain in the ass.
>>98523411Just say Jews.
>>98525598>Possibly? I'll admit I never played Vigil.In Vigil there are 3 "weight classes" called tiers.Tier 1 you are your avarage horror movie protagonist.Tier 2 allows you to buy allies and similar merits that cover people in the know.Tier 3 allows you to buy supernatural shit of your own, so you are playing Father Garcia from Faith Unholy Trinity.
>>98525632Then yes this maps exactly. Neonates, your typical street level protags trying to make a name. Ancillae, established members of an area with bigger responsibilities. And finally Elders, who are in charge of things and have to go punch umbral parasites out of the tzimisce or whatever it is high level vampires get up to.
>>98525642>whatever it is high level vampires get up to.Unless they are fucking around with another's splats stuff they do nothing besides being petty against one another. Otherwise they would kill themselves given a century or two.
>>98525501Oh, those guys. On the fence about this one because it definitely has a lot of political bias but still looks better than W5. Not sure if it’s worth paying anything to see just early material >>98523371Funny thing is, they do exist in canon as silver fangs kinfolk
>>98525595... So just play a Fomori?
>>98522226I have read the first few chapters. Compared to Kumo Desu/Self Inserts are Cancer and How I Learned to Start Worrying and Hate Being A Spider, this is a different premise. For one, the reincarnation doesn’t need to come from another world, as modern WoD is nearly (from a mortal’s perspective at least) identical to our world, so the protagonist could’ve just been a normal human or Numina user that figured out or stumbled into reincarnation to as a fail-safe to prevent their death. The protagonist acts differently form a normal Isekai, being neither freaked out by his situation nor adapting quickly using past-life knowledge, rather they are acting as a native would, except they have “two backgrounds” as both a young adult Homid and a freshly Awakened lab rat. The having their “isekai unique skill” be the right to be both Weaver and Wyrm aspect, both Unweaver and Questioner, since they have two souls, is a fair powerup that shouldn’t break their perception of what is “high stakes” compared to a normal Anansi. In fact it would probably make it more dangerous, it is one thing for an Anansi to pretend to be of a different Aspect for the purpose of infiltration and espionage, it is their nature and divine mandate to scheme, its another thing entirely to embody two aspects of the Triumvirate at the same time. Thankfully, this a story about an Anansi, not a Garou, so they aren’t an outcast from the moment of birth till death. Quite excited to read the next chapters, it is very different from the other 3 spider monster Isekai, because Anansi of World of Darkness themselves are very different.
>>98524658Automaton sounds more interesting.Even if it's mostly just another take on Sovereign would be nice.
>>98525659I did hear that mechanically Fomori are very modular. I guess it wouldn't hurt to check out Freak Legion and see what cool stuff could be reflavored. Though, using ExWoD as another anon suggested would propably work just as well.
>>98525654>Oh, those guys. On the fence about this one because it definitely has a lot of political bias but still looks better than W5. Not sure if it’s worth paying anything to see just early material.I won't argue with that. Like from my own experience the tribes (except for the Get of Fenrir ) of the conservative Western Concordat are portrayed as headless chickens ever-since Albrecht died (granted his fate ultimately way more dignified compared to W5 and there's enough ambiguity around his fate that a party might mount a umbral rescue if ST allows) while the progressive Eastern Concordat are going full hog on the Shadow Lords Cearn and Moon bridge incentive. Like if nothing else the tone of the project is directly different from old WtA. It's closer to LANCER than anything else. (with Eastern Concordat as Union and Western Concordat as slightly more dysfunctional karraken trade baronies) .
I think we should bring RP threads back.
>>98525783We have an ongoing VtM 20th one.
>>98525783>>98525797Besides VTM, is there another splat you would like to play?
>>98525817Eh. I think the fact that VtM persists while the werewolf one died kind of highlights that most other splats have less going on, are less popular, less modular in some cases, and you can anyways introduce their stuff into a VtM scene fairly easily.
>>98524960>He would however punt them if they're brown enoughWhat?
>>98525877How about Exalted?
>>98525817Well, since there's a lot of shitposting, think a digital web thread for Mage could work?
>>98525889I know very little of Mage so I don't know the answer, however this could be a chance to learn about this splat.
>>98525588>What, like Hunter the Vigil?Vigil can do high level play.
>>98525765Not familiar with LANCER, what is it like?
>>98525783If you wanna make one be my guest, but let's be real here. Besides the zombie general that has become Schrecknet, none of them had serious staying power. WtA is one of the most yapped about here and it only lasted as long as it did due to shitposting. HtV is one of the most played games here and it also didn't last very long, despite making a caveat to allow for oWoD fags to post.
>>98525932Ananasi thread that immediately falls apart due to the spiders being inherently very solitary, so they all go back to Weavercrafting their own projects (it's probably moths for some reason).
>>98525948Spiders want to fuck moths
