>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre. Let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet & Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Full Spectrum Dominance,Gaslands, HeroClix, Kings of War, Lords & Legends,Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam,SAGA, Sahipkıran, Sludge, Space Weirdos, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sword Weirdos,Urban War, Void Admiral, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Goblin King Games, Lucid Eye, Mantic,North Star Military Figures, OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat,Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games......and many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zgPrevious Thread:>>98507131>Thread QuestionWhat is the last wargame you have played for the first time? How was it?
>>98530329>TQI don't play wargames because I can't find players to give them a try.The Rampant books I mentioned at >>98530166 look promising to me as flexible systems to cover a multitude of dramas. A sort of "fall back ruleset if nothing better can be found." I don't feel comfortable using Tabletop Simulator because of the supposed high rate of autists there when it comes to the Warhammers that it seems mostly used for. Maybe the number of rejects among rejects there is exaggerated, but I'd never play Russian Roulette in my life.But seriously though are the Xenos Rampant fog of war mechanics really that bad?And how are the dragon rampant 1st and 2nd editions?
>>98530329>TQFull Spectrum Dominance. Awesome miniatures, even more awesome terrain. I credit it for getting me interested in smaller scale wargaming and I have been having a fantastic time ever since. It's an interesting skirmish game that feels larger scale than it is due to the tiny size of the models, playing on a 2x3 foot field and having 15-20ish models/stands per side. The game is technically miniatures and even scale agnostic, which is neat.The alternating activation system is the gimmick of the game, where you roll a certain number of dice at the start of every round based on the size of the game (rerolling as many as you like), and then each unit has different weapons and equipment that require certain dice results to activate. You can distribute your dice to units immediately to lock those actions in (which allows you to use them as reactions during your opponents activations) or keep them in reserve in your pool to be more flexible later. I realized pretty quickly that it's got a surprising amount of nuance and probably a decently high skill ceiling. A lot of times you have to adapt your strategy on the fly when you don't get results you need to use certain weapons or equipment. That has led to some interesting plays in my games that I dont think ever would have been made otherwise.Pretty cool game. Would recommend even if just for the minis alone.
>>98530497What is an average Army size in this game? I think I have the STLs, maybe even terrain(or at least I hope), and wondering how much effort would it be to get into it with 2 basic armies to drag a friend in with.
>>98530381The Xenos Rampant activation rules are really forgiving, due to free actions, bonuses from nearby commanders etc. You could also just play the game so that a failed activation means you just move on to the next unit, not changing the active player. It's mentioned in the books.Dragon rampant is pretty fun too, but there are fewer sources of activation bonuses in that game and the morale rules are more punishing.
>making elves because I love elves and wanted to remake my very first fantasy army now that I am better at painting>friend A wants to try warhammer old world>friend b wants to try oathmark 2 when it comes out (I already pre-ordered it)I am building for TOW because it is more restrictive but I am stoked for Oathmark 2. I am ready to kill some dorfs
Reposting from previous thread:Fireforge games announced they'll start a new Kickstarter campaign in September for camel caravans, Berber camelry and Berber cavalry.
>>98530595Quite small. Its a skirmish game really. Here's an example of a standard sized force, and most are smaller than this.
>>98528713>>98528797Hmm, this does sound somewhat interesting. My friends are already playing it but I wasn't sold. Might grab the rulebook and give it a read. TY anon
>>98530943Interesting. I might give it a try next year when I'm done with my current stuff.
>>98530943Are those 25mms? Or 40mm?
Since I started playing TC I noticed a reduction in length of my penis...Is it normal? Does it happen with other games too?
Looking for Space/Sword Weirdos. I got some friend on small scale games with Greathelm, so I want to keep it going with more sci-fi and fantasy games at that level.
>looking at Irregular 2mm>they have a fantasy range>sudden urge to play Hirdes if Things in 2mm
Try the share thread, I got the Weirdos stuff from there a while ago.
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Pictures of the UMCA hardsuits to be released later this year. I wonder if the arms can also used with the badger hardsuits wga released earlier this year?
>>98532398I've wanted to do a 2mm LOTR game for a while. I've got a irregular 2mm napelonic set that needs finishing first.
>>98530381play soloIf you don't want the initial investment then play solo on TTS
>>98530698Based map. I assume it's your oathmark kingdom?
Anyone know anything about Konflikt 47 for Solo play? I've got BASIS for Bolt Action, that works fine, but I was wondering if anyone knows of any Solo play projects K47. If not, I might end up hacking BASIS and using that.Thanks anons.
>>98532654Kino, I'll be picking some up.
Friend keeps shilling Dropzone to me but doesn't have a second army to give me a demo game, how fun is it compared to Legions Imperialis?
>>98530747Sorry, John Fireforge, I love ya man, but I'm not interested in buying your camels. I'm sure you'll fund the Kickstarter without the need to spam this thread.
So the Gundam Assemble game is just a better World of Warcraft miniatures game?They just made a better "timeline" mechanic, removed dials, and made VP/objective tokens better. (or perhaps I m missing something?)
>>98530747I funded the trench crusade Kickstarter and now I don’t feel comfortable using Kickstarter again. I know there are more reasons beyond the Kickstarter mess up.But why is there so much hate for trench crusade?And which one of you /awg/tists made the current trench crusade general? It has an ai op image (look at the gun) and the TQ is asking about other war games. Is the reason to contain them from using this general?Or was it one of the warhammer anons for different autistic reasons?I should have learned from wga the damned taking so long to be honest.
>>98530698What software did you use to make that map?
>>98534369VERY different game. LI is for sweats, DZC is for more narratively inclined gamers who aren't afraid to be oneshot by giant razor worms
>>98534735I can't tell if that means the game is more or less lethal, because that's one of the things I hated about LI.
>>98534469Much like Mecha Fans don't want Lancerfags cluttering up the thread really.
>>98534788DZC can have units that kill easily, or struggle to kill, it depends on which edition your playing and which unit is facing which other unit. Typically, a Saber Tanks railgun will core our an enemy tank with a clean hit, but a single railgun shot won't do much to bother an infantry squad who could, in turn, be firing their own anti tank weapons at the aforementioned Saber.It's not a triangle of balance, there's more nuance to it than that, but there's typically the right weapon for the right job. The game isn't hyper lethal in my experience, a lot of the tactics come down to area denial and objective capturing, which is way fun, but there's definitely times where you'll throw caution to the wind and go on an armoured column pushing up the streets crushing enemy armour and providing moving cover for your own infantry and taking out anti air units to secure the sky for your own dropships.It's a good game, markedly better than LI, but they are two veeeeeeeeeery different games.
>>98534469>But why is there so much hate for trench crusade?many reason: malicious ad, they betrayed the original plan to go to a gw like business model, the lore is mediocre/cringe, childish behaviour of the author and so on.
>>98534469I don't hate it but the people interested in it seem like people i don't want to associate with.
>>98534415But at the same time they removed defense stats and the respawn mechanic makes no sense outside of a Warsong Gulch setting.Also the SEED tax is painful.
>>98533010Yes. All the locations are spyro 2 refferances>>98534505Inkcarnate. Really fun program but once you use it you will see were people used it all over
Post miniatures you don't see too often and explain how you'd use them.>pic related.Once my current backlog has shrunk significantly, I'd like to start working on a sizeable "civilian contingent" of dwarfs to add to my army/collection. Maybe even start building an actual, physical hold.
>>98535492Forgot picture.
>>98535044I don't really see how what you said is unique but maybe the bar is so low for other games that specialized weapons wind up killing everythingIs there an emphasis on air assets or something, because every box set seems to come with 75% ships
>>98535730>I don't really see how what you said is uniqueI didn't say it was>75% shipsShips are required to get your other assets on the ground, you dropship in APCs that carry your infantry and dropship in your various tanks etc
>>98530747Tbh I never found camels and sand people cool, not even as enemies. So even whne I like fireforge a lot I will not buy that mang.Also I know at least one of you play moonstone, what do you think is the best/worse part of it, because I really like the aestetics of it.
>>98530698I love the small kingdoms like that, specially after years or rpg when they have lots of details to them. Smol settings besto settings.
>TQThe last game I tried anew was Oathmark a few weeks back, but someone in my group is looking at running This Is Not A Test, might get to try that.
>>98530698Based. Would mark oaths with you. What's something neat about your kingdom?
>>98532654Tony Reidy just posted painted versions of these in the Facebook group. To be released "later this year".
>>98538288Are these for anything in particular or more generic sci fi?
>>98538288Cool but where the fuck are the Arnyaran and Creevish Quar
>>98538296Looks like an original design leaning into being generic
>>98538288Depends on how much they cost and how many models can be built.But they look cool enough
>>98534469You are the lancer fags of the AWG thread, in you lane heretic.
>>98538161Hows oathmark? I'm really thinking in some solo games and making kingdom like in Oathmark tingles my autism.
One of my hobby aims is to make a couple fantasy armies copying historical wargaming basing styles of big multibased units and diorama-style command basesI don't have any rules to mind yet because I don't really think there are any fantasy rules that do this kind of thing, but to begin with I'm just gonna plan out two armies to build in this style.
>>98534469Tr00ncrusade is trash and im happy retards got rugpulled with all the delays and shitty ass models. Id spit in the face of a TC player if they came in my flgs
>>98538769>I don't really think there are any fantasy rules that do this kind of thing,King of wars, at least hte first editions was based in the footprint of the unit, not the minis in it.
I've got some 'Muricans and some Nahtsees, anyone able to recommend a small scale game for them? I've got 5 Men at Kursk and that, while entirely competent, is a bit more rules dense than I would like. I'm in the market for something casual but fun. Thanks anons.
>our models are actually lower quality... ON PURPOSE
>>98539507People will hate him for this but he speaks the truth to a degree. I decided to build my Successors army with Warlord Games phalangites exactly for their "lack" of details compared with Victrix kits. If I were to paint 10-20 minis I would go with Victrix but whenever I enter the 30+ minis territory I go for non-Victrix kits.
>>98539507I do not want to agree with the scammer, but he does have a point.STL and more modern products for some fucking reason insist on filling as much of the model with garbage and/or use proportions that are only useful if the model is never used in a game and stays a display piece.
>>98539544That would be true, if not for the fact that Victrix models look better than the comparables WGA literally every single time
>>98539549Most of us are not professional painters, nor are you. Victrix minis look great when unpainted or painted by studio painters but in many cases the sheer amount of details makes them a hassle to paint for an average hobbyist.
>>98539563This is, unfortunately, just cope.
I wonder how many people rightfully shitting on GW for their detail-bloat will defend Victrix for the same offence.
>>98539577Not me
>>98539577ill shit on victrix and gw for having too many details. ill shit on wga for making shit minisill shit on anyone for anything
>>98539592>ill shit on anyone for anythingKinky~
>>98539507>>98539542>>98539549>>98539563>>98539577I think it's unfair to criticise victrix for detail bloat. Sure, there are many belts that hang over mail and cloth, but it's not excessive. It's fair to say that the kits are not as cross-compatible as WGA or North Star, but they have a superior level of detail and more realistic proportions than the others. However, I think the WGA design philosophy is sound and I appreciate that they try to standardize their scale to enable more kitbashing.
>>98539567I'm with anon that one. I play Genestealer cults for example. Where you need like 4 to 6 units of 20 models each.The amount of details this fucker have for being models that will only be on a table for a turn is absurd. Specially when they are going to be look at from a distance and not up close.Regarding the image from left to right:>Warlord Games, Gripping Beast, Perry, Fireforge, Victrix and Wargame AtlanticsToo much "detail" will get lost on the table
>>98539625The scammer is from WGA is throwing shade to Victrix, but it does have a point. Do you want models for playing or displaying?
>>98538288hopefully he won't sell the machines and declare bankruptcy this time.
>>98539655 I like to think that Tony Reidy has redeemed himself, WGA has released over 100 plastic kits now. Not the highest quality miniatures on the market, but perfectly serviceable for wargaming.I don't have an Instagram account, so my minis are for playing. I am rather vain and I do occasionally fish for compliments in /WIP/ though.
>>98538288THat looks good.
>>98537655Its litterally a part of oathmarkBefore you make a "list" you make a kingdom representing your roster. Each troop has a terrain they come from and relative distance from your capitalLike for elves I picked the grasslands (Autumn Plains) and Forests (summer forest) for my tier two locations. Thus I can pull knights from the grasslands and rangers from the woods for my armies
>>98530329any warmahorde starter/faction packs that are roughly balanced against eachother (or rather which ones to avoid)? I'm thinking of biting the bullet to get a pair to rope people into buying/printing
>>98539771I love this kind of stuff, has oathmark 2 being released yet? Can you do it solo?
>>98539641Based image poster. I'm not seeing the "overly detailed" part. And I can't ever remember looking at a Victrix model and thinking "that's too busy". If anyone wants to post victrix models that are overly detailed I'd like to see them.
>>98539922The over detailed is mostly Tony talking shit, but having a rather standard size models across all the range makes it easier for kitbashing.Like some knights with plasma rifles if you want. Properly proportioned models suck for this kind of things, but are good for other things.
>>98539625>Sure, there are many belts that hang over mail and cloth, but it's not excessive.I think I would forgive "excessive detail" that was historically accurate. The things they look busy to me are the ones that break realism.
>>98539827It realeases in like a weekNo solo stuff yet but Joe Mccullah has made serveral solo games in the past
>>98538769Hobgoblin and Dragon Rampant work well with that sort of armies.
Can anyone give me a downlow on Firve Parsecs from Home? I don't trust YouTubers to not be infiltrated by shills.
>>98539507>victrix was designed as if they were videogame characters lolwut
>>98539507hes just such a faggot for shitting on victrix.You can say "we focus on minis played ont he table top, viewed from 3 feet. instead of attacking victrix because their minis look better than wga
>>98540212>1st ed >5core based no stats just weapons and special abilities >very randomized crew creation >narrative campaign framework with good material but works best with a GM and several players >2nd ed >stats specific to game, simple but less interesting to me ymmv >more organized crew and campaign structure, same vibe but more cohesive >3rd >2nd ed with much nicer presentation and character options >very detailed mission creation, strong solo play focus as ivan realizes that's where the lonely nerd money is Its fun but very shallow mechanically and I say this as someone who likes them. All of them lean on having a creative side that brings the various tables and procedures together, but do provide good tools to encourage that. I prefer 1st ed but ymmv. All of them have a generic space wild west that's a bit like early rogue trader and a bit like firefly.
>>98539577>>98540053How can anyone genuinely recommend Hobgoblin to another player?
>>98540354Par for the course with Tony Reidy
>>98540354I feel like even that's a cop out. A better take would be: >Our models are an little wonky, but it was a sacrifice we made to make them modular and compatible with models in our line and from other manufacturers
>>98540359>I prefer 1st edHow can I get my hands on that? So I can try it to compare.
>>98539507>the James Workslop tradition of showing fewer detailsHoly mother of cope.
>>98540429gf/d/rXOjZNjYThe combat parts are the same rules care 5core skirmish essentials in the OP which is easier to reference for the most part.
>>98539813If looking at the new stuff, I'd look at the plastic sets or Command starters, sans Khymaera, they put out. Each one is 30 pts, most games are 50-75 pts., and everyone in it is a character choice, so one buy and you're good on what's in them (Some of the older armies, not so much, but the Cryx, Gravediggers, Old Umbrey, and Krielguard definitely are all character). I say skip the Khymaera one, only because their unit in it is a character assassination piece, so they are just good against any of the starters that are all characters.
>>98540534>are the same rules as 5core Had a mini stronk there.
>>98540212It's honestly serviceable. There's a lot of options and I salute that. Presentation is super clean too and each chapters have it's own example to make sure things are extra clear. That being said, I decided against GMing it because the pre-battle and post-battle rolls are quite long and dull for non GM/solo gamers.The book-included QRS is smart enough to reference page numbers for what it can't details, but enemy AI/deployment should have been there as well as weapon effects. Also snap fire is missing too but this one is poorly explained anyway so I wonder if it was a late addition to the game.
>>98540604Snap Fire was in second edition. It changed how reaction rolls were done, 2nd does the roll for each specific model where as 3rd rolls dice equal to the number of models and lets you assign the results. 1st had a different form of snap fire. 3rd putting the rules for how the actual game turn happens after what any of the actions are, over 100 pages in, is fucking retarded layout.
>>98540630It was weird having the battle rules so far in when movement, shooting and close combat are explained from the get-go. But since everything is page referenced it's just a matter of flipping the book if you have a physical copy.Since snap fire was already in 2nd edition maybe it was better explained then. When are you allowed to shot during snap fire? Anytime during the target's movement or at the end of it? If it's the former you can "interrupt" a cover to cover move/dash but if it's the latter you won't be able to shot so that definitely deserved some clarification.
>>98540684>since everything has page numbers you just use those to flip back and forth to specific pages Yes, that is how books work. Its a badly designed book to have to frequently do that. 2nd ed was not a great tome of well written material either, see the snap fire rules. I read it as any time during the targets movement when its in LOS and range of the shooter but its not explicitly clear. They probably answered questions about it in emails, forums, etc. and it got dialed into 3rd ed. I like a lot of the guy's material but its got problems.
I recall finding a cool independent miniature online shop I had never heard of before last year sometime. But I delayed ordering and I forgot about it until now. But for the life of me I can’t remember much about it. Does anyone know of an online shop that fits this criteria>all hand sculpted stuff (I think they were metal but it might have been resin)>the guy had created his own lore with warbands and factions>mudcore (may have taken turnip28 inspiration, may not have)>the characters were humanoid but not human>most of the weapons/armor looked dark fantasy renaissance >90% sure there were black powder guns/blunderbusses>one of the warbands looked like humans with giant worms instead of heads>different governments and races established>huge variety of models>lore was post apocalypse of a plague or something and everyone lived underground(?)I could be getting some or most of these wrong slightly.
>>98541199Sounds like Ramshackle Games boglanders.
>>98541279I would be very surprised if there's another set of miniatures out there that fit this specific criteria.
Trying to remember the name of some grimdark redwall type miniatures game I saw a while back. Mostly just remember the Bat Inquisitor and the spider cult.
>>98541279>>98541343That is the one! Many thanks!
>>98540386Why do you think hobgoblin is so bad?
>>98540768I wouldn't say it's badly designed because except for combat rules coming way too soon it's properly referenced, laid out, plus lot of clear examples . It's more like lot of nice and thoughtful stuff that weren't polished enough. Like the QRS being on the very last spread is great, but it's missing a few stuff. The pages' side is color coded by chapter, but it's only the bottom instead of a stair effect that runs along to help you pick it up. Anyway it's surface level and I'm more concerned with the gameplay itself.On this very topic:-Being Stunned force you or the AI to chose between Moving or Combat.-Moving is Moving, no problem here, but Combat is either Firing or Fighting.-You don't need to Move to Fire but you absolutely need to Move to Fight.-Therefore the real choice is between Moving or Firing for Stunned units but Moving or Moving for Stunned melee only units (nearly all the Roving Threat enemy table) as they need to do so to Fight but since they are Stunned they can't Fight after Moving.-So a Stunned ranged unit is still a real menace but a Stunned melee unit is absolutely harmless.I ended up ruling that Stunned unit can Move or Fire or Half Move and Fight so both have a chance at remaining dangerous. I don't know if that would break anything in the long run but I thought it made more sense. Don't know if you ever stumbled on this situation and just got along with it?
XCOM Anon here. The seal clubbing continues until morale improves.This weeks mission was in an underground facility in South America... wait, this is just a rave? In any case, I kind of messed up and made the mission a long corridor run, which did the Sectoids no favours, and the mission finished fairly quickly with no problems.I bought a box of Tenfold Dungeon for it, and overall I think there's some pretty nice potential for this. I'm gonna see if I can use some of this for MCP terrain as well. I wouldn't call it a CHEAP option, unless you can find a good discount somewhere, but it is nice and pretty good right out of the box.The only really troublesome part of the mission came at the end when I was like "This is a great time to use my grenade! Oh no! There's a civilian there!" and had to try and do it "manually" as it were. Therese managed to clip both sectoids even behind cover... and both then made their Toughness checks. Luckily, the civilian then ran away, thus clearing the way for one of my Heavies to blast the fuck out of them all with a rocket launcher.As for the squad, after this round I built my Alien Containment, so I can now start trying to actually have my Support capture one of these dudes.I pumped 5 Alien Alloys into research so I'd finish my Prep Protocols this turn, and then moved onto Lasers. After that I think I'll beeline to power armour. I had the engineering team build me a Skeleton Suit for Therese my Assault, who makes LT this round, as this is literally just as straight up better Carapace armour.Next week? Retrieval Mission against Sectoids in the North American Wilderness. So at least it's not another Combat Patrol or UFO Crash mission. Still fighting nothing but Sectoids tho...
>>98538288Likely before their warring states.
>>98542181Akcshually warring states armoured infantry is the next scheduled release according to today's newsletter.
>>98540039Sweet!>>98541343THat looks cool. I find single shot guns are quite sweet for rpgs/wargames, its the machineguns than make the rest of fun stuff useless. One shot , slow reload, pistols of use and drop etc marry well with tipical fantasy.
>>98542085TOtal sectoid death.DropKick sectoids, burn sectoids, humiliate sectoids.
>>98538305never evernow buy those crusader and coftyran cav boxes
>>98542328December this year if you're lucky.
>>98542375desu I don't like creevin uniform design that much although their squad comp and tractors are coolarnyarans are ok, but I already have 4-5 armies...desu I'd like if we had Easky instead, but all these three seem to fit bigger scale battles more with their vehicles, especially Easkyhope we'll get Krysters at some point too
Hudson Adams/Tony Reidy has had a melty on one of the FB groups telling someone to "fuck off" because someone said his written fluff sounded "AI prompted" lmao
>>98542446At this rate we should just rename this thread to /WGAG/ if we're just going to repost stuff from their newsletter and Facebook group.
>>98542375whatever happened to the Chinese stuff being an army box? Now it's armoured warriors?
>>98542446>omg E drama! I better go repost this to 4chinz fast!Kys.
>>98542512Same they did with their 10mm range. You VILL buy multiple boxes and be happy.
>>98542512I don't know. Maybe they had some packaging/logistical issues? We've seen pictures of painted warring states cavalry too.
>>98541913I ran 3rd once and decided I didn't like it enough to dig in. The asymmetry of stunned capacity didn't bother me, they're shaken up and winded or otherwise fucked up enough they can't do as much. If you're really worried about it give a stunned shooter a negative modifier based on the number of stun counters. Seems an obvious way to make it more "realistic" but I suspect it wasn't included because the game design tends to favour being able to do things over "realism". You're mistaking surface level for an integrated and inherent problem with the design, which rolls over onto the gameplay. Somehow the QUR for a game that has very simple rules is insufficient, this is a bad sign. There's no index. That's a bad sign. I can infer from the QRS that the full rules for Stunned models is in the Action section but it might not be if they're unable to figure out the order a game turn happens in should be with the other rules. It can be sticky noted and memorized and etc. like everything else but they put so much effort into a glitzy looking 190 page version of perhaps 50 pages of rules including campaign material. The examples are nice, but still don't cover what you wanted seeing as you're trying to sort out how stunned even works in game. Its not very well made. Its cool looking, it has the hallmarks of people who have gone to videogame design training of some sort. You can see how they ran the older material through a modernizer filter, it sold well enough they're a bunch of supplemental material. The one about exploring planets was so bad I didn't keep it. Its a shallow game with a shinny coating.
I'm wondering, would anybody be interested in a "Kings of War" equivalent for Warmachine?I feel like ever since MKII, and even Hordes really, the game has sort of abandoned being about mecha wrestling and just became this lethal, hyper competitive game about piece trading?No edition actually fixed core problems, and just provides band aid fixes, and then throws on new problems instead.I feel like there might be a community of people that want warmachine as this more fluffy narrativistic game with a focus on wrastling with robits and not a piece trading thing.
>>98543059I think the people who would want that gameplay are already playing Battletech
>>98543068>BattletechIs super clunky and is about robit shooting. The actual wrestling and melee is vestigial and shit. Battletech is about walking tanks.
>>98543081Yeah, but I don't think there's enough people who specifically care about mech wrestling to get them to play your game over Battletech, which already has mech wrestling as a side feature and is pretty popular these days
>>98543109Bummer. I mean I figure most people tried Warmachine casually, and most that left got shoved out by the tournament mindset. So I was wondering if any of those people where left.The goal would also to be to just have a system agnostic use for the minis, as Warmachine stuff is very bespoke and hard to shove easily into other minis stuff.
Interesting, I wonder which company is "taking over" Bad Squiddo's website if they're not in Nottingham
>>98543120>as Warmachine stuff is very bespoke and hard to shove easily into other minis stuff.This I think is the tricky part, because small number mech punching FEELS right when it has a certain amount of rules detail to it, and the steampunk and special abilities of Warmachine are fairly specific so they mesh together to make that feeling that's harder to do with generics. There was an anon here working on a Dragonmech inspired game but haven't heard much about it recently. Its summer, people got things to do.
>>98543126>historical research and education>fake as women soldiers and masturbating nazisBad Squiddo Games has had such and odd focus during its history
>>98543059Kindo into that, but my goal is to make a kind of Dominions6/conquest of Elysium kind of game, and Warmachine has a lot of the bases to make it (like the mix of troops and monsters, the solos/thughs, the chaff/troops, small, mid, big and colosal monsters) it would only need some kind of paths/magical system to tackle in , I was waiting for oathmark 2 but as I would specially play it solo as the non GW scene where I live is very small (is taht or historics with the dying grognards ).
>>98542479Repost from Facebook all you want, I will never go there. Some insight into the 10mm groups would be appreciated. >>98543059A more open and revised WarmaHordes is something I'd definitely be interested in. Mk1 was definitely more accomodating to non-Tourney mindset and play, so yes. I would be interested.
Dropzone Commander 3.0 is about to drop>starter set is bigger but way more expansive>same for every army boxesIt never stood a chance
>>98543059I want to be able to run my army of mechanithralls against a battle line of trenchers
>>98540534Kinographics, thanks for sharing.>>98540604I've been looking through the book today, it looks as though there's a fair bit of player investment required, learning profiles, rolling on tables, painting up baddies etc etcNot bad, just a lot.
>>98543059Minis neutral Warmahordes is like /awg/ holy grail.
>>98543526It kinda of is, I never cared much about rules as I'm more into the crafting of hte generated narrative of games, but I ever felt warmachine was something special than has been desvirtuated.Wasn't Warcaster kinda of good, but didn't quite get enough wind and crashed? I think it was a cool sistem to extract value, and make it "Mini/setting neutral".
Well a thought that came to me is that rather then hoping that Warmachine "finally gets good", id just design a rules agnostic Warmachine that goes back to basics and fixes them instead of running away from itself.Things like power-up, fury, the cards repair system, have always been bandaid fixes to core mathematical issues.
>>98543598I would read it anon.
Is Baron's war 2nd edition box a good place to start for war gaming?I want to start with my fiancée but neither of us have much experience.
>>98542382I have been postulating that the Easky release will be in a similar format to the FOD one; after the new two player starter set, and probably (I hope) with a little vehicle thrown in; the Snokyr 72-r Autoped seems a likely candidate.
>>98543698true
>>98543680Yes, it's a super fun game with a great box of contents and there's also an awesome fantasy ruleset that runs adjacent to Baron's War called Warhost.
>>98543698I've been meaning to ask about that, I want to get into the FOD but if I ever play Quar it will be because I set up two teams for demo games. I don't have a good grasp on how lopsided is it for me to have a tractor and my opponent to not, or for them to have a big full sized one while I have the little centipede. I'm always wary of mismatches like that because I don't know how much specialist anti-armor equipment needs to be brought for it to not be a stomp one way or the other.
>>98543680I mean it depends on what you are after. If you want to do some historical skirmishes than sure.But you can literally just write names on pieces of paper and play Horde of The Things or something with them. It depends on what you are after.
>>98543756For a demo game you probably wouldn't want either side to have any tractors just to keep the rules lighter and just have like 5 riflemen vs 5 riflemen
>>98543756The Fynrydhad is actually pretty vulnerable, since by my reading it can't button up, since it's a single man tractor with one guy being the commander/gunner/loader/writes the theme tune/sings the theme tune, and it basically acts like an individual rhyfler; that is to say, no need to spot before firing.It's a nice piece of mobile cover with a decent anti infantry MG, but the pilot is -only- in heavy cover, so you have to use him carefully.Both mine got sniped out of the cupola last game, so I have my 3d printing guy run me off a Shaedyn."Proper" tanks are a different bag, RAW they're advised only for armour specific scenarios, but I waive that for tankettes and light vehicles, because they are nowhere near as resilient.
1490 Doom has been pretty popular at my locals. Are there any other games with a small table footprint like this that are actually decent? theres stuff like Halo Flashpoint that are meme games to sell ip's to normies but Bushido is the only one i've tried thats a small 2x2 or smaller table thats a good time.
>>98543306Anon, neither female soviet units nor female homeguard members are ahistorical.If anything, why haven't they made female Japanese Kokumin Gyotai militias? Or Flakhelferinen?
>>98543959because nobody wants to write the mechanics to simulate rape.And also, their contributions were largely symbolic, and greatly overstressed by people with a labrys to grind, so to speak.
>>98543877There's a good amount of skirmish games I'm familiar with are for 3'x3' but 2'x2' with higher terrain density works. Fist Full of Lead, 5Core Skirmish, (advanced) Song of Blades & Heroes, En Garde!, Frostgrave, Stargrave.iirc Halo Flashpoint is very similar to Mantic's Deadzone which is a small footprint or maybe battlemap oriented. >1490 doom >popular lol really? Its trash.
>>98543564Warcaster is a spectacular game.
Got gifted a copy of Space Station Zero today. Anyone here played it? It's a really nice book.
>>98543959>proceed to post propaganda as a counter pointOk we can move on.
>>98543564Warcaster is a VERY different game to Warmahordes.
I bought this Warjack on ebay for £3.50 and im genuinely blown away by how good of a model it is. It seems perfectly designed, with loads of empty space for joy of painting and a lot of opportunities to do historical style techniques.
>>98544201What the fuck
So in lets say Warmachine MK B, bulletpoint ideas:>Keep the damage grid, and retain the "system knocked out" stuff. Bouncing back from lost systems should be hard to do, but in turn getting systems knocked out should in turn be much harder. In fact destroying Warjacks, or weakening their operations should be difficult and extensive.>With Warjacks being harder to destroy, give more stuff abilities to "wrastle" and slow them down or get them out of the way. Make power attacks (and returning the ones slowly stripped away from the game) more meaningful, and in turn make STR more meaningful. >Infantry maybe doesn't do bonus damage on a charge? If dealing with Warjack targets, give them special maneuvers to execute. So like say Mechanithrall Swarms don't just shred warjacks, but can pile-up on them to pin them.>Assume a baseline scenario play, but make scenarios not just point control. Execution of missions?>Rebalance focus so that its rarer (less easy sources of empower), but powering up a Warjack is more meaningful. And don't make their basic functions a point sink.>Id probably rework fury to be an actual risk management mechanic and not just Focus 2.0>Let abilities be more thematic, but give someway of compensating for innate disadvantages. An issue that arose in MKII was say Undead immunities meant that using things that only affected living targets where bad. So over time you just didn't take them. Id like those thematic abilities to remain (Strangle gas), but some way of customizing your list with model agnostic options so that you can take anything and still have a chance. Maybe cards, maybe equipment you would place on the board. But also rebalance abilities to avoid the "Stealth Vs Truesight" problems.>Stay away from colossals. They shift the game to dealing damage, instead of wrastling.
>>98543059Just play warmachine mk1, 2, of brawlmachine? Or play a narrative. Like an actual one. Plan it with your player(s) and say what the objectives are, what the limits are etc.Warmachine has some of the fluffiest, role playing enabling rules of all the mainstreamer games even now.For example, if you wanted to do a narrative about a new Farrow Warlord infiltrating Khador why not just play a narrative set of games where the Farrow player brings suitable units like commandos and brigands and khador plays units that defend the borders in lore, there are tonnes of them.Each game have a fun objective and afterwards look at the narrative and what you'd really bring to the battle. Forget about the meta or crazy combos, if they happen its awesome. Don't overly plan it.This set up works for Orgoth invading Imoren and the storm legion having to deploy forces to stop the seiging. The sky is literally the limit, and I think we all have to accept that a single matched play game of anything using meta armies is only getting you so far. The rules in mk4 are still about wrastlin and headbutts and throws, way more than something like 40k or konflict 47.
We need to cast the Warmachine players into exile.
>>98544274Warmachine hate always comes across as jealousy that it actually got popular, had lots of lore, and fun game play but lots of smaller games crumbled much faster.I dont play warmachine but the rules look incredibly fun compared to all the flavourless generic gunk out there and some of the armies and models are very creative and would be glazed if released for any other game.
>>98544288E X I L E
>>98544288I never played it nor did I much care for the Warmachine models, but Hordes had some excellent models I bought to use in other games. Apparently that part of the setting/franchise has been completely killed now?
Warmahordes was just the start of the yanks getting their way with miniature wargaming and now 80% of it is nu40kThey started this shit.And I say that as a Brit that bought the MK1 remix rulebook and a pile of metal Cygnar
>>98543964>were largely symbolicIn case of the Home Guard and Kokumin Gyotai nonexistant, as neither formation took part in combat, except some units on Okinawa maybe.Still, they existed. So what is wrong with someone making minis of them?Or would you never use a Maus or Jagdtiger for tabletop? Their contributions were largely symbolic, and greatly overstressed....>>98544201The shit happened to that resin surface?
I think Gruntz is just a better Warmachine.
>>98544324>GruntzNever played it, some tidbits about it? What do you think makes it a better warmachien, and more important, can you make a fantasy game out of it?
>>98542303At this point I'm basically just putting them out of their misery. They deploy from the blip, they run for cover. I shot them through cover. They die.I've had one guy die and another guy get wounded for the entire campaign so far.That said, I've yet to deal with anything with good Toughness scores and armour yet. So we'll see what happens then.
>>98544330It has no warcasters and their feats with warjacking off, it's 15mm hard scifi platoon game with a strong unit builder
>>98544363Hmm then it isn't that useful to me, do you think it could be easy to convert to fantasy, or too much work?
>>98544311No, they just rolled the game under one name, to avoid confusion to new players. It was never really is own game, so the idea of having two brands that played together and had only small differences between them no sense in the long run. The last 3 armies they put out have all been Hordes armies.
>>98544386>fantasyThat's already going native warpath.The caveat is that it's Indigenous Fantasy, Mayans vs Maori that sort of thing.
>>98544386I wouldn't bother.
>>98544400Ok...>>98544399NEver heard of it, its like the good parts of warmachine?
>>98544417No clue. Uses 1d6 instead of 2d6 though, and it's more focused on the units rather than the spirit beasts.So no, probably not what you're after.
>>98544427Heck, I just want a more granular of gods and mortals, shouldn't be so hard to find something like that...
My brother is interested but I've always told him the vibe does nothing for me, so can someone sell me on Warmachine? I see it discussed here all the time but the only thing I know from it is the word Warjack.
>>98544457Its hard to sell warmachine, because its in a weird place, a far call from what it was, expensive for what the minis are, lots of burned up players than only have bad things to say about it, but hte basic game is fun.
>>98544473>hte basic game is fun.Care to elaborate?
>>98544457I'd tell you it's a game with solid balanced rules, plenty of unit and model variety, and rather expansive lore... but if it's not vibing with you then none of that really matters. What exactly HAVE you seen is a better question, and what kind of fantasy-anything appeals to you typically?
>>98544490You could to lots of crazy stuff like slaming, lots of cool power, lots of different monster (I Prefered hordes), the setting was fun, but I never played it more than a few times so I?m not the best to talk about it.
>>98544313Mk4 has fully 3d terrain they even sell 3d terrain files for most factions so you could have thematic boards.
>>98544315It's just dirty. Someone must have had it on a shelf for years, it was dirt cheap on ebay and I think it's plastic. I'll give it a bath when I paint it
>>98544490Both armies are like puzzles for the opponent to solve where most models are combo pieces that tend to interact with each other in some way and a leader model that can completely change how the whole army plays due to their array of spells, once per game super power, and innate abilities. There's also multiple win-loss conditions, so it's not just sit on point to win or simply route to win game. >>98544543Mk4 in general been pushing hard both on dense and 3D-heavy terrain.
>>98544235If you want to look at how power attacks should be handled, look at MonPoc. It handles them much better.The problem with the power attacks in early Warmachine editions was simply the cost of opportunity was to steep. Ignoring MK1's insane penalties to hit on them, you have to look at what they are trading to use them. The basic warjack was designed around having 2 attacks and having access to 3 Focus to compensate for the lack of action economy. Most of the power attacks were designed in mind that the jack would give up their initial attacks to trade for a utility of some kind, then use Focus to make up for the lost actions.The initial issue with that is PA cost a Focus to use, so you are already done one on your extra action economy. The second issue is with the cut PAs, they were also situational. An arm lock needed your jack to have an open fist weapon, which limited what could be put on a jack weapon wise. Headbutting was trading your initial attacks for something that just helped later attacks, but you were already down 3 potential actions (I don't remember if headbutts cost Focus, but most of the time, it has being used in lieu of charging in, so Focus was still being spent to get there).In MonPoc, the output of either a basic action or a PA is the same, so what PAs bring is situational utility that can pay off more. I remember having a game where I suplexed a monster into a building that exploded, so not only did I get the situational benefit of moving their piece over a simple attack, I compounded the damage with extra factors. Warmachine doesn't really do that outside of slams and tramples.
>>98544497>What exactly HAVE you seen is a better questionI've seen some Warjack models back when Beasts of War was still an outlet I payed attention to. Generally I'm down for just about any fantasy. At the minute we're gearing up for Age of Sigmar 1st Edition Elves vs Industry. >>98544556If you can give a brief example, how are these things reflected in a game of Warmachine?
>>98544554It's the old privateer press plastic, the model is a Mule. One of the more popular jacks in the army with an AoE gun that, if you can roll a critical, can do some fun pushing around of your opponent.
Been some time since I heard anything from the Song of Blades and heroes, have they done anything with the game, or its dead?
>>98539641We Wargame is that you?
>>98544497The vibe thing always interests me because it's a game that has something for everyone like many great wargames do. If you like beastmen in warhammer, or orks, then thornfall alliance is a good match. Slaughterhousers are like pestigors, they have big dudes with robot claws like ork nobz.Or if you like the silliness or orks theres trollkin. If you like nature there are orboros or old umbrey now. If you like ww1 or ww2 theres trenchers and khador stuff. Vampires covered, robots covered, pirates covered, skeleton pirates, dwarfs and more. Menoth has the religious oppression thing the imperium in 40k has downTell me what you look for in a miniature faction and ill try to find a warmachine army to suit
>>98539563my guy just put paint on the model , the details do all the heavy lifting just dont slather it with paint
>>98544598Forgot the pic. Pic is slaughterhousers. A lot like bestigors from beastmen but pigs instead of goats
>>98544572Thanks man. The model is really great, I might get a unit of mercenary guys like steelheads to go with him as a little display.
>>98544438what are you looking for exactly
>>98544585what is there to be done with itisn't it ancient at this point
>>98544674Something than feels like Conquest of Elisium/Dominion 6, so a bit of cool monstes, units and "Heroes", warmachine is too imbued in the setting, and of Gods of mortals, while god, is a bit too "simple" and with no granularity and I don't quite like the basic system.
>>98544568An example would if you were playing a Hellyth army. Health is a general caster with an emphasis on boosting ranged elements in her army, as well as giving ranged protection. She can cast spells that protect your melee units from enemy fire as they move down the board, while allowing her warjacks to have an easier time hitting the enemy at range. And her once per game super is a flat debuff to nearby enemies' defense and a boost to yours.You can then take the same army and switch her out with a different caster, like Hazaroth, and it plays completely different. Now you have a meaty beatstick caster that's all about buffing his warjacks, but doesn't bring the protection to his troops that Hellyth did.
>>98544716Conceptually that sounds rather cool. How does it typically fare in practice? I like the idea of supporting melee fighters while buffing your suppression units.
>>98544759Pretty well, almost every army has both styles (from anon's example) of gameplay supported rather extensively. For example one of armies I have are Old Umbrey, they have a leader named Maksim Azlanov who gives out free buffs to his infantry, lets them boost their own attack and damage using HIS resources, and can even bring said infantry back to life, and on top of that can replace models on death with werewolves and werebears that are a pain in the ass for the opponent to deal with. As a result it can become a question of: "do I kill his infantry who can act like mini-warcasters, and then deal with this annoying hulk coming out, or do I find other ways to deal with them." A different army I have are House Kallyss, they have both warcasters and units who can deny enemy movement, blind, and push models around, which can play around that. There's alot of push and pull in every army and it's just a highly interactive game.
>>98544803I just had a look at the store page, and the prices are pretty eye watering. Is there a generally agreed upon cheaper way of playing the game that I'm not seeing?
>>98544836Secondhand market, since a lot of people got burnt out on 3rd edition. All the old armies have rules. If you have a printer, they released a bunch of armies for print. But if you want the newer stuff, its unfortunately pricey.
>>98544803Oh yeah, this is more legacy thing, but I've been playing alot of Cross1 (Lieutenant Crosse) lately. His whole gimmick is that he has a gun that gets massive boosts from consuming souls as ammo, and when he kills with it he can gain a soul per kill. If he charges up enough souls he can do a rapid-fire of attacks, which is really fun, and his FEAT ability allows his whole army to just run and gun on top of ignoring terrain for purposes of movement (so you could walk through a building, for example, or ignore penalties from moving through terrain). He has a spell called Lifebound. Lifebound does two things: allows the affected models to act as body-shields for models around them AND on death feeds souls back to Crosse. I typically run this spell on Devil Dogs who have dogshit defensive options and are dirt-cheap to field so it's not a big deal if they die. Thus it becomes a game where I suicide-rush devil dogs at the opponent, who hopefully do some damage off-of charge (last game they managed to almost kill a heavy troll warbeast from the charge alone) and then reap the souls when they do die to have Crosse shoot my opponents off the field. >>98544836The armies that come in box are made for 30/50 point games, and 100 is biggest size for games, so it's not as bad when looking at it from this perspective. Otherwise not really, outside of buying STL packs from MMF or playing specific legacy factions you bought off ebay.
>>98544901Sorry mixed up names, it's Crosse2.
>>98544836Ivan and Chang have a decent selection of old warmachines stuff if you look around.
>>98544860>>98544901>>98544932Alright then anons, thank for the information, I'll give the game a gander.
>>98544235If you want wrestling, positioning and pinning to matter more than damage, then the most important thing in my mind is that you make objectives where those matter. If the easiest way to score or stop an opponent from scoring is killing, then players will do that.
>>98543306That's what happens when you become driven by politcal ideology
>>98544590I'm his evil brother I Wargame.
>>98545180I thought he was on first?
>TQTried Marvel Crisis Protocol for the first time, pretty fun game. Made me want to try more skirmish stuff.
>>98545240Which mission and characters did you and your friend play?
>>98545268I don't remember the names of the Crisis, one let you use an energy attack if you picked up tokens, and one had civilians who you had to stop from running off. I played with Adam Warlock, Moondragon, Drax and Quasar, they had Doc Ock, Venom, Kraven, Mysterio and Shocker iirc.
>>98543126>I wonder which company is "taking over" Bad Squiddo's website if they're not in Nottingham>monkey's paw curls>It's Artemis Black
>>98545322Inhuman Weaponry and... something to do with the Wedding one... "Wedding Party Targeted" that's it.I had a game myself. Scientific Samples for Extracts (Red card) and Lockdown for Secures (Blue)Essentially the blue objectives have one of them turn off at random every turn, whilst the Extracts give energy when you roll a Skull, and a VP if you have all of them close enough to blue tokens.He went SHIELD with Nick Fury (jr), Nick Fury (Snr) Black Widow (2 threat), Warmachine and splashed in HulkBuster to see how well the latter two work now that they've been updated.I went Spider-Foe's as well, with Otto, Kraven, Vulture, Mysterio and splashing in Cassandra Nova.It didn't go well. It would have gone better if I'd realised that HulkBuster's ability to resist being pushed or thrown doesn't count Advances, like what both Mysterio and Cassandra can do. But I still don't think I would have won. Spider-Foes simply aren't in a good spot right now, even with the extra health and Mysterio going up to Medium Speed. Especially against SHIELD, who with Nick Jr is VERY squirrelly. Still, all the Stealth everywhere could have made the game turn into a hunker down, but because the Secure (Blue) Tokens kept randomly switching off and on it actually made it more mobile than a normal Secure Crisis Card. I will say that everyone did at least have a moment of performing well, more or less, and I did manage to use all of my Tactics cards which is usually a good sign. Kraven had a tear of a turn where he moved, speared someone. Put his movement damage debuff on Nick Jr, and then forced an Eye In The Sky card out of him by playing Surprise WebHead, but couldn't move far enough to escape an angry Otto, who basically annihilated him with a good roll on his Tentacles Attack.Ultimately he just blew threw my guys, the extra health is okay, but they definitely needed a lot more from the update.
>>98544388Well, at least the faction I liked the most visually (I think it was called Everblight or something like that) seems completely gone and doesn't have a replacement. Really goes to show you how fucking stupid having an active story instead of just a setting for your miniature game is.
>>98545436I mean their current replacement is Khymera, they still exist within lore with enough thread left to re-introduce new army for them, and the rules for Everblight are in the app for both prime and legacy.
I've been working on a solo/coop scifi dungeon crawler. You build a team of 3-6 dudes who delve into abandoned spaceships/stations, lost colonies etc. and complete missions, usually looking for treasure, artifacts, data, etc. There is enemy encounter and spawn mechanics and I have three basic enemy "factions" depending on the mission; which are 1. alien wildlife, like termanids, the flood, bug infestation, etc. 2. a large enemy, whose mechanics I have largely robbed from the Aliens™ board game, 3. Space bandits/gang/raiders/security robots. The idea is to land or dock your drop ship, infiltrate using stealth mechanics or guns blazing, complete mission, get back to drop ship and extract. There is lots of emphasis on door breaching, hacking security systems, mini objectives like disabling security system or opening secured areas, etc. with a heavy emphasis on narrative play. I took the Spectre first aid rules where one of your guys go down and starts bleeding out you can stop the bleed and stabilize him and drag him out if he's able. If you leave without one of your dudes he will be dead forever.Any interest in this type or game and anyone who is willing to read it over or play test it?
What’s a miniatures agnostic game that wants you to kitbash mechs?
>>98545436You can thank the Chinese for that.
>>98544236>Just play warmachine mk1, 2, of brawlmachine?They all suck at their intended purpose?>The rules in mk4 are still about wrastlin and headbutts and throws, way more than something like 40k or konflict 47.Their increasingly not. I don't want to deal with the Fane, or the new armies with complicated gimmicks. And because Warmachine fans are loyal only to power, I expect them to mass profiltrate quickly, just as old Umbrey did.>>98544836>Is there a generally agreed upon cheaper way of playing the game that I'm not seeing?The new owners are heavily in debt. I view them with suspicion. But their releasing stuff for 3D printing on the cheap.
>>98545692>The new owners are heavily in debt. ???
>>98545692Fane is too complicated to catch on like OU did.>>98545703SFG had a lot of not so successful projects before they bought Warmachine.
>>98545727Ok, but where are you getting heavily in debt from?
>>98545736IDK, I'm not that anon. I do know they seem to have over produced the Dark Souls game, since I've been to a few FLGS that over stocked on it and couldn't move it. That also could just be my area, I live somewhere where you can find a board game store every few miles, so the area might very just been over-saturated.
>>98545491I'd be interested in that. I don't play much solo games but coop with the wife is fun. Where'd the generator terrain come from? Looks good.
>>98545647Gamma Wolves. No specific models but fairly distinct factions with a few different sized mechs as well.
>>98546021I printed it all from here >https://lv427-designs.com/
Holy shit kek
>>98546095Lmao
>>98544313I don't get using much flat terrain with 28/32mm. With "epic" ecales it works quite well but nobody is pulling that true line of sight bullshit at 10mm
>>98544313>Yanks>BrexitRent free. Are bongs even capable of independent thought?
>>98546239Its a plague that thankfully MK4 is trying to fix.
>>98546095This game reinforced for me that I need to resolutely stick to collecting 15mm metal as well as other scales while they are still on the market and just play cheap Ganesha and Osprey games with them in defiance of whatever the fuck all these people are thinking with this.If anyone truly wanted to unseat Warhammer, they would do a Polly Pocket / Army Men in a Bucket / Heroclix / Prepainted but with weathering pens / toy line version of wargaming, not by charging even more than GW.
>>98546257It's honestly fine if minis are painted and there is some scenery on the periphery, but I just associate it with people who are really finnicky to play with
>>98543959>why haven't they made female Japanese Kokumin Gyotai militias?No one's based enough.
>>98530497I'd love to play it, love the models and love tiny combined arms games. .. but alas I am not going to buy a resin printer.
>>98543306It's a fat ugly lesbian. What do you expect?
>>98546354Catering to fat dysgenic manchildren and pedos is not based in the slightest
>>98546425Then why are we on this website for fat dysgenic manchildren and pedos?
>>98544288Steampunk is for cosplaying cheeto dust mouthed cockgobblers.
>>98546669the empire and dwarfs in warhammer are steampunkjrpgs are largely steampunk
>>98546696Thags for agree with me broski.
>>98544235>>Assume a baseline scenario play, but make scenarios not just point control. Execution of missions?Personally I absolutly adore the way Heavy Gear does objectives>units have a type, be it mooks, spec ops, fire support or scouts>you are forming a squad out of units of the same type (+possible support from units of different type)>each type has its own objectives>if you pick mooks your mission is hold the fucking line, if you pick scouts you have to scout enemy units and then fuck off>if you pick the most expensive and killy units their only objective is clearing the entire board off enemies. If you fail to kill at leasty 75% you lose.
Just saw that they're splitting orcs and goblins for oathmark 2nd ed. Does that mean we get goblin linebreaker models in the future?
>>98546783>Just saw that they're splitting orcs and goblinsYe, with me axe !
>>98546388Don't be rude about her like that she's a lovely person and has some cool ranges. She's a one man band.
>>98547149It does explain all the ugly yuri vignettes.At least so Sailor Uranus and Neptune.
>>98547149She isn't lovely at all.She's a fair sculptor, but there are better.More importantly she is a politically motivated imbecile, who should be thrown off a pier and told to swim to whatever country she would prefer to live in.
>>98544315From a hobby perspective?Nothing.From a commercial perspective?Everything.Nobody will buy them, and they will be a loss on the company's balance sheet.I could also make commentary on it being vaguely laughable, and them not really meriting the effort.Like I said; some dumbfuck with a Labrys to grind.When I made that comment, I was not even directly aware that an actual lesbian made them, I just had a feeling.
>>98547335Meanwhile there's MMF stores of sexy naked girl soldiers running just fine.Hell, Manufaktura makes his bread selling naked slave girls (not prints, but resin figures).
>>98543394Face down order tokens would be nice for tabletop Dominions. Maybe face down target tokens too for maximum chaos?
>>98547489Yeah, because they're sexy.Y'know what's not sexy?Propaganda, political appointees, and people who only get into something to promote their agenda.And if they make them -too- sexy, then it becomes "the wrong kind of representation".Fie on you, may you be hanged from your own agenda.
>>98546783I'm honestly a bit disappointed with the 2e rules. Some good changes and some bad changes. Goblins definitely needed their own "thing" to make them unique, I don't think the price decreases for elves was warranted given their huge buff they got and I don't think orcs needed to be nerfed. I'm glad everything is in one book now though, that is nice.I'll personally just use a fusion of 1e rules and 2 rules with some homebrew rules thrown in.
>>98545647Flames of Orion. It's pretty much Mordheim x Armored Core x Front Mission. The rulebook even has a little section with pictures of bashed mechs.
Is Gates of Antares worth getting into as not just a game but a full narrative setting? I know nothing new is being made for it, but it seems like quite a large range of minis anyway. In a way, I kinda prefer to play a game that I know isn't going to change.
>>98546095howling. fucking these scamming cunts.
>>98547149Dude, come on.
I tried my best but I give up. Where can I find big high-res pictures of textures for custom playmats? I made myself a 2'x2' pixelart dungeon floor playmat some time ago but now I want something more realistic and scaled for 28mm. Is there any kind of pictures bank or repository? One would think RPG nerds would use something like that a lot.
>>98547862Uwaaaaaaah she's so pretty...
>>98547515This would by great.I was wondering how to do Dominions without just having it be like a solo have you and a buddy watch play out. Face down tokens for things like "attack" "rearmost" and "shoot" "closest" would be great. You still plan every turn but then you flip everything and watch it resolve.
>>98547615>>98546783Yeah, there's some definite downsides to 2E. Orcs really got shafted.
>>98543471Why are people surprised that right, now, with all the shit going on in the world, shit is more expensive?
>>98548155Not surprised, just complaining.
>>98548179How constructive of you
>>98547597How would be making a mini of - for example - a female Luftwaffe auxiliary or a Japanese lady with a bamboo spear "propaganda"?It's just making a figure of something that existed, even if in a minor role in history. As long as you don't field a whole army of them, i see no problem.
>>98548227Anything that doesn't fit my politics is tranny propaganda, obviously.
>>98548227Because these regiments existed for propaganda purposes.And they are then highlighted historically for -different- propaganda purposes.This is however, not the correct venue to argue about whether women belong on the battlefield, practically, or thematically.For my money, and according to all traditional measures, the answer is however, no.
>>98548201>Complaining about complainingHow constructive of you.Cue infinite regression of people complaining about people complaining about people complaining.
>>98547862How hr are you looking for? This was 30 seconds of googling >high res bird's eye view mars
>>98548644At least 265dpi and scaled for 28mm/1:56.
>>98548568>reeeee!Fascinating argumentation.>>98548227I think you can almost kinda kitbash these already, just missing appropriate women heads for the Japanese.
>>98547680It's an amazing game with incredibly smooth mechanics. The wargaming world really is retarded; how shit games always seem to persist, often becoming extremely popular, yet many great games fall off into complete obscurity.
>>98548750>pretending to be illiterate because he has no argumentAh who am I kidding?You aren't pretending.Go on, consume your propaganda, shit eater.But don't expect to be praised for your discernment.
>>98548660This is getting into aesthetic preferences which are always a bit wonky but 265dpi is not very high res so you should be able to find all kinds of shit. If its a mat I've never found it to be convincing enough compared to textured terrain that it mattered that much. Where have you been looking?
>>98548808Google mostly. Most maps I found are cluttered with pointless stuff like scatter terrain, walls etc. since they are designed for RPGs. There is a few maps creators on drivethrurpg and they are not crazy expensive but they are rarely plain and empty.
>>98548789You're just going "me no like, no make figures" so you get what you put in.
Fuck historic accuracy, give me big tiddy warrior women.
>>98548881fuck big tiddy warrior women yes.
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>>98548881Big tiddy women are perfectly historically accurate. I'm tired with the top-heavy women erasure.
Tempted to grab these files to have an underground cavern table for Frostgrave.
>>98548960Then do it
>>98548960That'd be fun.
>>98548960kewl
>>98548058It's been on my mind since ages but I was wondering what features would be too much or a must-have.
Can anyone recommend a skirmish level game that I can use my Space Marines and Orks in? I beg, no Nordic Weasel slop, the "Unified Space System" is terrible imo
>>98549263It's not quite skirmish, but did you look at Xenos Rampant?
>>98549263>no Nordic Weasel slopI'll just recommend Rogue Hammer, it's more of a platoon level game, but it has army lists for every 40K faction just under different names. Coalition = Tau, Star Knights = Space Marines etc etc The unified setting that Ivan made doesn't put in an appearance.
>>98549263Planet 28. Xenoforce. RT, 2nd or 3rd ed 40k with combat patrol rules. Codex Galactica. Xenos Rampant, bit closer to platoon based but ymmv.
More Frostgrave dudes done.
>>98549263One Page Rules. It's always One Page Rules.
It feels so crazy to me Warmachine has actually revived. It just goes to show no game is ever completely dead.
>>98549405>cult of Th'a Tass I can see why all the mooks are so happy.
>>98548960the ceiling seems more annoying than it's worthmaybe if you build it into some diorama
>>98549320>Xenos Rampant?Not a skirmish game but I've considered it before for other miniature gaming. I dislike having to roll to activate.>>98549361Like Xenos Rampant, that's larger scale than what I'm looking for, but I'll look into it anyway for other gaming because of your suggestion.>>98549372>Planet 28.Own it, like it, but I'm looking for something with some more structure, P28 is very much a build your own dudes game. It's good though.>XenoforceI've looked into this one before, they actually use a space marine in one of their advertising pages, but it's not for me, too much of an RPG.>RT, 2nd or 3rd ed 40k with combat patrol rules.Already done this, I think the 4th Ed combat patrol rules are pretty solid, but I'm looking for a skirmish game that is about individual model activation rather than just smaller squads.>Codex Galactica.I dislike card based activation, always have and likely always will. Downloaded it anyway for future reference, thank you.>Xenos RampantAs mentioned above, not what I'm looking for in regards to scale and activation.But thanks again.>>98549417A depressing notion, but its becoming more likely that this will be what I end up with. Skirmish Scale, Individual Activation, Lists for Space Marines and Orks, it seems to check all the boxes. I'm not super fond of how everything boils down to fighting over D3+x Objectives or a King of the Hill-esque marker. I'll pick up the full rulebook and see how things have evolved, if at all. I guess I was just hopping for more.
>>98549263>Space Marines and Orksfor a ~10v10 without Weaselslop(shame, I think there might be one or two worth checking)>Space Weirdos>Xenotactics>Rogue Planet
>>98549465>A depressing notion, but its becoming more likely that this will be what I end up with.>I'll pick up the full rulebook and see how things have evolved, if at all. I guess I was just hopping for more.Lol. never change /tg/, never change.
>>98549479>Space WeirdosA serviceable enough game, but it gets boring real quick in my experience >XenotacticsJust downloaded that, I'll give it a look, thanks.>Rogue Planet>GOT SKILLS? | Actions on ROGUE PLANET are a measure of skill. You’ll find no ‘buckets-of-dice’ or straight-line probabilities here. The interactive skill check system means that all players are constantly involved in the game, and you’ll need to work for the best possible tactical advantage or risk having your opponent counter you and take advantage of your failures.>NO BOOKKEEPING! | There are no hit point boxes, extensive tables, or detailed stat tracking on ROGUE PLANET™. Not only that, but there are no chits, tokens, spell, psionic, or effect markers littering the table either. The focus is always on the miniatures, terrain, and action on the table.>MEASUREMENT? | There are no measuring sticks, grids, rulers, centimeters, or inches used for the game. Measurements are based on the relative position of units, line-of-sight [LOS], terrain, and the in-game FX Physics Engine™.Sounds singularly terrible.>>98549488It's quite bizarre how a game that started out as one page 40K has developed such a stranglehold on certain aspects of wargaming.
>>98549465>I'm not super fond of how everything boils down to fighting over D3+x Objectives or a King of the Hill-esque marker.making up scenarios is one of the easiest thing to do, anonor you could just STEALhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I7vsyRmi3Ynot that I endorse OPRslop in any waymaybe check out off-brand KT if you are already that lowhttps://www.playrenegades.com/
>>98549462I think the ceilings are there mostly to provide a good print surface for the top halves
>>98549512>making up scenarios is one of the easiest thing to do, anonThis is fair.>MinisodesI wish I had someone to play 2nd edition with.>https://www.playrenegades.com/Never heard of this before, I'll give it a better look tomorrow. Can I get a qrd on what makes it off brand KT? I don't hate KT as it exists currently.
>>98549519no, I meant the top halvesit's just going to be in the way of playing(yeah, take them off but then why have them) while also being ugly when used as a display piece
>>98548789>woman says Nazis are bad>conniption ensuesYou've had 80 years to get over it
>>98548881>big tiddyThis is the part that gets left out too often. Their tits NEED to be bigger than their head, so I can tell they're women from three feet away.
>>98549538>Can I get a qrd on what makes it off brand KT?Actually no idea I never properly read or look up how KT plays, neither did I properly read Renegades, but from skimming over both they seemed similar. I could be totally wrong.
>>98549542>"Woman"Is not an argument.And in fact, the traditional response "Tits or gtfo" exists precisely because being a woman is irrelevant in a debate.Also, nobody mentioned Nazis, you malodorous fishy smelling spastic
>>98549405I think I might have enough catachan arms lying around to have a gooner cult where they all have one huge fapping arm.
>>98549573>Actually no idea I never properly read or look up how KT plays, neither did I properly read Renegades,Ah, fair enough, I appreciate the contribution, even if its vague.
>>98549578>literally in one of the images Just paint your Fraulein militias defending Berlin from Soviet Babes while for no reason they have support from Japanese spearwomen.
>>98548155It's not inflation -everybody knows the cost of living went up- it's pricier boxes for more models. The catch? At the previous model count the price would be slightly up only.
>>98549465>but I'm looking for a skirmish game that is about individual model activation rather than just smaller squads.Any reason to not use Rogue Trader at that point? If the reason is >its too clunky I understand. There is an alternative but its by your favourite boreal varmint. There was an anon who ran This Is Not A Test as a 40k skirmish stand in. haven't done it myself but I see how it would be easy to put together. I have a bucket of scifi skirmish games I've not made time to run yet. >Blood in Space>Deadzone, has not!marines and not!orks>F28>HoF Fireteam>Star Breach>Victory Decision: Future Combat >Urban War, seems setting specific, doesn't really have ork likes>Xenotactics
>>98549263Shadow War: Armageddon
>>98549592IS that the context?Whatever then, carry on.Alternate universe wargaming is hard to distinguish from bad historicals though, and you damn well know it.
>>98549683nta...you get lost on the way to /hwg/ anon?
>>98549628I do occasionally crack open my RT book and have a crack at it, and I enjoy it, but it doesn't fit most cases and, yes, it can be rather clunky.>Blood in SpaceToo printer heavy for my tastes, I don't like needing to have 30 thousand assets to play a game.>DeadzoneFun game, sincerely, but it too is larger scale than I'm looking for.>F28I desire a little more professionalism in my products than pic rel. The game might be good, but I'm not trying to find Mork Borg the skirmish game.>HoF FireteamAgain, too printer heavy. Also might have the ugliest cover I've seen on a game in quite some time.>Star BreachHaven't heard of this one before, I'll give it a look.>Victory Decision: Future CombatPlatoon scale>Urban WarI still have a pile of Miniatures for this game that I've never assembled. I'll look into the game some day for sure.>XenotacticsSecond time its been recommended this thread, I'll be sure to look into this one. Thanks.>>98549630Give me a quick run down, I wasn't under the impression it was skirmish scale.
>>98549775>Deadzone >Fun game, sincerely, but it too is larger scale than I'm looking for.Did it stop being skirmish based? I have not been paying attention to it at all. Old game I'm reminded of called Mercs that iirc had a similar grid base that was well liked but I think it tanked.
>the WGA Egyptians are actually pretty niceWell shit, they already have the chariots out too. Any game that I can use them in so I don't commit another form of seppuku on my free time by starting yet another fucking Hail Caesar army? I'd use them for wargods but I want to use the actual Asar figures for them so that's a no go.
>>98549581If I can find some good (free) kkk style pointed hoods as well I might redo them that way.
>>98549832stop it anonyou don't need them
>>98549822>Did it stop being skirmish based?It didn't "stop being skirmish" per se, it's just that the game feels more like a small scale wargame to me. It's a mechanical thing.
>>98548568>Because these regiments existed for propaganda purposes.In case of the Japanese, we don't speak of a "regiment" here, but a nationwide militia, which would in its projected shape have been made of literally millions of badly equipped men and women, expected to stop the Americans from landing.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Fighting_CorpsThat's by no means a "propaganda unit", and the fact that they of course took propaganda photos of the spear fighters during training doesn't change that.
>>98549700Nah, I find them bland.But the current climate is extremely conducive to witch hunting.And boy do them witches burn.I shall have to find a different smouldering corpse to warm my hands over.
>>98549937The woman's division would have categorically been an auxiliary at most, and a propaganda formation at the least.I think the last nation to deploy a formation of women in front line warfare was the kingdom of Dahomey.And they got raped by Frenchmen.Figuratively.But also probably literally.
>>98530329>What is the last wargame you have played for the first time? How was it?Five Parsecs From Home, an often recommended solo, role-playing wargame.It was genuinely great!
>>98549934I suspect at this point you're stuck making your own game to get it into the goldilocks zone.
>>98550042A notion I've already considered. I might well be best of exploring those murky waters.
>>98549997>I'm just here to be a shitter about historicals muhuhahahYou got run off huh?
>>98534469>But why is there so much hate for trench crusade?When it comes to me, the writers completely lost me when they started saying>Trench Crusade does not have any good guys!when the game has zealot christians on one side and literal murder-torture-rape demons from hell on the other.
>>98550005>woman's division>divisionAnon, please learn how to read. But hey, i'm likely feeding a troll here.
>>98549405The middle two figures are also Frostgrave?
>>98547149Honestly do not know if this poster is mocking her or is honest supporting post.
>>98549465The 40kuck always settles in to the most 40k adjacent ruleset possible. The psycho conditioning is simply too strong to break free. Another OPR player is born.
>>98550107Yes. Unless you mean "official" minis, which none of these are.
>>98549832Why would you give Tony Reidy some money when you don't actually need to?
>>98550224You fucking loser, grow up.
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>>98546696>>my fisher price doppydopterus airstrikes your horsies, roll.Your blood is koolaid, redshirt.
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>>98550320>>98550327It refused to upload pic. I fucking hate hiromoot so much.
>>98550088>Thinking Christians are good
>>98538296>>98538288>>98532654Kow Yokoyama knockoffs
>>98532671Oh shit, are you me? I'm just painting up my 2mm French
>>98549465>I'm not super fond of how everything boils down to fighting over D3+x Objectivesthey have lots of narrative campaigns and mission packs as well as short story packs with missions. the basic mission is just there to get you started, they have a ton more content. don't be discouraged by the haters, it's ok to like OPR
>>98550236I have very niche interests. If the little rat bastard releases hellenic style Amazons, basically an improved version of the old WGF ones, I'd probably make a wall out of the boxes I'd purchase.
>>98550418I love the guy but he was following the studio nue starship troopers boom like everyone else was.
98550361I see you did not get enough upvotes for your take on /wfg/ and had to come post here.
>>98550419I sloppily painted my Brit infantry but my French aren't primed yet. I need to clean up the brits as I was just learning and kinda fucked them up. They're on the backburner. The cavalry are intimidating me.What rules are you intending to play? It's my first dip into Napoleonics and 2x2 looked like my bag.
Frostgrave's core gameplay loop is to delve into Felstad, fight neutral hostiles, fight other wizards, grab treasure, and escape.It's a tabletop extraction shooter.
>>98550055Nah, I've actually been discussing other things in this very thread, but I compartmentalize my persecution of subhumans from my hobby pursuits.Are you a subhuman?
>>98550884Yes, and that's pretty great.For my money, I also feel like it's more thematically coherent than Stargrave.
>>98550985Yes.
>>98551052Well, try not to piss on the rug, you horrendous misbegotten freak.Or get your ideological slime on anything that doesn't fucking belong to you.Nothing belongs to you.
>>98550789I saved the pic from here upon seeing it and wincing, and reposted in to /wfg/
>>98550233I just wanna know where I can buy the cute cat wizard
>>98550361You can improve the Gyrocopter kit so much if you add in the tail from the bomber to the back and not use the bombs. It honestly fixes so fucking much with what's wrong on the basic Gyrocopter. It genuinely baffles me that GW thought that look was a good idea. Especially when there's a better build literally in the box, that looks way closer to the older design.
>>98550990Of course it is, since you have the one frozen city were your games take place. In Stargrave you can basically make up an entire planet your mission goes to. Frostgrave simply has the more defined background.
>>98550990What about Ghost Archipelago?All things equal I'd prefer a tropical landscape over a tundra one. But if it results in a lower experience then I'd rather deal with tundra anyway.
>>98546388This explains the ideology and why every single female mini is sculpted as "realistic" (read: fat and ugly)
How is Stargrave? Better than Frostgrave?
>>98552466>>98552466>>98552466
>>98552464I've heard a lot less people talking about it. Haven't tried it myself though.
>>98552471>I've heard a lot less people talking about it.I'm kinda curious about it, Frostgrave was fine, but I never got into the setting. Also, I've noticed that Stargrave has a solo mode, that appeaals to me.
>>98549026I think order tokens were be a good way good compromise between traditional war games and the Dominons style issue order before combat, then see what happens. Commanders letting you jump out delay on the resolution order, or even switch orders. Elite/special units getting access to more orders. Spellcasters with big spells needing multiple uninterrupted turns to cast. I think it's a design space with a lot of potential fun interactions.
>>98551707I haven't played Ghost Archipelago, but it looks pretty dope.Heritors are overall less powerful than Wizards, and are thematically very varied, which is cool.The Drichean expansion is cool as fuck, because relict bronze age pseudo-myceneans are just badass.
>>98552506They both do, the solo mode was developed in the frostgrave expac that focussed on the subterranean regions of the city.The mechanical developments thereof, were then applied to an equivalent Stargrave expac; the solo material is not included in either base game to my knowledge, but my boy whatsisface used the understanding gleaned from that development cycle to create Rangers of Shadowdeep, which is basically a singleplayer/co-op rpg-lite based on the grave engine.
>>98552835Oh they've both got Solo? Tbat actually makes my interest in Frostgrave return a bit, but Stargrave is definitely my preference, I'm more of a sci fi guy.Have you played either of them? I know that Stargraves expansion is Hope Eternal.
>>98552808GA and warriors of athena both fall flat with me because the lengths gone to to shoehorn special powers on the MC.He should have either kept the focus on wizards for thematic divergences like that, or made the MC's regular soldier types.
>>98553068To be honest?Yeah.It would have made it a broader high-seas adventure type deal.I mean, mandatory magic powers ARE kinda meh.Like, why is it that only magic cunts that can captain a fucking boat?Admittedly, one of the conceits of the setting is that "Heritors" are drawn to the isles because the fountain their ancestors drank from is sorta beckoning them.But that conceit is also meh.The maritime jungle adventure theme is neat though.
>>98553105I downloaded the books so I could use the bestiary with Frostgrave, and will be doing the same with athena, but unless he comes out with a core book for "human male fighter" then I'm sticking to Frostgrave.
>>98553068>>98553155I've heard this same complaint expanded to Frostgrave itself since 2nd edition doesn't have any particular support for Captains aside from "1e stuff is compatible with 2e" and a lot of players want their special mundane soldier.
>>98553346I don't see the problem with that arrangement, it's clear in the case of Frostgrave that "2nd edition" is just an editorial cleanup of the original game, a FAQ adjustment that made it to print rather than being a supplemental pdf.
>>98550789I don't need to see the post in question because you've undermined yourself by being an effeminate passive agressive faggot
>>98551288Unfortunately I don't organize my files by creator but rather in game context, so I can't say who made that, you'll just have to browse telegram channels.
>>98550098"Division" - the separation between one thing, and another.Pedantry is not the same thing as clarity.
