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>>98564526Do bicycles count?
>this is the average AoS miniSo much aura... so much soul... get these faggots to work on 40k! We ain't seen shit like this in a long time.
>>98564531>New Guard unit
>>98564538Give them plasma guns and I’ll get some kits
I think everyone is getting a new flyer this edition.
>>98564533can't wait for marinefags to pretend this is worse than their generic primaris marine #1238657 that was announced yesterday
WarCom pulled a lil sneaky on us
Post models and whatnot
>>98564540It sat there and shot people, not complicated
>>98564533if you told me this was a chaplain i wouldn't even notice
How have the normiespaces like plebbit and twitsky have been taken the firstborn squattening? >>98564526>TQyeah I do. I am looking for bike STL models to make some horseback cavalry proxies but instead of horses they are bikers.
>>98564526I like these Mad Max looking dudes.
>>98564526BORN TO BE WILD>>98564538Close.
>>98564546>thought this was baithttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/bbnskauh/big-space-marines-news/>>>>it's realoh my god
>>98564554It's too bad the faction is just retards who get a moment of absolute terror just before getting eaten by Nids.
>>98564546>It's realI'm done.
>>98564546SIKE
>>98564546>>98564557@Gork is this real?
>>98564546NANI
Marine bros do you need a hug?
>>98564546Yeah no fucking chance that was surviving, but here I had no idea it was still in the dex (guess even the dude writing the article assumed it was already gone)
>>98564564Yea
>>98564546NoooooooMy poorly aged meme
>>98564533I can't believe they originally nuked WFB just to make warhammer 40k but not in space
>>98564546>ven dread even survive through 11thlmao
>>98564575Aged like milk
>>98564538I'd love these. I wish there was a range of oddities; minis that weren't really meant for battles but would be great for fun / dioramas.>>98564546Okay now I'm mad
>Rhino is last chance to buy>RHINO IS LAST CHANCE TO BUY
>>98564546Venerable Redemptor incoming soon.
>>98564544>the dude screeching about marinefags and marinepiggies is an age of smegmarite and shitcast eternal fagInteresting
>>98564575Ah ah, that's the VENERABLE Dreadnought, I guess THAT'S still in
>>98564583I would get the SoB rhino, but I think I'd rather jump the shark and make a SoB land raider.
>>98564575I don't think this meme even survived 3 hoursKek
James Workshop is doing an interesting strategy called “pissing off their largest faction playerbase”, curious…
Was 10 years really not enough warning?
>>98564576Wasn't Warhammer 40k gonna get that too with Cadia breaking and then a big End Times event happening, but the plan was pulled but the Cadia getting buck broken stayed?
>>98564581Forgeworld used to have a whole line-up of Kriegsman that were just standing around with rifles shouldered
>>98564588Do it, I would love to see it.
>>98564552reddit response has been identical to here, unsurprisingly.
>>98564496Totally fine. We hit on the same depending on orders/cover, lasguns still wound on 5's, plasma still wounds on 3's, they still punch us on 3's, etc. Most thing don't change.The rogal dorn's autocannons and s9 in general now wound on 3's instead of 2's, but that's whatever. Heavy bolters and s5 in general now wound on 4's instead of 3's, which is a bit more important. So a few things of note did change, including the Dorn in particular which is no longer quite the marine mulcher it once was (but it's still good at it).But given that marines will have a points cost increase across the board to make up for their increased stats, I'm not worried at all. Marines are already one of the better armies with several favorable rules interactions (leadership, transports, sheer volume of options leads to interactions) and that's not going to change.
>>98564583No! I'm not ready for this expense! Not right now GW!
>year of our lord>still playing modern 40k
>>98564526>TQNaw. I had some marines kitbashed on th old Lizardmen cold ones but they were ugly and I got rid of them a long time ago.
>>98564597why do your models look like somebody vomited all over them?
>>98564533They even have old vs new wars over which sculpt is better.
>>98564590You massively overestimate how many space marine players/customers are emotionally tied to firstborn units.
>>98564603
>>98564603I just use the minis for miniature agnostic solo adventure role playing wargames.
>>98564594Bring me back. If I knew it was gonna be this normie raped today I'd never have believed you.>>98564595I have a few things to figure out first; like what kind of land raider. I'll grab the HH proteus one to fit with the fact sisters use older-ish tech, but I'm thinking of ways I could give it melta sponsons, since the HH LR has flamers for the front guns.Also wondering if I could commission a guy I know for custom doors, pimp that ride for these crazy ladies.
>>98564607that is overdesigned trash
>>98564554
>>98564607>>98564533which ever one is the older one looks better
>>98564609nta but nigga this is the 40k general, not the "11th edition GW approved and enforced 40k(tm)" general
>>98564533zamn... that staff is looking kinda nice for my black templars...
>>98564609
>>98564608People love them. We had meltdowns over fucking beastmen and savage orcs in age of smegmar for god's sake. GW has just conditioned people to accept models going away.
>>98564605Besides the dorn, those models are 20 years old. Those are some of my very first models from when I started playing around 2006. As a total noob to painting, I thought doing the home made snow flock with elmer's glue, water, and baking soda was cool and I was a real wargamer making my own bases/tank details.I could easily strip them, but these alongside a box of metal sisters in my closet are my very first models, so it's nostalgia keeping these old ass paint jobs from when I was a wee lad.
>>98564607I love my super blinged marines, but this this is a tad too much. They should have toned it down wit hthe paulrons, the scrolls, the halo and the standard. Otherwise it was good.Still painful how this is literally a ground marine chaplain.
>>98564623that's what happens when your game attracts spergs in the millions
>>98564586>everyone I don't like is the same personmeds
>>98564608>emotionalProjecting much?
Sigmarines would look better with less Gelt masks.
>>98564634Nobody asked.
>The Logos Historica Verita is a new governmental department of Roboute Guilliman's reformed Imperium. Roboute Guilliman awoke in late M41 to find that the Imperium's 10,000 year history was catalogued in an extremely unreliable, secretive, and often contradictory fashion. He created the Logos as a means to rectify this problem and create the first true reliable history of the Imperium.[1]>The Logos is made up of hundreds of skilled scholars and historians, hand-picked by Guilliman, and chosen for their more liberal views of historiography. The Logos' objectives and policies stand in stark contrast to the Ordo Chronos, which has turned to violence in response to Guilliman's reformations.What is this sloppanu40k fans must have had lobotomies them and the underpaid fanboys that now work for GW simply don't get the setting
THIS is what the average AoS sculpt looks like!?!?Age of CHADmar players... I kneel...
>>98564533Could I not just glue a powerpack onto him and say it's a chaplain?
I don't think people understand that the Imperium doesn't really dominate the galaxy in the way the coloured in maps suggest.They control a million worlds in a galaxy with four hundred billion stars.And yet especially later "lore" is always a galaxy quest
>>9856460940k general. Not just slop edition general anon.
>>98564616Kneejerk NPC response>>98564618Well thought out and balanced opinion
>>98564649you don't even talk about older editions. you just screech about marinepiggies and regret not having bought the Blood Angels tactical squad (but you sure loved it a lot!)
>>98564640Where is this from?
>>98564576>not in space Is 40k even in space anymore. Ngl if they just contained the 40k galaxy to a select few NEIGHBORING PLANETS I would care for 40k more rather than just it being all over the fucking place. I can’t tell you how much I can’t fucking care for any of 40ks planets and I’ve been in the community since Dawn of war 1
>>98564655>projecting the postMeds anon.
I wish I didn't start with Marines. Too many kits and too much getting deleted. Might have to sell them and switch to something with a tighter roster.
*B'CAW*
>>98564660>in the community since Dawn of war 1>Dawn of War 1>in the communityReddit way of thinking.
>>98564655>It was just another shitpostI'm in apathy
>>98564660Ah. The Bungie Mouse Wars method. Nothing can take place besides a few important planets to the point past stories are overwritten just because writers want to write a story and it needs to override another.
>>98564603Can you mention better wargames for reusing 40k models?The impossible mode is not saying a previous 40k edition.
>>98564583its in so many combat patrols there is zero reason to be worried.
>>98564645He is literally me fr fr
>>98564669>tfw she never said "Apathy is death", it was an illusion of her from Korriban
>>98564645This meme makes me smile every time.Is it canonical that guilliman just wants to be a farmer?Wasn’t guilliman’s role to reconstruct the imperium’s state to be a good functioning government if all went well for big emperor’s plans?
>>98564664Did you ever share you method for such nice bone coloring? Might have missed it last thread.
>>98564583probably just getting a retool and new mould to make it easier to assemble>also less customization options (sold separately)>will still be the same price though :^)worst case is all rhinos get pushed to chaos only and all marinefags will be wholly forced to play eldar marines.
>>98564687It's canonical, obviously though it won't ever happen.
>phone right side up>preview image right side up>post>image sidewaysOk moot>>98564689>>98562362
>>98564679You wouldn't know the first thing to do away from the internet, cur
>>98564677What’s the best rhino-having combat patrol? I need a rhino for my dangles
Explain this
>>98564695Newfag
>>98564677Retard, it's in combat patrols because they are clearing stock, this is the opposite of a good sign.
>>98564676>not wanting to play 4th with 3rd army rulesok.jpgWhat kind of 40k you want then? Because even GW has random things like Shadow War Armaggedon, while more classic games like Xenotactics or Xenos Rampant are usually dismissed here.
>>98564658Man it must be uncomfortable inside that thing.
>>98564695Ty Chadworld enjoyer
>>98564705Neither of them is riding a box-shaped bike and are therefore verboten.
>>98564711Nah they're basically swimming in amniotic fluid. It's dope.
Let's see if this works.
Looking for ideas.All non infantry squad units are running melee (Acolyte models). Running Aberrants as Ogryn feels off so I'm considering just making the unit.Suggestions rules wise?
>>98564583Jesus they're really moving like it's Order 66.
>>98564705>No tactical rock>Great pose, characterful, grounded.vs>Newslop action pose>the horse is stepping on a fucking rock???Chaos warrior fags got so lucky with the TOW refresh, I'm still in shock that GW can do good stuff. It's not perfect but fuck if it's not going in the right direction for once.
>>98564717What website is that?
>This product will be leaving our range soon.farewell, sweet prince.....
>>98564700Not going to lie I'd probably have withdrawal for a month or two, but I'd manage. I have done actual farm work and I work construction, no stranger to hard work.
We did it.
These mfs purge sm jets and i bet they will purge crimson hunters and razorwings in the same way
>>98564724They'll just switch it up to the Deimos wont they? It's not legended yet.
>>98564723New Recruit. It has had 3rd edition army rules for ages now. It was updated like 12 days ago too. (minor correction like missing text and such)
>>98564718Finally.
>>98564708sure but that part doesn't matter, there is ample supply in the market. GW is likely making a new rhino kit, The old one uses a ton of plastic and fits together about as well as you would expect of a 20+ year old kit. >>98564702they are in a bunch of chaos combat patrols (red corsairs, night lords, death guard, maybe another box iirc). You can probably ask around and buy someones rhino sprues for cheap.
>>98564607Fatcast are underrated but this one isn't one of them
>>98564715This. Just look at him. So peaceful and comfortable.
A giant chicken eats your intercessor. (It's actually a falcon that just shot its pulse laser)
Did a little kitbash from a bunch of CSM bits I had laying about. What colours should I paint him up in?
>>98564745>it's going away>nah it's in combat patrols>that's sign it's going away, retard>urm actually it doesn't matter and there is supply and we're getting a new one and it was shit anywayShift the goalposts directly up your ass mate.
>>98564765Word bearers
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98564586>>98564544>>98564533this is just a primaris ancient.>>98564660>I've been here since 2008!Once a newfag always a newfag
>>98564546Meanwhile the dorky little helbrute is expected to stick around forever which looks hilarious compared to the latest jumbonaughts.
>>98564540>released during covidNever had a chance
>>98564743Good meme anon.I’m reminded of this now I still listen to.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BtXec1z00pMStar Wars music oddly fits for warhammer 40k strangely enough.Would have one of them usable for my warhammer 40k dudes.Though I’m more in favor of the bad batch reveal trailer’s music. I don’t know if it ever got official public publishing. I like the Spartan like vocal noise in it.>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SAKTQAyXFMI&pp=ygUXQmFkIGJhdGNoIHRyYWlsZXIgbXVzaWM%3D&ra=m>chaplain with executioner swordCanonically can that hour glass device speed up time including slowing it down?
>>98564546I should buy one.
>>98564540No one will remember this after a month.
>>98564692>probably just getting a retool and new mould to make it easier to assemble>>also less customization options (sold separately)>>will still be the same price though :^)>worst case is all rhinos get pushed to chaos only and all marinefags will be wholly forced to play eldar marines.bumped from 60 bucks to 100 bucks and the new rhino is now land raider sizedThe new land raider will be baneblade sized
>>98564767I don't know why you're so upset dude, these aren't shifting goalposts. GW isn't going to send something to legends that they are putting into combat patrols. They have never done that, not even with the OG start collecting! boxes.like really sit down and think to yourself what the most likely course of events are going to be. Do you think GW is really going to get rid of one of it's most iconic vehicles? fuck no.Same with the land raider. You will see an updated kit before you ever see it squatted.
>>98564776>Games Workshop, anon said it again>delay it
>>98564784Since I mostly play 4th, it always crack me up to see the oversize models of today.Like dude we are suppose to be playing with miniature models not action figures.
>>98564801>bompe ze model price by ten percent>get ze paints as vell
>>98564711That's from gundam, isn't it. That part was weird, gundam isn't usually that ghastly.
>>98564803Scale creep will make us play with action figures soon but without the posable toy action part.Trust the plan and science.
>>98564803Yeah I think they're supposed to be game pieces, but some of them are so unwieldy and oversized that it can be frustrating sometimes.
>>98564800>I don't know why you're so upset dudeNot reading the rest, make sure those goalposts are way up your ass where they belong.
>>98564803Normalfags never liked miniatures. That's why they made them bigger and why soon they'll come pre painted
>>98564722you're definitively right
>>98564655>you didn't panic buy it so you're a secondaryYou still haven't said anything about the speed freeks army I posted btw.
Hmmm… today I will go buy a box of cadian shock troopers or HWS
>>98564583>RHINOS RHINOS OUR ENEMY IS PANIC BUYING METAL BOXES
Taking the blue ork pill with the armageddon orks, still a WIP. What should I do with the base? Standard earth and grass? Savannah? Sand?Also post models I guess.
>>98564809Oh the super wide models that use up too much space on the table.Like for example this models are the same idea, human with wings. One is a bitch to play on the table with its spread open wings while the other is big but still mostly contained within its base.
>>98564806Thank you for making the official warhammer paint prices more unbearable, Bog.Armypainter will be number one mini painting hobby paint brand soon.And you anons will assist in that or be left dead with more holes than Vallejo more like failejo’s paint job bubble marks.
>>98564829a reddish ground. Will contrast nicely with the blue and green bits. Maybe not Martian earth but a sand like base painted red will do just fine.
>>98564835I really dislike how models being so enormous means that terrain and map layouts have to be designed around them navigating the place, but I guess that's just how it is.
I haven't posted on /tg/ in almost a year but today I came back to laugh at you 40ktards. How does it feel to be paying premium for slop that the slop chefs are actively making shittier with every passing day?
>>98564705what is weird is that the model on the right was released for the 3rd ed of the game and it looks and feels a lot like the chaos warriors/knights of the 2nd ed, but at the very same time GW also released all new warriors and chosen for the 3rd ed which had a different look overalltwo steps forwards and one step backwards, gw
>>98564655>anons post about other editions>completely ignored>wonder why only the FOMO are left hereSad
>>98564834kek
Ah look my new Intercessors are here for my next game at a Warhammer™ store
>>98564797how else is little timmy going to justify rebuying his entire space man army to his parents? just look at all the detail and greebles that only exist to make it harder for people to 3D print the models (they will get printed anyways)!
>>98564851>intercessors>pyrecasterNuh-uh
Rhino bros don't worry, I just remembered the box comes with the sprues for a razorback so they can't sell the Rhino kit as is, expect a new box + 20% price increase soon.
>>98564851>not using models from epic
>>98564829Is that another le ork I see? XD
>>98564853Have 3d print sculptors got the hint that greebles are bad?Seems harder to find greeble messes.But some of anvil industry’s newer stls look a bit greebled a bit too much now.It worries me as they are/were pretty good at keeping things simple.On the topic of 3d printing warhammer minis or proxies for them.Who here has used water washable resins? Any good ones? I mostly see that water washable resins are brittle but I’m not sure if that is still the case.
Guard still having the best vehicles let’s fucking gooooo
>>98564750another perfect day to not be claustrophobic
primaris models have gone long past the point of needing to be mounted on 40mm bases for even standard marines
>>98564722I believe that some of the people who used to sculpt for Forge World are now working on The Old World team
>>98564807During Seed you could see people's bodies explode when exposed to certain weapons
>>98564583This is because it's bundled with the Razorback, right?
>>98564869Not for long anon.Enshittification comes for everything.The guard will be the second last holdout with orks being the last because their whole thing is goofy scrap machines in a good way.
>>98564853Little Timmy has only ever known Primaris marines.
How it feels to have a primaris army right now
>>98564846I don't usually don't post here any more either but I came back because I remember all the old threads back in 8th edition. Everyone knew these changes were happening. most of what got cut was slop >Tactical Squad still has proxy rules. people have had a decade to prepare.>Devastator Squad still has proxy rules and became the Desolation squad and hellblasters>Suppressor Squad was slop they gave up on making into a multipart kit, now counts as a cooler looking version of inceptors>Pedro Kantor was one of the last finecast era models iirc and will probably get replaced >Uriel Ventris has been replaced by titus in lore>Centurions are gone, like most people wished they were>dreadnoughts have been replaced with 3 different flavors of dreadnought>Razorbacks, predators, vindicators, etc were all replaced with new heavy tanks>space marine flyers hadn't been given competitive points or rules for multiple editions- GW is really pivoting away from aircraft and it's been pretty good for the game overall> RIP Hammerfall Bunker but GW is undoing their error of making terrain slop. Noctilith crown is next.
Anything to note before applying satin varnish via spray? Aside from shaking it like a maniac for 10 minutes that is.
>>98564757>>98564730>>98564681awesome thanks for sharing
>>98564866Yeah, the Boyz kit was the only thing keeping me from starting orks honestly, never liked their weird bow legged gorrila stance.I like how the new ork kits stand a lot better. If that makes me a coward and a hack then so be it.
Are terminators the only firstborn that will survive the purge?
>>98564901ermmm those are primaris marines inside anon ;)
>>98564901He lives!
>>98564892>>space marine flyers hadn't been given competitive points or rules for multiple editions- GW is really pivoting away from aircraft and it's been pretty good for the game overallHave you seen the ork flyers? The Dakkajet looks like a lot of fun now.
>>98564909>2026>I am forgotten>And that's a good thing
>>98564901Terminators are primaris, dummy.
>>98564901A bunch of Ravenwing stuff.
>>98564901they will transition with time
>>98564846>>98564892>haven't posted here in a year but I jumped on the occassion to let you know what I'm thinking about you guysSo that's what rent free means.
i refuse to use the f word please do not use the f word around mebecause the f word is even more damning and defamatory than reference to there being something called a 'primaris' marine could ever possibly be
>>98564645>Guilliman is such a trve Roman he's even got the urge to give up absolute power as dictator to go live on his farm
>>98564901Scouts did too
>>98564548why do all sororitas have that awful fucking bowl cut
the only reason people kind of warmed up to them was TTS
>>98564901firstborn marines wouldn't fit inside that primaris scale armour
>>98564932please stop using that word
>>98564909>>98564916They're going away this year.
>>98564548I've been putting together some cataphractii for my IW warband of heresy veterans. I'm hoping to do a land raider for them too as they're going to be my Warsmith's retinue so it's only fair they get a big command vehicle to roll around in. I know big mechanised armies probably aren't meta but I'm making this army based on vibes.
>>98564609>WHY THE BLOODY HELL IS "HERE" IN QUOTES? >IS THIS SOME KIND OF IRONIC "HERE"? >IS THE WINK IMPLIED????
>>98564645is yvraine still araund Gorillaman? or did she go to do some...other shit?
>>98564942>I know big mechanised armies probably aren't meta but I'm making this army based on vibes.I was thinking of doing the same with orbital assault force for marines... could be peak
>>98564875Makes sense, I got the impression that the specialist games team actually is Forge World after a name change and being given permission to use the mainline studio's fancy plastic injection moulding machines.
>>98564554I love that GW has model designers that know what an all-terrain motorcycle looks like, to the point off having some of the riders standing up on the footpegs like you'd actually do in rough terrain. It makes the design of the Space Marine motorcycles even shittier in comparison.
>>98564914I'm a nogames xenosfag and I know more about your army than you.
>>98564941>this year.Gotta hurry up and get going then, there's not much left of it.
>>98564945Italics on discord.
>>98564676>Can you mention better wargames for reusing 40k models?Bolt Action, Trench Crusade, OPR, Infinity
>>98564546>anon said my GK weren’t getting a refresh because the boxnaught was still in the codex Jokes on him. I still think a squatting is more likely than a refresh with my luck. They even have an out with the Terminus Decree.
>>98564875I don't think much of the people who were at forgeworld are still working for GW
>>98564949Do it. I've been playing since 5th and have always believed that having a cool, thematic army is more important than chasing the meta.
>>98564658Lmao
>>98564960>Infinity>Bolt Action
>>98564958To play devil's advocate asterisks are considered to be acceptable stand-ins for italicization where the function doesn't exist.
>>98564931Tabletop sim? Absolutely, they were a waacfag unit for 10th and that's it. If you mean text to speech the guy famously lambasted centurions on release
>>98564901New terminators are primaris scale, aka just primaris. They are way taller than regular CSM or even CSM termies who are all firstborn.
>>98564946Yvraine's done literally nothing since reviving him. Her book series is genuinely about how she's not actually doing anything and is just wandering around depressed waiting for Guilliman to call on her to do more errands.
>>98564967My only problem is I wanna do White Scars, who's whole thing is bikers, but like IDK man I'd rather do drop pods. IK there's other chapters more in line with it like Blood Angels but I kinda don't wanna do BAs
>>98564548This is why they can't squat the actual Rhino.
>>98564904Good
>>98564965Depends who you mean, either the Imperial Armour era who have stayed at GW like Tony Cottrell, or the fake grog Horus Heresy era lot
>>98564971I think he meant true to size
>>98564977
>>98564982T-TrueScale lmao
So I get why the old marines who look like they're squatting are going to legends and/or "official proxies" status, but why are the relatively new Centurions and Bunker and Suppressors going as well? Is it really because people don't buy them very much, and sales can determine if something goes to legends (or proxy)?
>>98564888>>98564853Little timmy will be 30 by the time the new baneblade/land raider comes out
>>98564984Yeah it's peak. I got the WS from the deathwatch Kill Team Cassius and he's so sick. Haven't painted him yet so won't show him off, but I really am excited to do so
>>98564815>soon they'll come pre paintedI mean, is that really such a bad thing...?
>>98564583cheaper, superior Rhino coming through
>>98564960>trench crusadeAnon…please say you’re baiting. I don’t want to touch that culture war grift game of broken founding promises.
>>98564975So what she is just sitting twidling her thumbs with other abandoned Plotlines?
>>98564997anon,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>>98564997Yes, and it's also the symptom of a bigger problem.
>>98564997Have you seen the prepainted terrain?Also all the prepainted minis will come in the vanilla paintjobs. If it ever happens marinepiggies will make the blue tide become a thing.
>>98564851Ehm, these don't look like official Games Workshop® Warhammer™ products. You aren't allowed to use them.
>>98564705chaos warriors are more impressive than csm.
>>98565004
>>98564931You misspelled Paul, his name isn't TTS
>>98564997you pay more and get less hobby
>>98564533It is my great displeasure as an Ork player to declare that AoS unfortunately Squigmogs us. They have the greatest squigs, the best squigs, some would say, of all time.
Boy am I glad I'm hobby only.
>>98564892>GW is really pivoting away from aircraft and it's been pretty good for the game overallNo tourneyslopperFucking adjust your tactics, like an actual wargame, instead of crying.
>>98564975What Primarch D does to an Elf.....
>>98565019the future
>>98565013It would probably throw some of the newer managers into a tizzApparently the Warhammer World staff are pretty good at understanding what's old and such.
>>98565025AoS and Specialty is where all the actual soul and effort is put into the models because GW knows 40k fans buy whatever slop is put in front of them.
>>98565004>>98565032Is it a mark of shame to pay for these?
>>98564912He's just a faggot>suppressors are actually cool guys!
>>98565032why is it so... sparkly
>>98564546>Mean while me with my box boys in HHTo play modern Warhammer 40k is to be one of the most fucked consoomer in existence.
>>98565003Yes. Literally. Yriel recently tried to get Iyanden to kick her out for being a bum since every other Eldar character left the Ynnari. She hasn't actually been seen or shown as an active character for years now, and last appeared in Lelith's book to briefly show how un-active she is by just letting Lelith leave.
>>98565040unless they cost something like 20 for an entire set. It could be cheaper to just get other companies pre painted stuff.
>>98564973CSM terminators are just an old kit and should hypothetically be refreshedShould, I say, because GW has a tendency to make new things worse
Feel like Primaris are going to have some shit like a flesh change or Cawl corruption kill switch eventually, I just don't believe Cawl's work can be trusted as if you at the fucking state of Alpha Primas living in permanent suffering because he got 'too many gifts' from his father. It's an implosion waiting to happen.
>>98565004>>98565032Looking at this thing hurts my eyes, I hate the weird fake "texture" on it.
>>98565043because it's of the future
>>98565050They'll have to replace them with obliterators instead, or little obliterators. Everything CSM related needs to be fleshy.
>>98565000He asked a better game to use 40k models in, ie. asked for rules.You can still just ignore TC's dumb setting and internal drama.
>>98565048I now want to know how good pro acryl’s newsh is compared to oils/enamels.So I can speedpaint terrain if that is possible.
>>98565051Let me guess, you're coping that it will lead to primaris extinction and the firstborn coming back but in the new scale.
>>98565032As game pieces these look fine and are a wild improvement on the 4 gajillion (usually unpainted) 3d printed L shaped ruins I've been subjected to look at for the past 3 yearsI'd never use them for display purposes, though
>>98564687GW writers aren't smart enough to know very basic lore of Rome like Brutus (the ancestor), Cincinnatus or Diocletian, they only know Romans=mean dictators and emperors
>>98564645actually this does remind me of one thing which is that the self-proclaimed 'highest iq man in america on record' got rich enough to buy a ranch in montana and that's where he lives/what he does.Farming seems bad though if you're retarded.
>>98565057Tc isn’t even a good alternative for 40k because it’s scale to my knowledge is smaller and no vehicles either.It might suffice for kill team at best.As for that stuff that can be ignored it still feels wrong to give tc attention. Other /awg/s deserve attention instead as again tc is broken promises and a culture war grift game at this point.
>>98565062Nah, I'm just trying to figure out how GW is going to knock Guilliman down a peg or two in the long run because he's been far too successful overall, especially literally tearing a wound into the Garden of Nurgle itself channeling Big E through himself. Primaris corruption seems like one of the obvious choices.
>>98564705Oh boy, two cakes!
>>98565050>CSM terminators are just an old kit and should hypothetically be refreshedMain thing they'd need is just GW unfucking their anatomy since it looks like their arms are coming out of their heads. Making CSM termies primaris scale wouldn't make sense, since again they are firstborn, and firstborn are shorter than primaris.
>>98565053in the glitter sparkle of the far future, there is only FABULOUS *3 snaps and a head bob*
>>98564900I mean sorta but as a 3rd edition boyz defender who acknowledges the set did need a worthy replacement if only on the grounds of how badly the mold slipping had gotten over the decades, you are picking the right time to get into it. The treatment of the new boys, both ETB and the MP kits, is as good as I could ever expect from current GW and has not lost much character at all compared to the 3rd edition ones. More importantly, fuck those god awful 2021 sculpts, good fucking riddance.
>>98564995thats why little timmy junior will be buying the primaris land raider, primaris rhino, and new secundus marines that are even bigger and tougher and stronger than before!
>>98565084Odd color scheme for Iron Warriors
People actually like firstborn? They look goofy ass hell.
>>98565051I think something like that has already happened with the Armageddon box having some firstborn callback designs.For whatever reason very few cared about using the space wolf blood claw and grey hunter parts for “jury rigged primaris armor” until now.I posted about it with “Sanctus pattern” being full primaris armor and “Nihilus pattern” being the jury rigged with firstborn callback pattern armor.But I can see GW coming out with “ultimaris” space marines eventually making the primaris obsolete.
>>98565062Nah, it'll be Secundus marines who are even biggerer and strongerer
>>98565101Every day we inch closer to the Inquisitor size models for regular 40k
They had to get rid of the Predators and the Vindicators because they continue to mog the Primaris vehicle designs. >>98565101They aesthetically are designed much better than Primaris. They are just in a different (heroic) scale. If you had truescale firstborn, they would mog primaris every time.
>>98565026>be me>procrastinate on my army>I should start painting my guys before 11th comes around, that way I can play a game in 10th and get a feel for how much things improve>see 11th reveal>it's 10th in a new hat, just like the new intercessors>lose motivation>finally pick up enough motivation to paint again>yesterday happens>lose it all againThe squatting doesn't even affect me, it just feels like total shit.
>>98564912yea some are going to stay I think, the helldrake doesn't seem like it is going anywhere either.>>98564919I've been coming here since maybe 2007-08. It's rent free cause this was where I hung out when my life was shitty and I had nothing going on. My life is good now and I stop by from time to time.>>98565029I think the bigger problem was making a flyer feel like a flyer on the tabletop and they came from an era where balance meant that every army had to have an equivalent for everything. it isn't good game design. >>98565042I think when compared against inceptors they are cooler but thematically they don't make a lot of sense when it's mostly gravis units that hold the heavier weapons.
>>98565094>>98565107>finally finish painting my Secundus army>GW announces Tertius Marines
>>98564990Suppressors would require designing a new multipart kit, and they were so disliked on release it probably isn't worth the effort. Centurions were the last firstborn scale models, and similarly an unpopular joke unit.Bunker doesn't sell and has bad/boring rules.
GW should just admit Primaris were a mistake and that they are redoing Firstborn in truescale. Everyone (except shitters with bad taste) are happy.
>>98565127GW are shitters with bad taste.
>>98565113Truescale Firstborn do exist and they do mog Primaris.
>>98565083Firstborn don't exist anymore.
>>98565113>They aesthetically are designed much better than Primaris. They are just in a different (heroic) scale. If you had truescale firstborn, they would mog primaris every time.Brother they have no torso,tiny legs and massive helmets. They look like sanrio marines.
>>98565115I am a professional procrastinator when it comes to anything but even my models too.It is even worse with codex rules memorizing as I’ll be shit at memorizing and the short cycle and the supposed bad rules sap motivation to read and learn the rules.Maybe my retardation is more of a curse with a small percentage of a blessing.I can’t be too sure.
>>98565113>>98565133>If you had truescale firstborn, they would mog primaris every time.Behold, exactly what you asked for!
>>98565094>me finding a wife so in 10-15 years I can justify buying imperium secundus marines for Warhammer: Age of the emperor.
>>98565133Truescale firstborn frighten, confuse, and enrage the primaris newfag.
>>98565136>I don't know what heroic scale means the post
>>98565136>Tiny legsPrimaris marines have the raised chausses because they have little baby stickman chicken legs. The reason they turned into aspect warriors is that they're lanklet mc skinny inside.
>>98565037I've considered a Gloomspite Gitz, Seraphon, or Nighthaunt army on occasion just to build and paint, even though none of my friend group play AoS. Naturally, the game has its share of stinker models, especially in the human factions, but the designers seem to have much more leeway when it comes to design. It also seems to help that Stormcast, as much as GW wants them to be AoS Space Marines, tend not to hog the spotlight nearly as much as their 40k counterparts.
>>98565101Lot of people started 40k when manlets were the only thing around. So lot of it partly due to nostalgia.People will tend to fondly look back at their childhood.It's like how people can't really agree on what is the best 40k edition.The best 40k edition to any person is going to be the one they started with as a child.
>>98565143>bolt rifle>meme legs>meme torsoAnon that is a primaris with a less retarded helmet
>>98565136>Brother they have [heroic scale features]Not the sharpest tool in the shed, huh.
>>98565099I don’t get it.Can joke be explained beyond 40k iron warriors being gay Greeks after little boys?Knowing this site that vid is cross dresser bait right?
>>98565143The helmet isn't even correct lmao. It still has the droopy bloodhound ears
>>98565152>The best 40k edition to any person is going to be the one they started with as a child.Nah it's pretty universally considered to be 4th edition by people who played 4th edition.
I just think they're neat
>>98565127Badab war supplement game as a /gwsg/ which uses primaris-sized firstborn.
>>98564997>One step closer to ClixhammerLet's remove assembly too. We can do blind boxes and everything.
>>98565019Looks like the painting process uses some kind of industrial printer
>>98565147if you want to pay hundreds of dollars to play sanrio marines thats your choice but I don't think many people agree with that choice. Primaris marines are generally well liked and they sell well.
>>98565147>>98565154The retardation of primarisfags perhaps I should call them PAKis for the sake of abbreviation really astonishes me.>harps on about scale and only scale like a broken record>doesn't understand what scale means
let me guess, this wasn't enough?
>>98565152>It's like how people can't really agree on what is the best 40k edition.4th with 3rd army rules. This has been a consensus for decades now, anyone saying otherwise played is a 5th apologist and should be hanged
>>98565161Can I have pdfs of all the 4th edition stuff please?Forgeworld’s books included? May as well dump the whole forgeworld publications from start to finish too as most of their stuff seems for that era.I want to see if 4th is good or if it is nostalgia.
>>98565150Yeah stormcast basically just show up in the starter box and post launch wave and fuck off until the end of edition when they get another model or two.
>>98565113>They had to get rid of the Predators and the Vindicators because theyWere old as fuck and HH already got new kits, and GW doesn't want shared kits between systems for most factions.
>>98565157The hazard strip on the dress anon. Its not that deep.
why don't people just kitbash their own firstborn with Raider bodies and heads?
>>98565133That's not true scale, that is still heroic scale, they just straightened the legs on this model.
>>98565170ok
>>98565176I think the primaris are king poster was just a troll but besides anger was meaning to make this place hate primaris marines.It may have worked.But true old saying goes:Every primaris vs firstborn fight is proof primaris shouldn’t have happened.Period.
>>98565180Nice try james. Last time I posted a link to my 3rd/4th collection it got taken down.
>>98565127They're legally not allowed to lie to shareholders like that. Primaris have been objectively a massive financial success and the IP has grown enormously since their introduction.
>>98565179>MarkerlightTAKE ME BAAAAACK. I don't care if tourneyfags will model for advantage, TLOS was so goddamn fun. Just bomb all the tourneyfags and let us have our cool lasers and damage charts and armor facings.
>>98565188Oh,I like hazard stripes but I hate yellow.Made me think of green stripes instead, and I think most players associate hazard stripes with the iron warriors nowadays. Even though they were always used for more.
>>98564575
>>98565133head too big, gun looks dumb, no knee flanges ugh
>>98565179>with 3rd army rulesI prefer it when my Aspect Warriors aren't shit.
>>98565189Because the raiders are $68 for 5 models lmao. I was planning on getting a box but fuck me running
>>98565127I don't think we can use the primaris were a mistake cope AFTER they just squatted the firstborn sister...
>>98565161>Nah it's pretty universally considered to be 4th edition by people who played 4th edition.By the same people who most started 40k during 4th editionas kids. Which is in 2004, during which when late 80s kids started entering puberty.And most people who go on about 40k being different now and dislike it, tend to be people in their late 30s, early 40s.
>>98565152Nope. I started with 3rd, when I recieved a bunch of old 2nd edition stuff from the friend of a family member it was very clear that the current version of the game was pathetically bland and dumbed down and later when 4th came out that was a direct upgrade over 3rd.
It's okay, next year they'll announce the Scouring for HH with all the cool Mk7s, boxnaughts, etc.
>>98565223The Primaris Dreadnoughts are cool, I hope we can all agree on that.
I only have 2 stormboyz. I got them a year and a half ago for 10 bucks. I was thinking about getting more but ebay sellers were like>5 for 35 or 3 for 31and I was like no way fag
>>98565176if you have to explain scaling as an excuse for why the model looks old and gross then it's probably not good enough to be selling at 60 dollars a box. You can like them all you want, we live in a world of subjective tastes but at some point the world is going to move on from what you like. it happens to everything and everybody.
>>98565152Wrong, I didn't start with 4th but it's my favourite (with the later 3rd and early 4th books)
>>98565237Get some of the older ones cheap
I started at the end of 4th and immediately got the fifth book when it came out. Then I got back into this at the end of 9th when a GW employee sold me a votann codex without telling me leviathan was only months away. Heh.
>>98565236Of the primaris units it's one of the least offensive. I don't care for the beer gut
>>98565236I find them odd looking. With their big belly, random belly guns and absurd size for the scale of the game. >>98564803
>>98565152>if you like something I don't like it's because you're biasedCoping hard
>>98565234They're never doing that, the scouring book didn't sell very well which is why the second one isn't out yet
>>98565259No, they're waiting for the minis to come with it, HH has just taken a back seat for 40k and because 3rd edition of HH was fucking garbage
>>98564526>>98564548I've painted a few bikes in my day. My primaris biker command squad has ended up on the backburner sadly. I'm enjoying painting old stuff too much. I'll get the new captain and finish the set someday.
remember this shi lmao
>>98565203>mfw all the firstborn that came after primaris completely mog them
>>98565277turn off the ai filter, bro
>>98565259Fear not brother, for the esteemed Ikaruspattern has you covered.
>>98565282That was not a bad idea on its own. My biggest issue was the price. You could get like 50 for the price of those in Aliexpress.
>>98565291meant for>>98565254
I love the 40k miniatures and setting I just think the game is total ass.
>>98565291Why the fuck do newer models have guns everywhere.Basic dread already had 3 weapons. This thing double it for no reason.Even Sister shit randomly got a Heavy Bolter
>>98565291it's not as good as an OG, but it's certainly an improvement. Here it actually looks like a walking coffin.
>>98564942All IW warbands are heresy veterans AnonI feel like using HH models for chaos in 40k without modifying them or giving them spikey bits is a bit weak
/tg/ really like activities with rng
>>98565291>doesn't replace the icarus pod with a 2e style assault launcher
>>98565282Why would they package them as just being for ApocalypseAnd why are they wanky shapes
It pisses me off that there;s no siege primaris dreadnought
>>98565291Why the conversion kit? Why not just 3D print completely at that point
>>98565320>All IW warbands are heresy veterans Anonkravek morne is only 2000 years old
>>98565340Because the current dreadnought is a good sturdy kit to use as a base, and this way it doesn't count as a full proont for going to official events.
DAEMONCULABA
>>98565354>it doesn't count as a full proont for going to official eventsAh Troonament mindset
Business idea: Warhammer 40k " The Old Galaxy " based on a best of/greatest hits rules from 3rd-5th edition.I think it would sell well. Look at TOW. Massive financial success. There is a market for older more narrative/rpg style wargames that are less competitive focused.
>>98565084>heartwarming: gay ICE agent heroically deports mother of 3 to tajikistan
>>98565340nta but if you can have a plastic base it's best. Resin isn't there yet.Also if anyone knows where to find STLs/Scans of the OG Mk4 & mk5 boxnaught, post that shit
>>98565334There used to be ironclads, but they went away to the thunderous cheers and applause of people who dropped the game after graduation.
I HATE PRIMARIS MARINES I HATE PRIMARIS MARINES I HATED THEM FOR 8 YEARS AND WILL HATE THEM FOR A HUNDRED MORE
>>98565379I stood up and clapped
HE'S LOST ITHE KNOWS HE CAN KILLTHE TRUTH LIES JUST BEYOND THE GATE
>>98565282The children yearn for the square bases
>he's very friendly just let him sniff your hand
>>98565401>Primaris and flies, Primaris and flies, both I despise, but the more I see Primaris the more I like flies
>>98565410his most recent vid where he embraces chaos and becomes a metafag was his best by far
>>98565413>dude it's not the breed, it's the owner
>>98565413>mogged by the forgefiend in your path
>>98565106Weird question, but have any chaos space marines gotten their hands on the primaris genetech yet? Would they even use it?
>>98565166Ah yes, the 'Eavy Metal studio's "coal black skin and red eyes" means "paint Salamanders as black people" era.
>>98565413Reminds me of this.
Easy or best way to get dust off a model for painting?
>>98565399I meant more so the FW ones with siege drills and big flamers, but fuck we should have a new ironclad as well
>>98565436Brush it off
>>98565376TOW isn't selling well, it's barely afloat. The models being released are ones made before the game came out. Necromunda is out preforming it
>>98565436Water + air dry.
>>98565434it do be like that mista stancil
>>98565442Ehhh, source?
>>98565436big fluffy cheap paintbrush given over to just that task
>>98565442>The models being released are ones made before the game came outBecause.... the whole point was bringing back fantasy models, you age of shitmar obsessed tranny
>>98565436blow on it, blow on it real hard
>>98565436Those big soft makeup brushes usually do the trick.Or use a blow dryer with a cold setting
>>98565451If you make a new game you want the models made for it to actually sell, Bretonnia and Tomb kings didn't sell so they had to churn out cathay as a hail mary
>>98564784The Hellbrute looks bad even next to its chaos contemporaries. The decimator engine is roughly the size of an armiger and if you are open to using legends that also means all the heresy era dreads are competing with the stumpy little loser
>>98565451ntab people probably expected the old kits to have reasonable prices. Instead they're being sold in nearly aos/40k ballpark, you need to be unironically fucking insane to pay that for shit like TK skeletons. Also>instant and unprompted aos seetheit really lives rent free in your towdlers heads lmao
>>98565436warm soapy water, rinse well, air dry, prime
>>98565442GW themselves said in their investors reports that TOW is selling well, and that they have expanded the scope past what it was initially. It's illegal to lie on investors reports. Also AoS is being squatted as a setting lmao.
>>98565037This might genuinely be true
>>98565487>GW themselves said in their investors reports that TOW is selling well, and that they have expanded the scope past what it was initially. It's illegal to lie on investors reports.they also said femstodes were received well, and that Dominion was their best-performing fantasy box
>>98565469>>instant and unprompted aos seetheBecause 70% of the AoS reddit are trannies, trannies are the biggest fans of AoS and because AoSfags are newfags and outsiders who seethe at The Real Thing because they themselves are fakes.
>>98565101Firstborn are what youd expect an old RTS to depict the unit as(this is in part why DOW did so well for the community), Primaris are closer to what marines should actually look like proportionally
>>98565152I started mid 7th and can happily say that was probably one of the worst editions outside of very early index hell 10th
>>98565494Nta, but damn this post is unreadable as hell.
I thought to milk the AoS community for tears when AoS came out. Yet I found the anti-AoS side was far saltier, especially the WHFBfags and fakegrog WHFB trying too hard to pretend they're oldfags kind, thus I focused my efforts on their tears instead. So far, they've remained salty for years well beyond any amount of tears the AoS community could've given me.
Does AoS really have better models and better rules than 40k? Or is this one of those things people say and nobody really checks
>>98565504NTA but the opinion around here is/was that 7th was bad, only times it wasn't were in light of 6th edition (which is widely considered the worst edition) and very early 8th because of contrarianism
>>98565236Ye they are nice, I prefer the redemptor to the box because castaferrum looks too derpy, it looks like it doesn't even have knees and just waddles around.But seeing this upgrade set >>98565291 does make the redemptor cooler.The more blocky shapes and the lack of belly panel makes it look better.
>>98565510Nobody on this board plays anything.
>>98565504people forget the dark ages so fast and what 8th edition actually did for the game. There was once a point where a lot of people had shelved their 40k armies and were playing warmahordes as the only decent alternatives.
>>98565510define models, do you mean sculpts that you can go look at on the website, or the actual process of building the kits
>>98565306Guns cool.
>>98565515>people forget the dark ages so fast and what 8th edition actually did for the game.No it's that they wern't there for it, 8th was a massive influx of newfags, 9th was larger than that and 10th even larger than that. The people who were around for the dark times are few and far between, plus it doesn't help that the jannies will ban you for archivefagging if it "goes against board culture"
>>98565465This. ToW looked to me more like an attempt to appeal to newfags who want to pretend they're WHFB oldfags. Brets and TK were both very neglected armies with Empire and VC eating up all the attention for human armies and zombies respectively, also leading to lack of support for those two. The opening base roster was a joke, I took it for a prank when I first saw it. I get they planned on adding other armies later but neglecting some of the more popular armies and having Brets and TK? If this was 40k, that'd be like 40k got ETed then years later started doing an all xenos, no marine subgame. I knew it wasn't for WHFB oldfags except the most niche.
>>98565436Makeup brush
>>98565515>There was once a point where a lot of people had shelved their 40k armies and were playing warmahordes as the only decent alternatives.Where the hell do we go for 11th then? Every other sci-fi tabletop game is dead or stillborn.
>>98565487>GW themselves said in their investors reports that TOW is selling wellSaid investor reports are full of corporate double speak and you can't take them at face value."Well" in this case can mean anything from >it sold so well our company's future is secure for the next 100 yearsto>it sold like 2% more than we expectedIt's most definetly closer to the latter.
Reminder that AoS is a testbed for 40k rules. They try things out there and later put them in 40k if liked.
>>98565528>This. ToW looked to me more like an attempt to appeal to newfags who want to pretend they're WHFB oldfagsFantasy only stopped being a thing in 2015 and TOW was announced in 2019No matter how much you lie to yourself, I still have all the stuff I bought in the 00sYou will always be an obvious tranny newfag with your weird tranny discord you use to shit up /tg/, you will never be a real woman or have a real setting.
GK are the last real marines left
>>98565534>Where the hell do we go for 11th then? Every other sci-fi tabletop game is dead or stillborn.no one here plays, so we will be sitting here bitching for all of eternity. In mid to late 8th when TTS really boomed, this board knew that the concept of remote games meant an extinction to the armchair strategists of old. So this thread had to discount TTS to avoid it being an easy avenue to call people on their bluffs.
>>98565376>I think it would sell well.It really wouldn't. It'd just confuse players "why are there two 40ks now? i thought horus heresy was the other 40k?"Also nevermind that GW genuinely can't afford to make it anyway because they literally lack the production capacity for it.
>>98565534trench crusade has a lot of interest in the US,now that they are getting plastic kits I think you will see more stores promoting it.
>>98565549>Also nevermind that GW genuinely can't afford to make it anyway because they literally lack the production capacity for it.Not to mention that 11th probably didn't sell more than 10th, so they can't even justify the investment
>>98565538They are the same ruleset on purpose too
>>98565555anon, no one plays larp crusade.
>tsons has 8 characters with leader>1 of those can be used for terminators and doesn't even have a tsons kit so you have to kitbash>the rest can only be used on rubrics, tzaangors that no one plays, or tzaangor snipers that should never be in shooting range of another unitIs thousand sons just meant to have a bunch of 5-squad bodyguards or just lone dudes running around cover? If you have 6x10 rubrics and 6 leaders you can pretty easily hit 2000 points that way and miss out on what little cool shit they get like robots, terminators, or tanks.
>>98565510AoS sculpts are all over the place. Some are the result of GW just sitting a faction out and never touching it again, some are over designed trash, and some are absolute gems. You can look at the not slayers, the not tomb kings, and harbinger of decay for examples of each of those. Rules wise, Chaos is the only one I’m familiar with, and it outright feels better than its 40k equivalent. GW treats Chaos in 40K as one big mono-faction while also splitting it into a bunch of distinct ones that aren’t allowed any crossover, leaving several sub-factions with barely any choices meanwhile pretty much all the Ao’s chaos factions actually have fleshed out ranges and slotting them into each other was at least pretty easy last I checked.
>>98565494>>98565543ntab you might be genuinely mentally ill anon, please seek help
>>98565556I think 11th is doing really well supposedly GW has record profits and all that11th hasnt been out that longNo codexes even yet
>>98565543So what the hell is this? How does this appeal to the majority of WHFB oldfags? Beastmen were always the neglected Chaos army. Dark Elves beat them, Brets, TK, and more in popularity yet they're not starting roster? If ET never happened and I showed pic to the fanbase, for every>FINALLY IT'S OUT TIME FINALLY WE'RE NOT THE NECLECTED CHILDI'd hear many more>K, see you in a few months when my army's out.and even more>Fuck, if this has infantry blobs like 8ed, I'm gone.
>>98565561idk what to tell you then,besides play yugioh with people of questionable BMI and/or gender. see what people are interested in locally or search disboard for local hobby scenes in your area.
>>9856557211th probably did do well, but it didn't boom like 8th, 9th and 10th did at the time.
>>98565487>It's illegal to lie on investors reports.Pray tell, who in the fuck is going to punish them for it?
>>98565573>So what the hell is this? How does this appeal to the majority of WHFB oldfags?because they bitched endlessly about TK and beastmen getting squatted so GW decided to listen and prioritize those factions
>>98565575I'd rather just actually play 40k, before marine powercreep I was very exicted for any game of 11th I had time to play
>>98565578Good enough for them to be making record profits
>>98565510One thing about AoS is the setting allows for crazier stuff in WHFB or 40k. They're also not at the same level of risking pissing off huge chunks of a large community a la Primaris. This means they're all over the place. Some stuff is WTF, other stuff makes 40k boards envious, etc. You can get something amazing, you could get a dud. It's volatile and all over the place partially because they can try new things and do things less restricted than here.
>>98565579The investors calling on legal forces?
>>98565579Alex jones over here got conspiracy theories spinning around in his cabeza SmhTheres no evidence GW is lying about anything
>>98565584And who are>theyAre these Bret or TK players? Are these people who buy their minis? And so many of them that more popular armies aren't worth base roster? Are so many upset by TK being squatted and are willing to purchase TK minis that it's worth having VC players on the backburner?
>>98565579There are entire law firms that exist to sue companies for misleading their shareholders in sometimes small and silly ways.
>>98565101its mainly the torso and legs because of the scale their constructed, they are better kits over all because the models are actually posable (except the legs) with a lot of bits something im hoping the new intercessers do.>>98565191True scale firstborn do exist but only from third party sources.
>>98565573NTA Old World legends armies outside of pretty much just the skaven are pretty playable. Older tourney fag data, but I mean picrel is several of the legends armies preforming ar or above the level of the main factions while having pretty solid rule support. That and TOW really isn’t infantry brick spam. At launch especially it was cav and big monster spam. Big infantry bricks where kind of a bad idea.
>>98565572>I think 11th is doing really well supposedly GW has record profitsGW has record profits every year, it's how this quarterly "line must go up" shit works with modern corporations.However it does not at all mean they are doing well.
>>98565598NTA, but they're obviously on backburner because VC are popular in AoS.
>>98565466Also don't get me started on the Forge World variants, those were great.
>>98565608Theyre definitely doing well though
>>98564546This is just cruel.
Rip manlets ill miss u
>>98565598"They" are TWW secondaries who bitched online and pretended they're DEFINITELY going to buy Brets and TKs if GW ever rereleases them. I'm sure you can figure out if that actually happened after TOW launched.
>>98565610Nta but damn that just proves the point that they're appealing to less popular armies. I thought gw was a business trying to sell where demand was lol.
>>98565608>However it does not at all mean they are doing well.dude come on
>>98565608>However it does not at all mean they are doing well.Grade A cope.
>>98565606There are a lot more infantry now with the 1.5 updates/changes. These are the most popular factions.Also you can use this website for more relevant/up to date info https://oldworldrankings.com
Just finished the reddit and the cringe 2. It was alright. How did they manage to make it more gay than the first one
>>98565595>Theres no evidence GW is lying about anythingGW doesn't need to lie, being vague is enough.
>>98565621Did you seriously miss the last decade of loud bitching and demands for the the return of those two armies? I don't know about GW not actively supporting those other armies (since they aren't even bad) but it's silly to act like there wasn't a large amount of demand to bring them back for years on end.
>>98565621If you release certain armies like dark elves, vampire counts, ogres, then you actually kinda lost out on sales because people who would be interested in those armies would never consider their alternative counter parts like wood elves, tomb kings, and bretonians.
>>98565606That's good for them. I recall the small time AoS had Brets and TK they were surprisingly strong too, the Bret peasant archers had a rule simulating a ton of them firing at once thus a ton of attacks.>>98565610Leading VC fans to AoS, now that's a tactic.>>98565617I find that about Total War secondaries having a very strange view of WHFB, though even /twg/ would find them oddballs on how much they see WHFB as less magic than it actually is. But then again those guys are playing more historicals so of course they would see WHFB as fantasy no matter what.
>>98565101>retard only brings proportion because it's the only thing primaris have going on and the thing you don't need primaris to fix
>>98565600So then if they are caught lying then they will be hit with a 50k fine, aka simply the cost of doing business for an eight billion dollar company. Surely that means that they would never lie as 50k would sink them.
>>98565634Like alpha legion…
>>98565635>loud bitchingFrom who, buyers? He's right bretonnia was a less popular faction. How many bitched?
>>98565640>I find that about Total War secondaries having a very strange view of WHFB, though even /twg/ would find them oddballs on how much they see WHFB as less magic than it actually is. But then again those guys are playing more historicals so of course they would see WHFB as fantasy no matter what.Yeah a lot of folks think WHFB was this mudcore setting
>>98565635>large amount of demandDemand in economic terms implies willingness to buy. I bet a large number of these people wouldn't buy after looking at GW prices.
>>98565436Just leave it on and paint it as battle damage
>>98565649>He's right bretonnia was a less popular faction. How many bitchedsee>>98565632>inb4 muh tournies not counting for this reason or thatit's hard data of popularity whether you like it or not
>>98565642Mark 7 is such an ugly helmet, how the hell did it ever catch on
>>98565659Okay we get it you love shoving things up your ass no need to confirm it with your box posting.
>>98565515>There was once a point where a lot of people had shelved their 40k armies and were playing warmahordes as the only decent alternatives.It was me, I played Warmahordes for the entirely of "buy a flyer loser lmao" edition and "free shit, free buffs, buy a big robot" edition, only returning to 8th after MKIII killed the game.>>98565534I'm going to play Bolt Action, 1940k, because it has the designers that made the editions I like.>K47?No.
>>98565659Wrong general unless ur planning to paint them silver and run them as necron proxies
>>98565663Bret’s are a waac fag army, anon. Same with t
>>98565659Based are you me? I am planning on buying some of the TK plastics because of the upcoming refresh. Well I am either going TK's or Wood Elves.
>>98565644Bitteranon pleaseI can tell youre upset at this toy company for not making your favoritest board game in the whole wide world the goodest it can be just for widdle old you but if you could please get back on topic I would appreciate itThis isnt the lawfare thread, we’re supposed to talk about 40k
>>98565659>he actually paid gws price for those dogshit skeletonsfucking hell lmao
>>98565663See >>98565610So how much are they compared to whfb players that gave up, went to aos or what would that number have been if appealing to old whfb players and not new?
>>98565672and this disproves that there are people who want them because?
>>98565606I am legitimately mad that the Skaven will never be properly playable in TOW.
I remember Fantasy 8th edition. It sucked. A lot.
>>98565684>people want them They don’t, they want their rules. See Cathay with their 12 floating balloons on release.
>>98565663He will probably say something like>only 116,000 games tracked not statistically significant >>98565672Nah that's literally over a year ago in the meta. Right now Cathay, Vampires and Beastmen are top tier meta.Also TOW isn't like 40k. Just because an army isn't a " Core " faction doesn't mean they are not allowed. Tournaments allow all " Legend " armies to play normally across the world. Only 40k really listens to GW as to what is and isn't allowed.
>>98565672The Eldar/Tau method. Interesting. >>98565684Not him but how many Eldar/Tau players love the faction more than being obsessed with meta?
>>98564978Those molds are clapped out and GW doesn't like models that can be used for multiple factions because it triggers the accountants. The Rhino is absolutely going to be replaced with bespoke transports for each faction.
>>98565690Not reading that because you’re wrong.
Is Kislev out yet?
>>98565694Custodians are doing it now, even porting the blade champion to the heresy
>>98565685They are currently playable though? Fantasy isn't like 40k, there are no " Legends " that are not tournament legal. The community widely adopted the " Renegade Rules " pack for Legends armies and they are played in every major tournament. There are no bans like for Legends in 40k tournies. Here's just some of the top finishign Skaven lists of the last 90 days that were submitted to the database.
>>98565680I like the old skellies, they are nice and simple, modern skellies would be twice the size, 8 parts per man, twice as fragile and covered in unwanted details
>>98565687Top TierHigh ElvesDark ElvesWarriors of ChaosUpper TierSkavenOgre KingdomsWood ElvesDwarfsDaemons of ChaosMiddle TierChaos DwarfsEmpireLizardmenVampire CountsLower TierOrcs & GoblinsBottom TierBeastmenBretonniaTomb Kings
>>98565682That's a question we both know is impossible to answer through a complete lack of available numbers and you're only asking to try an squirm away from the hard numbers we have.>>98565689considering that Bretonnians aren't meta anymore that's not really true
>>98565701Kislev? Is that a planet?
>>98565690>renegades?
How feasible is doing NMM for a whole ork army?& is it true it looks way worse on tabletop then in photos?
>>98565709With now neglected those last 3 are, it'd be amazing if they're weren't bottom in 8th edition. Empire had better cavalry than Bretonnia
>>98565710NTA but I would say far more DElf players existed, especially after how meta they were in 7 and 8 editions, that it would've been a higher increase.
>>98565706>>98565690>Tournaments allow all " Legend " armies to play normally across the world. Only 40k really listens to GW as to what is and isn't allowed.why are 40k players such cattle?
>>98565717NMM looks good from one angle which is why it looks good in pictures
Can we disregard the three samefagging fantasy people and move back on to 40k?
>>98565731Then start a conversation about 40k you lazy cunt
>>98565573Most of that is the direct result of Games Workshop’s own self-destructive policy on what is and isn’t allowed to be cross-compatible.>Empire, Dwarfs, and Elves go into The Old World>Age of Sigmar immediately dumps them into Legends>Beastmen appear in The Old World>Beasts of Chaos get functional rules… then explode and die in AoS>Warriors of Chaos go to The Old World>Almost their entire old range is either squatted or updated outside of (I think) one chariotUnder GW’s own rules, if a faction is fully supported in one game, it isn’t allowed to exist in the other. Follow that logic all the way and if they ever brought every classic Fantasy faction back at once, AoS would have to lose a significant chunk of its own armies.You can already see them actively pushing the ranges toward zero cross-compatibility so they can eventually sell the old Fantasy armies again while keeping a completely separate AoS range.Remember the start of 10th edition, when GW rug pulled everyone who had bought plastic Heresy kits that were actively advertised as usable in 40k and this also included old Forge World units that originally started as 40k models, like the daemon engines and the Siege of Vraks tanks?
>>98565573GW exceptionally blind yet easily influenced at the same time. I really dislike how the ToW roster included some of the lesser popular factions. Now don't get me wrong, I like TK, but I know they aren't what most of the players want because they were heavily neglected because Vampires ate all their attention no different than how Empire ate up all of Bretonnia's. They and Bretonnia are far from as popular as factions left out like especially Dark Elves and don't get me started on how neglected Beastmen were. I laughed when I saw pic released because I thought it was a joke too.IN an alternative timeline where ET never happened and pic was shown as a 9th edition starter, you'd either get tons of anger from more players than happy, or you'd get "They'll release X army more popular than starting armies later" level cope. Anyone here played fighting games? This would be a shitty base roster bad enough to DECREASE sales among hardcore fans. So who's it trying to please? If I had to guess, it'd be the retractive fakegrog I see on forums trying to talk up factions like TK and Brets Just like how fighting game communities have "fans" talking about how great characters nobody liked and were rightfully removed were. If that kind of crowd can influence GW, then everything is fucked beyond repair for the whole company.
>>98565710>considering that Bretonnians aren't meta anymore that's not really trueDon’t talk about meta when you were posting a list that had demons anywhere other than F tier.
I am still unhappy they fucked up Bretoninia lore at 5-6ed
People need to understand that the issue with legends isn't being banned from using them, but that once a unit is in legends it gets completely ignored with dogshit rules for years until someday it might just get deleted for good like it happened to half the AoS factions or the FW variant army lists like Lost and the Damned or Tyrant's Legion in 40k.
>>98565715Community created widely accepted rules for all the " Legends " factions. Most of them buff factions, some of them (Vampires) nerf them.As you can see in the corner, they are widely played/accepted globally. You can use this website for more meta army/subfaction info. https://oldworldrankings.com
>>98565715Random Bretonnia side build army to represent the border princes
>>98565735>youthere is actually more than one person posting in here
March, I a very mid TK army (no archers, one level 3 priest, no scorpions, chariot king) and stomped the most competitive list skaven can bring (100 clanrats with bell, 3 ratling guns, lightning cannon, doomwheel, assassin etc) with the extra 600 points from SBC
>>98565746You forgot to take a picture of your boxes with your anal dildo.
>>98565746based rat stomper
>>98565738Yeah but you can always just make community rules for them and collectively decide to allow them at tournaments like TOW does.I think the biggest thing 40k players could learn from Fantasy players is that you are not beholden to GW. You can change the game if you want.>>98565735Data from 2026. Cathay is still stupid strong but the armies are mostly decently balanced.
>>98565733>mfw remembering how daemons players had it easier because daemons existed in multiple settings>remembering how some sigmarine sales were as 40k marine proxies>rules like looted being a beloved addition that also lowered barriers to entry for newbies>now GW forcefully separating so you're forced to buy new minis for each game
>>98565757>lootedOh right the took that way for some time
>>98565757>rules like looted being a beloved addition that also lowered barriers to entry for newbiesIn practice, the barrier was higher as forced conversions had a certain expectation of quality
>>98565757Yeah the golden days where you could use Daemons for both 40k and Fantasy. Too bad the 7th edition Matt W*rd Army Book was the most broken book ever released for Fantasy.
>>98565733>Empire, Dwarfs, and Elves go into The Old World>Age of Sigmar immediately dumps them into LegendsI know this isn't exactly the thread, but why did Age of Sigmar completely destroy the Old World instead of keeping it as one of the Realms? Reboots are common nowadays, but its rare for a company to just totally wash their hands of a setting.
>>98565376That’s probably just straight up where Heresy is headed at this point.>Heresy 3.0 functionally died in the womb after pissing everyone off.>GW now has an ever growing pile of old sculpts they’re just sitting on.>The Heresy narrative was already drifting toward the Scouring anyway.>The Old World already proved you can sell people their old models (or the ones they missed the first time around).>Heresy always had people wanting support for Xenos and Chaos corruption better represented >Meanwhile, a lot of 40K players are getting tired of the simplified rules and want something closer to pre-8th edition.They could pretty easily just drop the Heresy from the title and rebrand it as The Age of Darkness, and expand the timeline from the Drop Site Massacre to some arbitrary point in 40K before the modern ranges stars show up. That’s an easy slam dunk. Modern 40K can keep doing whatever the fuck it’s doing, and you get to sell the old 40K models back to people.
>>98565766I remember that. Daemons, then either DElves or VC were the top 3. And I use top 3 lightly because of the massive gap between Daemons and 2nd place.
>>98564929Helmet seals, i dont know
>>98565772>>Heresy 3.0 functionally died in the womb after pissing everyone off.non heresy player here what did 3.0 do to piss everyone off?
>>98565767They use the literal the remains of the old worlds planet for their reincarnation thing.
>>98565738legends rules are designed for the the boomers who really want to play their 20-30 year old army. But you can't actively develop rules around them and keep the active meta balanced. They aren't supposed to have active rules and are generally supposed to be sub par so if something they can do gets broken by something new that releases it doesn't ruin your local fluffy casual scene.
>>98565767They kind of half heartedly tried very early on in AoS by saying some dumb shit time dilation stuff warp fuckery don’t think about it was happening so armies from the old world world literally just randomly materialize, fight a battle, and fuck off back to the old world. That was the lazy lore explanation for old units and characters having rules and showing up.
>>98565772desu if they add support for xenos and friends I would buy into that since 30k being marine vs marine hell is the primary thing keeping me from buying into it
>>98565782NTA but the issue 40k has had for decades was that there would be old weird rules that would end up being busted, FW's solution was doing nothing they would expect you to balance the game for yourself and just not take whatever units were a problem.
Me still want botes in 40k
>>98565772>some arbitrary point in 40KEnds when G-man wakes up and the marvelication starts.
40k is a whfb prequel, surviving primarchs became whfb human gods like ulric
>>98565767AoS is still the canonical continuation of the setting before. Though they are rebooting the world next year to hilariously make it more like Fantasy ( no more Realms, just one planet/world ).>>98565772I think it's a great idea. 40k currently doesn't interest me past the miniatures because the game simply isn't for me. IMO it's awful, but I recognize I don't care about meta tourney comp stuff like many do. It isn't my cup of tea. I would grog hard and buy into a HH but 40k in a heartbeat. I am not too interested in HH because the setting and marines vs marines is boring for me, but a full 40k I would love to jump into.>>98565777The good old days, while the rules were so busted, there were so many colorful characters in that book. I loved listbuilding with it as a kid.>>98565782>keep the active meta balancedGW doesn't want to balance the meta, they want constant change to force tourney fags to buy more stuff. It's not in their best business interest to balance the game and leave it as is.
Pic is the better Scouring.
>>98565806The fact that you say guilliman waking up and not "end of 7th edition" or "gathering storm" shows you weren't around for it
>>98565813To my imperfect memory, 7th edition wasn't so bad inherently, it wasn't the core parts making things janky and imbalanced. It was the armies themselves like daemons.
I sex the dragons.
>>98565772>>Meanwhile, a lot of 40K players are getting tired of the simplified rules and want something closer to pre-8th edition.40k currently is like the worst of both worlds. Because while the core rules are painfully dumbed down and streamlined. There are so many stratagems and unit abilities and shit that it's more complex than pre 8th in the worst way possible.Pre 8th, you had to learn the crunchy core rules, and you were good to go like 90% of the way. Now you can learn the core rules and you're like 10% of the way to playing competitively because of all the shit they put on top. I would like a return to the reverse. Crunchy core rules/mechanics and no stratagems.
>dark angels coworker is so upset about losing his centurions that he's thinking about making his entire army fallen and proxy them as obliterators
>>98565813>GW doesn't want to balance the meta, they want constant change to force tourney fags to buy more stuff. It's not in their best business interest to balance the game and leave it as is.People have said that for years, when GW did the lootboxes a few years ago to liquidate the now online only primaris HQs those HQs weren't meta
>>98565780People got sick of edition churn for a system that really didn’t need it, change for the sake of change, and some pretty aggressive anti hobby attempts early on with GW trying to squat a bunch of units and options day zero which was basically asking people to butcher or shelve very expensive resin models. This was a panic patch GW put out once people got pissed they were basically telling them to throw away thousands of dollars worth of models. At one point it was getting new stuff in real time as people called them out.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/p0y6yx4s/legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness-what-you-need-to-know/
>>98565816>"end of 7th edition" or "gathering storm"nta but those are one and the same with gullyman coming back from the cig store
>>98565817Yeah 7th as a core ruleset was solid. I still prefer 4th edition with the 5th edition run rule. But the problem with 7th as you said was list balance and allies. Allies and the broken ass codexs destroyed the game, the core rules remained very serviceable.
Best Scouring coming through
>>98565816That's right, I was playing Warmahordes in 7th after dropping it in 6th. After having played since the ass end of 3rd.
>>98565831>This was a panic patch GW put out once people got pissed they were basically telling them to throw away thousands of dollars worth of models. At one point it was getting new stuff in real time as people called them out.Why is 40k the only system that doesn't get things like this?
>>98565823Stupid sexy dragon lady
>>98565842I am now sad no adaptation did that.
>>98565833No, as you can see from the thread people generally see 7th as a mixed bag. Gathering Storm was seen by the community as a sucker punch because no one was reading the lore. Back then the general sentiment was "oh the book says the timelines moving, yeah right GW would never do that. In the trash it goes" until they did infact move the timeline forward
Horus Heresy 3.0 completely killed the game in my country (Central Europe). Straight up even in the capital there is no active scene anymore.For context, wargaming is so popular here there are very active MESBG communities and tournaments every month for Middle Earth in my city. HH 3.0 completely strangled it country wide.
>>98565845NTA but I've seen many a game go more asshole than necessary because their community is more tolerant to abuse. In some gacha games, there are companies who implement more anti-consumer features in their more popular titles or fail to implement basic QoL changes which were already in their earlier and less popular titles, because they know the more popular's consumers are piggies and whatever lost players is still more than enough. Meanwhile the less popular title ahs to struggle more.TLDR: We need better standards and to be less tolerant to GW bullying
>>98565772From what I've heard, GW doesn't have the spare production capacity to be making a bunch of new lines. Its why they keep sending mediocre-selling models to Legends. They already invested all of the money up-front in design and molds, so if they could, keeping the lines running is free money. But the way their production is bottlenecked right now, the opportunity cost is too great.
>>98565854which country
I just remembered AoS 2nd Ed is reasonably respected among players
Tyranids!
>>98565854Man everything in my area is completely dead except for meta chasing 40k.
>>98565863That's mostly because it actually had points instead of "just put all the models you bought on the table lmao". It was a game, and that was a step up.
>>98565857I am telling you we need to adopt the Fantasy/TOW communities sensibilities. GW says something is " Legends " only? Ok we will ignore you and allow them at every tournament. GW refuses to update rules for something in Legends? Ok we will make our own rules and use global community consensus to adopt and integrate them into the tournament scene. This whole situation is like international law. It only exists if enough people believe it does. If people realize they aren't beholden to GW at the end of the day, and that they can take control, GW loses all its grip over the 40k community.
>>98565852>as you can see from the thread people generally see 7th as a mixed bag.It is literally just a few guys on here who started saying that relatively recently.>Gathering Storm was seen by the community as a sucker punch because no one was reading the lore. Back then the general sentiment was "oh the book says the timelines moving, yeah right GW would never do that. In the trash it goes" until they did infact move the timeline forwardWhat I meant when I said they're one and the same is that they're literally one and the same because gullimans return was a major part of the gathering storm storyline so trying to split them up arbitrarily is pointless.
>>98565846Is that official art or fanart?Did the Cathay mean warhammer fantasy has a much bigger following in East Asia now?Also the feet memes got to me and I had to check the foot of that art piece. There’s a lot of artistic focus on those feet.
>>98565845For all its faults, 40K is at least decently supported. It has the Legends system, which is where most of the no-longer-supported units end up (and hopefully don’t just vanish an edition later). The stuff that actually loses support entirely is mostly limited to Forge World characters, a few vehicles that were alternate builds, some weird army restrictions like Chaos not being able to take certain vehicles they should still have access to, and Renegades & Heretics in the modern era.Heresy, on the other hand, was actively trying to strip out a mountain of units and options with no real solution beyond “fuck you, buy the new thing whenever we finally get around to making it in a few years.”
>>98565861Poland>>98565872I am very blessed to have recently moved to this country from North America. In my city in NA, it was mostly 40k meta shit with some AOS and TOW. Here there are people playing 40k, TOW, AOS, Bolt Action, Star Wars, MESBG, Conquest, With Fire and Sword and others. Europe is the place to be for wargaming.
>>98565884For some reason I guessed Poland, I know some chums from there.
>>98565826You know what to do
>>98565675Not being bitter, merely realistic. A simple fine means nothing to a multibillion dollar company. When the consequences for breaking the law doesn't harm the perpetrator, then they have no real motivation to follow the law.And this is talking about 40k because it is james we are discussing here. They will fuck anything and everything between them and more profit and that has been effecting 40k for most of my life.
>>98565877True enough about how a big enough reaction from their biggest community would drive a response. But the 40k community is, lack of a better description, somewhere between a well trained animal and an abused housewife. GW smacks the player in the face, the player makes excuses and keeps on coming back.
If you play space marines or orks, you're gay
>>98565772GW won't do this because it won't sell as much as you'd think, and also they lack the production capacity for this shit.And no, GW isn't going to kill off Horus Heresy for this either.
>>98565727why do you paintlets parrot this cope every time nmm comes up lol
>>98565826I keep saying that CSM is probably the best way to play with old marines.It's not perfect, but you lose less units than playing with loyalist rules at this point. You also get access to HH units to cover things like the Whirlwind.
>>98565884I know only of 1 guy in my west of nowhere city in Poland asking for heresy and he got redirected to me simply due to owning the custard box to reach out if i wouldn't be interested in a HH game. So far we haven't talked further
>>98565903There probably isnt a less gay player in the fanbase than an ork player. for years they have been shitty outside of a couple very specific competitive lists. Most ork players play because they love painting funny little gitz and their fun during games come from the strange events their rolls and charges are able to create.
>>98565884Naaah our Bolt action died off too with 3rd edition. very few things happening
>>98565927Ork players are statistically the most likely to be gay. As in have sex with men.
>>98565847Be thankful they didn't. They would have twisted the point Tolkien was trying to make of a critique on industrialization, replacement of traditionalism, atomization of the community, immigration, and "progress", into a critique of "lol authoritarianism bad" and some other such nonsense.
>>98565767According to the Alan Merret interview with JordanSorcery, they were playing around with the idea of the realms for quite some time but never managed to really fit it in somewhere. Whfb was doing badly for a number of years, and they never quite managed to turn things around despite trying pretty hard (at least according to alan). So, they decided they needed a big reset and decided to use the realm idea after all.
>>98565945>industrialization, replacement of traditionalism, atomization of the community, immigration, and "progress"But anon, the point was that old and powerful people need to be raped to death like Saruman.
>>98565877NTA, but it kind of feels like 40K is heading that way in general.The app is going to start including legends units (probably in a sub-tab or very clearly marked so they stand out as a separate option). Meanwhile, GW is running out of things to update in the main ranges which is always a reliable cash boost they want. Looking at the ranges that are still predominantly old models, what’s left? Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, and Dark Eldar. That’s it one semi-large Chaos faction, a relatively unpopular faction, and a side grade Marine faction. Not exactly a deep well.There are still a couple of easy wins left, like Dark Mechanicum, but how do you keep people buying into the other armies? You dig into the backlog of old units, update them, and sell them especially when those units just happen to be the only way certain playstyles work. >Orks don’t have tanks? Oh look, some new plastic grot tanks and a Kill Tank.>World Eaters tired of having about a quarter of a faction? Looky here, some nice daemon engines in plastic just for you.>Guard need a reason to spend money? Oh shit, some of those tanks you remember from the Siege of Vraks, now in plastic buy buy buy!>Need to milk the Marine players again? What’s that behind my hand… ah, shit son, it’s a new Boxnought. You like the Boxnought, right?Even if they aren’t formally “allowing” Legends units, GW is probably going to end up bringing the bulk of them back eventually outside of the really weird ones that nobody remembers.
>Regular Rhino is last chance to buy despite not being squatted>Sister and Chaos Rhinos are notSo will Rhino get a new sculpt when the codex launches? Or will Space Marine players who want a Rhino need to buy a Chaos Rhino and need to source a Hunter Killer Missile from somewhere? Or is this because the current Rhino kit is a Razorback/Rhino and they will release Rhino on it's own once again.I also see that the boxnaught also got squatted with Space Marines. But that kit is also not last chance to buy and probably only because of Grey Knights. Heck the current Grey Knight combat patrol even includes one and they didn't unlist that.
Star Wars Legion would make me interested if they had the content I want.
>>98565873Man I remember my first games of Warhammer 40k being just "bring all the stuff you have"I would lose 100% time if I began my turn first since the only thing in my entire army that could hurt my friends Stormfang was my landspeeder. And he would destroy it turn 1. And then that piece of shit would table me turn 2.
>>98565736What did they do?t. Clueless
>>98565965they're doing mandos as an army soon tho
>>98565934Did it? We still have people playing every week in Krakow and there's a tournament in 2 weeks.
>>98565957>a relatively unpopular factioninterjection but it's hard to keep popularity through 15 years of combo boxes containing ever the same units, there is nothing new to buy. No succubuss is not new as everyone just yassified an archon or spare wych to make a succubus before. Outside of that its been taking stuff out of metal to resin to plastic and cutting down on models from 5th ed refresh. So only cuts for close to 15 years - tell me if any marine faction would survive getting flayed without actual new releases.
I don't even think it's a hot take any more but it baffles me how Protoss are just flat out cooler and better than Eldar. How does GW manage to fuck up a concept as novel and clean cut as "Elf Wizards in Space"?
With termies going to T6 I REALLY hope gravis stays at T6 too. It made no sense for gravis to be tougher. It should be the same toughness, worse save, better move.
>>98565975A massive shift really. Bretonnia's past versions included being a HYW France, overdosing really hard on Monty Python to the point of being a cereal box Arthurian, and grimderp mudcore to the max. Let's just say Stillman changed a lot and so did later writers.
>>98565957>The appI'm so fucking tired of the app and we just started. I shouldn't be foreced to use the app just to be able to play the game.
>>98565987Very amusing that Dark Eldar has the same number of kits now they launched with in 3rd edition. I don't know how you guys put up with it. Faction seems a pain in the ass to actually play too.
>>98565958I assume rhinos are just going away as a loyalist option. From a design perspective the rhino is leagues beyond the ugly hover shit, but from a game design perspective loyalist marines have a ton of transport options when most factions have like one dedicated transport and a couple vehicles that maybe have transport capacity. As far as if you wanted a rhino the heresy one is probably the best pick. It doesn’t have the razorback parts, but it’s a much better kit overall and comes with a vehicle upgrade sprue that includes the hunter killer missile.
>>98565991Protoss aren't really Elves at all. They're an ancient long lived high tech race but their caste system is more Tau than Eldar. Even in gameplay, Protoss are closer to Marines or especially Custodes in high individual power including defense, low numbers compared to Zerg high number, crap individual ability, and Eldar glass cannons.
>>98565913That's what I do for my night lords, use the HH predator. Though unless I'm mistaken, that might be the only way for CSM to get predators in the future.
>>98565975With a lot of factions in fantasy, they tried turning them into discount 40k which made them lose thier identity. Wood elves, Brets, and vampires are all arguably the worst examples of this. I would like to say tomb kings too but they dont have an identity to begin with. Of course this all happened with 6th edition.
>>98566004I'm pretty sure the Deimos Rhino won't doesn't include the Hunter Killer Missile. So unless they relist the regular Rhino on it's own without the Razorback parts the only way to get a Rhino with all weapons for SM players (Rhino wasn't added to legends) is to buy the sister Rhino but use the regular Rhino front end. But your missile launcher and stormbolter would awkwardly have Sister logos.
>>98566007>Protoss are an alien faction focused on using smaller numbered elite units, with a background of advanced technology and a society predominately led by psychic sorcerors. Their civilization fractured into several factions due to a major historical event that saw them decline from their Golden Age, and there is still tension between them.>Eldar are an alien faction focused on using smaller numbered elite units, with a background of advanced technology and a society predominately led by psychic sorcerors. Their civilization fractured into several factions due to a major historical event that saw them decline from their Golden Age, and there is still tension between them.
>>98565957Can they not also just release limited runs of alternate sculpts of popular models/kits? I'm sure they have a ton of sculpts that never made it into production for one reason or another. Do they still do their made to order stuff? They could just make "classic" style kits. For example I'd buy old school style aspect warriors in modern posses and plastic, for example the 3e Banshees are just straight up cooler than the 'modern' 4e design. Or 3e Scorpions and Fire Dragons...You don't think 'truescale' firstborns with codex compliant loadouts wouldn't sell out the first day?They have LOTS of room to make money and sell people the same models they already have. People like to feel special with their kitbashed, rare model, or printed stuff. There's a market for it. What does it actually cost them to make moulds?
>>98566020Im gonna pay you 100 bucks to fuck off.
>>98565994I'm just gonna use tartaros termies to proxy gravis.
>>98565996Did stillman improve or worsen the lore?>HYW France, overdosing really hard on Monty Python to the point of being a cereal box Arthurian, and grimderp mudcore to the maxThat sounds fucking great, what are they now?
>>98566022CSM Rhinos, CSM predators and CSM Vindicators are not last chance to buy like the loyalist ones. I think they will keep producing the Chaos versions.
>>98566007they'd be so fucking brutal if you translated their rules to 40k as they are rn. Imagine zealots with crushing impact on normal charge move with upgrade enhancement to get even more. Custards would shudder
>>98565879fanart by a footfagthere is one art where he painted 3 women and completely fucked them up and their poses just so feet were shownvery funny
>>98564526Thoughts on inceptors? I dont really ever hear anybody talk about them but i think they look pretty nice, i like the welder helmets.
>>98566037>That sounds fucking greatI had to remind myself im in the 40k general with simpletons.
>>98566004>I assume rhinos are just going away as a loyalist option.Why? They're still in the game after yesterday's holocaust which pretty much confirms they're finally going to be allowed to carry primaris which will immediately make them a straple of every list unless they nerf the carrying capacity.
>>98566003>I don't know how you guys put up with it.We are accustomed to the pain. I have a trio of grotesques I converted from minotaurs before the shittty resin models released, and now they're gone. Just like Sliscus and all the other chapterhouse casualties. I have finecast incubi that have bendy foam klaives and lean at weird angles. This shit doesn't phase me, I don't expect excellence.Putting every special weapon in a kabalite squad because they're "free" did take me off guard. Trying to idiot-proof the high speed finesse faction is a decision.
>>98566028All the plastic Heresy marine vehicles have pic rel in the box as an upgrade set. The hunter killer is part of it. >Legion Rhino Transport is armed with two pintle-mounted bolters, and can be further customised with a range of weapons and utility gear. This kit includes the components to add a pintle-mounted havoc launcher, heavy bolter, heavy flamer, multi-melta, or a combi-weapon with five configurations (bolter, flamer, melta, plasma, or volkite), as well as a searchlight, a dozer blade, and a hunter-killer missile. It also offers a number of cosmetic options, such as towing hooks and a choice of a Space Marine gunner, spotter, or closed hatch.And knowing is half the battle
>>98566022Like look. Loyalist Vindicator is last chance to buy Chaos is not. Same thing with the other ones. The Chaos ones will be produced at least until the launch of the Codex. So if you are a loyalist player and I don't know for some reason wants the Vindicator or Predator you can buy the Chaos variants still and just paint them loyalist colors.
>>98566050Those all together sound like fun. Historical, funny nonsense and brutal/grimness
>>98566033GW missed a trick in not giving us 40k versions of HH terminators desu
>>98566044Should have had an option for anti vehicle loadouts but otherwise they're fine, if a bit redundant.
>>98565987>>98566003>mfw I collect GK, DE, and Deepkin in AoSAt least I have my Lumineth but let me tell you, watching everyone else get new toys my entire hobby career hasn’t been too fun.
>>98566030That's overly reductionist. I might as well do that to Votann and Loyalist Cabal.>High tech stored DNA sequenced clone faction that employs robots with giant planet eater machines they live in, use bolters, especially shotgun bolters, swing blades from their left arms, have a fixation on exotic alcohol they create from crusts of planets, a smaller number of specifically created psychic clones, use plasma axes, occasionally bartering with other races when nearly everyone else shoots on sight, are mortal enemies with savage warmongers
>>98566073Well I play GK, Sisters and Daemons.One of my armies almost got completely squatted but I guess is now in a pretty good spot. One of my armies lost half their characters last edition and now will lose most of their vehicles. And last of my armies might actually get squatted because GW hates crosscompatibility.
>>98566073Can you make sure you stay away from sylvaneth and genestealer cults.
>>98566031Actual molds are expensive as fuck for plastic kits and they do have to eat up time being set up and actually printing meaning something else can’t be produced.>An industrial steel injection mold to manufacture a professional plastic model kit costs between $10,000 and $150,000+ per kitWhich is probably a big selling point to GW to put old stuff back in production since that’s free money outside of opportunity cost of printing something else if they have done maintenance and maintained the mold
>>98564953He was talking about the models scale, retard. Only 40k termies still in Manlet are from GK/DW.
>>98566073i remember planning my stipendium for sports in 2012 to get dark eldar and only got to it last year. Pretty much the very same model I remember seeing on the old site, just that archon and haemonculus look worse than then.But I also collect protoss, chaos knights, csm, votann and custodes so the pain is spread
>>98566062Not even a Marine player but the Vindi absolutely mogs all the other primaris vehicles. Like, I'd be embarrassed for Primaris fans and GW if you put the Vindi beside a Gladiator.
>>98566082>maintained the moldFrom what I heard if you buy a brand new Land Raider kit it will be full of warps and moldlines because GW is using 26 year old molds and probably haven't maintained them.
>>98566089vindi looks like shit. Gladiator has an actual cool name and looks like it belongs in a sci-fi game.
>>98566073At least with gk and de there's the hope of a new releases soon. Idoneth just got a new "wave" and it was the biggest monkeys paw shit you could imagine. I feel you fishbro.
>>98566077But anon, that's true.
>>98566079Sisters is a success story of breaking GW’s vicious cycle of “we don’t support the range because no one buys from it and because no one buys from it we won’t support it”. Daemons is really annoying because the cross compatibility hate is so visible. Daemons on the table looked “unified” in an appropriately chaotic way in that you could easily discern units and their roles. Individual parts of a whole tapestry to make a functioning army, if you will.
its weird how happy i am to see the squattening.
>>98566090A lot of the older molds are have CQ issues. The banebalde has a bad warp on its front plate, the Russ has warped sides, and the grots have really really bad mold line issues to the point some of their details are unreadable. Late FW was having bad issues to.
>>98566094>Hey we wanted to eat that.
>>98566077Anon they're two post-decline factions of alien space wizards wielding advance psychic technology. SC2 even gave Protoss their own psuedo Wraith Constructs and Infinity Circuit.The difference is Protoss aren't treated like shit every time they show up somewhere.
>>98566082Ok fair that is a lot of money. I'm not averse to resin or metal if the moulds are cheaper. I guess Ill just have to get good at modelling and setting up STLs and make myself what I want.
>>98566004I don't think that this will be the case. why not make a kit you can sell to multiple factions? that being said, GW has made an earnest attempt post 8th edition to give factions their own clear design language and that is most clearly defined in how they get around. SM get the hovertech now for the most part.
>>98566077I would immediately purchase Votann if they were Calus Cabal. Stop making me sad they lack giant gold robots.
>>98566112>post-decline factions of alien space wizards wielding advance psychic technology
>>98566067FW did, before making them all 30k. GW did give plastic cataphractii and tartaros 40k rules for a while. Then reduced them to a single entry with identical stats to regular terminators (just some special options to reflect the kits).
>>98566089It’s going to be hilarious if they try to make a Primaris successor by just slapping a massive gun onto a hover platform that would send the whole thing flying backwards the second it fired. And because GW can’t help themselves, they’ll load it up with a dozen stubbers, heavy bolters, lascannons, and probably a turret on top for good measure.
Throodmaker
>>98566129Its a shame because i love the HH models but not a ton of them have 40k rules.Even if leviathan dreadnought is legends, being able to use it on 40k is peak.
>>98566136Like a Grant that flies, I could see it. It's got the right amount of guns.
>>98566145More like a flying ISU 152 with a dozen panzer II turret on the roof and two Pak 40s per side
>>98566095Yeah you can just see their hatred. Like how they fucked Beasts of Chaos by squatting them in AOS and forcing it to be old world exclusive when they brought it back.Or if you look at newer Daemon boxes you can see how Warhammer 40K is barely mentioned. In the older boxes Warhammer 40K and Warhammer Fantasy (and later AOS) was seen in the front. Now it's AOS in the front and only in the back do they have a 40K logo.
>>98566142ffs hang on
>>98566092>Idoneth just got a new "wave" and it was the biggest monkeys paw shit you could imagine.Don’t fucking remind me lmao
>>98566121I'm fond of Sith Purebloods myself
>>98566153Woah, that's hardcore. I'll take your entire stock.
>>98566118What if the AIs are>Men of Gold
>>98565101First born were and still are the objectively better designed model in terms of building kit bashing and sub assembly to paint
>>98566073Dw anon ur time will come. DE and GK are all but confirmed to get range refreshes this edition. How they will look is another story, but the hand of the archon kit and the crowe model from 9th show promise. I do worry what will happen to the coven side of DE.
>>98566172Give Calus bot
>>98566185>>98566185>>98566185go
>>98566190I don't think the Kabalite DE need a refresh at all. They look better than most new sculpts. They are kind of timeless.
I now want to drink royal wine for psychic powers.
>>98565376This is already the blatantly obvious plan that HHG does not think is gonna happen, and I say this as a HH player. hH is going to move into the scouring introduce chapters, elder, crons, orks, chaos, maybe nids and MAYBE tau. Then use the old rule set as its base.
>>98566094votann has a lot of stuff that's cool in theory but this is often lacking from the tambletop
>>98566158sith purebloods were always a dumb idea but they became even more retarded when the mmo ackshully'd them still being alive. I guess Darth Tenebrous being a sith pureblood was cool though since they seemed kind of cucked in the old lore with how a bunch of h*mans conquered them, then formed a star empire, then got easily defeated by the republic.But a lot of the other lore like the ancient sith darksider king from 25000 years ago defeating the rakata (who are also darksiders) seemed unnecessary.
>>98565733>meanwhile, my IG army uses models from 40k, AoS, WHFB/TOW, HH, Necromunda, Underworlds, Legions Imperialis, and fucking Blood Bowli should try MEBSG
>>98565772So The End Times = The Siege of Terra?
>>98565507I know this artist. I see you anon, I see you.
>>98565842Based.
>>98564717Have a look at the abhuman doctrines in WD303 if you haven't already.
>>98564717Consider using the lost and the damned from the Eye of terror codex. I think there is a chaos cult army list in one of the forgeworld books as well.
>>98564717>>98570675Also, there are some stuff in the adversaries section in the witch hunter and daemon hunter codexes
