Clean Slate EditionPrevious: >>98568599>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What are your experiences with board wipes and cards that effectively reset the game?
>>98574745TQ other than wrath/damnation or cyc rift & evac (pic rel) I haven't played many in a long time. its been a long time since I did a red destroy all lands cyc rift usually ends up letting you get open to win the game with commander damage. with the modern onions and/ or literal gay homos playing magic I think if you destroy the lands they would freak out
I don't run boardwipes. Why would I want to kill my creatures?
>>98574745https://archidekt.com/decks/25375090/chrono_shenanigansI really wish I could run world purge in dimir since upheaval is banned. I run a few bounce effects, and several time spiral effects, often stranding them with no non-land permanents and a random hand.
Wizards had one job and they blew it.
>>98574745>TQ: What are your experiences with board wipes and cards that effectively reset the game?My experience is they usually create more novel gamestates where it's a race to figure out who can re-establish fastest, as well as seeing what some decks do when on low resources. Unfortunately most MTG players are children who only like number-go-up.
>>98574745>TQ: What are your experiences with board wipes and cards that effectively reset the game?Love em. Fucking LUUUUUV them.>untap>upkeep>boardwipe
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
Fifty (50) starting life is objectively superior to forty (40).
Show me your thematic proxies
>ban most of the banlist>bring back the old tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
>>98574803What do you mean by that?
>>98574808this has been debunkedsince lord of the rings inspired magic directly, it and the hobbit are not truly "UB". final fantasy is also directly inspired by Tolkien so its like a Japanese cousin to MTG, there for not "UB" like ninja turtles or marvel is or even worse shit like The Office secret payer dropadditionally DnD replaced the 2022 core set but it would "technically" be "UB" even though its a 2nd party to mtg now. facts:LOTR/Hobbit, FF & DnD are NOT "UB"
>>98574836I remember the cars in LOTR
Truth is the world, story, and lore of Magic have always been boring shit. Adding 3rd party stuff to the game makes it way more interesting.
>>98574857This is wrong, also, it didn't happen.
>Green is a tree >Blue is water >Red is fire >Black is a swamp >White is plain Woah, such deep lore, so original
>>98574857This is right, also, this is why UB happened.
>>98574848I have never played that final fantasy game nor have any idea what it references final fantasy 1-10, maybe 11 if you were into MMORPGs 20 years ago and Tactics are core final fantasy. just like LOTR & the Hobbit books are but RANGS OF POWER is not
>>985748977 is full of tech shit.
>>98574897tactics not being included in FF was a crime
Post decks instead of arguing about UB
>>98574946I haven't taken new pictures in a while.
>>98574824For example I've been thinking of making a Minthara deck where I have forgotten realms related cards instead of other universes
>>98574946I won't. Any commanders for this feel?
>>98574957Are you just asking about skin-proxies?
>>98574946cute commander, linkup when
>>98574955yeah I need to take a picture of two of my other decks but my phone is a little busted
>>98574900there is nothing wrong with that. in 4 the paladin & dark night go to the fuckin moon. 6 has mech's along side Espers (summons like Efrit and Shiva not the color combo)7 is cyberpunk, 8 is futuristic, 10 is a bit futuristic. but none of them are completely removed from high fantasy. you have magic, you fight with swords, you summon monsters you fight wolves and ghosts and evil fuckers. 7 just has slight cyber punk sheen to it or whatever the fuck they call itand NOT the remake horseshit
>>98574836>since lord of the rings inspired magic directlyYou're gay dude, you're a full on homosexual and none of your friends in real life respect you.
>>98574962What happens when multiple theft decks face off? Do you just pray the other guy has some decent finishers for you to steal?
>>98575041jon isn't a theft deck he's a donate deck
>>98574745>TQI was introduced to mtg by some college friends after the mono-colored precons were printed. After we had been playing regularly for a month or 2 we played a match where everyone picked a different mono color precon and there was a point where every other turn cycle someone was using picrel to stop the one person that had pulled ahead after the last nuke. All of us got a turn and none of us were having fun. I've yet to play a symmetrical board wipe since
>>98574946Yes I play with banned cards. No, I'm not sorry.
>>98574946ew, ai
eldrazi should be colorless-only commanders
>>98575121the colorpie means nothing anymore, thank god
>>98575099I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but you and your friends were playing like absolute fucking retards.
>>98575121Okay but what stops me from using Nick Fury as my commander and having the whole 99 be eldrazi?
>>98575107>foil KamahlGood tastes, anon
>>98574848If cars are UB then Aetherdrift, Kaladesh, Kamigawa, Mirrodin, New Capenna, Dominaria, and Ravnica are UB.
>>98574992this has been debunked. stay mad homo!
>>98575107boy get you a rise of the eldrazi Ulamog so you can have all those fresh full old modern borders and shrug off the Neo-modern border of black abyss I've been systematically removing all new frame cards from all my decks (well most of my cards from 2010 anyway) from new stuff from getting back into the game. old border or old modern border or BUSTor future sight or even full art. but the contemporary border sucks major ass
>>98575130red still doesnt have enchantment removalgreen still doesnt have board wipes for non flyers blue still doesnt have enchantment removal white still has shitty draw and hasn't had a new counterspell in agesall colors other than green really dont have any good land tutors, (white has some ok catchup ones)that retard monger mark rosewater is trying his damnest to keep the fictional idea of a colorpie (rather than infinitely blending hues in a prism) more now than any other time in magic history. this is also why reality fracture will suck major ass and not be planar chaos 2: reduxin b4 Larry Niven's disk, zuko's exile, pony boy or wayfair's cupboard
>>98575187Going to use this excuse with star trek and EOE
>>98575221"Color pie means nothing" is what retards say when blue deck casts Pongify but never when the red deck casts Chaos Warp (pie break explicitly printed to address how shit red was in Commander)
>brew deck>half way through the decklist I notice through how many hoops I'm jumping>will be facing absolute brain dead value engines>scrap the entire listmany such cases.
>>98575240Unironically Pongify is more of a break than Chaos warp because they KEEP FUCKING PRINTING NEW GODDAMN VERSIONS OF PONGIFY. If you make a mistake once, and never do it again, then it's easy to forgive you. If you make a mistake over and over, all whilst loudly saying "This was a mistake" every damn time, then you're either lying, an idiot, or a lying idiot.
>>98575242yeah I don't see draw or play the top card in the text box there
>>98575256or free value for breathing air
>>98575252Name four.
>>98575252>If you make a mistake once, and never do it again
>>98575272hate these OCs inserted into the BG set imo
>>98575272That card has existed for 4 years? How have I never heard of it?Also, that card is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than Chaos warp, in basically every metric aside from CMC. Probably why I've never heard of it.Pongify on the other hand has had a functional reprint, and a "Sidegrade" that ended up being arguably better due to increased versatility.
>>98575275Minsc is a pretty old character in BG anon
>>98575284>Costs less and doesn't put what you remove back in rotation>Worse
>>98575284>Why have I never heard of it?Because it's not a top 10 EDHrec card reprinted in every precon and if you're running literally any other color you would rather run something else.
>>98575290Reread the card. Unlike chaos warp, it is WAY harder to whiff. It reveals until it finds something that shares a type with what you destroyed and puts that out. Destroying a card is also a lot worse than tucking it, since it's way, WAY easier to get something out of the yard than it is the deck. Destroying also means it cant deal with anything indestructible, which in my experience is actually a decently common use case for Chaos warp. Getting something from the deck is also in no way dependent on the target actually getting destroyed, so if your target somehow gets indestructible at instant speed, then you just give them a free card. 2R and RR are also roughly the same difficulty in terms of getting the requisite mana to cast the spell, so even the cost isn't a strict upgrade.So yes, it is absolutely worse than chaos warp. The literal only upsides it has over chaos warp come with asterisks attached to them, one of which is MASSIVE
>>98575302Honestly, chaos warp is good even outside of monored decks. Being able to deal with literally any permanent at instant speed, even through indestructible is hard to argue with. Even with the slight chance of it blowing up in your face hilariously (IMO This is not a downside).
>make an initial list>play it for awhile>try to improve it>make it worse
>>98575316>It's easier to-Okay and how many decks do you play against that run any sort of reanimation, let alone enchantment reanimation? The obvious counterpoint is that GY hate costs 0 mana but Tormod's Crypt is suspiciously absent from most lists.
>>98575321>3 manaFor that cost I could run multiple white spells, Beast Within (retroactive pie break after it was decided green no longer gets "destroy target permanent"), or any number of orzhov/golgari spells.>But indestructible!How many indestructible enchantments are you facing?
>>98575330I saw this card today and thought I'd hit the fucking motherload and wondered how I'd never heard about it before until I read the card for the third time
>>98575330Not a ton.However I do regularly go up against multiple decks that can extremely easily get back artifacts or creatures from the graveyard. Including one that can just straight up WIN if the right cards are in the graveyard at the right time. Often I'm facing more than one of these at the same time. Hell, there's occasionally games where literally every single player is running a deck that uses a graveyard as a resource.Everyone also has at least a couple grave hate cards in their deck as a result. Either total nukes, or targeted "Get rid of that specific thing" cards. Rakdos charm and Bojuka bog being perennial favorites in basically every deck that can run 'em.>>98575335Chaos warp doesn't JUST hit indestructible enchantments you retard. It can hit indestructible ANYTHING. Yeah you can run other shit, but having an all-in-one "Get rid of that specific shit right now" card is good to have in any deck that can run it
>>98575373>Keeps harping on about indestructibleStatic indestructible is only relevant on a handful of cards while the vast majority of the time protection comes packaged with hexproof rendering this a moot point. The fact you leave your opponent with anything useful at all means that Chaos Warp is the worst option in that slot.
>>98575385Indestructible is only "Relevant on a handful of cards" until you're facing down something that has it you can't do shit about. Which WILL happen more often then you think if you're entirely unprepared for it.Also, forgive me for doubting your abilities in determining the relevance of cards, but you may or may not be the same guy, but you seem to think that ANY form of reanimation is so rare that it's not even worth considering the possibility of going up against it when building a deck, so your opinion on what cards are and aren't relevant isn't particularly valuable.
>>98575373That's cute but also not backed by real numbers given that WotC packages Soul-Guide Lantern in every other precon yet people will run 1x Bojuka Bog then pretend their whole deck is set on GY hate. You're one Stone of Erech away from making those decks cry themselves to sleep yet for some mysterious reason you're bending over backwards to say 3 mana spot removal that gives your opponent a replacement (with no mana value restriction btw) is valuable in colors that can do that and leave the opponent with nothing. Chaos Warp isn't a replacement for GY hate and you're stupid for thinking that.
>>98574808So play PreDH with era correct rulings?
>>98575400>Durr what if I face it?What if you face double Privileged Position + Avacyn + Tamiyo, Collector of Tales + High Noon + Jace, Unraveler of Secrets emblem? Fucking retard you prepare for real situations not imagined hypotheticals someone is playing Theros gods tribal and activates World Tree AND you only need to remove Purphoros.
>>98575406It's not. It's good to have both. One is good for turning off the graveyard or burning it entirely, and the other is good in a pinch when you're dealing with something that you either can't destroy normally, or you REALLY don't want to see go to the graveyard for whatever reason. Chaos warp also has 0 guarantee of getting something back, which YOU seem to be forgetting. It's entirely random. Sometimes you'll give the opponent something better and get completely blown the fuck out. Sometimes they'll get something worse but you're still better off since the problem is gone for the time being. Sometimes they'll pull a land and you end up casting a really weird path to exile. Sometimes they'll pull an instant or sorcery and get fuckall as a replacement. There's no guarantee, but if you need something gone RIGHT NOW then it's worth rolling the dice. There are absolutely better cards, I never said there weren't, but chaos warp absolutely has its merits, even in decks with access to colors that have traditionally better removal options.
>>98575427>Most likely outcomeAssassin's Trophy except they get a nonbasic (better for them)>Worst outcomeThey get a bomb for free and you instantly lose the game off itHmm yes this is worth 3 mana when my deck has real removal colors...
>>98575412Yes, because specific three card combos are entirely the same thing as a mechanic that can be found on a bunch of cards and given out fairly easily.
>>98575434Hexproof + Indestructible only takes one card that's far more common than any source of just indestructible, yet you're really trying to pretend that's not a concern.
>>98574745>tqI'm okay with them if its not going to extend the game by 3 hours.I usually plan for them and a couple of my decks grow significantly stronger after a boardwipe.
Thanks Miku anon, I put my order in for 18 of your cards to add to my deck.
>>98574768>tranime absolutely disgustingmy brother gave me a pack of modern horizons 2 and got pic related as my rare.is it worth building a deck for this guy? I never tried boros but i know most white/red decks are just unga bunga your oppoonents
>>98574946>>98574955is an anon with his moonoblack discard commander deck here? can you show me a pic of your cards? i remember you were using a rat as your commander
>>98575221>>98575240colorpie meaning nothing is when they finally gave in and started printing cards like archelos just for funsiesand now superior universes beyond is making way to new designs like applying colors to cards in order to match the character's visual design rather than what they stand forcan't wait for all this shitpie to be broken down and have yoda cast green counterspells
print it you cowards
(Newfriend with loose grasp of game mechanics here)Does this targeting Peregrine Drake to untap 5, exile and return it, repeat give you infinite mana? I think I'm right but just wanna know for sure.
>>98575576You are correct, yes.Peregrine Drake is notoriously easy to make infinite mana with.It's considered an infinite 2 card combo and isn't allowed in the lower brackets of commander for that reason.
>>98575576it's too bad infinite mana is so hard to use I mean you'll just run out of cards
>>98575585>>98575618sweet. my infinite into Swiftfoot Boots + Twenty Toed Toad (or some sort of Long River Lurker+anyone giving +1s making everything unblockable combo) will happen. some friday.
>>98575517looks like trash
>>98575107>No crucible or icetill for stripmine loop salt farmingThis is not sadistic enough for my tastes
>>98575517>dies to multicolored removalinto the trash it goes
>>98574745>TQThe other day I cast an Evacuation after an opponent cast an Cyberdrive Awakener, everyone scooped.First time I’ve ever achieved such an annoying gameplay experience with such a dogshit deck. https://archidekt.com/decks/23720364/i_love_initiative
>>98575512Everyone needs more Miku in their life, godspeed fren. I personally can't wait to see how this one looks irl, this music video was so cool to discover while making those things.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktcOUi-x-A
>>98575517>hating on anime unprovoked is a pedophile self report sadlyLots of cheap multicolour spells in boros but your curve is gonna be at a hard average 3 mana per spell. It can be strong with anthem spam but it’s slow, good for a bracket 3 game.
>>98575877ruined by tryhard cards
>>98575892I shall include a blighted agent very soon.
>>98575892>>98575903Also you gotta understand, I play against randoms at my LGS, a lot of hyper optimised bracket 4 and cEDH shit going on. If I want to do any funny shit I gotta go hard. When you look at a weird commander and see that the 99 is hard you gotta imagine the sort of shit it’s up against.
>>98575881Umm that's Calne Ca actually, not Miku
>>98575932Aw damn, I didn't know that thing had an original name haha I would've totally used that! It's such a cool design.
>>98575321Nah dude, in my experience if you want to get rid of something you gotta fucking exile it or make it inoperable. Grasp of Fate, Banishment, Retro-Mutation, Honest work. No one runs enchantment removal either so it’s literally never going to be punished.
>>98575939It is! She just wears skin over the robot parts and "dresses up as Miku" according to her creator.Shes still kind of Miku though, lets be real.
Man that's making that text *even more* pushed in together this way, but it's worth it for the accuracy. I made a mistake on Bramble Sovereign I was too late to fix in time for my own order, looks like I'll just have to order stuff twice haha. . . Oh goddamn tariffs.
>Tefari's protection into balancing act>This isn't considered MLD
>>98576044Yes it is
>>98576044>propaganda and tithe effects are considered stax in spite of not doing anything to prevent people from doing shit on their own board
>monologue tax is considered stax
>>98574848
>cedh player>brags about grinding tournaments>try not to actually laugh>…>bojuka bog the jund player (its 3/4+ of his deck)>decide to kill him with rogue’s passage 80/80 umbris turn 5>he argues, rages, insults>tell him to go faster through the stages of grief so I can finish my turn>bitches, whines, cries >had at least 2 different ways to win next turnHe wasted a solid 5 minutes groveling to not die, when I still killed the other 2 in the same turn, and huffed and whined. He pulled out his etali cedh deck and told me if I would act so tough. Cedh is getting really popular… and it seems autistic
>>98576183cEDH is just a money seek, it’s like if EDH were turned into a gacha game with a competitive multiplayer mode. Most cEDH decks either win before turn 3 or die to removal or poor piloting.
>>98576052Not effecting all players, so not MLD
>>98576183CEDH is the most miserable format out of ANY card game and only the dumbest gorilla niggers play it.
>>98576288Nothing about the definition of MLD says it needs to affect your own lands too.
>>98574763just kill the other players' creatures, silly
>>98576341anon propably woke up from a coma. every archetype has at least one one sided wipe these days
>>98576183it's just proxies dude relax
>>98576306>Nothing about the definition of MLD says it needs to affect your own lands too.incorrect, read the definition carefully
>>98575187... Ravnica had cars?
>>98576394Which definition are we even talking about?Gavins video says it's just if it blows up at least 4 lands per opponent and can be one sided.
>>98576414>at least 4 lands per opponentcorrect, so as long as the card doesn't touch your own lands, it's goodbalancing act + tpro is still mld despite the combo because balancing act itself affects your own lands
>>98576426Anon, I don't quite understand what you are arguing for here and I think something might have gotten crossed.I said that BA + TPRO is considered MLD >>98576052 and was told here >>98576288 that as it doesn't effect all players, it was not MLD.Now you are saying it is in fact MLD so I don't really know what's happening.Do you understand why I'm confused?
>>98574763A smart player runs board wipes that don’t kill their own creatures.
>>98576465gavin's definition does specify that it must affect your own lands too to be considered mld, the idea being that he doesn't want you to be able to griefyes there are combos to protect your own lands from armageddon. it doesn't change magically make armageddon not-mld anymore because again it still allows players to grief with it, just like how natural affinity itself isn't mld even though you can use it in response to a boardwipe (from your opponent btw, gavin actually makes it a point you don't do this combo yourself0
>>98575972>>98575881Oh hey! I'm the guy who suggest this for the miku deck! Nice to know someone else thought it was a good add!
>>98576477Can you show me what definition you are pointing to?
>>98576505https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta
>>98576517The problem is that this itself is ambiguous, as he says in his own video/interview. https://youtu.be/gDDhBXSRnjQ?t=1741 (from about 29 minutes onwards)"These cards regularly" Does not mean that these are the only cards that are considered MLD."Any cards and common game plans that mess with several of people's lands" is a clearer but still not great definition.Neither of these say it HAS to affect all players to be MLD, one like just says it's common for that to be the case.Do you understand where I'm coming from?
>>98576517so you're saying that since he wrote "per player", you interpret that to mean that if it doesn't blow up any of your own lands, that it's fine. because that wouldn't be "four or more lands per player" am I understanding correctly
>>98576540>four or more lands per player>liliana's ult affects each opponentsee now?
Wait, so if x = 1 can I target, say, a Sol Ring + a creature since it says and? Or is x determining the exact number of targets here?
>>98576546That Liliana is considered MLD, anon.Asymmetrical MLD is still MLD. You are missing the part where is says "regularly", not that it always is the case>Basically, any cards and common game plans that mess with several of people's lands or the mana they produceDo you think that -9 doesnt mess with several of people's lands?
>>98575338what did you think it did at first?>>98575877well you'd be at what, around 10 or 11 mana right? if you're casting over 10 mana worth of spells hopefully you are close to winning the game. when I cast Rise of the Dark Realms (9cmc, AFTER the prior turn's damnation or deluge) the game is on a 2 turn clock, if not closing that same turn with haste
>>98576566That card's bad faith MLD. Only people trying to eke out an edge case in brackets 2-3 will be upset about a shitty 6 mana walker ulting.
>>98576566>Asymmetrical MLD is still MLDincorrect, though just to have an idea of your logical capability, i bet you think asymmetrical discard triggers self-discard effects too
>>98576571It's on scryfalls MLD list, it is officially MLD. Only bad faith players who think THEIR quirky take on MLD should be allowed think it gets a pass.
>>98576583>whatever scryfall says is trueok tranny
>>98576573Anon, stop trying to change the subject.In that article Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger is stated to be Mass Land Denial despite being asymetrical.
>>98576583edhpowerlevel.com (the only site that actually bothers understanding gavin's rules btw) lists lily as a-ok, cry more
>>98576583I think this guy is legitimately retarded.
>>98576590>the only site that actually bothers understanding gavin's rules btwlollmao even
>>98576589>Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger: This is an extension of the mana-denial restriction. It doesn't fully fit our description given >It doesn't fully fit our description givengee you'd think that's the reason why they eventually took it out of the GC list because it actually isn't MLD
>>98576599Hey what's the next part of that line you missed out anon?> is a little nicer than other mass land denial cards>Other mass land denial cards
>>98576598i accept your concession
>>98576590Do you have anything to back that up or are you pulling it out of your ass
IS it bad form to cast this turn 5 in B3?
>>98576604so nice it was taken out because it actually doesn't fit their mld definition :)btw here's ajani, oooh scary mld!
>>98576590It does however consider Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger as MLDHow are you going to spin this one?Is it no longer following gavins rules?
>>98576617Do you notice how the other MLD cards are also not included on the game changer list?
>>98576599>>98576617lmao do you think the GC list has the MLD cards on it?retard
>>98576624imagine being so butthurt over losing an argument that you will straight up lie now
>>98576631Give me the link to that page. Mine shows it is, I'm sure yours isn't edited in any way.https://edhpowerlevel.com/?d=1+Vorinclex%2C+Voice+of+Hunger~Z~
>>98576636see how i just have 1 total card imported in my image and yours doesn't?stop lying, nigger
>>98576643Uhoh, you cant link the page because you edited it. Called it.You can literally click the link I gave and see it's one single card.In fact, if you scroll down on that site you can see a list of cards they themselves(understanding gavin's rules btw) consider to be MLDWant to guess what the very first card is on there?
>>98576659>this will be updatedthat's why it's no longer a GC to them nigger, correctly deduced if i may add>you're lying!how about you stop lying nigger
Mom, Dad please stop fighting
>>98576659>numot the devastator is le mldngl anon you really should know better
>>98576670Post the link anon.That's all you have to do and I will concede (you wont)
>>98576685edhpowerlevel.com/?d=1x+vorinclex%2C+voice+of+hunger~Z~now stop adding extra cards to make it show as mld because surprise suprise the link doesn't change when you do that :)
Looking for opinions. If I use stasis in a suspend/slower high mv deck, as a temporary delay, is it still cancer? Ideally it's just land pass for a turn or 2
>>98576699Okay im going to be honest, this seems like a website issueIf you use capitals for Vorenclex it comes up as MLD, if you put it in as vorenclex it comes up as not MLDCheck yourself if you don't believe me
>>98576717i wouldn't be surprised but just like this guy said >>98576680 you should know better if someone is overreaching, i saw that the website even lists god-pharaoh's statue as mld for christ's sakebut really when you start looking at gavin defining mld as 'stop griefing and play to win even if it's casual' everything makes perfect sense, vorinclex doesn't hurt you in any way so you can't just windmill slam it if you're losing like armageddon
>>98576717it's because it's vibe coded lookup that isn't case sensitive. It's not a very capable tool
They put voice of hunger in a precon.A shitty overpriced precon, but a precon. It's not mld
reminder that gavin once upon a time said you should only have 3 tutors in b2 lol
>>98576728I was using that site because the person I was arguing with said it was "the only site that actually bothers understanding gavin's rules" and was what he linked to as part of his argument.I didn't just pick the website out at random.
>>98576748well, it's not like sites like moxfield or scryfall even bother to argue like edhpowerlevel, so i get that guy's point, checking further at least the latter is humble enough to admit when they're overreaching
>>98576710Stasis has too bad of a reputation. If you field it once, your table will assume the worst and mistrust the deck forever. Either go full stax and accept the consequences or just run more wipes/mass bounce and pillowfort.
>>98576772damn, I just like running goofy cards.
>>98576728>you can't just windmill slam it if you're losing like armageddonNo one fucking does this. Maybe it happened to these retards in charge once and they still seethe about it decades later but someone can just as easily grief by doing any kind of boardwipe and then leaving. Or kingmaking. Or just fucking over the player they hate most. But I have never seen the imaginary "armageddon, scoop". Because a pod with a brain would just pretend this imaginary little troll didn't exist.
>>98575187Those were at least stylized cars.They didn't even use the flying monster truck version of the FF car. It's just a car that you could feasibility drive.
>>98576815if you can imagine people griefing with boardwipe.dec and counterspell.dec then you can certainly imagine that someone out there actually does, in fact, grief with mld and people do kick them out (just like how people also kick out baral griefers, believe it or not)
I notice a lot of smelltable players seem to get really extra upset when I play hand reveal effects. A lot more than in-person pods do.
>>98576834yeah and that's why i dont advocate effectively banning counterspells or boardwipes, just because someone could hypothetically use them poorly.
>>98576477I am going to build a Jolrael deck to abuse the Natural Affinity loophole.
>>98576834nta but Boardwipe.dec and Counterspell.dec newfags at least think they have a game plan that they can prolong and still get lulz out of. Once you wipe the field and leave, you're no longer a meaningful part of the game. You end your own trolling.
Quit using spelltable. Use Cockatrice instead, or Xmage
>>98576844at least with counterspells and boardwipes they cannot stop your commander as it will *eventually* get through and you cannot have enough counters to deal with every threatmld is just another thing entirely wherein not only does it hurt the owner the opponent now has to draw lands *and* followup, you may not agree but the logic makes sense
which one of you fuckers voted Gavin in charge? I hate xim for putting thing I play (extra turns) out of reach so now I have to play with cards I don't want and should stay banned (game changers)
>>98576880I did. I elected him. Cry more.
>>98576880get a job, be more like gavin
>>98576874No, it doesn't make sense. There are ways to make counterspells repeatable, there are effects that make casting from command zone impossible there are ways to make commanders cost so much more you need to draw lands to cast them. I can wipe lands but it doesn't stop my opponents from beating me to death with whatever creature they had on board beforehand. Again you people are just wrong, argue purely from emotion and cannot accept that fact so you just keep flailing around with these shitty arguments that don't apply in any other scenario of the game because those situations have become normal to you so they don't trigger your stupid little timmy feels.
"You want winning turn? Too bad! No turn! Fuck u!"
>>98576930>I can wipe lands but it doesn't stop my opponents from beating me to death with whatever creature they had on board beforehand.why lie?
Getting real pissed off at how there's no Hellbent commanders
>>98576946Oh okay so because upheavel exists does that mean we should effectively ban evacuation?
>>98576950scryfall is:legendary o:"discard a card:"wow that was so hard
>>98576957nobody is saying we should ban wrath of god because jokulhaups existsjust stop lying mldtard, we all know what your deck is capable of
>>98576939>No split second
>>98575205Eh... Good point. I don't like the new border either.>>98575107Nobody likes playing against that. Nobody has a problem if I just make big creatures and turn them sideways.
>>98576862>>98576835Or convoke, which is literally just spelltable but with actual devs and bug fixes
>>98576970ermmm I think you mean is:commander because there are legendaries that can't be your commander
>>98577030>Nobody has a problem if I just make big creatures and turn them sideways.even in the big '26 people STILL have a problem with craterhoof
>>98577107I have a problem with it the same way I have a problem with thassas, despite them both winning in very different ways, they're beyond boring to see happen.
>>98576950Be a man and play Malfegor.
>>98577130this is why I like asymmetrical wraths better than overruns
>>98576950play her anon
An opponent had twinflame tyrant, xenagos, and a board full of big beaters with trample. I flickered pic rel with deadeye navigator. I also did this to kefka. and then zurgo. Why are they so salty?
>>98577130protip: the main difference between b2 and b3 is that b2 is telegraphed while b3 is where you start seeing wins out of nowhere, hence why thassa's is a GC, if you can't see the impending craterhoof it's literally a skill issue
>>98577107>>98577130>>98577212Craterhoof isn't even all that good in a four player game. It requires either a haste enabler with a bunch of mana, or to have an established big board state like a dozens of tokens for it to even get a win out of nowhere, and even then you should know it could be coming if someone is playing green with a ton of 1/1 tokens out. It's why fogs are so good.
>>98577205This card is pretty underratted. It's closed out a lot of games for me.
>>98577220craterhoof is telegraphed as fuck that's why i just roll my eyes when people say it's boring, like git gud scrub lmao
>>98577220>It's why fogs are so good.Constant Mists is stupid good in b2 in my experience, almost to the point where I wonder why it is even allowed.
>>98577234>telegraphed>vomit out a wide board with tokens>finale of devastation tutor>lethal swing from 0 board meaningful board state in one turn>>98577205>thigh and tittiesman of culture
>>98577251>that bajilion mana in green to make it happen? nah bro it totally didn't raise a red flag
>>98576562X determines the number of targets, the "artifacts and/or creatures" is just clarifying that if say X=3, you could target 3 artifacts, you could target 3 creatures, or you could target 1 artifact and 2 creatures. If it was giving you X of each it would be templated more like this.
Lets be honest, senpaitachi, if green doesn't win like that making a bunch of green mana, then how does it win? Just accept that green will run away with the game sometimes like that, just like sometimes blue will counter your interaction to stop their instant win combo.
>>98577266I'm sorry you couldn't figure out that the player with 10 creatures was going to play a card that makes them bigger.
>>98577349this ape here >>98577251 is telling you with that an opponent casting a bunch of nonhasty tokens + getting out craterhoof via finale to give everyone haste is somehow not telegraphed despite the amount of mana needed to pull that off, i bet he's gonna say next that someone with a bunch of swamps + cabal coffers has nothing better to do
>>98577373>>98577266>>98577349It's like you guys are hallucinating AI or something. Of course players with mana will cast spells, and cast larger ones when they can generate more. But that's not the same as saying 'this guy cast scute swarm, landfalled, tutored cradle, then cast finale for 1000' or 'this guy dropped cabal coffers with urborg out, then cast torment for 20' That's not telegraphed information, that's explosive one turn board creation into a wincon.
>>98577398Your opponent is playing green, so crator is telegraphed from turn 0.
>>98577398>you managed to live long enough to have 20 mana available? that's not our fault, whatever you do next can't be put against us whatsoever>you're totally not allowed to cast a bunch of spells and just win that's LITERALLY cheating
>>98577421I don't really know what point you are arguing or if you are truly schizo/hallucinating ai>>98577417then you've conceded your point to me
>>98577421>Long enough to have 20 manaYou do know you can make infinite mana turn 1 in this game if you are running certain combo lines. Why are we pretending that someone, especially a green player getting 20+ green mana in a single turn off presenting 4 mana at the start into an explosive overrun is impossible?
>>98577435no anon you're being intentionally retarded by not counting a bunch of freaking mana as 'telegraphed'
>>98577373>Hmm yes my opponent spent all game making 10 1/1s that do nothing and ramping to 10 open mana>I guess he just has no gameplan!This is how retarded (You) sound.>Durr my opponent set up their board all game it's such slop that they played a bomb that makes their board biggerIt's called a wincon, retard. Try running one.
>>98576930>In this very specific scenario I made up, counterspells can be repeatable, but also MLD results in me dying. Checkmate!
>>98576183and then the whole LGS stood up and clapped
>>98576183this didn't happen.
>>98577442>my opponent managed to deploy his 3-card infinite combo in a single turn and killed us! waaaaa i don't care how unlikely it is, the fact he blindsided me is making my butt hurt!all the more proof that brackets is best interpreted as "no infinites/alt wincons until Turn X", which in b2's case would be your T9, to further emphasize that it's telegraphed as fuck and if you can't handle being killed on T9 then maybe B1 is for you
>>98577442>Opponent has infinite mana turn 1>Craterhoof is the problem here???
>>98577442To be fair, do you really think that a deck that can generate infinite mana T1 is going to be gunning for a Craterhoof win?
>>98577488>>98577477
>>98577460who are you quoting?
Most people (and EDH players in general) here never read a design article or even put a little bit of critical thought into card design and it shows.
>>98577492I think WotC could do better and just expand the GC/banlist like in the alpha preview, but that would take work and they know the average Commander "player" barely understands why Time Walk is banned so they won't.
What exactly IS a two card combo?
>>98577560Grizzly Bears + Giant Growth
>>98577560a silly attempt by gavin and the committee (i personally suspect it's rachel) to establish that 2-card combos are easier to assemble than 3+ card combosnevermind that there so many cards now that making your deck modular enough to have multiple avenues to assemble a 3 card combo asap is easy unironically making it easier to do than a generic 2 card combo that can't even be tutored for, which again only highlights the issue is all about *when* you can combo off, not whatever the fuck your combo is made of
>>98577560Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond
I simply never run combos because they are boring and gay.
>>98577477>Butthurt>Play at bracket 1 you low skill scrubWhy are you taking such a ridiculous stance when all someone said is that they find it boring? No one claimed it was skillful/skilless, or unfair. Just that it's boring.
>>98577560raging goblin + hatred for 39
>>98577594>get out of our pod, your deck is boring>*looks at you in a disgusted way* ewww sloppaI would respect it more if people just said your deck's too strong, but no, people have to say it's boring, as if that has no implications in a supposed social format whatsoever
Imagine white knighting the worst rule state this format has ever seen on fucking 4chan. There's some real normgroids in this thread
>>98577628? Nobody's talking about hybrid (yet)
>>98577501What are they getting wrong in your opinion?
>>98577501Why do you always avatarpost with this autistic gif?
>>98577639See this thread for a good example
>>98577489No, just illustrating the point is that making 20 mana can infact "come out of no where."
>>98577628But nobody mentioned the Beacon of Immortality unban.
>>98577611So, you're taking personal offense to someone saying it's a boring way to win.Got it.
>>98577651Silly me i didnt know i should be going infinite asap in b2 as if it were cedh
>>98577658It's all fun and games until someone calls your deck boring, you may just keep quiet and take it in the ass tho
>>98577662Why do you always go out of your way to be intentionally retarded?
>>98577670>you can go infinite in b2 out of nowhere you know>ok i should take it to it's logical conclusion then? Easy enough not have GCs in a b2 deck after all>noooooo not like thaaaaaaaaat
the bracket system is uselessif I lose, the others' decks were overpoweredif I win, everyone's deck was balanced
>>98577691This is why everyone's deck was a 7If you lost, you cant complain, we're both 7If I win you cant complain either, it was a fair matchup between two 7s
>>98577682>Take it to it's logical conclusion Thanks for confirming it is infact you, the purposefully retarded cedh larper.Get a trip, will make things much easier.Making a point that making big mana at any point in the game is possible is not the same as saying "infinite mana turn 1 in bracket 2 is okay guys."You will stop coming off as an idiot larper if you bothered more with what is being said now rather than this "logical conclusion" nonsense you always spout.
>>98577701Please show the line how you get to 20 mana (surely not an infinite right?) from just 4 mana on t3 senpai so i can start pubstomping
>My opponents are making infinite mana all the time on turn 4!!! Ban Craterhoof!!!>What if they start using real win conditions?>That's cEDH!!!Truly amazing Timmy logic.
How hard is it to get a specific card art as a playmat? I kinda want the Livia Prima Stoneforge Mystic sexo one, or her Nirkana Revenant Or OG Avacyn Angel of Hope
>>98577715https://www.yourplaymat.com/
I think I will use this as a playmat
FUCK THAT ONE GUY IN PARTICULAR
>>98577747How'd did AI manage to perfectly generate a picture of me?
>>98577750AI is really good at making proxies
>>98577706I don't play green enough to know any off the top of my head, and I really don't care because such a thing seems entirely possible given how this game works.You just want to argue for the sake of arguing though. And to what end?Big mana production isn't possible?Cedh might as well be bracket 2?Cratorhoof isn't boring?That you think I'm an idiot?Do you even know what you are arguing about any time you do this? Or is it simply "I see post I must larp and seethe."
>>98577781>It's totally possible! Easily!>Okay. How?>I don't know!Amazing work Timmy. If you manage to keep playing the game for over a month you might start learning how to be good at the game.
This shit is busted.
>>98577781Big mana is telegraphedPart of why B2 is described as telegraphed is because you're not expected to blindside people with an infinite too earlyCraterhoof is efficient at what it does and if you call it boring then ok snowflakeYes you are dumb, you just literally made up stuff as a knee jerk reaction after allHope this helps
>>98577792>The lines aren't in rogsi so they can't existOkay larper. Let us know how you place in the imagination invitational.
>>98577798How so? It is just yet another big mana option for green. Nothing to write home about.
>>98577798dies to removal
>>98577798literally does nothing because I always have the 3 removal
>>98577749I have a Kresh deck that operates specifically on "fuck that guy". Kresh gets huge and someone inevitably gets nervous and tries to remove him. It never gets old.>In response to your Path, I cast Fling targeting you with lethal damage.
>>98577800>Y-you can't say my favorite wincon is boring! Y-you just can't!>Watch a movie a hundred times>This is boring, I've seen it so many times>You can't say it's boring, you know what's going to happen!This is your logic.You and cratorhoof are boring.Hope this helps.
>>98577798BOOOOOOOORIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGG
>>98577798this one is meaner than that
UNBAN ROFELLOS
>>98577821>get called boring>i win in exchangeFairest trade i've seen in a while
>>98577823pretty sweet with Keruga or Karametra's Acolyte
>>98577820Kresh is awesome and has stayed awesome after all these years. Pure jund fun goodness
anybody print out a proxor of this goofy ah skunk yet to test out? reactions at the LGS?? gemini says the LGS or players will get very hostile at seeing a proxy of an unreleased card which I believe has been debunked (they will be excited )
>>98577855This is simply a bad card.
>>98577855>they continue to smelllol, cute card
>>98577860I may be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure what you're saying has been debunked.
>>98576480It's pretty much one of the best planeswalkers that deck could want. Other than Elspeth Storm Slayer, but then you're straight up printing generic value cards and planeswalkers are kind of gay so.
>>98577869I rebunked it. Wasn't hard I used AI
>>98577855>Raquesha the Rabid>Legendary Skunk>rabid counters>they continue to froth at the mouth after Raquesha has left the battlefieldsuch a missed opportunity
>>98577863I knew they were going to make a blor card sooner or laterhe's very well balanced
>>98577855Just bring a coomer proxy and no one will complain
>>98577798Autumn is just better.
>>98577860this has been debunked>>98577863very fun card, Toski, Hit Monkey and Blor are the trinity trio of goofy ah voltron dudes. Blor going in my Indo rex deck>>98577869speaking truth to power here
>>98577855Is there a way to put a counter of a type on all creatures?That and proliferate could make this a fun group slug deck
>>98577821>You can't say it's boring, you've watched it a hundred times!ftfy
TrampleDeathtouch commander any day now
>>98577891I'm still trying to think of what all the possibilities are. proliferate for sure but I'm actually not so sure it will be that useful. copying triggers possibly would be better, Strionic Resonator I guess and blinking her. nesting grounds comes to mind for moving counters.
>>98577891now I'm thinking what might end up being a good thing to do is generating tokens to give to everyone and then causing the ETB to keep happening with her. I hate group hug decks but yeah a concealed group hug done as group slug might work. will def. be brewing this up, time to put on the thinking cap
>>98577910May I offer you the smallest hoop to jump through?
>>98577939my preferred version of this idea and lately my most played deck both in paper and MTGO. I have a lot of fun with it
>>98577821But then by this logic getting 20 mana and 10 creatures on turn 4 for Craterhoof is novel and exciting because it's so uncommon that you can't even recall how it happens.
>>98577891The only card I know of that replicates a counter of a type onto multiple creatures is white and just your creatures. Blinking her and killing her just to immediately bring her back along with proliferate is really your only option in mono black
>>98575284>How have I never heard of it?>Significantly worseThat's why you haven't heard of it.
>>98577855>ah
>>98577855>gemini saysBait
You guys ever just whiff?
>>98578067I'd take a deep whiff of dragon braps, yes.
Are planeswalkers worth using in 2026? I was thinking of using pic related in the Miku deck instead of Anointed Procession. She's obviously more removable than an enchantment, but she comes with the added bonus of being able to add counters and flying to everyone, as well as nuking someone's commander on demand.>why not bothI've already got doubling season.
>>98578067Skill issue (deckbuilding) If you're gonna run cards like this then you need to get the math right.
>>98578067I'm never punished
>>98578088anointed procession is one of the best cards in that deck. and its commander you might play 5, 6+ games without seeing any one particular card. planeswalkers are easy to killsome people play them, they can be powerful but they arent OP like they were 15+ years ago (decking out from Worldwake Jace anyone?)its much harder to remove an enchantment than a planeswalker
>>98578088Cut the Doubling Season.
>>98578118Yeah, that's what I figured. I'll just stick to Anointed Procession and Doubling Season for all my "holy shit tokens and counters everywhere" needs.>>98578122I'm hesitant to do that because Doubling Season is downright nutty in that deck. Not only does it massively benefit the populate gimmick, but it also makes you gain a gorillion counters.
>>98578066this has been debunked >pic rel
>>98578088Yeah but then you'd be that gay guy at the table still using planeswalkers.
>>98578135>transparent proxyingimpossible, i have to buy the $2 chang cards to fool people
>>98578149>he's paying $2 for proxies from Usea>he's not getting them for under $1 via group buysYou can LITERALLY get the chang bootlegs cheaper than places like MPC if you actually do it right/
>>98578159I love doing the group buys, I got 50 from the last one
>>98578159I doubt I'd want to deal with all that shit. does USea ship out multiple packages or who is the arbiter to distribute all the individual orders and not fuck that up or steal them
>>98578159noooo i have to prove to you that you're a fool, look at me being ahead of the curve by paying $2 for a tropical island
hello. This is my migu deck. Pls rate and hatehttps://archidekt.com/decks/25809356/migu_lifegane_slop_ver_p01
I ain't clicking that shit nigga
>>98578188hey you stole my screenshot from last night
>>98578207i proxied your screenshot :)
>>98578199Got about halfway through before falling asleep. Slop is right.
>>98578159cheaper than 40¢ a card?really?
>>98578199I clicked that shit
>>98577651>making 20 mana can infact "come out of no where."No it doesn't. Not unless you're playing a bracket where that speed of mana is, in fact, expected. Please read the bracket guidelines and realize that they're for the entire table.
>>98577808Actually, no!
>>98578199This is just the precon with generic and expensive slop crammed in. You didn't even remove the shitty demonstrate cards or worthless stuff like Break Down.
>>98577798Goes infinite with Phyrexian Altar and any Concordant Crossroads type of haste/ability haste if it's the commander.
>>98577798Disgusting uncentered text.
>>98578418What are you talking about? There's only one card in there with demonstrate. And it's arguably one of the better cards in the deck. And this Anon obviously wants to keep the Miku cards in the deck. At least break down has a use unlike tiger eye cameo or whatever it's called.
HOLY SHIT, ANOTHER MIKU SL JUST ANNOUNCED!!1!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ial6atdReWs
>>98578476This was debunked.
reminder that mtg can never make a xianxia set or else the ccp will skin them alive
>>98578485There's not enough dykes, faggots and niggers in Chinese mythology and the CCP will not stand for black washing of their culture.
>>98578485We already had a chinese set anon
>>98578485I think that the ccp would actually approve of that, they like their culture being shown
>>98578474I'll be honest I only looked at it for 10 seconds and saw the Vaultborn Tyrant, Heliod, Three Visits, Savannah, and City of Brass and l felt I had seen enough to give him the hate post he was asking for.
>>98578503mtg can never play it straight anymore, everyone on a flying sword has to be a black dyke the ideology demands it
>>98578512that's a pity
>>98578499meanwhile we had a shinto jap set and a cyberpunk jap set
>>98578512how many black lesbians are actually even in magic?
>>98577855this is true to some extentthere are 2 LGS in my city, one has banned proxies after repeated complaining from some players. It was not about pubstomping, they were afraid of being "scammed" in trades. Nobody was even running chang fakes, they said they could be scammed by thick paper with a card printed and a white back, they are just retarded like thatthe other one is pretty chillso yeah, this could happen to you
>>98577560
>>98578530Since when has a western corporation cowtailed to the Japanese? If anything, misrepresenting and destroying Japanese culture is what the West does, of course while criticism is levied at every aspect of Japanese culture.
>>98578543there's a lot of lgbt across all rarities in in-universe sets i can't even count them all
>>98578582Yeah but how many of them are black lesbians
I want to believe we can live in a world where Sun Wukong can get printed on a Magic card that's even more impervious than Blor and then have Son Goku be the anime alt art for that, and nobody makes a big political deal out of it.
>>98578585oh no did i misgender xem? gomen anon...
>>98578485china unbanned reverend insanity, anything could happen
>>98578590I have no idea what this means but I'm just going to say okay and leave it at that
>>98578585This is the typical leftoid tactic. Someone says something clearly that is an exaggeration and the leftoid will laser focus on it taking as a statement of the other side's complete perception of reality and demand impossible to meet evidential standards for that perception.
>>98578600okay
>>98578577the japanese are all too willing btw, they know that the japan brand and tourism are what's keeping them afloat
>>98578600you didn't answer
>>98578621so when will mtg have a xianxia set, lefty?
>Pulled one of these todayWoo, good day.
xu-ifit is a lesbian
>>98578633See, this guy get's it
Bolas is black (mana) and lesbian (because he's the woman in the homosexual relationship)
>>98578630noice
>>98578633i already knew and i still keep rolling my eyes
>>98578630>shitty green dies to everything do nothing cardSorry anon.
>>98578633hot, I'm gonna build a deck with her as commander
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Aperson-of-color+art%3Asapphic+not%3Auniversesbeyond&unique=art&as=grid&order=nameseems there are 49 cards with black lesbians, excluding universes beyond stuff
>>98578670My favorite black lesbian
>>98578670wait these two are dating? Wasn't Zimone a child during this time?
>>98578683You know what they say, old enough to use paratrigonometrics in a sentence, old enough to fuck.
>>98578683i think it just counts if one of the characters is queerthere's a card with rowan and eriette on it tagged with that and i was like wtf based wotc, rowan has the hots for her aunt? but apparently my friend said rowan has some other girlfriend
>>98578699Holy based>>98578710well now I find the card art boring
>>98578710'sapphic' is a very specific term ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
>>98578670so Adeline, Huatli, Saheeli, Kequia, a Llanowar elf, and Syr Armont and Rootha (even though she's blueish?)
>>98578670Huatli is Aztec not blackSaheeli is Indian not blackI guess Adeline is black if that b&w treatment is canon... She didn't look like that in the original artwork but whateverI guess "Kequia" being a lesbian must be in the books or something. she's Teferi's granddaughter and definitely blackA couple of these only have the poc tag because Zimone is standing next to someone lgbt who isn't blackI don't think anything lesbian is actually being depicted in "Natural Unity", that may have been a Scryfall tranny seeing what xhe wanted to seeso I suppose Adeline, Chance for Glory (the SoS Secret Lair reprint), Defense of the Heart (Enchanting Tales reprint), Llanowar Elves (women's charity Secret Lair reprint), and maybe Syr Armont? are black lesbians in MtG. but none of them are famous characters, they must all be lesbians in the stupid books, and the Llanowar Elves is just two random elf bitches without names. (and is kinda hot actually...)Still that's not to defend WotC on these specific grounds. this game careened into turbowoke territory in January 2015
>>98578755oh I guess this card is supposed to depict Armont and Yenna being in lesbian love with each other. so yes Armont is confirmed lesbian in card artwork.
>>98578670I'm fucking dying over here. Why is black lesbian cards literally a thing you can search for? I've never heard the term, "sapphic", a day in my life.
>>98578680Huatli for scale.
>>98578776>Why is black lesbian cards literally a thing you can search for?it's scryfall!
>>98578770This is why I use the superior MLP print of DotH.
>>98578776>why can I search gay shit on the literally gay shit databaseHave you completely missed how they fart out a political message every other week on the main page?
I don't see where's the problem in black women in mtg, if you don't like them you can imagine them getting horrendously violent deaths as you target them with removal or when they die in combat
>>98578776https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Abare-feet+art%3Afemale+-art%3Amale&unique=art&as=grid&order=nameThere are a lot of tags anonhttps://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Aphallic&unique=art&as=grid&order=namehttps://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Ayonic&unique=art&as=grid&order=namehttps://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Aboob-window&unique=art&as=grid&order=name
>>98578806There's nothing wrong with black women (or anyone else) in mtg. The problem is when you take established characters and make them black for whatever reason, or you make gay characters getting handsy with each other on a card. Why can't I get a normal couple kissing on a card?
>>98578815
>>98578812I knew there was silly stuff like, "art:pizza", and, "art:knives", for stuff like Un sets that care about things in the art but this is a little ridiculous.
>>98578815isn't it funny that we get a lot of lesbians but our hero Jace - the flagship of UW - never even got to have a cordial relationship with a woman, much less hold hands?
>>98578834He is constantly fucking Vraska's gorgussy
>>98578834he is actually happy with gorgussy
>>98578829https://scryfall.com/docs/tagger-tagsTheres a lot of ridiculous ones.>>98578834He's been fucking a snake woman for yearsHe beamed the gorgan pussy into chandras mind during the strixhaven story
>>98578834>Jace never had sex or held hands with a woman>Has a daughter.
>every LGS has that one guyWho is yours?
>>98578834Who cares about Jace where the hell is my nigga Ugin?>inb4gaybolasUgin is the straightest dragon alive. He yearns for the Emrakussy.
>>98578848My LGS has a guy who, while polite, is a horrible disheveled mess and suffers from mild autism. He's a bit awkward to play with since he doesn't want to talk or socialize.
>>98578848Honestly, probably me.
>>98578848my lgs is rather normal in general, no bad manners or anythingfor weirdness I'd say it's me because I always play mono-black, I find it the most fun to play in edh (in constructed I play all the colors normally)
>>98578851>He's straight bro he was just found balls deep in Bolas. It's what straight bros do to help each other out.Niv-Mizzet tier cope.
>>98578836>>98578839>>98578846i said a woman not a DESPICABLE MONSTER that would give normies the ICK
>>98578863>Saw what he wanted to see in a scene >Which was homo shit
>>98578864Fuck the normies I want to impregnate a full blown gorgon.
>>98578863kek>>98578864normies would be willing to be plunging in the gorgussy without a second thought and you know it
>>98577855>>98577891>>98577920the smell isn't a property of the counter, the counter just helps track things.she gives the smell ability to the creature as long as the creature has the counter on it. extra counters don't make them smell more and moving counters to other creatures doesn't cause them to start smelling, they didn't get smelt in the first place.ironically black is the color that removing counters is mostly in, but putting one funny counter on something a turn isn't a great engine for that kind of thing.anyway; panharmonicon, strionic, any blink effects, saw in half, genji glove for extra combats,
>>98578884>Oder counters don't stackMan, they really had to rob the commander from doing anything fun, didn't they?
>>98574946My masterpiece
>>98578900kino, well doneI particularly like that Swords to Plowshares
>>98574946
>>98578896not ONLY do they not stack, they do nothing but remove the smell if they get removed
where are you supposed to put the commander in one of these commander deck posts, it seems like it's always somewhere different and sometimes I can't even tell which card is supposed to be the commander
>>98578821Damn that's hot, gotta get me one and figure out which deck to put it in
>>98578928just place it so it stands out
>Tribal deck>xDDDD changelings dude!!Is there anything more soulless.
>>98578906Need to get around to adding hobbit stuff to it. Been lazy.
>>98578630looks AI
>>98578936hey man we take what we can get
>>98578900>no arbarian nights cardsHoly Poor Fag!
>>98578949I just meant myself. Were there any insects in the hobbit besides that bee?Bugbros might be starving
>>98578956I want this card and Army of Allah but they'retoo expensivefor whatthey are. I only started playing in Ice Age and missed out on Arabian kino>>98578904It's the best swords printing out there
>>98578980JotC don't even consider Jihad a real card anymore. Just proxy it up.
there's another way of showing superiority
>>98578980Crazy how many people I see say they started in ice age. Those were the first packs I remember seeing in walmart I wonder if that is one of the causes.
>>98578860What is it about mono-black? Two of my regular long-time MTG buddies pretty much only play mono-black, like 75% of the time. I never see that with other colors.
>>98578991It's absolute horseshit Crusade and Jihad are banned. I can't even find them on ebay.>just proxyDefeats the gimmick of my bracket 1 old border deck being made entirely of real cards
>>98578900It is.
>>98579019Cards specifying nonblack are slowly becoming more and more dogshit as multicolor creatues become more and more the standard.
>>98579019Oof, I need this in my Jarkeld kino
>>98579025Imagine being so keked your gimmick is using real cards
>>98578564is this in the US?>>98578834>>98578836>>98578839she uses those snakes on her head to tickle his bung hole while giving him the sloppy Gluck Gluck , without a doubt >>98578851well considering emrakul got trapped in a moon all hes gonna be getting is some Lunussy>>98578884right I understand that (OP with the uh oh stinky commander). proliferating the counters won't increase the stank. need a way to give the opponents tons of critters and then give all of them en masse odor counters. what makes you so sure of the idea that moving the counter to a different previously un-stinky creature won't make them start to be stinky? as far as it seems to be worded, any creature with an odor counter gains the lose 2 life abilityit seems maybe making more upkeeps occur or making the triggers occur multiple times at upkeep for all players might be the most beneficial thing for this. some thing like pic rel in black>>98578630congrats I got this in my pack that had the book cover Gleaming Splendor. very fun card. great card.
>>98579051Proxy are real cards.
>>98579059Ai art is real art
>>98579059In the age of proxy piles, the man with real cards is King.
>>98579070>t. Cassius Marsh and playing nothing but $20k+ cEDH decks and gets super salty if he loses
>>98578630A shit Yeva with AI art
>mfw I collect cards in my card collecting game
>>98579059If they were real, you wouldn't call them "proxies" to begin with.>>98579062This is true. AI is just a tool. One with a very low skill floor, but still a tool.
>>98579070>Cassius MarshLiterally who
>>98579024who knows? maybe it's because demons, zombies and stuff are cool and by playing mono you save money by not needing dual lands or moxes
>>98579081>I see AI everywhere I look>Just like I see homos and trannies where ever I lookYou see what you want to see.
>>98579082Same my guy
>>98579055>what makes you so sure of the idea that moving the counter to a different previously un-stinky creature won't make them start to be stinkyIt's not a property of the counter to give the ability, olinda gives the creature the stink ability for a duration, the duration just happens to be "as long as it has this counter on it.">If all blaze counters on a land are moved to a different land, the triggered ability doesn’t follow them. The first land no longer has the ability because it no longer has a blaze counter on it. The second land doesn’t have the ability because Obsidian Fireheart didn’t target it.
>no early thread at 300 postsI'm proud of you all
>>98579111Where have you been for the last 3 months that this is a concern for you?
>>98578896look who's designing this shit. groomers of the coast does not attract the best or the brightest these days >>98578971theres attacops>>98579025what commander game has a judge saying what cards are legal or not, or deck checkingtype this in eBay:crusade mtg -murdock -dralnus -tivadar -cathars' -dralnu -cathar'stheres 3 different prints the OG classic one, the 5th edition one with like a flying fucker's silhouette and a old modern frame one from duel decks Elspeth vs Tezzeret. tons of options from 10$ shipped to 40+
5C experience
>>98579097I have no problem with AI art, only shitty AI art like Radagast
>>98579131Its not AI at all. You just want it to be, for some reason.
>>98579059>>98579062if GōtC won't reprint it, someone else will>>98579088I dont call them proxies I call them Chinese Reprints because thats what they are. if someone wants to resell those Chinese reprints I dont think thats exactly the greatest idea but if someone or a shop wants to pay what they feel is a "fair market price" for it, then thats their prerogative >>98579106but the last line, "they continue to smell after Olinda leaves the battlefield". the counter doesn't cause players to lose life but the counter grant's the ability of "uh oh, stinky: at the beginning of your upkeep you lose 2 life". so if this counter got moved to another creature without that counter I believe it would also inherit that "uh oh stinky "ability
Return to Baldur's Gate (mechanically) when
>>98579149the counter is an aid, it doesn't have any abilities
>>98579149>I dont call them proxies I call them Chinese Reprints because thats what they are.>I don't call them troons, I call them women, because that's what they are. If someone wants to shit on girl dick, I don't think its exactly straight, but if they feel like bussy is pussy, then that's their prerogative.Deny that reality, that will make it true.
>>98579149I just gave you the ruling for obsidian fireheart, the creature that has the reminder text "the land continues to burn" that olinda's reminder text is a reference to. that reminder text just means "the duration is not 'while this creature is on the battlefield'"
>>98579165Why are the trans so fucking foul and disgusting and why is MTG full of them? How can we as a community subtly make MTG less appealing to the trans?
>>98579186make custom cards using troonjaks as art
>>98579165this has been debunked. Chinese reprints of a card is not the same as pretending your have different chromosomes. hope this helps>>98579160the counter grants the "uh oh stinky" ability which causes loss of life at the player's upkeep. >>98579153this is based final fantasy art. maybe we'll see this in FF2 redux. with actual representation from FF5, tactics, the people they skipped in FF8 like Irving they need cards for Emerald and Ruby Weapon from OG FF7 USA. I can't believe they skipped that (pic rel)
>>98579186I dont know but they are now empowered even more with apparently NPR did a story recently saying how MTG is the troon groomer's paradise. pReddit is going nuts for it. seems like they tightened up their fake account generation (only paid contributors I guess can make astroturfed bot farms now) so you can't even go and tell them to get help and "ywnba". you will laugh hysterically reading these loonies posts if you so dare>>98579176right the counter is what grants the ability. I'm not disagreeing with you now this:>(10/1/2009)If all blaze counters on a land are moved to a different land, the triggered ability doesn't follow them. The first land no longer has the ability because it no longer has a blaze counter on it. The second land doesn't have the ability because Obsidian Fireheart didn't target it.since it wasn't targeted by [Olinda] the odor counter's ability won't follow I guess. that was not immediately clear to me and didn't really seem logical to me I guess.
>>98579111Janny gets uppity if you don't wait for the old thread to to first.
>>98579227You are disagreeing with me, the counter does not grant the ability, it's just a reminder that the creature has the ability. Olinda grants the ability.Nothing about "the land continues to burn" or "the creatures continue to smell" implies the counter is what grants the ability. If you search the comp rules, there is not a rule for blaze counters, which it would need if it was an intrinsic property of the counter to grant the ability.
>>98579205>this has been debunked. Chinese reprints of a card is not the same as pretending your have different chromosomes. hope this helpsHasn't, because it's not. It's not a real card, and you aren't a real woman.Hope this helps.
>>98578067Not with Cheese Gore
>>98578067After playing testing this deck, with 22 creatures in the deck. I whiffed 3 times in a row. I understand why he looks like that.I also used Wakanda forever and got 2 lands with it and nothing else for permanents
>guy walks into lgs peddling slds he bought in bulk>no one buys
>>98579439based
>>98579401>only 22 creatures in the Oops! All Creatures deck
Unban Grizzy
>>98579443Its actually a cast from exile deck. As the background is Passionate Archeologist. He's just an added bonus to get some of them, Need to bump up some more creature though.
>>98579439Why is the LGS letting someone even do that? Get his ass kicked out.
>>98579464There’s 10~ or so. It’s one of the largest lgs in us, they dont care. Also theres like 5 guys that do this and they invite the owners (and myself) to house parties / byob and shitBut they come off as used car salesman
>>98579459It's an Oops! All Creatures deck because otherwise your most consistent exiled spell engine isn't consistent. Also if you're in Gruul with that deck pick up Wulfgar of Icewind Dale for the panharmonicon for attack triggers
>>98579535>Wulfgar of Icewind DaleThanks for the tip, but yes. I think getting it up to 25 creatures, in theory, should make it statistically able to always hit 1 creature each trigger.
>>98579535>>98579401how do you protect Durnan on the attacks? I wanted to build him Simic
>>98579602Be brave, accept consequences.
>imprint Strip Mine >go wide creature tokens>?????>profit
>>98579602Maze of Ith
>>98579602Dolmen Gate, fog yourself, buff him, set up the top of the deck in a way that once he attacks the engine is set up and you only need to get him to trigger once. Use your imagination.
>>98579647Why this shitty combat trick 30 dollars?
>>985796592007 was almost 20 years ago
>>98579659It's a based card.
>>98579659Because it's a one sided effect and hasn't had a reprint outside of a single SLD and a collector booster bonus. It's like asking why is Ancient Tomb so expensive when WOTC refuses to print it as a regular land.
>>98579647>Use your imagination.yeah I used my imagination but also I like asking /tg/ what they would do because it's fun!
>>98579659have you noticed that it's a permanent rather than a trick?there are a whole lot of commander cards with useful attack triggers
>>98579685This one is more based.
>>98579700Sure, but it's in white. The worst color in magic.
>>98579700very based but sadly not in Simic colorsmight be cool for Folk Hero Durnan though
>>98579705
For one dollar you can swing freely and block freely and survive Blas act and admire a scared rabbi
>>98579709Blink
>>98579739Or you know
>post your own personal salt mining card
>>98579756
>>98579256youre right I am definitely not a woman and I sure hope I would not be, but these cards are real cards, they're reprinted by Chang instead of the curlomatic machine in the States. no one forced you to spend all that money on damaged shitty cards when you can get a real reprint for two bucks. hope this helps,
>>98579243it would be implied the counter grants the ability since the card says the creatures continue to smell if Olinda leaves the battlefield
>>98579756unimaginable levels of control player tantrums>save image off scryfall>fuck they swapped to webp>go to gatherer>also webp>fine I'll copy paste into mspaint
>>98579439theres stacks of the fallout ones at one of my LGS' >>98579659>98579659OG Lorwyn art was so good. then look at Lorwyn Eclipsed. the absolute state of the game and GōtC. GRIM
>>98579811>he doesn't know
>>98579811there's an option to save the png below in the card page
>>98579774>pings you for 1nuthin' personnel
>>98579811there's a little download png button on scryfallalso yes dude ive seen players accuse me of playing MLD cuz of this shit
>>98579825I already killed you with a suspended Emrakul
>>98579756The thing about Zo-Zu is, it's only to get worse the longer the game is.
>>98579811command shift 4 n00b. then select the area you want to screenshot saves to desktop like this u dummy
>>98579756oh? you used a tutor last turn? yoink!
>>98579756In response: time walk you?
>>98579811Side note, WHY THE FUCK IS WEBP EVEN A THING HOLY SHIT IT SUCKS ASS. It's like other shit like gifv, HDDVD, and so on.
>>98579719neat
>>98579811>Red player is retardedMany such cases!
>>98575517Here’s my list. Bounces back very well from boardwipes, and protection from monocolored really does mess with a lot of decks removal spells.
>>98579868if I'm retarded, what the heck is this guy doing >>98579839anyway I saved it as a jpg because I read this thread on my phone and pngs take ages to load.here's more easy salt farming. watch the storm player cry every time.
>>98579756Simple but effective
>>98579894That reminds me. this causes so many people in my pod to slow to a crawl because they are so afraid of the people not them drawing.>This is bullshit, I can't even play my commanderhas been said more than once.
>>98579893>Rakdos player is even stupider
>>98579900hellbent btwI know I own this asshole but I haven't been able to find it in ages
>>98579899I put one of those in my mono white deck after finding it in a bulk box, happy to hear that it causes issues for others.>https://archidekt.com/decks/25759044/belladonna_took_my_kids_and_shot_my_dog
>>98579894An extra card per turn cycle? No one could hate that!
I had forgotten the simple pleasures of 5c slop piles.>t1 land tax>t2 find with land tax, exploration, bounce land as second>t3 find a couple more with land tax, rites of flourishing, play 3 basics>in another game, great aurora, play all my ramp from hand same afterwards>hit nicol bolas dragon god, nicol bolas god pharaoh, deepglow skate on one turn a couple turns later
I brewed up a new deck and I love this little fucker like you wouldn't believe. The deck is peak. https://moxfield.com/decks/F3KPNoZ1ykG3URES57ymaA
>>98579917I run it in my monogreen Monarchy deck. That little extra damage does work
New thread:>>98579945>>98579945Migrate whenever.
>>98579767Hahaha! Oh fuck this one is good.>>98579771I always wanted this but it was impossible to find in person and was $$$ to buy online.
>>98579836Fuck blue n______.
>>98577863I'm excited to Voltron it up with him. Getting all sorts of irl big-boost/cool trait equipment/enchantments in preparation, can't wait.
>>98579862It's very small and you can use it for gifs so it saves websites money
Out of the big three banned green creatures, this one is the most agretious, and deserves to be unbanned the least.Rofellos needs to be unbanned. It was only banned as commander for years with no problem, and rule 0 and Braids now being legal gives no reason to keep this banned. Don't like it as a commander? Rule 0 it out. In the 99? Only strong early turns in mono green, and so what? Tons of other green cards are just as strong in that situation.Primetime is straight up bonkers, but doesn't lead to unfun play like Sylvan Primordial. I think all three should be unbanned fyi.
>>98574745>TQ: What are your experiences with board wipes and cards that effectively reset the game?I'm an Abzan man, so I fucking love 'em. LOVE EM
