Beef and Onions Pizza EditionPrevious: >>98559801>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Do you guys buy fast food during commander night and have you actually played for the last slice or something?
>>98568599>TQ: Do you guys buy fast food during commander night and have you actually played for the last slice or something?Of course not. We don't eat goyslop like that. We eat before we play and just drink, like respectable white men. If we get hungry we make something, have some healthy snacks, or rarely order a pizza. Food + Cards don't very well.
>>98568604holy based
>Dump your entire deck onto the battlefieldWHAT COULD GO WRONG?!>98568599>TQWe usually by pizza when we play, we don't eat while we play.
>>98568604My group prefers to smoke, but sometimes we drink as well.
>>98568599>TQWe usually end up getting pizza but we never played for the last slice iirc
>>98568616How does Valko factor into this combo?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98568641Probably just allowing all colors of Phyrexians in the deck without taking some generic WUBRG goodstuff commander.
Built Mable, now this. Tips? Going all in on bats.
>>98568599>TQ: Do you guys buy fast food during commander night and have you actually played for the last slice or something?Our LGS recently opened up a kitchen. But it's pointless because there's a bomb-ass hot chicken place just down the street that's so fucking good.
>>98568604And we drink exclusively filtered tap water, of course. Or a pre-workout protein shake, if it's gym night.
>>98568618As a respectable gun-owning white man, I don't smoke. We usually all get something special and call it a "Magic Beer" and each share a bottle with each-other. It's usually something strong. Not unusual for us to each down four 10%+ Magic Beers and get pretty tipsy by the end of the night.>>98568683Based. I will do better (sometimes).
>>98568661I was going to say put in a Bloodletter of Aclazotz but that nigga ain't a Bat like I thought he was
>>98568698There's not very many good bats, but at least they have flying, so I can hedge that.
>>98568653Okay but then how is Maskwood Nexus helping when you're already running praetors and even something like 2x Jin usually means you're going to win?
>haven't played in a year or so>bored, think about going to LGS commander night>remember there have been like 7 sets worth of new cards I wont know>people acting weird because I own cards worth more than $5>tranniesI hate Seattle.
>>98568724Fuck man, I didn't make that. Don't ask me. But use your imagination and imagine some non-praetor cards that are pure goodstuff that you would want to be able to shit out by sacrificing Realmbreaker and now you can.
>>98568727I'm halfway across the planet and I'm in a very similar situation. Sucks to be us.
>Want to buy some uw boosters/commander deck etc.>Nothing gets reprinted >Sold out everywhere Wotc sucks and I don't want to support scalpers who bought all of it when it was released and are now hoarding it
>>98568724Praetor is a creature type. Vasko has you load up the deck as a Phyrexian Tribal, and having both Maskwood and Realmbreaker lets you put EVERY creature from your deck into play. Not just the True Praetors, but any Phyrexians and Black creatures you slot in.Vasko just makes it on-theme, but the Maskwood+Realmbreaker has always been "put every creature in your deck into play".
>>98568737feels bad man. What's your pet deck?
Anyone willing to give some advice on my Celes B4 list? She's been my pet deck since release, and I'd definitely like to find some alternative win routes that don't revolve around Persist looping, or requiring Celes herself.I'm leaning towards the Hording Broodlord into Orcish+Saw In Half combo, and possibly slotting in Abdel Adrian for the off chance I get Animate Dead in hand.Also, please ignore the manabase, I'm slowly acquiring the rest of the shocks/fetch/checks/surveils im missing.>https://archidekt.com/decks/25618709/celes_persist_combo
Just won a game with my bracket 2 Yargle against two other bracket 2's and a weak bracket 4. Fucking game took 18 turns. Decks were so weak everyone had a chance to win, but there was so much interaction it knocked everyone back before they could get a win. First player didn't get knocked out until turn 14.Was tons of fun. I kind of prefer games like this.
>>98568746>Winmore combo that costs 18 mana
>>98568770where the fuck do you get 18 mana?Broodloop is 2 or 3 depending on what you use to start it, plus the cost of the reanimation you use. You can do the entire combo for 3 mana initially
>>9856878817. Mistyped.
>>98568770>>98568788wait, nevermind, im fucking retarded. just realized you replied to that other comment i had tagged
>>98568768This didn't happen btw.
>>98568768>Weak bracket 4The fact this is a statement that's not unusual speaks volumes to how atrocious the average player is at the game.
>>98568842Show me a Zo-Zu deck that isn't bracket 4, but is really strong. Their deck only had two game changers, Gamble and Jeska's Will. It had Blood Moon and a few others MLD, which is pretty much impossible to not include in a Zo-Zu deck.He's a great player and deck maker, but trying to improve his deck, but realized it isn't playing up to it's official bracket rating. He did win the game before this one though, as his deck did start to pop off and was the arch enemy from the beginning.
>>98568864Bracket 4 isn't based off commander.
>>98568864>I physically can't make monoR burn without MLDWeird self-report but okay.
I've been playing a lot of the cooperative Raid Boss mode in pokemon tcg with some friends, but even with its co-op changes to make it more interesting, pokemon is so fucking boring actuallyThe mode itself is real fucking good though, there's only one enemy with an automated deck full of things that fuck everyone else over and the mood at the table is completely different from edh game nightIf I were to set out and put together an EDH variant that was everyone vs an automated deck that served as the boss, what should I take into account? Assuming I want to make it so we can pick up the boss deck and play with what we have around for regular edh, though leaving the door open for specifically pve-focused decks to prevent the obvious bricking that will inevitably occur
>bootleg mage does not ship to my areafuck just when i found some good proxy maker
>>98568864there is nothing stopping b4 from being played as cedh, other than having "no infinites or thoracles before your t5"
bracket system in the long run is going to do more damage that power levels
>>98568975The bracket system is in the top 10 all time magic mistakes
>>98568975brackets is proof that even wotc is right twice a day
>>98568975Yeah now instead of jamming every retarded staple into your "power 7" deck you can only slam in 3 of them.
>>98569010And if you put any in your power 2 deck you have to play against power 8's
>>98569012Yes that's how running good cards works anon. Do you complain that you can't play lantern control in Standard because one card means you have to play Modern?
>>98568864>Show me a Zo-Zu deck that isn't Bracket 4...https://archidekt.com/decks/25758643/zozu_bracket_2>...but is really strongWhy? That's not the point of Bracket 2. Literally the definition of Bracket 2 is:A functional pile with no game changers, no mass land denial, no chaining extra turns and no two-card combos. Games are expected to run 8 turns before a winner is declared or a player is eliminated.Took me ten minutes to stuff together cards that fit Zo-Zu's theme without any MLD. It totally can be done.
>>98569039>voltron is bracket 3 minimumVoltron sisters...
>>98569040Are you a fresh retard or did you not get a solid enough flogging the last time you were talking shit you didn't know anything about over one of the simplest Commander deck types ever conceived?
>>98568599>TQ: Do you guys buy fast food during commander night and have you actually played for the last slice or something?Never. Usually hit up the local asian buffets after.
how do i get around a protection from black creature in a mono black deck help Animar is raping me
>>98569062Voltranny having a melty
>>98569073Colorless creatures.
>>98569012>he can't stop himself from putting GCs in a b2 deckeww slop
only retards think wotc is stupid enough to not allow killing one player at a time starting ~t4 via combat damage in b2 when so many UB characters fit this exact playstyle that wotc would like to sell you
>>98566949>>98565858>>98565853Thanks for the suggestions guys, I'll make the revisions
>>98569139Only retards can't read simple English sentences and count to eight.If you weren't just netdecking and spinning like a cunt all the time I'm sure you could find some draft chaft slow enough to play B2.
>>98569183here's gavin telling you that voltron is fine in b2 "as they wouldn't work otherwise", and if you're gonna cry about it "have a discussion" with your pod firsthttps://www.twitch.tv/videos/2597691530?t=00h54m28s
>>98569189The issue here is your average table won't believe you and no one wants to have a fucking twitch link on hand to play their shit deck. This is why I no longer play voltron.
>>98569189Who said it wasn't fine in B2? Are you hearing voices in the thread? Is Gavin in the room with us right now?You just make the Voltron deck slow enough to match other decks, how is this too fucking hard for you?
>>98569201i agree with you that the average edh player does not have phones yes
>>98569139The queen of green...
>>98569206if you actually bothered watched the link the question actually asks about voltron killing early and gavin answers in the affirmative
>>98569139>>98569209I'm too White to understand this UBrown babble.
>>98569237No one cares
>>98569237You'll be kissing the ring of your UB queens before long.
TICK TOCK
>>98569214I don't recall asking Gavin's opinion on deckbuilding. Its easy to meet the requirements of B2, if you can't do it, ask your parent, legal guardian or caretaker to adjust your deck for you.
>>98569208>just argue with the table for the right to play your deckBetter idea: Just don't play the deck type Gavin accidentally banished to B3+
>>98569262given that you're afraid of voltron you clearly you need to be handheld straight to b1
>>98569270Do you have some kind of dementia? You're the one insisting B2 Voltron is some kind of lost mystery of the old world. It's not only possible but easy. Take your fucking meds.
>>98569266Best idea: argue so that you can show both your intellectual superiority in finding loopholes AND your skill in a children's card game
>>98569273>It's not only possible but easy>easy?>yeah>ok i'll pick some draft chaft deathtouchers and kill you with fynn>nooooooo not like thaaaaaaaat
>>98569285... yeah. Exactly like that. What are you freaking out for?
I genuinely don't know how some people at my LGS can be so terrible at the game despite showing up every week to play. These people are utterly atrocious at deckbuilding even when you give them unlimited budget they make some barely-functional nonsense held up by maybe two $60 draw engines with neither in the command zone. When given infinity dollars they make a deck worse than a precon despite playing for months.
>>98569295>kills you t4 via infect>noooooooo it's against bracket twoooooo
>>98569303sheldon did a lot of long-term damage to the gamealways falling back on a subjective 'rule zero' that differs from pod to pod only made casuals not want to venture out of their bubble and thus they never get to meet actual competition
>>98569307... That would be a bracket 4 deck anon. Why are you shitting your pants over basic definitions?
>>98569332Then there is no way to make a poison deck under bracket 4
>>98569334you're talking to a retard that's afraid of sephara killing him on t6 on curve, that's how shit he is in a casual format
>>98569334Sure there is. It'd be hard to do it in Bracket 2, but Bracket 3 is simple. You'd basically be running as an infect combat damage deck. Fuck Aphelia would do it rather nicely, I've considered building her for that purpose.
>>98569351i love how you cling to brackets (that gavin made btw) while ignoring gavin's own words about voltron in an official mtg twitch stream, you don't even have the balls to just say you're playing rule zero
>>98569359That's not even what rule zero means, you're having an imagined competition with made up rules against an a delusion of an enemy.Frankly it was a mistake to humor you up to this point and it's still a mistake to humor you now.
Thinking of building this nigga any suggestions for the deck?
>>98568651this has been debunked
>>98569320Personally I really love when super obvious shit like "I resolved Rite of the Dragoncaller. Then I untapped with it a rotation later. Then another rotation later I played 10 cantrips on your end step." is labeled "cEDH".
>>98569364That guy is right btw
>>98569364Rule zero can be as extreme as unlimited mulligans + free looking at your topdeck everytime or as mundane as brackets except everyone starts at 50 life, you're just too pussy to admit you dont want to lose to voltron which more often than not are just kingmakers
>>98569382Nigger I play voltron at B3 and B4 tables all the fucking time. I am the danger. You just decided to have such a humongous fucking aneurysm when you said your own fucking manchurian candidate codeword that nobody could calm your tard rage down.
>>98568727>>98568737you rarely see troons at LGS in FLA. there was one at this massive hobbit prerelease thats about all ive seen. >>98568768sounds like real commander>>985689751000% truth
>>98569351It would be impossible in B2 because you are basically saying the deck can't really do what it needs to do until way after everyone else has started doing their thing. The deck would just be objectively weak.
>>98569396>voltron>danger at b4Lmao there's little differentiating b4 to b5 and a cedh deck will stomp you
>>98569405... yeah, that's how brackets work.Are you okay anon? Do you need someone to call a doctor?
thoughts on UB alternate versions of UB cards?
>>98569428I proxy Spongebob characters on all my cards
>>98569428I see no issue.>>98569443Extremely based
Someone in the pod said this is not ML"D" because it's not destruction it's a sacrifice.
Maybe something like this instead.>>98569443Too based for this thread...
>>98569401Maybe impossible for you. Imagine, dealing an average of 1.1 poison counters to each player per turn. The horror, how can such a thing be done?
>>98569425Imagine having such reading comprehension that the point is that a b5 can be ported over to b4, card for card, with little issue and that your opponents are pushovers for letting you be 'the danger'
>>98569471You don't have to make it any more clear you don't understand how brackets work. You've demonstrated it quite clearly.
>>98569474You've demonstrated that you are meltding down over a twitch video proving you wrong, alas, cest la vie
>https://archidekt.com/decks/25759044/belladonna_tookI finally put together the Hila Klein deck. I think it looks pretty solid, I'm trying to go wide with token creatures with approach of the second sun to attempt to get a win off of the draw and test of endurance to attempt to get a win off of the lifegain. So far I'm just looking at running basic lands, what non basics would you recommend?
>>98569465The token guy already has 500 tokens now by turn 8.
>>98569465>you're only allowed to deal 1 poison per turn in my pod!Man what a lame rule zero
>>98569482https://moxfield.com/decks/Wv3k-Ju8e0KqPpirrTfRbQthese ones for sure
>>98569492>>98569490>>98569478Why don't you all play pretend together in a pod and fuck off; that way you can have your little circle jerk and stop being annoying here.
>>98569516Clearly you're the one that isolates himself in his own bubble as randoms routinely kill people early with voltron gimmicks in b2 and nobody bats an eye
that's it for now thank you for coming to my ted talk
>>98569530What did I say about playing pretend anon? Nobody said any of this bullshit that you keep pulling out of your ass. You're creating this imagined world where Voltron MUST be given weird misinterpreted carve outs to play in the bracket that it's probably the most popular. And no matter what you say Gavin is not going to fly to Australia to suck you upside-down dick.
>>98569013I wonder if we'll ever get cards for compleated Toski, compleated Sarulf and compleated Koma
>>98569577>You're creating this imagined world where Voltron MUST be given weird misinterpreted carve outsIt's not a carve out at all, it's just fucking combat damage, which was edh all the way in the 90s, every color has a solution to it and combat is telegraphed and disruptible completely inline with b2But go ahead continue to close your ears from the truth gavin's video is forever and everyone will continue to kill people early via infect and commander damage muhahahhaa
This isn't MLD right
>>98569627No it isnt
>>98569627You tell me.
is this worth it in big stompy? it just seems a bit win-more, and i doubt my opponents will use it to go at each others throats
>>98568661Essence Channeler is fantastic in the deck, as are almost all the Bloomburrow bats.Put some Cave lands in for Bat ColonyCourier bat lets you bring a bigger creature back to your hand than Zoraline can allowI know it's UB but Momo, Friendly Flier (who i didnt know was a bat before I pulled it) can make the first bat you play each turn cheaper Leyline of hope is useful tooI have a budget deck of her that I enjoy
>>98569685>3 mana, do nothingYou tell me.
>>98569366Use that card from lorwyn2 that removes tokens to rez creatures
Looking to build some draft chaff up to be a commander than can hang in b2/b3.June Bounty Hunter or Mai Jaded Edge for Voltron?
>>98569737which
>>98569858Im retarded, dont mind me
>>98569867cute
I'm finally done with my custom Miku proxies, and as promised here they are for anyone interested in also playing a deck that's oops all Vocaloid without burning half a grand or whatever to play with only maybe 20 Mikus at once max. All edited and ready to be thrown into make playing cards dot com without any fiddling or worry about the bleed area. There's two custom backs to choose from this time, AI is really a game changer for this kind of small stuff. For some funny reason this basic version of my Serra Ascendant kept on triggering imgur's anti-porn AI or something, and not the Savannah, so it's not included since even when marked as part of a Mature post this card is too hot to dare be shared online. Took me forever to figure that out and actually get this link working today. Enjoy.https://imgur.com/a/its-secret-to-everymiku-MYQ7sT7
>>98569248>>98569254>Npcrecah that explains a lot
>>98569954You aren't special.
>>98569955just like those commanders
Why is Endless Foot Assault white if it makes black ninja tokens?
>>98568727are any of them cute at least
>>98569334I mean you could make it really badlybut yeah
>>98569458you might want to show them what MLD stands for in the actual bracket guidelines
>>98569674My god, my pod would scoop to this so fast.
>>98569685it's rather sovlfvl and the effect is pretty powerful for 3 mana but it only really pays off if you're already ahead on board.you can use it to asymmetrically. so I would say it's worth it but only if you have a ton of cards in hand and a ton of mana, and I feel like that usually isn't the case in big stompy decks. it's an asymmetrical boardwipe if you have multiple deathtouchers with power greater than 1. that's pretty neat
>>98569970Making weenie tokens is a white thing. The foot clan is Orzhov overall.
>>98569946Nice.I like the card backs, anon :) I just can't see Miku as a Giant Adephage...
>>98570007I'm confused on how to frame it for forgotten realms / baldur's gate. Shadow thieves? Harpers?
>>98568599>TQI don't drink, smoke, or eat fast food. The others do but they've never battled for a slice or anything
>>98570008You're just not looking at enough Miku.
>>98568599>TQDo you just play at home, or something? A lot of recent TQs are shit that no normal person would do in a crowded shop they don't own.
>>98570045Absolute Cultists?
>>98570078back in the day most people played edh at home I think
>>98570099Most people still do. Especially if you think using brackets is gay.
Whats the longest counterspell chain yall saw? Just got out of a game where a guy tried to PTE a voltron commander, it got counterspelled, the counterspell got swan songed, the swan song got dovin's vetoed, and the veto got sink into stupor We all popped off after seeing it play out
>>98570099It's not 07 anymore.
>>98570093just don't confuse it with cultist of the absolute
>>98570123oh i just realized it works too because Minty Fresh is also orzhov, cool
>>98570158yes minty fresh makes it insane, list I put together just now sucks but foot assault always results in hundreds of power
>NOOOoooOOOO MLD IS BAD AND YOU'RE BAD IF YOU WANT TO BUILD ITThread is full of anti-fun anti-gamers who want you to only do thing and draw card
>>98569946I really love these and want to thank you for doing them! I will be printing quite a few out along ith some tokens.Would you be willing to zip them and upload them to catbox so it's easier to download them all pretty please? Imgur keeps saying the download like is expired
I could heem the UB-tranny any day of the week
>>98570392Please use real words here anon
>>98570371Looks like the consensus is youre wrong and yet youre here every day to screech about how they're babies. What a life you live anon. Do you start fights at the LGS about how powerful of a game-god you are too?
>>98570395I could defeat the thread's resident cross-dressing sodomite in a bout of fisticuffs effortlessly
how salty is avacyn plus a repeatble board wipe like nev disk?
>>98570471If you can get avacyn out and have her actually resolve, you deserve to wipe the board imho
>>98570471That's completely fine. I do that kind of stuff with soul of new phyrexia and unwinding clock sometimes.
It's mail day, baby.Get anything good recently or got anything on the way?
>>98570401>ConSEsuS iSThat you will never be a woman troon
gavin-approved mldâ„¢ is pretty fun
>>98569946I like the alt-miku representation but the centered text is disgusting>>98570390add /zip to the end of the url
>>98570509it's okay that he doubles stone rains while becoming a larger flying blocker because you need to cast a spell every timethis is an incremental wincon that can be targeted by pretty much every form of interaction in the gamelist?
>>98570509Do you also run Spinerock Tyrant?
>>98570514>add /zip to the end of the urlhuh, didnt know thatThanks anon!
>>98570495yesterday I got my Street Wraith and Chevill for my Kraven deck which has finally reached its final form(but I kind of want to build another version leaning way into a specific theme...)
>>98570482it's one of those things that's harder if she's in the command zone than if she's in the 99. if you just Entomb + Reanimate her in a wbx deck it's a lot easier
>>98570522i'm just running the avg edhrec list and i'm already liking it, truth is i'm currently building aclazotz so i'll be taking care of that first>>98570525spinerock tryant is 100% an autoinclude
>>98570509can he really fly with those tiny Trogdor wings?
>>98570495got my queen of dale for breena, dwarven mauler and oin for magda, and 2 playsets of giant's boulders for my two pauper tron deckslife's good
>>98570500he seethes because he knows I'm right
>>98570594Nurse your delusions harder. Real gaymers would agree MLD should be game changers, to align with the overall balance of the mode.
When I came back to paper Magic after COVID killed LGS play, I fell in love with this fuck immediately. His donation ability is just so weird and specific. Players often have to do a double-take when they realize his "can't be sacrificed" effect sticks to the card permanently. And the "oh shit" when I Homeward Path the final player's donated board is incredibly satisfying.I love these commanders that operate on their own play axis. Other players are playing chess while you're in the middle of setting up your final card in Uno.
>>98570772Same with these guys, and to a lesser extent Skullbriar. Your opponents are trying to build their board states, meanwhile you're off doing your own thing. Players don't rightly shit themselves when you've stolen a big creature with The Master, not grasping that you've got that big creature forever. And while Mairsil's playstyle might mean you have a small board presence, every blink is bringing you closer to some massive insurmountable engine.Back in the day I loved making Mairsil some absolute voltron monstrosity with infect that could pump itself up to 10 off anthroplasm then tap/untap with Hateflayer to dome players out of the game.
>>98570770look out guys we got a real gamer here
>>98570772>>98570793based dimir enjoyer
>>98570509>have icetill>play wasteland/strip mine>keep nuking everyone and stay on curve since lmao 2 lands and playing fetches from my second hand>this bullshit is B3 KosherI love Gavin's rules.
>>98570803Das rite. And I'm here to put you in your place normalfaggot. Being able to run rhystic in b3 but not Armageddon is antigamer behavior.
>>98570813I like 2c in general (except Selesnya) though I want to make this chick work. I purchased all the archers for her and I've had her on the backburner a while now. The obvious answer is G/W control where you run a lot of Earthcraft effects. But I'm not sure what the payoff to having your mana up on each player's turn should be in those colors.
>>98570770>I NEED to windmill slam MLD on curve
>>98570852>griefers? there's never been any griefers! griefers are just a myth!!
>>98570826the only thing you're putting anywhere is hot pockets in your gut, fatty
>>98570827You could do sprout swarm because it doesn't even require earthcraft if you have a bunch of gay archers, but it's absurdly slow.
>>98570913Yeah but there's a critical mass of enchantments that turn your creatures into mana dorks. Enduring Vitality, Cryptolith Rite, etc. Plus you're in white so they're effortless to tutor up.I did consider Sprout Swarm a decent include though. It was in my maybe pile when I first eyed the deck. I liked the idea of a control deck with a lot of instant card draw on turns you don't have to answer things.
>>98570852How can it be on curve if it's 1 of 33 possible draws? That's not guaranteed at all. >>98570901Yes, and once I hit my BMI high score I will physically crush you, proving MLD's superiority and my elitism as a gamer
>>98570942God youre even boring to argue with, I've had my fill
>>98570951Sounds like I win, thus thread consesus is clearly that MLD should be quantified and changed to game changers
>>98568661Hex Parasite.
>>98570826Please contribute something other than your usual seven arguments threadshitter.
>>98569685Absolutely, it just takes some real game knowledge and thinking. Combat is ironically the most complex and most difficult wincon in EDH.
>>98570879Griefers can just as easily play boardwipe tribal.
>>98571122>we can't eliminate all crime, so why even bother with lawsboardwipe.dec can't stop you from drawing a threat or just casting your card advantage commander over and over
>>98571137MLD doesn't stop you from having threat on board beforehand, having rocks/dorks, or drawing lands.
>>98571167>MLD doesn't stop you from having threat on board beforehand, having rocks/dorkslol>but you can draw lands!and? where's the followup? thanks for dragging the game down, griefer
>>98571172>thanks for dragging the game down, griefer>JUST LET ME WINNNNNNNNNNNN
>>98571172You sound like a little baby bitch boy who cries when his commander gets countered.
>>98571178if you were truly trying to win via denying your opponents mana without slashing your own wrists you would do so in a clean fashion, but we all know what you really want in your dark heart, which is to grief ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Design routinely proves problematic with the amount of frustration it creates while adding almost nothing of value to the game>Designers remove it>Cue contrarian retards arguing that it's actually necessary to the gameStone Rain's never coming back to Standard btw
>>98571180>he thinks i rely on my commanderwell, i do, but not the way you think hahaha
>>98571194Yeah because we're getting Sinkhole in Star Trek baby!
>>98571196>Pretends he plays cedhFrankly embarrassing, kill yourself asap.
>>98571206>pretends he has real cardswho are you kidding retard i'm only enacting its logical conclusion
>>98571194Designing based on average player sentiment is how we got to modern card design and the modern art style. Face it, if you hate MLD you're the reason this is the game now.
>>98571217>We have black women on cards because WotC 2 years ago decided MLD was a thing for commander Leaping more than she is.
>>98571217mld can't even hack it at premodern and you expect it to work in edh? it's an awful strat through and through
>>98571232And thus should be un(soft)banned. 4 mana sorceries don't do shit in a game with fast mana and free counterspells.
>>98571236correct and that's why it's perfectly legal to use mld and be stomped on in 4 and 5 where all the fast mana and free counterspells reside :)
>>98571242MLD isn't any more overtuned or oppressive in Bracket 3/2 than Simic landfall is.
>>98571217Designing for only what you think "skilled" armchair experts like is how you get a terrible game nobody plays. See: Artifact (2018)Playerbases are a pyramid so even if your game is theoretically perfect at the top, if you never capture people at the bottom nobody will bother reaching that point. Because the core purpose of a game is to be engaging and with ever-increasing volume of competition available, players are much more ruthless with deciding how they will spend their time and money. MLD was removed from Standard because the response to someone playing an MLD troll deck wasn't "Wow, I should look up how to beat this, thus discovering its atrocious winrate in the face of well-built decks", it was "This game sucks, I'm going to play something else."But ofc you're just posting bait (I respect it, it's fun) so this doesn't really matter.
>>98571251just like in cedh where the kinnan player will yap and beg to have the game go on, simic landfall is dealt with by just killing them asap no matter what they say to you
I have extravagant replication, fractured realm, sphinx of the second sun. -> create a copy of fractured realm on my upkeep and unlock both sides, tripling all triggers and making 3 additional sphinxes-> kang attacks, I suspend 3 cards off the top, including nexus of fate and temporal mastery and millennium calendar -> table is malding that I have 2 extra turns-> I have 4x untap/upkeep/draw triggers, and 3x permanent triggers. 12x beginning phases-> millennium calendar resolves and kills them before I get through half of my beginning phasesThey were salty that they thought my turn was going to last forever (they were going to die to scrawling crawler or combat damage) then they were salty that my deck didn't even take an extra turn, and just nuked them.
>>98571264>killing them asap no matter what they say to you>blue to remove any real threats>green to have the biggest creatures on board that you have to outpace and get throughIf it was so fucking easy we wouldn't all recognize its dominance.
>>98571282Trinket Mage stop self-reporting.
>>98571282>yes anon i will pongify your threat>in fact i'll even have constant mists to sac my land over and over! ha take that voltron fag!>i'll even have some huge blocker to cover all my bases>ok what about the burn player and the artifact combo player over there? you just going to ignore them?>no i'm just being intentionally retarded here to make a shitty point
>>98571261>if you never capture people at the bottomCrazy how merely letting someone have an armageddon in their bracket 3 deck evaporates the playerbase. I'm hardly asking for much. >MLD was removed from Standardstandard died anyways>"Wow, I should look up how to beat this, thus discovering its atrocious winrate in the face of well-built decks", it was "This game sucks, I'm going to play something else."I know you're just pointing to the fact they exist but god I hate these types of people.
>>98571268>36 upkeep triggers
>>98571297>ok what about the burn playereverything wrong with the format comes down to the fact that 40hp was too much when you have 3 opponents.
>>98571312burn is a respectable b2/b3 archetype, simic players need not reply further
>>98571268this reminds me of something I had awhile ago. I tell the table to save time, I will be doing X, Y and Z and can win. Two scoop, one guy says he wants to see it instead of theory, so I demonstrate the combo. I have 30+ cards in hand, and infinite mana. He counters my combo piece. Except I didn't cast it, I was just demonstrating/explaining the cards, I never tapped anything. So since he wants to play it out, I'll exile his hand, library and permanents if he wants. He argues that by demonstrating and explaining the cards, I was performing the game actions and he could counter it.
>>98571086Hex Parasite and Blightbeetle are so much fun
What exactly is b4 about? I think this deck is b4? Is bracket 4 just honest bracket 3? Like how everyone just to call their overtuned-but-not-good-enough-for-honest-cedh decks a power level 7?Decklist tax, of course: https://moxfield.com/decks/VSHl8VB4R0GOMrMFW18YCQ
>>98571301Believe it or not, it's an extremely consistent pattern across card games that any sort of resource denial strategy ends up causing far more problems than it solves. MLD is a fantastic example of this because it wasn't even doing its job. Stone Rain in Modern didn't prevent Amulet Titan from becoming a deck for over 10 years, outliving 3 Modern Horizons sets and LTR. So the question became "What is this MLD adding to the game?" and the answer was "Player frustration."Notice how, as far as "remove problem lands" has gone, Stone Rain saw colossal powercreep with Price of Freedom now being a card that cantrips, costs less mana, and can hit artifacts. So it fills that hypothetical niche of being able to remove problem lands and does so much better than Stone Rain (it's still not useful because lands still aren't good enough to warrant the deck space btw). However what it doesn't do is let you consistently restrict an opponent's access to mana.It's very ironic that you complain about the designers reflecting an extremely common player preference in the game design, while at the same time demanding the rest of the game act as a safe space for your preferred strategy.
>>98571372b1 and b4 are essentially containment bracketsb4 is where you pinky promise to not play cedh and you just want to give your favorite waifu all the busted GCs while at the same time still have a low enough power level that mld wouldn't be laughed at out of the room
>>98571372Bracket 4 is where retards self-report being too retarded to play with the majority of retards (bracket 3). There is no real "bracket 4" because it's a fake bracket mostly populated by bad players running poorly-built GC piles.
>>98571390case in point, anon's deck is a terrible b2 pile that insists he must have necro and blood moon which he cannot tutor for anyway
>>98571382Same designers are now pumping out do-thing-draw-card and Spongebob versus Spiderman.
>>98571439Those designers are also making money because people are buying the cards while Artifact (a game that caters to your exact playstyle) is one of the biggest failures of all-time.
>>98571372B4 is basically off-season CEDH decks, as well as idiots who thought putting a bunch of GCs in a B3 deck magically makes it compete with B4.>B3 = tries to win "fairly" or at a slower pace>B4 = wombo combo thoracle out by turn 3>B5 = same as B4, but meta commander that enables literally instant wins
>>98571439did someone say do-thing-draw-card? i got you senpai
>>98571452STOP POSTING THIS!!! IT'S A BAD CARD!!! IT'S ONLY $80 BECAUSE GAYBOLASFAG IS INGLATING THE PRICE WITH FAKE LISTINGS!!!
>>98571388>>98571390>>98571410Valid points, thank you.All things are possible through the faith in Christ and the opening hand that empowers me. But which replacements do you recommend? I should just keep mana costs at 2-3 and replace them with card draw?
>>98571452What do I cut to get EVEN MORE do thing draw card? Because I don't think I have enough of it.
>>98571372I've been told to go play CEDH for casting a Ruination in a b4 game. I've seen a typical Kinnan deck say "I'm not running mox amber, a truly competitive deck would be running it, so this isn't a cedh deck.". That's what B4 is about.
>>98571464>IT'S ONLY $80 BECAUSE GAYBOLASFAG IS INGLATING THE PRICE WITH FAKE LISTINGS!!!This is true though.No one is buying it for 80, but retards are indeed trying to push it to that number.
>>98571471Sol Ring doesn't draw or trigger 'shtolaout it goes
>>98571475>My Kinnan deck can win turn 4, so it's not CEDHI have seen this argument as well.
>>98568864My monocolor decks always include one or two cards just to fuck over multicolors, especially if they're greedy and have almost no basic lands.
>>98571475>crying a about Ruination, a "you better have decent deck building skills" card>in B4>mox amber>truly competitive Where do you find these retards?
>>98571500Smelltable is majority dysgenics.
>>98571508It doesn't even fucking make sense. Assuming these idiots are actually playing B4, at least one of them should be up to their ears in cheap counterspells like swan song to bonk that shit.
>>98571465your deck is almost $600 on moxfield but has the shittiest two-color manabase, if you still need help you need to pay someone at this point
>>98571525"Should" is very different from "is". Remember the demographic that willingly plays b4.
>>98571563I sometimes play B4, if only so I can be a sweatlord with endless interaction. I'd feel like an asshole if I ran "oops all counterspell" in B3 or lower.
>>98571372The design purpose is to put all the decks that can threaten legitimate wins before turn 6 there, but because it's also the "no restrictions" bracket it catches everyone who wants to play 6 game changers without thinking about it.The platonic ideal is k'rrik v narset v blue urza v marchesa or something, all the archenemies are at the table.
>>98571605>I'd feel like an asshole if I ran "oops all counterspell" in B3 or lower.anyone can think you're an asshole for any reason, but this isn't broken at all
>>98571643I refuse to play against Baral because 99.9% of the time it's because someone's pissy about a previous game and is going to waste everyone's time countering everything another player does, turning the game into a 1v1 between the two uninvolved players.
whats your most niche deck theme?talm bout some jank and even some clunk, but with the ability to still win games
>>98571658>people think counterspells.dec will 99.9% of the time just be retarded, no one bats an eye>but say that mld.dec will also 99.9% of the time grief, everyone loses their minds and immediately white knights for the honor of mldlove it
>>98571693>Oops all counterspells is legal in B3>Even if MLD were reclassed to game changers you couldn't do oops all land destruction in b3I takes some noggin joggin but this seems to be anti MLD bait
>>98571730>i should be able to play rogsi in b3, it folds to a mono blue deck full of counterspells anywaysee how retarded you are? yeah, that's right
>>98571643I run Baral as Labman.dek and no one believes me when I say I only have 9 counters including narset's and progress tyrant
>>98571464it is pretty "fair" card for brackets 1-3 to be fair; no way it's worth the current price
>>98571331you cast the card, you got countered. you thought you were gonna win, get dumpstered trash
>>98571450Which is exactly why there should be brackets 1-5 and then cEDH.Bracket 5 would be your B4, and bracket 4 would be unlimited game changers but no wombo combo turn 3 win.
>>98571493based
>>98571542C'est la vie
>>98571835>The solution to 2 brackets only used by retards is 3 brackets only used by retards
>>98569303For some people thinking about the game begins when they sit down to play and ends when game night is over. Any time other than that they do not put time into the game or their decks. It's weird to think about considering how much deck tinkering is why I enjoy the game, but that's just how it goes sometimes.
Looking for some suggestions for this budget b2 thing, trying to keep it under 100$ still or maybe like 150$ at most.https://moxfield.com/decks/JZ_iBEBlmEGhJj085FZMuwIt's a Voltron deck and from my goldfishing can threaten a lethal swing by like turn 5-6 which is maybe too fast for that bracket?
>>98569976No. They look like autistic men dressed like teenage girls.
>>98572010If that was the case then you would think they would whine less while playing.
>>98572134trying to start shit again, are we? you must live an incredibly boring life
>>98572050does this really work? many of the equipment don't do jack to buff and there are a lot of copying which doesn't trigger prowess outside the cast itself
>>98572149No I'm just stating the obvious.>Person that doesn't invest any time into the game plays like shit then complains about not doing anything
>>98572207that's nice sweety
uhh why the fuck ain't manadrain a gamechanger? it's literally the best mana booster in the game. certainly above any current gc for how little it costs
>>98572272>literally the best mana booster in the gamelol
>>98572267I can smell you through the screen lilith, you smell like a man.
>>98572272Banning MD opens a can of worms with rituals as a whole that they don't want to touch because they know they're bullshit design but banning them would result in enormous bitching and moaning.
>>98572304incorrect, they actually opened the can of worms with removalby them making Farewell a GC it proves they're willing to take interaction away from the timmy bracket so if anything Mana Drain should also be a GC too, if only because it completely powercreeps Counterspell, a card they keep reprinting to oblivion
>>98572272Oh no, anyways... Mana Tithe do you pay the one?
>>98572304they already did that with jeska's and many others that were way worse. this also counters you know
>>98572395Yes
>>98572395>mfw I refuse to pay rhystic or smothering
>>98572357>>98572425Don't look at me. Blame Gavin's stupid logic when he said he won't put Mana Drain to GC and wants to unban JewLo.
>>98572551Lotus unban would be so nice. Let me at least try to play Gitrog cEDH since casual is such an unplayable shitshow ever since WoTC took over. Unban crypt too, just put them on the casual filters list with all the other good cards and keep disgustinf poorfags in bracket 2 prison where they belong.
Sheldon should have ruled with an iron fist to preserve the casual nature of this format. The banlist should have been hundreds of card long by the time he went out.
>>98572551jewlo dockside and mana crypt should be GCs too yes
>>98572576Sheldon was also retarded and biased which is how Arcum and Azami dodged bans despite being drastically better than Rofellos.
>>98572583I agree. He should have banned far more agressively.
>>98572576>shoulda woulda couldapoint is he didn't and he's dead, and the rc has been splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds
>>98572551unbanning mana crypt and JLo would be perfectly fine as long as they stay as GCsdockside and nadu can get fucked though
>>98570514Unless a card has a reason to be reminding you of what it does in hand with a keyword ability or an activated ability the lack of centered text in most cards is what's truly disgusting.
how could i take advantage of the freebies i would give out here? the fact that my opponents get to pick from 3 likely means i will reveal whatever plan i come up with to cope with the free value anyways
>>98572551should be unbanned just to drive home the fact that investors run this show
>>98572708Unban Black Lotus but not Jeweled Lotus
>>98572602the fact that rhystic is legal makes the banlist a joke, like cmon why is this fucking thing still banned
prices are cratering, scalpers lost
>>98572825Based.
>>98572825It's because that one dude finally built his deck, so now the weebs don't have any reason to actually give WotC their money. Good job, Anon!
>>98572761I can see why that is banned and prime time, but Rofellos... no way. He is way less busted than the other two when they come down, and in the 99 he is just a good mana dork, and only works in mono-green, which means you won't see him often. As a commander, you won't see him often, because of the reserve list, and if you think he is too powerful as a commander, you can rule 0 him out easily. FREE MY BOY
>>98572877whomst
>>98572825>print to demand>still have scalper cucksWent to 2 parties this month, each with 16~ peopleIt’s like MLM thinking is infesting everyone. Between games it’s just people selling 10% under market and trying to sell shitty slds they bought in bulk. There were a handful of people trying to sell this deck too. Guy bought a final fantasy sld at the last get together for too much, and pulled a yojimbo solitude. Scalper got pissed and tried to give the money back. Hate these cretins.
>>98572887Talking about:>>98569946Looks like the same deck basically but with the garbage cards cut out.
>>98572882>reserved listyour zesty elf will never be unbannedthanks sheldon!
>>98572893i hate the fucking chase cards so fucking much its unreal. its there just give scalpers who by en masse even more goodies.it doesnt end. with the upcoming sld boster they are splicing money directly into the scalpers DNA
>>98572979i have never bought an SL card as the vast majority of them are lbtq coastal nonsense
>Coomer proxies of the MB3 commanders are starting to be made
>>98573037>Coomer proxies of the MBC* commanders are starting to be madewe had coomer Nivea posted in this very thread.For me though? It's Flitwing. I don't care if she's probably slush art from some blue common sorcery from MKM given a name. She's cute.
>>98572825Good, and I say that as someone who bought it. I sincerely hope WOTC does this "some now, everyone else later" setup for SLDs going forwards. Imagine a world where scalpers ger perpetually fucked.
>>98573075I bought one too but I feel cucked because it's less valuable than I thought
>>98571388this has been debunkedin fact its not accurate at all and no one who isn't a retard thinks like this. bracket 4 is high power commander with no arbitrary lite-ban list or hurting fee-fee's by destroying lands. its also called S-CDR or high power strategic commandercedh is more similar to playing blackjack than commander. its not commander at all reallybut the fact you call cards on the beta test "game changer" list "busted" proves you are just a fag all around (which aligns with why you support Gavin the drag queen)–HOPE THIS HELPS!
>>98573037Best yet of the only one I want.
>>98571450this has been debunkedbracket is S-CDR. thoracle is not a win con in bracket 4. bracket 4 uses good cards to play commander. bracket 5 uses the format to play janky combos like thoracle. Hope this helps
>>98571464I'm not selling my foil book cover version until I can buy a revised dual with it so they're gonna keep on risin'RISIN RISIN, gotta keep on RISIN, MR MOJO RISIN!!
>>98573097>this has been debunkedThis is a funny way to start posts. Will start leading with this in response to everything I disagree with.
once upon a time this thread wasn't full of flagrantly obvious agendaposts and perpetually rehashed arguments
>>98573089>cedh is more similar to playing blackjackwell it should be more like poker but the incessant draws really turn me off
>>98572357>>98572395it only power creeps countspell because they got rid of mana burn. if you play with mana burn its fine>>98572732BASED>>98572761rhystic is a fair card in commander. let me guess you think sol ring should also be banned. you're the type of player who need's to have Acid Rain played against you in every match
>>98573125What kind of discussions did peopl have back in those days?
>>98573127if rhystic's a fair card then sylvan primordial is a basic land
>>98573113GLAD I COULD HELP>>98573126cedh is like black jack because when you hit 21 you win. getting your combo pieces on the board is like hitting 21. thats the goal of those games. bracket 4 you're still trying to play commander you're just using Mox Diamond and Mana Vault to cast big ol motherfuckers like 7, 8 mana cost (similar to ELDER DRAGONS) within a few turns instead of being arbitrarily sandbagged
>>98573138this has been debunked, sylvan primordial is in fact NOT a basic land and rhystic is fair (disenchant it or pay the 1 or counter it)HOPE THIS HELPS
>>98573081I mean it's still a free +$70 right now to all of us who bought one and have it in hand. It being a X3 for a second there on day one was retarded, don't scale anything to that. Who knows what the price will actually be by the end of the year, and then the inevitable change when we reach the shipment of all the other orders will crash it back down. I feel like it won't dip below $150 or if so then certainly not forever. It's freaking Miku.
>>98573092ay I brought from this guy, didn't know he already made a proxy of the commander I wanted
>>98573188Yeah I just ordered a rainbow foil of her from him. I hope the quality is good because his prices are so low.
>>98573198They're pretty good I brought the Toga/Loki card from him and I can't really see or feel a problem with it
>>98573125Before the dark timesBefore the /pol/ take over.
My pod LOVES playing fucking Smothering Tithe and Rhystic and shitWhat are some solid Enchantment duplicators so I can steal their shit
>>98573187> I feel like it won't dip below $150 or if so then certainly not forever. It's freaking Miku.People always say this about things that crash, NFTs come to mind
>>98572706Anon you seem to be mistaken, this thread is for shitflinging about proxies, mld, and ub on an endless loopRequesting help with edh deckbuilding is offtopic, as you might have noticed by no one replying to you
I have made alt-name proxies of all of my favorite characters that they have not made UB for yet. I will use them and not be embarrassed I will be slightly embarrassed
>>98573150>b4 is where you ramp and cast 8mana commanders and go battlecruiser and you don't combo off>this rule zero i have in my head is totally fair guyshaha you wish
>>98572706You fill it with shit that they will want to cast. Then you let them cast it. Then you will lag behind because everyone is playing your good stuff.He's like a meme bracket 2 at best.
>>98573232
>>98573232um, copy enchantment?
>>98573216the dark times started when /mlp/ was born
>>98573254>posts a bracket 5 necro commanderI guess some people really are retards. anyone who plays on Modo knows how bracket 4 games go and its significantly different than cedh (the C stands for cancerous)
>>98572706Things that they will want to cast, then you just play and tap this and take it all back.
>>98573301wdym i only have giant demons and i have no infinite combo and i win purely by combat damage why are you afraid of krrik? lol
>>98573301You're arguing with a larper who posts two commanders he doesn't even play like they're the objective best things in the world
It's cute when people naively think that bracket 4 is any different than 5
>>98573125Okay. Let's discuss the lore like it's 2011. What do you think Reality Fracture is building up to?
>>98573324it's easy enough to print whatever card but if you say playing with fake cards is larping then sure senpai :)
>>9857312990% of posts were "how do I build X", "how's my X list", "what do you guys think of this card?" and direct replies to those posts. the average post had one or two replies and the threads were a bit slower.see for yourselfhttps://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/%2Fedhg%2F/end/2017-12-31/this is all /edhg/ threads up until the end of 2017 (there were EDH threads on /tg/ before then, but the meme of titling threads in that format hadn't been ported over from /vg/ yet) and as a random sample here's the very last thread of 2017https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/57173477/#57173477almost every post is asking about a card or a deck. there's some excitement for RIX cards. a little complaining about the Dinosaur type supplanting Beast.the most obvious difference is that there are zero cases of anons engaging in poopdickschizoery, or blatantly agendaposting, or engaging in 20-post back and forth exchanges where every single post by both participants is just disingenuously misconstruing the other person's point and saying I WIN I WIN I ACCEPT YOUR CONCESSION or playing pretend Magic saying that they counter each other's spells like four-year-olds. disagreements occasionally turned into shitflinging but not usually as you can see by the thread. generally if one anon contradicted another, there just wouldn't be another reply. the longest chain in the thread is one guy saying that Eminence is "justifiable and not that annoying compared to other things in the format" while the other anon says he dislikes it because it can't be directly interacted with. it lasts for all of 7 posts, and they're all civil, tootimes have really changed
>>98573355You don't even do that. So yes, you are a larper.
>>98573363>everyone was here until the end of 2017>until the end of 2017>i honestly have no idea where everyone went to get their deckbuilding advice anymore, surely something didn't get really popular starting around 2018>yeah i have absolutely no idea at all
https://manabox.app/decks/AZ_m3EiVezi26vxWfVYHsgWhat do you guys think?
>>98573363>4chan thenMillennials>4chan nowZoomers
>>98573424have you considered running a bunch of replacement thief cards in the deck instead of that huge suite of cheat death effects? she's good for a 2drop but I don't think you're that concerned with her surviving as opposed to any similar card
>>98573363Because with the game's 2020 surge of popularity people realized that EDH is a crapshoot format where the average player is terrible at the game and expects everyone else to just lower themselves to their level. We literally just had an example of this where an anon asked about "bracket 4 Ares" despite the only power cards in the whole deck being Necropotence and Blood Moon so it's unclear why they're even aiming for bracket 4 with their deck.You basically can't give deck feedback either because the average EDH "player" acts like a fucking moody PO with how often they change the requirements surrounding their deck the moment you tell them what to cut, and the correct answer is always ALWAYS put more fucking card draw in the deck instead of a stupid fucking 5 mana card that does some shit like burn your opponents for 2 damage and nothing else. Tell someone what to swap in/out then suddenly it's a budget deck (no figure listed and the deck has tons of money wasted in completely nonsensical places). Give them budget options and suddenly all the cards need to be thematic like it's bracket 1. Give them cards that do both because they're playing Dragon tribal and they start saying "well what if I can't choose a dragon I control or reveal one in my hand when my commander is Miirym? I NEED to spend $3 on Counterspell to replace a $0.20 card!"It's fucking cope Olympics all the way down and I'm tired of it.
>>98573453She's more of a Voltron deck than a thief deck though because she probably has the worst thieving mechanic compared to Gonti or Black cat. I feel like I can sometimes get away with playing my opponents cards but mostly just beat people gradually with Widow.
>>98573232clever impersonatormirrormade
>>98573330bracket 4 and 5 are worlds apart. like they're not even the same game. only a true retard NO GAMES would say otherwiset. have play on MODO since 2011 and recently got back into paper and regularly play at 3 different LGS in my town (until last year brackets weren't a thing but power levels were)
>>98573363I think the average person here has the thought process that since this is 4chan you have to be an ass 100% of the time
>>98573468I kneel to your TRVTH NVKE
>>98573549I can show up with any cedh deck and it will 100% fulfill b4 criteria, your weenie hut jr meta does not change this
Things that were in style in 2017:Formats other than commander, where you could play any card legal in the format with the goal to winBalance design that didn't rotate every formatComplaining about the current state of things (always been popular)Posting on 4chan, including frogs
>>98573613Things only looked better because WotC designed cards exclusively for Standard and refused to ban cards unless they were so absurd they had 60% meta presence. Outlier being Splinter Twin which is why it was so controversial because it was basically the first time in years a card got banned by the standard which later became the norm we have today.
>>98573613>>98573643I have not and will never play a format that literally makes the cards you purchased useless. Whoever came up with the idea that purchased product magically expires should be slapped.
>>98573692>Whoever came up with the idea that purchased product magically expires should be slapped.This was never the case. You can still use all of them, just in another format or at kitchen table.
Oh wow, if I have any way of using these tokens to gain life this creates a fuckton of tokens huh. And I don't need to decide how much life I pay until resolution so they can't necessarily just remove my essence warden on cast.
>>98573712>you can still use them>except in (what used to be at least) the main formatStandard should never have existed. The game should have just been "put 60 cards in a deck, x4 of each max, go have fun." This is why I'm happy commander is the #1 format now. Fuck cards just magically expiring.
>>98573878>Thing shouldn't exist because MENo retard. Never retard.
>>98573883Good thing commander is absolutely crushing the life out of the other formats, because people clearly agree with the idea that a 4 player eternal format is far better than 2 player "oops your cards expired" formats or "oops your card is too new/old" formats.
>>98573874>Anon learns what a combo is.And its not endless. You only make the tokens once everyone finally decides not to pay. Then, all of the life paid in all round is vote and then you make rats.If you like a goober payed all but one of your life, grats, you get pinged before the ETBs triggered and you die.
>Week ago friend asks me to make him a proxy test deck>Just get me the decklist and I'll print it out>Week goes by>No word from him>See him at game night>Gives me a poorly written in pencil decklist on notebook paper instead of just making a moxfield or whatever link instead. >Gets annoyed when I tell him to upload it first.
>card is $20 normally>some guy is selling Simplified Chinese prints for $5How pissed off am I going to make people by using eggroll cards?
>>98573933ProxyfagsNot even once
>>98573933this never happened
>>98573878Commander fucking blows, 60 card formats are better, eternal formats are best, curated eternal formats like legacy are best
>>98573576this has been debunkednegro'ing off a combo or using thoracle as a win con is why that is in your containment bracket c[ancer]edh>not changing the autocorrect>>98573936not at all generally especially if its a well-known card. but even regular English cards need to be looked up on the Gatherer so its whatev's
>>98574026this has been....wait youre right. legacy and vintage ARE the best formats of magicbut commander still pwns standard modern and whatever other mongrel formats developed by various shiesters to scam off their 7th edition bulk
>>98573900I know it's not endless I'd bid the total I intend to bid for on the first round. I wouldn't get pinged because other than goblin bombardment or a blood artist (things I can see when I cast this) no one runs bolt EDH anon get with the times. 7 mana make 20 creatures itself is huge.
>>98574058>I wouldn't get pinged>except by these things that will ping me that people do infact run>no one runs bolt
>>98574069That card literally doesn't do anything
>>98574040Thoracle is a b4 legal card
>>98574093It does five damage to any target I want for one mana.
>>98574143he cute
>>98573237NFTs don't have an MSRP they were originally sold for. Literally all SLs just plain go up no matter what, Miku will surely be worth more than $150 with time unless they decide to reprint it to death for some reason.
>>98574058lightning bolt is in every single one of my red decks that isnt 5 color (I only have 1 5c deck)>>98574105attempting to win with it on t3 is not (that would be c[ancerous]EDH
>>98574217>unless they decide to reprint it to death for some reason.Didn't they already confirm the Miku deck was being print on demand?
>>98574228well i havent seen it because everythings four toughness now
>>98574237Only for the people who ordered it on the one day it was available, and it was still limited to 1 per person.
>>98569374It can't even spell "forty" even when typing on a machine that can check its spelling.Don't expect much from ritual shitposters.
>>98574228Time to sandbag my thoracle until t5 then
>>98574241>except the thing, that I said in my original post that i hope isn't removed, a soul sister, which is just a 1/1 or killing me, myself.
>>98574237That's not what reprint means, learn English before posting.
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>>98574285If Miku decks are print to demand and they printed a billion of the things it's the essentially the exact same shit as doing regular reprint runs because a fuckload are now in circulation.
>>98574322They were print to demand for 24 hours and are gonna come out next year, right now jack shit is in circulation.
>>98574339Proxyfags win again, they'll be in our filthy hands within a month tops. Fucking WotC.
>>98574387Proxies are bad, mmmmkay
>>98574387>I need to proxy shitty miku arts to appear as though I have money and engaged in fomo like a doofus with no self-control, which ironically, is what I am as a proxyfagsIf you call that winning, sure.
>>98574397Ok, enjoy owning a Miku "deck" with only 11 Miku cards on it by the time they decide to ship it to you literally next year lmao.
>>98574397>waaah waaaah proxies bad
>>98574404>Enjoy owning itI don't own. Won't own. Just calling out the mental damage it takes to feel you need to proxy bad product simply because one needs the illusion that they engaged in fomo like a retard.
>>98574414I don't know what you're going on about with all this talk about fomo. I just plain like Vocaloid and they hold a special place in my old internet heart. Also this is an official licensed excuse to be as big an anime faggot in public as possible while playing Magic.
>>98573936You tell me.
>>98574417He's a shitposter who likes to derail threads.
>>98574420Back in my day derailing a thread meant. . . nothing at all actually, it was just a lot funnier.
>>98574417>I don't understand what this fomo is>OMG I COULDN'T BUY PRODUCT BUT I NEED IT! I NEED TO PROXY SO PEOPLE THINK IT DID!Not that complicated, but proxyfags are dumb, so that's not anything new.
Of all the slop that deserved mechanically unique cards, Miku was one. I will forever be salty dead IPs like Walking Dead got cool cards and Miku gets shitty reskins where 80% of the art is garbage and even the flavor text is lame as shit. Rape and kill all WOTC staff!
>>98574427Nigga, I literally bought both the Miku deck and the Miku proxies. I was making a comment on how WotC's shipping and printing policies suck. People can like both real and fake cards at the same time.
Why the fuck is Morphic Pool so damn expensive?
>>98574433To be fair that's what most Vocaloid music was at its core in real life anyways. Just a bunch of 2hu remixes and ripoffs with sprinkles of originality from the creative types that got their hands on her. Life is truly circular.
The fact that using proxies is so normalized in MTG compared to every other TCG just shows how insanely dogshit WotC reprint policy is.
>>98574458All it shows is MTG players have a massive issue with impulse control and need to cheat.
>>98574463And an ever present desire for big anime butts.
>>98574447Not reprinted as many as the other ones in the cycle, and dimir lands in general seem to end up being more expensive for some reason.
>>98574458Yes. If WOTC had a brain beyond "MAX PROFIT RIGHT NOW FUCK THE FUTURE" someone would have started copying what Yugioh was doing with reprints a decade ago.
>>98574458It's normalized because commander is the most popular format and isn't sanctioned. WOTC cannot control anyone using proxies in private games.
>>98574471Are you high? Yugioh is far, far worse when it comes to reprints, they regularly crash the prices of everything so everyone can have the cards. That's simply not a place Magic wants to be and I'm saying this as a proxyfag.
>>98574474WOTC could absolutely crack down on stores that allow wide spread proxy play and you can bet some jew is doing the math
>>98574485That would require a shit ton of effort and probably millions of dollars.
>>98574484>they regularly crash the prices of everything so everyone can have the cardsand how exactly is this a bad thing?
>>98574484Yugioh wants people to play the game with yugioh cards, Magic doesn't care.
>>98574490Because fuck you.
>WotC: STOP USING PROXIES!>okay then reprint these cards>WotC: WTF NO THINK OF THE COLLECTORS!!!!
>>98574494Unironically, Seto would never let HIS game get to the point where people can't afford to play it.
>>98574502I think he would get off quite a lot to the thought of Joey Wheeler literally being too poor to play the game.
>>98574512Only Joey though, he'd likely make it a rule that to do business with his company, you have to sell at a mark up to Joey.
Pokemon does it better than either one anyways, alongside printing better quality foils and promos in general. Literally every card game should just print two card games at this point essentially, one set up for the whales that collectors can waste their lives and money on trying to crack and then boring looking common versions of meta cards that normal people can buy and compete with for pennies.
>>98574471It's not just Yugioh but every other long running card game does good reprints. Pokemon does big reprint sets for every good card currently in standard. One Piece does yearly massive reprint sets and also does constant reprints in starter decks.
how toxic is stasis if I don't use it to lock - and use it like a 'time stop' enchantment that I'll sacrifice in a turn or 2. If everyone is not untapping, it should go by fast. I was thinking of abusing it turn 3 or 4, or when I'm behind to catch up.
>>98574531Yes, Pokemon Foils are fucking outstanding. Magic can;t even decide what kind of foils it wants theses days. I swear there are like 6 different types of foil now.
>>98574539>it's another mono-blue deck that splashes black for some reason
>>98574531Unironically MtG is trying to transition into this and it's struggling because its native IP is so weak.
>>98574495>I might, possibly, maybe, perchance, run into someone playing with true duals while I don't have them, and that's unfair, so I'll do all the mental gymnastics to excuse the fact I am such a little piss boi who can't handle the idea that people might have things I don't.
>>98574539>Commander doesn't sac artifactsPutting a lot of faith in always drawing both parts of the combo there aren't you anon?
>>98574531But mtg already has two 'games'Play boosters, which is limitedCollector boosters, which is a lottery
>>98574562No they're struggling because they took that advice too literally and started literally selling two kinds of packs at the same time, while raising prices on both of them instead of lowering the price of normal packs.
>>98574568???? what combo>>98574560It's a kang time deck bud, special guest malboro
>>98574560oh, and this was my previous deckhttps://archidekt.com/decks/21159729/time_force
>>98574563You need a psychiatrist
>>98574563Oh look we've summoned the anti-proxy fag. I'm sorry that you have buyers remorse for your damaged 700$ volcanic island while everyone with a brain is using a 7cent one from aliexpress.
>>98574589But enough about paying artists when ai art exists
>>98574593huh?
>>98574593wut
>>98574602Oh look we've summoned the anti-ai fag. I'm sorry that you have buyers remorse for your shitty 700$ art piece from a retarded artist while everyone with a brain is using one from midjourney.
>>98574611I just steal artists art for my proxies.
>>98574593Are you trying to imply proxies are stealing money from wotc? You do realize they haven't made money off dual lands in 30 years, right?
>>98574615I steal artist art to train my models so i can a proxy for my talentless ass :)
>>98574611But enough about paying ai when your hands and brain exist.
>>98574619Are you trying to imply ai-art are stealing money from artists? You do realize they were never supposed to earn good money like the ancient greeks correctly determined 2000 years ago, right?
Oh look we've summoned the anti-theft fag. I'm sorry that you have buyers remorse for your shitty 700$ cardboard from a retarded company while everyone with a brain is strong-arm robbing nerds instead.
>>98574623But enough about paying chang when your hands and sharpie exist.
>anit-proxy fag has literally zero arguments against using proxies so he starts spewing shit about ai to derail the thread
>proxyfags are so stupid they will defend artists to be paid even though their work is 100% proxiable
Does this dude not know you can get proxies with original art instead of ai gooner slop?
>>98574630Yes, instead of ignoring it, and not responding, you must vague post to attempt to get people to respond to you. That is both an argument and not at all trying to detail the thread.
Oh look we've summoned the you wouldnt download a car fag. I'm sorry that you have buyers remorse for your shitty 700$ genuine artist proof from a retarded artist while everyone with a brain has already determined that authenticity is worthless and yes we would download a car.
>>98574639>going the extra mile for original artAm i supposed to be impressed? You dont care about the green dot and the T why would i care that some art was sweated on?
>>98574585>I will only play Winter Orb with the intent to sac it shortly after>Does not have guaranteed sac outletMuch like the Avacyn player who claims they only play Armageddon to win the game, I doubt the legitimacy of your claim.
I don't even know who is arguing what at this point.
>>98574653There is a schizo in this general 24/7 who goes berserk whenever anyone brings up proxies.
>>98574653Proxyfags are fine proxying corpo work but they do be uppity when you start proxying artist work ehAlmost like they wouldnt want you to steal candy from little timmy but stealing from wholefoods is fine it do be a rounding error anyway
Oh look we've summoned the repeating whatever the last guy said fag. I'm sorry that you have buyer's remorse for your shitty 700$ repost from a retarded website while everyone with a brain has moved on in the thread already.
>>98574656You're frothing at the mouth already at the idea of me training my models feom every artist you know :)
>>98574652???? do you not know what stasis says, it's literally highlighted in the image. I'll post a second one.
Oh look we've summoned the i gotta have the last word fag. I'm sorry that you have buyer's remorse for your shitty 40,000$ college education from a retarded college that never taught you to argue out of a paper bag while everyone with a brain is just learning liberal arts for free on youtube as proxy just like they use ai art as proxy for their lack of talent.
>>98574679I'm retarded and can't read. For some reason I thought you said Winter Orb, not Stasis. Never mind.
>>98574495chang appears, with better quality cards than wizards... "can I interdast u in TROPEECU IRANDO...2 DORRAH">nuthin personnell kid >many such cases
My whole deck is alter proxies so I can slip in a few custom cards here and there. My goal is to see how many custom cards I can add before someone notices.
New thread abandon whatever dumpster fire this one has become.>>98574745>>98574745
>>98574750no u
