Play Titanicus edition.Previous thread: >>98565093>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/1accdP>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: Are you gonna build anything today?
>>98576645>TQI've been trying and failing to print the battlecannons of my legion malcadors.
>>98576645Not for this game.
Your Savior has arrived! (As long as you subscribe to his Patreon and wait another 2 years)
HYPE for circle edition
>>98576645I do have 3 Spartans, 4 rapiers, 20 tacticals, and 20 assault marines left to build for my word bearers...but I'm busy with kingdom death stuff. I'll probably return to 30k when I've finished painting all my expansions.
>>98576757He has such a myopic view of wargaming that I'm fairly confident anything he outputs will just be a retread of 6th(40k)-1st(HH) including directly replicating game design elements just because they are in those editions even when they are bad. None of his content suggests that he's got anything in particular to add or would be even as competent at game design than a GW intern.
>>98576645Finished my Crimson Paladins and I've had my fill of painting trim for a long while. I painted up a squad of Khorne Berzerkers last year and I swear they took less time than these five. Glad with how they turned out though.Taking a break to assemble a Predator Tank. Gotta jury rig some Iliastus assault cannon sponsons and make it a proper Baal Predator.
>>98577176These look awesome !
>>98577257Thank you!
>>98577094>anything he outputs will just be a retread of 6th(40k)-1st(HH) including directly replicating game design elements just because they are in those editions even when they are bad.Idk that guy, but I happened to learn of 40k (and HHG) at around that time.I see the current HHG 3.0 and 40k 10E and cannot help comparing it to the 1.0 and 7th from when I learned the rules."This squad used to have options and flavor". Even though many options were either auto includes or too niche to consider...but they had that choice. I'd rather make a mistake than GW optimize the choice for me.I'm not stubborn, I won't deny the additions that have worked, or the simplification of unnecessarily convoluted stuff. Rhinos are usable now, for starters!...but they did take away Tank Shock, and the version from 7E was the best there was. A pity nobody seemed to use it – it cleared squads off objectives just like losing combat. And in the movement phase, to boot!
>>98577383>Even though many options were either auto includes or too niche to consider.Then they werent really options. If you have 100 weapons options, but you only ever take one weapon, you have one weapons option.If you have 100 units, but you only ever take one unit, you have one unit. Its better to have four options, but those options are competetive among each other and you have reason to take them, than have six options of which at most two are ever worth considering and in reality you only ever take the one.
>>98577383>..but they did take away Tank ShockSort of, now you just deal straight up damage.
I have just noticed the old m4 shoulders are smaller than the new MK4 shoulders. Should I still go for it?
>>98577399Ah you said it! It's better to FIX those options and make each of them viable, than to simply make the most viable option the standard and that's it.>>98577410It would've been nice if the strength of the hits was based on the vehicle. Rhino's AV12 / 2 = S6. It has a dozer blade? S+1 = S7.
>>98577485>It would've been nice if the strength of the hits was based on the vehicleSure. Maybe even the number of hits, could even play around with it with options (something something traitors get spiky wheels and cause d6+3 hits instead, superheavies have "crushing treads" which cause the hits to be ap3 breaching 5+...).
>>98577485>It's better to FIX those options and make each of them viableYes. In an ideal world you have the maximum number of options and theyre all viable. In the current world you have slightly less options but theyre all* mostly viable. In the world of before you had a lot of options, but only one was viable.
are there any known in universe advantages to mk5 or sarum helmets over mk4 and 6, or would the latter two generally be preferred if available? was planning to print some for converting some of my beakies into mk5, and was considering also replacing some heads on otherwise unconverted mk4s and 6s, but unsure how common I should make that. Sons of Horus, if that's relevant
>>98577176the heads look off
>>98577458Go for what? Yeah the nu pads are bigger.
>>98577536uhhhhhhh i think the vox loudspeaker mounted to the helmet/alongside the respirator grille might be potentially a little louder on something sarum-looking as opposed to counterparts idk senpai
>>98577554>Go for what?Using the old m4 resin shoulders.
>>98577536Maybe simpler to manufacture and maintain? Less things that can go wrong in the field while fancier functions can be replicated with additional modules.
>>98577399>If you have 100 options, but you only ever take one, you have one option.Nta but I don't really care about winning so I do end up using a lot of things for flavour rather than usefulness when I play 1.0.
>>98577565this is a good point if not the primary one with darth vader helmets in mind and how they sit in the settingindicated in mk.v and mk.vii being both patterns of desperation. there's likely elements about the helmet that are simpler to fabricate or maintain, and it seems to have a segmentation/interchangeability of the faceplate region going on to an extent
>>98577536Sub-patterns are generally a result of a Legion saying "we 5000 helmets that meet thes minimum specs" and the Forge World giving something that meets that. Sarum was a major traitor player so it just makes sense.
>>98577558I don't see why not, just don't mix them with the new ones on the same model, it will look off.
>>98577581Sub pattern means sub human brah, Bodt had it cooming.
>>98577589autek mor is a peerless war criminal that slaughtered countless defenseless infant eaters in their brainwashing vats because he is an honorless cur
>>98577565This.>>98577581I'm not sure I'd call Sarum a major player considering in their own fluff they get their empire broken by the WE they called for help during the crusade. They are more of an underdog that's liked by most people out of setting.
>>98577593Hush now, we've found a cure to the butchers nails, it's a moon.
>>98577612the absolute iron hvnd
Do we reckon the first born marine flyers will get rules for Hh?
Turns out these cheap thunder armour prints do come with a backpack but their scale has been monkeyed with to look more thunder warrior.I just wanted one to be an epic scale statue and he looks impressive in that role. Maybe I'll use the spare guy to represent Enynid Harr in the good old days as a War Hound killing South Africans.what fucks me up is somehow their slot still fits in a 25mm slotter base somehow.
>>98577176Looking good!
>>98577536>are there any known in universe advantages to mk5 or sarum helmets over mk4 and 6We don't know, it was never stated.There must be some kind of trade off involved, otherwise MkVII-I wouldn't have used the same design, only to be changed again in MkXMaybe it was just cheaper and lighter than adding an extra faceplate over the grille. Maybe it was a matter of better air intake vs an armoured face plate.
>>98577584>just don't mix them with the new onesThat was the question.
>>98577552Don't know what to tell you. >>98577665Thank you!
>>98577511The real world cannot be ideal because of lack of resources, distribution problems and vulnerability of systems to bad actors.This is just a choice and a little math.
>>98577764>The real world cannot be idealCorrect, which is why the current paradigm is largely "good enough".
>>98577770But this isn't the real world, it is the make-believe world! Ideal IS within reach.
>>98577778>But this isn't the real world,fuck off neverborn
>>98576645Have any Titanicus bros put their titans on the new LI bases?I'm leaning toward using the old bases but I'd like to hear a second opinion from anyone who likes the new ones.
>>98576645is fafnir getting discontinued? he's been out of stock for a while and was supposed to be back at the end of this month, but my go-to shop just postponed the date by a couple of months
>>98577864Anon I think your shop just doesn't like you
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>>98577864Don't give me hope.
>>98577983And then they kissed and khorne gave her/him the old chainsaw dildo and CROSSED times were had by ALL!The End
I was looking at today's Black Book's PDF article, and noticed the old containers in the background of this pic.Did FW ever release those? There's a STL around of them? I remember that there were tons of them in the Calth diorama, and they look more 30k than the overly gothic 40k plastic containers.
>>98577536Nothing explicitly stated. If I were to speculate though, MkVI supposedly had a complex sensory suite and dual circuitry design to ensure redundancy. I assume the manufacturing, repair, and maintenance to be more resource intensive as a result.No idea about mkIV though. Never really understood why maximus armor was regarded as the most advanced power armor in service, or perhaps ever made.
>>98577176Nice paintjob anon
>>98577176They look beautiful, anon. Have you played any games with them yet? If so, how do you like the way they play?
>>98578312if it's a forge world diorama then 90% of the board will have been scratchmadefrom WD Dec '16
>>98578312There used to be a third party store that sold containers that looked just like that. In resin though, so were hella expensive.
>>98578409are you talking about gamemat?I have this set and the containers are absolutely massive
>>98578422Those are the ones, yes
>>98578401>>98578409>>98578422Thanks anons!
>>98578401I still have 100+ plastic MkIV on sprues. That classic WE diorama makes me feel like I should try to use them for an old school pre-HH WE force, but I'm wary about the lack of chain axes in good enough numbers...
>>98578477>"WorldStar, brothers!"
With the september price hike just around the corner, and building a decent army becoming less of a hobby and more of a luxury indulgence, are there any GW kits that cannot be replaced by just having them be 3d printed?
>>98578477>but I'm wary about the lack of chain axes in good enough numbers...Get your local 3D printer to run off a tray. That should keep you stocked for years.
>>98578527>primaris gun
>>98578527
will working on a rough draft updated Imperator rules I can playtestDo you think making vortex templates only 3" and maybe a 4+ on whether it scatters would be a wise tradeoff given the wiping of all voids and crazy damage (not to mention instantly deleting infantry/tanks in LI) and the fact a Warmonger can fire up to 8 of those fuckers per game assuming they don't choose other missiles like Warp, MD or Plasma?
>>98578819I say, fuck the balance. When a vortex template is on the field, all sides involved in the battle should be shitting their pants. It's the only way to portray vortex properly.
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>>98578976That's just a destroyer wielding a rad missile launcher.
>>98579069THIS is a rad missile launcher.
>>98577094Good, modern GW designers suck dick.
>>98579112Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Couple assault vets
>>98577399And this is why people like you should be taken out into the alley behind the GW and beaten to death with the store Dread-in-a-sock the moment you reveal your worthless subhuman mentality. If you have 100 choices but limit yourself to only one because you're such a myopic, pathetic, juvenile homofaggot that the only joy you can squeeze out of your miserable excuse for a life is making "optimal" tabletop wargaming lists, the problem is you. The worst part of it is 99.99% of the time you dumbasses are just flat out *wrong*. You hyperfixate on simplistically mathhammered out "proof" that what are in reality utterly trivial differences in efficacy actually mean something is completely worthless compared to the alternative choice that's 0.0000000000000000000000012% better in a completely artificial statistical scenario that has no fucking relevance to actual games played on actual tables. You piss and shit and squeal and sob at the prospect of someone taking a powerfist on their character because they think it's cool because OBVIOUSLY their WHOLE ARMY will be WORTHLESS if they don't take a Thunder Hammer on EVERY MODEL that possible can, I mean do they not even comprehend that it's marginally less points efficient?!?!!!!!!1111112w1e2q1!And in the end, all the focus on stats and listbuilding is just to desperately try and avoid confronting the reality: you're shit at the actual game. Every mathhammering, stat-spouting, optimal-option-choosing netlisting piece of shit I've ever played has been an absolute fucking brainlet once models meet tabletop, and the sweetest thing in existence is watching you fucktards desperately try to rationalise to yourselves why I just pissed all over your fucking face with my "unoptimal" fluff list.Do the world a favour: find a truck to jump in front of.
>>98579546Based
>>98579546Holy based
>>98578348>>98578357Thank you both!Played with proxies before, but they're a solid pick for Blood Angels. Shields reduce damage of nasty hits down by 1 and Blood is Forever means if they're outnumbered they get a decent feel no pain 5 or 4+ save depending on the size of the horde they're fighting.Way tankier than they look. They also have line.
>>98579500Their shields look like beyblades.They are Chads, is what I mean
>>98578527looks cool, but why the primaris part? surely there are 3D prints that close to the Heresy era.
I want to get into Horus Heresy, I don't find 40k very fun it's mainly the people who play it really, they complain about my choices of what i have tldr, I already have small legion built & primmed for paint but my problem is what legion i like several of them so I'm at an impasse the Legions i really like are 1000 Sons, Iron Warriors & Ultramarines now I can't really mix these 3 together because reasons, so i thought maybe i could use the 3 Legions as inspirations for a Blackshield Warband I have an idea for the livery & heraldry and i have a grasp of the rules for Blackshields but would people crash out if i were to do it or should i just pick 1 Legion and be content?my paint scheme would be a dark Gun Metal grey, with red/maybe gold runes for livery, while using Pteruges on some parts of the marine.
>>98577485>It would've been nice if the strength of the hits was based on the vehicle.listen, i don't know if you've ever been hit by a car, but don't
>>98576645>TQfinally got my order from WTG, building up a third predator and soon to make 20 more despoilers
>>98579964cool beans m8
>>98577711Idk if it's the sculpts but the heads do not rest at the flat part and it looks off, if that makes any sense. I like the paintjob tho.
>>98579964I like the knife guy
>>98578401Dioramas like this are kino, the Istvaan V diorama with Ferrus and Fulgrim also
>>98580081Dioramas Are kino. I want to make a couple small ones myself but the cost is too high.
>>98579500Legion?
>>98580102No
>>98580095Agreed since they showcase the scale of the setting while you can also focus on smaller heroic actions taken by individuals. I need to make one myself and also collect a folder of them.
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>>98580120
>>98580127ok there andrew ryan
>>98580136I don't feel like I deserved that.
>>98580145;3 <3
>>98580127>>98580107Ashen Claws? Pretty good to be honest. How did you paint that blood stain and yellow? I love it.>>98580136I've played the game, but it has been so long that I've forgotten. Was the joke "enlightened" centrist?
Some of you Thunder Warriors are alright.Try to bail out of tomorrow's Ararat operation. Trust me.Big happening. So long warrior roid ragers.
Any chance of a Liber Custodes? I'm considering doing a stupid thing.
>>98580459The blood is just tamiya clear red, the yellow is averland sunset over zandri dust sponged brownThey're just my blackshields.
>>98578976"Fulgrims dildo, coming through here"
>>98578477Wartable games sells the forge world chain axe sets for like $6 or $7 a set, I think you get 10 in a set. Theres also March of War, a company in the UK who sells sets of them (they even come with chains attached!), but since hes UK based, his shit is like 10 for 12 pounds+tariff+taxes+tip (and thats with the cheapest shipping option. Fucking guy charges FORTY FUCKING EXTRA POUNDS for the "express" shipping option....fucking joke), so it ends up being pretty expensive if youre in the US (I just made like a $230 order from him, and it was all weapons, misc accessories and shoulder/vehicle icons. Fucking HATE the UKs shitty shipping policies along with trumps shitty tariff faggotry).
>>98580500Mark TWO?! More like...Lame SHOE!
>>98578312The photo editing will never cease to amaze me.How to pirate photoshop safely to make these Horus heresy forgeworld styled pics and use it on Linux of all things?
>>98578312Can someone just dump all the pdfs of the books, please? I think Forge World was mostly Horus heresy so may as well dump the other pdf stuff too.
finally took some pics of my suicide melta vets
>>98580849 you didnt do the skulls on their logos white? Or are they still not done?
>>98580864I stopped doing it in my third wave since having a random bit of white on the model looked out of place
>>98580871The blue is weird, missing with skull is weird.
>>98580883nigga, you're weird
>>98580883*White skull
>>98580849>>98580871kino dudes anon
>>98580887I am not. Also the missing outer door on the Rhino is weird
>>98580898you are, weirdo
>>98580883you can paint your models however you want whenever you choose get your first army>>98580895thanks anon
>>98580910I like the blue you selected, and the colour modulation and scratchy highlights on your vehicle there is really nice. That sort of style is so much more interesting to me than GW box art neatness.
How playable would be a HH army build around a core of tacticals, devastators, assault marines, predators, vindicators and whirlwinds?Also how open are people to using regular sized terminators instead of the small Horus Heresy ones, and w40k land raiders in Horus Heresy games?
>>98581045you're fine on all fronts
>>98581054Thanks. How far away would this put me from having a basic core of a space marine list in Horus Heresy. 40 tactical marines12 devastators40 assault space marines3 vindicators3 predator anihilators3 predator destructors3 Baal predators2 land raiders10 claw terminators10 hammer&shield terminatorsI practicaly have every character in every armour set up at at least 1, Including terminator armour apothecaries, tech marines, jump pack everything etc.I also have dreadnoughts, but they are not the sleek Horus Heresy ones, but the regular w40k ones 3 with claws, 1 librarian one and 3 armed with double auto canons. Ah do I need to buy a primarch to play?
>>98581101Ah and I have 4 rhinos/razorbacks.
>>98581101>>98581132All of these save Razorbacks are technically usable units in some capacity, just that you're using the Mars-pattern Rhino; the Deimos kits with a few more weapon upgrades. Flamer Predators are a thing, assuming your Baal ones are built with them, and Indomitus Terminators are their own unit - as are Castraferrum Dreadnoughts. All members of a HSS or TS squad use the same weapon.A Primarch isn't required at all. If you're playing Blood Angels, then you can get away with Mk7 as a Siege of Terra-themed army. Look through the army list and see what you can do.
>>98581199yes. my Baal predators have flamer turrets and heavy bolter side sponosns. The predators are hvy bolter/lascanon sponsons and auto canon, or lascanon sponsons and plasma turret (I use them as triple lascanon ones) . My tactical marines all have bolters, my devstarors have multi melta. technicaly 2 of the devastators are from the tactical squads, but from what I have seen on Horus Heresy box art covers the tactical marines in it only use bolters. As my jump pack marines goes. I have 20 regular assault marines, with chainswords and bolt pistol and sgts with double claws, one 10 man Death Company unit with 5 fists, 3 power weapons and 2 hammers. I also have two five man sanguinary guard units. One armed with axes, the other armed with swords. I assume I could run the sanguinary guard as some sort of veteran squad, and the death company probably would have to go. My tactical and devastar marines are build with the Blood Angle Tactical marine box bodies. I have all the other special weapons (8 grav guns, 8 flamers, 8 rocket launchers etc) magnetized, but from what I have seen no units with those weapons exists in Horus Heresy, bar the rocket launcher one. Thanks again for the Help. Good to know primarchs aren'y obligatory to play the game.
>>98577094When they were insistent that terminators would remain 1W but that they would drop the points to next to nothing (like 25 points) I immediately stopped caring.If you think a terminator dying on a 1/6 chance of a wound is fine and narratively appropriate, you don't understand the setting and if you just what to points crunch it like a tournament faggot, I don't want to play your slop
>>98581438>insistent that terminators would remain 1W but that they would drop the points to next to nothingNo way, are you serious?
>>98578975Based and correct take.Worrying about balance is retarded, you either play homebrew with like minded friends who get the idea and WANT interesting rules, or you don't do it at all.
>>98579546Schizo meltie!!!Repeat Schizo meltie over here!!!
>>98580107Why don't you repaint the banner to look less shit?
>>98581573Yup.One of their first long form videos about it discussed this.I stopped caring after that. Seems like the Aussies in general have just dropped HH and moved over to fantasy or other games (the wise choice)
Adeptus Titanicus compendiums link not working?
>>98581649silence waacfag
>>98579546Based!
here ya go
>>98581918
>>98581918Ooh, fresh leeks?
>>98581928ya bet
That's a freshly painted batch of horrors, no? They gradient tones make a world of difference for the impression they make.http://warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/h9lvvzpd/designers-notes-tzeentch-daemons-in-the-age-of-darkness/
>Talons vs Daemons>banana guards instead of silent sistersGoddammit
>>98581980It is. Cool paint job on those horrors, makes them look somewhat menacing.
>>98581980yeah those look greatwish I could say the same about the custards
So MyMiniFactory is having a big sale, any creators you guys would recommend?
>>98581918anything on the daemons?I wanna see the stats of the "ascendant lord" (daemon prince?) and lord of change
>>98582052
Have they done closeups of the new dickbikes yet? I want to see how bad the new riders are compared to recasts.
>>98580500Don't worry the War Hounds will mop up the rest
>>98582079There were close-ups in the warcom article about the live reveal stream, where those were shown. I thought the models looked good, maybe better than the resin ones even
>>98580871JUST say ur lazy dude, the skull is kino in white, you should paint ur gauntlets red.
>>98581980Interesting scheme, the old metal horrors still mogg however.
>>98582071>300 points>absolutely wrecked by 200 point Anathema Cadre with execution blades>utterly destroyed by Jenny
>>98582141>Hard countered by the units whose entire identity is that they hard counter itSurprised pikachu face dot jpeg
>>98582160Fuck, this is really making me consider salvaging my 40k TS models for bits to make a late heresy themed army of TS, Tzeentch daemons, and cultists.
>>98582148it's just so dumb that this 300 point unit is going to spend its time running from squads that cost half as much and actually throwing itself into a challenge it can never win
>>98582160>12 int>the baleful glare in question
>>98582186>implying anybody has SoS>never mind actually play themYou need to get of the internet, finally get some models to build and paint, play some games, and get some real life experience.
>>98581918>>98581927>>98581940>>98582071>>98582160Thank you very much noble anon. May I kindly request a picture of the faction rules for the Tzeentch daemons?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/h9lvvzpd/designers-notes-tzeentch-daemons-in-the-age-of-darkness/I just read the WarCom article about using Tzeentch daemons in a Horus Heresy game and I've got questions :what's the deal with daemons and Chaos gods in HH (both the game and the novels) ? the way it is described, it almost feels like before the Heresy, the gods of Chaos and daemons couldn't really enter the material universe and that they only started doing it in great numbers from the time of the Heresy onwardsalso, the lore makes it feel like the ruinous powers didn't had well-defined identities and names before that time as wellI know Slaanesh was barely born (and yet always existed in the Warp) but sometimes the lore sounds like the four gods and their daemons with their attributes and domains really took shape at that point and not before >Well-versed and attentive readers may well recall that previous writings on Daemonic activity during the Horus Heresy explicitly mentioned that Daemons of this era were not fully formed and usually indistinct, which is not something that has been contradicted by this Journal. However, there also existed much more specific forms of Daemon even during the later parts of the Great Crusade, but to the layman of the Imperium at the time, these forms frequently made little senseam I right in perceiving this or not ? is there anything in the books which canonically confirms that Chaos didn't exist in the same form before Horus' rebellion ?
>>98582262le extradimensional xenos faec idk
>>98582160What's going on with the lesser daemons though?
>>98582160holy kino
>>98582249in the spirit of noble scanon
>>98582249ask and ye shall receive
>>98582249i think that's it
>>98582262The Chaos Gods and their daemons were very much around, most of the Imperium just didn't know what the fuck they were because of how much knowledge about them was suppressed at the time. Heck, even most of the primarchs had no idea that the Chaos gods existed during the Great Crusade. Also, the Warp was more calm and passive because of Slaanesh's birth. Meaning less warp storms, daemonic invasions and such.
>>98582262You are correct in perceiving this, the suits got involved and they are slowly changing the setting into being more marketable.
>>98582330>the setting into being more marketable.which means that the chaos gods should be not be clearly identified ?
>>98582330>>98582340>the trademark greed of GW is so great that they won't just sue other companies but also enforce trademark rules between their own gamesJesus
>>98582324okey someone explain to me why does a psychic power has to take up more then half a page instead of being ." At the begining of your phase roll 2d6 under your Ld, no dubs, if you do till the begining of your next phase you have X. " why does it have to be this autistic rivet counting neo lingo, which then again gets fucked up, because either someone made an error or wrote som other rule with "count as at step X" and now the whole game is staling or exploding or looping.
>>98582314>I can take Samus AND a Lord of Change in a single LoW detachmentLook out!
>>98582262>>98581980>Plus, Daemons from any other Aetheric Dominion that may be introduced in the future…So future Journals will have more demon list?Wonder if SDS will bother making plastic Ruinstorm demons at this point
>>98582328actually I think that >>98582314 though he was answering another's anon request did provide the answer I was looking for with his scan>Unlike the incursions that had taken place at other times, these Daemons were birthed into reality as manifestations of the will of the Dark Gods of Chaos and were filled with the intent of their masters.Which implies that reported daemonic incursions before that time were daemons with no clear alignment>Whilst the Daemons of Tzeentch themselves are not truly the same ilk as Daemons of the Ruinstorm, the Age of Darkness was a time of ascendancefor the pantheon of Chaos Gods and the forms of those aligned with each of the dark powers were yet to be truly realised
>>98582330>>98582381it seems GW is retconning the Heresy into being an event of cosmic scale almost on the same level as the War in Heaven and that it was ultimately the HH itself which made Chaos into what it is in 40k
>>98582314>>98582320>>98582324You are indeed a worthy scion of the great Scanon. May your brushes stay straight and your paints never dry.
How hard would it be to get gravel in newly compliant worlds?
>>98582396>the Heresy into being an event of cosmic scale almost on the same level as the War in Heavenit seems to me that it very nearly was, had horus actually entirely upended the standing order and birthing around himself a critical locus of chaos or whatnoti gather the war in heaven was frankly a thousand thousand times more sprawling and wild than the heresy ever was but history very nearly rhymed with it, if it did not outright do so
Warhammer 60,000,000command the glorious biomechanoid krork legions in battle against the forces of the necrotyr at their zenithwould you play?
>>98582262>daemons couldn't really enter the material universe and that they only started doing it in great numbers from the time of the Heresy onwardsdaemons can't just poof into existence wherever they need summoned and greater daemons need a host. That predates HH, fuck it predates chaos daemons as a faction. Ofc what the HH novels/setting expanded on is that etheric buggeration can weaken the veil and allow them to freely manifest like in the siege of terra or during the ruinstorm/on Nuceria after Angron's apotheosis
>>98582396It always was that you retard, the whole point was for the weakened dark gods to put everything on a gambit to take down the Emperor before he wiped them out
Really, no one should be surprised that Tzeentch Daemons are popping up on Prospero
>>98582459I think the only ones who were surprised about that are the Thousand Sons.
>>98579854Because I suspect thats a chaos marine using HH parts rather than the other way round. Look at the trim and backpack.
Any chance for scans of the solar auxilia colour plates please?
>>98582324Thanks for the pics, can you send pics of the rules for horrors and the convocators special rule?
>>98582071Wow thats ass. 300pts and only 4A? Dont even get divination lmao.
Are there other tzeentch units in the journal or just the two lords of change?
>>98582160Tides of change seems pretty good. Just generally a solid unit. Good stats, hard to kill with telekinesis, decent shooting, pretty fast. Good stuff.
>>98582552From the War Comm article>Included in the Army List itself are the following Units: >High Command – Ascendant Lord of Tzeentch >Command – Herald of Tzeentch >Support – Flamers of Tzeentch >Recon – Screamers of Tzeentch >Troops – Horrors of Tzeentch (Pink and Blue; they don't mention Brimstone)>Warlord – Lord of Change
>>98582543i'm getting there
>>98582324Holy shit thats a hilarious psychic power. Although its a shame that it lasts through your opponents shooting phase. Also, isnt it fucked the LoC and LoT cant have fateweaving?
>>98582571>Disintegrator weapons prevent pink horrors from splitting into blue horrorsinteresting
>>98582571instead of "when a pink horror dies, add two blue horrors to the unit" you get 11 steps. What has this game turned in to?
>>98582605Makes sense, cant split if theres nothing left to split. 0/2 is 0They should make disintigrator weapons also ignore fnp
>>98582606You get one step, during step 11 of the shooting attack proceedure.
>>98582613>Spoilertrue
>>98582616anon, I left collage and didn't start a career I got a degree for, because I couldn't deal with how insane german style bureaucracy turned any sensible action in to an insanity of paper production. I move back to live on a farm, because I couldn't deal with neeing to write 3 papers to get a coffeee machine WITH MY MONEY for the whole team.
>>98582636Being illiterate is your problem, not society's. Retard.
>>98582636Okay, but even being super "not anal" about it, when you start setting out out a shooting attack is a lot of steps>declare unit to shoot>declare target>roll to hit>roll to wound>roll saves>apply wounds>repeat for other weapons>remove casualtiesBeing super high level thats 8 steps. Its a simple process, but when you go to break it down a lot of different things happen.
>>98582440yes but my point was that it seems incursions on that scale just didn't happen before the 31st millenium and that the permanent war mode the Imperium/galaxy is stuck on since the Heresy is what makes it possible
>>98582571Okay. >>98582576Suck>>98582586Probably suck.>>98582591Okay.Not a great showing from demons ngl.
>>98582652Anon, don't waste your time trying to explain anything to some dumb fuck who is too retarded to buy a coffee machine.
>>98582642Anon in my country I don't have to write in english. How well is your czech? Want to show me how litterate in it you are ?
>>98581918What invuln do the guys have? 6+?
I was told there's no place to put your Mechanicum Warlord outside of Myrmidons or Automata. Not too long a list of options but hopeful it's alright (Scyllax seem promising).Tell me about Triarii transports instead. I can only think of Scyllax getting anything out of riding one. Maybe Myrmidons to hide them in the 1st turn and for getting a firing angle?
>>98582666No, the problem wasn't buying a coffee machine, the problem was 2 years of sending papers from one section to another to be allowed to buy one with, again, my own money. Why being told I have to retrained, because a christmas card from my niece on my table is not okey, but that cunts next table over collection of glass unicorns is.
>>98582673Theyre good vehicles, but if you go the macrotek apex then only scyllax can go inside (since its the only possible mactotek infantry option)
>>98582668Nta. How do you feel about the concept of Czechoslovakia?Not trying to rile you up or anything, I'm respectfully curious
>>98582363can the ascendant lord or herald join a unit?I don't play 3.0 but was told by people that daemon characters all have to stand by themselves and get shot off the table
>>98582684They seem sturdy...but that points cost gets you a dual mauler bolter and some volkite. Anti infantry isn't particularly hard to get elsewhere
>>98582701>heraldYes, theyre infantry. >Ascendant LordYes, theyre infantry.>LoCYes, theyre a paragon.
>>98582701The herald can, he does have the command unit sub type.Ascended lord can't, but he has daemon prince stats so is basically monster/automata tier.
>>98582710Need the specialist or command sub-type to be allowed to join units. So no for the ascended lord.
>>98582723Not champion? My bad.
>>98582726Champion is so they can do challenges, need champion or command for that. Or paragon, obviously.
>>98582571Can't wait to see how people break horrors this time
>>98581918Am I tweaking or is the blade champion kinda bad? Or rather "bad for a custodes model"?"only" 5A, D1, S5. No innate critical hits so unless he charges hes stuck at that D1 (unless he finishing blows, obviously), and at 2w 6++(?) he isnt surviving to attack unless he goes first. I guess its just a way to avoid having your tribune challenge locked?
>>98582718castellax and thanatars can all be joined or have extra models per unitI've played one 3.0 game with daemons and my retard hierarch got blown off the table by a single squad of thallaxit's depressing
>>98582571Now we are missing the other choort discipline and the convocation rule. Please please please
Do any of the 40k Custodes models going sold out online affect HH Custodes?
>>98582750Did you miss his WS 6? Only shit like praetors or legion champions are a real threat to him, and against those it's worth accepting the challenge with the shield captain.His sword also has precision 4+, so against units without somebody who can do challenges he can snipe out sergeants or dudes with thunder hammers.
>>98582759Highly doubt those thallax had their stock lightning guns. Thallax are one of the highest damage to points ratio units now that every single one can take a special weapon.
Are shotguns good in the context of 3.0
>>98582802Not really. You take them to apply the stun status effect, not for their damage.Banestrike shotguns on the other hand... those things can fuck shit up.
>>98582789it was a squad of three with one plasma fusilhaving only 4 wounds is ruff
>>98582363Because they wrote 3.0 with ChatGPT or Claude or something so it's all autistic AI genned rules
>>98582778>Did you miss his WS 6?Yea? What about it?>Only shit like praetors or legion champions are a real threat to himOr dudes with twin claws rolling slightly better than normal. Or Centurions (paragon of battle or no), hell master sgts are ws6 with the sort of unit thats going to be engaging custodes. Its especially dangerous because hes a duellist but locked at D1 (unless he charges), hes also always going to lose outside support bonuses and NEEDS something like finishing blow to deal good damage (helps mitigate his weak S and D1), but that means he has a very real risk of going 2nd. >so against units without somebody who can do challenges he can snipe out sergeants or dudes with thunder hammers.he fails to snipe out a single terminator sgt on average (assuming no lightning blows). He just isnt that good at combat. Which in the "every basic dude is top of the line elite at combat" army is not great. He wont even snipe out a single veteran/command squad sgt if they have a combat shield. And once again, hes made of tissue paper (for the army), he dies as easily as a single custodian guard. >>98582802Theyre okay. Poor damage (2s4 shots is bolter tier, but half the range) but theyre assault so you can fire them multiple times. Stun(0) isnt much but its something. The biggest argument against taking a few is that havoc launchers exist, are insanely good, and are stun(1). But shotguns have a generally fairly low opprtunity cost, so you may as well take a few where possible if you care about statuses or being up close ever.
>>98582363Because its not at the start of your phase for a start. Its when you are declared as a target. >but what if someone returns fire? Can I react then!No, because they have to be the active player. Etc.
>>98582771well, the blade champion is a new unit in the journal, isn't it?
>>98582571Is this the first actual instance in 3.0 of deflagrate having a different strength than the weapon itself?
>>98582853No, overcharged volkite pistols.
>>98582314>>98582320>>98582324>>98582071>>98582160>>98582571>>98582576>>98582586>>98582591I like it. Mostly sidegrades to vanilla daemons but still cool.
>>98582871The LOC is pretty decent, but yea, the rest of the list seems super tame. The psychic powers are interesting tho, herald + horrors or even just solo herald might be a good splash for traitors. The ability to decide "this terrain doesent block LOS now" is just super good.
>>98582636Based and farmer pilled, it's a peaceful life
>>98582847The blade champion "unit" is just a name, you do not need to use that model for it, any custodian with a sword will do.
If the Tzeentch Aux doesn't have restrictions I will slap that shit on a Command Dracosan.
>>98582320I didn't read this on first glance and thought it was letting you take enslaved thousand sons as part of your daemons armyit makes more sense the other way around
>>98582899You mean the restriction right on the page about needing a esoterist or prosperan sorcerer?
>>98582938>Solar Auxilia players need not lament as this Journal also features two new Cohort Doctrines, [...] and the other representing warriors of a darker ilk. Called The Fateweaver Cohort, this doctrine elevates lowly lasriflemen of the Solar Auxilia to disciples of Tzeentch. In addition, Models with the Command Sub-Type in such a Cohort gain the Psyker Trait, a subtle boon that synergises with the above mentioned Convocators Special Rule quite nicely!
Do you dislike female Custodes because they're female, or because they previously weren't female?
>>98582847no worries, when custodes get their w40k codex, you will get an updated (female) blade champion. The new big special character, a chick too.
>>98582955I dislike custodes
>achillus/galatus dread taken off the store pageOh god please no
>>98582893Thank you friend. May your life be peaceful and not just the way you want, but the way good for you.
>>98582955>or because they previously weren't femaleThis, but also because it just goes against their themes and common sense.
>>98582955I dislike them because of the triple-down retcon.They could've said Cawl did it, or they could have said that female Custodes were a rarity in m30 that got restricted to men and Roboute was trying to reform, instead there were always hundreds of femstodes, you just didn't notice.
>>98582955I'm fine with adding new characteristics to previous factions that is consistent with the lore.I am even fine with the odd retcon now and again.I am NOT fine with some faggot on twitter trying to gaslight me into reimagining how I've always conceptualized my 'dudes' fighting on a fictional battlefield. They could've added femstodes in a way that was actually good, but instead they just did a "fuck you, no explanation" and a million twitter no-games harpies descended upon us to tell us why it was actually a GOOD thing.
>>98581980Crikey, look at them gaps!
>>98582955I dislike them because they arent hot females, which they should be.
>>98582955Why not fucking both, nigga?Also, fuck women. Tired of them being in our spaces and doing nothing in them other than ruining things or bitching and getting shit changed for the worse. I remember when I was in a GW store back in the early 2000s with my fiance at the time, she was building and painting shit just because I was, and she got some tyranids because she thought they were cute. The store manager laughed about it, and said that was the reality of women in the hobby back then. They either "played" (meaning they didnt, they just built/painted and let their BFs play for them) tyranids or orks. Nothing in between. Tyranids because they thought they were cute like lizards, or Orks because they though they were silly. No inbetween. He based his knowledge off internal surveys and shit done through GW HQ.
>>98583051>look man Magnus did no- what do you mean he was openly consorting with demons in front of the custodes Holy shit every recon made to burning of prosperous just makes the whole thing more retarded
>>98583135I wouldn't mind female custodes, if the male ones stayed chunky big guys. But with the change they just are lanky and slim, even more so then the modern cataphracts.
>>98582955Femstodes in vacuum are no problem for me. The archaic vibe of Custards with all their capes, robes and bling conceptually works very well for female characters in my opinion - how this is implemented in actual models is another topic though.I also can live with the "lolilol femstodes have always been a thing" retcon. It's perfectly dishonest from GW when you you know the history of the faction IRL but I can't think of another way to add femstodes to HH (40k is another matter, but I'm not fond of Custodes being an army in 40k desu).What I DO dislike is Sisters of Silence being denied the "elite female faction" spot and GW doing fucking nothing to give them some love. I understand that some people want female transhuman warriors - which SoS aren't - but it would have been possible to make SoS more elite without turning them into pseudo-Astartes in the process.
>>98583137I mean, I get wanting to open to new markets and new audiance. Old timers may earn more then kids, but sooner or later they do die, and I think a big cut off the the community is going to be coming in 10-15 years. But on the other hand going full House of Mouse "Force is Female" is just stupid. In general the main problem is with how the thing is done. Like we want more "black" marines, cool make a cool new chapter with cool characters, give them interesting gimmiks people "black" or not will pick them up. GW idea of introducing "black" marines is painting every 3ed model black. Including for chapters that are know to be albinos. Female custodes could have been resolved much better. Custodes were just man for 10000 years, but then the demons came, the custodes decided to leaver Terra, but there were so few of them, that they just wouldn't be able to do it. And here comes Cawl the Archheretik offering them the option to make custodes out of girls too. Twice the number of recruits. you could have factions withing custodes, some who oppose this new custodes, some who okey it, a faction that is on "wait and see", the Shadow Wardens looking at it and going "I don't have time for this, I have a 7th dimensional uber being to watch here, which proximity slowly burns out my armour and my soul". But instead we got "They were always women, chud". No one who has been in everything for decades likes to be told that they were wrong for 10-20-30 or more years.
>>98582833>>98582814Am I wrong to want shotguns to be an alternative to bolters instead of special weapons? I feel like a single shotgun shouldn't Stun an entire squad. Unlike something like a flamer or a havoc launcher, where a single one can affect then all
>>98583212yeah, plus that. Here we are "they were always women custodes", while the 100% women force is being neglected and ignore. I mean at this point they may as well just say that, because all custodes are so perfect they are neither women, nor men. And SoS are just too TERF for the modern setting. Anyway the update gave custodes plastic dreadnoughts and tanks, and I am happy they are very happy about that. Creating a situation in which a company has a fandom, fanatical to a degree, that is activly trying to not care/ignore the new lore is not healthy. Just ask Marvel or special KK with Star Wars.
>>98583212>but it would have been possible to make SoS more eliteNo, fuck that. SoS should not be changed to be more elite, they are fine how they are. Situationally good sub-astartes. Thats the dynamic, custodes are the brute force "best of the best" with no/little utility, SoS are sub-par underdogs using good gear and fuckery to do niche things.
>>98582955Custodes should be genderless flash golems whose only purpose is to be the living will of the emperor and can never leave his side, and they should have all died in the siege of Terra as irreplaceable relics. Nothing in 30k or 40k makes sense when you have custodes roaming about as incorruptible paragons that are better than space marines.
>>98582977>It could've been a new development instead of an unspoken retconThat's even changier change! The agents of Tzeentch know no restraint!
>>98583235>Am I wrong to want shotguns to be an alternative to boltersThey basically are. >I feel like a single shotgun shouldn't Stun an entire squadThats just how statuses work.It was the same when they had concussive.
>>98583272Why ? They are the philosopher king, companions to a god like being. Of course they would be as perfect as perfect humanity can make someone. They are like the Churches Saints.
>>98582996What was the good way? I thought "there's always been femcustards, they simply didn't make s big deal about it" was among the best alternatives they had available.
>>98583137>tyranids or orks. Nothing in between.I wonder why that is? Maternal instinct / Father figure (their dad is a musclegut bald ork-like guy)?>Also, fuck womenI'm trying bro -_-
>>98583307Huge loses after the battle with the khorn demons. Cawl comes and gives them the option to turn women in to custodes too. Some custodes are okey with it, some are not. Creates bit of a schism among them, normaly the only person who could say if it is okey or not is Malcador or big E, but both are kind of a gone.
>>98582977Yes, thats how new things work. See also: graviton weapons, centurions, frost weapons, thunderwolf cavalry, the storm raven, the other SM flyers, helldrakes/basically every demon engine, etc. Contekar did not exist until FW decided they existed all along when they decided to release some models for them. There were no pyrovores or cronoses or grotesquers or voidraven bombers or (90% of the necron army) or whatever else until there always were either. Basically the only faction where "New unit = new development" are tau, where thats the gimmick, that each new codex advances them ever so slightly forwards and they develop new shit as their empire grows. You can of course continue to dislike this sort of retcon (because thats literally what it is, retroactive continuity) in principle, all power to you, but the nature of warhammer as both "a setting where things cant change too much" and "a game that has to continue evolving and changing" means that things continue to have always existed. This was true for every addition to the game beyond rogue trader and will continue to be the case.
>>98582996>I am NOT fine with some faggot on twitter trying to gaslight me into reimagining how I've always conceptualized my 'dudes' fighting on a fictional battlefield.Do you feel the same way when they get a new unit/wargear? Why not?
>>98583318>im tryinjg broIm 43 man, let me tell you, it doesnt get better. Once you DO fuck the girl, youll just want to fuck more, it isnt any sort of great release or revelation. Just get a hooker, get your rocks off and be happy with it.>maternal pseudoscienceIts pseudoscience. Not everyone follows a trend or falls into an easy to file label like that. Everyones different. The reasons women were doing it that way was probably just as simple as "theyre cute" or "theyre silly". No deeper freudian meanings or anything 99% of the time.Now, so we dont piss off the mods, lets post some models, huh?
>>98583160Absolutely. Male custodes should be chunky big guys that look like a marble statue. Female custodes should be hot women that look like a marble statue.
>>98583137>He based his knowledge off internal surveys and shit done through GW HQ.In the early 2000s? When GW bragged about not doing customer research?
>>98583337>40k 2e thing that got dropped>dumb shit>just a colorswap of power weapons>dumb shit>dumb shit>sweeping generalization>in-lore precedent>cool thing that is self-extinguishingMy conclusion is that you're both a disingenuous faggot AND have shit taste.
>>98583212Why no male SoS, Misters of Silence?Not trying to do a Gotcha or anything, I'm actually curious about boys only going to Culexus school but girls go to either place...... especially when Culexus Temple didn't exist until a few years into the heresy, whereas the SoS were a formal part of the Imperium for centuries (and who knows how long before the Imperium)
>>98582996>consistent with the lore>the lore in question>no! not that lore! the lore in my head!there have always been male and female Custodes; only Space Marines were ever exclusively male, and the deliberate choice not to gender the Custodes was made 40 years agoenjoy eating shit, nobody
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>>98583425>dumb shit/cool shitIrrelevant, theyre retcons.Weapons, units, vehicles. They all suddenly appear and have always existed. And now thats also true for women within a specific faction, which were somehow never seen for all their previous appearances until they were always there all along. If you would like to concede your original point and move to "well, I just dont like some changes and like others, its all based on the content and how much I personally like it!" then by all means. but also>in lore precedentDoes not matter. Once again, individual things appear and have always been the case. You may as well argue the in universe precedent for women and gene modding existing justifies female custodes if you want to argue the helldrake didnt suddenly exist all along.
>>98578975>>98581640I feel you anons, this is being designed for fun and spectacle but I'm worried about internal consistency. I want the Warmonger and Imperator to feel balanced between each other. Imperator>Hellstorm, heavy heavy heavy ammo limited barrage weapon that can fuck up massed formations and can deal good damage to a titan. >Plasma Annihilator is just a beefed up version of the baby one on the Warlord with the overcharge shot it had in 1995. Its it can delete an entire enemy titan but you can't fire for a turn and the reactor hypovelimia can leave you without voids or movement for a turn if you roll a 1 on a D6 test. Warmonger>Vengeance Cannon. I wanted a fuck you lance weapon so its basically a warlord class volcano cannon that's a heavy beam weapon and with 2 dice because its twin barrel>Doomstrike battery has 8 missiles limited. player chooses the warload before the game. I wanted it to have some variety like the old support missiles. >Warp works like the 1 the reaver can tote>Plasma 3x small blast submunitions that drop a plasma blastgun on anything inside the templates >Mine Dispenser you can scatter mines over a large blast plate or in a line. small tokens half live half dud. If a unit gets close you reveal if its live or not and they take a hit or don't. 4 live AP mines, 3 AT or 2 anti-titan. each has a minimum scale to trigger so infantry can stand on a titan mine until a Warhound steps by and they get atomised >Vortex as I stated above: 3" blast sized vortex that scatters if you miss a hit roll, instantly deletes infantry/tanks. titans lose all voids plus maybe 2D6 ignore save wounds. Do anons think I should add the old Blind, Haywire or Stasis missiles? They are fun in Dark Heresy but I'm not sure how fun they would be on the table.
>>98583461>IrrelevantDishonest argumentation, concession accepted, go back to bluesky, etc..
>>98582103The new helmet is pretty neat, rest doesn't look too bad either.
>>98583488>snoot helmets It's shit.
>>98583484I accept your concession.
>>98582955I don't hate the idea of female Custodes but it's so clearly a retroactive change that was never hinted at, it just makes it obvious that the change has other intentions behind it.Like we've seen the entire Heresy up through the battle between Horus and the Emperor and not once has there been a female Custodes that mattered enough to be named on screen?Come on, maybe if they did this 15 years ago but doing it now is too late. The ship already sailed.
>>98583425>>sweeping generalizationDid you need the entire list anon? >stormtalon gunship>stormhawk intercetpr>stormfang gunship>stormwolf>darktalon>nephilim jetfighter>corvus blackstarMaybe some more im missing. All didnt exist, until suddenly circa 6e they started always existing. Weird that.
>>98583419Why is that something you refuse to believe? The guy was a regional manager responsible for three stores that I knew of at the time, maybe more. Im sure he had access to internal company information that other didnt, like the player base and its makeup at the time. Doesnt sound unrealistic or made up in any way to me, though I figure if you just look at it with "modern day goggles" on and run it through the "every company just lies and everything is fake and gay" filter, I could see why you cant/wont believe it. This was in the EARLY 2000s though, like 03-05. None of the "modern day" shit was happening then, or at least, not widely anywhere.
>>98583271>SoS are sub-par underdogs using good gear and fuckery to do niche things.SoS are supposed to be glass cannons, anon. They can go 1:1 against Astartes using their null powers. They use boltguns, flamers and power weapons that can easily kill them. Sure, if they're hit they're fucked. But they're suppossed to be extremely hard to hit by any sentient being with a soul. Their counter should be Mechanicum robots or something like that
>>98583446does that mean we should go back to 1986 oiled up jockstrap custodes again? they are canonically taller, more lithe and slightly proportioned than marines also heavily perfumed according to that SoB in the Siege of Terra novels. I'd accept having fugly diesel dyke looking ass female ones like that Tithes animation for that
>>98583446I dont see the words "female" or "women" anywhere in that pic, anon....
>>98583533>Why is that something you refuse to believe?Because GW was infamous for how little of a shit they gave about doing market research/researching their playerbase. So the idea that they were doing fucking gender breakdowns in their spare time is laughable. But yes, also >companies lie all the time and its all fake and gayI believe your early 2000s regional manager no more than I believe a regional manager now. >This was in the EARLY 2000s though, like 03-05. None of the "modern day" shit was happening then, or at least, not widely anywhere.Which is why a company that infamously gave no shits about its players and thought it already knew best anyways was doing gender surveys. Because it was such a hot topic at the time. I could believe that circa 2017~ GW would start looking into that stuff, but kirby doing it? Pull the other one.
>>98583461>>98583515nta but you're a disingenous liar. Adding something to the lore that doesn't contradict anything previously stablished is not a retcon. All that stuff were explicit new developments, or not explained. But GW didn't say that the corvus blackstar was common during the Unification Wars.Same for femstodes. Adding them as new in 40k would not have been a retcon, but adding them retroactively to 30k is.
>>98583446>the deliberate choice not to gender the Custodes was made 40 years agoBullshit. Back them they were men, and nobody would have though otherwise. That was the default. When they were redesigned in 2003 for Visions of Heresy, they got SoS as their female counterpart, which says it all.Fucking lying dipshit
>>98583581>All that stuff were explicit new developmentsNo, no they were not. Thats literally my point, those were simply weapons and vehicles and units that were suddenly there all along (or were invented at some point long in the distant past but post heresy). The timeline didnt move up a year and suddenly dark eldar invented the cronos, they had it for ages already and we just never saw it. The pyrovore or whatever wasnt a new tyranid creature evolved last week, it was there all along and we never saw it. Grav weapons and centurions werent invented by cawl on tuesday, they were weapons the space marines apparently had all along. >Adding something to the lore that doesn't contradict anything previously stablished is not a retcon.Isnt it by definition? A retcon is "retroactive continuity", its adding things to have happened that were not established previously. >But GW didn't say that the corvus blackstar was common during the Unification Wars.And? Its still not a new vehicle, its simply a thing you have to accept as having been there for the recognizable timeline of 40k. Hell, they COULD have said it was a design dating to the unification wars and it would just have always been that, see also: SA vehicles, which basically are that in their lore. >Adding them as new in 40k would not have been a retcon, but adding them retroactively to 30k is.I fail to see how. Its an explicit retcon both ways.
>>98583465I forgot to mention the bastion weapons. Imp has a heavy arty battery plus a AA gun emplacement, Warmong has AAA out the ass like a walking flak tower, its head gun (which I imagine working like a stormtiger but I haven't stated it yet) and its unarmed lysander targeting craft.Both have light gun emplacement covering their rear arcthose basically come out in the wash even in my mind.
>>98583638Theres a reason I purposefully omitted primaris, because those ARE a case of "no actually, these are new". They arent the "been there all along" sort of retcon that new units usually are, they (like the tau stuff I mentioned before) are the exception, because usually when GW adds a new unit, whether its a demon engine or chaos space marine variant or a retarded looking dreadknight, its just a thing the faction has always had and heres 5 stories of them totally kicking ass in the past. Ditto for special characters, Draigo didnt exist until he did and was the coolest guy around. Can you tell when I stopped playing 40k
>>98583446I notice how you intentionally left out this passage from the very same book just a few pages earlier that describes them as "these men", you disingenuous slimy twat.
>>98583689why are you so angry about women lardo
>>98583738>gets completely fucking destroyed>has no argument but to deflect with "muh soggy knees"No, you're not wriggling out of this you fucking snake. I'm angry about liars. Liars. Frauds. I hate dishonest pieces of shit like you. You fucking lied. Kill yourself.
>>98583638You keep being disingenous and pretending there's no difference between adding something extra, and adding something that actually changes the lore.The DA having unique secret vehicles doesn't change their nature. Neither does adding a gunship to the SW that could have been off camera.Adding femstodes from the start fucks up the nature of Custodes and invalidates their previous lore. Adding them in 40k as a new development would also have sucked, but it could be made to work.But you're just another casual that sees custodes as big gold power fantasies about strong women. And not the meat robots without agency based on Alexander's the Great buddies that they really are in the lore, as opposed to the "soulless" but actually human SoS. Another exampe of misguided fake feminism for shallow idiots.
>>98583765>Neither does adding a gunship to the SW that could have been off camera.The female custodes were just off camera. Boom. Both equally change the nature of the faction and invalidate old lore. >Adding femstodes from the start fucks up the nature of Custodes It doesent any more than new weapons or vehicles or units did. >fucks up their previous loreNo more than any other change. They were just off camera etc. >But you're just another casual that sees custodes as big gold power fantasies about strong womenIf they were hot they could be. Alas they arent. But no, custodes were a mistake and should never have been an army, that alone was a retcon that should never have been made. Theyre just bigger marines and serve no purpose but to give timmies a braindead army to play. I do however object to your faulty reasoning and think you fundamentally do not understand the nature of warhammer, its lore, and how it - by necessity of its nature - changes. Which is why we are having this conversation.
>Thousand Sons boxnaught with 2x gravis autocannons + corvidaeOR>Emperor's Children boxnaught with plasma cannon and fist
>>98583808Are you asking which to build? Which is better? What?
>>98583801>It doesent any more than new weapons or vehicles or units did.You don't know anything about custodes lore.>custodes were a mistake and should never have been an army, that alone was a retcon that should never have been madeWrong. You're just 40k brained and you don't belong here. Go back.Custodes have been an army in the HH since 2003. And the HH events explain how they became recluses in 40k.>I do however object to your faulty reasoning and think you fundamentally do not understand the nature of warhammer, its lore, and how it - by necessity of its nature - changes. Which is why we are having this conversation.Stop using AI slop
>>98583765>practical functionality like tanks and weapons platforms and new technology dont change the nature of the faction>aesthetics like if some have boobs doAre you serious?
>>98583834>the only difference between men and women are boobsAre you?
>>98583833>You don't know anything about custodes lore.Go on, show me in the lore where neutron weapons were. Where in the ancient texts were eternity weapons or adrathic disintegrators established. Point out the passage in rogue trader where the telemon shows up. >Custodes have been an army in the HH since 2003.HH as a game system did not exist in 2003. Moreover: the custodes of 2003, established in the art, were both a far departure from their prior depictions and very different from the custodes that eventually made their way into the game. It also remains a mistake, even in 2003. Custodes should never have been an army.
>>98583854The physical differences between men and women are smaller than the differences between different weapons systems.
>>98583867That's irrelevant because weapon systems are specifically engineered for particular purposes and if there's ever a weapon that's just completely utterly obsolete in every way compared to another, the latter replaces it.Women are inferior to men as combatants on every level.
>>98583892>That's irrelevantThats all that matters. If the comparatively minor differences between men and women are enough to change the nature of a faction, what do you call the enormous differences between different weapons platforms and vehicles?
>>98583892>if there's ever a weapon that's just completely utterly obsolete in every way compared to another, the latter replaces it.>plays a game where bolters are in widespread use despite volkite existing
>>98583900Except anon is talking about thematics and aesthetics, differences in weapon stats aren't that. Every faction has a whole toolkit of different weapons with different stats for different purposes. But visually and thematically being a faction of all men evokes a strong feeling, it is harkening back to Brotherhoods, Monastic orders, mythic and legendary organizations like the Knights of the Round. You are conflating two completely separate concepts because I fear you are a complete idiot.
>>98583905Bolters aren't inferior in every way to volkite, they are much easier to produce and maintain. It doesn't matter that there's no particular stat to represent that on the tabletop, in terms of lore it's legitimate.Women would not be easier to make into superhumans than men.
>>98583289Optimaxxers can totally give a character one shotgun, and it'll Stun the entire target squad. That's how a specialist gun works - you only need one.>It was the same when they had concussiveYeah I bitched the same back then :(
>>98583916>Except anon is talking about thematics and aestheticsWhere the difference between men and women is purely cosmetic and minor? The female custodes and male custodes dont exactly look very different (they should, female custodes should have gratuitous boob plate and accentuated hips, but they dont).Different weapons and tanks and shit change the aesthetic of an army far more than whether some of the rank and file are slightly more feminine.
>>98583860>show meNone of those things changed the nature and themes of a faction like femstodes did to Custodes.>HH as a game system did not exist in 2003.So you don't even know the name of the current main HH tabletop game, or that it wasn't the first.Shut the fuck up and do your homework before talking about something you're ignorant about>>98583867>The physical differencesThat's a red herring. A retarded gotcha. Bullshit to handwave the thematic and historical references in Custodes lore that were wiped out or invalidated. The duality of their relationship with the SoS. Legit good stuff sacrificed for shallow pandering and puerile "winning against the chuds" because you're too stupid to realize the nature of what you broke.
>>98583927>purely cosmetic and minor?No it isn't, you are being disingenuous. Entire books of philosophy have been written on the differences between masculinity and femininity, entire fields of psychology exist to explore the differences between how men and women behave, you are just totally fucking full of it.
>>98583919>Women would not be easier to make into superhumans than men.Based on your extensive gene-modding knowledge I assume? For all you or I know the procedure to make someone a custodian requires some rare genetic marker found in both genders in small numbers and THAT is what you select for when making custodes, or maybe women have the cooties gene which makes chemical X 2.5% more effective. Who knows.
I like changes when it's made by likeminded people (modelers, treadheads, fluff fags)I do not like changes when it's made by those that are not like me (women, trannies, self inserters)
>>98583921>Optimaxxers can totally give a character one shotgunThats me, im the optimaxxer. I did it last edition too. My praetor has a shotgun for this very reason.
>>98583927>Where the difference between men and women is purely cosmetic and minor?Strange how these differences are only minor and irrelevant when breaking and entering into men spaces, fictional or not.But not the other way around, of course.Fucking hypocrites.
>>98583337>See also: graviton weapons, centurions, frost weapons, thunderwolf cavalry, the storm raven...didn't people complain about every single one of those items until they literally tired themselves out? Especially Centurions.Until Primaris Aggressors were released and everyone hate those even more and Centurion haters claimed they had always loved currently old thing so they could hate the new new thing.
>>98583934>None of those things changed the nature and themes of a faction like femstodes did to Custodes.They changed them more. Far more. Sleek grav tanks and whatnot are far more significant an aesthetic and practical deviation than some boob plate. >or that it wasn't the first.The first black book was released in 2012, im afraid to tell you some random ffg card game doesent matter.>The duality of their relationship with the SoS.Big golden dudes and small silver chicks. Much duality, such wow. The aesthetic contrast between them still very much exists.
>>98583945It's just common fucking sense. It is far less work to turn an already biologically superior (in terms of being a soldier) man into a bigger, more muscular man with tougher bones and faster reflexes, than a woman who has far less muscle and weaker bones and worse posture and worse reflexes etc. etc.It's like "gee is it harder to turn a SUV into an armoured humvee, or a golf cart?"
>>98583962Eh, somewhat. Some things people accepted pretty quickly (especially grav weapons, because they were disgustingly OP and marinefags arent human beings) but centurions remained a subject of mockery for quite a while (until becoming a forgotten unit endeared to some due to how silly they were/how niche they were in the ever more cut-throat 40k meta)
>>98583961I dont care about entering womens spaces because theyre lame and dont interest me. But thats not relevant to this conversation. This isnt an argument about some hypothetical real gender war, its an argument about the nature of a retcon.
>>98582571>>98582605That's cool. That's gonna be my justification for having disintegrstor weapons then, the anti demon weapon.
>>98583337>There were no pyrovoresUsing Tyranids as an example is the most fucking retarded thing you could have done, their entire lore is that they are CONSTANTLY adapting and making new biomorphs and creatures, what a complete fucking tourist you have to be to not know this.
>>98583936Entire books have been written about the differences between various kinds of sword, or different schools of art or architecture or music. Treatises have been written on the difference between german and spanish fencing. You can find entire academic papers and fields of study into any topic you want.
>>98583969>Sleek grav tanks and whatnot are far more significant an aesthetic and practical deviation than some boob plate.Wrong. Marines are still marines even with aesthetic changes. And Primaris were introduced as a new development. GW didn't pretend they existed in the HH.>some random ffg card game doesent matter.Visions of Heresy doesn't matter? lolAgain you show how little you know, pleb. Keep showing your ass and proving to everyone here how wrong and retarded you are.>Big golden dudes and small silver chicks. Much duality, such wow.This, but unironically.Fuck you and your hipster irony subversion shit. This is explicitly about mithology and history.
>>98583998>, their entire lore is that they are CONSTANTLY adapting and making new biomorphs and creaturesYes, and some are explicitly new, others are not. The pyrovore is - iirc - not one of the new ones (as opposed to something like tyrant guard (or was it hive guard?), which were developed using space marine DNA after several engagements with the imperium).
>>98584006>Wrong. Marines are still marines even with aesthetic changes.Wrong, as evidenced by a good 50% of primaris releases, which may bear the name "space marine" but are fundamentally alien to the aesthetic of the faction. >And Primaris were introduced as a new development. GW didn't pretend they existed in the HH.Correct. >This, but unironically.Good news then. The aesthetic dichotomy still very much exists. The custodes are still big and gold, sisters are still small and silver. Custodes are still bulkier than sisters.
>>98584006>Wrong. Marines are still marines even with aesthetic changes.Go on then: which is more divergent from the faction, female custodes or primaris. There is a correct answer here.
>>98582955I never cared about custodes being female because I never cared about custodes with their shit looking plastic models and near absence during most of the heresy. GW making giving them women hasn't changed anything other than releasing even shittier models and just outright taking sisters behind the shed.
>>98584030>just outright taking sisters behind the shed.Hot
>>98583986>the nature of a retcon.which only happened because a real "gender war", not as a natural, organic devepment of the lore.>>98584016>aestheticYou keep talking about it to avoid the actual point being made. The aesthetics are now void and hollow. Custodes are no longer Custodes and there's no real duality. >>98584019You gotcha is easy: femstodes. Primaris are still men.Both were supposed to be men for very good artistic reasons. And now the first have been fucked into a parody. Both their lore and their minis.
>>98584051>You gotcha is easy: femstodes. Primaris are still menAAAAAAND YOURE OUTSorry boss, the correct answer was: "Primaris". Bad luck. Thanks for joining us. Custodes with tits and a cunt are still custodes, primaris are entirely antithetical to the aesthetics of what space marines are and utterly change the faction on a fundamental level.
Custodes tanks are cool.
>>98584051>which only happened because a real "gender war"Cool. And? Lets say we accept your premise and GW are pandering to the feminist cabal run by the rothschilds and the UN and sweet baby inc for that dark ESG money. GW makes things because they want to sell toys/make a profit, news at 11. Do you think all the previous units they introduced were created because they just had a burning need to explore the logical conclusions of the lore? >The aesthetics are now void and hollowThe aesthetics are as they always were because the faction looks the fucking same. >Custodes are no longer CustodesTheyre big golden elite dudes. Nothing about them has fundamentally changed. >there's no real duality.Theres all the duality you ever had. Big elite golden dudes that brute force problems and small silver chicks with sneaky weapons to do specialist stuff. The custodes didnt suddenly become small and fragile, or start using needlers and sniper rifles.
>>98584069You're trying too hard.Primaris being ugly and their units stupid doesn't change that they're marines. They talk, fight and die like marines. Custodes becoming a strong womyn faction to own the chuds, with feminized minis, and making their animation appearances about telling men to shup up and obey is light years ahead in the lore rape scale. >>98584083ngl, they are. It's fortunate that GW modern designers have been stopped from trying to "update" the classic FW vehicles (except the poor Fellblade)
>>98584083If only we got to have any, rather than flying art deco shoe boxes.
>>98584104This.
>>98584104>Primaris being ugly and their units stupid doesn't change that they're marinesIt actually does. Their design language and philosophy is utterly antithetical to what marines are and were, to the point where the faction is no longer recognizable as what it once was. >They talk, fight and die like marines.They DONT actually fight like space marines, thats half the issue. Theyre now aspect warriors. Female custodes on the other hand are functionally identical to male custodes. >lore rape scale"actually the imperium is inventing new shit every week" is orders of magnitude higher on the lore rape scale than whether the custodes have cooties now. Its the sort of shit that doesent just destroy a faction, it breaks the fundamental rules and premise of the setting,. its themes, and its aesthetics.
>>98584100>the feminist cabal run byThis is what happens when you're a terminally online american brained mid 2010s moron of the leftoid variety.You're unable to understand that there are people that genuinely do not fit your red vs blue bullshit.>GW makes things because they want to sell toys/make a profit, news at 11Bullshit.I work in the entertaiment industry (I won't say which). Things are done in companies because a Product manager or a Producer sells the idea to the leadership, which is clueless most of the time.And who are Product managers or Producers in entertaiment companies? > the faction looks the fucking same.The minis are uglier, and feminized.Bad poses. The cloaks that look like wedding dresses. The triggerless spears (do you get it? they can't be triggered)> Nothing about them has fundamentally changed. You're blind and ignorant>Big elite golden dudes that brute force problems and small silver chicks with sneaky weapons to do specialist stuffThat was not their real duality, you ignorant idiot.
What if this is a psyop? Start a big shitshow so the leaker gets frustrated and stops.
>>98584153>The cloaks that look like wedding dresses. The triggerless spears (do you get it? they can't be triggered)Oh, youre a genuine schizophrenic. Nice.
how come the inferno gun eats ass like a man on hungerstrike in Ligma torching an entire formation or trenchline of infantry but sucks ass in HH?
>>98584179What?
>>98584179Because LIgma is cool
>>98584179because everything in LIGMA kills that game is too killy
>>98584179If youre talking about some superheavy flamer: those can also clear entire formations of infantry in HH. Their issue is simply mobility and smaller numbers of targets (you arent likely to run into those giant formations of infantry, compared to several smaller groups).
>>98584161I pay attention to the details, unlike you. Pic related is not the cloak of a warrior. The new spears without triggers is more than lazyness.You're a lying shallow midwit.
>>98584179>but sucks ass in HH?You mean Warhammer: The Horus Heresy: Age of Darkess: Third Edition?
>>98584204Please keep posting. Tell me, are the new swords phallic substitutes to compensate for a womans envy?
>>98584157Either that, or some fucking tourist from 40k who is seething about HH players actually having fun trying to ruin it.
>>98584216They're certainly huge and stupidly cartoony. You can tell they're designed by the same Necromunda/AoS designer behind nuMarks that doesn't get mechanical design.
>>98584236Yea man thats cool and all, but tell me about how theyre actually meant to represent the penis as part of a representation of the hermaphrodite satan or something. I can hear bitching about model design from anyone, but theres some things you need the schizos for.
You don't have these problems when you play Titanicus
>>98584256That's because nobody gives a fuck about a dead game which was fucking trash anyway.
>>98584240You need me to be a schizo because you can't handle the truth.Adding femstodes was not a minor change that increased representation and women involvement in the hobby.It was lore rape born out of spite, hate, disdain for the work of previous artists, and ultimately futile.It only made idiots like you feel a misguided sense of self-righteousness. That was the only outcome.You know that is wrong, but can't admit it, so you come here seeking validation.
>>98584256AT is great, but it's lack of popularity protects it from these shitfests.Just look at Battletech if you want to know what could happen if our big robots became a more succeful product.
>>98584282why are you mad about women thoit's not like they have anything to do with you
>>98584282There we go, thats more like it.
>>98584355Femstodes are not women.>>98584361Post the increase in female Custodes players
>>98584400post your custodes.
>>98584400Post your models.
>>98583540>I'd accept having fugly diesel dyke looking ass female ones like that Tithes animationThe natural reinforcement for human skulls is a prominent brow, strong chin and heavy cheeks. Basically, Handsome Squidward.All custodes, male and female, might look like Handsome Squidward. It is the peak performance form.
Tank girl style custodes
Custodes look like conan in power armor (peak male physique).Female custodes look like red sonja in power armor (peak female physique).
>>98583979>especially grav weapons, because they were disgustingly OP and marinefags arent human beingsWait, but isn't this the Marine gag on Marinefag game D:
>>98583953Reeeee
>>98584478I play traitors, and am thus a morally and spiritually superior person to the creatures that ran grav centurions.
>>98584478Yes, it's how we contain the slow ones so they can get massacred by mech, custodes, militia and solar aux and we can laugh at them. Alas
>>98584464>Female custodes look likeThey're not canon, they're fucking nufaggotry
wtf is convocators?
>>98584604Must be on another page that leaker anon hasn't posted. Can't find it on any of the other pages, or in the ruinstorm daemons rules.
>>98584587They are in 30k and 40k codexes. An animation episode, and funny enough, only a single reference in a single BL book that I know of.I'll ignore them too, they suck and are lore rape. But they're canon now.
>>98584616Nothing in 40k past Andy Chambers leaving is canon. Nothing in 30k past Alan Bligh's death is canon.
>>98584616erm, only the things I like, and want to accept are canon though
>>98584604>>98584615>The Convocators Special Rule is also available to units in this army list, allowing the Controlling Player to nominate friendly Psykers as “Nodes” in order to charge up the Value of Line (X) on their own Units to dominate Objectives during relevant Missions. We haven;t gotten that page yet
>>98584628Alan Bligh was also guilty of lore rape and retcons pulled from his ass.
>>98584604A person who takes part in a convocation.
>>98584663Based
Couple more tactical vets with some of the custom combi bolters I made, and my last mkII guy. I have one more set of mkIV legs at home for the second heavy weapon guy. Then...then it's over.
>>98584767Love the guy on the left, the middle combi bolter looks a bit... excessive I think?
>>98584775Quite correct.
>>98584767>Then...then it's over.You mean that will be the last space marine you'll build?
>>98584872Unless I strip and rip some models I'm out of spare dudes, that's all.
>>98584804>Adding a second barrel to the plastic tigrus pattern bolter to turn it into a combi-bolterLooks way better than I'd expect. Consider the idea stolen. Got a painted squad of veteran tacticals whose bolters I want to upgrade to combi-bolters, but really didn't look forward to having to rip off the arms and bolters, swap the weapons, glue it all together again, then restore all the damaged painting. With this conversion I can just add another barrel, maybe change the magazine, and the only have to paint those little additions.
I should also make updated rules for Abominatus (Khornate daemon imperator). There aren't any other chaos imperators from old epic (anon last thread was wrong Skylok and Bubonicus are chaos warlords like the Banelord).What even would be a Slaaneshi Imperator? 4 sets of carapace titties that fire as heavy beam weapons?>>98584872I felt like that but that was then and this is now. I got into epic scale stuff. It does feel more relaxed, idk you get half a company of little dudes in 1 box and you have to paint them more broadly and cartoonishly. either that or you have a handful of titans to fret over.
>>98584986>What even would be a Slaaneshi Imperator?Sonic weapons
Is there a way for me to turn tzaangors in 3.0
>>98585150Yes. But you'd have more fun with your abhuman / tainted militia in both previous editions.
>>98585014Noise marines and their consequences have been a disaster for EC and Slaaneshkind
>>98585192Suffer!
>>98585192Too bad, if you want to apply slaanesh to something that can't have sex or feel sensation you get noise.
>>98585192There IS a precedent for titan grade sonic weapons (see ordinatus). But yea, slaanesh can have more than just "sonic everything", thats just what noise marines have because thats their thing. Laser weaponry seems pretty fitting, precise, flashy, elegant. Maybe even lances, evoking eldar stuff, beautiful crystalline constructs resembling preying mantises, moving with a twisted grace as they shimmer impossibly in the light, their "dance" only interrupted by bursts of multicolored beams that strike with an unnatural accuracy.. Maybe generic ectoplasma if you want to go generic. >>98585337What are faultless blades?
>>98582955Both, I also just hate Custodes.
>>98585192No the anon is right. The Subjugator has a giant doom siren and blastmaster so it should have at least one sonic weapon. The main weapon weapons of the Subjugator were the Tormentor Cannon which is a daemonic/psi weapon that blasts you with slaanesh energy like getting your nipples bitten on a subatomic level until you become a blasted husk. The other are giant crab claws. So the most basic answer is a giant Tormentor beam on one arm and a snip snab close weapon arm with a co-axial sonic flamer. Also the Imperators old school transport capacity of 25 fits pretty good imo. Since models can no longer roll down the windows and shoot out of the titan in the modern game I think having the 10 slots in the leg bastions be assault transport ready to charge right out and gaurdrooms behind the bridge/upper bastions be a large transport where 15 more troops including dreadies and cybernetica are kept sounds about right.
>>98585384Have you considered not being transphobic? :^)
please . . . need tzeentch aux . . .
>>98585569>>98585569>>98585569don't feel like making a thread tomorrow
>>98585427No.
>>9858335456 anon. The spiffy young lad is telling the truth.
>>98577536How does the respirator work with sarum is there extra armour under the vent or can someone just go around shooting them in the face hole? I would guess the air goes around the sides and behind the vent is ceramite.
>>98577552I can image all sorts of shit getting stuck in the gap between the helmet and the collar, like unexploded bolt rounds and the terminator marine is stuck looking in one direction. Jam a dagger in there and then just circle around to the other side now that he cant turn his head.
>>98584123>Their design language and philosophy is utterly antithetical to what marines are and wereThis is the stupidest thing I have read on this site today, and the most pathetic thing is at least some of you retards actually believe this.
>>98584006>GW didn't pretend they existed in the HH.the first batch of Primaris were alive and saw the primarchs anon. GW wrote that into the BL narrative.
