Titans on Paramount edition.Previous thread: >>98548006>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/1accdP>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: Would you buy an AT Imperator even if you don't play the game?
>>98565093>TQBought the warmaster even though I don't play AT yet
I LOVE HH, and painting miniatures and personally consider all of you my friends.
Eldar liber when???
>>98565302Never?
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>>98565302Maybe you'll get a Journal Tactica
>>98565210I ain't your friend, buddy
>>98565302Pretty sure GW has said they’ll never port over xenos races to the HH ruleset, though I might be mixing things up with what this board posts. That said, given the shit going down over in 40k, I’m hoping we’ll see a transition back to HH-styled rules for at least a few factions. Seriously, T5/S5 marines as a baseline. Wtf is GW doing over there?
>>98565210Well that's very nice. I am glad you are having fun.
>>98565704Wait I might be remembering their policy on Admech models. They said those are solidly staying divided between 30k and 40k model lines.
>>98565704With a company that owns their own IP and can therefore act arbitrarily there's no such thing as "will never", only "do not currently intend to". Intent is all that is holding them back and intent can change. Specialist design studio made their own genestealers for necromunda.
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>>98565773WHAT ARE THOSE
>>98565745>>98565704And Legacies gave us Hammerfall Bunkers (but why?) and the Journal Tactica keeps telling us to buy Necromunda. James cannot and should not be trusted.
fourth and final contemptor assembled, to accompany a reserve fourth tactical blobpretty happy with the stls i came upon>>98565210aww shucks anon <3
>>98565796Fandexes that somebody printed. Not a real GW product.>>98565808>Hammerfall BunkersThat was a clear case of GW trying everything to recover the costs of a failed product.
>>98565210Thanks anon! Thank you.>>98565851Nice looking so far. Is that a print? Looks like a spade grey resin I’ve seen.Im looking for printing resin right now. Im hoping there is actually a good water washable resin out now robust for wargaming.
>>98565900elegoo 8k water washable, space grey, yupit's pretty brittle, though not excessively so, but it's doing everything i need and want it to
>>98565893Has anybody ever spotted a hammerfal bunker out in the wild? Only seen that thing in GW promotion material.
>>98565808>Hammerfall Bunkers (but why?)from the toys perspective because they don't really fit with Primaris or 40k and only have a few small birds to make them not fit with 30k, which is fine, small birds are keyrings in 30kfrom the rules perspective because it's area denial you can plonk down 12" from the enemy deployment, even right next to his infiltrators or on top of an objective, and it can make Reactionsit's a shame they're BS2 like old Tarantulas and not BS4 like new Tarantulas, but for 150 and immunity from bolters they're reasonably strong - Skyfire doesn't limit you to shooting flyers this edition so you can reasonably expect the missile launcher to kill one marine or veteran each turn, they never suffer Statuses so can't be just taken out of play, and take either heavy weapons or reasonably specialist wargear to stop, and you can take them in ZM (though you will be deploying them essentially at the terrain stage) because who's gonna stop you? you? don't make me laugh
>>98565914Literally never. I tried to find a couple for cheap for use as actual terrain, but they weren't cheap enough to justify buying.
Since Imperators are the TQ. Do any anons know if the Warmonger had its own 2nd edition epic datacard like pic related? or just 2nd ed rules generally (maybe in White Dwarf since it was only an upgrade kit)I've got warmonger rules and importantly the list of missiles types it can sling for 1st edition and EA (also 3rd edition but in that it can only fire Vortex missiles) but not 2nd edition.
>>98565773Necrons are a stretch for HH, or even just the Great Crusade era. Are there even any references to a Tomb World being opened during the crusade?Greenskins and space elves make sense, though the latter would need some serious adjustments since the path system didn’t exist yet, nor the dark eldar in their current form after Vect came along.
>>98565914yeah I played against one once at an eventthe guy was a retard and deployed leman russ off in the middle of nowhereturned out later that he tried to stab an organizer in the parking lot
>>98565745Sounds like they only need to be convinced that it’d be profitable enough to be worth the effort. If it were just some free indexes, think it would garner enough attention to justify the man hours? Or it might just steal away their precious 40k customer base, who knows.
>>98566047Really for someone with decision making ability to personally get a boner for the idea for any reason. I think with specialist games "I really like it" is as much of a reason for why shit happens as making money.
>>98566015The oldest paths were already formed by the time the HH came around, and aspect warriors do show up in HH stories.Dark Eldar would appear pretty much the exact same to outsides. It was only their social and political structure that was different at the time.Nercons is inexcusable though.
>>98566015>Necrons are a stretch for HH, or even just the Great Crusade era. Are there even any references to a Tomb World being opened during the crusade?Even if they're not strictly canonical, having Necron rules might be useful for [Generic Alien Race] substitutes.
>>98566072>>98566015multiple necron characters were active during the crusade or heresytrazyn talks about having spoken to guilliman and szarekh met sanguinius
>>98566015>>98566072>NecronsWhile most of them were sleeping, there were a few ones who didn't (like Trazyn). And it's weird that the Imperium never stumbled upon a Tomb World during the GC. The Emperor had to know about them, but it must have been censored for some reason.I've always understood the Xenos Deathlock and blades from Blackshields to be supposed to be necron weapons. They match their lore.
>>98566093But Necrons were not active in large numbers, neither roaming around with large armies. The Interex have more ground to get in game rules than Necrons.
>>98566093Yes, but we have no evidence of wartime conflict happening between humanity and necrons during this time period. >>98566084 might be the easiest way to go about it. Wouldn’t call them a generic alien race, they’re too specific for that. But slap a non-canonical label on a hypothetical ruleset and let people have fun with it. The only problem is that it wouldn’t really be HH at that point.
>>98566124the green books do actually acknowledge this by making it so there are essentially awakening levels from bronze to gold and I'm pretty sure it recommends you to not go past silver for narrative reasons
>>98566124The Interex are a meme. They occupied a couple systems and were wiped out off screen just in time for Davin.Necron Tomb Worlds were everywere in the galaxy.>>98566156Before a single warrior would be awakened, tons and tons of canopteks would have been thrown at invaders. These robobugs are problably a better baseline for a 30k necron force. Probably only fluffy in ZM.But I agree that If 30k gets xenos they must be unique and not 40k copy pastes. Distinct orks. The Rangda and their friends. Zoats. Hrud. Totally new things. And while Eldar would be lore accurate, they're too similar to their 40k versions, i'd only add Corsairs.
>>98566183this is also addressed by the book, smaller level battles are fought with a force org chart that is primarily canoptek constructs without an accompanying lordI've played against the army a few times and it's actually pretty balanced and fun
>>98566034>Tried to stab an organizerWhat local scene is this and do the EO's sell spectator tickets to the after hours chimp fights?
>>98566138>The only problem is that it wouldn’t really be HH at that point.Escape the confines of commercialism.
>>98566072>aspect warriors do show up in HH stories.that's because those books were written 20 years agothe last decade or so of fluff places Asurmen, the first Aspect Warrior, still living on his Chaos-infested world for years after the birth of Slaanesh, which is pretty much the start of the Great Crusade (where he becomes Eldar Batman on the Planet of the Rapes)for the very late GC era I can see there being Dire Avengers and Howling Banshees (because those are the first shrines, but even Jain Zar starts out under Asurmen as a Dire Avenger before doing her own thing, and imagine running into that first squad of Asurmen, Jain Zar, Fuegan, Maugan Ra, Baharroth and Arhra)it still won't make any sense because you have very prominent Phoenix Lords with stories that aren't really internally consistent, because they were intended to be semi-mythical figures for a tabletop wargame and not historical personages with novels about themthey're certainly around during later M31 because that's when Maugan Ra becomes the last survivor of his Craftworld (until he pulled it out of the warp 10000 years later) but whether they're in their present forms is up in the air, unless it isn't, fuck reading 50 novels for three lines of lore; also the Maugan Ra Craftworld thing in some tellings I think is now the genesis of the Dark Reapers, as in, the Craftworld being swallowed by the Eye of Terror is the reason they exist - but that event is explicitly post-Heresy according to current timelinesArhra destroyed the first Shrine when he went traitor - or whatever he is - so the implication is that Deldar don't have Incubi at the time of the Fall eitherwhat you want is Knight-sized Ork bosses
>>98566105IMO GW should have stuck with the OG lore that Necron tomb worlds (or at least any that could reasonably be found by the imperium) only existed on the galactic fringes and that the limited active necrons purposely avoided being discovered leaving no survivors, teleporting away evidence etc. so that the imperium only confirmed their exist in M41 (when they really started awakening). Since it makes more sense than tomb worlds being all over the place and necrons interacting with major characters without the imperium easily discovering their tomb worlds and awakening them all since they iirc its still fluff that they weren't a notable force in the galaxy until M41I guess its because they changed from horrific inscrutable beings to being space robot Dynasty (1981) and GW couldn't help themselves from including shit like them openly interacting with Primarchs
>>98566047A few people in Nottingham could probably astroturf it into reality. GW has a record of noticing things people do at warhammer world and responding to it with products, AoS skirmish was a response to people playing Hinterlands at warhammer world which in turn led to warcry. Several people repeatedly showing up and playing HH using well made fan rules legitimately might get noticed and result in a tentative response, followed by a larger response if that is received well.
>>98566299>what you want is Knight-sized Ork bosses
>>98566319Running a psyop on GW would be extremely funny.
>>98566319>>98566358>We've heard your prayers and are happy to announce the return of Hammerfall bunkers!
I still say adding GC era xenos to the HH setting should start/be piloted in Ligma. unlike heroic scale it would be feasible for GW to do it without sinking massive resources on a gamble (and without the lame shit of just releasing PDF and having people use 40k minis). They'd just have to release 1-5 kits for each faction and some rules for them (for orks and eldar its almost just changing weapon ranges from metric to imperial) Fuck they could even get away with releasing a single boxset with 2 xenos arnies and 1 expansion book.
>>98566409They should not.GC xenos/general xenos should get a book like demons of the ruinstorm or militia.
Any tips for someone starting a Thousand Sons army? I really like Space Marine and wizards so I think they're perfect. I'm not gonna get Magnus cuz I'm not a fan of primarchs or named characters in general.
>>98566421Ligma is a terrible fucking idea that would totally undermine what the army(-ies) should be and what would be the easy way to do it. You release a simple "boilerplate" codex with enough variance to allow people to stat their various conversions and 40k armies in HH, instead of needing to represent every single two bit xenos race encountered during the heresy and whatever else.
Autocannons or missile launchers for Iron Havocs?
>>98566409>trial new idea in game nobody plays that uses a scale with no modelsIf your goal is to make absolutely certain nobody buys your product this is what you would do
>>98566475Autocannons, missile launchers overlap with tyrants
>>98566480They'd have to do a real deal orks/eldar release for ligma for it to have a chance and that would be kind of risky since nobody would buy models in that scale for use in 40k as they would with a 28mm release. It would definitely help sell ligma, but ligma is dead game so why put money into it?
>>98565093Yeah
>>98566430>Any tips for someone starting a Thousand Sons army?Sure. Theyre good and you can do some cool things with their psychic powers, but the psychic powers are not "the game", theyre just spicy on the meat and potatoes of "guns and melee".
>>98566436To be honest it mostly sounds like people just want a ruleset that isn’t modern 40k. HH is apparently the next best thing.
Can I say that I think the whole 30k is setting insanely dogshit BUT I would like it if it was a planet size epic/drama insteadBeing tied with 40k make it worse and a galactic setting is trash for something so reliant on infantry combat>>98566011no idea what I am looking at but it's rad
How is nobody talking about the egregious journal power creep >first journal: here's a near useless Consul who's main draw is the unlocked equipment we denied everyone else, a retinue squad of tactical marines, and a meme detachment and a mission we released for free on warcom>newest journal: here's a bunch of characters that resolve literally every single issue custodes have (status recovery, losing on objectives, challenge locking), and just for shits and giggles basically completely ignore those allies restrictions we imposed on you less than 3 months ago so you can score objectives anyway despite that being your one weakness Why does nu-HH hate marine players so much?
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>>98566011Citadel journal Can't remember which one but presumably around the time it came out
>>98567004It was the same when Custodes were added in HH 1.0It's the army for stupid marine haters in denial that want to bully marines, and GW is happy to oblige.Smart marine haters play Mechanicum.
I had a match against a friend that was fucking awesome. 3k Militia with IV Legion support versus 3k Blood Angels, both armies were fully painted and based for max sperg immersion.My militiamen flooded the board and held their own against the gene-wrought bastards, resulting in a tied game.
>>98567059>smart >brainless op dogshit in 1st edition>brought down a peg in 2nd, still somewhat OP, endless complaining>back to being brainless OP dogshit in 3rd Trannicum players have been riding off being bligh's pet army for far too long
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>>98567104>>98567120>>98567133>>98567142>Militia chad posting
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how long usually does it take till we get a scan of the the new demon rules.
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>>98567150Speaking of militia, I kind of want to do an ultramar high guard militia supporting by pride of the legion ultramarines force. I know the ultramarines would focus on elite melee non-terminator units, and the militia will be on artillery, objective, and anti tank duty, but what militia units should I look into and what provenances best fit?
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>>98567203Are those custom sanguinary guard? They look nice, though I’m still of the opinion that their rules kinda suck in 3.0
>>98567233>>98567231I believe he used Tortuga bodies.
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>>98567186Take a look yourself to see which units you like. Militia have a ton of options for each combat role now, especially when it comes to artillery they got some interesting stuff. The most fitting provenances would probably be warrior elite and legacy of the great crusade.
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>>98567308>rocking up to the horus heresy to fight space marines with nothing but a kettle helm, flak vest, and double-barrel shotgunabsolute king shit
Should I get the new custodes box on the 12th or pick up two achilles dreads instead
>>98567384I mean, what do you want because those don't overlap in contents at all
>>98567120>>98567133>>98567142Any highlights from the Militia?
>>98567384Why not both?
>>98567436I dunno. I need everything from both. >>98567453Poor.
>>98567457Well then stop being poor
>>98566668HH got big in the first place because of chaos marine refugees back in 6th ed 40k, fleeing 40k in droves because the rules for CSM were complete fucking shit. I expect another, smaller wave soon once the dread from the changes made to marines (excessive power creep) in 40k sets in amongst non-marine players, so expect a lot of xenos and even IG refugees soon.
Rolled 2, 1 = 3 (2d6)Alright fuck this, odds I go with two achilles, evens I get the box.
>>9856765340k in general was absolute shit at the time, it wasn't just CSMfags abandoning it at the time.
>>98567653>even IG refugees soonNah, guard fags are the biggest slop eaters of them all, they defend GW's bullshit even harder than marine fags despite getting hammered with dogshit after dogshit (prepare for them to lose russes, chimera vehicles, and ogryns btw)
>>98567691It's like survivor bias. IG have been abused, ignored and beaten down for so long that only those who enjoy being a beaten housewife still remain.
>>98567691The Guard player will even say "thank you master, may i have another" while watching entire squads get removed along with those vehicles.
>>98567708>IG apologist and revisionistfuck off crudace, IG isn't half as oppressed as nids who haven't been good at anything since 4th edluckily they can't come to 30k
>>98567813isn't cruddace the one primarily responsible for nu40k's game design (aka making it pure shit)
>>98567821He was in charge in 8th and 9th for sure, no idea if he's the one that's behind the somehow worse train wreck of 10th and 11th
I've got two custodes combat patrols, 6 aquilons, and 2 contemptor Achilles in my closet from 9th edition, I think I might just grab an extra box of old custodian guard to bring my total up to 15. Makes 12 sentinel guard, use the 3 leftovers for that new retinue squad, make the 10 Wardens into a 10 man haeteron guard, and convert one of my aquilons to a tribune leading the rest of the aquilons
I hope all custodes players get dysentery
>>98567845Jokes on you I've already been shitting my ass out all day.
friend gave me like three sets of octarius terrain, is there any feasible way of turning it into 30k terrain since I don't think just shaving the ork emblems off will do much
>>98567886play 1.0 or 2.0 HH orks and KILL anyone who refuses to play with your ork army
>>98567918but anon, I don't own an ork army
>>98567886Nah I think removing/covering up the Ork icons would be enough. There's bound to be plenty of ramshackle slums and whatnot throughout the Imperium.
>>98567886keep them as is & pretend that its abandoned Ork structures.
>>98567875I've been shitting out of my ass since I was born you fucking AI
>>985679182.0 ork rules were absolutely horrendous and represent the worst of homebrew rules. Written by an inept moron with no understanding of design, balance, or restraint.
>>98568159Are you talking about panoptica? I thought people liked those
>>98568342Don't know anybody who likes the slop made by the panopticucks.
>>98567220Chungus fight
>>98565960If they wanted Hammerfall Bunkers to sell, they should have let them deep strike. You know, like they do in SM2?:Hammerfall.They should also let them be entered by same-faction Space Marines:Bunker.It was actually difficult to justify it doing anything BESIDES being a bunker that deep strikes, but you know GK! They just find a way!
>>98568408Wait, it couldn't deep strike? And nothing could garrison it? That's fucking wild.
>>98568408So it was a bunker that your guys couldn't bunker into? wut? Are 40k rules writers on crack?
Anybody here use pic related? I could use some advice before I start looking at video tutorials in hopes of some more obscure techniques posted.
>>98568444Anon 40k hasn't had real terrain or fortification rules in a decade and neither does 3.0
>>98566475why not both, take two units
>>98566138>we have no evidenceTechnically speaking, there is no evidence of Alpharius' (now Omegon's) death at Eskrador either – the account's veracity is doubted by the Ultramarines themselves, whose own archives don't have it.But their motto at the time was "Our presence remakes the past", so, who knows. I do hope that guy's proper dead; his legacy makes more sense from beyond the tomb.
>>98568549Ever since I read 7E Planetary Onslaught (which includes Cities of Death and Stronghold Assault), I realized games would be massively improved if some of the terrain was free neutral fortifications.Would be nice if that's what LGS were for. Lend people public forts.
>>98568697stores don't really care about terrain anymore, they want to squeeze as much use out of as little as possiblewhich means cardboard cutouts for tourneyfag
>>98565474And?
>>98568742Fools that they are: they'd actually sell fort terrain if they gave you a free trial taste. No promotion leads to less sales!
>>98567451Yeah, well, the trick with militia is to have safety in numbers. I did bring 4 blocks of 20 men, 2 blocks of 10 grenadiers, a full squad of ogryns with mauls and shields and enough tanks to pose a threat. The BA player had trouble deciding what threats to give attention to. Meanwhile having 40 S3 shots fired at BS4 due to Warrior Elite and that times four, will cause unsaved wounds that hurt them much more than it did me. But when the elite Angels do reach my lines, the brave militiamen die in droves.
>>98568987>Meanwhile having 40 S3 shots fired at BS4 due to Warrior EliteBased, I do Warrior Elite + Legacy of The Great Crusade
>>98566034I get what they're trying to do with that trench system, but cover saves just aren't LoS blockers......or are they now, with 3E's new terrain system??
>>98569015Same. Though I don't use the Aux vexillas. That ld bonus has done a lot of good to troops who run at the drop of a hat.The command squad banners are great for nullifying Routed though,
>>98566430Other than Librarians or other flavors of psychic characters like Esoterists, as well your unique units that are pretty cool, you can rock anything marines already can get within their army list just fine. Legions may have their own preferences but TS rocking superheavy tanks and artillery is as fair game as something like IW rocking Seekers.
>>98569015Big shame that Warrior Elite isn't conferred to vehicles, but at least the arty does get to benefit.My most dangerous unit by far are the Field Artillery emplacements with Heavy Lascannons.They fire three shots at RS10 AP2 with armourbane that do 4 damage per shot. They are kind of a glass cannon on paper, true, but the fact they can Return Fire after being fired upon is kind of their safeguard. Any unit able to wipe 9 T4 wounds off the board is bound to recieve some killy shots in return.The best counter to them are likely autocannon spam by a Legion Heavy Support squad.Heck, in our yearly December Apocalypse match, this unit was about the only thing posing a threat to the enemy Warlord Titan present breaching void shields and taking 8 hull points of its head in one turn.
Are Shrapnel weapons even worth taking?
>>98569279Depends on what you want to do with your bolter armed squad. If you want them to just sit idle and farm VP, then no. But if you want to try to pin some niggas, then you may outfit a squad with them.
>>98566015Trayzn was EXTREMELY active during the heresy if ive read correctly. I figure if he was rolling around steali....I mean preserving and collecting things, then others had to be as well.....
>>98566138>The only problem is that it wouldn’t really be HH at that point.This. I don't get why xenos players are so desperate to enshittify our system instead of playing older 40k editions if they hate modern 40k so much.
>Join us later in the week as we learn more about the new rules for the Daemons of Tzeentch.Were the chaos gods ever named in the black books or 2.0? I don't think so and part of the allure of ruinstorm daemons was the lack of knowledge of chaos in 30k. This is another step in the wrong direction, one of many.
>>98569452Adding flavour costs nothing and any company worth their salt would easily be able to add some supplementary rules with little effort.Of course this is GW and marineshitters we're talking about, so it's unlikely to happen within the next six years.
>>98569459The people who fell to the Dark Gods were more likely to fall deeper the more they knew about them.Your understanding of HH as a setting is fundamentally and deeply flawed, and even picking up the slightest bit of rulebook fluff would prove you so deeply wrong you'd be hesitant to even post online ever again.
>>98569460This isn't adding flavour, this is making a cake and adding a steak, sawdust, nails, and a bit of cinnamon to the recipe.
>>98569468Your insecurity is showing.There's more than enough room. The problem is you take xenos presence as an encroachment on HH territory when it has a clear and obvious role. The trick is having a slimmed down ruleset and visually restyling them to differentiate them from the 40K variants.Hard agree on Necrons though, leave them in 40K where they belong. Just Orks and Eldar, please.
>>98569467Can you post such abundant fluff that names the chaos gods in the books I mentioned before? Because the "YOU MUST NOT SPEAK THEIR NAMES" note smeared in blood from Malevolence comes to mind and neither the 1.0 nor the 2.0 army lists mentions their name.
>>98569477At my age I have no reason to be insecure about a wargame and it's such a weirdly placed phrase that I'm not even sure I'm speaking to an human anymore. If xenos mattered in the FW 30k fluff they would have had rules in the 14+ years of this game but they don't and FW never planned to add any. Horus rebelled after the greatest ork empire was shattered and their race broken, same for the spessh elves, there are examples of the legions eradicating entire craftworlds to the point that their canonical effort in the war amounts to "eldrad tried to convince someone to stop, failed and walked away". They were a part of 30k waaaay back in the old adeptus titanicus(1988) days when epic was starting to become a thing and the fluff was still set in 30k but that part has been retconned for more than 20 years by now through the BL slop and the black books.
>>98569520Good, you know your shit and I appreciate that.So can we surmise that the recent push to make xenos armies a thing in HH is shills on the take from GW to astroturf and manufacture consent?
Could do with some funds, got a fairly hefty 4000-ish points IW army that's well painted. What could I realistically get for it in UK monies?
>>98569539Don't sell, you will always regret it and you won't make much money now.
>>98569532I don't think it's an effort by GW as much as there are genuine 40k players that just can't stand being abused anymore so they want to jump ship to the other sci-fi core game and now that you don't need to sell your organs to afford a complete army jumping in is the easiest it's ever been. I know because I've seen this shuffling around since the start and at least in 1.0 xenos were fully compatible with 7th if on the weaker side due to the different balance between codexes and black books. Lately there has been an extreme amount of posts about xenos compared to usual which I'm guessing must be due to some rule changes in 40k or trolling. In general the new players are jumping into a setting that they aren't familiar with so they hold on what they know as a jumping point(hh HSS unlike 40k Devs all pack the same gun, SA are more trained than guard, 30k marines are similar to eldar because tss also has mono special weapons, etc...) rather than enjoy the setting for what it is. This is because they aren't getting in 30k for 30k but because 40k isn't really enjoyable for them anymore but they don't want to give up the armies they poured their souls into. Imo people either need to stick it to GW by digging their feet in and play older editions with their group and expand those with homebrew or just let go and start enjoying other things because there are so many settings that are out there getting strangled by GW's hold on "the hobby(tm)" and so many companies straight up dying in unheard numbers because people have become obsessively fixated on 40k that it might even have surpassed historicals in player numbers.
>>98565093>used my tyrant termies against a buddy last night>smoked a tac squad upon arrival>kept his termies, tank, dread and bossman from doing anything of note>two dudes still alive at the endmfw
Is Adeptus Titanicus still alive and well?
>>98569452>try to play older editions of 40k>get thrown out of lgs>no community events for older editions because lgs won't allow it (they do not sell older edition material)Nevermind that nobody would fuckin bother playing with you if you said "let's play 2nd ed 40k" in the USA
>>98568342People (that like them) like them because of "what they are" and not "how well they are made". The rules are terrible, but theyre extensive rules of things you want, so you dont care.
>>98569539Maybe £1k? I think "lump sum" you run into the issue of "no one wants to drop a used cars worth on warhammer in one go". So even if its actually worth more, you run into the "big number scary" issue.Probably best off selling individual bits and pieces, if its actually well painted especially. It IS always sad to see someone sell their hobby/passion projects tho
>>98569459I dont believe so, and im not a fan of it now. It should have been something like "unleashed tutelaries" or "armies of the corruptor" or something. Keep up the kayfabe.
>>98570121>>try to play older editions of 40k>>get thrown out of lgs?????Im pretty sure I could go play uno at the lgs if I wanted, you rent the table and thats that, what you do with it short of smashing up the terrain to snort is your business. Ditto for gaming clubs.
>>98570188Maybe anon meant local GW store? Those will have you executed if you so much as mention older editions, rules issues, or even other games. Some store managers even throw you out for talking about HH.
>>98569459Ruinstorm Daemons reflects daemonic incursions and the overall nature of Chaos during the Heresy - the four were in ascension, but in the tumult of the warp at the time, they were not the Big Four, just four. Yet they always were the Big Four, and yet never were. Such is the nature of the realm of chaos. Regardless, the nature of daemonic incursions during the Heresy was one that reflected apparent tumult within the warp, where the powers were more in flux, being summoned by chaos worshippers who had less understanding of the warp than they do in M41 (and chief amongst those summoning the daemonic armies reflected by the Ruinstorm Daemon list were the Word Bearers, who view Chaos as an divided whole rather than seperate powers). The exception is the Thousand Sons. The fiction has long established that they were being directly "assisted"/manipulated by Tzeentch himself, so during the fall of Prospero and into the Heresy, when the Thousand Sons summoned daemons, they summoned what are explicitly daemons of Tzeentch. This is extremely apparent during the Siege of Terra. Ofc, the other gods will presumably also be receiving bespoke daemon lists at some point, which I assume will reflect stuff like the late Heresy (daemonic legions of Slaanesh following Fulgrim around, Nurgle daemons accompanying the SoT Death Guard who were basically 40k death guard when they reached Terra because of Typhon) and the even earlier Signus Prime campaign. I expect to see 40k plague marine models being advertised for use in HH when we inevitably start getting Siege of Terra supplements
>>98570195>Maybe anon meant local GW store?I thought those moved away from having play tables and shit? Over here they did anyways. Its basically just the "Intro game" area and some painting tables and thats about it. Probably saves on the rent.But sure, that one makes more sense. Theyre a store selling a specific product and the the game tables are essentially meant to be marketing for that product, they dont want someone coming in and being told about the wonders of warmachine or whatever. >Some store managers even throw you out for talking about HH.I call absolute bull. I talked with a manager about fantasy pre OW, let alone about HH (a game they support and sell).
>>98570121>plays at lgs>more lgs things>nobody would fuckin bother playing with you-Sounds to me that the problem isn't older editions as much as having friends.
>>98570203But they were the big four. The ruinstorm demons list represents the unknown nature of chaos, it is an "imperial facing" list which breaks down the specific demons and forces we know into broad categories (often based on shared visual characteristics). Its not "demon cavalry" because bloodcrushers and seekers arent a thing yet, its "demon cavalry" because the imperium (and even the forces of chaos, which arent really aware theyre the forces of chaos for the most part yet) dont know what the fuck bloodcrushers and seekers are yet. The big four are there and the big four already, the imperium and the "framing" doesent know about them yet is all.
>>98570203I know but I feel like namedropping Tzeentch is kinda missing the point and another sign of 40k-fication imo. No one was under the impression tutelaries were bloodletters or anything but having GW spell out that the list is a tzeentch list, these is how the daemons were like and equipped with, this is how they are called, this how they look like, if you have seen one flamer you have seen them all because we didn't bother converting any to be different, etc... really takes the magic out of things.
>>98570212It probably depends on the store manager. Some are very draconian, and won't allow anything they do not sell in their store.
>>98570266People are probably describing events that happened prior to HH being carried by stores and assuming that they are still true now, when they aren't.
>>98570325Even back in like 2015/the 2010s people were discussing HH in stores (if not playing, but thats because HH was super expensive and inaccessible back then). The little store computer they had specifically had a FW section for a reason. HH is a GW product, they have no reason to ban it or its discussion in stores. Theres simply no way. At best the "grain of truth" here is that one time one guy was told to stop it when discussing HH (likely in some way that WOULD have a manager tell him to stop, such as his favorite recaster or how its so much better than modern 40k which no one should play or something else of that sort).
>>98570212>I thought those moved away from having play tables and shit?Same here except outside of stores with close ties with GW there aren't any lgs which still have tables for wargames.
>>98570336Right, but I know of a GW manager who threw out people trying to play 1.0.
>>98570212GW stores are mostly 1 man stores and their physical size varies. Some of them are so small they don't have practical play space, some have 3 6x4 tables. In the 2010s they did a program where they put stores in high foot traffic areas on purpose (yes this sounds obvious idk what the fuck they were doing before) and those stores tend to be physically larger.
>>98570336Right, but most GW stores barely have any HH products on the shelves. And store managers are judged, harshly, on how much sales they generate themselves. Meaning HH is extremely bad for their job security.
It's nice owning a small game store. Get to convince people to play decent games, count making terrain as an expense, and tell pokemon fags to go away.
>>98570416Trading card game players are a plague. Quite literally most of the time, the stench that comes off them is revolting.
>>98570381That's not how it works, that's how you think it works.
>>98570459why are they like this?
>>98569847based
>>98569847I dont believe you, I was told theyre bad.
>>98570459As bad as the tcg players are the RPG players manage to be worse. Idk how people can smell so bad and not realize it or be embarrassed.
>>98569660>Lately there has been an extreme amount of posts about xenos compared to usual which I'm guessing must be due to some rule changes in 40k or trolling.GW just announced that marines are getting bumped up to strength and toughness 5 as a baseline, with rapid fire bolters at S6 D2. I assume it’s partly to stretch out the toughness scale, but until other factions are updated to match, marines are very much unbalanced to play against.They’re also squatting a bunch of older marine stuff, notably predators and other rhino-chassis vehicles, devastator squads, and classic castraferrum dreadnoughts.
>>98570751>They’re also squatting a bunch of older marine stuffGood. 40k fags don't deserve kino.Aren't surpressors and the hammerfall bunker fairly recent kits though?
>>98570751Wait... they increased marine toughness just to increase bolter strength and damage? Holy fuck Nu 40k is worse than live service games
>>98568697>>98568742every single store I have ever played in has had a large selection of painted terrain available for tables. I'm wondering where you anons are from that that isn't the norm
>>98570788>Aren't surpressors and the hammerfall bunker fairly recent kits though?Yup. The latter I think everybody knows doesn’t sell worth a damn, as evidenced by GW attempting to shove it into 30k as well. The former though I’m a bit confused why GW never even attempted to sell those models. Sure they were kinda shitty, but I don’t think they ever even got their own sprue. Feels like GW didn’t even try with surpressors, as opposed to other primaris models like reivers. Even the hammerfall bunker had more effort pushed into marketing them.
>>98570797Big numbers betterer.
>>98570797It's the exact same shit they pulled in 9th edition, giving marines in 2 wounds while giving everyone 2 damage guns out the wazoo, they did it purely so you're not under the mistake of thinking you could use your old codex or not buy the hot new OP unit (before it's nerfed into dogshit). And so of course, in three years when 12th is coming around they're begging for a reset into indexes again to reset power creep. They're not even pretending this shit isn't purposeful and cyclical anymore.
>>98570905>>98570924Can't wait for the strength 10 Toughness 10, 10 Wound Marines that get one shot by Strength 12 Damage 11 Bolters
>>98570751There you have it, it was a change in rules. I'm sure they aren't feeling excited either now that they know not even marines are safe from being taken behind the shed.
>>98570797>>98570924If I understand correctly only "some" marines got it, theyre basically trying to add a meaningful mechanical difference between the 20 different sorts of aspect warrior marines they have now (some are fast, some are tough, etc). The 11 books also seem much stronger than the 10e ones, apparently the ork codex is omega busted.
>>98570788Suppressors never got a real kit, they were push fit and on a shared sprue so they're easy to kill off. Unlike the much worse looking Desolation Squad which was only ever a full kit, so thats going to stay around for 10 years despite looking like total shit.
>>98570982>Unlike the much worse looking Desolation SquadNah, The nerfgun marines are silly, but theyre nothing next to the suppressors. Those things are an abomination.
>>98570982Oh, so GW never wanted to sell those anyway lmfao
>>98570988You are wrong. Suppressors were silly but nerf gun marines have literally the worst guns ever seen on a model.
Primaris marines are all equally shit looking and offtopic.
>>98570988Desolation squad enjoyer detected, guards send this man to the gas chamber NOW.
>>98570797In 40k there are factions other than marines.
>>98571016Quoted for truth
>>98571023Damn, just like in hh. Did they also get new plastic kits in the last edition?
>>98571023You know whenever I go to the hobby store I frequent I begin to doubt that fact>>98571016News at 11?
>>98570977Not “some” marines, all tacticus armored marines get the boost. Only phobos units are at T4, and terminators and presumably gravis units are T6. They’ve already confirmed stormbolters are also getting a bump to S5.But that’s all 40k nonsense, and this is a 30k thread. To be more on topic, better get your mars-pattern rhino vehicles and devastator squads with heavy weapon backpacks before they disappear from circulation.
>>98571077Yeah, you reminded me that I want a normal Vindicator, I do not know why but the Phobos one just doesn't work for me
>>98571093I meant deimos, fuck
>>98571077>S7 storm bolter with focused fire or whateverLooking forward to autocannons ending up at S10 or S12.
>>98571120I know this is prolonging off topic posting but I can't help myself with this one but...>S 100, Lascannon
>>98571151And if it's godwyn pattern? S200. Apologies for off topic shenanigans.
>>98568444>>98568440it's a drop weapon emplacement with no doors>>98568408no doors but also in 30k if you went that route last or first edition, you'd have players trying to deep strike their Castellum Strongholds too, because that's a drop fortification
>>98571093I like the additional detailing on the mars vindicator, with the fans and ammo on the back. The giant dozer blade is also fun, though I admit the laser destroyer is more to my liking over the cannon aesthetically.
>>98571182I prefer the chode cannon
>>98571031Yeah, and there needs to be more, I'm tired of marine fags whining that their thunder hammers don't work on my mechanicum, the T4 3+ save meta needs to be broken
>>98569847Tyrants did anything of note? How?! They are five krak missiles costing 300 pts. That's just not a good deal.
>>98570250This. I like it how black book mentions of Berserkers are always on the verge of naming Khorne, but they deliberately cut it short or mishear it.Not Tzeentch, though, the God of Clear Messages!!
>>98567220What do the chungo looking dudes count as?
Did skittles exist in 30K or only after they reformed into admech? No I don't care about how GW frames it since they released those dudes on stilts. 2/3.0 are hardly canon anyway
>>98570932I hope regular boltguns never become 2D...but fluffwise, aren't they that powerful? They pierce like bullets, and then explode. They're overkill on man-sized targets, and can even threaten light vehicles.I don't want it...but that sounds like D2 to me :(
>>98571120S10 minimum, so they wound T5 marines on a 2+>Muh granularity >Muh simplified Wound table that treats S6-S9 the same vs T10Big brained huh
>>98571351It's been a while but I think they were strictly under Martian command in this era. I believe they existed in this form because there are kits that use the skittle bodies including peltasts and titan guard.
>>98568489Im tempted to test Cunningham's Law and give u bad advice so someone is motivated to correct me with good advice
>>98571351The only lore about 30k real skitarii we have is from black library, so it's the choice between two devils
>>98571351In 1.0 they are the personal army of the fabricator general that sometimes gets lent or sent to keep an eye on certain places although iirc some martian archmagi have their own skitarii security forces(protectors) in the old BL fluff which are differently equipped. Keep in mind 1.0's skitarii fluff is was released between epic's and HH sabertooth's sagitarii/hypaspists/etc and 40k skitarii which were meant to just represent an explorator list because GW really believed they could pull off releasing one list and set of minis per admech section.
>>98571351Skitarii did exist and were the common Mechanicum troops in 30k. Although they had local differences (to explain some of their more "feral" portrayals in early BL books before the minis were released)But since GW doesn't want players to use the same minis in 30k and 40k, and Alan Bligh was a robotfag, the FW books added fanfiction about them being a minor thing linked to Mars. Basically the same that happened between the Imperial Army and Solar Auxilia: It was about selling FW resin over 40k plastic.However some Black Books mention them, like in Inferno, where Skitarii with volkite chargers fought alongside the SW against the TS.The 30k nuSkitarii are nonsense lore-wise, and the best way to see them is as Dark Mechanicum corrupted skitties
>>98571120Logically they would end up being s12 to be able to wound vehicles
>>98571570>complaining about 30k nuSkitrarii retcon while defending the 40k nuSkitarii retconOG Skitarii are basically Myrmidons. Both versions of nuSkitarii are basically Tech-Guard
>>98571356It's mostly due to wound/Hull point bloat, a 1D bolter makes a lot more sense when a marine has 1 wound and something like a Rhino/Land speeder has 3 HP
>>9857160040k in-game skitarii are closer to the original versions except for their weapons. The actual "standard" skittie should wield a lasgun of some kind and use IG-style vehicles. Vanguards and Rangers are specialists.30k in-game skitarii are either Titan bodyguards (again specialists), or the new "Battle-Pilgryms" shit that doesn't march any version of the lore and are again clearly specialists.
>>98571601It would also help if every game didn't insist on removing light vehicles in the AV11/10 range. Why are rhino's front av12?? Abominable
>>98571665>40k in-game skitarii are closer to the original versions except for their weapons. The actual "standard" skittie should wield a lasgun of some kind and use IG-style vehicles."No."Stop LARPing as an oldfag when you've never read any of the books.
>>98571843The early skitarii in Know no Fear, Mechanicum, Priest of Mars, or Calgar's Fury were more feshy and feral. Like cyborg guardsmen. And they used IG style weapons like lasguns. What books did you read?
>>98571959NTA, but I had assumed you were referring to the Blanche art.
>>98571173If you have an entire battle tile's worth of empty space to deep strike a Castellum, by all means LMAO hahaha.Sounds wild. I'd let you deep strike it, anon.
>>98571428>the personal army of the fabricator general...you mean the official army of the Mechanicus >:UTaghmata are the personal armies of Fabricators General. This is why you have Taghmata Satarael, but Skitarii Incaladion.The Taghmata belongs to him, but the Skitarii belongs to the Mechanicum of that planet
>>98571601Yeah in 40k vehicles have like a dozen hull points. I think Rhinos have like double digits wounds thereIt was cool when Rhinos were AV11 and IW were S+1 vs vehicles. It wasn't the best idea to try glance a Rhino from the front...but it was possible>>98571677Hmm but Rhinos are as armoured as Predators, right? So either Rhinos are AV12 front...or Predators are AV11? :O
>>98572071Wait...Predators are AV13 rn aren't they ._.
>>98572038some of the boards /hhg/ has posted over the years have definitely had that much space
>>98572071>Hmm but Rhinos are as armoured as Predators, right?Maybe back in 2e, where both were AV20/18 (Land Raider was AV22/20). You can have variable armour on the same chassis through various means from different armour compositions to additional layers (not including stuff like ERA, spaced armour, etc.)
>>98572071>>98572126no, Rhinos have 12/11/10 and Predators 13/12/10 and Vindicators 13/13/10 currentlybut even in prior editions the Rhino F was lower than the Pred and Vindi and other rhino-hull tanks
>>98572155It always has been gamey bs for the sake of the rules.Just looking at a Rhino chassis tells us that the armour should be stronger at the sides, heh
>>98572155Rhinos and Predators look pretty similar. Vindicators do look heavier, even without the siege shield.But those 40k AA Rhinos look surprisingly heavy for units that aren't direct assault tanks. It would make sense to use those chassis for Predators instead idk
Does anyone happen to, by any chance, have small images (png ideally) of the force org icons?
They were mentioned a couple of threads(?) back, but how would you go about converting some HH appropriate possessed marines. Just use the 40k ones? Modify the gal vorbak?
>>98572057You are confusing generic fabricator generals and the main one and mechanicum and mechanicus, a taghmata is the personal army of A fabricator general, the skitarii are part of the private army of THE fabricator general.
>>98572677>the skitarii are part of the private army of THE fabricator general.Which is FW fanfiction. There were plenty of non-Martian skitarii in HH and 40k books
>>98572702Which is what was being asked.
>>98572515Bit of column A, bit of column B
>>98571351Secutarii are a staple foot soldier of the Titan Legions.
I dont know or care WHY it was done, but the omission of skiitari was bad for the health of mechanicum as a faction. Having the SA trooper tier (maybe slightly above, see the new stilt boys) dudes as their "bread and butter" line troops would make them a much more well rounded force. Less "we are nothing but big robots" and more "big slow robots for muscle and little squishy dudes that are faster for tactical play"
>>98572515I feel like the plastic possessed need a bit of work to look appropriate for 30k, but probably the best option if you don't just want gal vorbak. the armor on them seems to be mostly mk5 with some 4 mixed in, so that's fine, but chaos trim seems a bit excessive, if probably not too hard to shave off, and the helmets look too 40k nu-CSM. if you don't want to make your own fucked up corrupted helmets with 30k helmets and greenstuff, you could probably loot some from the 40k plague marines. some of their helmets get a bit wacky, but most of them seem like busted up 30k era helmets with tentacles and horns sticking out, so seems appropriate.
>>98572702again, as with the Eldar discussion upthread, the conceptual development of Mechanicum/Adeptus Mechanicus hadn't really happened when a lot of those works were writtenyou can't fault Graham McNeill for example for not fully creating the modern interpretations of Skitarii 20 years ago when he was writing Mechanicum and working from whatever random notes GW had on the then nonexistent Mechanicum/Adeptus Mechanicus toylines, and it's already a very detailed book with a lot of worldbuilding that fixes a lot of details the HH lore takes for granted, like the date of the Martian civil war, but a lot of it has never gone anywhere else, like the Kaban Machine, which Lukas Chrom literally has no reason not to mass-produce, but which is a terrible concept with a bad design; by all means prove me wrong by kitbashing it out of a Lord of Skulls and an Arkanaut Frigate or whatever, but it's never going to look good
>>98572857But I don't care about squishy troops, I want more robots.
>>98572677>the skitarii are part of the private army of THE fabricator general.I specifically renounce the so-called "authority" of the thrice-cursed Kerbor Hal and reject the scrapcode he calls "command protocols".The Mechanicum Skitarii is the legitimate army of the legitimate Mechanicus of the legitimate Omnissiah!
Viva el fabricator general Kane
>>98571309>point managementsirl this is the horus general
>>98572881It's a bit silly, but no sillier than some other designs in 40k.
>>98572881>, like the Kaban Machine, which Lukas Chrom literally has no reason not to mass-produce,Wasnt it an evil rogue AI monster?
>>98573096This one looks a bit silly, but you can defo make it work. Just needs the tracks/bottom half to be equal size/bigger than the top half, a more "centauroid" sillhouette.
>>98572857From a rules design PoV, the Mechanicum army list is basically a Vampire army. -Tough but expensive spellcasters (Magi)-Ogre/Werewolf Bruisers (Castellax, Secutors)-Fast Elite Troops (Thrallax)-Zombies (Tech-Thralls)It's not a perfect 1:1 thing, but it's a very useful paradigm. And in that paradigm, line infantry with muskets just don't work. Skitarii make a ton of sense in the lore, but not in the rules.
>>98572859chaos trim is not a 40k exclusive thingthe helmets are more of an issue and is easily remedied
>>98573131It, in its current iteration, is closer to ogres. Is the issue. Vampires "work" because they are very heavy on the zombies/"chaff". Tech thralls are not the structural spine of the army in the same way that zombies or skeletons are for VC. Theyre an extremely niche specialist unit most mech lists dont run. Gnoblars. and THAT is why you need skitarii, you need those waves of cybernetic chaff there to give the army its proper form, rather than just being a monster mash list essentially.
>>98573131mech is more akin to nids but is colored by undeadhive tyrants (magi) provide synaptic (cortex) control to the carnifex (castellax) or tyrannofex (thanatar) meanwhile independent warriors (thallax) and lictors (ursurax) can secure far away objectives and mop up lone units this army can either be played with hordes of termagants (thralls) or can simply be played as is with a bunch of high toughness, high wound monsters
>>98573154There are plenty of blood-knight-heavy vampire lists, just like there are plenty of Thallax-heavy Mechanicum lists. Tech-Thralls would probably see more play if they weren't completely outclassed by every other army's basic infantry in every way, and if they looked better, and if they weren't a pain to build and paint, but so it goes. Skitarii aren't chaff; they're basically Solar Auxilia or better.
>>98573154>>98573213are thralls considered bad now?I almost got evicted out of an event because I took a bunch of thralls with a couple of lacrymaerta magi with machinator arrays and shat out like 20 extra thralls a turn
>>98573131Wouldn't line infantry with guns or skitarii be more like skeletons or tombguard?
>>98573236Thralls are still excellent chaff for a magos to sit in and camp an objective with his comptroller, whilst shitting out ever more thralls. Or to be a road bump, or generally obnoxious and in the way. With high cool and rite of pure thought they basically never run or get a status effect. Which means the online community considers thralls to be trash, because the only metric math hammering freaks understand is raw killing power
>>98573236Were they all based and painted?
>>98573236No, it's just a bunch of math-hammer dudes that don't really play the game but want to change it to what they want nonetheless.
>>98573146yeah, there's precedence for some chaos trim, but I think the plastic possessed take it too far. not even word bearer characters have that much chaos trim in 30k. I'd probably shave off some of it if I was gonna convert some up for 30k. and maybe see if I could chop off some of the shoulder pads to replace them with 30k ones.
>>98573283yeah that's essentially what I used them for, 4 squads camped around objectives or screening my krios and it was also funny grandstanding in a challenge with 4 extra attacks from all the extra guysthe IF guy just kept shooting them with bolters, barely killing any and then I'd just pop four dudes back into each squad the entire gamehe also complained for almost a month straight about how broken mech was because of this >>98573288yeah I've got 80 of them painted (poorly)pic related was a squad that started at 10 but wound up at 20 something at the end of the game
Anyone have a link to all the 2.0 era stuff? I don't see it in the OP
>>98573348Kek, always good to hear about IF fags suffering. If there is one thing marinebabies can't handle, it's something that they can't beat by mindlessly slamming their head against it until it breaks.
Chaos trim? In my HH?
>>98573387That is not chaos trim. Those are Dark Angel marines, which are all highly honourable and most of all loyal members of the Imperium, without exception. That is Imperial trim.
>>98573236>are thralls considered bad now?No. But theyre a niche unit that has never seen widespread use. The "tacticals" equivalent for mech are castellax and thallax (two units more elite than marines)
>>98573213>There are plenty of blood-knight-heavy vampire listsAnd those still operate around a core of chaff. At BEST you have a core of black knights (very low tier cav) instead. You literally could not make a "blood knights only" list because BK were limited to at most 25% of your list. >Skitarii aren't chaff; they're basically Solar Auxilia or better.So chaff. Youre describing chaff. The basic unit in this game is the humble tactical marine, skittles and sa troopers are chaff.
>>98573439>niche unitthralls were ubiquitous with mech in 1e due to their ability to purchase fearless and could tarpit primarch deathstars for multiple turnsthey were rightfully nerfed in 2e and fell by the wayside due to their low innate leadership but could still get by with an attached character bc of stubborn
>>98573236>are thralls considered bad now?It doesent matter if theyre actually bad or not. Theyre incredibly niche and most admech lists wont run them. Theyre not your basic core in the way tacticals are for SM, which is the issue when they should be.
>>98573236>shat out like 20 extra thralls a turnHuh? Isn't that when you attach a 70pts Techpriest to the unit to get like 3 Thralls per turn, but the unit's Expendable gets cancelled by the Techpriest's presence?So I guess Machinator Array lets the guy do cybertheurgy twice huh
I didn't mind 20 Fearless Thralls in 1.0If the enemy wanted to exterminate every single one of them, 20-man Legion Tacticals (and then Despoilers) were right there. It's risible to think the Legions don't have the right tool for the job. Marine players simply don't want to deviate from the Termie on Termie meta at all!
>>98573521>20-man Legion Tacticals (and then Despoilers) were right thereNot after a single shooting phase they weren't.
>>98572857>>98573131Mechanicum was never meant to be just robots, every faction like reductor (thallax), myrmidax, laecrymata (tech thralls), autokrator (vehicles and tech guard) were supposed to get their own lines, but bligh focused on filling out the cybernetica and died before the other ones could get their due. Remember the models we have access to are just the stuff found in the private armies if individual magi, which is why we didn't have things like skitarri yet
>>98573509sorry meant servo arms, you can only spawn thralls a single time per turn per thrall unit so an archmagos with the buffed battlesmith gets 5 for unit it's a part ofhad 4 magi accompanied by their own idiots spawning between 5 and 3 each turn
>>98573536>Mechanicum was never meant to be just robotsCool. It basically is though. Its big robots (castellax, domitar, thanatar) and small robots (castellax, which are for all intents and purposes small big robots)
>>9857352120 fearless thralls cost 2/3 as much as 10 tacticalsyou could not shift 30 thralls with bolters from one tactical squad and you'd struggle the same in close combat since now you're giving them an armour save on top of the FNP
>>98573547>an archmagos with the buffed battlesmith gets 5 for unit it's a part ofYou are putting your Warlord in a CHAFF unit? See, this is why people call it a gimmick.
>>98573617there is literally nowhere else to put your warlord if you're not taking robots or myrmidonsmagi can't use jet packs anymore
>>98573104apparently not>>98573096not even with a stolen dick
>>98573636Scyllax?
>>98573663that is a robot
>>98573722are they classed as automata?
>>98573725are they not literally called guardian-automata and get sad whenever a tech priest isn't babysitting them?
>>98573736I remember them being mechanically weird, theyre not cybernetica iirc for example.
>>98573743they have the automata unit type but is also one of the few units that can be of any technoarcanabut they're also ugly and stupid looking
Any non-shit version of the custodes liber floating around?
>>98573131Vampires have a long history of lording over a malnourished peasant class that lives or dies at the whims of their eternal masters. Someone has to protect the castles and coffins as they sleep and act as fodder and fuel.
>>98573246They're more like peasant archers and men at arms that act in their masters stead during the day. Every vampire has some mortal chatel that serves them.
>>98573352Gentlemen...? Really thought this thread would be good about providing the scans..
woopshttps://gofile.io/d/ydBvrZmK>>98574135>>98573352
>>98574150Got it, thank you muchly!
>>98574156just threw the individual 2.0 exemplary battles pdfs in there too idk if they're still available or whatever elsewhere
>>98574164I have some scattered around in my folders I just need to check through and make sure I didn't miss any, but thank you
added the whole series of 1.0 exemplary pdfs as well as they can readily be translated and such
>>98574258You're fucking awesome anon, cheers
Speaking of skitarii, is running an allied unit of secutarii peltasts the best way to run them in a mechanicum army currently?
>>98574344I'm running mine as militia grenadier with arms of the omnissiah/legacy of the great crusade, rangers as lasrifles and vanguard as laslocks. Skitarri Marshall as my force commander obviously, and I'm considering running techthralls as levy w/ laslocks in gorgons
>>98574384Onagers for russes?
>>98574344Oh shit have I been an idiot all this time and you can take secutarii outside of Engine Kill? I'm retarded?
>>98574389I'm not using anything else since none of it really fits, alas my 12 kataphrons don't fit anywhere since militia does really get plasma cannons or grav weapons and kastellans are too big for sentinels or ogryn. I did just put in an order to get 9 artillery pieces and 30 crew printed though so those should be fun
>>98574426>alas my 12 kataphrons don't fit anywhere since militia does really get plasma cannonsCant sentinels get those?
>>98573387It's gothic style knight theme you bigot
>>98573146wheres the chaos trim on the pic you just posted?
>>98572859It's lazy, at least swap some of the heads and shoulder pads
>>98573636I mean... is there anything wrong with Myrmidons? I hear, even toothless everything is when compared to 1.0 Mech, Castellax are the toughest they've ever been? Courtesy from being immune to grenades and melta bombs.Not everyone is that snake-like Magos Coatl to hang out with Thallax, but I do wish there was a Land version of Thallax; one that ditched their jump packs and doubled down on the heavy shock troop motif.Or proper Skitarii. Fuck it, I've always loved Kataphrons. Turns out they play almost exactly like Myrmidons do yikes
>>98573753They're the only unit that can actually ride a Macrotek transport aylmao
>>98573636>there is literally nowhere else to put your warlordWoah gimmick faction :^)
>>98573636pop him in your butthole he'll be nice and safe
>>98573146now THIS is what I wish the Gal Vorbak figures looked like. At least have a FEW of them in the squad who are mid (or even kind of pre) transition into daemons, not just full on monster mash mode....
>>98569847You better give those niggas some veteran honours then my man. IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
>>98574782mother #$%^ , you owe me a cup of Yum Yum soup, you cheeky bastard. :)
>>98574976My friend used those as his Vorbak. At first we wanted to veto, but they came out so good in WB colours, that everyone, even me, felt that it would be too asshole to tell him that it is w40k slop. And I am a huge asshole.
>>98567033can't find it. They shill it a few times but for the rules are only tell you to look in Epic 40k magazine which printed the 1st edition compatible AT2 rules and the 3rd edition rules which I already have. I did at least fine the rules for Abominatus that includes its own (badly photocopied) unique datacard and a list of all the existing GW bits Adrian Wood used to convert and that you could mail order an imperator plus the conversion bits for £35 (plus mentioning a full conversion guide in WD 194). It also contains this description of the Hellstorm as a sedately slow firing rotary autocannon.
>>98572515If you have a deep bits box or know people with the STLs you could use bits from the old plastic multipart possessed marines or the old old CSM mutation sprue on a tactical squad of your choice.
>>98572515They can mix. I know some anons won't like the more modern shoulders or some trim being left on, but some of the models are very trim heavy and sticking a very blank MkVI or standard MkIV shoulder on didn't really look right, but it is probably my greatest regret aesthetically with this unit.I shaved a moderate amount off of the 40k Possessed to get them to fit in a little better.
>>98567033The Warmonger Titan (the dedicated long-range artillery variant of the Emperor-class Titan) was actually officially introduced by Games Workshop in the Titan Legions standalone boxed set expansion in late 1994, rather than in the pages of the Journal. Its early 3rd-edition rules and dedicated hobby support were later printed in Epic 40,000 Magazine Issue #1 and Issue #7the chaos specific world breaker demon possessed titans had rules in Issue #9 – Bubonis, Daemonic Plague Titan of Nurgle (pp. 4–11); Issue #10 – "Skylok, Winged Titan of Tzeentch" (pp. 31–37): Rules and conversion ideas for a massive Lord of Change-themed Emperor Titan featuring giant wings ;Issue #13 – "Abominatus, Despoiler of Worlds" (pp. 41–44): Written by Adrian Wood. This provided official Citadel Journal rules for a terrifying, Khorne-worshipping Chaos Titan created by fusing a standard Imperator Titan hull with a Khorne Greater Brass Scorpion.If you want rules for the 2ed Titan rules all of them are here https://www.scribd.com/document/789421937/titan-legions-titan-templates-and-weapon-cards-v1-1
>>98573743That's because they don't have a cortex, just a cogitator.
>>98575485Lol whoops
>Selling his own Heresy ruleset on Patreon using trademarked namesHoly shit he's going to get fucking sued once GW finds out
>>98576645>>98576645>>98576645
>>98576369inform GW so I can laugh
