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>>98576823Me
>some guy is selling the GSC combat patrol for 90 europoorsDo I really need 20 more neophytes for a total of 90
>>98576823Mike Brooks for amplifying the voice of genderfluid eldari of color (EoC).
>>98576823Fire caste was so good.
>>98576840It's a shame how many people thought it was a Tau book because of the name (which wasn't the title Fehervari wanted to give it, some retarded Black Library editor did that).
>>98576823>40kg40kg of what?
If I were to buy a mars 5, how much proonting would I need to do for it to become cheaper than buying GW's plastic?
>>98576850Even so, I loved it as a Tau fan.
>>98576809As in fiction in general or Warhammer stuff?Italy has good comics like Dylan Dog, or Corto Maltese as some basic examples or good prose fiction like Umberto Eco's work or Italo Calvino.Even GW had some important Italians, like Alessio Cavatore who worked at GW during the 2000s and now mostly does Warlord games stuff like Bolt Action
>>98576823>TQJosh reynolds. I like nyugen too.
>>98576852Of unassembled plastic crack in my backlog
KINDKOLOSSALKUSTODESKNOCKERS
I would put Fehervari pretty low on my writer tier list personally
>>98576850it was shilled countless times to me, but I’ve always passed it over because I thought it was about tau. it was only when someone brought up the guard were space confederates that I finally picked up the book and it turns out the entire book is about guard and in fact there are only like 5000~ fire caste tau on the entire planet. I just don’t get it. if you’re on either side of the aisle between tau and guard its like anti marketing. where if you’re tau you’ll be pissed off, and if you’re guard you’re going to skip it.
James! There's only one way to save 40k! Release the Hrud!
>>98576875are you that one dude that one anon talks about who has no models, and posts here all the time to start retarded arguments?
>>98576879Yeah I have no idea what the retards in charge of publishing were thinking. I forget what Fehervari said was the original title he wanted to give it but why name a book after the antagonists who only show up a few times?
>>98576871>cheerfully giving them rimjobs to help relax after battle>before they batheYessss das it mane.
*ahem* I said>AuxiliaTime for catgirls
I like orks :D
>>98576884No?I just think he uses a lot of shallow tropesIt’s just generic military sci-fi, not much worldbuilding, characters have no depthSo I couldn’t get into his stuff
>>98576836I don’t believe you haha you should link the website or you’re a liar haha
>>98576898This anon is completely shitposting and never read any Fehervari lmao
>>98576820>Fehervari is the GOAT.mfw The Dark Coil: Ascension is out of print :(
>>98576898>It’s just generic military sci-fi,Isn't that 95% of all BL fiction? The other 5% being generic military fantasy fiction for either AoS or WF/TOW.
>>98576879I'm a Tau fan and I liked it. Didn't know going into it that it was going to be a Guard book. I'd also say it's a Chaos book, in fact, Fehevari is the only author that I think really gets Chaos. Wraight tried with Sea of Souls but I think just missed the mark. ADB could but doesn't because his work is more sanitized to conform to the official story.
>>98576898>No?That's a yes.
>>98576909GW hates keeping books in print unless it's Eisonhorn
>>98576912True, it’s not Fehervari’s fault necessarily, he’s forced to write generic sci-fi by the company probably
11th is making me want to stop playing 40k. This would be the second time I've come back and left again. I'm 40 and no one I used to play casually with plays anymore and pickup games are almost always unbalanced due to highly polarized list building (I can't bring a TAC list to deal with GSC or Knights).
>>98576909The collector's edition was gone within fucking like 20 seconds when it went up a couple years back, I was pissed I couldn't get it in time, it was the only time I ever tried actually giving GW money directly for Black Library stuff instead of pirating and they didn't make enough copies>>98576912He's 100% shitposting, even if someone doesn't actually like Fehervari's style no one who has read him and is arguing in good faith could ever call it generic military sci-fi lmfao, he's the most stylistically grimdark and horror-focused writer in the entire Black Library.
>>98576898this is about black library writers anon, and he’s the king of them. you might think its a shitty kingdom, but he’s the best one there is.
>>98576890Horny girls are better
Thinking cap on I believe the only reason why they've not given tacticals and devastators legends rules despite doing it for assault squads even though assault intercessors are way more similar to them than regular ints are from tacs is because they plan to bring back the units mid edition.
>>98576931>they plan to do this, they plan to do that>GW has a plan guys trust the plan!Anon the people who make the final decisions on everything business-related needed it explained to them why an average customer is not going to buy ten copies of Roboute Guilliman and run him in squads of 10.
W(h)ip girls
>>98576922>11th is making me want to stop playing 40kThis but it was 10th, I don't know why anyone even stuck around last edition. Hell 11th is actually an improvement, it just doesn't improve on enough.
>>98576901https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/genestealer-combat-patrol-9th-edition-40k/3496088012-249-3753Just dropped it to 80 euros, or I read it wrong. Go for it if you're in Germany
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>>98576940Well they also need explained in what world is it a smart business decision to try and hide, bury and boycott the best selling unit the game has ever had.
>>98576914>in fact, Fehevari is the only author that I think really gets ChaosThis is what drew me to him, because I normally hate Chaos and he made them interesting for once. It's so much different than like Guy Haley's saturday morning cartoon villain DOOOOM I AM YOUR DOOOOM and poopfart nurgle bathroom humour garbage.
>>98576931Geedubs had the perfect chance to swap out tacticals with a new battleline unit of primaris with embedded special weapons at the start of this edition. They didn't do that, and instead literally put out "intercessors again."
>>98576901Nta but I kind of agreeI know hes supposedly praised for those things but I dont get why
>>98576967Why do they hate tactical squads?
>>98576926His croc girls are better.
>>98576967It's just fucking unbelievable to me, you'd think after the roaring success of refreshed Terminators last edition launch they would have got the hint. If Armageddon had come with 10 upscaled Tacticals with Mk 7 armour and a special + heavy weapon it would have blown records.
>>98576974They're ugly and dont provide anyhting for the setting.
>>98576924>its literally impossible for somebody to disagree with meand youre talking about other people baiting lol
>>98576974In 7th tacticals were just a tax SM players paid to take other options. All they are good for is killing light infantry and close range. Special and heavy weapons in the squad were usually just a waste of points because you couldn't split fire and paying 25pts for a heavy weapon you can't shoot and move with makes the rest of the squads shooting useless if you stay still to fire it at a tank. They just had no use.
>>98576990>They're ugly So update the kit without deleting the unit, like with terminators?>and dont provide anyhting for the setting.They are inherently more interesting than intercessors though.
>>98576990>dont provide anyhting for the settingNigger they ARE the setting, the only reason you know this game exists, the reason it made a gorillion fucking dollars and lasted for decades, was built on the back of this unit.
>>98576989Thats waht intercessors are arent they
>>98576922You genuinely need friends to play this gamePickup games are not worth it>>98576948Im okay with 11th10th was rough though
>>98576992Intercessors have also been useless for years, with people taking exclusively a single 5 man squad to get sticky objectives. The same rule could have been given to tacticals and they would have been just as useful. Why is a single edition of tacticals being relatively bad after 30 years make them deserve being compltely removed from the game and setting but intercessors being useless for their entire existance doesn't?
>>98576997>So update the kit You want MORE primaris marines? Well, you'll get more. >>98577003>they ARE the settingNow thats problematic. Sounds like 40k was a awful setting before primaris.
>>98576991But that's not what's going on here, anon. You're not someone with a disagreement, you're a shitposting retard who will say the opposite of whatever other people in the thread say just to start fights. You've never read Fehervari at all, and if I had said he sucks and is terrible you'd be here saying "actually he's the best ever".
>>98577003No thats the primarchs and the emperor and stuff
>>98577004No? The new intercessors are still dudes in exclusively mkX armour carrying bolt rifles. That's not a tactical squad, that's just the same plain old intercessors we've had since 2017. Nothing about them changed.
>>98577015>its literally impossible for somebody to disagree with me>they must simply be shitposting, its unfathomable otherwise
>>98576890It's a Ratlings focused book I'm not even sure GW would 100% allow a BL to make it canon that Felinids are Masamune Shirow-esque catgirls like their original creator intended
>>98577019I cant tell the difference between tactical and intercessors besides the fact that tacticals look stupid and primaris are actually cool.
>>98577004>intercessors>tacticals in Mk 7 with a special weapon and heavy weapon>these are just the same thing aren't they?Negro.
Is GW gonna get rid of this?
>>98577027>primaris are actually cool.Meanwhile >>98577029Ahahahahah.
>>98577029Possibly?They look pretty shitty
>>98577027In case you are being genuine, can you for a moment ignore the proportions of the old models and focus on the unit itself?
>>98576990What does a primarisfag even know about the setting?
>>98577036He's not being genuine. None of the primaris shitposters ever have any actual intelligent arguments to make.
>>98577011In 7th edition (the last time I played) I would take 2x 10 Tacticals with a Plasma and Sgt Combi-plasma in a Rhino. It was a CAD so they had objective secured which was the only reason I didn't just take 2x 5 scouts. They worked in the list but even back then I was the only Marine player I knew who bothered with them.
Hey gamers, I have come into a collection of 1 knight castigator, 1 knight crusader and one of each of the three armiger types, what else should I get to fill out a list?
>>98577041I just like primaris dude theres nothing to argue about lol
>>98577041>>98577037>>98577033Can we see your firstborn armies?
>>98577025You're not slick shitposter-kun, you're getting easy to identify. I'm not even the same anon that called you out the other day so more and more people are onto your bullshit.
>>98577036dude looks like a mega man with the diaper lmao.
Who keeps buying these endless BLslop novels?It's like low quality romance novels for male nerds
>>98577036>focus on the unit itself?yeah it looks embarassin. Look like that one cartoon flash gitz made.
>>98577050Novels are really cheap to produce so they don't have to sell many to be profitable.But also out of this new crop of slop there's a Fehervari book so that one is actually worth buying for once.
>>98577050And do they throw them away when they’re done? There’s no way they are collecting bookshelves of this gutter trash right?!
>>98577048Idk what youre on about but you can like fehervari, I just dont think a little horror twist is enough to make me like his stuff, thats allNo reason to get all pissy about it
>>98577029>3 unique poses>2 repeatsprimaris were a mistake.
>>98576931pure copium
>>98577059My local library carries 40k and HH novels. I don't have to spend any money on it either.
>>98577067Thats sickI just download them off the internet lol
>>98577043imperial agents
>>98576974>>98576989I think it's because they're incredibly stupid, and want to market to people who are incredibly stupid with their poster-boy army. Daquarius wouldn't know what to do with a tactical squad, so GW killed tacticals in favor of "oops all boltguns" for the main space marine battleline.
>>98577059I have mine on my bookshelf right next to Shakespeare, Dostoevsky, Steinbeck and David Foster Wallace.
>>98577050>It's like low quality romance novels for male nerdsThere's a reason a lot of these books are called Bolter Porn anon
>>98577073I don't think brown monkeypeople are even buying 40k regardless of how dumbed down GW makes the rules.
>>98577071But that ruins the fun of playing giant robot fellas
>>98577081I couldn’t even imagine attempting to teach this game to the average brotha
>>98577073It’s as simple as “no one cares for them” to gw. And they’re right. Who here cares for first born? Nobody. No one has posted a single firstborn marine in here with a timestamp since they’re justified binning. We should be happy the inferior product is being sidelined and that primaris will continue to be kings.
>>98576974The were designed for an era where plastic kits were limited, so the most popular faction benefitted from a general purpose unit that every player would have to buy multiples of. As technology and economics improved that stopped being beneficial. Everything is a plastic kit with big up-front costs, but the much larger audience will buy lots of different units in sufficient numbers. So the most popular army in particular shouldn't have one cheap box that does everything.Also tactical squads were bad at everything, one missile launcher and a meltagun won't do shit in modern 40k. Given the choice any reasonable person chooses specialists. Intercessors are only taken for sticky objectives even with a busted number of shots per round.
I don't like space marines.
>>98576931>this iron hand image>always accompanied by the most retarded sentence alonsideI'm noticing a pattern.
>>98577050It comes out of the marketing budget.
>>98577090Your argument would make sense if half the troops in the game didn't work like tacticals too, even the new ones like hearthkyn warriors.
Do you guys try and take the same weapon on every unit in a squad to make it easier to roll?
>>98577104Think for a second why a brand new army might want to limit itself to a smaller number of core kits when up-front costs are so high. There was no guarantee anyone would buy space dwarfs.
>>98577110I've started to, yes.
>>98577089>leaps into discussion over [topic] to tell the discussors that "nobody cares about [topic]I can't find my "appeal to triviality" meme because I have no file organization, so you'll have to accept this meme instead.
>>98577090A while back I was chatting with an old friend I used to play 40K with by who stopped playing and I was trying to explain to him that Marines play style is closer to what he remembered as Eldar style lists of specialist units and he was amazed how much GW had fucked up their product.
I got sekhmet coven and realized it has 4 leaders with no battlelines they can attach to. Should I buy 2 boxes of rubrics and split it 4x5 for each to lead? I don't think I'll have enough soulreapers or icons if I do this but maybe I can cope with 2 of them being all flamer squads.
Reminder at least one of the prolific primaris "supporters" in this thread is a Chaosfag that got their shit faithfully updated into a larger scale as the same unit and they just pretend to like primaris to mock loyalist players who got fucked over.
>>98577019>>98576989>If Armageddon had come with 10 upscaled Tacticals with Mk 7 armour and a special + heavy weaponThey are not doing mixed armor marks like this anymore and not with older armor marks for 40k. Unless HH moves onto Scouring and up, Mk7&8 will remain homeless. And they still have to make MkV actually first, it's frankly embarrassing it's still not a thing.Tactical unit can easily exists in 40k, but they will all be in MkX Tacticus with Special and Heavy weapon instead. Hoping for anything else is delusional. They could make separate MkX Phobos and Gravis Tacticals as well as a counterpart to HH armor marks I guess.I wouldn't be surprised if we got MkX Tacticals in Kill Team even. But Tactical =/= Mk7
>>98577026>It's a Ratlings focused book Maybe. But a throwaway line in an inner monologue about abumans is very possible and easily missable by the non-existant BL editors. If zimmerman wants to sneak some catgirl info in he could totally do it.
>>98577117Why do you care then?
>>98576990What the fuck does this mean. I don’t get why ESLs are allowed on this board to constantly assault it with dumb retard nonsense statements.
>>98577126How cheesecakey were Zimmerman's previous books when he did War Machine and Battletech books?
>>98577124>They are not doing mixed armor marks like this anymore and not with older armor marks for 40kYeah that's exactly what we're all complaining about. That's what we want.>erm but the aren't doing what the customers wantNo shit! That's why we are saying they suck! Anon! Please catch up!
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98577104To be fair, general troops being so bad and actually a drain on gameplay for being mandatory is what motivated GW to get rid of FOC.
>>98577133>That's what we wantWhose we? They tried that for red corsairs and they flopped because they’re ugly as shit.
>>98576931Assault intercessors are basically assault marines except you probably can't take any special weapons like flamers and junk.
Primaris in general, just look gay, is all. They just look meh. I just don't like them. Won't pay money for them. It's really that simple. Models are expensive and if GW wants me to spend money on models they need to make them more than just average or good enough, they have to be exceptional, they have to tickle my brain in all the right ways, they have to be fucking awesome. Primaris are just super fucking mid. Some of them in previous editions were downright bad, awful even, but these days they're usually just mid. But mid isn't good enough for my money. Sorry! I'm just not going to buy them is all. Why don't you make some space marines like this, James?
>>98577137They were only bad in 7th though. And it always depended on the army. Look at 30k right now, tacticals are one of the best units in the game.
>>98577139>and they floppedSays who? But even if they did>because they’re ugly as shitYou mean because they're sold 5 to a box for the same price they used to sell 10 and because they're Chaos shit and not Loyalist. But even still I've seen some people using them as conversion fodder which is usually a sign they sold well.
>>98577146Not so great for other armies though. It is nice when an army actually looks like a coherent army as opposed to a bunch of stuff slammed together, but the troop tax did suck for some.
>>98577151You’re coping so hard holy shit. Just fuck off, this is my game now, not yours.
>>98577145Fair enough its your money after all
>>98577050I buy every single necron novel
>>98577145That’s okay I bought more than enough for the both of us, in fact probably enough for 3-4 people.
>>98577011I don't really view it as tacticals going away, There is a reason why they waited for the new intercessor facelift before squatting tacticals. That kit IS the new tactical squad- the only thing it's missing is the ability to take a special weapon. Now special weapons have their own unique squads and that uniformity is more fitting for the "first army" role that space marines usually fill. >>98577029Since intercessors got a facelift I think it's possible that Desolators might as well but I don't see their datasheet changing in any meaningful way.
>>98577157>Just fuck off, this is my game now, not yours.This is the kind of shitty attitude retarded primaris slop consoomers have and GW thinks catering to this will grow their hobby? James you better get a clue.
>>98577157nta but not an argument
>>98577163You would have spent the same money on the updated Firstborn too but I would have also bought, which means GW makes less money producing Primaris.
>>98577165hes right tho Tbh
>>98577174Nah lmao. I see people shit on primaris everywhere. I really don't think they sold as much as you guys pretend they did. That's why they're already squatting several of their units.
>>98577172Not him but I have never spent money on shitty firstborn stuff. Even for my chaos armies, I can see where the rancid rhinos and land raiders are going, and a grogs asshole waits for them.
>>98577181Which surprises me because quite frankly I thought AoS practices would be restricted to AoS.
>>98577119fucked up with record sales and profits. people just remember toys from their childhoods as perfect, even when things sucked shit (like tactical marines).
>>98577164>That kit IS the new tactical squad- the only thing it's missing is the ability to take a special weapon.Then it isn't a tactical squad, faggot, and it's still not Mk 7 armour (with mixtures of Mk 6 and older). No one wants it.
>>98577181>I seeFrom your padded room? Or from your goy vr machine?
>>98577181they squat shit all the time
>>98577172I wouldn’t have even started playing because firstborn always looked like childish garbage to me.
>>98577164>That kit IS the new tactical squad- the only thing it's missing is the ability to take a special weapon.Anon that's the whole point of tactical squads. If they are missing that, they simply aren't tactical squads.>Now special weapons have their own unique squads and that uniformity is more fitting for the "first army" role that space marines usually fill.Devastators were always a separate squad and having aspect warrior squads was literally the opposite of the design language of marines.
Scouts can take mixed "tactical" weapons and literally no one takes them for their offensive ability.
>>98577187>record sales and profitsAre we going to have this conversation again? There's zero (0) proof GW's boom in profits was specifically selling primaris, and even the contributions primaris made have to be measured against the potential profits GW could have made with upscaled Firstborn instead.
>>98577198Holy shit you’re retarded.
>>98577196Tactical Marines were better when a single lascannon could actually kill a tank. The HP bloat on vehicles and monsters these last few editions have been nuts, infantry are worthless outside of total meme builds
>>98577122sorry man but this is the thread we argue about primaris like it's still 2017next week we have eldar hate, ork hate, and primaris hate scheduled in that ordershitpost aside you want to have bodyguards on just about any unit that can take them because the buffs they give can turn them into huge threatsIIRC flamer rubrics are actually bad as bodyguards because most leader units in tsons give either rerolls or +1 to hit?
>>98577133Asking for Tacticals does not imply Mk7 though since you could deploy Marines in any armor in this configuration. Even when rumors started about Tacticals being in 11th starter set, people assumed it just meant Mk10 Tacticals.Asking for Tacticals and asking for mixed armor units are two separate issues which shouldn't be confused. I like mono armor mark kits more, it gives me exactly what I want and not a piecemeal of stuff I don't like (like Mk8), bundled with what I like. Having an option to get separate, but varied beakies and Mk7 and then on my own making Tactical Squad which has rules out of them so I don't have useless for me Mk8 bits would be perfect.
>>98577191You only say this because of the old proportions, you would have bought the shit out of Firstborn models in Primaris scale.>>98577199I accept your concession. As has been stated 2379482893 times at this point, the giant spike in money GW made started before Primaris even released and 90% of it was that every single player in the history of 40k came flooding back at the same time when 8th edition launched because it was the first hard rules reset in about 20 years and they sold out of EVERYTHING, not just space marines.
>>98577165It will grow the hobby until it reaches a tipping point and then it's going to get dropped by enough people. The GW executives will get their golden parachutes in spite of driving the game into the ground because they will still be able to license the IP to videogame companies.
>>98577196Scouts can't take lascannons, meltas or plasmas. They also can't run 3 guns in a 5-6 man squad like tacticals have been able to since 3rd. That's a pretty retarded comparison.
>>98577209I would be down for upscaled firstborn but primaris are cool too
>>98576850what did he want to name it originally?>>98576879I'm a guardfag and I got it because I thought the tau vs IG lineup was interesting even if it would have been from the tau pov (which it obviously wasn't)
>>98577203This. I stopped playing in 7th so I've never had the frustration of firing half my army into a daemon primarch or a land raider and failing to kill it. This game is so cooked.
>>98577132I have no idea I'm just on medical grade hopium right now
>>9857722310e really fucked it over. They buffed the toughness and wounds of all monsters and vehicles. They did compensate by buffing strength and damage of anti-tank weapons...but not on infantry mounted anti-tank weapons. Infantry are just retardedly ineffective against vehicles
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>>98577165it's not really primaris slop to me, I was excited for the facelift that space marines got. The rescale was necessary, I respect GW for trying to justify the rescale using ingame lore but I think it did more damage to the fanbase than they expected. Primaris became this sort of crossed line in the sand where people felt like their childhood/teenage years were turned against them to sell more models.I do think that it slid too far in the tacticool direction and some of the first wave of the refresh didn't have a lot of flavor (phobos, suppressors, phobos librarian) but the Indomitus wave brought it back in the right direction. I think it's telling that people hate on generic intercessor design but you don't see a lot of hate out there online for crusade squads, wolf guard headtakers, or inner circle companions. The refresh just works, I think people will feel a lot better about intercessors when they have time to look at and absorb the new multipart kit.
>>98577223You should not be one shotting landraiders or daemon primarchs
>>98577222Thunderground, which is also a terrible name. But it at least harkens to the book more
>>98577050>It's like low quality romance novels for male nerdsNow imagine the response if they put out a novel where a young officer in the Guard falls in love with an Eldar lady.
>>98577050Post your goodreads account. I want to see what high brow gentlefolks like you are reading.
What will it get
>>98577244You should not be playing armies that you need to tailor against to stand any chance.
>>98577223My dude if you fire half your army into anything in 10/11th it will die. People moan endlessly about tanks not being impervious to mass small arms fire.
>>98577226Fair enough seemed he did a lot of Shadowrun books as well, but I've always heard those books make BL fiction look complex in comparison
>>98577259If your all-comers list can't kill a land raider it's not the game's fault, you just suck.
>>98577244Daemon primarchs shouldn't be playable outside epic.
>>98577256Rapid fire 3, lethal hits, and base 2+ to hit
>>98577256A3 BS4+ S8 AP-2 D3[Heavy]
>>98577243>I respect GW for trying to justify the rescale using ingame loreyou act like that wasn't a purely cynical marketing move to get people to rebuy their army since literally nobody would have cared if there was no justification (see: every other rescaled model that isn't a marine)
>>98577270well daemon primarchs are cool so
>>98577278This. There's literally a passage with a Calgar quote and his art is lenticular so when you look at it a certain way Calgar looks at you and he says something like >only a fool (sperg) would reject this new space marine (primaris) lore. Buy the models.
>>98577260Mass small arms fire does like 1-2 wounds to a tank over the course of an entire game. The real problem is infantry portable AT weapons are fucking dogshit
>>98577287It's straight up insulting.
>>98577122Rubric box only comes with one soulreaper and one aspiring sorcerer. So you really can’t split the box into MSUs, unless you can find cheap proxies for them. You’re also going to need proxies for Sorcerer characters to attach. And you’ll need to make your own Sorcerers in Terminator Armor because that model has been discontinued and we probably won’t see its replacement till the CSM codex.From what I’ve been seeing so far in 11th though, people are running rubrics in squads of 10 more often now, and doing like 20 terminators and 10 rubrics, with the rest of their infantry being tzaangors.
>>98576823Hey everyone it's once again time for the collage anchor posts.This month's theme was "Defeated foes/trophies" and was left to your own interpretation.I'll try to post an anchor every thread but if you can't spot me write"here is my August collage submission" and it'll be way easier to find you in the archive.Here is the link to next month's votehttps://strawpoll.com/PbZqbJNYbyN
>>98577204Exalted sorcerers are great because they give rubrics 4++ and has a mini-regen to get models back.Sorcerer on disc is okay, he gives an 18" lone op aura and his torrent is strong in 11e because of psychic buffs. You can't use his 10" move if he's leading the slow ass 6" rubrics though. Infernal master is balling with a rubric squad not using flamers because of sustained hits 1. Glimpse gives you essentially a free attack and save every round. The generic chaos sorcerer is the best IMO because of the built in mini waagh by using infernal fuselage and his once per battle ability, plus the lethal hits aura but he'll want to be in a 10 model unit.Don't bother with the terminator in sorcerer in terminator armor.Don't bother with tzaangor shaman.Don't bother with Ahriman.
>>98577290Lol I mean it makes sense in lore
>>98577287>>98577290the sheer venomous fourth wall breaking of that line is comical
>>98577278>Korssaro Khan has a hissy fit and does a sit in protest until they make him primaris>that cringe Tushan quote about how aggressors are SO cOOl and AWESOME and TOTALLY Salamander
>>98577268But it's not just a Land Raider in a vacuum. It's the stupid looking hover tanks along side it that also need multiple squads undivided attention to take out. W/E I am just a bitter grognard at this point. I no longer have friends that still play and I only have pickup games. I should probably just quit playing before I do something as stupid as spending money to update my list for this edition.
>>98577290>Who would reject being even more BASED and BADASSPrimaris are cool
>>98577243First really well thought out post from the primaris side I've seen and unfortunately I need to run to work now and don't have time to respond, damn. Just want you to know anon I don't agree with all your takes but I appreciate you trying to make it an actual discussion and not being one of the shitflinging "primaris are king" retards.
Did you guys know Transformers: The Movie killed off most of the original toy line and introduced a bunch of new Transformers to get you to buy the new toys?
>>98577029Come to think of it I've never seen anyone use these. Are their rules as dogshit as the models are?
>>98577309god forbid that vehicles not be fucking useless from endless chain stunning or getting one shot
>>98577290This is such an example of sheer British cynicism that the only people this appeals to are literal slave-minded retards.
>>98577296>terminator in sorcerer in terminator armor.New unit leak?
>>98577315primaris are king thoughbeit
>>98577323I saw a guy using a iirc unpainted squad in my lgs like a month or two ago
>>98577320Thank you for the update Unc
>>98577268>lmao just build a better list, chud :^)>wait not like that!
>>98577328>enjoys board game without worrying about shit too much>ur literally a retarded slaveGoddamn
>>98577325They are so far from useless. Vehicles have been better than their points cost across the board since 10th. Going up against a guard player with 6 or 7 tanks on the field is impossible.>Inb4 win on objectives
>>98577290If you took that as an insult towards you it just means you have very thin skin.It's like people who get really really butthurt over Spec Ops: The Line where you play as a warcriminal. You, the player aren't the warcriminal, the character you play as is.
>>98577352>6 or 7haha
Cmon man, it's just a conversion! I recognize all the bits. They're not making some weird new true scale space marines.
>>98577343He said that in service of your point you bumbling moron.
Ok so after starter set ork side (warboss, weirdboy, 20 boyz, 10 gretchins and wartrakk) what would you recommend getting next as a generally "safe buys" stuff that will be useful for gaems
>>98577365Perhaps the most embarrassing /40kg/ misplays ever. If we didn't have photos, the morons here would say it never happened.
>>98577360Dismissing without addressing is the sign of a midwit.
>>98577356The fuck has that to do with being a fan of an army for decades and then GW thowing that army in the trash and writing a blurb that basically says you're not a real fan if you don't want the shit replacements?
>>985773683 dakka rigs and 100 more boyz
>>98577356Except the Devs in an interview say otherwise.
>>98576855About $300 worth? Extremely strange question.
>>98577393cringe
With new models going to legends like the hammerfall bunker, stormX gunships and Supressors, I don't know if it's safe to buy niche or unpopular models anymore for my other factions. Was thinking of getting a khorne lord of skulls or venomcrawlers but since they weird / oldish or have a weird sprue, not sure if they are safe to buy.
I wish Tau were real
>>98577393based
Why aren't (you) killing loretubers, anon???
>>98577412venomcrawlers would be taking obliterators with them if they were squatted so they're probably fine
>>98577412The stormraven hurts me because I really like transport planes. Hopefully they'll make a new one with the proportions of the storm eagle.
>>98577412What do you meanThe whole point of legends is so that you will always be able to use them
>>98577412Get the models because you like them, you lobotomite
>>98577428Just like Tyrant's Legion or renegade guard, right??
>>98577412You should only buy models if you like them, not if they're meta or safe
>>98577428Kantorbros?
>>98577428nta but legends are going to be rapidly powercrept into complete uselessness this edition and there's no guarantee that GW will even keep a legends datasheet around
>>98577440He will be back.
>>98577461I'll give her a pass for keeping a mostly human face because Cawl even does it. Cute.
PRIMARIS are for PRIMARIES
>>98577424just imagine it. loretubers screaming as they are tortured to death. as the secondaries and tertiaries wail in pain. just imagine it. savor it.
>>98577476>PRIMARIS are for PRIMARIESImagine stating such an obvious fact, thinking it would cause controversy...
>>98577449So will tacs and devastators. Trust.
>>98577445Boxnoughts were already unplayably bad in 10th, it's gonna be even worse now.
>>98577476>>98577495Um… firstbornsissies?Our response?
>>98577519>Um… firstbornsissies?>Our response?I'll respond when I'm done sobbing uncontrollably.
>>98576823Great book. His GSC novel was pretty good too
>>98577519
>>98577519Hey, I don't care. I'm buying cheap as dirt second hand minis to play older editions.
>>98577029I like them. The gun reminds me of a anti drone gun. Other than being Primarisshit, why do these get so much hate?
>>98577543The weapon designs don't even make sense.
Any good printable Ork special weapons out there yet?
>>98577145Hear hear. Almost all my SM army is HH bits instead. Primaris is ugly
>boughted a used windrider>can't get the rider offsuffering
>>98577029Most definetly yes because GW is clearly leaning on gravis becoming new devastators. Armageddon box released with Eradicators with Heavy Bolters, it's likely GW will soon release a new "Eradicator Squad" kit and just gives them all the options.
>>98577543They just look bad.
>>98577582Imagine the struggle trying to climb back into the tank
>>98577315Thanks man, I have been on /tg/ for too long and I remember the posts of first time players hand wringing over how to equip their dudes. I remember all the people who would make fun of space marine proportions and comparing them to other models from different ranges. Some people might disagree but I think there is a silent majority of people out there that really enjoy the space marine facelift and how much more dynamic the sculpts and poses look (but monopose is a double edged sword).It's clear that GW made some design mistakes at the start of 8th and have put in work over the last decade to claw back some of that OG grimdark space marine flavor and aesthetic. I really think that the way GW went about the primaris lore put such a sour taste in so many peoples mouths that they have a tendency to judge with a bias. The best of the old space marine sculpts are used to judge the whole of the primaris range, but a lot of the time we really arent seeing 1:1 comparisons of the new models vs the old models they are replacing. Like the current techmarine sculpt is the best it's ever been. Bladeguards are fantastic, the jump captain sculpt is the best we have ever seen. All the chapter specific heroes are pretty solid upgrades too. Grimaldus was a fantastic upgrade, helbrecht was phenomenal. Literally nothing lost except a change in proportions.
>>98577243>The refresh just works, I think people will feel a lot better about intercessors when they have time to look at and absorb the new multipart kit.Intercessors are ugly.Motocross helmet is ugly.Manbra is ugly.Over design is ugly.Buzz Lightyear cankles are ugly.Knee flanges are ugly.
>>98577590>I think there is a silent majority of people out there that really enjoy the space marine facelift and how much more dynamic the sculpts and poses lookNobody who dislikes primaris wants the old proportions and squat poses back. CSM showed you can just fix the proportions without changing fucking everything.
>>98577591All of those is what make primaris look cool instead of retarded like marinelets are.
>>98577427>Hopefully they'll squat my expensive model to force me to buy another one that does the same thing and looks the samePeak paypiggie mentality
>>98577315There is no primaris side, just shitposters.
>>98577568kwab
>>98577323>take an american M202 flash>add a bunch of retarded gizmos>split the quad barrel into 2 seperated barrelsit looks gay, if they had just given them a blatant copy of the m202 flash it would have been an awesome kit but no primaris demands retarded shit slapped everywhere.>>98577360guard tanks are cheaper than most elite infantry squads and literally just got a buff to where the strongest leman russ variant is now cheaper than a 20 man guard squad
>>98577556Yeah, it's 40k. So what? Rule of cool takes precedence, with "a warp wizard did it" running interference for the autists
>>98577586>both pauldrons on>nevermind the helmetthe horror
>>98577602Im not a shitposter and I like primaris
>>98577123>IT'S A CHAOS CONSPIRACY
>>98577608You can only invoke the rule of cool when the thing looks cool.
>>98577209Old marines were already updated 2 times before, and along a rules/aesthetics shake up: 2nd and 3rd ed. And then they got several kit updates over their life time.At no point that triggered the massive revenue increment that began with Primarchs returning and Primaris, way beyond their previous yearly increases. Marines are GW's biggest selling product, so the only one factor that can explains that. Not only most older marinefags enthusiastically adopted primaris, but lots of new marinefags joined them.Now you'll talk some pseud shit about muh correlation, or "favouritism" or whatever. But you know you're lying to yourself. Primaris may have lots of issues (lore, looks, unit design) for more discerning marifags, but GW struck gold with them and that cannot be denied. And by now they've utterly replaced the identity of the old ones as "Space marines" in the minds of pretty much everybody.tl:dr: Deal with it, stop whining
>>98577278I really don't know, I think part of it was marketing for sure but if you think back to 8th, there was a legitimate business need to upgrade a lot of those kits. especially the finecast stuff. I also think that lawyers wanted to rework their IP into something more legally defensible, in the same way that the Eldar became the Aeldari and the imperial guard became the astra militarum. Primaris may have began as an attempt to make space marines more marketable to normies by making space marines a brotherhood of masterchiefs but now a decade later it feels like they made a hard aesthetic pivot back to what made space marines so appealing to begin with.
>>98577602I like primaris
Post your SOVLful firstborn manlets
>>98577368Why don't you ask yourself what models you actually want first Anon, or what kind of army you want to play
>>98577624I was painting some melta devastators. Not feeling much motivation to finish them now.
>>98577352>6 or 7My 2k list is 9>2 commanders>2 Exterminators>2 Punishers>3 VanquishersI also have 4 Hippogriffs and a Chimera (for the one squad of guardsmen) in the list.I could easily make this list 11 Leman Russ, or swap some stuff around for a Dorn Commander and a normal Dorn, but I love the Hippogriff too much.>>98577605>strongest LR variant is now cheaper than a 20 man guard squadGW heavily overvalues the heavy limitation on weapons (meaning they end up on cheap units) and undervalues tanks as a ranged weapon (meaning that close-range tanks are overvalued and long-range tanks are undervalued). At least for the Russ, the Dorn is rather well balanced points-wise for it's utility as a mid-range heavy tank.
>>98577145>>98577136>marines malevolent playersHeh, I'm an asshole, here's a pile of dead blue marines, because I'm an asshole>ultramarines playersI have no taste>dark angels playersI just wanted to be knights I didn't know they were gay (but I am gay)>blood angels playersEndless crying about sang guard, women who lust for vampires>space wolf playersBig oof hahahaha>deathwatch playersPaying a premium because GW won't release separate boxes for each of their squads, so they have to buy multiple kill teams>iron handstwo players, one browses /tg/ and the other eddit>white scars playersAll fucked off to Ravenwing a long time ago>SalamandersDo I even need to say it? *tips fedora*>crimson fists playersACKSHULLY we were the poster chapter before they invented the horus heresy!>black templar playersI get into long political arguments on twitter with trannies who want female marines
>>98577619nta, but well said. It's clear that Primaris began as a total refresh of Marines, and was eventually scaled back to a middle point. Otherwise scouts and terminators would have dissapeared like tacticals.IMO, there's also clear signs of "infighting" inside GW. There must be also pro and anti Primaris designers in the company. Now that Jes Goodwin is finally retiring I wonder what will happen...
>>98577614>>98577620but do you own primaris?
>>98576997>So update the kitThey did, they’re called intercessors now>They are inherently more interesting than intercessors though.Ah, so you’re being willfully obtuse
>>98577614>>98577620ECKSDEE
>>98577642Are you retarded?
Dark Eldar refresh soon>>98577412>>98577427Stormtalon and Raven nd centurions were all squatted because they are piloted by FirstbornGW wiped out all the firstbornSoon you will have Hoverjets called the Landraven and Landtalon instead.
My autism wouldn't let me use magic cards that didn't have the 2014 border there's no way I could mix in firstborn with my primaris
>>98577393This is literally just an Alpha Legionnaire fucking around lmao, she is still screwed
>>98577637its actually insane that you can run 3 vanquishers for less than 400 points, GW seems to think that a 50% chance to miss is why it should be so cheap but forgets that guard orders gives army wide 3+ BS for free and if it stays still its a 2+ and when it does hit its basically a guarenteed tank kill and the damn thing still has like 2 heavy bolters and a lascannon it can shoot. Oh and its one of the more tankier vehicles too, literally anything short of S12 isnt wounding it meaning like several armies just cannot kill 1.
>>98577640>creators of warhammer want terminators and tacticals>fanbase wants terminators and tacticals>random trannies who got into the development team and DEI MBAs who run marketing hate them
>>98577644Ad hominem!
>>98577393pedo artist
>>98577661I'll take that as yes.
>>98577659Do you know who's Jes Goodwin, anon?Primaris wasn't new guys fucking up everything. It was the old guys being bored and wanting new things.
>>98577659Well, if it's anything like the last few companies I worked at I'm sure they'll settle in the middle ground of whatever the fuck marketing/sales wants.At my last job sales literally sold a client on 7/365 customer support without telling anyone so we went from a 9-5 company to having everyone but sales in the office 7 days a week. Fuck sales and marketing.
>>98577412I just bought a Stormraven and a Vindicator because they're cool models.There's plenty of ways to play with them. I hope that this finally makes lots of people look into older editions and homebrewing.
>>98577393Lame
>>98577688But think of the overtime :)
>>98577029yes, it's inevitable
>>98577640>Now that Jes Goodwin is finally retiring I wonder what will happen...When I heard of his retiring I really wondered if he stuck around just to oversee this redesign project that is concluding. GW has 30+ years of lessons learned- they know what to do and what to avoid, They have a country full of creatives that grew up during 3rd and 4th edition that would love to work for them. GW has every reason to continue to succeed here but if they fail then It's easier now than it's ever been for an upstart company to come in with rival products. I am not too worried about the company but I am not worried at all with the hobby as a whole.>>98577595I think the most enduring problems here is that GW has never been very forthcoming with why they felt primaris was necessary or what their goals were. My guess is that they believed that the changes were so extreme that they needed an in-universe way to justify (and continue to sell) both firstborn and the new models on the battlefield simultaneously without breaking immersion as they went through what would become a decade long redesign.>>98577591ugly is subjective, I can see some of what you're describing like overdesign (looking at you, desolation squad) but the motocross helmet has existed in lore, it's basically just a less slanted mk 4 helmet.you don't have to like it, The ankle and knee flanges I think are an attempt at adding additional visual interest to a place of the model that was increasing in size.
>>98577050I do. Or i would. But I pirate all mine.
>>98577710Of course the changes were too extreme, but the issue is that the changes were completely unnecessary, again, as CSM and terminators prove.
THEY SHITCANNED THE DREADNAUGHT?!
>>985776573 Vanquishers costs 405 points. The first 2 are 130, the third is 145. 130+130+145 is 405. Add 15 to that if you want the hull guns to be lascannons for 420 for 3. You can add a fourth that's a Commander (who can give that BS boosting fire order to all 3 of the others with Calm Under Fire) for 635 points total, with all of them having hull lascannons.>basically a guaranteed tank killWith what I listed here, that's 4 shots per turn with an 83.3% chance of occuring that each do AT MINIMUM 7 damage. And then you add the lascannon in each of them if your opponent is inside of the 4 foot range of that gun, instead of just the 6 foot range of the Vanquisher cannon.These odds are a LOT more than "basically." That's more than an 80% chance of killing anything your tank can see, every turn, and you have 4 of them. I fully intend to run this list into the ground to laugh in the face of my marinefag friends who refused to hear any claims of marines being annoying or unfun to play against at times.The solution to Vanquishers not being the objective best option is a redesign of terrain layouts and cover (or making it a casemate and making facings matter on vehicles), but that would require GW to make an actual wargame again.
>>98577716it's easy to say looking back what was and wasn't necessary but keep in mind that we all have collectively walked down this one specific path. We have no idea what the state of this general would be like today if GW had just begun to overhaul space marines with no real lore justification.
>Facing now affects Toughness valuesThere, I fixed vehicles
>all this vindicator talkinb4 vindicators stop being good in less than a month with the incoming power creep
I want corsair bladesworn as a unit
>>98577731>We have no idea what the state of this general would be like today if GW had just begun to overhaul space marines with no real lore justification.We ended up with Decalian Mutant and the Primaris are King fag, I can't imagine it being much worse than that
>>98577104>mfw a basic unit of retarded Boyz has more tactical flexibility than Space Marines do now
Why shouldn't I run 6 wave serpents all filled with corsair voidreavers? They're 13w t9 3+ save with a 5+ invuln, and with voidreavers in em they can scout 7".
>>98577739Your post is 2/3 of the mentions of that tank in the entire threadIs this what people mean when they say someone has terminal marine brain?
Do we know how exodites kill team sold, will likely lead to an army if people like it right?
why haven't a bunch of chapters gotten together and gangbanged the marines malevolent out of existence for their incessant crimes against those they're sworn to protect?
>100 berserkers>1 kharn>1 master of executionsrealistically how do you beat this
>>98577198I mean we know it is from selling primaris. Or are you to propose it's from selling votann and Eldar?And to 83% of players primaris are just upscale firstborn. Marines are Marines to new players.
>>98577754Space marines will find reasons to disagree with each other no matter what, and if they can't find any, they'll invent new ones. Orks are a more enlightened species who are wise to the universal truth that a shoota is a shoota is a shoota.
>>98577783I think some older eldar units might get squatted in the next few years and replaced with dinosaur units instead desu.
>>98577799easily
>>98577795Nobody cares.
>>98577815But the gorks kill the morks or something right?
>>98577816there are like 3 "old" eldar units that haven't already been squatted, and they're all staples of the faction
>>98577815they all train to use a specific weapon
>>98577822I was thinking the war walkers and maybe the wraithknight.
>>98577368Get something to kill armor, so a Deffdread, Wrecka Krew killteam, Battle wagon. You won't have a lot of fun, if someone brings two leman russ until you can kill them.Besides some anti tank, just get more shit you think looks cool.
>>98577731>We have no idea what the state of this general would be like today if GW had just begun to overhaul space marines with no real lore justification.Everything would be better as there wouldn't be any retarded divide within space marines and we wouldn't be losing the iconic core units that had defined the army for decades. Asbolutely no one asked for a justification when they upscaled CSM or even Death Guard at the exact same time as primaris.
>>98577799120 termagaunts120 hormagaunts60 gargoyleuhhhh idk a tyranid prime warlord
>>98577736There is a way.
she gorkin on my mork till I waaagh
>>98577827Intercessors are just like tactical marines in the sense that they are trained to be proficient in the use of any small arms in the chapter's arsenal save whatever specialist weapons are reserved for the veteran squads. This is simply not reflected in their rules and models.
>>98577772arr sound same
>>98577807>Or are you to propose it's from selling votann and Eldar?I'd say it's from GW remembering they have a marketing department and not from the sales of newfags that never knew they had changed anything about marines because they are newfags.
>>98577842I think part of the point was to remove core units and revamp datasheets.
>>98577859she lictor my neuro till i tyrant
>>98577731>We have no idea what the state of this general would be like today if GW had just begun to overhaul space marines with no real lore justification.we do actually since we can see the other factions fanbases after their stuff got upscaled
>>98577874And it was a shit move that only worked because they manufactured a situation where most people don't know abou the classic units.
>>98577886Space marines are different.
>>98577893Not really
>>98577799https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgNBsCI4EA
Post (You)'re most recently painted model.
>>98577839>Wrecka Krew killteamIs getting 2x of those to build breaka boyz and tank bustas good
>>98577722I'm sorry, Anon. It's over.
>>98577767Voidreavers suck.
>>98577892It's all about the same. If you liked devastators squad, you have hellblasters, eradicators and desolation squads now. Sternguard, vanguard vets, jump pack marines, bike marines, dreadnoughts, they all still exist they just exist in a better looking scale now( imo)The only think you really "lost" were the special weapon tucked in tactical squads.
>>98577726My friend runs a guard list like this but has his 2 commanders armed with autocannons for mopping up MEQs while the 3 vanquishers blow up literally everything. Hes won tournaments with it.
NO MORE BROTHER WARS!!!
>>98577947In the end they truly were just Ultramarines in red armor.
>>98577977shut up spider-man lover
>>98577977
>>98577941Devastators have no real replacement. Even when giving 4 all the same loadout, they also were supposed to have bolter marines as meat shield noobs.The primaris heavy weapons units are a mess. A mix of tacticus and gravis and rifle weapons. Desolation are no replacement for real missile launchers.At least we should have got a CSM havoc equivalent squad with Gravis and forcing a mono loadout.
>check my order history from an online store for my 40k purchases>first model I bought was a knight desecrator for $150 cad after tax way back in the early 2020s>check the price of the similar knight ruinator box>230 cad after taxLife is so gay.
>>98577947It triggers my OCD that the captain doesn't have the same loadout as the one in the original. Specially since all other elements are so close.
>>98577941>If you liked devastators squad, you have hellblasters, eradicators and desolation squads now.Yeah. No. Devastators had 4 heavy weapons. Hellblasters and desolators have between 5 and 10. Erradicators have a single multimelta per 3 models and a completely different weapon for the others while also being gravis and on 40mm bases.>dreadnoughtsAlso not comparable. Redemptors are the equivalent to leviathans, not castraferrums. And let's not forget the missing special weapons for assault squads and bikes.
>>98577947The one who started the war isn't in a position to say this though.
>>98578000>way back in the early 2020s
>>98578025Half a decade is a decent chunk of time anon
>>98578017>Redemptors are the equivalent to leviathans, not castraferrums.Lore-wise they're too big, but let's not pretend they're not the intended Castraferrum replacement in the game. > let's not forget the missing special weapons for assault squads and bikes.Those are relatively minor differences that also changed over 40k historyNo Devastators or rhino tanks are the big issues. Intercessors only need a special and heavy weapon to replace tacticals.
>>98578025We are closer to 2030 than 2020, unc.
Painting now, will post updates in a few hours for you all to mock and lambaste again. Will use my phone this time. Some of the tips you gave last night will probably be semi-helpful, so thanks for those.
>>985780342007 was just a couple of years ago...
>>98578033>let's not pretend they're not the intended Castraferrum replacement in the game.Even custodes have kept their contemptors while having telemons. It's retarded and not a real replacement even if GW wants to force it.>Those are relatively minor differences that also changed over 40k historyYou conveniently forget they hadn't changed for marines in 30 years.>No Devastators or rhino tanks are the big issues.I still believe they'll bring back the rhino tanks since they are actually updating the rhino.>Intercessors only need a special and heavy weapon to replace tacticals.They also need to ditch bolt rifles.
>>98578033>heavy weapons are split between five units in three different armor types
>>98578045>telemonsDespite being dreadnoughts, they are essentially just custodes knights pretty much.
>>98577998>The primaris heavy weapons units are a mess. A mix of tacticus and gravis and rifle weapons. Desolation are no replacement for real missile launchers.I've heard people say this stuff before but it feels rooted in opinion more than reality.a big problem with oldmarines were that new players would buy these expensive boxes and then get scared when building them, the special weapon bloat was out of control. it didn't feel good for new players to buy a box of marines and then agonize over their wargear options. >>98578017A dread is a dread, the new dreads look more imposing on the battlefield, The height increase is justified. The ballistus dreadnought is basically just a better looking ironclad.I don't think we are done with dreads either, it feels like an eventually for the venerable dreadnought to return and I imagine it will receive more of the classic dread design queues that you feel are missing.
>>98578033>Intercessors only need a special and heavy weapon to replace tacticalsJust glue a heavy bolter onto your intercessor and use the grenade launcher profile for it.
>>98578061They are the same weight class as redemptors...
>>98577998>Devastators have no real replacement.Eradicators are basically them now.It's not at all coincidence that GW made those erads with heavy bolters a thing with the Armageddon boxset.It's obvious they are gearing towards remaking the gravis kits and turning them into the dedicated heavy weapon squads for marines.
>>98578045>They also need to ditch bolt rifles.That's just nickpicking and whisful thinking. They even made bolt rifles 24" to match old boltguns>>98578063>it didn't feel good for new players to buy a box of marines and then agonize over their wargear options. yes, but that was GW doing a bad job with the rules and kits. And after 2e the Devastators kit was designed intentionally to make players having to buy 2 boxes to make them all the same loadout. Compare that with what the HH game does with upgrade sprues.Anyway, GW could sell different Gravis kits with dual loadouts each. A sane version of the current schizo kit variants.
>>98577977>prefer the unique flavor of the WolvesDecalfag beastiality is wrong. Get the knot out off your ass and mouth.
>>98578085Needs Saturnine.
>>98578063>A dread is a dreadThere's loads of dreadnought chassis. Some smaller, some heavier. You can't just take the heaviest class of dreadnought and try to pass it as the standard.>I imagine it will receive more of the classic dread design queues that you feel are missing.It's not just the design queues, redemptors are just way too big to replace the castraferrums.>>98578094>That's just nickpicking and whisful thinking. They even made bolt rifles 24" to match old boltgunsAnd they still keep calling them bolt rifles and give them different rules to every other boltgun in the game and are still way too long. Then we also have carbines that look exactly like boltguns should but are also a different weapon with different rules for no reason.
>>98578065nonsense>>98578092I don't like the videogamey light/medium/heavy trooper shit that doesn't matches how IRL those things work, but I guess Gravis Devastators would be at least consistent and not the current design mess>>98578103Funny that you post SW. That's the SM that have probably changed the least with their refresh (shame that they lost their flyer, though).Truly the teacher's pet.
>>98577783the army will happen regardless
>>98578132>himkek
It was so easy for chaos.
>tfw no one is allowed to start a space wolves army due to that one guyOh well.
Any hazard stripe chads here? I enjoy the Iron Warriors but can hardly take the plunge to actually try doing hazard stripes. Is there a fate crueler than enjoying Iron Warriors but being unable to do the stripes? Do you just free hand them? Also, what should go on first? The yellow or black?
>>98578137Going to have to replace those with>Accursed Heavy WeaponIf you ask nice you might get two firing modes.
>>98578103I think you're focusing too hard at the size of the dreadnought, i think I remember you last night explaining that they can't fit into confined space hulk spaces at their current size. While I agree that is valid, I don't think you can justify keeping dreadnoughts small on the tabletop over that. They are big, people get excited when they put them in their army. People get excited to paint them. They feel like a centerpiece to a collection now.
>>98578144Put yellow on first, you can do straight Averland Sunset if you want. Then a 1:1 mix of abaddon black and black templars contrast for the stripes. You can use Tamiya masking tape to get perfect stripes.If you want to do a little extra, get a sponge and dab on some Averland to make it look nice and worn.
>>98578148Not everything needs to be gigantic. Dreadnoughts weren't supposed to be gigantic by default. The biggest, rarest dreads, the leviathans, were big. The rest were not even twice as tall as a regular marine. Redemptors are fine as long as they occupy the same niche as leviathans, not the one filled by castraferrums.
>>98578148Also both the original RT dreads and the metal Castraferrums were twice the heigh of the marine minis at their time.The intended relative scale hasn't really changed much.
What are rankings like in Chaos Space Marine factions? I was always get confused as far as what really is an ASPIRING CHAMPION compared to a CHOSEN? Which is stronger from a lore perspective? I'd imagine that a Chosen is what you become after you are done aspiring no? Separate question, do the chaos gods really give a shit if Chaos Space Marines or whomever monkey branches between worshipping? So for example, if you are a marine that primarily worships Nurgle and suddenly you think "Damn, I might need to do some melee today. Let me call up Khorne". Is that really allowed amongst the Chaos Gods? Do they even give a shit?
>>98578143Nah we have some SW guys that aren't the mutant and people don't give them shit.
>>98578172The way I see it, Chosen are basically Veterans. Aspiring Champions are effectively veteran sergeants.If you're dedicated to one God I think you're locked in, but Undivided CSM can beseech the gods as they please.
>>98578168That's simply not true.
>>98578172>ASPIRING CHAMPIONsergeant>CHOSENsternguard veteran
>>98578143You had no intentions of starting one and are just stirring the pot like a vile bitch
>>98578172>Daemon Prince>Chaos Lord, Dark Apostle>Sorceror, Master of Possessions, Warpsmith, Coryphaus, Master of Executions, other Lieutenants, etc.>Chosen>Aspiring Champions>LegionariesPOWER GAP>Cultists of any kind
>>98578143Its all just bantz bro
>>98578192minicompare is not accurate
>>98578063>a big problem with oldmarines were that new players would buy these expensive boxes and then get scared when building them, the special weapon bloat was out of control. it didn't feel good for new players to buy a box of marines and then agonize over their wargear options.Stupid people deserve to be filtered from the game. Nobody ever actually had issues with this shit if they were actually getting into the game. Researching your purchases is not difficult. I was able to figure this stuff out when I started during junior high school, so anyone else ought to be able to.
>>98578219You're comparing it to a turbosquatting RT beakie when the castraferrums are from 2ed.
>>98578219Also even by your own pic the intercessor should be two heads taller to reach the same spot on the redemptor the beakie does on the boxnought.
So now I have my khorne red base should I recess shade or drybrush first?
>>98578124>nonsenseIt's not.
>>98578143Don't let this place affect any of your decisions.
>>98578222And people like you wonder why GW doesnt pander to you LOL
>>98578224Rt marines and 2e tacticals are the same size
>>98578242NTA but I believe the game shouldn't be designed for people that refuse to read the rules.
>>98578248>posts a metal beakie, not the turbosquatting plastic beakie>ignores that even then the intercessor should be two heads taller to reach the same spot on the redemptor the beakie does on the boxnoughtWhat are you trying to prove?
>>98578242You think people should just blindly buy models without reading anything. No wonder you love modern GW. Kinda sounds like you work for em.
Speaking of Dreadnoughts>Terminator Armour - Tactical Dreadnought ArmourShouldn't this mean that there ought to be a Terminator version of each Dreadnought?Where is a Redemptor Dreadnought Primaris Terminator equivalent?
>>98578219Do you not know how FOV and perspective works, retard?
>>98578253You are very desperate to not look like you're wrong lmao
>>98578261Brother look at the lines on your own pic. The relative size difference is nowhere near close.
>>98577908Last time for a while I swear.
>>98578272I'm a third party, I just popped in to laugh at you
>>98578253>ignores that both the beakie and the primaris are closer to the came and thus bigger than the dreads>nonsense about " the same spot " when the new dread has longer legsWhat are you trying to prove?>>98578259do you, blind moron?>>98578272Redemptors are nuCastraferrums, period. They're too big for their supposed job on enclosed spaces? Sure. But their role in the game hasn't changed at all.
>>98578254N-No I don’t!
>>98578257the only other correspondence is contemptor and tartaros, and maybe the cobra terminator with the original rogue trader dreadnought, as a stretch
>>98578253He proved you wrong, you're now grasping at straws.
>>98578259NTA, do you? If you moved that rt marine back to be side by side with the dread it would look even smaller by comparison
but 2012 was 4 years ago
>>98577908The last 40k model, at least
>>98578257>Shouldn't this mean that there ought to be a Terminator version of each Dreadnought?No, because TDA was never a smaller version of a dreadnought, it was just given the name to reflect its purpose and role. Then FW decided to make Contemptor and Tartaros have similar designs to draw attention to it and GW followed up with the Saturnines. It's just flanderization because retards at GW have no ideas left.
>>98578285>>98578290
nu dreads are cooler than the old box dreads
>>98578036This man carries the true spirit of 4chan.
>>98578172aspiring champion means like the person that the warband leadership has entrusted to lead the squad. Chosen are people favored by the forces of chaos, likely from impressing the dark gods as a legionary.It's kind of up to you for how your warband handles chaos worship. maybe your legionary was performing some dark augury involving the entrails of a slave and felt compelled to invoke khornes power before a great battle. maybe your warband only accepts one gods gift, maybe a rising power within your warband represents another god over your patron (and seeks to usurp you). maybe your warband goes the abaddon route and uses each god as a tool, knowing they will give their gifts frivolously. it's really up to you.
>>98578307>anon doens't have depth perception>or a steady pulsesad
>>98578307You a dummy
>>98578322
>>98578322I no longer like nudreads
>>98578222 you can have that opinion but most companies cannot justify that as a business decision. Think about it this way: Accessible space marines post 8th have done a great job at funding a bunch of armies that probably would not have ever existed otherwise. If you're looking for granularity then there is a bunch of other factions to suit your wants.
I think sisters of battle should get a classic small boxnought
>>98578292Yes? Have you not noticed that the retard is arguing otherwise?
>>98578323I love this board.
>>98577908Does WIP count?
>>98578307SOULLESS vs SOVL
>>98577908
>>98578000I’m scared to look at how much I’ve spent on this hobby entirely. Paints supplies minis the printer stls all of it.
>>98577908Pretty sure it was these
>>98578345>regular low-tech metal axe, not power axeHuh
>>98578390They are combat axes anon, I wanted it to look mundane as possible.
>>98578147this weapon profile shrimplification shit is going to be the death of 40k.
>>98577647That’s not a dark eldar girl from warhammer 40k. That’s a human anime girl. You did goof and I have to give my meat the good old rub to gyaru or tomboy hentai now.
>>98578393Fair enough, just surprised me is all
>>98578323Making the legs twice as long just ruins the proportions.
>>98578403>I have to give my meat the good old rub to gyaru or tomboy hentai nowOr you could be a manpic rel
>>98578398I still can’t memorize 40k rules after all this simplification.Maybe it is that I lack motivation to memorize because short codex cycles.Or I have been brain rotted to near illiteracy from too much screen usage.Or both.
>>98578416That pic is from a cruel hentai isn’t it?Have the Japanese started making warhammer 40k hentais?Would James go after them with the dmca?
>>98578420you might just be brain damaged
>>98578420It's because the new editions don't actually simplify the overall game at all. It simplifies all the core rules that could benefit from some actual meat, and moves all the complexity over to datasheet bloat and mission scoring bloat instead. So you end up with a game that lacks detail where it needs it and has too much detail where it shouldn't have it. It's the worst of both worlds.
>>98578248Here is a nice comparison between like-posed nuVI and primaris.
>>98578420There is a lot more to memorize now that it used to back in midhammer era. It's not you, it's the game.
>>98578420The shrimplification unironically made everything harder to memorize.
How do I view GW stuff on Darklegionmarket? They are the only people who had a vampire raider which I was saving for and now all their GW stuff isn’t searchable on their main website. Alternatively anyone got another source for one?
>>98578424I mean I have defects like autism and adhd and more are suspecting so you might be right.:(>>98578425I see now.By chance does GW really know their editions aren’t that great and keep it that way on purpose so players move to the next warhammer 40k edition in hopes it is actually better?
>>98578322Trash taste. Must be all that knot you've been gobbling.
>>98578447>By chance does GW really know their editions aren’t that great and keep it that way on purpose so players move to the next warhammer 40k edition in hopes it is actually better?they don't purposefully kneecap their own game. they just know they are going to release more books in the future on a set schedule and price point no matter what. its like how pokemon and magic are going to release new sets infinitely regardless if the game actually needs new or changed content...
>>98578434Bring them back. Stop giving every datasheet unique abilities.
>>98578447>By chance does GW really know their editions aren’t that great and keep it that way on purpose so players move to the next warhammer 40k edition in hopes it is actually better?That's one theory. I'm not fully sure I ascribe to it, but it's possible. I think it's a mixture of that, and incompetence, and tourney bias because somewhere over the last 10-15 years they got the bright idea to hire new devs from the compfag autist tournament circuit instead of the old way of doing things which was to hire creative guys who could also write lore and conceptualize the game as a narrative. And there's also the fact that the executives are constantly meddling in the stuff that the actual talented designers put out (you can find interviews with guys who used to work for GW who explain this, some of them were actually good and cool dudes with great ideas and they were just constantly fucking kneecapped by GW forcing bad decisions).
>>98578431Is the height difference really too much a deal gameplay wise?
>>98578510Sure
How do Rad-Grenades even workThey don't make much sense if you think about them for too long.
>>98578510leeman russ sucks wolf dick LOL>>98577292BTW here's my submission
Isha and Kurnous are the parents of all the eldar people. But what's the relationship between Isha and Asuryan, king of the gods? Is Asuryan her father?
I tried using a cable from my phone to transfer my pics, but my phone port is too jammed full of lint to connect to my laptop, and my internet connection is too shit to send pics from my phone. I'm almost 40 years old and this is my first attempt at painting anything. Also, I spilled a Viking Berry Monster Energy Drink all over my bed trying to use my bedside lamp for lighting. Anyway, any tips as to what I'm doing wrong and how to improve would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
>>98578557People with rad poisoning puke and generally feel sick. I bet shooting and stabbing is supper effective against them
>>98578568Oh, and I include the unpainted guy because I fucked up his assembly so bad he looks like he's about to do a breakdancing flip.
>>98578568Put a shirt on or fuck off.
>>98578569According to the fluff the radioactive material inside has a super short half-life but if thats the case what's stopping the material from just decaying inside the grenade before its used.
>>98578581>Put a shirt onNever.
>>98578559I like the cute quote on the rim
Everyone that posts their models is automatically a superior human to those that don't.
>>98578602IDK if I'm thinning my paints too much or not enough. Like, it fills in all the details like I don't want, but then when it dries the primer still shows through.
>>98578425>mission scoring bloat insteadI don't know how necessary the secondary cards are, but the shift from "kill everything" to objectives is a good one. If only the power creep didn't make it moot sometimes.>>98578483I'm probably going to make my own 40k at some point and I'm strongly leaning in this direction. I like weapons having abilities, but only special units like Leaders should have special rules IMO.
>>98578484Got any examples of one of these interviews?Im not saying I dont believe you, Im just curious to see what they said
Anyone got a knife to recommend? I bought a cheap as fuck one and it's not cutting without force and I'm so scared of fucking up this battle sister torso I'm not going to do it
>>98577533It's my favorite of his (Fire Caste is a close second). In addition to being a fun 40k story in its own right, it's a complete tour of the genestealer lifecycle (with POVs from almost every generation) and a case study of the full history of a genestealer cult from the first purestrain genestealers making planetfall to its eventual discovery by the host planet and the chaos that comes after. If anybody was looking for an enjoyable way to get a 360-degree view of what genestealers are all about it's the perfect document. It tells you everything you need to know about them. I continue to be impressed with how Fehervari's able to work so much "game" stuff into his novels without being awkward about it.
>>98578652That's a better paint job than yours bud.
>>98578501I mean it does make a difference as far as targeting and they should be much bigger than normal guardsmen
>>98578501I mean that kinds depends on you and your friends right? If I had a whole bunch of older minimarines Iis not like I wouldnt play with them, but id probably also start collecting the new ones too and eventually phase out the smaller ones.Dont let some aspie stop you from having fun.
>>98578657100%
>>98578559I like the dirt and the battle damage/chipping it looks cool
>>98578652>Why does the other hand look like you’re holding your cock?because my other hand is holding my cock
>we are now getting disgusting fettish posts.Yeah I'm done with this general.
>>98578669Unfathomably based
>>98577365>>98577377context?
>>98578675Don't let the door hit you on the faggot on the way out.
>>98578623Even back in 3rd we had table quarters and central objectives. It wasn't just kill points.
>>98578675diaperwolfbros…
>>985786481) Don't use a knife. Use snippers (GodHand SPN-120).2) The duller the blade, the more dangerous it is because you need to use more force. Don't use dull blades. 3) If you NEED to use a blade for detail work, just use a modeling scalpel with an exchangeable head.
>>98578678>>98578681>unironically defending this shit and accusing me of being the decalfagWild.
>>98578682I'm using the clippers from the paint set, I guess it's time to upgrade or at least buy one of those thin files
>>98578691>clippers from the paint setDon't use GW-branded tools. The japs have turned model-making into an artform. The GodHand I recommended for example goes through plastic sprues like butter.
>>98578652I don't see any mould lines or sprue nubs so it's obviously better than yours
>>98578692I mean that dread is atleast a 6. Your sloppa is low 4 at best.
Used to play Warhammer as a teen, recently got back into painting. What do you think of my second painted model back? What resources do you guys use to improve?
>>98578688>FUCK YOU ALL AND FUCK THIS GENERAL I'M FUCKING LEAVING>*stays*the absolute state of you
>>98578714Perty gud anonYoutube lol
>>98578714Fuck you anon
>>98578714looks clean
>>98578616>IDK if I'm thinning my paints too much or not enough. Like, it fills in all the details like I don't wantNot enough>but then when it dries the primer still shows through.Then do another coat.
>>98578721?
>>98578729Showing up with something incredible and saying I just started lol
>>98578679>Even back in 3rd we had table quarters and central objectives. It wasn't just kill points.I played 4th/5th and every game I remember was just kill points. Maybe I'm misremembering or the people I played against were boring though.
>>98578719>>98578724Thanks lads, any specific youtube channels?>>98578736I didn't just start, I painted a bit as a kid/teen, only just starting now as an adult thobeit.
>>98578714Looks boring, you should probably reset it.
>>98578728you sure? because it's so thin that it doesn't even present a solid color when I apply it. that seems like it would mean that it's too thin.
>>98578748Remember yesterday when everyone told you the paints you're using have low pigment density?
>>98578586Realistically rad bombs are probably just neutron bombs. A "small" nuclear explosion which releases a disgusting amount of radiation. And yes at grenade ranges it would absolutely kill you too. Thats why only psychopaths like the mechanicum or the deathguard used them.
>>98578431Why does GW do this to themselvesWhy not make them all the same general scaleWhy did they even do this autism with primaris vs firstborn when it could (and should) have just been "they're the same tactical squad, but now to a 'proper heroic scale'"Just make all the NEW ones the same size and have the old ones still be legalLet the new sculpts speak for themselves that people would want to "upgrade" naturallyIf you want a better PR person to stop you from shooting yourself in the foot James, you can contact me at: don't contact me
>>98578756ye
>thobeitYeah, definitely a troll
What the hell is going on with MiniWarGaming? Why are they liquidating all their 40k army collections?
>>98577104if anything, new kits are going even HARDER into being tactical squads. the new boyz have a burna you can take, and a little grot who won’t be a token given he has a gun. they also axed the burna boyz specialists meaning the only burnas you can take are from the boyz kit.
>>98578762Think that might be relevant to consider?
>>98578768so but then so will it still work if I thin them?
>>98578677That image was one of, if not THE first leaked image of a Primaris Space Marine. Everyone was in denail and insisted it was just a truescale conversion going as far as posting which "bits" made up the conversion.
>>98578757Thank you anon, this makes more sense than what GW came up with
>>98578759Would the model size not affect targeting?Plus they just wanted to revamp the design going into the Space Marine 2 Henry Cavill era
>>98578747I wanted them to kind of look like French WW1 soldiers, obviously not exactly the same but that was the vibe
>>98578766They're gearing up for Ravaged Star BAYBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! seriously though they probably just fucked themselves over with the shitty contractor they used for their crowdfunded game.
>>98578771Brother I'm sorry, but you NEED to get proper model paints. GW is overpriced for everything but washes but there are dedicated model painting brands that are not GW that you can buy instead.
>>98578771Multiple thin coats. "Two thin coats is better than one thick one". Or in your case you might need four or five.
Speaking of MWG anyone tried their terrain? What did you think of it?
>>98578759>Why does GW do this to themselvesBecause they are autistic and also retarded. Autistic in "we must represent the lore accurately" (however they apply this schizophrenically at best, aka sometimes something has to be lore accurate sometimes not)Retarded in doing dumb shit.Primaris should've just been the new scale for all marines and I stand by that.ALL marines, even CSM, should've been updated into the same scale and proportions as primaris.This would also actually be good kitbashing because it's much easier combine pieces, relatively speaking, when all the said pieces have same standard size.Like want some chaos corrupted primaris who have to make do with what they get their hands on? You just add a shin from a CSM kit to make it look like an adhoc repair.
When do Grey Knights get refreshed? Also when Dark Mechanicum?
>>98578778>Would the model size not affect targeting?Yes, smaller targets are easier to hide behind terrain and other obstructions.
>>98578801You’re being kind of disrespectful towards GW right now 2bh
>>98578766They don't have a giant warehouse to store shit in. The building they use they rent out to people for money and is also where they film all their series. Having rooms filled with boxes of crap is just losing them money. They are also in Canada where real estate near any major metro cost a gorillion dollars.
>>98578802Both this edition alongside Deldar
>>98578789is Apple Barrel really unusable? I spent like $20 on a full set, I'd hate to just toss them>>98578792yeah I watched that dude's beginners tutorials but it still didn't really seem to help, I just want to know if it's more than a skill issue or something I can improve with practice
>>98578808Yeah so you can’t really just have two differently sized models representing the same thing with the same statline, it would make the smaller models just better lol
>>98578778>would the model size not affect targeting?It would, but then that needs to also be considered against consumer sentiment/goodwill and how much that tiny height difference even fucking matters in actual gameplay, which isn't very much outside of WAACfaggotry.We already have different heights for the "same" unit as well; Krieg guardsmen models are taller than Cadian models. It's to a lesser degree than the different marines of course, but the principle still applies, and indicates that the issue of vision and detection should be considered with more math and consideration ("gamification" I guess?) behind the decisions, like most things that GW's game rules struggle on.
>>98578820Consumer sentiment/goodwill seems to favor GW at the moment since theyre doing so good
>GW finally banishes firstborn units to legends >dolly parton, tim curry and peter cullen all die almost immediately after load bearing space marines...
>wahapedia updatedHe lives!
>>98578814>I just want to know if it's more than a skill issue or something I can improve with practiceIt's skill issue and materials issue. I've never worked with shitty craft paint, so I can't give in depth guidance. But I can restate:If you're losing detail your paints aren't thin enough.If you aren't getting the coverage you want use more coats That's all I can do for you. Well that and say "switch from Khorne to Nurgle" because clearly that's where you're aligned if you're so filthy you broke your phone
>>98578568EATERS OF WORLDS
>>98578814Craft paints like that CAN be used, but as has been said, the pigment count is lower, so you may need to use more thinned coats to get full coverage. I often use them for less important things or as mix-ins (ie. adding a generic white to lighten acolor). But my main paints are from bands actually formulated for use on small miniatures. There are many brands out there aside from GW's like Vallejo, Army Painter, and Pro Acryl.
>>98578654I saw someone selling 4 aberrants for 20 bucks on ebay the other day but then I kept forgetting to buy them. There must be a cheaper way to collect these guys. Feels harder though especially with how raveners and red terror are both vanguard organisms in Final Day and I kinda didn't buy either of those battleboxes when it would have been easy to scalp the admech and guard to get a free nidder.
>>98578826That's not what consumer sentiment nor goodwill means in the context I used them.Are you ESL, a bit slow, unintentionally misunderstanding, or intentionally misunderstanding? I can never tell at this stage in a discussion.
Joke/reference is winning the collage poll. Is this supposed to be a joke or reference within 40k or like a meta thing towards the thread. Can someone explain?
Saw a sealed scouts box selling for £35 and I hesitated, rip
>>98578852>It's skill issue and materials issue. I've never worked with shitty craft paint, so I can't give in depth guidance. But I can restate:>If you're losing detail your paints aren't thin enough.>If you aren't getting the coverage you want use more coats>That's all I can do for you. thanks for the advice, I just got frustrated after 4 coats and the primer was still showing through, so I figured I was using too much thinner>Well that and say "switch from Khorne to Nurgle" because clearly that's where you're aligned if you're so filthy you broke your phonehey buddy my phone works fine, it's just that the port is so stuffed with lint that I can't put a cable in>>98578853WHY DOESN'T MINE LOOK LIKE THAT and also your post is sideways>>98578854this is good to know, thanks. I bought some Vallejo wash after anons recommended it, but obviously that doesn't help my painting problems. luckily I still have 8 more for that world eaters pack, so maybe my next attempts won't be so fuckawful.
>>98578877its always vague to allow you to do whatever your interpretation is, but I assume its just anything funny or a funny reference to something. could be something you’d see in 40K, could be piccolo dick, could be a janny hitting decalfag with a hammer.
>>98578865Yeah, they’re doing good cause everyone hates them lol
>>98578654I read Day of Ascension by Tchaikovsky and I find it to be a very fun read. It also acts as an Admech book in addition to GSC and shows how they interact with each other.>>98578861It's just people getting rid of their Combat Patrol Magazine's GSC issues. Sadly they're not sold at where I live, I'd love me some more Aberrants. I already have two sprues so thinking of grabbing Goliath Gangers and kitbashing them. I lucked out a lot and got probably the best deal ever from a guy who was just dumping stuff at 45% of GW's price, still on sprue.
>>98576944Slightly less WIP girls and some even more WIP girls.
>>98578801Nah, I like my CSM smaller. Primaris being so fucking huge had a knock on effect on sprue space.
>>98578885>My phone works fine, it's just so filthy it's losing functionalityDefinite Nurgle energy
>>98578888Everyone always hates them
>>98578887Thanks anon
>>98578898>losing functionalityit functions perfectly, so long as I don't need to plug it into anything. but to your point, when I spilled that monster just now, I just pulled the sheet off and threw it in the corner. so you may be onto something.
>>98578903All the more reason for them to just do whatever makes them the most money
>>98578885>WHY DOESN'T MINE LOOK LIKE THAT and also your post is sidewaysMy models were fucking horrible when I started too. Now they're merely mid. It never gets easier but your end result does get a lot better.
>>98578885Are you getting your brush a little damp and using a small amount of somewhat thinned paint. People post their epic brush or sponge or industrial painter techniques but in the end just thinning your paints a little will prevent them from gooping up and basically obscuring details
>>98578912>It functions fine except for the thing it can no longer do
>>98578882>saw a kommandos box for 30 bucks in 2023>saw a space wolves dreadnaught for 35 bucks in 2023Used to be many good deals.
>>98578767>Space Marines are becoming Aspect Warriors>Orks are becoming Tactical MarinesStrange times indeed.
>>98578918thanks for the encouragement bro, this is my first attempt so I'm not trying to get too blackpilled>>98578919>Are you getting your brush a little damp and using a small amount of somewhat thinned paint.yes, until that wasn't working, then I started mixing in more paint and less thinner and they got really fucked up>>98578920yes, correct. it still functions fine. I just have to use a wireless charger.
I have so much shit now but the prices are always going up, it makes me feel like a chump not filling out my Corsairs, starting a tau auxiliaries army with votann and kroot and other such projects. But I'm always trying to be cautious with spending and still getting bodied by the rising cost of living.
>>98578927I didn't buy this because I already had one nor did I buy the armiger box for £40 posted because I am retarded
>>98578885Biggest skill issue is just time anon. Eventually you'll get used to the techniques that work for you and over time perfect them.
>>98578937I feel like this is 100% a patience issue, 'two thin coats' is a meme but with thin paint you can always add another thin coat, with thick paint it goops up and then you might have to strip with rubbing alcohol and start over.
>>98578929Does that mean Aspect Warriors will become Orks?
Post your:>army>disposition>last army you faced>who won>next time you'll play>current w/l record
When I thin my paint I get a big massive watery blob and put it on the model and wait for it to dry
>>98578972dont do that
>>98578969>tyranids>recon>haven't played 11th yet>haven't played 11th yet>haven't played 11th yet>haven't played 11th yet
>>98578941>>98578945Ok. I'll just have to practice more. I'll give it another go on another set of Khorne models tomorrow. Looking at a Vallejo paint set now, even though it's like 10x as expensive as the Wal-Mart paints I was using. Any brush recommendations? The Wal-Mart brushes I was using also aren't too friendly, very stiff and I already fucked one up.
>>98578937Anon, I know you're 'tarded, but do you genuinely not know what losing functionality means? If something could do a thing (like charge through a wire) and then cannot do a thing, it has lost functionality.
>>98578969>>current w/l recordWho has been playing for so short of time they can actually keep track of this?
>>98578990there are several apps to track your gamesor a literal notebook to track points and wins/losses
>>98578969Spess marinesWe haven't played with detachments yetOrksOrks because I wanted to try out my new tank against a lot of anti tankSaturday4-1 I think that's the only time I lost to him so far
>>98578969>guard>recon>Space Marines (Salamanders)>meFuck marinefags, all my homies hate marinefags>when my fall semester ends>It's been like 2 decades with 3 different armies, I can't remember
>>98578986It's a telephone. Its function is to make telephone calls. IDC about anything else.
>>98578983>Looking at a Vallejo paint set now,You don't need a set. You're painting Khorne berserkers, so you need a bright red and a gold. If you care about details get a silver and a brown too. That plus a shade paint (Nuln Oil, Agrax earthshade or equivalent) should be all you need to get these guys to a decent standard.
>>98578586>super short half-life but if thats the case what's stopping the material from just decaying inside the grenade before its usedBecause they are created on-site.Nitrogen 16 decays in a few seconds and emits gamma rays, and it is created from stable Oxygen.So, if you were to throw a canister if Oxygen, and dose it with radiation just before impact, you would release seven seconds of radioactive Nitrogen 16. Nitrogen cannot be stopped by a gas mask; you'd need a sealed circuit rebreather (and to engage said rebreather beforehand).Seven seconds later, you can move in and assault the irradiated target, after most of the nitrogen has decayed and dispersed into the atmosphere.
>It has been 1,863.6 Terran standard days since my deployment to the Bastior operational theater.>It has been 1,863.6 Terran standard days since I last saw my toes.
>>98579006Not caring just makes you more Nurgle.
>>98578983>tipperinosDo them slowly one at a time as a test model to reach the correct level of thinness is ideal. Probably wait for them to dry before going over again with another thin coat.
>>98579009well I'm in it for the long haul so if I'm going to buy some I'm buying at least a basic set. I'm taking it on faith that /40kg/ isn't misleading me.>>98579015I'm going to drop my balls in your mother's asshole and yell BOO-YA, how Nurgle is that?
>>98579039You bought the wrong chaos marines bro
>>98579032>tipperinos?
>>98579042which ones should I would have liked to have bought?
>>98579048Death guard lol
I LIKE ORKS XD
>>98579039>well I'm in it for the long haul so if I'm going to buy some I'm buying at least a basic set. I'm taking it on faith that /40kg/ isn't misleading me.I've been painting for over a decade and never bought a set. You don't need it. If you're just painting one army you only need a few paints. I just buy paints as necessary. You did say in a previous thread you're on a budget.>how Nurgle is that?Quite. I stand by my assessment.
>>98579044Well you see, the mohel comes in when the baby is 7 days old and....
>>98579057no you don’t
>>98579052world eaters can be sloppy too. if you imagine their armour is just covered in dried blood. It's the Tsons who feel excessively rigid, and the Emperor's Children who need perfection.
>>98578969>armyTau>dispositionPriority Assets>last army you facedTyranids>who wonThey did>next time you'll playhopefully saturday>current w/l recordin 11th, 3 wins, 3 losses, so .500 not bad.
>>98579080>Emperor's Children who need CUM*ftfy
I finally did it. I achieved the coveted "Trimmers high" where after doing so much Chaos Space Marine trim, you feel literally high. It is incredible. Is this what everyone has been talking about!?
>>98579052I hate their aesthetic thoeverbeit>>98579071Well I just bought a set so what's done is done. I'll give the Apple Barrel ones to my cousin for his kid to fuck around with. Happy early Christmas.>>98579072Duly noted.
>>98578969>armyVotann>dispositionPriority Assets>last army you facedtau>who wonme>next time you'll playprobably next sunday but I gotta work this weekend>current w/l recordaround 60%, having a hard time playing agaisnt take and hold lists, especially the terminator spam ones. Will try switching my land forts to conversion beams to see if it helps
In terms of Chaos Space Marine legions, which ones are buddy buddy and which ones not so much in regard to dispositions towards each other? Example, I imagine World Eaters don't get along with anyone and I imagine Iron Warriors probably don't either. Actually, the more I think about it, the more it seems like Chaos Space Marines just hate everyone. Are there any two legions who would greet each other with a hello and not a I FUCKING HATE YOU!!! Do any of them get a long at all?
>>98579090Be mebased my word bearers in black then silverThen paint in the panelsNever ever had the problem with Trim that everyone bitches about
>>98579120Maybe word bearers and tsons. Magnus and Lorgar got along sort of.
>>98579120No thats kind of the pointSometimes they could begrudgingly align with eachother is particular situations but for the most part none of them get along
>>98579120if they were down with the same chaos god they'd probably be cool with each other, otherwise no
ec and DG also have minimal trim.
>>98579138how does abbadon get them to all play along for his black crusades?
>>98579076YES I DO
>>98579142yeah but EC look like shit
>>98579147They hate eachother but they hate the imperium more
>>98579147Military coercionEssentially cooperate or we’ll fucking kill youHe has hyper powerful artifacts to back up the threatHe also bribes them, promises them plunder and lootAlso the only thing chaos hates more than everything that isnt the imperium, is the imperiumAnd he’s the main rep of chaos undividedHis goals further the goals of all of the chaos gods, he’s like their primary servant
Kroot genocide when, I want to run a visually cohesive force and the power allocation taken out of those units and given to the ones I want to run
>>98578969>armyDeath Guard>dispositionPriority Assets>last army you facedBlood Angels>who wonMe>next time you'll playProbably next Wednesday but nothing scheduled yet.>current w/l recordI've never kept track. My only loss in 11th is to Thousand Sons so I think that puts me at 9/1.
>>98579164You're entire army is about indians, cannibal freaks fit right in.
>>98579156nuh uh
Does anyone use or know someone who uses crucible units? I saw them while I was looking at newrecruit
>>98579120World Eaters actually got along the best with White Scars and Space Wolves since they are all barbarians.>current relationsthey are all enemys
>>98579172this post smells of wolf cum and waterslide decals
>>98579172I can't imagine being so pathetic that you're this attached to forcing a failed meme for 2+ years
I have some ideas for joke/funny if it wins>Firstborn space marine in yamcha pose in a crater>Three characters doing the pillar men poses>Brother captain chris vs Ork warboss pickleman
>>98579156what the fuck did you just say?
Kroot INDEPENDENCE>CODEX: RENEGADES AND MERCENARIES>rules for Kroot, Sssssslyth, tarellian enforcers and their barkghesi, Corsairs that aren't affiliated with red corsairs
>>98578759Many are saying this because it's true. The issue with the older Space Marines was proportion and posing, not the armor design. They had squat little men with giant heads that were about the same height as Guardsmen wearing armor that didn't seem like it would fit a muscular super soldier inside it. The armor design itself, especially the classic Mk.7 angry face, gothic arch-grilled helmet is such an iconic design that made 40k Space Marines instantly recognizable.All they had to do was update the models to have Primaris proportions and maybe add some dynamic poses. The Terminator and Land Speeder refreshes prove that this works. You could even keep the Cawl shit in if they're set on moving the story forward. Just make it so that he's streamlined the Astartes creation process and has secretly been making new Legions, complete with all the baggage that entails.
>>98579194I cant believe you're always around when someone calls tau out for what they are? is your izzat or whatever they call it at risk when they're revealed?
>>98579210>someoneIt's just youI'm sorry your meme never got any groundswell :(
>>98578282I couldve used that clamavus Mr sallyFAG
>>98579164Just don't run kroot then pussy.
>posters who admit they browse here every dayWhy, why do you do it?
>>98579264Conveniently specifically ignoring that I want them fucking dead and I want that power budget reallocated to ACTUAL T'au models
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/Ay9ngfFzssmini of the month is dead.
a War in Heaven era game would have been cooler than 30k
>>98579201>kroot independence>by being souped together with a dozen other xenos
>>98579280Thank fuck, I have no more reason to go to a gee dubs store ever again.
>>98579281FACT: It would sell like shit
>>98579281You talking about the real War in Heaven that includes Chaos daemons?
>>98579280JUST, last one i got was years ago
>>98579285YES because then I can make my autistic xeno mercenary army and maybe Hrud can be there too
>>98579209Primaris look cool tho
Who here GSC and who here JUST?
>>98579280I have the paint I bought 3 weeks agoThe guy didn't give me a model thoI will return the paint
>>98579264Like most autists he wants things he hates to go away instead of minding his own business.
>>9857928010 billion dollar company pls understand
>>98579315Racism is... le good?
>Got new wave of Combat Patrol magazines in the mail>For the first 6 armies they released it with the two armies in the first 18 issues and the Magazine extras in Issues 19/20, then repeat with two new armies>Get issues 75-78, expecting Field Ordinance Batteries and a Sentinel to wrap up the Guard patrol>77/78 are the GSC/Guard bonus units (Jackals and a Cadian HWT) instead, Sentinel is coming in 79/80
>>98579300Primaris look cooler with Mk6-8 helmets. The MkX helmet is unfortunately very generic and certainly no replacement.
>>98579201God I wish, it means they can start cranking out weirdo aliens and give the people who think there aren't enough unique Xenos their crumbs. Toss in Sslyth, Hrud, Vespids, Kroot, Barghesi, Zoats and Loxatl
>>98579280somebody on reddit said it it must be true!
>>98579323Meh to each their own
>>98579320>did you just do a heckin' racism? yuck!
>>98579280Damn, that sucksWhy even go to a GW branded store then?>prices are higher than most other stores (both online and brick-and-mortar 3rd party stores)>Citadel paints are not THAT good to justify the trip, and aren't even exclusive to GW stores anyway>have little to no inventory on-hand for anything but space marines or the newest release box>most don't even hold events to play one of their games anymoreAnyone who was going after the free minis isn't going to subscribe to WH+ for those models either.Are they replacing it with a "paint a free model in store with our help" program? That's just going to bring in the worst tourists and scare other people off because the models will only be the current "we need more sales" faction.
>>98579340>>have little to no inventory on-hand for anything but space marines or the newest release boxThis is a lie lmao
>>98579336I dont think the Emperor would be in favor of anti-semitism
>>98579320Yes.>>98579355The Emperor literally obliterated judaism along with the rest of the religions and superstitions.
Got an eye infection so my eyes are full of gunk. I don't think I'll make it on time for the collage this time boys.
>>98579355Why would you possibly think that?
>>98579366Exactly, his actions were part of a nondiscriminatory campaign against all religions>>98579377
what is the collage
>>98579340>Are they replacing it with a "paint a free model in store with our help" program? That's just going to bring in the worst tourists and scare other people off because the models will only be the current "we need more sales" faction.Not dark eldar thoguh
>>98579343I've been into 2 "Warhammer" stores in my time (within the past 5 years), so ymmv with the very low sample size, but my experience has been bad.>One had twice the inventory of AoS than they had for 40k entirely, and there were more HH boxes than there were for Sisters and Guard (my 2 main armies) combined.>The other has a "proper" distribution of inventory (in that it wasn't obvious which game was the majority), but the 40k section was ~1/3 Marines and ~10% the Armageddon box (it had come out like 2 days prior to me going). There was exactly 1 Leman Russ in the entire store (which I bought).I don't know what to tell you, maybe mine were just really shit.
why are chaos marines so onions and how can we make them not so?
>>98579395>non-discriminatory eradication of all jewsok
>>98579292The chaos war happened before the war in heaven anon. Necrons were explicitly still meat at that point.I think the enslaver invasion thst happened after the war in heaven is still canon tho.
>>98579407how the fuck are you getting raped by the filter in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty six?
>>98578969OrksWot's Dat?Dark AngelsOrks always winNo ideaNo ideaI stopped playing in 6th. I just collect now.
>>98579418wtf I didn't say onions I said onions??
>>98579422Plz be real.
>>98579412He eliminated all religions instead of targeting jews in a bigoted way so it wasnt anti semitismThe Emperor knew better than to discriminate against the jews
>>98579422
>>98579407Too many cucked fatherless BL authors projected "le evil white church patriarchy!11" on the Imperium and therefore the opposing "le safe edgy feminist wiccan satanisms!11" on Chaos and wrote them in such a way that the aura has all been tainted, the stink of failmales who want to get pegged by strap-ons can never be eradicated from Chaos forevermore. On top of that, troons always identify with Slaanesh and manchildren who never grew out of their high school edgelord black metal phase identify with Khorne and there's just basically no saving it.The people who are edgy but fun and chill about it play Dark Eldar instead.
>>98579429>he didn't discriminate against the jews, he just killed them allok
>>98579418nta but I type onions sometimes cuz its funny
>>98579433It's been a hot minute since I've seen a smug watame, absolute gold, saved for future use
>>98579164but you can?kroot blobs and strike teams are both similarfarstalkers and pathfinderssure kroot have rampagers for melee but tau have Farsight and the twin lance I just don't really see what you could need to warrant such a terrible opinion.
>>98579440Correct
>>98579440WTF I love the Emperor now??
NEW BREAD WHEN IM REVVING UP A SHITPOST
>>98579418I like setting off the filter intentionally desu. its kind of funny that way. I still don’t know what desu means desu
>>98579456GIVE ME A TQ
>>98579470"Do you support the fact that the Emperor canonically wiped out all jews from existence in the Warhammer 40,000 universe?"
>>98579433
>>98579477Questions imply a starting uncertainty, anon
>>98579449Armies are balanced around the options they have access to, so it on some levels expected that you use the models. I wish for that to not be true and the remaining sheets to be rebalanced to expect them to never existI do not feel this is that complicated
>>98579470>>98579477Put “non-discriminatorily” at the end
>>98579480Kek
New bread:>>98579490>>98579490>>98579490
Just starting Warhammer 40kI'm interested in the AdMech but I hear they aren't good. I'm particularly interested on focusing on dragoons with lances and kastelan robots since they are my favorite designs. Can they synergize well in battles? How would you recommend building around them?Tau and Astra Militarum strategies seem to readily make more sense with army strategies but they don't hit like AdMech does visually
>>98579412He targeted Judaism, not Jews. Ethnically Jewish people almost certainly still exist.
>>98579458>I still don’t know what desu means desuThen you need more desu until you understand it desu.
>>98579285Realistically, this is what would happenKroot would replace Tau role in a Xeno Merc codex and consist of most of an army. So people who wanted to play as a various xenos would be annoyed it's mostly Kroot, same way people wanting coalition aspect in Tau are annoyed it's mostly blueberries
>>98579156A bold claim for someone within dick sucking range.
>Is there a Guilliman Blue? No!>Is there a Lion El'Jonson Green? No!But you know who does have a color? Yeah, my boy Pedro—he’s got a color named after him: Kantor Blue and is the best color!
>>98577915Yes. Then you have a killteam and two anti tank units for 40k.Both are good enough on the tabletop. Like an opponent can't ignore the melee guys they can easily spike and kill a Dorn in a turn. And the shooting guys makes your opponent have to respect you during deployment.
I love Tau!
>>98576852Of boobs and butt
>>98578144I like the technique of painting the stripes white and going over them with contrast. AP makes a good shadowy yellow contrast that I think looks good. A lot of citadel ones are too lemon-y, but I've had luck toning them down with agraxTape if possible is okay, though I mostly just draw them now and have come to prefer that. If it's something tiny, like the hoses on a neophyte, I will not really do stripes exactly, more like dots. Nobody can ever tell
Are there any printable Mission cards?
