Not Custodes edition.Previous thread: >>98576645>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/1accdP>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: What's a cursed conversion you'd be interested in making for a unit you want?
I really like this. This is the captain and his three bros conversion fodder right here. Put them in a pimped out Kronos.
>>98585569i have an old Rhino, it's the red one i was given it by some greybeard from my lgs, I was wondering if I could use it in Horus Heresy, its somewhat smaller than the current one by an inch or two i thought about kitbashing it seeing how its missing several parts.
>>98585659you can use it as is
>>98585569Reavers with the top gun replaced by a Fellblade turret
>TQtaking a hellstrike missile I have from from a valkyrie kit (old valk kit? has it changed since 5th?) and attach it to a Baccus 6mm Scammel Transporter for the Iraquia IV Pattern Deathstrike missile TELhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z33ieoNPWc4
>TQI want to make a dark mech daemon engine based on this abomination.Potentially using parts from Domitars and those stupid necromunda spider mecha. I'd probably be using the excindio rules for it.Or alternatively sculpt it myself and make it knight sized
You reckon we’ll see some Christmas boxes this year for HH?
>>98585801No, they're dumping hours heresy and making a compendium for end of life play by next year.
I revived the Harpoon Missile for the Warmongers bag of meme missiles. It's basically just a slightly longer range single use Ursus Claw but you're a massive emperor class titan so you are much more likely to win the tug of war roll off than an adorable little Warhound.
Old sketch. Weird times. Change bad. Tzeentch bad? Sleep now
POST WIP DREADNOUGHTS!!!!!!>TQDefine "cursed conversion" plsThis is Lord Ancient Seargei Vhatralov, of the 132nd Night Lords mixed survivalists company, code named "The Silence". He WAS a Raptor veteran captain, who after getting interned into a dread, went into a deep depression (due to "losing his wings") and barely ever wanted to fight, until an aspiring (IE: fucking insane) Night Lords tech marine got ahold of the remains of a Blood Angels "Incaendius" model dreadnought chasis. Seeing that it was equipped with a rudimentary "jump pack", he asked himself "Why should our blood thirsty red brothers get to have all the fun....?"Once it was installed (along with the very nice set of brass chased artificer lightning claws), Lord-Brother Seargei became a MUCH happier soul (as well as a MUCH more efficient killer).....
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>>98585862You could do a tether rule where the target can't move away from the shooter until it performs a roll to disconnect itself.
>>98585940>went into a deep depression (due to "losing his wings") and barely ever wanted to fightSounds like some weakbellied shit not even worthy of being a space marine, let alone a dreadnought
>>98585956Dreads getting depressed is lore accurate faggot.
>>98585961name 1 fagtron.
>>98585961A space marine not wanting to fight is not. A space marine who can't fight isn't a space marine, and certainly wouldn't be getting any kind of special treatment or put in a dreadnought.
>>98585966 Lord Ancient Seargei Vhatralov, of the 132nd Night Lords
>>98585966>>98585969This shit is why I barely even participate in these threads. No fun allowed cunts. Go argue about whether or not femme custodes have their periods on the third or fourth week of the month, maybe thats more your speed.
>>98585569Back when they were an SM vehiclw I seriously thought about making a Crassus out of a fellblade, having the turret ring lead to the troop compartment and an exit on the back
>>98585975We don't want you here either nigger, go back to age of sigmar if you want superheroes who get depressed over a boo boo.
3000 pts or 2500? And why.New phone, gotta redownload the rules on this one. What's the threshold for getting extra Reaction points?
>>98585987Greater than 1500.2500 for no warlords.
>>98585971what a minute.....
>>985859871501+ points, and then 3501+. If you're going to pick, do 3k, if you want something smaller than 3k but not zone mortalis do 2k. 2.5k just isn't different enough from 3k.
Vanguard activates when you whack a unit off the objective regardless of if they can score or not, right? If I fight my buddy's custodes I think I'll play with the Reaper of Lives oath so I don't have to fuss over scoring and deny him ad much Vanguard as possible
>>98585966All dreadnoughts have depression - getting killed does that to you. Though marines channel their emotions different to humans: depression becomes suicidal rage, fear becomes righteous disgust, etc.Malcharion's depression manifests as resentment. He very much wishes he had been allowed to die and doesn't hide itChyron of the Lamenters believed he was the last of his chapter, and fights with suicidal fury because he no longer wishes to liveNeither does the Anchorite.You aren't completely wrong, though you are being 2/3rds of a moron.
>>98586014The only Dreadnought i know of was the Ancient of Rites, Emperor's Children Rylanor
Just when will they fix Macrotek transports??
>>98586042Fix implies there's a problem, and not just your wishful thinking.
>>98585966telemechrus goes on a half novel long journey to get therapy sessions from tetrarchs and older dreads
>>98584663>pedo artist
Which 3d modeler makes decent looking combi weapons?
Thanks to the journal leaker! Any more pics of the solar auxilia stuff? Interested in any new lore/cohorts pictured- looks like a new one on the opposite side of the oblitum cohort page posted
I'm at an impasse. I've got the original Age of Darkness box that I've been slowly building, but I'm not sure what to paint them as. Ideally I'd really like to be able to use the models in normal 40k as well, but my chapter in that game is Space Wolves, who just so happen to have a different paint scheme in HH.Is anyone going to get butthurt if I just paint my HH minis in the modern baby blue color scheme even if it's not 'canon'? Or should I stick to one of the traditional color schemes and give up on using the army in 40k games?
I wonder if now that the Razorback is dead in 40k, GW is going to retcon it for 30k, like they did with the Predator Annihilator (originally also a M36+ STC)They only need to reuse the tarantula turrets.
>>98586313Do you plan to use the beakies as intercessors or something?Baby blue SW is not kosher for the HH, and neither is the rest of their paint scheme.You could say that the HH minis are part of the returned lost 13th company. There's lore for that in 40k (see Ashes of Prospero)
>>98584157no psyop shall triumph over scanon's faithful
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>>98586317I said it the moment those turrets dropped, considering they made one of the Whirlwind variants by just slapping the Hyperios turret on top.
>less than an hour>sold out in every single webstoreDamn, are they really that popular or did GW just make a very small amount of boxes again?
>>98586480We don't know, but expect the shitposters to scream at each other about it for months to come.
>>98586480They made HH numbers but it's basically a 40k box
>>98586466>just slapping the Hyperios turret on topAs a rivet counter it makes me mad that GW failed to properly name their own designs, out of incompetence or bias.The one in your pic should be the base Deimos Whirlwind, as the launcher it's clearly the same as the 2nd ed. metal model.The new Whirlwind is an update of the Mars RT design. Cool, but an unnecesary release.The real Hyperios turret from FW looks completely different. Although not like a SAM launcher at all. The Orias looks like a Cold War era SAM, so it should have been the AA missile turret.
>>9858648030k or 40k, all Custodes players in the planet want that box, anon
>>98585569>TQI am making a boxnaught for Custodes and you cannot stop me
>>98586505Ackshually, it's closer to the Epic Whirlwind due to the pronounced glacis and enclosed turret.
>>98586532>potato, potatoeThe 2nd ed. Whirlwind could also be built with the single slit front armour.
I thought of another cursed conversionIt would be finding the tiniest 2mm scale shed building and truss it up to be a model of giant manufactorium on a (hololithic?) sand table that the battlegroup legate leading my LI World Eaters is studying before ordering the 7th Assault Cadre to drop pod straight on top of it then the Vth armoured company to roll over it (note: this has been his strategy for the last 72 engagements)
I wonder if somebody has ever done a SW HH force with only RT minis.
>>98586627I like the Russ fluff snippets from RT and Space Marine, the man had a moderate position on the Squat Question but specifically: >There shall come a time far from now when our chapter [LEGION] itself is dying, even as I now am dying and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children I shall listen for your call from whatever realms of death hold me, and come I shall no matter what laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the wolftime. They should have kept it be a mythological "dead king actually asleep in the mountain". Him dying surrounded by his sons and making an inviolable death oath to return from death is much cooler than Le Mans visiting the Eye of Terror for a packet of Newports and never returning.
>>98585569Anyone have the Titanicus books on file? This link is down.
>>98586044The problem is Macrotek-improved transports can only ever carry Scyllax, specifically. Needs more availability
People really wanted those dickbikes. Custard box sold out everywhere.Or the production run was very limited, who knows.
>>98586760I think it was former in that there was a lot of 40k interest in the box, but GW only produced the standard HH amount of boxes, it's notl ike the Space Marine FOMO boxes for HH sold out(Maximus Battle Group)
How come custoads don't have a combat force?
>>98586770Dunno, my LGS still has Saturnine and Maximus boxes. And it has a website that sells to the whole country, btw
>>98586801Saturnine isn't a fomo box, so I don't think that counts but the maximus box is meant to be one and isn't sold out anywhere.
>>98586785I assume the release is either too new or they'll just make a Combat Patrol that covers both games whenever their codex comes out for 40k 11th.
>>98586809Yeah, it's weird how the MkIV release box had so little marketing linked to it. It was almost like GW didn't care about it.Meanwhile the Custodes set is being shilled everywhere
>>98586822One is a cross HH/40k release, that probably has something to do with it
>>98586627that would be extremely limiting, no cata, no tarts, no legal loadout satties, lots of medics, techs and chaplains and of course captains but nothing heavier than autocannon preds and LR unless you're willing to heavily convert; getting enough models together even for a TSS or HSS would be nightmarish
>>98586818Hope not. I want the 40k models to stick around.
>>98586837The first Annihilator was a SW RT predator kitbash. So were the Whirldwind, Vindicator, Sabre, and the Spartan.Assault marines, laser destroyer rapiers, jetbikes and robots already existed. And Leman Russ himself, of course.
>>98586822The Telemon had its very own stratagem for 11th Edition revealed prior to release, which ensures the plastic version announced less than a month later is going to be very much relevant in 40k.>>98586881I like the Wardens. Wonder what the plan is for 40k's side specifically, since there's like two clashing styles of infantry going on.
>>98586689>They should have kept it be a mythological "dead king actually asleep in the mountain".They literally did that for the Lion. They didn't need to do it twice.
>>98586689They should have just had him dead and buried.
>>98586908Speaking of old Custodes minis, I still have 10 guardians and 10 SoS from 2 prospero boxes on sprues.What would you guys do with them?
>>98586889>robotsthey were much smaller, to the point you'd be legitimately accused of modeling for advantage
>>98586480a shame. I wanted to buy a box myself
>>98585940space marines do not get depression LOL
>>98586370no tourists no care
>>98587085Yes they do. They may still be functional killing machines, but they get PTSD and depression all the time in the lore.
>>98587006You can still use the superior golden men versions.
>>98586317>>98586466not sure there's a niche for non-assault vehicle Razorbacks or a good reason they'd have it but Rhinos don'tas a conveyance for small elite units they're never going to be up to much even if they get Predator levels of armour, you'd still be better off even in small games taking a LR and a squad twice the size unless the board is flooded with objectives to hold, and even then, if it's flooded just run your tacticals forward for the same cost, you'll get more VPif it had a special Reaction to defend units that disembarked that turn, or could participate in the volley attacks of nearby units, yes, otherwise no, it's just a Tarantula you have to find busy work for, in many ways worse than having a Rhino + a Tarantula + a small veteran squad even if it worked out cheaper>>98586757something wrong with your Tech-priests? there some reason you can't put a superunit of Better Veterans down with their 14/13/12 [9] 6++ and fuck shit up? you can't get a superunit of Malefic Betterans together, buff them with evil magic spells by splitting a few off into a casting blob, then lurch into combat with your WS5 S6 T6 daemonic engineers?
>>98587092Find me sources on space marine depression specifically then, the burden of proof is on you.
>>98587104what uh do you think is going on with curze and sangy bro
>>98587103Why 30k Razorbacks should have less carrying capacity?The tarantula turrets do not need an internal mechanism or ammo storage unlike the 40k versions.They could be just a expensive Rhino upgrade/variant.
>>98587104You haven't read anything about the HH or 40k marines, do you?lol
>>98587006slap saggy upgrades on them or just build them with poses you like.
>>98587099>>98587136what are you talking about?I mean, there's a way to add 10 custards and 10 SoS to another army? Would it even be useful?
>>98587145>there's a way to add 10 custards and 10 SoS to another army? Allied detachments>Would it even be useful?I mean, SoS still ruin the day of psykers, daemons, and word bearers, and custodes remain beatsticks that most units have to run in terror from. It's not the best thing you could ally, but it's not bad per se.
>>98587119>Why 30k Razorbacks should have less carrying capacity?The same reason those FW Razorbacks using Tarantula turrets had.
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>>98587145Thought you wanted to build custodes.
>>98587192That was because the 40k version was already like that before.There's no such mandatory constraint now, and it would make sense financially to sell Tarantula kits.They already did it for the Hyperios Whirldwind.>but anon, people would stop using naked Rhinos!Price them accordingly. GW already changed the basic LR in the game from the Explorator to the Carrier, and nobody complained (i hate it)
>>98587212These guys should have been in the Vengeful Spirit with Big E.Instead we got Dan Abnett's retarded fanfiction to sell his Inquisition books.
>>98587259I wonder if anyone sells those heads
>>98587259>Instead we got Dan Abnett's retarded fanfiction to sell his Inquisition booksThe real redpill is to realize Dan abnett is not only a shit writer but has done irreparable harm to the 40k universe
>>98587103Malefics? Nah. I want to hurl some Myrmidons at things. I'd wish to convey a full cargo of undead cyborg thralls to the front lines...but they don't seem to do anything besides being annoying to kill, eh.
First assault marine with printed old style MK4 pack. The connection isnt pretty around the straps, but if you have it connected super low you can sorta fill it out with the rounded bit. It looks fine from a distance I think.
>>98587243>That was because the 40k version was already like that before.Nothing stopped FW from making their own Razorback entry. They did with the multi-melta version and that too had reduced capacity all the while in 30k a Rhino could mount a multi-melta without losing capacity. Likewise FW could've let SA Russes keep their sponsons and GW could've kept 30k Predator sponsons optional. It's pointless to try and find any rhyme or reason.
>>98587259Those are marines.
>>98587320These nuMk4 assault marine bodies are utter shit.>the chesplate design doesn't make sense>it doesn't fit any other JP or backpack than the nuMk6 JP variant>the socket for the head is misplaced. Too close to the front edge of the collar, so no head actually fits it.I'm going to cut their legs for conversions and throw away the rest of the torso. It's worthless.At least it's a good source of melee arms and lances
>>98587329The MM razorback was just that, a 40k razorback variant> It's pointless to try and find any rhyme or reason.So 30k razorbacks using tarantula turrets could have the same capacity as Rhinos
>>98587348You can argue that FW HB and lascannon Razorbacks would have reduced capacity, since they were just alternative models for the codex units, but the multi-melta variant had its own rules in FW books, and used the MM turret from the MM tarantula. Yet FW saw no reason to make the rules any different. Why would GW?
>>98587332>not a single Eye of Horus>plenty of eagles>behing the Emperor, opposed to Horus and his SoHThose were BIg E's bodyguards. And who are those, hmm?Saggitarum Custodes were designed specifically to represent those guys.
>>98587365You're being obtuse on purpose, aren't you? None of the FW Razorbacks should have reduced capacity. Just like a combi weapon firing more than once should depend on its exact design.
>>98587384>shouldSure, but that does not mean GW's gonna honor some "it's just logical" argument.
>>98587366>custodes are just SoH veterans with eaglesYou even listening to yourself? What Sagittarum are designed to represent are pic related, not those marines.
>>98587393let's go back to the start:Would a 5-6 man Razorback be usable in the HH?It could still transport a good range of shooty PA marines supported by the turret
>>98587406Did you ever looked at the Adrian Smith illustration? They're pretty much the same but painted silver.Who do though they were? SoH with aquilas, really?
>>98587429I'm not gonna keep arguing with a blind retard. You believe whatever you want despite all the evidence to the contrary.
>>98587411>Would a 5-6 man Razorback be usable in the HH?Depending on the cost? Sure. 5 man vet squads/tss exist.
>>98587440What evidence, nigger? you're just schizoposting Visions art without rhyme or reason like you always do.The guys next to BIg E in the Adrian Smith arent aren't SoH, or IF, or BA. So they cannot be anything but Custodes. And Saggitarum are the only ones which fit them. QED
>>98587411probably if you could combat squad tacticals and if they were extremely cheapotherwise the profiles on lascannons, assault cannons, heavy bolters or lasplas aren't very attractive
>>98586338>>98586340BASED BASED BASED
>>98587411Shooty? I'd use a 5-man Razorback super comfortably with a Veteran squad.It feels wrong to give a whole ass Rhino to a 5 man squad. Hence why I support those proposals for a Predator with a transport capacity that anons say it was the early pseudoRazorback or something
>daemon journal>still no nullificatorsI'm gonna visit nottingham
>>98587693Unfortunately we can't build Predators without sponsons anymore, since the kit doesn't allow it. 40k Predator can always just have Rhino doors, but 30k only comes with the sponson mount sides with no options unless you mix it with another kit, like Vindicator or Rhino (leaving you with another tank with mandatory sponsons now).
>>98587708See? What did I tell you guys of Mandatory Optimization. And the fluff says it right there, but oh well, /Your dudes/ could simply be non-standard
>>98587700Only getting those whenever all the monogod demons get their own list, and demons of ruinstorm come in plastic
>>98587384They should tho. You still have to have the internal bearings and motors for the turret mechanism that would normally be in the base of the Tarantula. That means reducing the headroom internally to around the top of the side door, at least in that circular area beneath the rotation ring. Then you want stabilisation - at the bare minimum struts connecting that ring to the side walls internally. Unlike a Tarantula it isn't expected to sit somewhere expendably and be forgotten when it runs dry, so you have spare capacity for ammo. Then you have a fridge-sized machine that stops the ai of the otherwise unmodified Tarantula from taking over the tank and driving away to set up Tarantulatown. But the main thing is that lower headroom in that position means entering and leaving becomes more difficult for fully armoured marines because it effectively reduces all doors. For the same reason you might get twenty terminators into a Land Raider but you don't try - the space is there, but it's not ergonomically useful. Besides which if you want to run a full squad in one you'd just take Blackshields roboboys. 9/10 ain't bad.
Finally got to use those twin LC I had from the nemesis claw kit. Originally meant to give it to a character, but just never found the opportunity.
>>98587512>schizoposting Visions artThis happens every time there's an armour mark argument Visions isn't an Osprey Men-At-Arms book for the heresy. They included all kinds of disparate heresy related art. On that note that Vengeful Spirit artwork is from the 4th edition rulebook so finding it's description of the confrontation between Emps and Horus is your best bet for figuring out who's repping with the emperor (I can't check for you I don't have my copy at hand)Trying to link them with the custodes model line or modern heresy marine colours is a hiding to nothing imo. They could be Custodes, or stylised depictions of marines or Salamander still depicted as black (armoured) or something else. Remember that until a year before this was drawn Heresy Thousand Sons still fought under their Wumbo insignia
>>98587512>The guys next to BIg E in the Adrian Smith arent aren't SoH, or IF, or BA.Theyre clearly not custodes either, so I guess by process of elimination they must be SA, because thats how this logic works right?Theyre space marines dressed like heresy designs for space marines, the size of space marines, and armed like space marines. Maybe they were intended to be some sort of loyalist SOH remnant, maybe they were intended to be the emperors strike team wearing bespoke armor, who the fuck knows.
>>98587840Do we even know if the piece depicting Horus and Emperor is lore accurate, rather than a stylized visualization of the event? God knows we have such things in real life too.
>>98587904>rather than a stylized visualization of the event?Every single piece of art in all of 40k and 30k is a stylization according to Blanche.
>>98587931Blanche also said the classic image of the Emperor on his Throne is a fake shown to pilgrims, but nobody is permitted to see it as no living person is permitted beyond the Eternity Gate.
>>98587952The real Emperor is behind the Eternity Gate. The fake Emperor shown to pilgrims is in some side room that the pilgrims are taken to by a back way or something so they don't know they're not entering the actual throne room. The palace is a twisting labyrinth the size of a mountain range and no one can tell.
>>98587839they remind me of the skaven eshin claws, very dope
>>98587700It's so odd since they pushed so much disintegrator crap this edition
>>98587332are you fucking retarded, look again
>>98587123It's not my job to post proof for others arguments my guy. How was Hibou Khan depressed? >>98587109Curze was just insane, can you elaborate why Sanguinius was depressed?>>98587205Just a lil misfortune.
Guh. Only managed to get one custodes support box 20% off. But still managed to get 6. Get fucked slowpokes!Still need another 3 or 4 telemons to max out the slots.
>>98588003Theyre the ones from the nemesis claw kit.
>>98586131redwarden has very nice options
Is there any way to make playing against Custodies fun? Nobody at my store wants to play against my army anymore even though I don’t win. How can I make it so Marine/Aux players can have fun vs my army?
>>98588104Currently? No. In the future? Maybe, using the new SA allies.
>>98586338>>98586340>psychic Command Dracosan is inOh yeah. It's all coming together.
>>98588126>wp 12 by defaultlolActually, does it work? Does the command dracosan have the command trait?
>>98588021I am the only one who's looking. Can any of you point out what's uniquely Custodes about them?
>>98588104>Nobody at my store wants to play against my army anymore even though I don’t winWell what's your army like?
>>98588104The issue with custodes is that they require very specific units in large numbers to really "play against" because theyre essentially a monolist in terms of "things you have to deal with". Theyre all melee elites, theyre all super tough t5 2+ armor EW(1) etc. This is probably what people dont find fun, that theyre not so much "playing a game" as "building against custodes", because a good 90% of the marine roster may as well not exist in the matchup because it serves no purpose and is never taken. it doesent matter that you dont win, the gameplay just isnt very interesting or fun because the goal is to avoid engaging with your faction and simply beat you on pts/shoot you with melta till you die. The solution is allies. Either sisters or the new cohorts of SA. They give you a wider armor which is proably overall stronger, but one that gives the opponent more things to play against, so they dont constantly feel "oh most of my list/collection is useless".
>>98588104Damn, if only custodes had a sister army that wasn't >named hq>generic hq>generic unit>apc
>>98588213Case in point. I have a pretty cool (imo) unit of tactical veterans with volkite chargers. I am never taking it vs custodes. I am currently building some assault marines. I am never taking them vs custodes. I like destroyers, I am never taking them vs custodes. I like to run a terror squad, I am never taking it vs custodes. I might want to run bikes (the normal sort), but not vs custodes.I might want to run contekar, but never vs custodes. Vs custodes I am taking cheap scoring units which will simply walk off the objective when custodes get close, and lots of AP2 shooting, maybe some particularly good status weapons. Thats it. There is nothing else I can reasonably do into that army by its very nature. This is not very fun. This is the case because EVERYTHING in the custodes list is a hyper efficient elite melee unit that is designed to fight (and requires to be fought) elite melee units from the marine list (and even then custodes are often favored so its not really a path you should be pursuing). I think on some level custodes are sort of poorly designed/run into the same issues as WoC in fantasy (in the editions where theyre good) but even more extreme. Theyre so good at what they do that theres no point trying to play their game because you wont win or come close. So you simply have to avoid having them do their thing, which isnt fun for you most of the time (evasive play is often based around denial of action/deterministic outcomes) and isnt fun for your opponent (since your entire gameplan is about making sure they dont get to do what their army is supposed to do
>>98588213>Theyre all melee elites, theyre all super tough t5 2+ armor EW(1) etc.I can only think of disintegrator spam (yuck), or the obvious Double Plasma Dread. Hey too bad plasma is S6 in safe mode lol haha.What else is good for shooting at them?
>>98588256And to continue with the comparison because while no one here cares, I do think its very apt. In 8th edition fantasy the basic chaos warrior was very analogous to the custodian guard, they were a core unit for the army, very expensive, and just about the most elite and all round powerful melee infantry in the game. This was very cool and very thematic for what chaos warriors are. It also kind of sucked balance wise in some ways. Because chaos warriors were so powerful, because they would turn any other infantry in the game with the exception of some elf units (swordsmasters) or full on magic buffed deathstars, into puree in a single round of combat, people just wouldnt bother bringing those units. If you knew you were playing vs WoC you brought lots of cheap expendables and a bunch of AP shooting, maybe some evasive cav. Because there was no point trying to "play their game". You wouldnt fight their chaos lord or demon prince in combat because they would win, so you didnt bring cool characters, so there was no interesting character combat or memorable duels, you simply brought chumps to support your army and be cheap so it didnt matter when they died. In other words: Because it wasnt worth playing the chaos warriors game, neither player got to really "play the game" as much. Which kinda blew. >>98588269Disintigrator spam is actually terrible into custodes because its D2 which gets halved to D1, you want either naturally D1 plasma (and drown them in saves) or D3+ (melta and laser destroyers). >safe modeWho cares, plasma is great into custodes, they have terrible ward saves. Besides, youre both fishing for breaches and firing overload every time anyways. Plasma, seekers, rapiers, melta.
>>98588226Anon thats already enough to give custodes something less elite and more fragile, which in turn gives more units in the other guys roster a thing to do.
>>98588256>Case in point. I have a pretty cool (imo) unit of tactical veterans with volkite chargers. I am never taking it vs custodes.>I like destroyers, I am never taking them vs custodes.Aren't these the units to use against them, if at all? Heavily emphasizing the "if at all" bit. Spammable AP2 (disintegrators), spammable S5 (volkite). Yeah ik there's no spammable S5 AP2...but there shouldn't be or else everyone would suffer lol.Custodians aren't immune to rad phage, I think? I was hoping you could take specifically those squads, anon. Sad if true.
>>98588301Oh yeah I wasn't looking for D2, just a means to bypass their 2+ save, their biggest protection.
>>98588324Talons need more units that aren't custodes, a single squad of sisters with 4 weapon options isn't it. GW shouldn't have removed their units in 3.0 and separated them in 2.0, this joins the list of somewhat working things that have been "fixed" by GW into being broken.
>>98588344The destroyers and vets both have volkite, which is better into softer targets than "terminator equivalent". Theyre not immune to phage, but the rad missiles or grenades are Ap3. The disintigrators veterans get are also Ap3, not Ap2. For that you need iirc command squad, and even then the S5 Ap2 1 shot guns are less than idea, because they overload and because theyre D2, which halves into custodes. Id rather take plasma.
I don't care for it
>>98588374What if you used the 40k turret ring? That should fit the top hatch hole, no?
I know >magnetize but which gun do you think looks the nicest, if it were a display model?Can simply be for lore reasons as well.
The 40k land raider fucks.The HH Land raider looks like a nerd. A nerd thats wearing suspenders that are giving his tighty whiteys a wedgie, which will soon catch the eye of sexual predators. The HH land raider sucks.
>>98588660All land raiders look like ass and are gay.
i may have played like a mong from the beginning : when you split fire with defensive weapons the battle ones snap shot, right ?i thought it was dumb and played it like in 2ed
>>98588660>and then I woke up
>>98588700You ain't no 40kigger of mine.
>>98588478I did do that before
>>98588537I think the accelerator cannon or whatever it's called is the most elegant looking but they're all cool
>>98588771That looks better, but that Rhino top plate is backwards, the ring should be in the center.Adding cupola weapons does not work, it very obviously clash with the turret's line of fire
>>98588784>the ring should be in the center.
Realizing my list is kinda soulless. I wrote it up based on my collection and I'm honestly not sure what my gameplan should even be.Primary DetachmentWarsmith, Centurion, Siege Breaker1x Despoiler, 1x Tactical2x RhinosSupport Detachment1x Heavy Support with Autocannons (10 man)1x Iron Havocs with Missile Launchers (5 man)Armored Support Detachment2x Scorpius Storm Battery Detachment2x Quad Mortars2x VindicatorsHammer of Olympia Detachment1x Breachers (10 man)1x Tyrant Siege Terminators (10 man)1x Land Raider Carrier1x Tarantula Battery (2 heavy bolter turrets)Any suggestions on making this be more coherent of an army would be appreciated.
>>98588784>but that Rhino top plate is backwards, the ring should be in the center.That's never been the case with Razorbacks, what
>>98588537>>98588782Looks like they're complete weapons without mutual parts, so I can harvest a few and put on my Saturnines.
>>98588813The machine spirit does not approve of this plan.
>>98588803>>98588809I know what the instructions say, but it has always looked wrong and inbalanced to me.It makes more sense for it to be centered, just like in the Predator.That way the Turret inner ammo supply it's not in the way of the back door.
>>98588861GOD I LOVE THE RIKARIUS
>kits for every other faction gets replaced and few people care>ancient marine tanks get removed to make way for primaris and almost the entire community sees it as a cataclysmic eventHurm.
>>98588909dunno, ask /40kg/
>>98588909This will just cause further influx of 40k fans into HH, btw.
>>98588937And I will teach them ALL how to play Titanicus.
>>98588301I never understood the attraction of Skaven, especially skavenslave blobs of what looked like hundreds of 1 point rats, unless it was literally just about tarpitting and they had some kind of magic morale booster
>>98588861>just like in the Predator.Where's your Machine God now?>That way the Turret inner ammo supply it's not in the way of the back door.Considering that's a tarantula turret that's designed to go on a flat mount, there shouldn't be much in the way of stuff going on the inside of the tank. The GW (and tank) turrets are another thing, of course.
>>98588129nope
>>98588909No other factions get old units completely squatted and replaced by utterly new ones the way Marines do with Primaris
>>98588995For better or worse, my friend.
>>98588768No, im white. You simply like land raiders because theyre FAT and black men are into that sort of thing.
>>98588958Skaven have/had a lot of very mechanically unique tools which have a lot of variance and agency, their artillery and special weapons for example often ended up being the game deciders one way or the other. Skavenslaves arent glamorous, but they basically work like zombies, a big brick of (in 8e) basically unbreakable dudes you put between your warp lightning cannon and whatever seeks to concave its anus. So yes, it was literally just tarpitting. Melee skaven wasnt really ever much of a thing, their best melee units (stormvermin) werent very good and rat ogres were also kinda mediocre
>>98589031Arkhan like big tonks and he cannot lie.
>New custodes box sold out everywherePraying so hard this just means GW a very small amount of them, and not that HH is about to be flooded by even more 40k refugees....
>>98589240NGL the new book might get me to try 3.0 instead of 40k because of the demon support. I kinda skimmed it, but the new rules dont apply just for thousand sons right?
>>98589270Most aren't TS only, any traitors can ally with tzeentch daemons. TS just get a special detachment that makes it more easy to bring all kinds of tzeentch daemons.
>>98589284>TS just get a special detachment that makes it more easy to bring all kinds of tzeentch daemons.Any traitors with an esoterist iiirc. The prosperine sorcerer just also unlocks it.
>>98589240look, more players means faster schedule transiting from resin, and it also might mean 40k returns to a more 30k like ruleset when 12E drops in november
>>98589313The 40k infernal master is just the perfect model for this
>>98589340NOO, IT IS NOT CANON! GTFO /40kg/!
>>98589340If youre Tsons I guess, sure.
>>98589431isn't that just a ornate mk4 dude. could fit in to any "esotheric" position in any legion.
>>98589445come on, that mini is 100% TS coded
>>98589340Looks like mkIV artificer armor to me. Gonna need to recolor it to heresy colors, but the model itself doesn’t look too egregious aside from the obvious horns.
>>98589462Whoever designed it knew to not go too far on the mutations and the trim.It's perfect for a 30k corrupted TS esoterist
>>98589445Nah, that’s TS coded iconography. Scarabs all around, pyramid and corvidae symbols on his legs, probably more on the backpack.
>>98589445Not really, its aesthetic flourishes are specifically TS coded.
>>98589445Too many scarabs and tzeentch trinkets to be anything else than TS.
>>98589462the kit allows to easily remove or change whatever elements one doesn't like
>>98589462>heresy colors
>>98589445you could probably convert it into a legion agnostic esoterist without too much trouble, but out of the box, that is an extremely thousand sons model
>>98589514>the Visions schizo again
>>98589554Next you are going to say Visions isn't cannon.
>>98589561That illustration hasn't been canon in a long time
>>98589571
>>98589571Everything in Visions is canon, everything that contradicts it from later is Nulore Ignore
>>98589561visions has always been more evocative of the vibe of heresy than a canonical depiction of anything specific
HH isn't much different from 40k. Anything they add is inevitably immaterial. Have fun building and painting your specialized squads only to see them get tossed out in a couple years.There's really nothing as reliable as your squad of guys with bolters.
>>98589630Show the squads that were tossed out.
>>98589584>>98589600Shut up, schizo. You don't even have the book
>>98589633WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY BLACKSHIELD MARAUDERS
played a 2v2 ZM game for 1.0 with enemies unknown (blips)>AL + WB vs Sallies + NL >"loyalists" have to clear enemies off the ship while traitors have to hold units in the cargo bay>AL have multiple dreadnoughts but each of them get a melta bomb strapped to their sarcophagi and get blown to smithereens by tactical sergeants
I want to run some Siege Tartaros but GW only putting one autocannon per box is insane.
>>98589709There are two autocannons, heavy flamers and plasma blasters per tartaros box.
>>98589715Oh, that's a little better.Still expensive to buy directly but not as bad as I was thinking.
>>98589707>NL vets blow open a door with meltas and allow a squad of firedrakes to barrel down on a horde of cultists
>>98589554You know, you can just ask people to post more, rather than pretending you don't like it.
>>98589729>on the opposite side of the ship, a praetor faces off against another throng of cultists >they bring him down under a sea of knives
>>98589735>the NL praetor and his retinue flank the cargo bay, engaging the AL praetor and his tactical squad who are cut down to the man
>>98589735L bozo.
>>98589739>surrounded by gal vorbak, vets, cultists and more AL, the praetor and his command squad somehow survive multiple turns of combat, forcing the vets and tacticals to break and run all the while whittling down the possessed and wiping out the mortalsat the end of the game, loyalists won by killing more units than the traitors had left defending the cargo bay
>>98589719Yea, its a fairly pricy unit, especially if you want to run it without chainfists. But the tartaros box is very reasonable, and given it was never "planned" it feels okay. Its a thing to build when you have a bits box.
The real OGs know what colour to paint their TS.
>>98589755>the praetor and his command squad somehow survive multiple turns of combat, forcing the vets and tacticals to break and run all the while whittling down the possessed and wiping out the mortalsfukken based
>>98589771ave dominus nox my niggathey didn't fail a single armor save and tanked multiple S10 power fists and rends with their combat shieldsthe praetor died in the last turn after getting too cocky and issuing a challenge to the gal vorbak that he probably shouldn't have
>>98589795Glorious
>>98589764This marine has sold his soul to Babidi!
does anyone have this mysterious pdf?
>>98589755As badass (and good looking) as your command squad are, those are some sick GVB. Im guessing theyre prints, but where from?
>>98590200NTA, but they look like damsa gal vorbak with bits kitbashed from 40k possessed, I've got 20 of em.
>>98590200unsure, and I suspect my friend doesn't know either since he commissioned the army in its entirety from ukraine
>>98590241i admire your enthusiasm man but i would really get like a smaller size brush if you're gonna try and do some text freehand next time, that looks pretty rough. good conversions though
>>98589755the command squad looks killervery fucking cool anon
FUCK VULKAN!>Legion takes extraordinary losses and are generally low performers, but this time they're happy and caring for some reason. Cool. You still suck. Really expensive guardsmen. >Care for Le-Civillians, but not your comrades enough to fight optimally. They weren't human enough. Sorry bro I can't follow a self preservation strategy I need to get us all killed for greg from accounting. >Constantly finger wagging and lecturing other primarchs and legions who were better than his.>Has the ability to make cool mastercrafted tech, too stupid to use it even if his brother's life is on the line.>We call Deamon primarchs jobbers because they are immortal and die alot, but vulkan dies like 20 times to magnus, more times to curze (for fun), and is so unimportant he dies off screen via orbital bombardment.>Legion is the tau of space marines. Very nice on the outside, but a dumb premise when putting it in the grimdark setting or think about the practicality of it.>Makes a bomb on his dad's chair. Makes lots of cool master crafted armors and weapons. STILL NOT SMART ENOUGH TO PERSERVE HIS FUCKING MEN!>The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weakOriginal quote from saint paul on the state of the moral mans lifelong battle against his base desires. Very good. Holy even. >the flesh is weak (but the machine is strong)Fun little twist on the first phrase. Very 80's edge to easily summarize the Iron hand's ideology and why they like bionics so much>FlEsH iS wEaK, bUt DeEdS eNdUrE!MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE! A DUMBASS QUOTE FROM A DUMBASS REDDIT ATHIEST WRITER USING THE MOUTHPIECE OF A DUMBASS PRIMARCH! Ferrus's deeds didn't endure in or out of universe. He's remembered as a laughing stock at worst and a footnote at best. His deeds did not endure, countless battles in 40k (and real life) are lost to history, the same with ancient empires no matter what they do. If they survive they're always subject to lies and revisions by modern people.
>>98590185I looked at my Titanicussy/Epic collection for you incase I could hook you up but I don't have it. I my modern AT stuff is a bit thin aside from the rulebook I just have some campaign books, WD articles and a printer template for promotional card standeees for some reasonSorry ladI can hook you up with the Y2k AT2 rules for the Subjugator scout titan or the Epic 40,000 rules for giving Warlords their own much shittier version of the Lysander (its literally just some Secutarii in a landspeeder using the vox to call in firing solutions god I love Gav Thorpe)
>>98590610it's alright. I was just interested in seeing where wiki and lexicanum got the info on warlords wielding giant las cutters. some lad even made a 3D model with 3 "spikes" rather than 2, so that's neat.
>>98589739...you attached a Termie Praetor to a tactical squad?
>>98590454i keep forgetting about Ferrus manus desu, i keep forgetting Iron Hands are a thing, i mean srsly who calls themselves Iron Hands when we already have some badass guys called Iron Warriors desu what's Iron Hands good at? cutting off their body parts and getting robot parts graphed on? oh wow soo unique. more like retard hands.
>>98589240Why all of you are do seperate and scared about the influx of 40k refugees? HH is already transformer into 40k. The rules, 3 years cycle, shitty boxes, less options, death of customization, death of legion specific stuff, fluff retcons, extra shitty books releases.The enshittification is clear as the water on a high mountain lake in Switzerlands Alps in late spring.Do not be afraid anymore anons, the game is already fucked up beyound repair. Can't wait to see what wonderful goodness will 4th ed bring to us.
>>98589801No, he should have ran away, hide in the dark and strike later at their backs. There is no glory upoj the ranks of the Night Lords.
>>98590913hubris belongs on the same coin as cowardice
>>98590783>iron warriors>badassYe bro, the space marines that are known for crippling losses and trench warfare are so badass...
>>98590977They are not cowards, they are dishonorable and love to have the stakes overwhelmingly on their side.
Looking to start a new army for 2.0 but not sure what legion. Should it be thousand sons, iron hands or dark angels and what should I include in the list? I think regardless of legion I want to include a forgelord and a squad of thallax but outside of that I'm not sure.
>>98591005that is the opposite of bravery
>>98591069the word you're looking for is practical
>>98590913Hiding and striking the unwary is fine. But brutal violence is also in the Night Lord's arsenal.
>>98591098they really are the mobster legion
>>98591044Shattered Legions with all 3
>>98591044Do TS with their whole spooky Castellax thing
>>98591211I'm just not a big fan of castellax in general. >>98591200I need to check the shattered legion rules again
>>98591211yes.
Speaking of TS, are they bullshit this ed?
>>98589630>Have fun building and painting your specialized squads only to see them get tossed out in a couple years.Jokes on you; I'm building units that have never had rules. Can't get nerfed if you don't buy the books.
>>98591262They play their own game with psychic powers, which this time are kind of a powerful. Master duelists too.
>>98591044are these your models?
>>98590241wait are some of these prints?
>>98589554Visions is pure sex simple as.
>>98591307Visions is great, I love my copy.Posting random images from Visions without understanding their context or place on the history of the HH setting is retarded.
>>98588660The 40k one is bigger, so better.
>>98591321Yeah, it's weird how the Spartan is barely bigger than the Phobos LR.The Carrier should have got the Armoured Proteus sides to look more bulky
>>98589318>also might mean 40k returns to a more 30k like ruleset when 12E drops in novemberYou act as if the opposite won't be true and 30k will become even more like 40k to accommodate all these newbies.
>>98591383>become even more like 40kDefine that in terms of units, gameplay and rules. Not vagueposting and social media feels
>>98591397Not the anon. But stuff like w40k scoring style (not end of the game, but turn by turn), No model, no rules, legended stuff being gone after an edition of being in legends. Push to play a jack of all trade aka buy the whole collection fo sold models, instead of cool theme specific armies. But that is me anwsering the question for the other anon. He may, and probably, has other views on it.
>>98591435The new scoring system is gamey, but it prevents players castling up and static shooting lines. IMO it should be linked to each mission.The other stuff you mention doesn't really apply to HH:AoD 3.0, at least yet. Maybe the consuls with forced loadlouts, though
>>98591440I am not a game designer, nor do I have an idea of how a perfect scoring system would look like. But if you ask me, if casteling is worse, then line spam, I think I would say that both are very bad. And of the two I dislike the line stuff more. Especialy in how bad venguard is (outside of ZM, where venguard is crazy) and how crippled some units are for not having line. Again I am not a designer, I don't know how to design games, but I think that the idea of "you have to take line packge" or you will lose is not good. I also don't like the gamines, but that is a personal taste thing. There are a ton of games more gamey then HH 3.0 and people like it.
>>98591336Indeed.
>>98591383you act as if you didn't understand the context of them abandoning 40k for 30k because they prefer the ruleset in this hypothetical scenario
>>98591279nice Dakkarig
>>98590185literally follow the linkflorchonk won't let me upload the pdf for some reason but it's still there; if the link won't take you dreckly via click, ctrl+c/ctrl+v in a new tab
>>98589561Nta but it hasn't been for more than a decade.
>>98591279Glad I'm not the only one pilfering units from there.
Do any recasters have lucius warlord heads? Can't find it from any of my usual guys
>>98585940I happen to be working on one atm
>Big steppy
>>98591714Big steppy for a big boi
>>98591665>princeps when the attack is called off
>>98591440>>98591456"Line spam" isnt just not an issue, its downright desirable. You WANT people to have to (or feel like they should) bring lots of basic troops and be rewarded for it, because the basic troops are the most interactable units in the game, everything can go into them and do its thing with very few exceptions (laser vindicators). If every SA and Marine player were compelled at gunpoint to bring 10 squads of line infantry every game the state of the game would improve. The current issue is simply "speed", and how scoring is too quick for the opponent to do anything about, which can lead to deterministic lockouts very quickly. The solution is simply moving the victory phase from end of turn to start of turn. You score at the start (after nuncio voxes), boom. Line is still important, but theres now more of a dynamic between taking ground and actually holding it, and moving off objectives to deny vanguard is now a bigger consideration. It would add tactical depth, help mitigate the early shutouts and also help bring the numerical effectiveness of line down a little. Also, on the topic of vanguard. I think it has a "marketing issue". Vanguard is a crazy strong rule and a massive benefit, its just not line or line equivalent or line replacement in a true sense. It is an alternative scoring method for units that want to be aggressive, this doesent mean those aggressive units (which tend to be powerful elites) should now be "as good at getting points" as tactical marines, that would be terrible design and undermine the very point of having line and basic scoring troops. Vanguard is great, its "free points" under the right conditions, and requires your opponent to play carefully to deny them. Its issue is simply that the counterplay is a bit too "free" (reactions still matter obviously, but it lacks the "tactical element" of losing an objective, because you dont care who holds it past your turn)
>>98589514>>98589462Wasn't there a lore reason why the TS turned blue during the heresy ? By tzeentch or something
>>98591761>An actually balanced and thought out take on Line and VanguardYou must be lost, we only do unhinged rants here good sir.
which book killed off jenny K again?
>>98591806Saturnine
>>98591806she cute
>>98591807alright i'm gonna ask that fuck dan abnett why he did her so dirty for marine wank
>>98591818
>>98591818As >>98591826 shows, it was far from marine wank.In the novels SoS are able to go 1:1 against marines with their null powers. They can become psychologically invisible to anyone near them.The fact that Khorne had to sent his own personal pet to kill her by accident says it all.
>>98591838yeah but its marinewank"yeah dood he ACCIDENTALLY kills one of the best duellists in the imperium"
>>98591842In that scene she killed 6 marines (including a Centuriion) before being killed by Kharn, the fucking WE first captain, Khorne's pet, and top 5 among Astartes fightersThat's not marine wank.
>>98591856if it was a duel, alright finebut it wasnt, it was a cheap kill to give to kharn
>>98591861Anon, Kharn blacks out everytime he falls to the Nails. That wasn't an accident
>>98591869think of it this waykharn cannot percieve her, he does not know she is there, he knows "something" is there but not what it is, this is what is written in the bookshe could very easily sneak up behind him and one shot himbut kharn cant really "die", we know he exists later onso it feels like its being written into a corner of "well shit this character would easily ve abke to sneak up on the other one and kill them, so uhhh....he just kills her accidentally so that doesnt happen!"fuck it i'm just gonna ask dan why
>>98585975Same, i suspect most of the guys who constantly complain and shut down any kind of attempt at creativity here are just the usual spiteful spergy "loremasters" who never actually participate in the hobby beyond demeaning and complaining about others (who do actually contribute) who don't live up to their arbitrary standards.I don't even know why i come back to this place, all the good posters left after 3.0 dropped anyways.It's a shame this game seems to attract the most unlikable loser neckbeards who would feel more at home "correcting" people on reddit while tipping their fedoras.
>>98591879Anon, Kharn dies a couple times and comes back again already during the Heresy.He's on that scene because he's one of the very few that could slay her.
>>98591818It was perfectly portrayed. Women are beneath any man's notice, inconsequential to them in matters of war.
>>98591887hence the "die"
>>98591826Based.Fuck bitches.
>>98591885"attempt at creativity"? lmao. You're lazy, cheap, and you don't do your homework. And you seethe because people calls out your shitty ideas or lack of them.Anons here are under no obligation to entertain or coddle your bullshit. Go cry to the bathroom. This is not a safe space or your private Discord.
>>98591879>kharn cannot percieve herAnd he apparently did not need to. The whole point is that his mindless, instinctual, killing is a "clever" counter to her usual hax, she cannot be perceived, but Kharn doesent really perceive the things he kills anyways, so it didnt save her.
>>98591842>"yeah dood he ACCIDENTALLY kills one of the best duellists in the imperium"Shes "one of the best" because of her special ability. Its a gimmick built running into someone who isnt affected by the gimmick to predictable results.
Any anons got the pdfs from the Adeotis Titanicus compendiums link? Since it’s down
>>98591902It warms my heart that your pic I made as a joke years ago is still in use, cheers WEbro>>98591904This anon gets it
I still think that the entire>so blank she's invisibleis fucking retarded
>>98591916I think its fine as "a thing some special character has".
>>98591907she's base WS6
>>98591926Cool, kharn is base ws7.
>>98591916It makes perfect sense given the rules of the setting. Blanks are not simply "soulless". They have an "inverted polarity" , so to speak. And really strong ones can weaponize it like psykers do with their strong souls for the opposite effect.She probably was still visible to actual robots without servitor brains, though
>>98589735>Cultists win against sally praetorHow
>>98591933Culexis assassins are the blankest of blanks, but even Tau drones couldn't pick one up.
alright so I asked dan about jenny khe said its more a point that kharn is a force of nature, and was surprised that GW didn't tell him that he couldn't kill her
>>98591951So it does work as inverted warp powers that can affect reality, or at least any cognitive system.Something interesting is that blanks also do not perceive reality like normal humans.They don't hear or see all the shit surrounding daemons. So for them a bunch of Bloodletters are just ugly clay-like humanoids, without the fiery rage aura or speciall effects. Although really, really strong ones like a Bloodthirster can sometimes be seen as they are for a few moments> was surprised that GW didn't tell him that he couldn't kill herSure Dan, as if you gave a shit about characters introduced by other authors, lol. Ask him about why he also killed Zephon in Saturnine. The last time we saw him before he was a Sanguinary Guard, and then ADB had to ressurect him for Echoes of Eternity.
>>98591994>and then ADB had to ressurect him for Echoes of Eternity.wait that happened?
>>98591761I don't know man. People want to play their all bike, all tank, dreadnought formation, just terminator lists etc Forcing them to "just take tacticals" just doesn't feel right. As venguard goes it would be nice, if it was true that all "elite" killer units had it. But somehow GW decided that that there are better elite killer units like SW or SoH terminators, and then there is DA Cenobiums or Golden Keshig that have no venguard, line or even some comperable rule instead of line/venguard. It creates another feels bad moment, even before you play the game.
>>98592019>. People want to play their all bike, all tank, dreadnought formation, just terminator lists etcAnd they can, they simply wont win as much. Which is fine. The strength of a terminator list is that it kills shit and doesent die, it shouldnt get to score as well as a normal army. >As venguard goes it would be nice, if it was true that all "elite" killer units had it.Not all elite melee units have vanguard, but all* vanguard units are elite melee units, or at least "killy units".
>>98592007Yes. >Master of MankindZephon was the BA Crusader Host representative and ends up a canary in the Webway War>Bringer of SorrowAfter Sanguinius and the BA arrive to Terra, Zephon becomes a Sanguinary Guard>SaturnineZephon is not a Sanguinary Guard, appears to be leading Guardsmen in the defence of the palace. Killed by an artillery attack trying to save a human.>Echoes of EternityZephon wakes up in a morgue among other bodies thanks to Arkhan Land
>>98591572https://warhammer40000.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Apoc_Datasheet_FW_Titan_Legions_web.pdfthe link doesn't work, and copy/pasting it doesn't work either, but from your screenshot I recognized the apocalypse (top right insignia) that was dead on arrival. apparently I have that pdf. yep, that's the sauce, thanks! Imma try uploading it.>Error: Corrupted file or unsupported file type.welp, tried. I find it weird how this is apparently the first and only instance of titans having las cutters. must be due to questoris and cerastus having them.
>>98592030Fucking Abbnet, hate when they have no respect for their coworkers or the setting.
>>98592053The archive.org links still work:https://web.archive.org/web/20210812164520/https://warhammer40000.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Apoc_Datasheet_FW_Titan_Legions_web.pdf
>>98592024>Not all elite melee units have vanguard, but all* vanguard units are elite melee units, or at least "killy units".Also, on that topic. "why dont all of them have it"? Because its an additional lever of unit balance. Centurion command squad are a more cost efficient melee beatstick than veterans, but they lack vanguard.Night furies are a more cost efficient melee unit than night raptors, but they lack vanguard.Cenobium are incredibly cost efficient, but they once again lack vanguard. Vanguard, or the lack thereof, is a way to remove or add power to a unit without making it killier or necessarily changing the points in ways that could lead to other consequences. On average, and there will obviously be some exceptions, units with vanguard are worse at fighting than their "vanguardless" equivalents, which is fair, they get to have the chance to score extra points (potentially game-winning stuff), but in return they wont win 1v1 against similar units for the same cost, because some of their "power budget" was spent elsewhere. The biggest notable exception to this trend are firedrakes, but theyre a salamander unit and those just tend to be overtuned in general.
Any new source for the Adeptus Titanicus Compendiums link?
>>98592062thanks! and please do pardon my mental retardation.
>>98592024And here lies the crux of the "made to be like w40k" problem. I don't think that every space marine army should be 3xtacticals, 1xcenturions, 2x[your elite legion unit], jump pack unit with claws+a pretor with the obligatory hammer etc. Line and the forcing of those tacticals makes lists look like clones of each other. HH, in contrast to w40k, should not be the "we play different coloured ultramarines" games. It should, and I think it was for a long time, the game of theme lists. Those are , or rather were, the most fun things about HH. In w40k you can't play a full terminator company, or a full bike list, or just tanks, but in HH you could. Without needing to ask your opponent to dumb down their lists, or being allowed to play an illegal list. A full jump pack list for BAs is just cool. It fits the legion fantasy, and it looks cool on the table. There is also another problem with the line package. For some legions,the legion fantasy is about runing a lot of tactical marines or tactical looking marines. Those legions suddenly get a huge buff, because they can eat and have a cake, as their fantasy also is the power option. And again I do not think that tank player should be punished for wanting to play a tank army, and he definitly should not be made to play in to armies that are powerful just because core rules say so. Why can't a despoiler focused DA or IW army be good? At some point seeing the same weapon platforms spamed, tactical package etc just gets boring. Worse, some legions do it better then others, so if you pick the "wrong" one you are litteraly playing a worse list then someone else. I like a lot what GW did with shattered legions, if anything list building game play should be more like that. More unit agnostic and game play/theme focused . And I understand that some armies will be more powerful and some will be less, maybe even a gimik, like an all flyers list or all speeders/recon army.
>>98592115>In w40k you can't play a full terminator company, or a full bike listBut you can. 40k literally allows and encourages dumb gimmick lists that disregard proper composition in favor of spamming your niche elite you hyperbuff.
Mind if I vent for a minute?GW is such a fucking retarded company, holy shit. They consistently make the dumbest fucking decisions and spit in the face of their fanbase in order to pander to potential new markets who either don't care or will migrate to something else once the novelty wears off.We could be seeing quality releases for sensible prices and their sales would still be incredibly high.
How scummy of me would it be to by two Custodes boxes and sell the units individually?
>>98592065Okey, but then why do Golden Keshig have no venguard. They have "They are a venguard strike unit leading WS brotherhood strikes" writen in their lore. I also can't agree with the "venguard less units are better fighters" then units with venguard. SoH terminators or SW terminators are not worse fighters, then knight cenobiums and much better then Golden Keshig, and they have venguard. In fact they are both better, if not one on the best kill units in the game.
>>98592132custodesfags are paypigs so do it
>>98592132I am not sure if you would make much money with the biker units. Unless you know things about the custodes codex, that regular mortals do not know. I know that the people that bought the previous big boxes with the dreads are still siting on the hero and infantry, struggling to sell them, same way stores do. But who knows, maybe in your area it ain't the same. Or you know that the FW bikes will be busted once the custodes book drops, and people are going to be killing each other for a squad or two of them.
>>98592132You either already own two or are way too late for this to matter.Custodes players deserve it either way.
>>98592137>SoH terminators or SW terminators are not worse fighters, then knight cenobiums and much better then Golden KeshAnon, you do realize those are "different units" right? Justaerin are (individually) some of the most elite terminators in the game. But theyre also the most expensive, theyre far pricier than other terminators or even command squads and equivalent. Keshig arent even terminators, theyre jetbikes, youre comparing a unit whos point is their movement 18 or something and terminators, thats ridiculous. There is no "normal" equivalent to compare keshig to, especially one with vanguard, because theyre an incredibly unique example of offensive jetbike cav.
>>98591761Or - and bear with me this is just a mad idea I had in a psychedelic dream last night - we could just drop the whole faggoty wanky Sportsball scoring bullshit altogether and go back to having missions that play more like abstractions of actual military operations where objectives are physical things on the tabletop that you either control or don't at any given moment in time, which is both far more intuitive, permits players to use actual tactics to outplay their opponent, and requires you to actually think ahead and consider the state of the board multiple turns into the future of the game rather than just remembering what faggy keywords to mash together.You keep trying to fix something that's not fixable because the reason people hate it is one you can't change, only mitigate to a still unsatisfactory degree.
>>98592115>Line and the forcing of those tacticals makes lists look like clones of each otherThe basic units of the game SHOULD be in nearly ever marine list, sorry anon. Thats just the truth. If someone wants to run a gimmicky skew list like "whoops all terminators" they are doing an abnormal thing, it should not be the norm. You CAN do it, the rules actually make "whoops all X" lists very easy to do, but it doesent need to be encouraged or rewarded. ]>A full jump pack list for BAs is just cool. It fits the legion fantasy, and it looks cool on the table.And you can do that. >40kIs about gimmick lists. Its about a guy bringing nothing but 30 terminators because he runs seven characters who all buff terminators. The entire point of rewarding balanced lists and proper army composition is so you dont end up as 40k. >And again I do not think that tank player should be punished for wanting to play a tank armyThe reward of a tank army is having a lot of tanks. A tank is not an equivalent power unit to some tactical marines or despoilers, it is a stronger combat force. The benefit of running lots of tanks is that you have lots of tanks and those things are good at fighting and killing things while not dying (and in large numbers especially they require an entirely tailored list or they basically cant be interacted with). >Why can't a despoiler focused DA or IW army be good?I dont know, why can it not apparently? >Worse, some legions do it better then othersNo legion is particularly better or worse at a "proper" force in 3e.
>>98592168>where objectives are physical things on the tabletop that you either control or don't at any given moment in timeSo scoring, you are describing scoring objectives. You just want missions to define what each objective is instead of having "objectives A, B and C".
>>98592168Anon, what do you think "abstraction" is? The current system is an abstraction, objectives are not literally magical circles dirt, they represent "something" in the world which is beight fought over and is likely the reason for the battle in the first place. What that "something" is is undefined because its an abstraction, and because the missions provide a generic basis/mechanical framework rather than concrete narrative framing. They could be supply depots, server racks, archaeotech caches or whatever else you decide is worth having a fight over. Once again, the system is abstract, it is a mechanical framework to represent something more granular and definite in universe.
>>98585966Chyron and Invictus Potens. 2 depressed dreadies each with their own short story
>>98592030so with zephon he said basically>at this point the sanguianary guard has broken down as an order at this point, so he doesn't really refer to himself as one
>>98592143>>98592143The bikes are really good in HH.
>>98592143I'd imagine 40k people would just make them count as the Vertus Praetors, if nothing else and I assume the dickbikes will be sold in either twos or fours, seeing that coming with four in the battle group is a bit unusual as-is. Either way, the Pallas included is a harder sell.
>>98592276That's Dan lying again. He himself shows Sanguinius with the SG in TEATDAnd Zephon was described in Bringer of Sorrow as a full SG with big shiny gold armour and sculpted male torso.Then he reappears in MkVI out of nowhere.
Since we're on the topic of Blood Angels: I know that SG were around during the Heresy as Sanguinius' body/honourguard, but did they wear the same facemasks or simple helmets? Did some go without helmets?
>>98591951>>98591994Many times people have failed to notice me in an empty room until I make some noise. I may be a blank ;_;
It feels like we haven't got a new Consul in forever.
>>98592325well that's what he saidlying? I don't believe so, probably more a case of not remembering every specific detail per novel so it just blends togetherhe does say a lot of "oh its all legends which is why its different to X" which is a cop out answer but eh i'm fine with it because I don't care for BL, just the black books
>>98592397It's a cop out answer and he knows what he's doingYou don't turn the end of the HH into an ad for your inquisition series by mistake>I don't care for BL, just the black booksBad news anon. Those also contain self-serving bullshit on top of being incomplete.
>>98592395Yeah, I think we’re seeing the start of resin going the way of metal for GW. If I remember right, Big Angron was the last resin product GW put out for Heresy or Titanicus.
>>98592412maybe it was a case of just wanting to get it finished? the book series was what, 20yrs old at that point?
>>98592414GW is selling tons of new metal nowadays because of ToW
>>98592419Then why turn a single book story into 3 with lots of filler and self-indulgence?Nah, he wanted the $$$ and to push his next inquisitoin book. Which is understandable, but not at the cost of fucking with several foundational cornerstones of Space Marine lore.The next time you look at a 40k terminator, remember that the stone Crux Terminatus is about bullshit that never happened because Abnett wanted to pay homage to the Dornian heresy fanfiction. Thanks Abnett!
>>98592358They didnt have the deathmasks, at least going by Gws example models. Afaik the masks were a later thing to commemorate sangys dying like a dog.
>>98592358The sanguinary guard face masks already were a thing. Their death masks tradition pre-dates 40k and the HH itself by a good margin. Not all sanguinary guard wore them though, some used regular helmets. And anybody can lose their helmet or have it compromised in some other way during a battle.
>>98592454When you say "regular helmets" what would that entail exactly? Just artificer mkIV?
>>98592358Both. But more leaning into normal helmets, they weren't yet as morbid as they became later.
Horus. Bald. Mortarion. Bald.Lorgar. Bald.Alpharius. Bald.Angron. Bald.Omegon. Bald.Perturabo. Bald.the norwood heresy
>>98592453>going by Gws example modelsretarded bullshit to sell resin that should be ignoredJust like it's bullshit that they use Perdition blades and other stupid ideas from Malevolence.
>>98592481>retarded bullshit to sell resin that should be ignoredWhat the fuck are you talking about?
>>98592446I mean I would if I couldand he seems to have more passion about writing the inquisition stuff than heresy
>>98592481>Just like it's bullshit that they use Perdition blades and other stupid ideas from Malevolence.What do you mean? If not them, who?
I wish Vanguard worked also when you make a unit fall back. For example when shooting a unit, a vanguard unit has to necessarily kill every single model. Let a fall back also score. At least at an "X-1 min. 1" effectiveness.Same when Vanguard units get close to an objective, event players simply move their scoring unit out of the objective's range. Let Vanguard (X) score X-1 (down to 1) VP if all enemy units are moved away from an enemy-controlled objective when your Vanguard unit is within 12" of said objective.The wording is less convoluted than the ai-sus verbose found in the actual book x.x
Which Glup Shitto will be next to get a whole ass novel about him out of nowhere?
>>98592489These lame kitbashes suck ass, they don't look like SG or even BA at all. >no sculped artificier armour>no SG jet packs with articulate wings>bronze instead of gold>helmet crests that BA officers do not really use instead of spikesAnd so on>>98592506By FW's own lore, Perdition weapons were flaming weapons from before Sanguinius was found. Meanwhile the SG were said to use Encarmine power weapons since the GC
>>98592558I mean, that just sounds like an optional loadout more than anything. Aren't the Encarmine weapons just fancy power blades anyway?
>>98592542>Raldoron>Glup Shittoleast butthurt NL fanboy
>>98592565I would give them a pass because at least they look like BA weapons, but the rest is unforgivable.I've seen better kitbashes using Dawnbreakers and 40k SG as a base (and those look mid at best)
>>98592188>>Why can't a despoiler focused DA or IW army be good?>I dont know, why can it not apparently?On a similar note, it's very noticeable when your units aren't benefitting from their trait. Like, Emperor's Children HSS won't be benefitting from their trait, only in niche cases - they're essentially Grey Legion most of the time.Not that you can't or shouldn't use EC HSS; they have Sunkillers because EC excel at everything. You'll just have to accept your focus is elsewhere, and this is true for every legion
>Tortuga literally just put out their own DawnbreakersBlood Angels fans we're sucking blood tonight!
>>98592586>On a similar note, it's very noticeable when your units aren't benefitting from their trait.And yet...EC use guns, IF do melee. You do not need (or even necessarily want) to make a list entirely focussed on minmaxxing your legion trait, this is quite important to understand. The legion trait does not and should not define your army, it is flavoring on an existing meal.
>>98592453Only Dante has a death mask of Sangy. All the others are just masks of fallen battle-brothers. Sanguinary Guard ones are of the previous wearer. Angel's Tears are suppose to have death masks, but I guess all the wearers died in a wind tunnel while sucking off a horse.
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>>98592592FW had the right idea giving them flying stands those poses look like shit
>>98592592Real niggas kitbash Dawnbreakers instead of using stay puft marshmallow men
>>98592611I'm convinced those Tears helmets were originally designed for EC.Even more so when the BA MKIV helmets had one with a tear in the faceplate
>>98592570>>Raldoron>>Glup ShittoYes. Any horus heresy side character who isn't ever mentioned in 40k is the very definition of a glup shitto.Non-glup shittos:Emperor, Malcador, all Primarchs, Abaddon, Kharn, Typhus, Ahriman, Lucius, Fabius Bile, Bjorn, Constantin Valdor. That's about it.Everyone else is the gluppest of shittos. The entire Horus Heresy book series is them glupping around and shittoing everywhere until they're all fucking dead and never mentioned again outside of their containment spin-off series.
>>98592681>Cawl isn't a Shitto ex MachinaAight
>>98592681Why? Is 40k important?
>>98592570Painted Count mini when?
>>98592477I like to think Alpharius and Omegon are redheads but they shave. This is their most closely guarded secret
>>98592477Wait Mortarion is bald? Angron has dreadnails for hear.
>>98592477What if all the Primarch's are Bald but some of them Wigmaxx?
>>98592592Damn, didn't think it was possible to make dawnbreakers even more ugly.
>>98592735>Wait Mortarion is bald?I like to imagine he has a skullet and random tufts of hair from all the chemo
>>98592651No they didn't. They should've modeled them RUNNING, like what has been done for years, BECAUSE JUMP PACKS AREN'T MEANT TO HOVER RETARDS
>>98592746>BECAUSE JUMP PACKS AREN'T MEANT TO HOVER RETARDSThe models are usually depicting taking off or landing thoughThough to be fair neither of those require flying stands.
>>98592603>You do not need (or even necessarily want) to make a list entirely focussed on minmaxxing your legion traitTrue...but it does feel like you are "missing out".Like, DG could totally use Assault Marines to exploit the opportunities created by their HSS. It'll be a balanced army. Those Assault Marines will simply not benefit from their trait as much.>it is flavoring on an existing mealI eat spoonfuls of Worcestershire sauce by itself sometimes. Condiments are just so yummy ;__;
>>98592848>Those Assault Marines will simply not benefit from their trait as much.Yes, and thats fine. This isnt 40k where if you play bikes you play the bike army, if you play terminators you play the terminator army and if you play flamers you play the flamer army.
>>98592735>>98592744Dirty hair is better than no hair
>>98592883Immortan Joe looking ass.
>>98592848>True...but it does feel like you are "missing out".Does it? I sure dont feel that way.Sure, if you look at things in a vacuum, and you compare unit to unit, then some legions feel like they lose out. "its not fair, the imperial fist player gets a bonus to his tacticals and I dont". But units dont exist in this void, they exist as part of lists. And in THAT light? Things are far more balanced. "his list gets bonuses to X units, mine to Y"Both X and Y units are still generally worth running in both lists, because they do tactical things that you need in your army. Your legion simply focusses (not exclusively, but as "slightly better at it than others") in one area while others in others. Hell, you know those "things that dont matter"? Often they do. The WE tacticals getting +1A on the charge is big, because it means that in that situation where the both of you brought balanced and well rounded lists you have the tactical flexibility to try and bully someone elses tacticals with a charge. The DG ability to move and shoot doesent confer much to the assault marines themselves, but it does mean that they can better bring certain big guns to support them, or which provide openings for the assault marines to exploit.Armies are not units fighting 1v1, they are layers of interactions and synergies.
>>98592760the 6th ed vanguard vets pulled it off the best
>>98590775it was 1000 pts and he had to spend half that on two contemptorsthe only thing he could afford were tacticals somehow>>98591949because the sally player is notorious for failing all his armor saves and the WB guy was using some homebrew rules that gave each cultist four attacks for some reason
What power weapon on the assault squad? Theres a solid chance they will at some point double as night raptors.
>>98592942Do. Not. Compare. Joe. To. The. Death. Lord.
>>98593081>Couldn't afford it because two contemptors. At 1kOh. Wew.>Homebrew cultists of 4AOh. Wew.Eh, well, I think those attack values used to be in 2.0, right? 1 base, 1 charge, 1 dual CCW, 1 rage, when available.
>>98592654where are the grenade launchers?
>>98592542Calas the lil shit.
>>98593239The mathematically better one is the cooler looking one. And axes x.x
>>98592489These look too basic bitch.
>>98593278>>98592942Nah Joe is cool and I wish Mortarion had a mane that looked like his. Surely it won't be so difficult to greenstuff something for him. But the hood stays
>>98592127Yes you are correct, and that is why I buy recasts.
>>98593304And yet thats the official depiction.
>>98591700Lovely, lol @pissboi
>>98593314who tf cares about official depiction, the old plastic 40k sanguinary guard with a head and legswap was perfect for it.
>>98593311If he takes off that hood, will he die?
>>98593279it's 1.0 I didn't check the rules for the units until yesterday night but 2 attacks base + 1 for pistol + 1 for charge is kind of silly for a 20 pt unit
>>98593338Yea man, just go buy that old plastic kit.
The yellow boys are coming along nicely
>>98592735morarion originally had black hair, but got damaged by the toxic environment of Barbarus, angron's butcher's nails dont count as hair
>>98593346it will be extremely stinky
>>98593380>I didn't check the rules for the units until yesterday night but 2 attacks base + 1 for pistol + 1 for charge is kind of silly for a 20 pt unitws3 s3
Should I buy a MK.III squad or a MK.IV squad? I won't get a chance to buy any new models so I wanted to buy something to keep me occupied for a bit while I test different schemes and etc.
>>98593563mkIV, it works for all legions
>>98593518>10 tacticals is 125 points>each tactical gets 2 attacks on the charge (bolt pistol does not count itself as a second ccw and units that have pistols are themselves a ccw so you do not get the second attack)>this kills 7 armsmen>31 armsmen is 124 points>each armsmen can have up to 4 attacks (2 base + 1 for pistol&ccw + 1 for the charge)>hitting on 4s, wounding on 5s, this kills 13 tactical marinesit's a stupid amount of attacks for the points
>>98593575amend that, it's 10 dead marines
