Mould Line edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98591451 >Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>4e Booksgofile.io/d/JXpc9g>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread Question:Worst mould lines you ever saw on a kit?
>>98601812>Worst mould lines you ever saw on a kit?I remember I bought a box of Gretchin for 40k, I swear to fucking god the mould lines were like 2 cm out.
>>98601812I think the old blightkings and the mortal rot flys gave me some trouble, but really I haven’t really had trouble with mold lines. Assembly is a different story, those undead wolves are not fun to build.
>>98601812>pic>seconds before disaster
>>98601812I think you can use the blunt side to shave mold lines safer.
>>98601812>Don't drive, just walk to GW as it's not far from me>There's no other game store in my city>Everyone plays 40k at the GW but none for AoS>Everyone that has played 40k has all been curious about Age of Sigmar thoughNow how the hell do I get them all interested in buying a Spearhead?
>>98601928Tell them AOS costs 1/3rd of 40k, we have cooler models, and the game is much easier to pickup.
>>98601812>>98601832i fixed it
>>98601928Easiest way is to roll up with two spearheads and offer to run demo games
>>98601938>>98601928the hardest part is getting them to actually try it. i dont think i've ever met anyone who, after trying age of sigmar, said nah no thankyou. >>98602005this is definitely your best bet. you're gonna have to bite the bullet and have a few for demos if no one is willing to pony up their own spearhead upfront
>>98601928offer to demo the game for them, and bring all painted models along with maybe a bigger monster or centre piece model to show off. helps if u have 2 armies as u can set up a mock battle in a small space. i demo'd how to play on a coffee table and the person was excited to get into it after i explained the game you dont need to go into the intricacies of battle tactics or season rules or manifestations, but just show how the basic phases works. since its warhammer it should translate fairly fluently
>>98601928If you already happen to have two spearheads it's probably as simple as offering to play a demo game. I mean they already said they were interested right?
Hey guys, silly question, but if I wanted to make my own sculpts and stuff do you reckon I'm beter off trying to learn how to sculpt digitally or just with my hands. For the purpose of miniatures of course and just to y'know try to bring some of my own ideas to life.Reason I'm asking is because I've been doing more stuff with greenstuff etc lately and I've really enjoyed customizing my miniatures like that. Obviously a beginner so it's mostly small stuff adding up, but I would like to take it to a higher level if I can.I'm leaning towards hand-sculpting because for my purposes it seems like it has way more immediate benefit, way lower skill floor, get tangible results on your minis, etc. Also seems like if I did eventually want to try out the other, it seems to me like it'd be easier to go from handsculpted to digital than the other way around. Again purely for my own enjoyment not planning to start selling my stuff on etsy or whatever the fuck.
>>98602203if it's just as a hobby for your own enjoyment then just do physical sculpting
Ironjawz=Order faction in denialKruleboyz=Chaos faction in denial
>>98602225nah
>>98602215That's what I'm thinking too, but idk what digital sculpting can do these days.
>>98602225Yeh
>>98602225mebbeh
>>98602203digital sculpting is both easier and will produce much better results if you can get over the technical hurdle, which is really just a couple days to pick up now with modern tutorials and shit. greenstuff may have a lower skill floor to actually put putty on a model or armature, but the skill floor to actually get anything remotely decent looking is much higher than digital. greenstuffs and puttys are a fucking pain in the ass to work with, especially at 28mm scale
>>98601928Ask the clerks if they run events and if they have any planned for Spearhead? You don't run the store and official Warhammer stores usually aren't even places people play at so I'd suggest finding the real lgs or play area/group instead.
>>98596464Azyr is so kino. I'm sad that if we get a good AOS game it'll probably be deliberately trying to ignore all the gonzo kino stuff
>>98602280As someone who is experienced in both, this isn't really true but I believe most people encounter trouble with the learning resources targeting them. With 3d modelling, it's reasonable. With sculpture, people skip traditional clay for worthless niche green stuff tutorials from people who shouldn't educate (hobby secret, shortcut to avoid learning anything!) or attempting without any basic education.If anon has a printer, learn 3D. If he doesn't, buy chavant and learn traditionally before scaling down to air drying clays and epoxies.
Brawlers of Behemat is gonna be sick.
>>98602337I doubt it
scar-veteran on foot?
>>98602337It will be a decent deal for the Terrain and SoB models, but it's not going to be a great all-time game to play
>>98602355I'd assume it's part of the larger coatl mini. Like how the slann also has a baby coatl flying around the base somewhere
>>98602344>>98602365I suppose the nice thing about being a pessimist is you're rarely disappointed
>>98602369No, trust me, I'm disappointed all the time too
>>98602369>is you're rarely disappointedI wish that was the case
>>98602337You will play it once lmao
>>98602337>terrain does nothing to Gargants unless they're crouching yeah, anyone, it'll be a bonified classic like the wizard duel they keep including in WD or sky battles from 2nd edition. I still encounter people at my lgs looking for games
>>98602410The Knight game for 40k is more obvious parallel, since the box contents seem very similar.
>>98602410>bonified
>>98602335unlike regular clays and putties though, greenstuff is sticky. this creates a whole other level of problems when working with it, you need to keep your tools and your surface constantly lubricated, you need to work fast because the material only has a 1ish hour work time tops and any changes you need to make quickly transition from sculpting to carving, dremelling and whittling as the shit turns stone hard over the span of a single sitting. also its damn expensive. its like $20 for a little tube you can get maybe 10-15 scratch made figures out of? and thats not counting all the material you waste, failures and cast off, etc. the scale is so fucking small though it would be difficult to use any significant amount of filler on an armature like you would for larger scale like foil or foam. i really dont think greenstuff is the way to go. even industry best world renowned sculptors like the perrys are getting outshone by independent digital sculptors on MMF and cults. its just a better medium for the scale. if we were talking about 6 inch tall figures or something it'd be a different story, but 28mm scale just does not lend itself well to physical sculpture by hand.
>>98602428>>98602335also a ton of the techniques you learn for clay sculpting just straight up dont work on greenstuff. the sticky, hard springy nature of it means pretty much every technique you learn about how to actually push around the forms or rake to get texture or wire cutting to carve out some quick planes, smoothing scrapers, all of it just doesnt translate at all to the putties people use for 28mm. you try and the material will just deform like you're trying to sculpt a 6 month old gummy bear that was left under a car seatits awful to work with, i really hate it.
>>98602428>>98602437I always advise to learn the fundamentals first to avoid this. People have already figured it out, you just have to follow their process.
>>98602445all the fundamentals in the world dont change the fact that the medium is like trying to work with a half liquified ball of duct tape the size of a quarter
>>98602335>>98602428Counterexample: valbjorn. He can make things by hand that just aren't printable let alone doable with injection moulding. Sure, 3d sculpting has ctrl z and layers and easy duplication of parts and what not, but it's more ambiguous as to how the 3d object looks once printed.I'd recommend sculpey for learning as being able to harden the clay in between seps is very helpful. Not to mention you can get usable bits out of it instead of simply scrapping the work.
>>98602452You don't know what you're doing, anon. It's like someone who doesn't know how to saw panting braced against a beam. I don't know what to tell you other than you're doing it wrong. I didn't even say greenstuff although it is renowned for detail capture. That's your first big mistake.
>>98602454No, chavant is a clay that never cures and that's the standard learning method. It hardens enough to smooth, layer, workable slip, etc. Heat it up again and it's malleable. You can use nothing but if you cast it tbhon.
better yet use ai to generate models now you can generate images and create stls from it no need for difficult and expensive to learn greenstuff or clays
>>98602454the guy with some minor space wolf conversions? am i looking at the right guy? i dont see anything on his insta you couldnt do digitally >but it's more ambiguous as to how the 3d object looks once printed.its really not unless your print settings are bad or you dont know how to support a model>>98602456your vagueisms arent worth the screenspace they take up
>>98602476>NOOOO I WON'T LEARN I JUST WON'T THIS STUFF JUST DOESN'T WORK You can't argue. Your experience says enough. It's fine to give up but don't pressure others into this loser mentality of "it just can't be done". Perry can manage it with one hand, faggot.
guys please don't fight over my question you've all been very helpful :(
>>98602476yeah anything greenstuff can do I can do better with 3d printing. there is no point trying and greenstuff sticks to your hand and hurts to work with i almost cried after mixing a batch of it. it took forever hurt my hands and hardened before I could do anything gw used to HAVE to use it and they suffered but we dont have to
>>98602493
Bear
>>98602587kislev I guess but it could decorate an UW Icebrow hunter or mancrusher probably some random blood bowl thing though
>>98602598Kislev Bloodbowl team?do we know if we are even getting more UW sets at this point?It's not as dead as warcry but it's not really being supported
>>98602587Kislev or maybe some Empire Knights of the White Wolf?
>>98602607boole said it wasn't from any legitimate source and 12 or more warbands were planned. he said it is one of GW's most profitable games so he's never heard of discontinuation
>>98602587This is both an unusually clear and confounding rumour engine. Who the fuck is this for?
>>98602627
>>98602627>it is one of GW's most profitable games so he's never heard of discontinuationi find that hard to believe but I never go to dedicated card shops where a game like UW would do well
>>98602627>one of GW’s most profitable gamesIdk if that was Boole taking the piss out of TGA. Or a leaker taking the piss out of one of the people that are Boole. I have literally never in my life seen anyone playing or talking about underworlds irl, ever.
>>98602634This would imply Boole has sources in the financial department of GW. Which I very much highly doubt
>>98602635>>98602636I have never played UW but own most of the warbands. I think people underestimate how many people play games - these are cheap great little paint pieces or something to collect or use for D&D. When every other box is £40 I think this demographic would buy UW instead. As a teen I would play games by exaggerating unit sizes so one model = 10. I bet a bunch of people play like that with UW too. >Buy a box of Stabbas >These 5 Stabbas are all 20 >Buy UW>Each unit has a unique champion, and you have a bunch of heroes to lead for cheap
>>98602418I just want a kaiju game so bad, and AoS has lots of fantastic kaiju models
>>98602643I would presume it is based on order quantities, given all his leaks are based on printed material. So GW are ordering more UW boxes than other things.
>>98602587is it me or has nearly every old world rumor engine been a disconnected piece from a model? i think this could potentially be ours
>>98602607>>98602627There's actually a bunch of conflicting rumours concerning underworlds. At first one of the leakers (don't remember which) stated that it about to be discontinued, and possibly replaced by another type of skirmish game which would be the heir to both UW and warcry, sort of AoS mordheim with some UW juice added.Then boole said nah it's fine there's like 10 more boxes on the way at least.Then whitefang back me up chimed in and said nah they're definitely killing it.Both are tier 1 rumourmongers so it's interesting that they disagree, somebody is going to have a big hole in their record.Anyway, recently another TGA guy, ejecutor, who apparently has some UW connections (leaked the previous lumineth warband for example) said there's 4 new warbands upcoming, including another vs box in september. However, in response WFBMU doubled down and claimed that unfortunately the lumineth warband is the last ever to be released We shall see in the coming month I guess.
>>98601812>>98601986Thats why i bought a moldline remover. Very good and less damaging the miniature. You ven can use it to sculp the plastic.
>>98602587It's time
>>98602736>Hamilcar is killed by Belakhor and a random female Stormcast takes up his name, swearing revenge
>>98602754You're doing that thing again where you're imagining things that didn't happen and getting genuinely upset over them in the present. You shouldn't do that. It's not good for you.
>>98602761nofunallowed.png
>>98602778Sopa de sigmaraco... uma delicia...
>>98602778Redd?
>>98602778suckin' on em
Its gonna be a lot of work to repose the Mega gargants, ugh...
>>98602587Bearcast eternals imminentSeriously though, I guess thunderstrike vanguard chamber has a shot but I feel like this is probably either kislev, wood elves, or pelts for khazalids.
>>98602918>wood elvestoo twink coded, they would never get a bear. >khazalids.God I hope they arent getting space wolfed>kislev probably on a chaos warriors cock.
Once again asking for the second, and third edition pdf of the sons of Behemat battletome.
An overview trailer for the upcoming Skaven gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEqhr5lLHJo
>>98602927>>wood elves>too twink coded, they would never get a bear
>>98602964https://files.catbox.moe/6i2k9c.pdf3e, but with the painting section missing
>>98603014Look at how amazingly multipart and posable those animals are
>>98603025All metal too, so will set you back 112$
>>98602901I believe in you
>>98602901
>>98603044
>>98603039>>98603044there are scans so it is easier and cheaper to buy a budget 3d printer and curing station than try to do this in greenstuffyou can edit the pose in blender before prepping to print easily
>>98602901You can go the easier way and cover any and all of the cut and reposed joints with crap, you can make pretty convenient thin bandages and cloths by cutting into strips the packaging of shit like fortune cookies or bags of chips.Also trophies help a lot, especially when they have gory entrails.
>>98603066cheese cloth soaked on modge podge or PVA is like paper mache too but that'll be a realistic texture you can cut up an old cotton shirt too
>>98603078>realistic texturething is models don't have those for the most part
>>98603061>spend £300~ vs £3 milliput wat
>>98603089yeah that's why it was a clarification. you have to like that sort of thing
>>98601928Why isn't the store manager doing anything to promote a solid 40% of the product on his fucking wall?
>>98603096At the expense of the 60% that sells 500x quicker?
>>98602725Lmao fag
>>98603100You don't have to work to sell 40k. Just have it on the wall and it will move. AoS stuff needs to be promoted for it to move. Since his 40k shit will move with literally zero effort, there is no opportunity cost. The manager just isn't putting forth any effort
>>98601928At least you can still play at your gw, they got rid of that here a couple years ago. Sucks because it's also the closest store to me. Weird because the tables are still there and used for demos.
>>98603100If people there already play 40k why the fuck would he spend time promoting it to them?
>>98603130NTA.Believe it or not there are 40k-only’s who don’t know AoS exists despite being stocked literally on the next shelf. I had one such person come ask me what we were playing at my RTT last month. He was genuinely curious and liked how the game/minis looked.
>>98603150Not what i was talking about. Guy said owner was busy promoting 40k to people already playing 40k
my local warhammer store hosted two AoS events: one escalation and one trad 2k tournament. They didn't have enough players for either so they've stopped entirely. In December we get a free for all - bring a mini of any kind and survive a battle royale. That's it. Official stores are just a job to the clerks, they are tired of warhammer and have zero enthusiasm. It's not a hobby for them
>>98603285I misread, my bad.
>>98603299not being a doomer floptard just saying clerks will put no effort in. If AoS events require work, they aren't happening
>>98602778Good us for the terrain kit. Probably a saving too
>>98603299>Official stores are just a job to the clerks, they are tired of warhammer and have zero enthusiasm. It's not a hobby for themsounds like that more of a problam of GW hiring practices.
>>98602587One of the TGA rumour guys is saying this is definitely something aos (i.e. not kislev or wood elves), but not much beyond that. Pelt for dorfs seems like a good guess.
>>98603021Sex>>98602927>on a chaos warriors cockWhat
>>98603516
>>98602225Well it's possible.Could orks actually go against their own instincts of senseless destruction? I mean like the Skaven they're kinda forever tied to a god that just wants things to suck for the fun of it.
>>98603476Well, that and that obvious product of not being a franchiser but a direct owner. Your store's success is basically irrelevant and it's not your store. If someone at a Warhammer store is building a comfortable environment and managing events, that's all on them and honestly it sounds like management would order them to stop if they found out. My local store had a painting day, just chill and paint in the store with everyone else on Thursdays. Get hobbying done. Management ordered it reduced to one hour before closing. People stopped going so the community there is dead. I'll never encounter a new player or anything from happening to pop in on a Thursday for something. Soulless.
>>98603593>Well it's possible.
>>98602225Nah. But Sylvaneth is a destro faction in denial.
>>98603593Old Black Library included Orruks in Cities. They used to be amicable if there was something to krump. Similarly there's a story of KO trading them Maw Krusha eggs.
>>98603575Huh, this one is by Chin too? Never knew that. Guess it makes sense, he also did the 8th edition ungrim one, as well as I think the 8e dwarf cover (which is fucking great)
>>98603593Gorkamorka was initially in Sigmar’s pantheon
>>98603671Yeah when it was convenient to work together & bring down the godbeasts. That obviously fell apart fast because he just wants to keep fighting.
>>98603688Correct. As such I can imagine orcs (at least ironjawz) being more open to mercenary work type of arrangements
>>98603014God, I hope it's really an updated kit for wood elf beastmasters, these guys played a small role in the WE arcane journal storyline and definitively had bears in it so there's a chance
>>98603054I wish I knew how to add the little wave effects to these, I have my sea gargant in water but he's kinda just standing on a hunk of resin effectively. Still looks cool
When the fuck are we gonna get terrain that isn’t just fucking embargard.
>>98603736When the fuck are we gonna get terrain?
>>98603736Scratch build your own terrain anon. It’s fun and soulful
>>98603785Technically, all edition long between spearhead seasons, the new gargant thingamajig, and faction terrain.
>>98603736When we remember we still have to get out of the gnarlwoods
>>98602316>>98603096He was but everything got put on hold.
>>98603736When GW decides to commission detailed environmental art for the setting.
>>98603791nah but like, cool terrain.Admitedly I wouldn't mind if we got the little blown out buildings as a whole warcry esque box
>>98603799What is that creature
>>98603903Wojak, or rather CiepłaTwarz.jpg
it's probably my tism getting riled up but i might've made the big fucker's skin a bit too pale compared to the rest of my army, maybe it'll look better when it's finisheddo you guys prefer having all of your models be one cohesive color scheme, or do you vary things up between units and models?
>>98603884I feel like that was almost certainly going to happen, but they scrapped warcry. Like no way they made the terrain for this little meme mega gargant minigame, they just needed to recycle the ones they made for warcry. Same with city of ash.
>>98603968Real bummer for Warcry, the weirder thing is I distinctly remember when city of ash was leaked by whats his nuts he mentioned how it was a double spearhead type box for a new form of spearhead that was replacing warcry...
>>98603959Nice clanrats anon, old and new ones mix really well Also I feel like your clawlord having a distinct colour is kinda neat. Don't worry about it.
>>98603959I think the monstrous mutant being discoloured isn't an issue
>>98602634Thanks god. I hope the new warbands are better and they return the warbands rival decks (with art instead of photos).>>98602643You can follow sales on Ebay/Stores/Distributors and before Embergard it was one of the most sold "2nd grade" product from GWS
>>98604000i'm honestly really thankful the old and newer sculpts for the clanrats mesh pretty well together. if/when i do my stormvermin i might make them a similar color to the clawlord but unsure.>>98604006this was my thought process as well, although my stormfiends are also tan so it doesn't gel as much as i'd like. if they ever make the brood terror not shit again i might paint him really pale too, but that's if i really wanna invest in more moulder stuff
>>98602203Going from a digital sculpt to a physical miniature is literally just a matter of turning a 3D printer on and hitting print.I did a project a few years ago where I hand sculpted some funny creature miniatures, afterwards I bought a 3d printer and recreated the same things digitally, what I learned is that for actually producing a miniature hand sculpting is basically pointless unless you specifically want to learn that skill. When you make something digitally you can edit and iterate on it infinitely, creating variations is trivial and manufacturing a bunch of whatever you made at whatever scale you need just requires a 3d printer. You also get much better results at low skill levels.
>>98604202How much do the skills transfer, would you say? I imagine of course the technical approach is a lot different but probably some general principles stay the same
>>98603959>do you guys prefer having all of your models be one cohesive color scheme, or do you vary things up between units and models?I think it heavily depends on the army.>Are they an organized military or a random horde?>Do they travel/loot a lot or do they sit in 1 place and have limited resources?>Can they biologically differ in skin tones/furr/other markings or are they basically all the same?
>>98603959I tend to like some cohesion, only army I don't have explicitly as such is my gargs where I tried making each one completely different. Otherwise only time I go out and do weird shit is Warcry or Underworlds warbands I typically try out new scheme ideas.
>>98604252Organised armies would still have unique regimentary colours anyway. AoS isn't 1:1 it's abstracted warfar so it makes sense for armies to be varied as they were before the Napoleonic wars
>>98604274oh i didn't even think of that in terms of warcry/underworlds, i do have a warband for UW so i might experiment with them at some pointand yeah gargants make sense, they're practically made for unique looks and designs, and i tend to see people go hardest with SoB models, especially bases.
>>98604296Organized military would still have consistancy within a unit and have different uniforms between combat roles. Steelhelm and Fusilier might be colour coded, but they wouldn't have each Helm have his own colours.Unless your guys are specifically some kind of last stand of several shattered armies forming 1, but that's more of an exception than the rule
>>98604212You can basically do anything digitally that you can do physically, I was able to make more or less exactly the things i had made by hand using the more or less the same process digitally. However some of the most powerful sculpting tools are the ones that least resemble reality, like masks. I don't think if you have a lot of experience sculpting by hand you would have problems learning digital beyond software interface shit.I mostly make small scale hard surface models now (tanks for battletech) and even attempting that by hand would be a waste of time and effort and would require me to figure out a way to make multiples of them, so I don't really do sculpting anymore.
>>98604335No, it would be like pre-napoleonic warfare. One dude brings his men - one commander his Free Guild. A battle would consist of up to dozens of these on top of mercenaries. Every city has dozens of Free Guilds. AoS is not a napoleonic setting. You field 50 men but that's not warfare. AoS abstracts the actual thousands of men that would fight into <100 models. Read about any real battle. They aren't just one generals men.
>>98604383Sure we can pretand every Helm in a unit represents 50 guys, but that would still make them look weird if every 1 of the 10 was different.At least have 1 command squad + 7 guys be coherent and paint another 10 different colours
>>98604324I should get a group shot of my underworlds warbands one of these days considering how far out of my way I went to collect all the fucking things.
>>98604452Yeah, I would diversify them by regiment or something. Not necessarily all unique but if you want to paint some stuff differently just throw them in a regiment to themselves and it would look fitting.
>>98603903beeople
>>98604466please do! i love seeing people's models and stuff(i really hope GW doesn't nuke underworlds anytime soon, it's a fun time with friends)
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>>98604524>i really hope GW doesn't nuke underworlds anytime soonI'm still convinced underworlds is gradually being sundowned but that's fine because 2e has been all around pretty shite. Still gonna nab the models when I can since they're neat and fun to hobby on.
>>98604534Just rush 3e with the grand return of real cards. Fix the issue you made yourself.
>>98604335I think for CoS specifically the most lore-friendly way to do things would probably be to give each unit or couple of units their own scheme, since as mentioned by another anon each city has multiple freeguilds working for it. Lethis is the notable exception, with them having a singular massive freeguild in the blackshore guard. We can assume that each freeguild would provide their members with the appropriate uniforms etc.Though you could make everything work lorewise. Want to paint every single fucking steelhelm different? Your forces are the shattered remnants of a larger army. Want the whole army to be the same scheme? It's the entire guild come out to fight. Etc.
>>98604551I got all my 1E shit and borderline every single warband, most of the weird extra decks they put out for 1e (those went clearance turbo fast at my FLGS so I snagged em up cheap) If underworlds dies out in 2e, I can say I more than enjoyed my time with 1e and continue playing that.
>>98604611i never played first edition of underworlds, what did they change in 2nd that made it worse?
>>986046991e had open deck construction, 2e was present decks
How frequently are WH+s competitions and what kind of stuff do they have as prizes?
>>98604699>>98604738Card art getting replaced by photography is also a pretty big deal. Just feels a bit cheap, especially considering the price of these boxes
>>98604699Other than the exterior shit like getting rid of art and replacing it with pictures of the minis (literal photography), shit getting more expensive, everything being made more dull to look at.I'm not the biggest fan of dropping rivals decks for warbands to just generic decks for everyone. I realize deck building as a whole kept getting watered down but the rivals system I think was perfectly fine, your dudes come with a deck and you could buy generic decks seperately. I feel like removing that aspect alongside casting rolls (having to plan out using wizards and spells properly was neat) On top of that MY BIGGEST GRIPE is that they specifically went out of their way to "rebalance" and "rework" everything and yet warbands like say Morgwaeths Blade Coven or Ironjawz Boyz or Eyes of the fucking Nine who were notoriously fucking shit in 1e get brought back and reworked to still be notoriously shit. Like imagine having the chance for a fresh run through of everything and you still have the worst of the worst remain as such.ALSO ALSO, this was also a bit of a problem later on in 1e but the whole removal of the necroquake and the cataphran curse causing the warbands to forever be resurrected and fight one another is gone so I have no fucking clue what the purpose of calling it "underworlds" even is anymore.
>>98604762>shit getting more expensiveThis is the worst part. Back in Nightvault you could get a warband + 60 cards for around £20. Now you pay like £30 for only a warband.
>>98604920I don't even understand the point of it all. They made a game that's accessible to non-AoS crowd and it was popular, and then they raise the prices to the point that only a small contingent buys it now while the game slowly fades out players.
Good news anon. GW has decided to take a chance on your favourite (sub)faction, and will give them a proper range expansion in 5th.However, to make room for this expansion they will unfortunately need to squat one unit of your army. Which one do you pick, and why? Foot heroes don't count.
I wonder if AOS and 40k could adopt the grid system like battletech.
>>98603105eat shit, tool-let
>>98605075What the hell is the grid system
>>98605075That sounds retarded since Battletech is gay
>>98605071>Which one do you pickYou already know
You guys should count yourselves lucky you’re even able to participate in this hobby at all. I live in the middle of nowhere where the market for it is literally nonexistent. No stores. No players. No models/terrain/whatever the fuck. Just appreciating the setting as is.
>>98605071lizardmensaurus guard begone, because they're out of date and warriors look fancy enough as guards with their shields nowthunder lizard expansion>stegadon update>skink update, the alt build is helmets and laserguns instead of blowpipes>sauropod behemoth with a small pyramid on its back>skink hero riding a kroxigor in full armour
>>98605177trust me, this shit is NOT worth it most of the time
>>98605177I live in middle-of-nowhere myself, but I am lucky that we had a small dedicated group that hates 40k and been playing anything from other GW games to various AWGs. We've actually have grown to over 10 people recently too.
>>98605138Like underworlds has. More or less. Hexagons and stuff. No clue how that would work on the scale of AoS or 40k, battletech is played with only a handful of minis each. Dunno what anon is on about.>>98605196They've been around for so long I'd hate to see guard go. Do desperately need an update. Maybe in the EoE campaign, who knows. If I HAD to pick a seraphon unit to squat it'd probably be ripperdactyls. Terradons are cooler, and with terrorwings + the upcoming coatl there's plenty of lizard fliers anyway. Only if I had to pick of course, I do like the ugly little guys.Also man I would love a kroxigor hero. Kroxigor ancient or whatever they're called in the total war game.
>>98605177Slovakia sounds fucking terrifying
>>98605362>Hexagons and stuff.40K has some small scale boardgames that use hexes, or boxes, or something to that effect. It's totally doable, but it's easily the least interesting way of playing that ga me.
>>98605362>and with terrorwings + the upcoming coatl there's plenty of lizard fliers anyway.I don't get how you plan on squatting the rippers while keeping the terradons, unless you're genuinely suggesting wasting a release slot on updating the perfectly fine terradons
>>98602725Bro? The backside of your hobby knife?
>>98605377Keyword being small scale. I assume anon was talking about full 2k point tier 40k games.>>98605382I wasn't taking into consideration kits and stuff but individual units instead. It is kind of funny how much better terradons have aged than ripperdactyls despite being built from the same kit though.If we're considering the whole kit up for squatting instead it's more difficult yeah.
>>98605368It's fine in Bratislava, the city has it's own stores and good connection to Vienna. But further East you get the worse it is.
>>98605427I do get what you mean with the rippers, they were funky even at the time of release, but I can't help but love em, flaws and all.
>>98605427>I assume anon was talking about full 2k point tier 40k games.>On hexesThe mind boggles. Sounds singularly awful.
>>98602661How many factions have a kaiju-sized model ready to go or could justify one in lore? Or could be easily kitbashed from other models. >DeathZombie giant would be easy enough to convert and seems like it'd be a lot of fun to make a rotting Fankenstein giantBone giant is an easy slam dunkNo reason why there couldn't be a giant ghost monster or ghost powered armorMaybe a ghoul giant?>OrderCow elves have a mountain cowLizards could have a new big dino or bring back the Dread SaurianAnimated statue of Khaine for Daughters?Giant sea serpent for DeepkinBig tree>Destructiongiant squigs>Chaosbig daemons for all the Chaos factionsHellpit Abom
>>98605459Not sure why you're omiting dragons as if large lizards breahting stuff weren't kaiju-core
>>98605459>>Deathzombie dragon>>Orderkarazai>>Destructionmawkrusha without rider>>chaosdorghar without archaon>>out of the left field with a steel chairkragnosthis is the free for all game of dragon beating
>>98605496The incarnate of the deep and of the spine also work at the same scale and theme.
>>98605494Forgot dragons exist ngl
>>98605071I can’t even do this challenge cause I’ve only got like 5 non hero kits in my armyLmao
>>98605459>>98605496Chaos could get that Skaven pit abomination. In lore there's at least 1 city sized (stuck filling every room of a fortress Skaven took making it a rat version of Dogscape creepypasta, but it's a thing)
>>98604524I regret saying I'd pull these fuckers out, jesus christ I forgot how many god damn warbands there are.
>>98605459the ossiarchs have the Triptych
>>98605459>ORDERstormies have the dragon twins, as well as the stardrakeCities have the cogfort (that counts as a kaiju, right? For the purposes of this hypothetical.)In a similar vein, the ironclad is the closest KO are going to get. Unless they're about to pull a pacific rimMagmadroth for fyreslayersTreelord for treesDread saurian for seraphon. Or give them a thunder lizardsJust port the 40k avatar over to DoKLumineth have the titcow as you said. Maybe they'll get a dragon for zenith temple too. Or was that supposed to be a phoenix?That leaves idoneth. Turtle comes pretty close, otherwise give them that battletome cover whale, or a kraken.>DEATHDraconith counts for sbglTerrorgheist/zombie dragon for fecGive obr a bone titan Giant ghost creature sounds cool for nighthaunt. No idea what shape or concept specifically though. Flying dutchman maybe>DESTRUCTIONGargants are gargantsThundertusks work for ogresMawkrusha works for ij, big bird for kbManglers for gits I guess? Trugg if we count named characters? Otherwise, yeah give them another colossal squig>CHAOSDorghar for std. Plus they're getting a chaos dragon soon anywayBring back vorgaroth for khorneGreater daemons work for all big four armies too Hellpit/brood terror/verminlord for skaven. If we're making shit up give them a giant moulder bat-rat. Better yet, make it another great clan.Llamasu for helsmiths. Though those sre usually not THAT big. Maybe amother crack at the kdaai destroyer instead.
>>98605569Aren't those, literally just big statues. Boring normal decorations.That also got destoryed by Teclis
>>98605496>order dragon, death dragon, destruction dragon, chaos dragon>wind dragon, water dragon, earth dragon, fire dragon
>>98605589they got rebuild as kaijus and get used against invading armies. but other than that, they are still used as statues.
>>98605519My condolences. FS or DoK?>>98605591Missing only of course the sylvaneth spite dragon
The Warhammer store mini of the month change in October allegedly is a 4 AoS/4 40K split option where they want you to build & paint them in store. Which seems like a really dumb idea when the stores seem to be generally really small.
>>98605623There generally aren't many people in the store
>>98605623>4 AoS/4 40K split optionyou mean that you get 4 minis per month?
>>98605637Enough to make it feel cramped.
>>98605623>build and paintBuild sure that's what they do with the little starter marines/stormcast innit? but having you paint it in store seems excessive. I'd be surprised if that was actually part of the deal.
>>98605648>>98605653I'm just going off what's being said but others. Probably have to just ask your local store for certain. Building would be fine if still a little inconvenient compared to carrying little boxes. Dunno if it's 4 all at once or like an incentive to come back weekly/daily.
>>98605617Nigga looks ike he's about to cast Ice Bolt
>>98605543godspeed anon
>>98605623>& paint them in store.dropped
>>98605623>October allegedly is a 4 AoS/4 40KAoS has 1 per GA, watch 40cuck be>space marine>black armor space marine (you're given grey models anyway)>space marine's sidekick>xeno (cause orks and eldar are the same thing as tyranids after all)
>>98605617IronjawzArdboyzBrutesWrekkaz/RagerzSmall pigBig pig
>>98605623It's supposed to be 12 choices in total, aos and 40k each get 6 each.There will be 2 "permanent" options per system, so the launch box ones that are already available for newbies to try out (clanrat + stormie for aos, intercessor + ork boy for 40k). Then there's a rotating cast of 4 extra minis per system. These will get changed every few months from what I understand. For AoS they start with a steelhelm, gutrippa, "skeleton" (normal deathrattle I assume), and a chaos warrior. This coming from the guy on tga who leaked the fact that mini of the month was getting replaced by a new system in the first place.
>>98605716He said 1 unit, not 1 kit, so make the Wrekkaz into 1 profile
>>98605728That sounds needlessly complicated if it's also on top of having to go through a "hobby lesson" with a random employee to get anything.
>>98605700For 40k it's supposedly-cadian-sister of battle-necron warrior-chaos space marineIn addition to the permanent intercessor and ork boy
>>98605741Aight, so I get 8 then:ArdboyzBrutes WrekkazRagerzSmall pigBig pigBig pig with freeridersProbably sacrifice the ragerz desu
>>98605623>paint them in storeI'm willing to put up with that if I can get the colours for free as well, otherwise they can fuck off
Ironguts, cleavers, gutseers and Gluttons. How can any of the former compete with Gluttons. you get two extra dudes. They're all 200 points, except cleavers are 220.
>>98605756What if they just have pots already put aside for this but you can't take them?
>need to paint the free model in the GW store>i ussually takea few days to paint something
>>98603736Just hit up etsy or any 3d printing site, there's tons of terrain out there and its just as good as anything GW does.
>>98605792I mean take the paint pots home.
>>98605677This took far longer than I'd like to say.
>>98605823Contrast sloppa in store, take it home and reprime.
>>98605832and a top down shot. I think I missed a couple stormcasts and for some reason I can't find the leader of the new skaven guys. (I have no fucking clue where he is I have too many bins...)
>>98605784I dont remember the math on it but ironguts can beat out gluttons with buffs compared to them, but its more work so its really situational. As for the gutseers and cleavers, they have their own niches that would make you pick them over gluttons rather than just raw output.
>>98605825I know. I'm asking what if you can't & it's just them having pots aside for it.
>>98605823Slop a 5 min messy basecoat on them, then take em home and do it properly. I can't imagine the gw employee will be all that invested in your paintjob either.
>>98605832God damn
>>98605832>>98605839goddamn, truly the real underworlds was the friends we made along the way :)
>>98605832>>98605839I kneel. Like the frosty scheme on your ironskullz by the way.Who'd you say your favourite of the bunch is?
>>98605907Thanks! And hard to say honestly, I do genuinely enjoy most of the warbands they're all neato sculpts.in terms of favorite models it's probably Mologg or Hrothgorn. Though I do like the funny little git in moon armor from the other gitz warband.
>>98605071Freeguild Fusliersin exchange a more cog-gun units to get a Greywaters theme army
>>98605942All the gits warbands are great. Zarbag has kino alt sculpts for a bunch of normal units, some of my favourite in the game. I hope if they ever remake shootas they just look like the archers from that box.I personally would have to give it to either grib or the squigapult from grinkrak's box. Honourable mention goes out to the golden demon bait that is the crimson court.
>>98605417It is too thin and the round form helps alot to be quicker and less scratching the plastic.
I kind of would like to see blood dragons redone.
>>98605832>>98605839I really couldn't be brought to care for Underworlds as a game system, but it definitely had neat enough models from time to time and got me to buy a couple warbands. Either way, I kneel and mourn the decline of something you thoroughly enjoyed, anon.I still need the new LRL one if I want to make my Windmage conversion.
>>98603007I like the art style they went with.
Alright so whats the ACTUAL decent lore to look into. I know about fantasy and 40k. But what about sigmar? I own a bunch of lizard dudes, but like none of the lore outside of how the setting started.
>>98606201The core book is an excellent place to be served a bunch of lore.
>>98605965Soulbound is such slop
>>98606404Anon you can't just call everything slop, that's just sloppy.
>>98605177>secondary nomodels for shame
>>98605591The Soulblight undead dragon looks so fucking GOOD.
>>98606418we can’t all be so lucky anon cut him some slack
>>98603007You know all the fucking times I bitch and whine and cried about never getting a Chaos-centric game? Yeah, this wasn't what I was thinking...
>>98605177I'm in a bit of a desert for anything but 40k myself at the moment. I'm sticking to the hobbying side of the hobby, which is fortunately plenty fun.
>>98606201Best to wait as the setting is being rebooted next edition. Most things about the setting are being rewritten so no point in learning dead lore.
>>98606201What do you actually wanna know? You could read Starseer's Ruin if you want more Seraphon.
>>98606052I think underworlds while very simple was probably carried by the sick ass models. Lore was also pretty cool but that got nixxed.I'm sad that it's kinda melted but I have a nice variety of models to work on and a neat little game on my shelf
>>98605839>>98605832Is underworlds hard to get into? I might pick one to try force my friends into it (if I find one I like)
>>98606799Not really, at least in the past it wasn’t.
>>98606799Not really, you do need the starter box to have the stuff to actually play with. Could probably snag a couple older ones for cheap or just go for the new one (not spitewood, whatever the rats v stormcast one is).It's a simple game, I think it's like 12 turns total? You score objectives off your cards, depending on your edition some light deck building. Suprisingly easy game all things considered.
>>98605675Still feels weird to see those dudes without the broken eyes.
>>98603593Even in Fantasy, there were (rare) examples of orcs not killing shit all the time. I imagine it's basically that individual greenies can be reasoned with, but then you get a group and they're much more interested in fightin'
oh no no no ushoranbros...
>>9860359340k orks act as mercenaries for other races (not very trustworthy, but then who is?) and have occasionally even cohabitated with them in early lore. In general, orruks don't hold strong moral positions and are thus willing to work with whoever serves their interests best, if a deal can be struck, but it has to prove more attractive than the immediate gratification of fightin' whoever's proposing the deal and lootin' their corpse.
>>9860706040k Orks are different though. They have their own designated subfactions that actually specialize in exactly that kind of thing like the Freebootas. Not that I think it’s impossible here though.
>lord of change fell off of my porch when I decided to paint outside I’m not even gonna bother looking for the small bits and just use what’s left of the model for basing.
>>98607172jesus christ man I'm so sorry.how bad is he damaged? I've somehow had a few drops here and there on some models but typically it's not too bad.
>>98607172Somehow this too was all part of the plan.
>>98607172>LoC>not just turning the missing bits into warp portals and/or mutationsGet an Accursed Cultist kit and stat gluing stuff on.
>>98607172Show us what's left
>>98607172>not using this as an opportunity to make the LoC even more uniquefake tzeentchfag get outta here
>>98607172>he thinks the lord fell by itself
>>98603593I have no evidence to prove this but I feel like Kruleboyz would be the least destructive Destruction faction. Like making entire shantytowns where they can hoard their shinies and have makeshift fighting pits to bet on which slaves will last longest. Then again they may need to be mobile due to their stab n dip strategies.
>>98607461It's a grimderp paradox. They have engineering prowess to construct things well, but they also form a low trust society that neccecitate temporary over long lasting, because everything is to be assumed stolen/looted in near future.Skumdrekk has his gambling palace, but his maintanance crew is entierly made of hobgrots
>>98607518>palaceHe just set fences up around a swamp.
>>98607549Sounds like US congress, am i right?
>>98607394Kek
>>98606477I don't really like how gw does dragons usually but this guy fucksSpeaking of, any idea on how to replicate the metallic red armour of vhordrai they've done here?
>>98607834Red->pink highlight->metalic highlight should work
>>98607834It's contrast over metallic paint, look at contrast-metal tutorials or something specific to SBGL
What is said of Wanderers now? Did they just disappear without mention, only read into "City Aelves" mentions? >they're Kurnothi Kurnothi are framed as a new hitherto unencountered race.
>>98607958Their beef with Sylvaneth is over on paper, so i assume they just hang out in the woods somewhere where Drycha's fanatics aren't around.In CoS they face even more racism, so i doubt they stay in there.Maybe one say they'll get Kurdystan back
>>98607958They wandered off mate, let em go.
>>98606404It does feel quite disconnected from what's usually focused on in the battletomes and such. What the fuck is soulbonding even
>>98607958dead.thank corporate storytelling for that.its only getting worse with 5th
>>98608297it's annoying that gw can't just let the creatives turn their studio mandates into interesting things without getting involved
>>98608270Soulbounding was an excuse to make every PC a super hero. You aren't just a Dryad or Arkanaut, you are uniquely blessed by a god to be comparable to a Stormcast in strength and importance. It's just weird. It doesn't happen in AoS, doesn't happen in Black Library, and AoS is already high fantasy enough to justify the kind of scenarios written for it. IDK, Cubicle 7 just did whatever and it's not like GW care because they routinely retcon their work and it launched with squatted stuff emphasised.
>>98608304AoS is run by people who legitimately think "astra militarum in a fantasy world would be so epic". The creatives are the problem
>>98608308Thanks anon. Very odd. Why would you even want to be a super-powered arkanaut?They did some cool stuff like fleshing out the great parch etc but lots of soulbound leaves me scratching my head.
>>98608308I don't see how aos being high fantasy justifies a party of normal squishy guys being on par with a respawning demigod that shoots lighting from his butthole.It's a lame gimmick, and gw is shit at interwoving aos's novels and rpg info into the main setting, but it's a sound gimmick.
>>98608270>It does feel quite disconnected from what's usually focused on in the battletomesYou can say the same for WFRP or the 40k RPGs outside of maybe Only War
>>98608348By Sigmar's will, we are Etern-ACK!
>>98608328Power fantasy. Soulbound is there to contrast with WHFRP like TOW is.
>>98608415sometimes I think people don't understand how armor works
>miniwargaming dead RIP but good riddance honestly
Oh right they hadn't posted this yethttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/j1su5rhk/inside-white-dwarf-528-ogors-make-a-meal-of-the-mortal-realms/
>>98608454I don't watch battlereps or anything but isn't this channel like 2 decades old at this point? What happened all of a sudden?
Truth? >>98608465
>>98608524Kill yourself, faggot
>>98608475Oh there's some design commentary about the new ogre stuff, sweet. Always enjoy that >>98608524Wtf I thought slopmachines would be good at art by now but that's atrocious.
>>98608509Bankruptcy risk and downsizing
>>98608541AI companies make more progress in lowering people's standards than they do in raising the quality of the machines' outputs.
>>98608546roughyou'd think with the recent explosion of 40k things would be doing better, not worse than circa 10 years ago
>>98608524ofc that faggot would be a sloptard
>>98608313Is it the creatives who came up with that, or is it the fact suits kept hearing "I won't play until they add a normal HUMAN faction" and were like "What people love about these cities guys is the humans!" and mandated it?
Apparently the new 40k codex they've shown off is a step up in terms of flavour from the 10th edition one. Hopefully this bodes well for 5th.
>>98608757Does it have AI art or is it just HH that does it now?
>>98608757I only heard bad things about orks
>>98607973>In CoS they face even more racismWanderer women love racist human men thoughbeit
New video for Deathmaster video gamehttps://youtu.be/pwsV7KPdZlY?si=dslPfAuSYsl_znAg
>>98608870Didn't really care about this that much at first but the more I saw the more I liked. No surprise that it feels similar to mark of ninja, they got on of the devs of that game working on it as a consultant.I'll probably pick this game up if the price isn't too bad
>>98607233>>98607394lol>>98607518sounds frighteningly close to the third world so I’m not so sure
>>98608858Many such cases. They like it when you call them slurs.
First Chinamen book is coming out
>>98609012least it isn't another 40k book>Even DickenHas anyone read his AoS books?I'm kinda surprised BL didn't hire an Asian writer for this book.
>>98609012I have 0 to no interest in it.
>>98609031Why would they hire an Asian writer to write about the imperium.
>>98609031He has an Asian wife
>>9860903940k does have some very asian coded Space Marine chapters like Emperor's Shadows and the Mentors, also House Ty from Necromunda
>>98609012This is /aosg/, not /wfg/
>>98609012>WHF novels again YEOOOOO>Cathay I sleep
Is that scale accurate? I thought Stonehorns would be bigger
>>98609099The only other one rumoured is the Tomb King one by Mike Brooks im not sure that's going to be any better
>>98609112
>>98609112>Is that scale accurate? the glutthorn isn't bigger, that's for sure
People not understanding minicomputer isn’t reliable will always be funny
>>98609113cathay and tomb kings are the most interesting TOW factions so that sounds good to me.
>>98609112More or less yeah
>>98609130You can see that it is >>98609112
>>98609152nu uh
I kinda like the concept of the thunderstruck, but I do not care for its execution of it. >>98609148>
>>98609172It's bigger here too
>>98609112Believe it or not. Almost half of the Thundertusk/Stonehorn’s size comes from the horns. They look like hooved gorillas otherwise.
>>98609172Fuck man skellies are so cool.My lgs still has the army set, is it worth picking up? Doesn't exactly correlate with the spearhead is the annoying part.
