Magic the Gathering thread without posting or discussing Universes Beyond>how do I search for non-UB cards?On Scryfall "-is:ub"On EDHREC selecting "Universes Beyond" under Card Filters hides them.>Can I play UB cards even if I hate them?You can do whatever you want, but you shouldn't contribute to the enshittification of this game. More people taking a stance against UB means WotC have to acknowledge itProxy them if you must, or wait for them to get in-universe reprints as a few already have>TQWhat should a UB-less format be called?
>>98629292>What should a UB-less format be called?Magic: The Gathering
>>98629292We already call it universe within.
>>98629292>TQ20lotus20rat
>>98629292Would you accept a Universes Within reskin as a proxy of a card if you were playing with some fellas IRL?
>>98629292>TQUniverse WithinBattlefield (In contrast to a Fortnite label)
>>98629369depends on how good the proxy looks. I hate UB, but I have to say I'm quite fond of Barrow-Blade, it has a very unique function that tends to leave opponents facepalming and its a good chuckle the first few times it happens
>>98629292>What should a UB-less format be called?Real MagicWe will switch to calling UB ad space, because it is
>>98629369Yes
>>98629245Doesn't matter?
>>98629292>TQCall it the “Girlypop girlgasm format” and make it so on top of not using those icky UB cards each player needs to identify as trans.
>>98634085One of those isn't even originally UB
MTG Arena grind feels so soulless.How can I get around it. My LGS only does commander.
>>98634085why does this reword investigate but not Cherubael or Rad counters or DOCTOR'S COMPANION
>>98634487True, but she is an ugly fat old lady with zero lore.
>>98634515Because rewording investigate has no mechanical bearing.I hate it too, believe me, but I'm not gunna change rules text.
>>98634521yes it doesErdwal Illuminator
>>98634534Right, but "investigate" is in effect "create a clue token". I know there are edge cases where that isn't the case, but I don't particularly care. I do not have that card in my deck.
>>98630723>>98634085hmm is this close enough
>>98634569OooThe firebreathing reminded me, I have these too in the 99 of my two most recent decks.
>>98634593>whenever this KothFuck me
>>98634593AND i didn't change mount doom's name in the rules text. FUCK ME.
Or Electro. What is the fuck was I even doing. I'm slipping, brothers.
>>98634606>>98634613you also left in Electro's name
>>98634593god these suck shit, straight up errors and bad full art bullshitim pro UB now
>>98634521Investigate is actually a keyword action, so changing it does change rules text. It's also not from a UB product, so it's a very strange thing to insist on changing.
Reality Fracture preview season starts this week, right?
>>98635974I just did it for simplicity and maybe a bit of flavor. The only card that seems to care about it is Erdwal Illuminator, which I don't run, so the effect is fuctionally the same.
>>98636135I rudding how so, the set prereleases on the weekend of the 25th ffs
>>98636146Do you run other cards that make Rad counters? If not, it would have been just as little of a functional change to rename them.
>>98636165Yes, but even if I didn't, others may, and they stack.
Genshin collab fucking when?
>>98639942Exactly the wrong thread, cunt.
there's a stream again soon. propably some card spoilers
the stream is fucked lol
none of these have been very interesting
seems these have alse been powered down
>>98641919This one seems the only one worth a damn
>>98641879What is white about this card?
>>98641983that it's shit
>the rest is just regular cards + set mechanicbravo Mark. I always wanted a lightning strike with a token walker. and a 1/1 deathtoucher with a token walker
>>98642055kek, I get it. White never gets powerful white cards.
>>98641983White had the original planeswalker tutoring card in Oath of the Gatewatch.
>>98641912What a schnozz Chandra has now.
>>98641919This looks like absolute cancer.
We get it, Jace is the main character
>>98641912Why is Chandra sudden brown? I know her parents were always brown, but she wasn't ever.https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Achandra-nalaar&unique=art&utm_source=tagger
>>98641919My enrage deck will be very pleased.
This "Empower Jace" shit is so cancerous.I don't want to make a fucking planeswalker token, and I don't want to have part of the balance of a card accounting for the fact it's making me a fucking planeswalker that has a draw effect on it, when I could have the same card without the fucking empower effect for a lower MV or with higher stats etcIt's Start Your Engines all over again
>>98641936Yeah all of the sphinxes have fucking draft chaff legendary effects except >>98641942 which is instantly gonna be a $30 card because 4 Black Lotuses a rotation is incredibly easy to achieve in Selesnya lifegain. That on its own for 6 CMC would already be insane, but then they go and give it 4 keywords including one that causes lifegain.
>>98641889>Unstoppable kills ImmovableWell I guess that answers that
I want to know who is derranged employee who has jace as his OC donut steel and wants it front as magic mascot
>>98644858True story, at the LGS I used to go to before I moved, there was a guy who was obsessed with Jace. He had a Jace playmat, always played blue so he could play cards that had Jace on them. Autistic, as if that wasn't obvious
>>98644900>LGSthe autism was implied.
>>98643847I think the red black one is neat, but outside of niche lifegain stiff or the off chance of a noncombat damqge triggered ability, it does jist seem like a worse Mishra CBG.
>>98629292>tqTrannys not allowed
>>98644957Stingerquill is cheaper than I expected and seems to be leaning towards token decks, shit a load of tokens then then guarantee they do damage before dying.But it's still nothing compared to the cycle of dragons we just got in Strixhaven with crazy effects like storm on everything and affinity for creatures
>>98641889They had ONE job. JFC this set seems designed to be a dud so they can justify more UB.>Well guys you said you wanted more in universe sets>But we didn't see a lot of support for the speshul Jace set over the Hobbit>I guess the gamers don't know what they want>Anyways because Reality fracture didn't do well we are canceling one of the in universe 2027 sets>Tune in to Reality Fracture standard to find out which oneFuck WOTC, fuck Hasbro, fuck DEI, and fuck MBA douche's
I feel the new emmy should have had a ward cost way bigger than valgavoth. now it's just whateverbeing a rare is also a weird choise for a titan
>>98641936Pretty funny with Ojer Axonil.
I still don't understand why JotC cucks so hard to collectors with this reserve list. Especially given that OFFICIAL formats like Legacy and Commander use those card. Some common examples found in the current meta>dual lands>null rod>mox diamond>city of traitors>lion's eye diamondThe refusal to make reprints of these cards just makes those formats, and even unofficial formats, retardedly expensive to play. And lets face it, JotC personally does not make any money from some fag buying an alpha badlands over ebay from some random oldfag selling his collection. On top of that there's NO reason to believe that it will drop the prices of certain printings. Swords to Plowshares has been printed dozens of times recently and the old printings like alpha or ice age are still going up in price in the degenerate collector market. New printings will just mean whoever wants to run those cards just gets a cheaper version with different options for art.All they have to do if they want to make money is just to print some limited time boxes with various format staples according to a theme like the From the Vaults boxes at a reasonable price.
>>98641889They keep making the border look worse and worse.
>>98646757did it change again recently?
>>98629329This
WotC is basically admitting that Jace was the cancer killing MtG all along.
>>98647717*gaslighting
>le rebels vs le totalitarianism millennial writing AGAINSo fucking bored of this trope. Why can't the Echoverse citizens just genuinely believe in Jace's project? He literally fucking created them and keeps them under constant surveillance. We already have the Multiverse characters trying to dethrone Jace anyway, why the fuck do we need "insurgents"?
Is Tam Jace and Vraska's daughter, or an alternate universe Vraska?
>>98649559First one however there is additional context
>>98649559>>98649616And that context is that she was made, not born
>>98648925Because the writers are from the secondary schoool system, entrenched in its ideology. There must be an opressor to hate, else why live? Why have a story?
>>98650177It really does feel like their logic was genuinely:>if we just pitch this as Echoverse vs Multiverse people might pick the wrong side! We need to put rebels in the Echoverse so people know that's the bad side!!!
>>98649622>Your name is Tamira. But who you are is up to you.more troon pandering
>>98650676>tfw assigned gorgon at birth
>>98650676
>>98650695uh-oh..
>>98650718Isn't his wife Chinese?
>>98629292I’m trans and I love Jace. I wish Jace identified as trans also and turned xemselves into a woman.
>>98650816No cross-posting, back you go >>98646196
More garbage uncommon legendaries. I swear they did this on purpose so the UB legend bloat would look more acceptable
>>98632412Final Fantasy, Turtles, and somehow even Avatar were more Magic than a bunch of recent UW sets.
>>98654562>le approved UBYou shitpost in these threads daily instead of simply killing yourself, why?
>>98654509>boardwide buff on cast>has convoke so you can get it out turn 3 easy without rocks>garbageIt being monored is really the only bad part here.
More previews that the troons on Scryfall haven't gotten around to uploading in 7 hourshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2qRU28gKsM
>>98654803>>boardwide buff on castWhen you cast something else, sure. And for +1/+0 which is nothing. Even if you cast 3 or 4 instants or sorceries, your stuff is likely to die in combat due to no toughness buff
>>98654562The most recent trash in universe set was EoE a year ago. Before that was Aetherdrift at the beginning of that year. Before that... I don't know. Duskmourn was half incredible half crap, before that was a great set, and before that was two hat sets, which are bleh, but they are still magic. And before that is was an incredible couple years minus maybe New Capenna and NEO.All that said, they are all better than TMNT by a mile thematically, and are all still more "magic" than avatar and final fantasy, since none of those you mentioned are magic at all, they are just fantasy. Magic is not just fantasy.
>>98654836>I cast 6 cantrips>my 12 1/1s get +6>I attack with 12 7/1s>you block 4>your 4 creatures die>I hit for 56
Red merfolk? Red. Merfolk.
>>98654849>look at my white room fantasy land where everything can be what I want it to be!!!!>even with unlimited imagination for some reason I tried to argue for casting 6 cantrips instead of one 6 mana buff spell!!!!
AWOOOOOW baby I'm preyin' on you tonight
No combat tricks is an interesting effect
Oh fugg blue cost-reducer that can apply to artifacts and enchantments and not just instants and sorceries. I think this one's going to be worth a buck or two, that's a really good effect
>>98654893Not going to post many alt arts but this is a pretty one
People were speculating how Vraska was going to be colorshifted, turns out she's jeskai
>>98654912Oh I just fucking read this after posting it>creates a treasure that doesn't enter tapped when you cast a non creature spellIt's busted storm
Assorted draft chaff
Blue Lyra seems playable as a commander despite being uncommon. 3 mana isn't a bad cost either
Meh
Reddit meme got some bulk uncommons
More reddit
Tarmogoyf reprinted into Standard
GOYf
>>98655477I legit don't know which of these is the original
Obligatory 3 mana blue creature-disabling enchantment. There has to be enough of these that someone could build an entire deck of them. After all, why innovate when we have to design 7 sets a year?
4 mana make a 4/4 do nothing. More draft chaff
Unplayably bad chaff
Notice how the tranny finally gets the in universe magic content after begging for it only to whine about it anyway. You truely have to be trans to hate on UB.
>>98654860>he thinks drawing one of the handful of good large red buffs is better in monored than filling your deck full of tiny spells tgat draw and/or create things in the color with a bagillion cast triggers including making tokens, treasure, mana, etc.No games, I see
>>98654869>"The changes in this new universe are based on what Jace felt would make these existing characters more complete, not arbitrary black to white changes">Edgar is a werewolf instead of a vampire because because
>>98654902>Thalia was better off deadWhat did Jace mean by this?
>>98654920They're creatures so they need haste, but yeah.
>>98655745>trust me, it's actually good to put total garbage in the command zone, in monored of all fucking colors, on the off-chance that you will have in hand 6 cantrips, cast them all, just to give your creatures a mediocre boost that is printed with better formatting on a 6 mana sorcery>inb4 "but you gotta get that sorcery to hand!!!!!!"And you need 6 fucking cantrips.
>goyf in standard and upbased
>>98655773>you need 6 cantrips in your deck full of cantrips that inherantly draw into one anotherIt's a shame that card you posted doesn't have a target unless you're discarding to draw and happen to draw a second 6+ cmc card that you for some reason discarded.
>>98655773>>98655782you have a thread to spam your commanderbabble in, go there and stay there
>>98655793Now anti UB trannies won’t even allow people to talk about commander normally. How wide in diameter is your dilation prod at nowadays?
>>98655782>It's a shame that card you posted doesn't have a target unless you're discarding to drawOh fuck, if only that was exactly the kind of draw monored specializes inHow much are you planning to draw to have 6 cantrips in hand anon?
>>98655774Slow >>98655474
>>98655827Commander is just as gay as ub and has probably done more damage to mtg as a whole, ub is mostly an aesthetic and flavor clash with mtg. Commander ruined the gameplay of entire formats on multiple occasions and every set now has to have 70 legendary creatures for edh player to cream themselves over.
>>98655839>every set now has to have 70 legendary creaturesUntil Reality Fracture this was exclusively UB's fault
>>98655477>no separate ruric and separate thar cards>>98655480>they themoh boy I can't wait for this to become confusing when wotc prints something that makes an opponent discard a card and then the creature deals damage to something so they have to use multiple instances of the same pronoun on a card meaning different things!
>>98655481the design team has been bankrupt of ideas for years now thanks to needing 7 sets a year. it's always just the same spells but with set mechanic
>>98655774>>98655833>>98655474did goyf see standard play way back then?
>>98655833stop spamming literally every card spoiled and maybe i'll bother to read your posts>>98655908yes, it was played in zoo
>>98655827hating commander is the opposite of troon coded, troon
>>98655911>stop spamming literally every card spoiled and maybe i'll bother to read your posts>JUST DON'T POST PREVIEWS SO WHEN I POST PREVIEWS IT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN POSTEDAre you mentally deficient?
>>98655916Seething relentlessly because the normies won’t play legacy with you is doubly troon coded. Also pauper has the densest tranny population out of all of the mtg formats.
>>98655934how about (You) post previews for the cards that are important, and not shitty draft/ troonmarder cards?>>98655949oh yeah pauper is ass but that doesn't make (You) any less of a commandertroon
>>98655962>how about (You) post previews for the cards that are important,Like what? Go ahead and tell me precisely which cards you, from your golden throne, have decided the masses need to be informed of?I was posting cards that weren't yet on Scryfall because the lazy trannies there still haven't update in almost 12 hours. Cards not visible on official sites seem pretty important to me you fat faggot
>>98654912>>98654920what you have just described is worse birgi/ worse ral monsoon mage/ worse baral>>98655971if you don't have brain damage you should be able to tell which cards are draft chaff or should only be posted in the edh general.>I was posting cards that weren't yet on Scryfall because the lazy trannies there still haven't update in almost 12 hours. so what? we can all go on spoiler sites, dumbass. only post something if you think it warrants discussion
>>98655774two mana for a four five seems okay but not particularly strong to be mythic rarity
>>98656000it's been mythic since modern masters
>>98656003Should be rare unless there's a good reason it isn't.
>>98656005wotc doesn't want to destroy the secondary market
>>98650764That doesn’t make him less of a Jew, but that kid is technically not one of (((them))). Not that anyone cares outside of fundamentalist circles. unless his wife is also Jewish, which feels unlikely
how many of you pile your lands in to a small deck so to speak when you tap 'em? I see this more and more and it's really annoying when I'm trying to asses how many lands my opponent has and have to ask every time. I always overlay my lands so you can see the ones beneath
>>98655827>Anti UB>trannyContradiction in terms, no tranny would ever object to the heckin' wholesome gender affirmation vibes of Final Fantasy.
>>98656333I've never seen anyone do this ever.
>>98654853I guess it would be weird flavorwise if she made specifically Shivan dragons but it would, but I don't think it'd be TOO strong.
>>98656333I do this exactly but leave my untapped lands lined up in a row so my opponent can see how much mana I have open. Just stop being an uguu nervous social wallflower tranny nigger and ask people how many lands they have, it will make your games faster.
>>98656380Nicol Bolas has affirmed more transgenderism than any anime girl.
Would a Tam the Mindsculptor reprint be too slow nowadays for standard play
>>98655830Red almost exclusively has impulse and replacement draw. I plan on doing both. You plan on drawing into an answer when your deck isn't full of draw but a but of other crap.
>>98655898Did they really start adding pronouns back in instead of just using the name specifically so they could push gender politics? Fucking hell.
>>98656333I only pile them when I have so many lands that overlaying becomes unmanagable, so like over 12.
In Your Opinion - what are the Top 5 most iconic cards in MTG? UW only.
>>98656935jtmswrath of godforce of will (or counterspell)meddling magestasis
>>98656871They can say it's for space saving. The thing is that they don't need to do it on the cards themselves to push the trans agenda there are other ways. The fact of the matter is that there are not so many legendary creatures where a card has to refer to itself a second time to afford an opportunity to use pronouns, but in the future there will be an invented pronouns card for sure.I make custom cards and I will stick to the old templating "this card" has no soul, but a card will always be an "it".
>>98656547I do. they get very pissy about it
>>98646752Simple - because WoTC fears that "investoooooors" would murder rape them hard in the court for tanking value of their "investments". I think when 4th edition dropped they were already preparing GIGANTIC group case and reserve list was created to stop them from pulling the trigger.As much as reserve list is retarded, I don't think that Pinkertons are powerful enough to stop an army of autists from turning WoTC into shreds.
>>98657931There is no way they would have a legal requirement to not reprint cards. If that is the case, that's retarded.I think it's much more likely that wotc did it as a way to promit collecting their cards, to increase profits, and now years later it's biting them in the ass.
All this shitty gimmick set needed to be good was a Jace the muscle sculptor but wizards is too up their ass with the oc donut steal drama
Nice story you got here you fagshahahaha
>>98659678Why do people keep acting like Tam is somehow Jace reborn. All that happened is that she got his spark. We know sparks can be obtained, lost, and transferred.
>>98659837>venser transfers his spark to karn to save him and continue the fight against the phyrexiansvs>jace transfers his spark to tam when there was no reason plot wise to do so at allbut actually there was a personal reason, his secret message was "i tried to destroy the multiverse so i can troon out"
>>98659896>there was no reason plot wise to do so at allJace fucking died, what are you talking about?>troon outAgain, transfer of a spark is not transfer of a mind or soul or anything of the sort.
>>98659984xhe can't help it, they see themselves in this image in xher head about spark transference being akin to trooning out.
>>98659984Jaya and Dack and Gideon died, did they transfer their sparks? No, because there was no plot reason toJace couldve just died the same but no he had to transfer his spark to Tam when there was no reason to - and why? So that wotc can relaunch Jace, except this time in a female gorgon'a body, aka troonified>>98660171Cope and seethe UW sucks ass haha
>>98660219>WotC replaced one character with a completely different character>I am going to scream and cry that this is trooning out because I hate Magic and the only thing that comforts me in my torment is posting bait on 4channelGenuinely contemplate suicide
>>98660223>wotc replaced one character with another character in the most hamfisted way possible>wotc already has a troon in universe, alesha>...stop posting bait pleaseHahaha cry more enjoy your tranny mind mage next year
>>98656010It's a $5 card
>>98655898Ruric Thar uses they/them because it is literally two niggas
>>98660521You aint 2 niggas if yous 2 heads on 1 nigga's body. We gonna start calling hydras "they"?
>>98654987Literally almost every other card that creates an angel token creates a 4/4. This card annoys me.
>>98655773Christ they're really still doing this "we have Quidditch at home" thing, huh?
>>98660655What tribe would you suggest for 3/3 blue flyer token?
okay but really though this set is genuinely fucking bottom of the barrel absolute fucking shit
>>98660655These angels are weaker because they're fuckin' nerds
>>98659837because how tam is written. she is constantly hammering home how she doesn't know what she is using terms like "person in progress"on top of that. people keep calling her part of jace and in the end her friends accept that "tam is just tam"sound familiar? mtf, person in transition, people being jacettephobic
>>98660705Why? I haven't seen any reason it's "so bad" beyond "jace tokens" and "not UB."
>>98660521did you even read what my concern was with the usage? of course you didn't
>>98660219kekWell thanks for confirming all the "troon jace" spam is just UBrownoid troon projection.
>>98660783Thanks for admitting jace is a troon and that you dont even bother arguing against it, enjoy your protag transitioning to save the multiverse while you kvetch over a crossdressing gag
>>98660769>she is constantly hammering home how she doesn't know what she is using terms like "person in progress"Because she is literally a fictional person made with magic. You can't actually be this schizo
>>98660848Karn is also a fictional being made of silver and magic, you ever heard him and venser speak like that?
>>98660790By that logic, by refusing to deny my claims, you've just admitted that Final Fantasy is for faggots, you're brown, and you're a troon (but that's obvious when you downplay Cloud's trans prostitute arc as being somehow based). Meanwhile my dismissal of "troon jace" as spam and projection is a clear argument against it, meaning I admit to no such thing. Common UBrown Wile E. Coyote self-own moment, many such cases!
>>98660885>humongous lefty essay seethe replyLol enjoy your transexual gorgon kekaroo
Me & my friends are starting to get into magic (no commander) i bought the foundations starter collection.Is there anything else i should get? Or what boosters should a new player buy?
>>98660924sleeves. not only for the protection but for waay easier shuffling. also dice and maybe extra cards to use as tokensbooster wise, if you are playing limited with them then get enough of one set for a draft or sealed. not sure if the starer collection comes with enough but foundations is a good set to introduce new playersdraft = 3 boosters per playersealed = 6 per player
>>98660699Dinosaur
>>98660924>Me & my friends are starting to get into magicdon't
>>98660772>Jace tokens are parasitic as fuck and are all over the set>set is inexplicably split up into three themes that could and should each be their own set under more normal circumstances (Hexhaven, Planar Chaos 2, Oops All Jace)>most of the Planar Chaos 2 characters are uncommons so the aspect everyone was actually looking forward to is kind of lame>Hexhaven stuff is also underwhelming>fucking Tarmogoyf taking up a mythic slot out of nowhere
>>98660924Don't buy boosters unless you're using them to play limited like drsft or sealed. Prerelease for Reality Fracture is coming up on the weekend of the 25th, so I would recommend going to that. If you just want to do it with your friends you can also buy a takehome kit for each of you and do it that way from home so you all have time, or you can buy two or three total depending on the size of your group and draft them.Beyond that, I wouod recommend downloading the Manabox app because it makes deckbuilding incredibly easy, and maybe look into different formats like pauper or pioneer so you can start building decks to play in actual stanctioned formats. If you have an LGS near you, maybe ask them what formats are populat there, what ones they hold events for, etc.If you want to bulk out your collection, some stores offer playsets of the commons and uncommons in each new set for pretty cheap, which is an alright deal when you're starting out and really don't know what you're building.
I keep seeing all this talk about how to play coomander on the jewtubes but they always operate on the axis that everyone would play intelligently. this has not been the case irl for me. it's almost always 2 players kingmaking a third player even when that player is clearly in the lead already. like what do you do in this situation?>turn 5 or something, 2 creatures on my board vs a fuckton>I get surprise emrakul'd>ok my hand is full of buffs, you can take out this player who is propably going to kill us both if he untaps>nah I'm just just going to tap you out and not attack, pass>we lose>I ask why he did that and he says he just wanted to find out what would happenthis is not the first instance of this happening either. not even that same night with a different guy
>>98663385FNM a couple weeks ago I had a player intentionally boardwipe into a mardu lifedrain package because he couldn't win. So he died, we died, the mardu player gained a bunch of life and won.Some people are beyond comprehension
>>98661612>>Jace tokens are parasitic as fuck and are all over the setI would agree if Jace didn't have more set presence than much better beloved mechanics. Planeswalker tokens and nonlegendary walkers in general are a design space so far largely unexplored, and the latter at least has been asked for for some time.>set is inexplicably split up into three themes that could and should each be their own set under more normal circumstances (Hexhaven, Planar Chaos 2, Oops All Jace)Symptom of the removal of Blocks, every set suffers from this to some extent. Stories simply have no room to breathe,>most of the Planar Chaos 2 characters are uncommons so the aspect everyone was actually looking forward to is kind of lameWhy is a higher chance to get the cards you want bad?>Hexhaven stuff is also underwhelmingIf you like Strixhaven I don't see any reason why the Hexhaven stuff is worse.>fucking Tarmogoyf taking up a mythic slot out of nowhereIt's an iconic card, even if it is basically just Labman but bad.
>>98663807>>set is inexplicably split up into three themes that could and should each be their own set under more normal circumstances (Hexhaven, Planar Chaos 2, Oops All Jace)>Symptom of the removal of BlocksAgree
>>98663770>boardwiping a board of blood artists because he couldnt winNow do you realize why MLD is banned in casual edh?
>>98663913I don't even get the mindset. Aside from it being selfish, I just can't imagine caring about winning that much that I'd want the game to end for everyone if I can't see a line to victoryIt's not like he was getting locked out or crippled by stax, he just couldn't get his value engine online.I've played games where it's clear to me I'm not going to win. I don't care, I play it out, especially if my mere presence affects how the game goes because someone still has to chunk my health to actually win and has to decide between that or attacking someone else, for example. The only time I will concede is if I'm so screwed that I have a couple turns of draw and pass, and even then the idea of ending the game for others and not just myself is unthinkable
>>98664162To some, winning is the only way to have fun, so if he isn't winning, he'd rather end the game. He would evidently also rather lose than conceed.Commander isn't for competitive people.
>>98664255CGB once said he played commander with people from a boardgames background and they were really reluctant to concede even when it should be clear that it's over, he thought it was the wrong mindsetBut I think it's based. Unless the game has become so fucked that it's not really a game anymore, just wait one more fucking rotation for the guy to "do the thing"It's a casual social format and viewing it more like a boardgame instead of just quitting when winning seems unlikely is absolutely the correct mindset
>>98664301100%, yeah. Boardgame mindset isn't great for 1v1, but for multiplayer it's great. There are so many opprotunities to come back, and more than that, the goal is to have fun together, not exclusively to win.
>>98629369Depends how close to setting. I say you can get away with it with even less effort.
>>98664364I don't understand what you mean. Are you to imply that it's okay because Ares is of common mythos? It's still not in-universe.
>>98629369If it's clever enough. I was fully prepared to engage with Into The Omenpaths or whatever they called their UW-UB reskins before they just gave up on that entirely.
>>98664539>whatever they called their UW-UB reskins before they just gave up on that entirely.They stopped this because there is (was) an internal war within WotC over UB. Several people hitched their careers to UB. The success of UB is their career success. That is why in-universe sets have been sabotaged with weak mechanics and short preview windows compared to UB which gets cards previewed sometimes literally 6 months or more before release. It is why WotC maintains a policy of ignoring UB critics and insisting that they will eventually just leave and be replaced by new UBpiggies.At the most recent shareholder meeting they literally mischaracterized the fact that old players are trying to vote with their wallets by buying more in-universe sets as actually being UBpiggies getting into the game and then slurping up in-universe too because UB is just so great and gets soooo many people into Magic and totally isn't propped up by scalpers trying to gamble on name recognition.If they printed Omenpaths, it would provide a metric that would demonstrate how much of the playerbase would prefer in-universe alternatives to unique cards if they could get them. They won't do it, people's careers are riding on that part of the playerbase being quashed
>>98664596how did they spin Spider-Man and TMNT bombing
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>>98664605Spiderman was one of the best selling sets of all time according to Maro
>>98664539From what I gather, they only did into the omenpaths for the spiderman set in Arena because they didn't have the right to the characters for digital distribution for whatever reason.>>98664596Outside of the schitzoposting at the start, yeah, they 100% are doing everything to kill in universe sets and prop up UB shit.
>>98664631Ro WotC it very well may have been, at least for the initial order because investors bought boxes on boxes (by having lied to wotc saying that they are storefronts of storefronts buying boxes for them) and stores probably bought a ton too. At the cosumer level though? Didn't sell for shit. Wotc doesn't see that side, though.
>>98664605Literally >>98664631What you have to understand is that even when you can see UB rotting on store shelves with your own eyes, what Hasbro reports to its shareholders is the distributor sales, which is how much stock they offloaded onto retailers. Even though they do have the capacity to monitor how much stock retailers actually sell to customers, those figures aren't being reported.Again, people have hitched their careers to UB internally.>>98664644>Outside of the schitzoposting at the startYou can choose not to believe me, but I am telling you there are people at WotC for whom the success of UB is their own success because they backed it and staked their careers on it. It's why we had a whole year of 50% UB after assurances that it wasn't going to be Standard legal. That was the test year to see which side was "right"
>>98663385>like what do you do in this situation?You play Magic and not a derivative board game based on it.
>>98664596>>98664644>>98664790i know you're just cynically telling the truth but i have idea how anyone can possibly champion UW as being good enough for mainstream when it is so libtarded + not having any prior success like Marvel
>>98664999>durrrrrr UB is le heckin unpozzed and based actually so it’s goodYou’ve been trying to make this bait work for fucking years now. Do I need to fetch the black Aragorn again?
>>98664999>not having any prior successIt built the longest running tcg of all time, they must have been doing something right.
>>98665044Lotr sold well despite black aragorn (wotc couldve sold more if they made him white), and ofc you never bring up FF because unlike the tolkien estate square enix actually put their foot down
>>98665056it built the best mechanics out of all the tcgs yesas for ip management however, nobody cares about urza or jace and the best mtg has are slivers and eldrazi
>>98663913nta but b3 is not casual
>>98665241b3 and even b2 can be sweaty if you follow the rules to the letter, but too many people conflate anything not cedh as 'casual' so i just use what's familiar
>>98665266sure, the thing is people are playing rhystic and other stupid shit in there anyway so you they are more than ready to deal with it. just make mld cards take a game changer slot and it's fine. bracket 4 is definitely something certain archetypes fall off as a viable strategy altho still "casual"
>>98665117>and ofc you never bring up FF because unlike the tolkien estate square enix actually put their foot downDiscussion of UB is not permitted in this thread, but if it were I'd question why April O'Neil (Irish name by the way) was black in the TMNT set then.At the end of the day you're obese balding consumerist troon come here to shitpost because it genuinely upsets you that other people have principles and restraint and don't just empty their wallets because they saw a character they know. Go back to jerking off while playing FF14 and try not to kill yourself be Star Trek comes out
>>98665241>>98665266I've never seen a sweaty bracket 2, but man I wish bracket 3 wasn't such a lucking leap.Ending a game on turn 6 is just fucking insane, and of course every autismo in the hobby takes it as permission since it's in the guidelines.I think it's extremely warped by "content creators" who want to keep a video'd commander game to around 1h 30mins with space for ad reads, explaining what is going on, and talking heads. Of course Command Zone is the worst for this,. but other channels follow their lead. The phrase "just shuffle up and play again!" gets thrown around a lot too, by people who are playing way more games than the average person who only gets to play maybe 3 games a week all on a Friday night. If you're playing a lot you probably don't care if games are short or felt like shit to play in, because you can just go to the next one.But either way I really can't understand the obsession with playing the same opening turns over and over again. Turns 1 and 2 people are ramping, turn 3 commanders are coming down, turn 4-6 they're trying to set up the combo. It's so linear and repetitve.I like my games to go to 10 turns.
>>98665665>to keep a video'd commander game to around 1h 30minsand that's with cuts with most. people have started to say shooting themselves is a preferable option to a 2 hour game, which will happen consistently if everyone makes a deck that can actually deal with a board more than once.
>>98665647at the end of the day this is a dead thread created as a hugbox proven by the fact that you can never answer my question, enjoy your tranny jace
>>98665665>Ending a game on turn 6 is just fucking insane, and of course every autismo in the hobby takes it as permission since it's in the guidelines.if one were to read the guideline carefully you would see that the turn 6 2-card combo in b3 is intended to allow people to run their sanguine bond-exquisite blood combo provided *it's not consistent enough* but since it's impractical and silly to make an arbitrary cutoff for consistency (is 10% to combo off on t6 ok? what about 20%? 30%? sol ring for comparison shows up in the opener 8% of the time and people still get mad about that) brackets are best played when you are forced to sandbag (despite what gavin says) until an arbitrary turn Xfor example, b3 would have a clause where you can't go infinite/do an altwincon like thoracle until your natural turn 7 (basically when everyone else has had a turn 6)
>>98665871I don't even see the problem with a 2 hour commander game if its going on because of dynamic gameplay. It's when it's 5 boardwipes, or brutal stax that it becomes unfun to play. But I don't get the fucking golf mentality. Why would I want to objective of commander to be playing the least amount of commander possible?>>98666383Brackets 1-4 all just want 1 or maybe even 2 turns added to the projection of when games would end. It would help the format immensely
>>98667097they've convinced themselves of the mentality that all turns are created equal, so therefore faster games=more games=more turns=more fun
>>98667097>what turn to combo offb1: turn 10b2: turn 9b3: turn 7b4: turn 5b5: turn 1this is just by reading the rules + reading gavin's articles + putting common sense to avoid retarded arguments like "my deck isn't THAT consistent it should be allowed to combo off turn 4!"
>>98664999Who gives a shit about "the mainstream"?
>>98667484You do, that's why you made a containment thread in the first place
>>98664790>You can choose not to believe me, but I am telling you there are people at WotC for whom the success of UB is their own successNo, I believe you on that, it was just the Into the Omenpaths explanation that was bollocks, as I explaned in the post you replied to.
>>98665156>newfag retard that doesn't even try to engage beyond commanderLots enjoy the lore, faggot. We have a thread for it here, and that's just rhe people on 4chan that hate UB enough. Yes, the miss to all hell some times, but I will take the wins over the literally nothing in the UB sets with completely unfitting themes.
>Post Worldwake>Thinking Magic lore means anything, let alone enough to be pissy about any supposed watering down of the lore.
>>98668946>Lots enjoy the lore>it's just 4chan who hates the lore>the lore totally has fitting fantasy themes like aetherdrift edge of eternities and murders at karlov manor!you can like the lore, but never say it's gonna move merch or that the netflix series is gonna be made in two weeks or something
>>98665665>the average player gets to play every weekI only get to play once a month or so if I'm lucky...Me and my buddies just play something around the 2/3 power level, and games almost always go to turn 10. If it ends earlier than that than whoever caused that probably ian't gunna be playing that deck again (it's happened to three of mine).
>>98668978I didn't say 4chan hates the lore, I said this is a slow thread because it contains onoy people who go on /tg/ and hate UB. That is a small amount.>it has fitting themes like all these set that happened in the last few years since UB has been introduced!For one, I did say they miss sometimes. For two, it's quite odd that the number of trash sets dramatically increased once UB started being worked on. Funny how that works.Still, we have had good sets every year, and whipe the story has been up and down, I and many others have still enjoyed it.>never say it's gunna move merchI never did say that, no. It does not have mainstream appeal, and having UB sets is not going to increase mtg merch sales.
>>98669046>the number of trash sets dramatically increasedwe get trash sets well before UB, which is almost always the 3rd set of the old block structurewe didn't need UB to get such incredible sets like>dragon's maze>saviors of kamigawa>prophecy>born of the gods>battle for zendikar
>>98669091I enjoyed apl of those for what they were, and 1 set a year being less good is not the half the sets being awful. This is the first year since 2023 where all the sets will be good, and there's only 3 (again, because of UB.
>>98667143>this is just by reading the rules + reading gavin's articles + putting common senseOfficial guidelines say different >>98665665
>>98670845>he didn't carefully read the rules>he didn't bother reading the articles>he doesn't have common sensepretty much on par for the containment thread
>>986708611. No, you have misunderstood the available material. I have linked you to the fucking post with the brackets sheet and it says clear as day what turn people should be losing or winning.2. Even if we suppose you're right and the whole world is wrong (which isn't the case by the way), all that matters is everyone else's understanding of the brackets because by the time theyre at the table their deck's already built.
>>98670874>please don't kill me with fynn the fangbearer on turn 4 please the brackets told me so!1. you lack common sense2. it's not my problem retards can't understand rules and their implications, I will ult liliana dreadhorde general right in your face and it is 100% not MLD
>>98670886Intense autism
>>98670913i accept your concession, open wide buddy boy
Would any of you be interested in a Planar standard tournament? I've never TOd an event before but I kinda want to try
>>98670986Online?
>>98664631I hope more EoE gets released. I'm curious how the setting will turn out now that Jace has been Ack'd and what, if anything, this will do to get Bolas free (or whatever the fuck Tezzaret plans to do)
So how much of the Echoverse actually survived this rushed story line? I feel like Monday last week they finally explained the setting, and by Friday they were saying Jace is dead and Emrakul ate everything.But did any new versions of characters survive?
>>98671002Yeah, using either the mtga extension or cockatrice
>>98671383Why not FORGE?
Is just the last white male planeswalker? Did they really kill them all off?
>>98671362I don't think we have any confirmations, but I have to imagine some of them did.Are there any narcisist characters that we can have cards in the future that are just "[x] and [x]", like with the mother of machines cards? Maybe they fall in love even.
>>98672373Ajani is white ;)
>>98672373Recently I was watching a modern Bri'ish murder mystery. 5 suspects, 3 of them were brown, 2 were white males. I said that it wouldn't be any of the minorities and then took a 50-50 guess between the 2 white men. Called it right.
>>98672373ajani is a furry first and foremost
>>98671362I doubt it. They explicitly weren’t complete people and were basically just illusions that he was going to make real with the overlay.
>>98672531>”Bri’ish media”>look inside >(((Jewish media)))
daang, all the color hosers are kinda bad
>a new multiversal threat appears, does evil stuff, the heroes search for and find the MacGuffins to defeat it, there's a climactic final battle, the threat gets defeated and wiped out>all within the space of one setI think that's a new record. To top it, next time they'll have to do two multiversal threats at once.
>>98674313Bolas riding Emrakul with Elesh Norn's head stapled to the front like a hood ornament
I heard they killed Jace. Dang. I remember when this guy was THE card to open. And all the smart cool nerds played him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpGFkuC779o
>>98673818I have no idea what this even means
>>98674313It's frustrating too because it didn't even need to end that way. An Echoverse is such a useful concept for any time they want to play with colorshift or alternate timelines in future.Could have had it where Jace is defeated and the Echoverse is contained so it won't overwrite the multiverse, but it continues to exist almost like a planar Vesuva and just occasionally spits out variants of things on other planesBut nooooo. Fucking eaten by a jellyfish.
>>98676768there was this maro teaser about having color hosers in the set but of course I made the critical mistake of expecting anything interesting or impactful out of it
>>98676877Oh literally just flanderization of each color's "thing" on a 2 mana uncommon. That's a shame.That shit has never been playable in the first place, what were they thinkiiiiing?
>>98676895>That shit has never been playable in the first placeyou are a fucking idiot
>>98677531Overrated card. You're casting it for the "spells can't be countered" part anyway
>>98677537>so overrated it was banned!yeah keep digging that hole you put yourself in idiot lmao
>>98677531Never is definitely an overstatement, but this is exceptional because it protects so absurdly well specifically from counter spells and removal, which is something green wants to do, while also cantriping, all for G.
>>98677537Protects your permanentsProtects your hand against targeted disruptionIf timed correctly can completely protect against storm or fizzle them partway through a combo turnProtects your graveyard from target player effects such as Boggart TrawlerCan be card neutral, functioning as a cycler at worst
>>98675941This was the first planeswalker with FOUR activated abilities.
>>98681345Follow for more MtG facts and lore!
>>98681345They used to only have three abilities because ink was expensive.
>>98677537It is overrated, but only because bluefags are in total control of wotc.
>>98674594Stop coming up with gay Avengers Endgame capeshit that actually sounds fucking awesome, we're supposed to make it sound gay like Avengers.
It wouldn't be an in-universe set without WotCeechu!
>>98681544
An elf using a x-bow? Disgraceful.
>>98681544I guess it's an alright aristocrats general, but its color restriction is, well, restricted, and its ability is basically just voltron-leaning-- but it doesn't have protection or evasion, so it's really just a free sac outlet. If only it make all your creatyres do this and gave them all -x/-0.
>>98681809It's annoying that so few of the new legends have more than 1 color. Like I know they're mostly uncommon, but come on
>>98681962This set should've been the second and third sets in the Secrets of Strixhaven block but noooooo we need fucking Bendytoots on a Magic card
>>98682004Remove Empower Jace entirely, make a Hexhaven set and a Planar Chaos set, fixed.
>>98681962Might be to counter the "everything is a commander set" narrative? I don't know. It is a very black effect.
>>98682087What's the story?
>>98682129But the could have easily changed the effect to make it white, and make the other Loot URG.
>>98682129>Might be to counter the "everything is a commander set" narrative?The reason people say that is the number of legendaries, not their colors and viability in the command zone>I don't know. It is a very black effect.It's whatever, it could have been dimir, and then you'd have access to a bunch of blue spells that give -X/-0There's no real reason not to do this. The only possible justification is that they're printing a bunch of legendaries at uncommon and Draft will be unplayable if they don't enforce monocolor pretty heavily on these picks.>>98682133You mean the narrative if we ran it the way I said? Idk maybe we don't announce the Echoverse right away, maybe we say there's this counterpart to Hexhaven on a plane no one's ever heard of before and Jace is head teacher. Then in the next set reveal Jace's Wackyverse. All of Hexhaven has been about training his soldiers to invade the multiverse because fuck it WotC has precisely 1 idea for villains in this setting. And then you can do much more with the colorshifting aspect of it without having to fill a bunch of slots with Hexhaven cardsBut we end it with Wackyverse counterparts arguing for their right to live. Maybe the Jacestice League can still kill their reflections, but other counterparts continue to exist, they just get confined to the Wackyverse somehow
>>98682156>But we end it with Wackyverse counterparts arguing for their right to live.God, no. WotC dropped the ball on almost every detail about this set, but that’s one thing that they got right.
>>98684377You can't just type completely indefensible takes purely because they are the inverse of what someone else said and expect replies
>>98684741I didn't expect replies, I simply wanted to state the truth.
>>98681544The funniest thing about everyone hating Loot is that I tolerate him about 10000x more than Jace, who I will be glad to never see again after this set if I'm lucky.
>>98682156>>98684741My man over here arguing for fucking Homestuck as a gold standard of quality.
>>98686840I do not know what a Homestuck is
Remember Fires of Yavimaya?https://scryfall.com/card/pca/92/fires-of-yavimaya
>>98691064Enchantments are harder to remove than creatures
>>98691064>easier to remove>can't be sacced to provide a team-wide buff after blockers are declaredWhat kind of point are you trying to make, exactly?
>>98691064too bad it's not a goblin
I thought we were done with the card spamming
>>98694547You don't like Magic cards?
>>98694547Eh, I'll take the bumps.
How do we feel about this?
>>986992661: abandoning blocks was a mistake2: commander was a mistake
>>98699266i've come to terms with the fact that the game is more or less dead unless you play commander. i haven't sold my cards though primarily because a lot of the pieces are irreplaceable, hold a lot of sentimental value, and i still enjoy goldfishing ad naus storm.
>>98699266As a commander player I hate in because it means people are more likely to build a UB commander. I myself have a few, though I proxy them to be in-universe.
>>98629329I weep at the state of mtg.
>>98677537retard
>>98700527My first commander deck was a modified version of the Meren precon and commander is at its best when mtg isnt pandering to it.
>>98701256>commander is at its best when mtg isnt pandering to itThat's why I build predh decks. I'm out here imprinting Signal Pest on a Prototype Portal and losing games. Fantastic experience honestly.
>>98701304I would build preedh but there are so few commanders for it. Genuinely single digits for 3 color combinations.
