My name is MURDER, did you not KNOW editionPrevious thread: >>98634446>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/1accdP>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: If you could make a custom titan, or give a current titan some kind of makeover, what would you do?
What is the Mechanicum equipment of infantry defending artillery? Their actual artillery units seem quite capable of Frontline combat themselves.
>>98649303>tqGive the Warhound some defensive guns, even just some heavy stubbers under its chin.And some anti-air missiles on its back.And release it in plastic at 28mm scale.
>>98649592that whole mouth grill could be a big flamer without much fuss
>>98649730Anon, the whole head is the cockpit. There is zero room behind the grill for a flamer plus fuel tank, never mind the issues that putting such a huge fire hazard inside/right next to the electronics that control the titan would cause.You'd be an amazing model designer for 40k though.
>>98649303>TQ: If you could make a custom titan, or give a current titan some kind of makeover, what would you do?New release with all Lucius patterns
>>98649802Nonsense, Anon, there's plenty of room. Plenty.
How fun is Adeptus Mechanicus?How hard is it to get a game of it online, over TTS for example?When will we ever get xeno releases?
>>98649592I think it would be Funny(tm) to give the Warhound arms. Could give it powerfists or lightningclaws or something, call it a Werewolf pattern. Entire shtick is CCing other titans.
>>98649303>TQI would turn the Warmaster into terrain and a mission objective to sabotage it. That thing does not belong at this scale.
>>98649802The tubes could run along the edges and have barrels with igniter mounted on the outside with zero encroachment on the cockpit. The fuel tanks could be under the main carapace.
>>98649891I dislike Lucius but I think it would be nice to have the variety. Especially if a guy with all beetlebacks (are they Mars pattern? I'm not up to date on the lore) plays against a guy with all Lucius.
>>98649490Even Mechanicum chaff is T5. Against things like thunder hammers they'd rather need support than bodyguards. They're not guardsmen.
>>98649891Hell yes. I dug out my titans and am getting back into painting them. I wish I didn't use cement on my reavers so I could print lucius plates.
>>98650274Are these the old FW ones?
>>98649490Mechanicum, as the army exists does not have artillery in the traditional sense. The closest equivalents would be myrmidon destructors and thanatars, both of which are obviously capable of protecting themselves, of the krioses and karacnos, which are closer to assault guns supporting a grinding advance. What would be artillery would be the skitarii/tech guard, which don't have real rules because GW is a bunch of whiny bitches.
>>98650424I think Castellax Destructors also fit in there>supporting a grinding advanceI think this is the key phrase. If the squads you mentioned are supporting someone else's advance ...then which Mechanicum squads are those?Mechanicum seem a great allied faction...but they don't appear to have any normal squad, as they are all supporters:>Scouts that go ahead of your forcesThallax and Vorax >Big guys that anchor your forcesThanatars, Myrm- & Castellax-Destroyers>Linebreakers Myrm-Secutors, Ursarax, Castellax>Cannon fodderThrallsWho is the Mechanicum they all give support to?
Any anons run seekers, how strong are they, do you run 5 or more man squads?
>>98650424They used to be able to get all the cool artillery tanks. But no, that was too much fun.
>>98649303>Warhound>Reaver-sized gorilla-arm fists with knuckles on floor>pug head>heavy avenger cannon/ volkite scour carapace mount>Optima-class Scout Titan
>>98650525>Who is the Mechanicum they all give support to?Legion allies.
I am building a mechanicum list. I'm also kind of retarded.Tell me, how badly will I gimp myself if I'm too stubborn/stupid to engage with cyberthuergy and just build my priests as unga-bunga shooting/beat-sticks?
>>98650607I believe them having Minotaurs and "Reductor Non-descript Artillery" was merely a placeholder while they were coming up with things besides Krios tanks. Like the Karacnos.
>>98650640Shooty Techpriests? What's so shooty about one guy with a meltagun or flamer? C-Beams got downscaled into Conversion Beamers and restricted to Magos-class characters. No rotor cannons either - gotta use Maxima bolters...or else!
>>98650625Or SolAux allies.Or maybe even skitarii allies, because they have to be taken as allies as well for some fuckass reason.
>>98650648I won't accept that mockery of Skitarii. Their Volkite guns are worse than actual Volkite chargers, aren't they? I get what they were trying to do, but idk
>>98649592No, do not be like nu gw which puts guns on every free square cm of the model. Just to add fire power to sell the prosuct. Classic enshittification.
>>98650702Uh oh Dire Chicken
>>98650647This nigga hasn't blasted a champion ro death for daring to step to the real masters of war
>tqplasma and volkite guns for 28mm reavers and warbringers
Oh wow! Mechanicum have a detachment with 4 Support slots, and they have 3 types of Support squads: Castellax, Thallax and Thralls (not counting their ZM versions).And NONE of them may share the detachment with each other, as detachments must be units with the same trait, which none of them share (Cybernetica, Reductor and Lacrymaerta).I'm tired of this dumb shit. Home rules it is.
>>98650672>Volkite guns are worse than actual Volkite chargers, aren't they?nope, 33% longer range and same stats, and they come with a sharp bit to stab a bitch upyou can even make them Deflagrate (6) if you're not an asshole
>Mechanicum score their Line-equivalent from attaching Comptroller characters to units>Myrmidon units can only ever score 1 VP from objectives, because they're Vanguard Bruh
Morning all. I'm sick as a dog and I just wanted to ask you this one thing: how deeply do you go into your Legion's gimmick (special units notwithstanding) when you design your armies? Do you prefer special snowflakes or endless rank and file soldiers?
>>98650643But weren't they available rules-wise long after the karacnos became a thing?I'm leaning more towards the "they got cut because GW isn't selling designated kits for them" alternative, which is very much a trend in 3.0 when they got removed.Retarded shithead execs.
>>98650826Just play 2.0, 3.0 hasn't added anything of worth anyways, just actively removed large parts of the game.
>>98651029But minotaurs did have a proper model, what's their excuse? D:Though I think they were legends by 2E
>>98651036Not a "mechanicum" minotaur.Which means they weren't allowed to exist according to upper management's arbitrary corporate rules since they are separate lines or some shit.
>>98651043I think 1.0 had a rule where you could use any Superheavy and say it was property of the Autokrator (they build everything), and you could give them Mechanicum options.It was a time of legend
>>98651043>>98651065Best Mechanicum rules would be they can use any Imperial vehicle (don't space marines build their gear themselves?). And you'd still not care about bringing things like Russes because you'd be too spoiled with Krioses and Onagers.
>>98651034I agree with this, screw 3.0
>>98650990If by "gmmick" you mean the flair each legion has, a decent amount. Wolves are the worst for this I feel, but that's just my own bias I suppose. I've always wanted to try my hand at making my own custom units like the ones shown in the exemplary battles, the trick is to not make them super special mary sues but just a particular unit to fill a particular niche.
>>98651034>>98651123New editions release new (marine) units. Backporting them is a hassle.Otherwise I'd just steal 3.0's volley and disordered charges from non-Assault transports and call it a day.Somehow it feels easier to restore deleted things into 3.0?
>>98650990I'm literally Vandoth
>>98650826>can't understand the detachment system>been trying for over a yearman you should play Blood Bowl or Necromunda you fucking idiot, the concept of running a roster for those games would destroy your puny brain
>>98651147Those "new" units existed back in 1.0 in fandexes like in the mournival project, not all maybe but it's not that hard to port them back one edition. If you like 3.0 go a head, it's not for me tho.
>>98651197The game should be easy to understand, the 3.0 list building sucks.
>>98651235>The game should be easy to understandArguments like this is how you end up with... whatever 40k has become. Nothing good for sure. You're a human, with a functioning brain, right? This should mean you have the capability to learn, use it you lazy bum.
Recovering from knee surgery today so expect some shit posts and topics of questionable value because I literally have nothing better to do>Topic one: abominationKratos turret ring fits araknae perfectly, I which is circumstantial evidence the designers discussed it as a new unit for a journal tactical
>>98651235it is easy to understand
>>98650916Are you seriously crying you cant have an army of only myrmidons? A unit that both doesent need priests attached to work and which can reliably score vanguard at range?
>>98650826Oh wow! The apex detachment for taking thallax is only for thallax? Thats so weird!Admech players have to be the softest retards in the world, crying that their overtuned units have the minor limitation of "you have to stick to the flavor of broken you picked, rather than mix and matching to your hearts desire"
>>98650990I have basically every one of my legion specific units in my lists, but id say I go for a pretty well rounded force. Not a particular fan of gimmick lists.
>>98651263I assume youre joking, but I would be fine with it. Literally just stick the araknaes autocannon on a kratos and call it a day, maybe fuck with the pts costs a little (and remove the option for a decurion locus/pintle).
>>98650344No, 3rd party resin prints from years ago
Did a little painting
>>98651495>I wish my Magos could hang out with Myrmidons without it being an anti-synergy>"So YoU wAnT oOpS aLl MyRmIdOnS?!"Mfw anon has no reading comprehension.Fury of Ages exists specifically for Myrmidons, hence they are meant to be supported by Cybertheurgists, all of whom have Comptroller (X), which directly clashes with their Vanguard (X).
>>98651599Scale creep has been a tragedy for the setting, when even something as enormous as the Leviathan Dreadnought is considered kind of medium
>>98651604First: fury of the ages has a range, he does not need to be in the unit to cast it.Second: the benefit of fury of the ages is the fury of the ages, if you are taking a magos for that synergy then they already provide that synergy. Cry me a river that your myrmidons dont get to have line + vanguard.
>>98651509>Oh wow! The apex detachment forIdiot. It's Aux Taghmata cohort, not Apex Thallax command.
>>98651197Over a year? But I started reading today>>98651251>>98651370It is easy to understand. I disagree with it. You can do both.
Does GW ever write rules or scenarios as a thank you for long time support? Like , we know you have bought our line X, you can't play it in our core w40k game because it is ment for modern players, but if you want to play your full Nam style Catachan army, here is a set of death world army lists, along side rules for deadly plant life that you convereted for the 3ed Catachan Codex. Do they do stuff like that anymore? Like 13th Company was designed as a thank you to all those SW players that bought double the kits to build SW units to have cool looking Grey Hunters and Blood Claws, and then GW released rules for even cooler Wulfen and Grey Slayers.
>>986516286" range and it works in melee. I will not keep the Magos in a separate unit, just attach him like he always used to be.>the benefit of fury of the ages is the fury of the agesIdiot ^2
>>98651662People who allow others to play Mechanicus against them should be shot.
>>98651662>Fury of Ages can be used on Myrmidons locked in combat >But the caster cannot be locked in combat himself >And if the caster uses the power in the charge step, the entire unit may not Volley fireYikes. I hope you brought a SECOND TRIAROS for the Myrmidax Magos you're NOT attaching to your Myrmidons bro lmao
>>98650002The book Titanicus has Warhounds equipped with lances they use to gut warlords in melee
>>98651739why would a warhound do that. Melee equiped titans should only engage Melee equiped Titans, and vice versa for shoting ones. Otherwise it goes against the chevalieric ethos of being a Princeps.
>>98651662>I will not keep the Magos in a separate unitOkay?
Dunno what kind of people you talk with, but everybody I know still considers the leviathan to be a large dreadnought.
>>98651832Meant for >>98651618
>>98651535I am joking in the sense that I bring levity and chaos today. But you get the idea that I want to point this beast up and run it since my opponent expressed interest in fighting it
>>98651907Kratos is base 280 pts with either battlecannon or volkite + coax auto cannon. The quad accelator auto-cannon seems like a lateral move so maybe base points remain at 280. It should also lose access to the decurion upgrades for practical reasons. (No turret hatch)
>>98646453One of the EC chaplains featured early has black trim instead of gold as his livery. Just crack open an old RT-era paint guide and extrapolate.>>98650365No one likes Lucius
>>98652240From what he did to his own face, I gather that not even Lucius is Team Lucius.
Can you paint over transfers or does the paint not adhere properly? This is a homemade transfer so it will be covered in modge podge if that makes a difference.I am struggling to freehand an elaborate custom banner design for my World Eaters armoured company and I wasn't sure if I should print a transfer of the outline and fill it in or if I'd be better just printing the outline directly onto my heavyweight art paper.
>>98652240>chaplainsOh! yeah yesterday when I was looking through the RT Compendium, I think, there's a Chaplain painting guide in thereall of them wear black but about half of them wear chapter colours below the waist
>>98652284Yes, you can paint over transfers. At least the ones I've used, dunno if there can be a difference.
>>98652284I haven't tried it myself, but I've seen people do it in painting videos. paint probably adheres just fine to the transfer, but if you cover it in mod podge or varnish it shouldn't matter at all what's underneath it
>>98651263Between drop pods, the various flyers, and land speeders I feel like a dedicated anti air unit more substantial than the whirlwind hyperios would be warrented
>>98652448There's the deredeo. Even its big dick lascannons have skyfire. And those boreas missiles double as pretty neat anti-tank too this edition.All meaningless until GW finally decides to get off its fucking lazy ass and FINALLY make plastic HH flyers and skimmers.
>>98652464How did I forget about the derdeo...
>>98652448The dorito would like a word. Also the xiphon, and the sicaran, and the araknae actually.
>>98652475The araknae can't point up.
>>98651682Delicious marinefag tears
Looking at old minis and wishing, screaming, vomiting
>>98652618You forgot shitting.Also, recasters are, like, a thing, you know?
>>98652618>Enhance....Zoom in....Is that a fucking las cutter? What non vet breacher unit has las cutters?
>>98652618REVTURN
>>98652637People waxing nostalgic over the resin troops are fools. You can talk about the aesthetics all you want but the resin infantry just sucked.
>>98652661Nta but in 1.0 everyone gets access to lascutters in ZM for some ZM points.
>>98651655Nope, GW sucks now.
>>98651655Wrong general.
>>98651251Ok faggot, I just don't see the pointless change of the force org and the removal of the thematic legion rites of war, I don't like it. Suck more GW cock.
>>98652706Mech never had rites of war, tourist.
>>98652688No, I know this is the Heresy of Horus thread. I returned to the game after a 5 or maybe 6 edition break. And it looks like my army can only be played in this game and no longr in w40k.
>>98652746Oof, yeah 40k is constantly having units removed these last few years. GW is doing everything they can get away with to force people to constantly buy new models, they don't give a shit about people who already have a collection. What models do you have? Not everything is compatible with HH.
>>98652746Which army is it? Because I have severe doubts it's playable here. Also GW doesn't write HH rules, SGS does and not a single soul expects anything with the fans' best interest in mind ever coming out again.
>>98652746You can't also play with your 40k army in the HH game.There are significant aesthetic and unit composition differences by design.
>>98652738Nta but in 1.0 there are alternate rules for legio cybernetica and ordo reductor armies in the vein of legion rules, more were planned but then 1.0 went to shit.
>>98651251There's a good middle ground between the extremes of "dense, impenetrable rules that are a headache to disentangle" and "overly streamlined, gutted garbage made for the lowest common denominator retards".Modern 40k goes way too far in the latter direction, but 3.0 is slightly too far in the former.
>>98652746How are people supposed to know this is HH related when none of the examples are HH related and you mention GW?
I'm new and thus ignorant so could some one explain what flavor rites of war gave that is now lost in 3.0? It seems the way the game works now you just take the detatchments you want, like you don't need a rite of war to be an elite terminator force, or fast attack or what have you.
>>98652841what? HH 3.0 is just badly written, but the ruleset is still simpler than the nu40k cognitive nighmare of overlapping layers of unit stats. stratagems, rules, detachments, subfactions, etc. For every streamlined bit, they added tons of complexity and bloat elsewhere. Losing facings and templates did nothing to make 40k easier beyond the noob level.
>>98652872Rites also gave special rules and restrictions, restrictions are fun because they force you to play in a way that you normally wouldn't but better reflects the fluff and special rules helped shitty units not be as shitty as they would be if you attempted to just run the same list without the RoW. That's stuff like drop assault vanguard or recon company, there are also some not as cool RoWs like the court of the crimson king (iirc) one which is Magnus in HQ slot, all termies with teleport and fear because fuck you.
>>98652872Rites of war could add more special rules, that's it. And most people confuse more special rules with more flavour. Rites of war varied wildly in what they actually did. The benefits ranged from basically nothing to game breaking, and the restrictions ranged from non-existent to crippling enough to lose you every game. FW also had a habit of using Rites of War to fix units that were non-functional, which usually meant that if you got pidgeon holed into playing one specific legion if you liked a certain unit (Want breachers that are useful? Better like Imperial Fists)
>>98652910>there are also some not as cool RoWs like the court of the crimson kingAnon, this was most ROWs. Just free buffs with the "downside" of making you spam the thing the ROW rewarded you for spamming anyway. The only ROWs with real restrictions were the generic ones and some of the traitor ones because traitors can't have nice things.
>>98652618Blackshields!
>>98652872Ah! but your terminators wont have the special rules that push the unit! And everyone knows thats where the flavor comes in!
>>98651749Your response is idiotic, but I will bite.First of all, it's a chaos warhound versus an imperial one. Second, the warlord had its own melee weapons, but it was trying to shoot it down, it got cornered and forced into close action with the warhound. Second, Princeps aren't fucking knights or following the 40k Imperial Knight bullshit
>>98652991Then it wasn't a problem of extra rules as much as it was a balance problem.
>>98653289NTA but that's why (machine) god created Inferno Guns and Melta Lances.There are a bunch of wacky and great titan weapons from original AT/AT2lEpic I'd love to see added more than Warhound CCWs. Drop pod launcher cannons, head guns and launch rails for some Secutarii in a low rider Land Speeder to name a few.
>>98653338I just don't think there is a good reason why the shock lance can't be used as, you know, a lance. They have already created weapons with a dual shooting/melee profile (warmaster iconoclast graviton fist) no reason they can't for a warhound.
>>98653338Why does staying alive by the bee gees start playing when looking at that gif?
>>98652988>Want breachers that are useful? Better like Imperial FistsI'm still convinced John French made the regular breachers worse just to make his Imperial Fists unit more special, the wardens special rules are something that very clearly should have been on the regular breachers but just were exclusive to an IF special unit for no reason.
>>98651251Maybe you would have a point if 3.0 didn't read like a first draft ai-slop.
>>98653676We can only hope that one day, French will have to pay for all his crimes against Warhammer.
>>98653814Qrd on this French guy?
>>98653846He's a Black Library author: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/John_FrenchHe worked on the Black Books AKA the current HH game 1st edition (but the wiki doesn't mention it)Among his pet factions and characters, he was responsible for the early HH Imperial fist stories. Hint: Sigismund used to have hair before this dude's work on the HH
>>98653814>Oh you want your superhuman extremely elite space warriors to be able to form a shieldwall with their giant rectangular shields?>Too bad! Only this specific super feared hyper elite of the elite super special unit of space warriors can pull off the arcane and barely understood art of making an interlocking shieldwall! The regular space warrior superhumans are simply too dumb!
>>98653895Blast from the past:>Horus Heresy Weekender 2017 - Burning of Prosperohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ_TK_SGbyo
>>98653895God i hate egomaniacs
>>98652284You can. You should probably blast the area with a very thin layer of varnish first, just to make sure the transfer doesn't lift or rip.>>98651263Makes sense to me.
>TQA fast medium sized titan it can take two warhound weapons in its wrists and has blades fie hands, it looks like a war hammered version of time shadow
>>98651509Mechanicum are pretty weak in 3.0, they die pretty easily and run away a lot.
>>98650702That's why I just said Defensive gun hanging from chin and missile rack on back.Not "stubbers attached to each arm, and armpit, melta nipple guns, plasma cannon cock gun, twin--linked bolters coming out of each knee, heavy flamer toe guns"
>>98649303>a rocket that uses warp travel to appear in front of or even inside the targetthis reads as bullshit because all weaponry might as well work this way. and aren't void shields supposed to block warp travel/teleportations? either way, how do they perform on the table and your headcanons? to me they are just regular rockets that slow down right before hitting a titan so they float through the shield instead of going splat. alternatively they have a void/force shield of their own that cancels the target's shield while sacrificing its volume that would otherwise be 100% TNT. and the warp part refers to the type of explosive (read: vortex missile).
>>98653999They miss about 90% of the time. Vortex missiles are great fun though.
>>98653999>this reads as bullshit because all weaponry might as well work this wayI mean, if they COULD they would. But there are practical reasons you cant have handheld bullet teleporters (mind you: it is possible, thats what the shock attack gun is)
Let walords take 4 carapace vortex missiles again
Also let warbringers have carapace plasma annihilators.
>>98653999if void shields blocked warp travel you'd have to turn them off mid-combat before jumping your ship into the warp, a thing we've literally never heard ofgeller fields should block the warp/teleporters but they're something elsea missile that can't be intercepted (which is implied to be part of your hit roll failure rate, not just "shot was off target") is a very useful thing
>>98652872>now you just take the detatchments you wantNo - you take the detachments you can AFFORD; big difference.Now you need lots of HQ to afford the army you want, much to GW's joy (HQ are their biggest earner$).Essentially this rant is a tax increase: I didn't mind paying 1 HQ + 2-3 Troops because I was already going to take those.But now I gotta take 2 Magi if I want to bring one transport. This was a one-man operation, who's the other guy? Now I gotta rework my list to give the second guy a retinue.That's not the list I want - it's the list GW wants me to want.This is especially noticeable with Mechanicum because, unlike Marines, they don't have lieutenants or specialists: GW decided to make Techpriests be Troops instead, and deleted their actual troops (Castellax, Thallax, Thralls). And then made it so they can't share a detachment.It's as if you wanted Breachers and Tacticals, so you had to take a Centurion (Magos) to bring one det. with Tacticals (Thallax) and another one with Breachers (Castellax).Then take another Centurion for a Land Raider (Triaros), because your army has no Rhinos.>But you could use a LogisticalAlready using it for Terminators (Myrmidons) - that's who's going in the Heavy Transport.Your Optae are troops and don't unlock detachments, by the way. Enjoy!
>>98653999they don't teleport they have their own warp drive that they activate. I can see how that would disrupt/get past a void shield as voids don't block the warp, geller fields do that, they just transport the energy from weapons striking them into the warp (and presumably prevent a teleport locus being acquired through them but idr if that's ever explained). a warp missile is translating from the warp into the target while the void shield works the opposite wayReally if void shields stopped anything warping into them no niggas would ever get subsumed into a spacehulk or die horribly from translating form the warp into the same space as another object.
>>98654241>Waaaaah I have to bring more than one single commander waaaaaahThis is literally something only you have an issue with. Everybody who actually plays the game has always had more HQ than they were legally allowed in a list. Because swapping around characters keeps things interesting, they're easy to convert/kitbash, but most of all because people think characters are cool. And since times immemorial, they complained about not being able to bring more than 3 HQ choices. Now they finally can. There's even a reason to take a centurion now, where in previous editions there was literally zero reason not to spend the +15 points or whatever to upgrade them to a consul. Most lists that I've seen people play still have more command choices than they need for detachments. This was a change the players wanted, if you don't want to have to bring commanders go play 40k or AoS or something.
>>98654241You're a retarded marine player, 75% of your mech army fits in your apex and your magi are the lynchpin of your army anyway, and the most fun models to convert that you'll take any excuse to run more of. This is like a tyranid player complaining he has to take synapse creatures.
>>98654241Anon, the average player already had far more Hqs than they could ever use, character models are the most ubiquitous models people tend to have relative to how many they need (and the cheapest to get if you dont have them, because you can literally just take a dude with a power sword and say "praetor with paragon blade")What the fuck is this schizophrenic bullshit. >admechAll of their units are bullshit overtuned, thats the trade off. You cant have your breachers AND your terminators easily because both of those units are extremely powerful specialists with the inherent balancing act of "opportunity cost in things they dont do" rather than pts (where they are all criminally undercosted). The reason admech arent allowed to soup easily this edition is because they get to be insanely broken at what they choose to do, which means if they could ALSO cover their weaknesses on top of that it would be too much.
>>98654398Actually, its even better than that. The current default loadout for a character is (in the case of centurions and praetors) a bolter. You can literally just take a tactical with a fancy hat and call it a day.
>>98654357>>98654398Don't you want multiple magi anyway with Mech? For cybertheurgy and battlesmith, amongst all the other stuff they do?
>>98654444I'm really hopeful about regular Techpriests, I think they will be sufficient for babysitting CastellaxMy one fear is that, as the game is shorter, Myrmidons will need a transport to get anything done in time.
>>98654552I doubt that. Objectives are in no man's land, even my saturnine command squad makes it to the mid field in time. And those fat fucks are slow as hell. And that's a melee unit.
>>98654552Anon, myrmidons have GUNS
>>98654552oh yeah, tech priests will be fineput a cortex controller and cyber familiar on em and get used to invoking Programming Interrupt, Combat Veterans helps with that tooit's free Return Fire
How are melee vet breachers with lascutters? Is it alright to run them in 5 man squads? I was thinking running them with power weapons and some cutters
>>98655565that's a pretty good place for the smoke launchers
>>98655565Man that door shrinkage is awful
>>98655576I figured in reality, theyre like a one time use thing, so you pop them off, run in through the smoke, all your infantry run out then you blast the flamer for some cover. If it melts the smoke tubes, oh well, theyve already been used.>>98655578Ive noticed WTG isnt the best for FW doors, though I havent seen any better from any other recasters either sadly....
>>98655582I've always wished there was an option to replace smoke launchers with a one time grenade salvo
>>98655582None of them are going to be good, it's a recast of an already cast door, and resin shrinks when it's cast, so you're buying something twice shrunken.
>>98655595If the rules were smart, I dont see why that couldnt be a thing. Figure smoke grenades and frag/krak have to be similarly sized....>>98655597Not always true. Most of the legit FW doors ive used were always a little too big, NEVER too small.
And now a rhino. Figure the "later" model had to be used at some point in the heresy/great crusade, right.....r-right....?
>>98655659Of course.
>>98655595>>98655601While cool, assault launchers as an actual weapon with one-use profile existed in 40k 8th edition. This makes you a 40k sympathizer. I am so sorry, anon.Cool things cease to be acceptable for 30k when 40k does them. That is the law around here.
>>98655659The mars pattern Rhino pre-dates the fucking Imperium itself anon. It's also in artwork in the black books, and not even the later ones.
>>98655717https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU
>>98655529Amazing, they've been talked about quite extensively already. You must have been living under a rock, lol.
>>98655741I'm new around here I must've missed it
>>98651599Excellent paintjob, will be saving for my own reference.
>>98655728Nope. The Mars Mk.II Rhinos were a late GC pattern.And even the original mk.1 Rhino (the one from RT/2e) was the result of the alliance with Mars.There were older Rhinos and variants across the galaxy, but the ones that got models were all Imperial
>>98652795I have 20 Wulfen. 40 Grey slayers in units of 8 with special weapons. A Rune Priest, Wolf Priest and Wolf lord, 4 Rhinos, 15 Long Fangs with Rocket Launchers , 30 Blood claws in two units of 15. I also have and unsensible number of terminators. Even when I did not play every few months I would just buy a box of regular or relic terminators and kitbash a unit of 5-10 I think I have like 80-100 of them. With all legal and illegal weapon combinations. Swords and bolters, claws, claws and axes, hammers, maces and relic guns a full 10 man unit of various Rune Priests in relic terminator armour with force weapons taken from various kits. Oddly enough I have exacly zero land raiders lol.>>98652800I have a 13th company/Space wolf army.>>98652808Well that is sad to hear. I was told that grey slayers and all the terminators, relic terminators and heros exist as a unit in Horus Heresy. The tanks too. If not then I guess I will have to look more in to building armies in the game.>>98652849From what I was told Grey Slayers and Heros for Space Wolves are the same they were in the 13th company list. Wulfen too. The whole army concept was a HH army in w40k, when it came out in Eye of Terror book.
>>98656252Space wolves are the 40k factin that got hit the least by the primaris changes, AFAIK.You could probably play 40k with your SW with minor adjusments, or changing their loadouts. Even with Rhinos being Legends now.It would be a lot easier that make those work for the HH.
>>98653905Not really interested in the french discussion but there was a generic RoW for this in 1.0 which lends credibility to the theory that when Bligh was alive he kept French in check.
>>98656293\thanks. I will try to get a hold of the rules and make some many terminators+grey slayers list. maybe get a few land raiders. from what I have been told at the store, they play really big games with HH around here .
Since we're on the topic of Wolves, I was wondering: did the TSons cause regular Swolves to mutate into Wulfen during the Burning of Prospero, or were pre-existing Wulfen just brought into that battle? Or both?
>>98656669"During the planetary assault on Prospero, the extreme psychic backlash, warp-sorcery used by the Thousand Sons, and the chaotic ferocity of the combat acted as a massive catalyst.The Space Wolves didn't just stumble into battle; pushed to their absolute limits, they actively unleashed their hidden Wulfen packs into the fray against Magnus's sorcerers.The sheer concentration of warp energy on the doomed world forced the latent curse to erupt in a large number of legionnaires simultaneously—notably devastating elements of the Space Wolves' 13th Great Company, who subsequently vanished into the Warp while pursuing retreating traitors"So both.
I wish the current Wulfen didn't suck so much ass, but I suppose I can harvest it for parts. Having modified power armour to fit their weirdly shaped bodies all dressed up in ceremonial markings instead of a slutty summer powersuit would be a definite improvement.
>>98656827Your Mk3 version looks very nice anon.
>>98656827What do the metal wulfen models go for these days? Still got around 20 of them laying around gathering dust.
>>98649303Is there a size difference between the swords in the melee upgrade kit and the one in the tactical sprue?
>>98656827>current WulfenFun fact, some of their shoulder pads are also Tartaros Terminators shoulder pads.Why? Who knows, but it's the same with the Greigor Fellhand mini. They're technically the only Tartaros upgrades still not OOP
>>98656878Those aren't tartaros shoulder pads, just have a remotely similar shape. Tartaros has those discs on the front corners, and doesn't have that small secondary part attached directly to the outer rim like the wulfen shoulderpads.
>>98656900Take a tartaros termie and one of those, i guarantee you they fit with minimum shaving of the inner side, and they 100% look like Tartaros bits
>>98656906I am not saying all of that isn't true. They just aren't tartaros terminator armour shoulder pads, just like Mk II shoulder pads aren't Mk IV shoulder pads even though they share a lot of similarities.
>>98656934Just because they don't come labeled like that, doesn't make they less so, anon.They aren't standard PA shoulder pads, that's for sure. They're scavenged.
>>98656878Fun fact, you can drink electricity.How? Who knows but you can fill a bucket with it and scoop it up with a glass annd drink it. You can also eat it.
>>98656827Swapping out the furry legs really does do a lot. Imagine if rampagers were bare beneath the knee and had cloth loincloths, they'd look similarly silly
>would like to do a raven guard army>already doing a traitor army with lots of dreads and tanks so would like to do fire raptors, xiphons, scimitars, javelins etc to mix it up.>pretty much none of these are in plastic, in fact GW just keep making up new dreads and terminators instead of making everything plasticI suppose I just need to take the resin pill again.
>>98657198It is infuriating how GW refuses to make plastics for all the cool fast attack units. Still waiting for plastic sabres AND MAKE IRON BULLOCK PATTERN JETBIKES ALREADY, REEEEEEEEEEE
>>98657211I want plastic outriders.
>>98656827the backpacks are pre-primaris and should be fine particularly on MkIV-MkVIthere's detailed armour plates for the legs you can use as tassets, the shields make good combat shields, axe/hammer heads good too; technically it's all HH-appropriate since that's when they disappearedpretty sure those back bolters would work for some VI-allied Mech units toouse the leftovers to make cheerleaders for Blood Bowl
>>98657289Finally, plastic outriders
Despoiler using khorne berzerker parts. I think he looks okay. MIght need to go over and de-trim a bit more (at least removing the spike iconography), but idk, might run them alongside the esoterist so maybe its fine.
>>98657476(hes not actually noticeably bigger than the mk4 marines, hes just standing on a rock and has a leaping pose while the assault marines are hunched down)
>>98657476Sidenote: Are the chaos space marine backpacks kosher for heresy? I cant remember if theyre supposed to be a pattern from back in the day or if theyre a later iteraction.
>>98657493Yeah, anvilus pattern it was a prototype and the forge world turned traitor. I think the lore is they lack radiation shielding but are more maneuverable in zero g.
>>98657606Sick, thanks anon. I plan on using the less chaosy ones in the squad too. Help make it a bit more "irregular" and also so I dont use ALL my mk2 backpacks
Wasn't there a global campaign about the fate of the DG planet Barbarus, or did I imagine that?
>>98652872OK so you used to only get Rhinos as DTs for most of your MEQ units Then there was this thing called Angel's Wrath let you take Storm Eagles instead of RhinosExcept when you played Angel's Wrath your whole army had to fly somehow (jump infantry/jetbikes/infantry in flyers) because the whole point of the rite was airborne deploymentSame thing with Orbital Assault, your entire army had to have Deep Strike because they're coming from space>>98652991Did you read any of the Dark Angels rites from either edition? >>98653065Well yes no fucking shitIf your Legion-specific units don't have special rules you're just taking generic units>>98655749Lascutter Veteran Breachers are basically the benchmark for suicide anti-superheavy because they get 4 S12 D4 attacks in melee but they're kinda shit at fighting normal units because of 2A
Looking to get into HH 3.0 Here are the factions I am considering: Space Wolves>Pros: Vikings in Space>Cons: Alot of units won’t look right due without conventional, wolfy wolf your wolf, your special units are in manlet scale and old resinAlpha Legion>Pros: Cool paint scheme, cool gameplay mechanics>Cons: Negative connotation due to tricky rules, can’t use everything like demon/chaosy looking units like esoterics, your special units are trapped behind conversion kits for OOP models or manlet terminatorsSolar Auxilia>Pros: Guard in Horus Heresy>Cons: So many models, you are regular humans in the super human gameSons of Horus>Pro: Main characters who get all of the toys and can use everything >Cons: Rules seem mediocre and bland, your special units are manlets or upgrade sets for units no longer being sold (justinians)
>>98657910AL lets you take some modeling liberties on borrowing units depending on how you interpret Rewards of Treachery, and canonically they have appeared in various colors. But yeah, legion drip and wargear can be in an awkward place unless you get FW characters or have access to 3D prints.Auxilia at the very least have a Combat Force box that's pretty good for buying repeats and you can work them into being allies for another army with fluffy rules.
>>98657493the chaos greebling can be a little extreme and need trimming; the anvilus packs in the Red Corsairs kit I think are probably fine right off the sprue
>>98657910>manlet terminatorsResin termis are tall, especially the AL ones. Same eye height as plastic MKii
>>98649303>Titanicus CompendiumsDead link. Anyone have the Titanicus and Ligma books?
>>98657883>If your Legion-specific units don't have special rules you're just taking generic unitsYes, because wargear and stats arent a thing! No, they need their special rerolls on sundays or whatever!
>>98657910Don't get into HH.
>>98658473I'll redo the link when I get home.
>>98658596But brother Faggotus Maximus of the Ultra-Cucks, I already have a Legiones Imperialis army and yearn for more.>>98658454Do the new cataphractii work with the justinian arms?
So the forge lord unlocks thallax but he can't use battlesmith on them because they're not automata? Seems weird he unlocks units he can't use his repair on.
>>98659200Anon, you take a forge lord to repair your legion's tanks and dreadnoughts. You know, the thing that is A FORGE LORD'S ENITRE FUCKING JOB?!
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>>98659315Why does he have a>Gurl, slayyyyy kinda vibe? Is it the long nails?
Does anyone have a copy of the liber custodes around? Don't mind 2 or 3e, I'm mostly after the art stuff.
>>98659351The longer the nails, the more blood that can be spilled, silly billy.
>>98659352>Does anyone have a copy of the liber custodes around?Yes.
>>98659352If it's artwork you're after it's Visions and black book 7 you're after. The new books have been absolute garbage when it comes to artwork.
>>98657476Two more despoilers, one with power axe (so I guess thats what the unit(s) will have, power axes as the power weapon, because mixing different kinds feels wrong). Bit heavier on the greebles (shoulder pad + backpack), but it feels sorta in line with NL aesthetic sensibilities to just have skulls and evil faces on shit, theyre not exactly subtle with what theyre about. What should I give the sgt (if anything)?
>>98659434NL seems like a good excuse to put a pair of lightning claws on the sergeant. Those +2 attacks are just amazing.
>>98659447Two issues there:I already put the cool claws on the assault squad sgt (hes there on the right)I dont know if terror squad sgts can take twin claws, if memory serves they cant. And I kind of want to have the unit double as a terror squad if needed. But yea, twin claws is otherwise a good idea. I might go with a legitimate chainblade/glaive for the memes (its not worth it). I also recently bought a bunch of the old GK parts, so I might go with a "paired swords" take on twin LC if I do go for it (not technically WYSIWYG, but theres no other paired weapons so its good enough for me)
>>98659351And the pose on the arm, that "over the top" pointing look like hes showing off his nails.
>>98659461Terror squad sergeants indeed can't have twin lightning claws. I'd give him a chain glaive in that case, just because those are cool.
>>98659503I do have some spare. I also have that cooler (imo) glaive from the nemesis claw kit I was looking to use somewhere, so maybe here is as good a place as any.
One last veteran
Remember how they removed powerfist options from tartaros terminators because they were really obviously not gonna have them in the new kit but it's been over a year and we still don't have the new kit?
>>98659928I think Horus Heresy 3.0 heavily underperformed and they're cutting releases that it was going to get as a result.
>>98659928It's pretty obvious there never was new tartaros kit, that has always been baseless conspiracy. Tartaros not having melee weapon options was the result of shitty rules writing and lack of proper proof reading, both of which are basically tradition at GW. Don't understand why people felt the need to hallucinate a new reason, there's dozens of these kinds of errors every time GW releases new rules.
>>98659928Theres two options>gw was far enough along a new planned release that it affected the rules but not far enough along with a release that some online bitching led to a core product refresh being canned>someone forgot to give tartaros terminators power fists as an oversightPersonally im leaning towards the former ngl.
>>98659928remember how they have lightning claw options and their lightning claws have always been powerfists with claws on the back? you fucking chimp? they variegated the terminators
Are plasma pistols worth it on despoilers?
>>98660250Plasma pistol is generally kinda shit because Breaching (5+) isn't good enough Also counting volley fire you realistically only get to use it twice before you chargeGets a bit better if you play Sons of Horus because they get full BS volley attacks but you still get the feel there's better uses of 5pts
>>98650563>how strong are theyQuite good because S4 Breaching (4+) might as well be an AP2 weapon and Seekers get it at 30" on 2 shots, it's just that Terminators are T5 this edition so you only wound on 5+>squad sizeTake 10 models, they're cheap as fuck for what they do and you don't get that many Elites unless you play DA/AL>>986528413.0 is definitely not complicated as HH editions goRites of War were a thing in previous editions and a bunch of characters gave unit/army buffsEliminating rerolls in 3.0 removed dumb situations where you actively wanted to fail hit/wound rolls so you got more chances to reroll and trigger stuff like Rending
Should I avoid taking a legion champion in terminator armor because of the -1 to focus rolls in challenges?
>>98658473Titan Daddy is here for you, Anonhttps://gofile.io/d/Qiwij4PJ
>it's been this long and we still have a total dogshit "scan" of the auxilia liber and are missing a bunch of journals tacticaBros... I don't feel so good...
>>98660517Oh shit true primarch scale ;__;
>>98660808HA!
>>98657493Yes, anvilus pattern back pack in black book one Betrayal.
>>98657476Mk7 armour huh
>>98657910You can buy big JUSTaerin from tortugabay miniatures, I did that.>>98659315Reminds me of a black womans nails.
>>986599283.0 rules release was a mess
>>98660250If you play 1.0 maybe.
>>98660829How easy was it to make the old mk4 backpack fit?
>>98661098Just had to hollow it out a little bit, cutting around the circle hole, not too bad really.
>>98660250kills MEQ 1/5 on dangerous, 1/7 on safeyou're basically gambling that it'll do more damage to something heavier when you need something that'll do that, but it's not a bad gun
What's this model? Guessing that's a myrmidon but what's he riding?
>>98661275This dick
>>98661282dickadendrites
>>98661284That must be why it's called mechani-cum.
>>98661289Wrong reaction pic lmfao but to answer your question it's an abeyant but it's not the one FW sells as it has some different sections. Probably some conversion like most of the old FW BG pics.
3d printing will save this hobby.
>>98661275https://www.warhammer.com/en-EU/shop/Archmagos-Draykavac-Archmagos
>>98661409Pic unrelated?
>>98661412I want you to suck my shit into your lungs you absolute snotguzzling sewerslut
>>98661422I have scans, I don't need your temu-marines looking stls. Buy an ad.
>>98661411That's clearly not it, it's also from Book 3, before that model was released.Also sidenote I've been randomly banned from Lexicanum and it's annoying as fuck when trying to verify things. Thanks, Cloudflare.
>>98661425You know what you did.
>>98661425my bad, sorry. It seems that it was some kind of kitbash or unreleased model>CloudflareAre you using an VPN? Are you russian
>>98661493I guess it's something cobbled together from random FW terrain bits lost to time>Are you using an VPN? Are you russianNope
>>98661534People have already tried identifying it back when the abeyant magos got released and was different. The general consensul is that it's the prototype so I doubt it's terrain pieces rather than hand sculpted stuff.
>>98649303 (OP)If you could give /your legion/ a fluffy exemplary battles-style unit(s), what would it be?For me, it'd be:>Ashen Circle Outrider Squad>3-10 guys in the Recon slot>Everyone is equipped with an Axe-Rake, Bolt Pistol and Twin Akkadic Flamer (S5 AP4 Panic (3) flamer, mounted on the bike)>The entire unit may exchange their Twin Akkadic Flamer for a Twin Meltagun (S9 meltagun) Not entirely sure on this one, melta-bikers might be busted in 3.0 or Twin Plasma Gun/Warpfire Blaster>Any model may exchange their Bolt Pistol for an Akkadic Hand Flamer (same as the regular Ashen Circle)>Iconoclast (Sergeant) may exchange their Bolt Pistol for an Inferno Pistol or Plasma Pistol/Warpfire Pistol and take Phosphex Bombs>Vanguard (3), Bulky (2), Firestorm, Implacable Advance, Outflank>Same Harbingers of Truth special rule as Ashen Circle (buffing both versions of their flamers)>Bitter Duty but can also be joined by Chaplains, psyker Consuls (Diabolists/Librarians/Esoterists) or Praetors with Burning Lore like how regular Ashen Circle should be>Ashen Circle Jetbike Squadron>3-10 guys in the Fast Attack slot>Everyone is equipped with an Axe-Rake, Bolt Pistol and Akkadic Heavy Flamer (S6 AP4 Panic (2) heavy flamer, mounted on the bike)>The entire unit may exchange their Akkadic Heavy Flamer for a Multi-Melta or Plasma Cannon/Warpfire Projector>Other options same as above>Special rules as above, swapping Firestorm/Implacable Advance/Outflank for Deep StrikeEntirely inspired by some old art I swear I once saw of Word Bearers bikers at Istvaan and pic related which I found while trying to find said art plus the fact I currently wish Axe-Rakes were a legion armoury option so I could put them on my outriders
>>98661424>scansNta but por favor
>>98661568I don't know anon, that just seems kind of schizo. Though I think melee jetbikes outside of lances are retarded anyway.
>>98656187Just because the Imperium slapped a sticker on it didn't exactly mean the design wasn't around before. Predators were used during the DAoT and some of the Imperial ships were recovered from space hulks predating the Imperium.
>>98656906They don't. The wulfen pads are designed to fit Marine sized shoulders while tartaros are designed for terminator sized shoulders. Geigor has the shoulder pad design because old Bjorn art had it. Several pieces of old HH art has marines with a cataphractii style curved shoulder plate on one side.
>tfw we'll never see a plastic macharius because it wasn't technically around during the heresyIt hurts. Please GW, sometimes retcons are alright.
A while ago I wanted to make clean sci fi building terrain ala battletech meant to represent Ultramar before Angron and Lorgar fucked it all up but anons suggested making it grimey in some way. An anon posting Judge Dredd ITT reminded me of a prog where some mutants/various scum are moved from a slum tower into a brand new one and immediately ruin it into another slum tower so I just have to model some of the copy paste apartment buildings like that with spray tags and trash etc. Obviously with 1980s Judge Dredd being wacky af the story ends with their posh neighbor tower's civil defence troops firing a low powered sonic beam cannon at the slum tower causing a mutant coup d'etat that dredd has to hostage negotiate.
>>98661842Yes, lets take one of the few post-Heresy inventions and cram it into Heresy like everything else. Primaris too, while we're at it.
>>98661848It's something cobbled together from existing STCs so something extremely similar could exist already anyway.
>>98661803>>98656878Bingo, it's a visions of heresy reference, not tartaros.
>>98661107Thanks anon I'll do the same, I got some spare and the old ones look nicer.
>>98661858>combine a bunch of different STCs from different sources to make a tank>turns out all the STCs were actually from the same source the whole time
>>98661842Don't some just call it the Lupercal tank or soemething
>Tzeentch Daemons can give enemy units +1 line That's hilarious
>>98661956but why?
>>98661568Ngl both of those feel rather overtuned. Youre taking what is already a potentially very strong unit (ashen circle/a destroyer variant) and putting them on unit types that mitigate a lot of their existing weaknesses (low durability - bikes have 2w - and niche weapons (via universal plasma options and so on)). AND youre giving them character access for some reason, a thing destroyers dont get and shouldnt really get. AND you give them better versions of the already really potent akkadic hand flamers that you proceed to also BUFF. The idea of "Biker ashen circle" can work, but they should be just that, ashen circle on bikes, not getting a bunch of random stuff on top of that.
>>98661963It is peak Tzeentch fuckery, so it makes perfect sense from a thematic angle. But if the model using the special rule fails his willpower check, line on the target unit is reduced by -1, to a minimum of 0, so the idea is probably trying to fail the check on purpose to reduce the enemy's scoring.
Mortalis or assault destroyers?
>>98662019Should just be one profile desu.
>>98662019What do you want your destroyers to do? >Vaporise infantry with double volkite serpentas and/or debuff infantry with rad missile launchers: mortalis destroyers>Throw rad grenades before charging then fuck shit up in melee with some power weapons: assault destroyers
>>98661568>plus the fact I currently wish Axe-Rakes were a legion armoury optionThey would need to be VERY different to work if that were true. Its phage(M) anon, that shit is fucking insane and the ability to just sprinkle it around would be overpowered. As a special weapon for a specific (and niche) unit with clear weaknesses it works, as a thing you now just put in your despoilers? it would be unbearable.
>>98661568This is why people hate homebrew.
>>98661985>AND youre giving them character access for some reason, a thing destroyers dont get and shouldnt really get.Newfag detected, anon's just giving them what they had in the older, better editions
>>98661568>If you could give /your legion/ a fluffy exemplary battles-style unit(s), what would it be?Terrror squad veterans. >elites choice>come with bolt pistol and chainsword (swap bolt pistols for ranged weapons)>sgt melee weapons options + 5ppm chainblades/chainglaives>veteran statline (ws5 3a 2w)>same special rules as terror squad>can swap bolt pistols for ranged options/legion pistols>ranged options are volkite chargers, bolters, shotguns, rotor cannon, flamer20pts.
>>98661985Fair critique, the plasma was just because the bikes normally get it but you're right that adding it is dumb. As for the Akkadic Flamers, that was just trying to work out what bigger versions of them would be.Sole thing I disagree with you on is characters, Ashen Circle not being able to have Chaplains attached is retarded because it was possible back in 1.0 before shrimplified not shrimple kicked in.
>>98662060Bitter duty was a thing in previous editions buddy. But also: I dont really care what destroyers could or couldnt do in previous editions because destroyers sucked (both individually and as a unit type) in those editions, while theyre finally a real unit in 3e.
>>98662067>As for the Akkadic Flamers, that was just trying to work out what bigger versions of them would be.Dont, give them akkadic hand flamers + regular bike loadout. Thats ALREADY really strong because the akkadic hand flamer is really strong.
>>98662067>Ashen Circle not being able to have Chaplains attached is retarded because it was possible back in 1.0And? Just add a prime benefit that a chaplain (with jump pack) can take for bitter duty then. Lets him swap his bolt pistol for an akkadic flamer while hes at it.
>>98661985>AND youre giving them character access for some reason, a thing destroyers dont get and shouldnt really get.>OMG he attached arguably the worst consul to his Destroyers and they now have Cool 10, save me 3.0 bros
>>98662073>>98662079These are both reasonable points, thanks anon(s)
>>98662082>arguably the worst consullmao, nogames>but also>>98661568>psyker Consuls (Diabolists/Librarians/Esoterists) or Praetors with Burning Lore"Yes I gave my super flamer bikes a 3++, no biggie right?"
>>98662082>Chaplain>Arguably the worst consulNogames detected
>>98662087>lmao, nogamesTell me how he's not>>98662069>Bitter duty was a thing in previous editions buddy.Yeah and Ashen Circle had an exemption to let them run with Chaplains
>>98662082I understand youre being retarded on purpose and are also most likely nogames. But yes actually, sticking chaplains where they dont necessarily belong is a potential issue. Destroyers (in general, not specifically ashen circle but also probably them) are glass cannons, they do not have access to nuncio voxes or easy access to characters which means they both die easily (3+ 1w) and are vulnerable to statuses (such as from getting shot). This helps balance the fact that destroyers have insanely high damage output which, due to how they work, they can dish out repeatably and safely (largely via volley fire). Letting destroyers take a cheap, combat effective, consul that mitigates their morale vulnerabilities threatens to change that, and you end up with a resiliant, fast, high damage unit instead. This becomes doubly an issue for the proposed homebrew changes, which would already make them both faster and more durable.
>>98662096>Tell me how he's not>explain to me how the cheap morale stick that is also good at combat is good, please anons I just cant understand how that works!But also>I forgot that the pathfinder exists
>>98662110Anon, you do realise Ashen Circle are a melee unit, right?They're destroyers in name only seeing as they lack the rad grenades/dual pistol volley fire/special weapons options
>>98662116NTA but he's unironically a good duelist option, especially for AL
>>98662119Anon please read their rules. They get to volley fire their (s4 (iirc) ) flamers twice precisely so they can work like destroyers. They are at best a hybrid unit. The axe rakes are there to finish off whats left (ideally against a crippled enemy that fights 2nd because of panic), not be the meat and potatoes. Ashen circle are absolutely destroyers.
>>98662122>he's unironically a good duelist optionHoly no games, is it because you're stuck in the cuck chair for Jamal?
>>98662122The pathfinder? >>98662133/aosg/ is down the hall buddy, you seem lost.
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>>98661796Yes, the Rhino already existed across DAoT survivor civilizationsNo, it wasn't the same as the one used by the Imperium in the game.It's not difficult to understand. Consider the Aurox and the Carnodon.
>>98662131>>98662137>No rad grenades for melting MEQ>No special weapons>Built for melee instead of rad grenade shooting and killing the survivors with pistol volley attack>B-but they're totally destroyers, trust me bro
>>98661803>>98661915Wrong. While it's true that the Visions art inspired it, that art used a Cataphractii style shoulder pad.Meanwhile, the pads found in the Gregor Fellhnaded and Wulfen are the same size and shape as Tartaros left pauldrons.
>>98662143Anon the rad grenades on destroyers are largely cosmetic. The volkites/flamers do far more damage. That twin S4 template per guy on the charge (+ template in the shooting phase) does a lot more than one Ap3 poison 2+ grenade.
>>98662137>It's le bait>Meanwhile he's posting his Amerimutt cuck fantasies
>>98662135>The pathfinder?Yes. Light + Combat Shield = Automatic +2 to his Focus rolls, cancelling out the Thunder Hammer4+ save doesn't matter when every other duelist has AP2 anyway.And with an AL power dagger + shotgun Effrits he gets +4 Focus not counting outside support and the shotguns stunning his victim in advance
>>98662163The dagger only does something if youre using it, it doesent give you +1I on the hammer
>>98662151>Ah yes, I shall spend additional points on flamers/volkites for my destroyers when rad grenades + the bolt pistols is already enough to melt the enemyAre you actually retarded
>>98662176>serpentas80*2/3*2/3*1/3+80*2/3*2/3*1/3*2/3*1/3 = 14.5 >bolt pistol + grenade10*2/3*5/6+20*2/3*2/3*1/3 = 8.5Yes anon, the volkites are simply objectively worth it. Especially since youre taking rad missiles anyways. Im sorry this is how you find out you're bad at maths. But a 70%~ damage increase for +5ppm is well worth it.
>>98662172Oh no yeah, AL variant drops the Hammer entirely for the Power Dagger.He'll have +4 to +6 to Focus and the other guy will be at I1 so you can pretty confidently use Grandstand to go to 8 attacks (4 + 1 for Paragon of Battle + 2 for the converted Outside Support + 1 for winning the Focus roll)>>98662195Not the guy you're arguing with but how is >>98662099 and >>98662133 not cuckshit?
>>98662202Why grandstand over finishing blow or even just fury of blows? +2A is the average fury result anyways and this way you dont lose the +2 to focus. And finishing blow moves you from D1 to D2.
>>98662176NTA, but Are YOU? Volkites are their best upgrade, a mere 5 points a model to double their firepower and get +1 strength for a miniscule decrease in range when you're trying to get danger close anyway. Not even twin hand flames are a poor choice with access to rad grenades pre charge, but they're held back by having to prevent friendly fire and the fact that most people aren't running big units after artillery buffs.
>>98662207Yeah my bad on that one
>>98662199>serpentas + grenade40*2/3*5/6*1/3+40*2/3*5/6*1/3*5/6*1/3+10*2/3*5/6 =15Not using the grenades on the shooting attack to buff your Serpentas to wounding on 2s is unironically retarded (just like you)
>>98662213Apparently people who upgrade to volkites/flamers obsess over them and don't use the rad grenades, judging by >>98662199
>>98662220Anon twin serpentas do more than a grenade. >pistols4*2/3*2/3*1/3+4*2/3*2/3*1/3*2/3*1/3 = 0.72>grenade2/3*5/6 = 0.56Yes, you want the phage to buff the serpenta shooting. But you both wouldnt fire the whole squad worth of grenades (you only need a few to get phage done) if you were using grenades and you wouldnt be using grenades in the first place (you would be using the longer range and higher shot volume rad missiles)
>>98662199The thing is, accounting for the cost of volkites vs bolt pistols (240 vs 190 for a 10 man squad), the damage is basically the same point for point.And there are far better options on other units to spend those 50 points on unless you're ONLY taking Destroyers for some reason
All this maths is retarded because it assumes the unit will always be in range to use every weapon and always at full strength/efficiencyJust take a loadout that's fluffy for your army
>>98662235Welll... Not really. 190/8.5 = 22.35 points per wound240/14.5 = 16.55 pts per woundIts what, 35% more efficient? Its a pretty damn big increase in effectiveness. And that increase is important because destroyers are a very close range (and very fragile) unit, they need to make that damage count because theyre inevitably going to be exposed for counterpunch by whatever is left (if nothing else, and theres usually something else). If youre low on pts or just want some phage/phosphex monkeys bolt pistol destroyers can work, take some squads of 5 and be a nuisance, but volkites (or flamers) is where they really shine, its where you go from "beat up a squad" to "wiped out a squad". With volkite destroyers killing around 8 VEQ over their combined volleys.
>>98661842>>98661848There is the theory that Macharius was used during the Heresy, just under a different name, since the Macharius fluff talks about how during the Crusade the Imperial Army used different types of super heavy tanks, and that their STC's got lost after the Heresy.I'm pretty sure it's all but out right stated that the Macharius was used during the great crusade.And if 40k is too shit to use the cool FW tanks then why not give it to the Solar Auxilia or a new Imperial Army range?
>>98661842>>98662274So. About that.
>>98660464You the GOAT. Do you have the Liber Strategica too by chance?
>>98662393No
>>98662450Oh well, thank you anyway I appreciate it.
>>98661842>instead of getting the KINO tank made in plastic with more sponsons option they had to produce a horrible rounded shit like the Rogal Dorn that doesn't even have a floor.I hate GW more for this than the whole primarish shit.
>>98660517now give the little guy a ligma marine to hold
>>98662148Oh my God, shut the fuck up you fucking faggot.
what have i gotten myself into
Are primarchs similar to the greek gods/myths? I haven't really consulted the scriptures of either lore in a while
>>98662540>nmmwhy would you do this? you might be stupid
Does the heresy / great crusade era also give others that comfy nostalgic feel?40k doesn't do that for me even though I have played that for much longer but the (pre)heresy era always gives me this slightly mysterious, hopeful but bittersweet feel
>>98662540Let me guess; you're a fat, balding british man with glasses who pronounces it cusstoads?
>>98662561what are you, a fat fully bald american man with ratty nail polish and guyliner pronouncing it cousteau-des like it's fucking prelate latin
>>98662587Whoa, how did you know it was me?!
>>98662549No? I guess it's arguably the closest mankind got to its potentiality but it's not like it was a time of high adventure. >>98662561
>>98662549Yeah I feel that bro.
>>98662148You are wrong.
>>98662547i am not the sharpest tool in the shed for sure>>98662561>>98662587neither, cuss-toe-dess
>>98662497I used to have some pics that I took of a sex doll holding a 1/3 scale doll holding a 1/6 scale doll holding a 1/12 scale doll, sadly lost to time now....also had planned on making a diorama of a frame arms girl painting some ligma tanks and marines but never got around to it sadly....they are the perfect scale for that.
What's that, a kneeplate with a raised guard? A circular ankle joint?? AAAAAAAH IM GOING INSANE
>>98662723Christ the MKX is fucking horrible. I hope whoever it was who designed that shit has their children get raped.
>>98662723That art is fucking revolting
>>98662723>MkI is always drawn as a thunder warrior>even though all depictions of MkI power armour are marines
>>98662845Tell me about it. People are scaling up prints of the MK1 models 20% to be thunder warriors. It's not a total loss as I just wanted the spear guy as an epic scale statue but I wanted to use the spare bolter marine to be a War Hound circa them making south Africans extinct.Can't really use it for anything except another statue I don't need.
>>98662747The saddest part of the whole Primarishart debacle is that who designed it was Jes. I dunno if he legitimately thinks they're good or if he's just too close to retirement to give a shit, but it has to be one of the most egregious instances of wiping one's arse with one's own legacy since George Lucas.
>>98663083Just proof that all "creatives" have shit creations in them, you just have to hope that they either die/OD or quit before they get sober or they decide to make their shit creation. Like when a rockstar goes sober......always ends up being shite.
>>98663016I wish somebody that ISNT tortuga would do an OG split torso style kit of these guys. No troon scale, just classic OG split torsos, "5 poses" or whatever like the classic tac marines/OG mk III and IVs.....id easily buy like twelve boxes of them, id back their gofundme or what the fuck ever. Id throw them a fucking makers fee of several hundred dollars just fo telling GW to suck their cocks and releasing it.
>>98663083After decades of doing the same thing, a lot of people want to try something different - especially creative types. You also see this quite a bit with music bands, a lot try something new after being together for a long time, which usually greatly upsets the existing fans. Blanche probably was getting a bit tired of marines, and felt like trying to re-imagine marines. His actual sketches also looked better than how the models ended up looking if you ask me.
>>98663016Make him a broken statue. Cut the legs off and put them on a pedestal with some bent wires sticking out as rebar. Put the torso on his right side in rubble. That way you can cut off the bolter and make him look like a similar statue that was destroyed.
>Qin Xa, Sanakht, Erebus, Corswain, Nykona Sharrowkyn not in the top 5KWAB
>>98663243Jesus christ it might as well have a pricetag next to the names and a link to the webstore in the footnote.
>>98662297Yeah, that's the thing I forgot to mention...
>>98663243Erebus wasnt even #1 in the WB
>>98662845I mean, that makes sense.It was the only armour used by the Thunder Warriors and it's most associated with them.
>Remus Ventanus
>>98663243Erebus got nearly got killed by Khârn over a dead twink
>>98663243should've swapped lucius for corswain really
>>98663243Akurduana?
>>98663243Corswain as an omission IS a bit conspicuous, either the DA rules wank isnt entirely lore friendly or theyre too secretive to brag/get a rep. But yea? There is a list of "the best duellists in the legions", this is (more or less) that list. Its not "a list of people who are good", its a list of the best people. Nikona or Qin Xa werent on sigismunds level.
>>98663323The Legions are lesser for his loss. Emperor keep him, the first palatine.
>>98663334Corswain might have, especially if Sevatar is there. Funny how Sev and Kharn are there, seeing how they aren't actually swordsmen - they fight with chain polearms instead
>>98663339>Corswain might haveIf you mean "been on that top level"? Yea. I mentioned him as a conspicuous omission.Going by the rules Abbadon should also be there, given he quite simply mops the floor with the rest of them.
>>98663354Abaddon (and Corswain) IS mentioned in the black books as one of the best astartes melee fighters alive. Probably in HH1, where Akurduana is also (ever) mentioned
>>98663359Thats fine, but were talking about a specific excerpt here.
>>98661079Mk5, you mean.
>>98663334>Corswain as an omission IS a bit conspicuousHe was a junior officer up until the Thramas Crusade.
>>98663243I think I'm still a little bit annoyed that Lucius and Fabius didn't appear a single time in the whole Siege of Terra series. They weren't even mentioned as being present in the solar system at the time. Like ten whole ass novels and three novellas and not a single nod to either one of them.
>>98663279>here's a bunch of space marines>but this one space marine armour has to be on a thunder warrior because of reasonsThunder armour was named after the thunderbolts on the chest. Thunder warriors were not even in the fluff when the MkI was introduced and wouldn't be for over two decades.
>>98663243Sharrowkyn was a killer more than a master "swordsman". He doesn't play fair and wraith-slips. This excerpt seems to be more describing martial prowess. Sharrowkyn has actual cheat codes and it takes a primarch to stop him. He also may not be widely known because he keeps a low profile in the legion known for low profiles.
>>98663243No argel tal? Fuck the faggot who wrote this list, fucking cunt.
>>98663498He's a literal who in universe
>>98663498He barely survived the first 1/3 of the Heresy (I love him and his relationship with the Cyrene), but he kind of exists in the larger scale of things to get murdered by Erebus
>>98663252what did you think he was going to say, Ancient Helveticus?
>>98663517>>98663564Took down a fucking custodes (back when they were still all men, so its extra points).He should ALWAYS be in the top 5 at least. 6 on a BAD day.
>>98663581Didn't he gangbang one or two custodes with a gaggle of his men, while they were all demonically possessed Also, you know, he and the rest of the gsl vorbak got wiped by CORAX of all people. He was crutching way hard on demonic downpunching
>>98663335>mk8 backpack
>>98663498Argel tal is a literally who Mary sue, anyone killed by erebus is on the list of "garbage that never should have been written", although that list should be longer
>>98663581>Took down a fucking custodesBuddy, theres random NL raptors taking custodes down.
Decided to give the sgt paired swords (counts as TLC) because I thought the pose looked neat. Ill do the glaive for a 2nd sgt for if I want to use them as two squads.
>>98663657Wasnt Tal the first one to do it though (besides MAYBE Alpharius/Omegon, whichever one it might have been, or not, were ALL Alpharius, after all). To me its kind of a "Hey, Tal got one, that means they bleed. That means we CAN kill them, LETS GET EM, BOIS!!!!!!" situation.
And a terminator librarian (using the WB praetor model). Scraped off any of the particularly overt WB iconology so I think thats fine. The runes are just there because he a magic man.
>>98663581I thought the running overall joke was that Custodes are constantly hyped up and then killed in the most jobber ways possible.
>>98663688Im going purely on a fixed timeline, not random battles at random times. I THINK Tal was the first OFFICIAL kill. If the Alphy/Omey kill was the first, remember, Malcador and Valdor covered it up.
One really good use for the wet transfer paper I can use to fill out a sheet and get more for the annoyingly high cost of the paper per sheet is custom Bort numbers.Everyone loves Bort and I came up with an entire bort numbering system that the world eaters would use instead of sentimental names but I shelved it due to a lack of tiny epic scale sized arabic numerals like you got on the old IG tank transfer sheets. Now I can just make a 3 number bort transfer that fit each of my tanks.
>>98663243I loved my nigga Qin Xa, but he was defeated fair and square by Eidolon
>>98663697Thunder Warriors took down a fair amount of Custodes in their final days, mentioning Valdor made me think of pic related.
>>98663720Oh, I know about the TWs, wasnt that covered up as well though? Like only the DAs, SWs and maybe a few other space marines or even just primarchs knowing about it?
>>98663730>wasnt that covered up as well though?Super well covered up, they still use the name 'Astartes' after all even though it's the name of the one of the oldest traitors. If it was the earliest space marines it was likely either the future Dark Angels or Space Wolves like you said, I lean towards the Wolves because it would corroborate them being executioners even before they met Russ. It's a really interesting little book, the audio book is great because the interview sections are done like an audio drama with two voice actors, kind of nice to see GW mix between the audio book and audio drama genres.
>>98663707I also should think of some way to mark out squadron command tanks (I could add radio antennas or something but I mean a hull marking)Is anything like that ever mentioned/shown in the black books that I could riff off? I can't see any in the modern libers but they didn't collect every example from the black books
>>98663720God the custodes all look like such dumpy retards. It's like space marines who forgot it's a scifi grim dark setting.
>>98663644>CORAX of all people.Corax had to be nerf'd by "stare into the mirror" or he would have had two primarch kills. No non-primarch group or individual could take him. Even in game it was a 50:50 he could kill Horus in 1e before the Blind nerf.
>>98663644>corax of all peopleI know hes a complete bitch on the tabletop currently, but hes a primarch and not a particularly weak one. No shit he managed to bloody the GVB.
>>98663849Current corax rules might make him a bad duelist, but he's a very mean lawnmower. Can sit outside 18" for both the RG trait and cameleoline, get a guaranteed charge 22" away with no chance to react, then clean up all kinds of infantry with a high amount of attacks from his claws.
>>98663906Even for just killing dudes hes not the greatest, at least for anything heavier than like, marines. But yea, hes a very mean unit simply because unlike every other primarch hes very fast. And hes still killy enough that he can get shit done (because hes still a primarch)
>>98662393>Liber StrategicaAn actual waste of ink and time to scan. No fluff, barely a showcase, no new art. All the rules are in new recruit. The unique formations are so niche, have preset loadouts, and are expensive to build no one runs them. It's one of THE biggest money grabs GW has pulled in book form. No one actually needs this book to play.
>>98663912Also: while he is absolutely not a good duellist "for his weight class" (pretty sure the bog standard tribune is better), he will still beat basically any marine character just because hes S6, T6, has 6 wounds and is EW(2). Although out of every primarch in the game, hes the one where you can find a way to beat him with astartes. You probably need to contrive some sort of scenario with NL (or maybe Sallies), but its probably doable.
>>98664035Fun fact, a saturnine praetor (with finishing blow) has around the same chance of killing corax in one round as corax does of killing the saturnine praetor (without a gambit/using decapitation strike)Obviously not the cleanest comparison or test, but its kinda funny how low damage corax is.
>>98660464I've just been the Legions Imperialis expansion books. Was GW editorial asleep at the wheel? were the bamboozled? Instead of generic capture 3 objectives slop that GW usually puts out now. They have fun narrative missions like attackers needing to breach a curtain wall, endless hordes of attackers deploying along a narrow causeway. Things that actually entice people to play. They even recreate one of the best missions from Epic 40,000 Planetary Assault.
>>98663742wasn't there novel where a group of black shields meets a named thunder warrior and they asked how he is alive since supposedly they all died in the last battle of the unification?
>>98664088That did take place during the Unification Wars, but I don't think it happened with the thunder warrior cull.
For those who play a homebrewed version of 3.0, what are the changes?
>>98664190We only changed the rules for area terrein, does that count as homebrew?>Medium area terrein: 5+ cover, can be seen through but confers a cover save to the unit being shot at in that case>Heavy area terrein: 4+ cover save, can be seen into and out of, but not through
>>98663720I bet every custode killed by a marine felt like a chump right before they croaked
>>98664190>Double Gun/melee get +1 BS or WS>Flyers can stay zooming or hovering>Terrain is see in/out/not throughThough we sometimes build warehouses or staging areas full of dense scatter that has the 3" vis. >Any generic character can take officer gear>Chaplains get Hatred first new combat>Knights hit on front armorWe're also debating going back to 1e deepstrike rules and reserves. We also hate the new vehicle table but havent done anything about it.
>>98664190we gave all iron hands 4+ FNP
>>98664373Macca is that you?
Anyone have the liber custodes?
>>98664495Yes.
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