Overwrite the Multiverse edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-august-10-2026>NewsThe Pro Tour and Magic Spotlight Series in 2026:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-pro-tour-and-magic-spotlight-series-in-2026Metagame Mentor: The Final Four Standard Regional Championships of Early 2026:https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-final-four-standard-regional-championships-of-early-2026>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>98645483 >Thread questionFav sorcery?
SEXOOO SEXOOOO SEXOOOO WITH WITCH SEXOOOOOOOOO
amass into amass goblin into amass jace
>>98650687Hey retard why do you never link in the old thread?
SEXOOO SEXOOOO SEXOOOO WITH FAT BITCH SEXOOOOOOOOO
>Planeswalker token
Anyone know why she is getting bought out?
>>98650946Show the art of the token
>>98651115
>>98651115the dun her boobs dirty in this art
>>98651145Its ok, we have Liliana Blanco now for boobs.
>>98651115Loot claims another victim : (
This set really sucks and is extremely boring and uncreative.
>... create a blue Jace Planeswalker token...
>>98651412Proft, forma de Sicko seems ok.
>>98650687You've just created a million Jace Belerens.
would empower jace have been broken if it worked for every jace pw?
THESE ABSOLUTE IDIOTS ACTUALLY THOUGHT CREATE-A-JACE WAS GOING TO BE A GOOD SET THEME
>wah we hate UB give us heckin wholelsome MtG stories>noooo not like thatyou deserved Spider-Man
>>98651641>giving any jace +8 and instant-speed activations for 2Unot sure
>"This universe has suffered enough, I shall remake it and remove all suffering!">"Oh yeah also I'm not changing shit about Duskmourne, the PLANE OF ETERNAL SUFFERING">"fuck those guys lmao"Bros I'm starting to think that Jace is kinda stupid
>>98650687this whole set be like
>>98651838Who is this?
>>98651707now do you believe it when you're told that /mtg/ is just full of perpetual complainers? at least /edhg/ and /mtgag/ still like what they're playing
>>98651707This is still better than even the best UB
>>98651885a loser
>>98651898i don't see you hyping up the story anon
>>98651885We just don't know.
The penultimate episode is up.https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/reality-fracture-episode-9-unafraid
>>98651967>Kothwho?
>>98650687>TQyes henlo...demonic pact...?
>>98651967Hold the phone, they dropped the last two episodes in one go.https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/reality-fracture-episode-10-happy-birthday
>>98652016must have thought the entire narrative stank and just wanted to get it out the door
Emrakul is #001
not reading this shitI'll wait for someone else to summarize it
I suppose Hexhaven and Strixhaven will not be playing quidditch together now.
I hate that they decided jace needed to die. I don't know why they did that. I don't know why liliana didn't revive him, or the lich didn't heal him. Or why they decided that they're going to keep him around, just as a female gorgon clone instead of himself. Why did they constantly insist on ruining his happy ending with vraska?
>>98652073
>>98652082who is this marketing supposed to appeal to?
>>98652085Idk
>>98652073he a Chud White Male; he must die for his sins
>>98652073>I don't know why they did thatUW will be all girl power chud and you're going to like it, what you going to UB or something? haha
>>98651967>>98652016>they actually killed him for real with no takesies-backsiesLegitimately surprised.
>>98652119It's what the people wanted.
>>98652119Meaningless, as they just slot Tam in his place with all of his abilities, memories and everything. This entire arc ended up with absolutely nothing of import happening at all.
>>98652073>Why did they constantly insist on ruining his happy ending with vraska?Because they insist copying capeshit writing and in capeshit Spider-man will never end with Mary Jane because Spider-man need to always end up single.
>>98652132>Meaninglesswhat do you mean meaningless? jace got to transition into a female gorgon just like what trannies want!
>>98652132so then why did they do it? was it just to go "look we're not afraid to kill people"?
>>98652132She doesn't seem to have all his memories. Just his powerset, vague impressions about some things, and a single message specifically intended for her.
>>98652016>Garruk straightens. He lowers his axe, eyes locked with hers. "I will not forgive you, witch, but tell me the truth and I will spare you. Do you know the twins?">Liliana blinks, narrows her eyes. "The Kenrith twins? I care for them both, but I worry about the girl. If you mean them harm, then we are enemies.">Garruk says nothing and simply planeswalks away.New Eldraine set in 2028, believe it!
>>98652164>New EldraineYay! Let's meet with their quadroon brother and sister!
>>98652164At least with the twins story there is a chance that Kasmina's breasts make an appearance, too.
>>98652150Yes, it's just for shock value and to have people talk about the set.
Looks like a new waifu for anon.
>>98652178She's gone, bro.
>jace is dead, can't have straight white males anymore>ajani is a furry so he gets a pass>garruk doesn't count, he's just a wild animallooks like sorin's next to be killed off, he's pretty much the last remaining chud remaining in the cast!
>>98652213
>>98652187See I don't even understand why they spent so much time developing the world of hexhaven if they're just going to delete it and never revisit it.
>>986522381. they need a setting that would make sense for limited, it would be awkward if the whole thing was just a barren wasteland2. why hexhaven? because they need to hammer it to you that walmart harry potter is good enough silly or else hasbro might force them to put hp ub and that would make trannies cry
>>98652227god they really are just killing off anyone white and male, huh? first it was gideon, now jace.
>>98652238Welcome to every new plane at the moment. Not that their development gets them anywhere, as they are currently responsible for the clusterfucks of MKM, DFT and OTJ.
>>98652238I remember seeing in some places that people were asking for them to fill in the allied colors for Strixhaven schools, so apparently this was just an excuse to say they did it so they could stop getting asked.If it stuck around they'd either get more questions about it or they'd have to make 10 distinct schools and mechanics for the next Arcavios return set.
>>98652250don't forget dack fayden and venser!
>>98652248>hasbro might force them to put hp ub and that would make trannies cryAren't they already planning to do that?
>>98652248>it would be awkward if the whole thing was just a barren wastelandI would agree with you if march of the machines hadn't been just a big planar mashup. They hint at what alternative planes would be like, and frustratingly, we're only going to see them through legendary reflections that don't even exist going forward
>>98652271Magic is quite literally the only place Hasbro isn't using the Harry Potter license with (at the moment). The clock is always ticking, though.
>>98652271>Aren't they already planning to do thatbelieve me anon that an official hp ub announcement would make my day and solidify ub superiority beyond all doubt
>>98652041annihilator?
>>98652321emrakul 1.0 will be a GC in edh soon enough
>>98652041>Exigent Doomwhat the fuck is this name?it doesn't make ANY sense
>>98652325exigent is a synonym for "immediate", but it also means something that requires attention urgently. So her name is just imminent doom. I think it fits.
>>98652331well... I think it STINKS
>>98652325emrakul speaks using fancy words
>>98652343how pedantic
the half-shaved head is so unappealing
>>98652325>>"This is all wrong. I am incomplete, unfulfilled, inchoate. There should be blossoms, not barren resentment. The soil was not receptive. It is not my time. Not yet." The way she said, yet, sent a shiver through Jace's neck.
>>98652430Bitch, do you know what you turn people into?!
>>98651114>Whenever you commit a crime [black lady] gets strongerWow.
>>98652447She made my wife.
Has pauper finally lost?
>>98652518It lost when they let that Zeta set introduce cards into the format. Now all that's left to make it slop is a pauper Horizons set.
>>98652189She cute
>>98652518We thought zeta made us lose.Then we realized we are white, and instead, won.
Friendly reminder that Planeswalkers are inherently evil and the multiverse would be in a better place if they never existed. Only one person got it right but she got shelved because the woke has no need for "le bad and misguided Nahiri" yet.>Distraught, Nahiri decided that everything that had befallen Zendikar was because of planeswalkers. She vowed that planeswalkers would never set foot on Zendikar again.
>>98652271I feel like ignoring the other issues (strixhaven existing, pissing off the fanbase they've been catering to for years while leaving core fans to starve) there's a nonzero chance a HP set would probably get bogged down in them trying to reuse concepts from the ancient 90's TCG
Anyway alt-Thalia is fucking dead.
Alt-Kiora stole a hammer.
>>98652699Sigarda stonks keep rising
>>98652710How does Zendikar look more fucked up in the timeline where it wasn't assblasted by eldrazi?
I don't know what I expected.
>>98652710clearly she's Worthy
The Vraskas are finally revealed and... Yeah, sure I guess.
>>98652734Making an alt-universe Vraska Jeski is a bit odd
>>98652727that's exactly what we predicted
>>98652740It works on the idea that Jace specifically does NOT want to replace Vraska, so he makes the double everything she isn't.
Alt-Gideon is different from normal Gideon in that he is still alive.
>>98652734>not Phyrexiayeah... she just got "better" I guessMOM was such a letdown of biblical proportions
Nice to know cool ideas like Emperor Tamiyo won't fucking matter at all.
>>98652761kinda wierd they didn't make him show up in the story
>>98652769There was literally an entire story about her and Jace getting cured.
>>98652761Would have been cooler if he was a returned.
>>98652699>Oy vey goyim, member the original Thalia that did jack shit to stop red blue kikery during Hunt/Vow Epiphany standard?Well here’s a fatter, slower version with lifelink! Powerful white cards, goy!
>>98652784and still makes me seethe that phyrexian infection could be cured at allspecially on a planeswalker
>>98652777>>98652787The Echoverse as a whole feels like it has zero bearing on the story, it's literally just to have cool what-if cards that go nowhere because Emrakul eats them all.Kinda fucked the story doesn't even really acknowledge how horrible that is, it just goes "it's fine they're not 'real people' anyway" which feels like dangerous territory.
>>98652798It was set up so that Planeswalkers COULD be cured of it, because it didn't affect their soul and their spark, so there was something TO save.Ignore Nassari. They got cured because, I dunno, fuck it, reality warping magic spell did it.
>>98652801I was surprised they didn't even bother doing any side stories, as they usually do with these sets, since having an alternate multiverse, you would think would lead to good source material for those
The Fblthps will continue until morale improves.
>>98652815I could've sworn it was said there would be side stories but maybe I just... Got lied to.
>>98652818Impossibly Lost is *almost* good.
Also Edgar Barkov.
>>98652809>They got cured because, I dunno, fuck it, reality warping magic spell did it.preciselyit was a whole lot of bullshita nuclear-level retcon
>>98652818Awesome art.
>>98652838are you blind?
>>98652848No, are you tasteless?
>>98652850no, are you?
Nerdy Lyra is cute.
>>98652699>alt-Thalia is fucking deadbecause the gitrog monster ate her HAHAHAHAHA
Jaces alternate universe seems better than the actual one in almost every way. Why is he the bad guy in this story?
>>98652818Haha i read the green one as x = land types you control until i saw the casting cost. Where the fuck is Loot?
>>98652853No.
>>98652870Because he's a White man trying to alter the world to his whims, WotC narrative team, this is the most evil thing imaginable.
>>98652876>Where the fuck is Loot?I hope under the wheels of a truck
>>98652801I mean, the Echoverse itself is Jace's goal. But him being the villain means it has to fail.Having an excuse to do cool what-if cards has a lot of creative potential, but a lot of them feel like post-hoc justifications for color shifts, rather than anything that evolves out of their history going differently. There's not really a reason why Jace's perfect world would include 'Gideon is alive but a dick', and it isn't particularly interesting either. So if they're just doing whatever for the sake of a color swap, they might as well get more chaotic with it.
>>98652884goodhave a nice day, anon
>>98652870jace is the bad guy because wotc knows they have to reboot this turd of an ip asap
Oh, they accidentally made a good charm.
>>98652915but they arn't rebooting
So are there any non-faggot white male characters left or is the genocide complete?
>>98652927Garruk is still alive.
>>98652930They'll have him fucking animals within the year.
>>98652930that makes it oneThank you for the list of white males in Magic
>>98652930garruk is a wild animal so he doesn't countajani also doesn't count because he's a furry
>>98652927Garruk and Sorin, I think that basically it
>>98652920so this is a nothingburger with less consequences than MoM? Yikes.
>>98652927It's complete. What will you do now?
>>98652699Thalianon in Japan is going to have a field day with this one...
>>98652916Why does it have the UW prepared spell of the set as an option?
>>98652953Explicit consequences: Jace is dead, Tam is a planeswalker now, Emrakul is free.Tam basically replaces Jace and Emrakul could've gotten free anytime, so honestly nothing really changed.
>>98652953stakes sure are high, eh?
>>98652970Nice franchise UWkeks lol
>>98652969>Jace is deadnobody will mourn that wet blanket of a character>Tam is a planeswalker nowadd it to the pile>Emrakul is freeand?
>>98652969>>98652970With how allergic to stakes they are, I'm surprised they didn't use this as an excuse to revive a bunch of dead characters.
>>98652963>a new Emrakul is in the set
>>98652994They didn't even let parts of the Echoverse continue to exist for cool potential stuff down the line, they just erased the whole damn place so none of these what-ifs matter at all.
Bolas swooping in out of the corner of Jace's mind at the very end to at least fuck things up a bit would have been preferable to the nothingburger we got. Like the other anon said - Jace is straight up swapped with girl Jace, the echoverse is straight up eaten instantly, Emrakul did something and will now go back to doing nothing for another 5+ years and all we get as players is a bunch of shitty uncommon clones of characters and a bunch of Jace planeswalker tokens. Great fucking set, WotC. You really outdid yourselves this time.
The entire set so far is boring as shit weak sauce. I’m skipping this shitshow if only to not need to hear the catchphrase mechanic over and over again at prerelease.
>>98653041I cant even claim to be skipping the set since I've been skipping every set since new phyrexia
>>98653020
>>98652930It was amusing how Jace mentally commented multiple times that he didn't understand why Garruk was even there.
>>98653020Having an echoverse version of Bolas swoop in to try and hijack Jace's plan would probably have fixed a lot of problems. Mainly adding a chaotic element so they can explain why the echoverse is imperfect and how there might be random bits leftover.
>>98653020I feel like this is Alison's very good writing nudging up against what the story team had planned out and "JACE DIES" and "EMRAKUL EATS THE ECHOVERSE" were two big plot points that couldn't be written around, so she tried her best and it just feels underwhelming.
>>98652818Lab man in the command zone. Neat.
>>98653020I'm still praying that they at least bring jace back somehow. And not as tam. As an actual living guy. Killing off the face of magic just feels so wrong. Or at the very least I hope they kill chandra next.
I thought everyone hated Jace.
>>98653098Fuck it, let Jace exist as a mind ghost in Tam's head at least. It's underwhelming as hell to just kill him, when they have the counter-example of Liliana who 'should have' died and yet didn't and has to live with that. Jace's determined need to die to fix his mistake is met with "Okay, go die then".
>>98653098>Or at the very least I hope they kill chandra nextOH SHIT pls don,t wizards WIZARDS dont even think it about you fucking JEWS
>>98653095Is his good writing in the room with us right now?
>>98653098They did something far worse to chandraThey made her brown
>>98653098They already missed their chance to have a BR "Chandra, the Dying Ember" style arc when Nissa went Phyrexian. It probably would have been fucking awesome, with her going all out and using own life to fuel her power. But no, she is the current quirky chungus so she is strapped in the for the long haul, now.
>>98653099The faggots and trannies did, sure.
>>98653098>Killing off the face of magicHe has always been shit, very few consider him the face. Personally I'm glad he's dead and I hope he burns in hell
>>98653105yknow mentioning her brings up a good point, liliana quite literally had a clone of herself that could heal any damage and was slaved to her will. Why did she just sit there and watch jace bleed out after it was clear the theorist was gone?
>>98653143Because they bring up that the overlaying spell was tied to his body being alive, and presumably his spark going to Tam meant he couldn't come back either, I dunno. It feels awkward to just have nothing.
I hate Tam. "You're the smartest bravest girl to ever live!" Said her likely homosexual vampire friend. " Through the power being a planeswalker, I want all the things millennial women want." Said Tam, as her eggs dry up.
>>98653146A bunch of planeswalkers lost their sparks recently and lived just fine. If anything, that'd be a good excuse to have it work. Tam gets the spark, enabling her to become real. Jace lacking the spark means he can't fuel such a big spell anymore, and so he can just get healed and go retire with Vraska.
>>98653146okay, great, so liliana can't let him be clinically dead for 30 seconds to let the spark fuck off then bring him back? aka the thing she's absurdly good at doing?
>>98653153Yeah but then there's no clunky... Vaguely trans analogy of Jace becoming Tam, which doesn't really work because they make it clear Tam's very much her own person. They just wanted to kill off Jace and that's what happened.
>>98653149See when you put it like that it just sounds like you don't like her because you don't like women in general, and that sounds gay.
>>98653166Cope, seethe, dilate
>>98652699These fucking cocksuckers killed Thalia. They're gonna fucking pay. Fucking disgusting trannies and faggots at Wizards of the Coast wanted her dead because she's a beautiful white woman and they've wanted her to die for years. Fuck them fuck them fuck them FUCK THEM FUCK THEM FUCK THEM. And I can just see the hunched yellow-teethed söyboy faggots at the game stores everywhere making jokes about it. Saying "ohh wow damn Thalia died lol but at least her new card is busted overpowered" NONE of them have respect for Thalia. She would have risked her life to save their worthless ones without thinking. She was too kind and too pure for this world. This sick fucking world and the subhuman troglodytes who occupy it, did not deserve her. Fuck whatever faggot desigmed this card, I'm gonna email him pictures of diarrhea from /b/. Of course knowing the kind of sick tranny subhumans they have working at wizards of the coast, he'd probably jack off to it. There's no winning with these fucking freaks. Fuck them all. I'm not buying a single fucking card from this set. Just like I haven't in quite a while. Fuck this disgusting company. I hope Hasbro goes out of business and every significant stockholder gets BRUTAL FUCKING PANCREATIC CANCER. Along with whatever FUCKING FAGGOT DECIDED THALIA DIES!
>"You don't die today," Liliana says with fire in her voice. She pulls Vraska to her feet and barks, "Hold on to him!">Together, Liliana and Vraska haul Beleren's body through the mage-ring, away from the false MultiverseHow long until Jaces revival?
>>98653162>Vaguely trans analogy of Jace becoming TamThat isn’t a thing. People are shitposting about it here because that’s what they do, but there’s no trans reading of this story.
>>98653166Its more that Tam just reeks of the "design by committee values" school of thought. She's on the spectrum because she has to calm herself with thinking about math. She is nearly omnipotent, but spends her time worrying about things that don't matter. She is presented in a way where even when she does bad things (she directly gets the oracle killed) the blame is placed on her master instead. I cannot stand characters designed this way - which is basically all characters in media in 2026. The design and traits of a character are essentially afterthoughts if they have a quality story / purpose. The entire point of a good story is that you don't finish reading it and go "You know, I would have enjoyed that story more if the main character had ADHD - that's what was really missing!". Who the fuck actually thinks like that?
>>98653193It sort of depends on how much you're meant to take "Tam is Jace" as a thing. There's like three takes on it, broadly:Tam is just Jace again, and her prior existence feeling unfulfilled and empty was because Jace himself was still around. This devalues Tam as a character and just makes her Jace, so it kinda sucks.Tam is Jace, but also not, in a Doctor Who-style of deal, same memories with some core traits but different personalities even if they're the same 'person'. I don't like this one either because it feels... Boring.Tam is just her own person and is Jace's heir. This feels like the obvious conclusion, but it makes Jace's death feel even more pointless.
>>98652073Straight white male characters are not allowed to have happy endings in western media properties in wotc IPs.The only nigga getting a happy ending is Ajani because he's a furry and Teferi who's Wakandan
>>98653193Pretending not to understand doesn't work, faggot.
>every setting needs to be m&ms diversity>k>except these diverse planes>theyll be monoethnicIt’s weird petty things like this that all start to add up
>>98652150It was to replace a legacy caucasian male character with a woman taking up the mantle. Hasbro is doing the 2010s marvel comics special. Oh and there's also going to be an entire decade of insufferable trannies insisting that Tam is actually jace's subconscious desire to troon out and not his daughter with Vraska despite literally being half gorgon
>>98653238It is the 2025 / 2026 classic, anon. Trying to be so inclusive that you circle all the way back around and actually end up making the most racially stereotypical thing possible.
>>98652837>a nuclear-level retconcan you call it a retcon when it was the planned resolution from the beginning? the story has sucked since Weatherlight but now they are trying to make it even worse so people will prefer UB.
>>98653238>Except these diverse planes>theyll be monoethnicOutside of upcoming Zhalfir, do you have any examples?Takir did have multiple ethnicities in but they were ethnicities that made sense for that setting.
We got Jace permanently killed off before we ever got an actual block returning to Vryn btw
>>98653282>except this one
>>98653290Pretty sure jace is just a deadname and hes trannified now right? All of his toxic masculinity was eaten by emrakul
You must invest in a playset of Shrouded Lore before 2029.
>>98653290I mean, it is clear that we are never ever going to Vryn now as it "featured heavily" in this set's story. Well, they mentioned it a lot so that's good enough for WotC.
>>98652930Hasn’t he essentially been turned into nu-Kratos and been forced to be a better man and look after other people’s kids?
>>98653190she's not dead. like very explicitly she is not dead. That version of her got eaten by emrakul and no longer exists. Your wife is still alive and well, thalianon.
I have uncommon legendary fatigue
>>98653337>garruk is either a wild animal or an emasculated mankek
is the new vibe-coded mtg site actually good? it has a couple hundred players on right now and i've seen a couple youtube videos about it.
>>98653343>thalia got eaten by the gitrog monster in the echoverse>thalia gets eaten again by emrakul
>>98653309interesting fantasy settings aren't popular according to some vague market research, what is popular is gimmicks like wacky races and detectives and cowboys
>>98653099We do. Immensely.
So they just killed jace huh?
>>98653349the monkey's paw curls
>>98653525Yes, after years of buildup and with a conciliatory gorgon tulpa left behind to fill his shoes. He's dead.
>>98653099Ixalan pirate Jace banging his hot gorgon girlfriend was liked on /tg/ and if he had been de-sparked to just be a family man getting snake pussy every day while raising kids people would have called it kino.The fact that this is now the second caucasian male member of the gatewatch to get killed off for muh character development for the remaining girlbosses is wearing thin. Especially since we never actually got fucking closure with Jace's home plane despite the mindrape dystopia of growing up in that place literally being the entire reason Jace turned out the way he did. Kaladesh gets multiple fucking sets including dogshit like Aetherdrift but we don't get to see a homecoming for Jace where he returns and does a sphinx genocide to free all the countless other human mages being put through the same psyops shit he was across Vryn?
>>98653559Is tamiyo and her husband and kids literally the only stable heterosexual family we've ever seen any Planeswalkers have? What did Hasbro mean by having the Japanese tradwife be the only loyal and stable household among their extremely diverse cast of POC and girlbosses?
>>98653559This. Jace was a shit character forever but they finally managed to make him interesting...for a short while, anyway before making him shit again and well now he is dead and replaced.
>>98653567Angrath at least had the start of a normal and stable life, just a guy with two daughters who he scours the multiverse for things to give them but they managed to even mess that up as at least one of his daughters hates his guts and becomes a snowflake at Strixhaven and Angrath is nowhere to be seen.
>>98653099Jace being disliked is an interesting progression.I think it can almost exclusively be blamed on J:tMS being an oppressive piece of shit that also cost a hundred bucks. I don't think Jace was beloved before that but from what I recall from the time people thought that his and Tezzeret's novels were pretty good and he was one of the better neo-walkers.J:tMS soured people on him and then JotC sort of leaned into his card being stupidly powerful by making his character more of a Mary Sue as well which just further reinforced people disliking him.JotC also started to make all the Magic storylines about planeswalkers and a regular cast rather than plane-natives which the half dozen people who cared about the lore disliked. This came to a head with the Jacetice League (of which Jace wasn't actually the 'face' of but his name was used in the nickname so that probably didn't do him any favors either).Jace is not an inherently bad character and, like Chandra (who is just Jaya lite) he was handled pretty well early on but the modern kike writers don't know how to write an endearing character and insist on shoving garbage down the throats of the fanbase instead of actually allowing the exploration and characters of new planes to take center stage.
>Jacefags crawling out of the woodwork
>>98653599I'm reasonably sure 90% of Jace haters just hate characters in general or made up a version of Jace in their heads to hate.
>>98653599It was JTMS and the era of many Blue cards having snarky redditor Jace flavor text quotes that really personified the worst "That Guy" aspects of the color stereotype
>signed extended art Miku HarmonizeIs this bullshit and fake? It looks it.
>>98653567>>98653591tamiyo and angrath are furries like ajani, they are bipoc approvedliterally the only chud left is sorin and garruk who is so much of an animal that i wouldn't be surprised if wotc turned him into a real animal, ticktock chuds
>>98653567Looking through the ones I can remember:>Ajani had a brother that Bolas killed I think? No wife though.>Jace is a loner.>Liliana had a brother. No husband.>Chandra had happy heterosexual parents who were both alive but she herself is single. Had the hots (haa haa. hee hee. hoo hoo.) for Gideon briefly and then Nissa.>Garruk is single>Tezz is robosexual.>Elspeth is single I think? Don't know much about her personal life.>Ral is gay>Vraska was briefly in a heterosexual romance>Dack Fayden (the greatest thief in the multiverse) is dead but I think he was single?>Nissa I don't know anything about her relationship but I think she's a loner and now also a lesbian.>Koth I don't know anything about.>Karn is a robot>Bolas and Ugin are gay for each other>Sorin has an angel waifu that he killed>Nahiri seems like she might have had a family or something. She was certainly pissed about the Eldrazi fucking up Zendikar but that would probably be true regardless.>Teferi has a wife and kid I believe.I could believe the following have happy relationships:>Kasmina>Emperor>Kenrith twins
>>98653599I think people just often got the feeling that Jace was overused and shoved into everything even if he really wasn't. The living guildpact business didn't do him any favors, since it was tying him very heavily into a popular plane in a way that didn't even make much sense for him as a character. He can't really be a telepathic mediator for a massive city if he's constantly having adventures around the multiverse.
>>98653632Yeah that's sort of what I meant by "JotC sort of leaned into his card being stupidly powerful by making his character more of a Mary Sue" but I had forgotten just how bad his flavor text quotes were back in the day. Like Chandra was a shitty Jaya, Jace was a shitty Ertai.
>>98653652>>Sorin has an angel waifu that he killedAvacyn was Sorin's daughteru. Akroma was the angel waifu made by Ixidor with the appearance of his dead wife Nivea.
>>98653630UWfags hate characters and think IP management is all about vistas (ravnica, innistrad, dominaria) and memberberries (mystery booster 3), literally no different than Star Wars fags
I just hate that we never really got Jace x Vraska on the level of what Ixallan was ever again.Monster female x Human male doesnt happen at all and it was nice to see and then they just fucked it and continued fucking it for years.
>>98653678Star Wars fans deeply care about four or five characters
>>98653599>>98653630>The year is 2006. (You) are a planeswalker and the protagonist of your own Magic games.>one marketing later..>The year is 2007. Jace is a planeswalker and the protagonist of Magic. (You) should identify with Jace and laugh at his jokes and want to be as smart as him and buy his merchandise.people hate Jace for no reason though
This set is so fucking ass
>>98653849those fans left long ago when last jedi hit, those remaining care about memberberries and vistas, why do you think rogue one was such a hit with them?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE
>>98653863It's not if you play commander.
>>98653858>the year is 1993. (You) are in your teens when you don't know shit about the world and are playing a card game about being a planeswalker.>the year is 2007. (You) have grown beyond the little shit you were in your teens and here you are seeing a caricature of what you were in your shitty teens being pushed as the main protagonist.nobody wants to hate for no reason, but you can't deny that wotc can't write for shit
>Duelmasters turned Ugin into a cute girl>He cute
>>98653848Literally only happens in the Boom comics which're non canon.
>>98653889I'm more confused about why they are dualmasters is doing a MtG crossover
>>98653889ugin knew wotc could never allow cuteness in mtg so he was all too willing to collab
>>98652238> if they're just going to delete it and never revisit it.If enough people like it they will find a way to make it came back even if it doesn't make any sense lore wise.
>>98653897>which're non canon.The WotC writers are jealous that comic book writers are better writers than them
WE ARE JACE BELERENWE CAAAAAAAARRY THE SPARK
>>98653921Jed MacKay is a great writer honestly. The last 5 issues of the Boom comics are... Not good because they were co-wrote because I think MacKay was busy, so those aren't as good. But... Man, I feel so blah about Reality Fracture's ending now.
>>98653899
>>98653942>I think MacKay was busy,when did those issues come out, like 2023?if so, MacKay was writing three other books at Marvel (Moon Knight, Avengers, and X-Men), so i could see why he was preoccupied
>>98653952He might also have been doing Dr Strange at that time as well
Even Urza wasn’t this much of a narcissist twat.
It's also gonna be weird that the supposed TV show, if it truly comes out, will have Jace as a major character when he's just kinda fucking dead now in the story.
>>98653899>>98653901Kinda hope we get these our side someday
>>98653849I'd argue it's closer to six or seven
Im way out of touch, but isnt Jace the guildpact? Won't that be bad for ravnica?
>>98654024>but isnt Jace the guildpact?No he isn't anymore, it's Niv-Mizzet now.
>>98654024He hasn't been the GP for years.
Isn’t ghost Thalia kind of op?
>>98652916The whole cycle look decent.
>multiverse of no suffering>look inside>suffering
Something something Illidan.
>>98651967So Jace pulled a Rose Quartz. Leftist have been poisoned by that show.
>>98654194Elaborate, I am unfamiliar with that other character.
>>98654012Why?
>Gideon in 2019>Jace in 2026So in 7 or so years it's Liliana's time to bite the dust?
>Jace killed off>Gideon killed off>Chandra is a fucking lesbo now>https://vocaroo.com/1ddcdWq8OGQu>Nissa is a fucking lesbo now>Lilliana is next>Loot has given all the womyns mastectomies>Legacy male character replaced by a half-breed monsterYou can't make this up. It's literally the WHITE MAN YOU MUST DIE playbook. It's so obvious they're intentionally ruining UW so we just buy UB. I bet they're just doing it for DEI/blackrock points. What a fucking disaster. What a fucking joke. What a goddamn mother fucking shitshow of a game.
>>98652073Literally nobody knows he's dead or not yet until we get to the next set.
>>98654214The short version is Rose Quartz is part of an alien species of gems (called the Gems), and she wanted to have a kid with a human named Greg, but Gems don't really reproduce, they just sort of make new ones. So to have a kid proper she sort of gave up her being (all Gems have, like, a singular gem on their being that's all of them and that became Steven's belly button) so it's framed as her last act, giving life to a child that could never be.There's comparisons to be made, but the story here seems to be more in line with "Tam IS Jace on some level", whereas SU was pretty firm that Steven is NOT his mom, despite what other Gems think.
>>98654012>500 Japanese card games for pedophiles>"Man I hope MtG fills this untapped niche"
>>98654249He got stabbed, his spark flew out to his clone/daughter/replacement and then had a funeral, that's pretty dead.
>>98654257>pedophiles
>>98654244It's important to remember that true believers exist, and WotC is practically the archetypal company that would attract those kinds of people.Yes, incentives align but this is also their actual dogshit opinions. They WANT this. This is art to them. It's not cynical in the slightest.
>>98652416First is a reprint.Second isDouble StrikeProwessWhenever a creature an opponent controls with power or toughness 1 or less blocks, this deals 1 damage to that creature's controller
>>98653890>uhhhh you know the current manabase is more cancerous than Khans-Origins-Zendikar enbaled>let's give the most oppressive control deck another tool to deal with pesky aggro decks that might interrupt their draw go until jeskai revelationBlood Moon/Life Moon in this set or Riot takes over and mtg dies in 2 years.
PlayPremodern
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>>98654278BRAZIL MENTIONED!!!!!!BR BR BR BR BR BR BR BR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>98652710Seems like G/U will be Jace Tribal
>>98654269You would have thought that Hasbro's business practices would be rather antithetical to these people, but they don't seem to mind unless Hasbro deadnames them in court
>>98652938Based.
>>98654254>There's comparisons to be made, but the story here seems to be more in line with "Tam IS Jace on some level"yeah Jace transitioned into Tam, he trooned out
>>98654233Because I'm a degenerate anime game enjoyer so the idea of Ugin in cute clothes amuses me.
>>98654061Theorix seems like the best one.
>>98654289you would have also thought that leftists were sane in any sense of the word, but alas
>>98654244>Chandra is a fucking lesbo now>Nissa is a fucking lesbo now>Lilliana is nextHave you been asleep for the last decade? How do you even know these people's names with how little you've actually paid attention?
>>98654259Bolas died three times I'm not holding my breath.
>>98653099Look just because you hate a guy doesn't mean you inherently wish he would get killed off and trooned out.
>>98654316>gideon>venser>dack fayden>jacemake a wild guess what's common with them and why they're remaining dead
I don't know if this is the right place to ask this but, do any of you guys have the files to patch the old mtg DotP game on pc?I found a link in a forum somewhere but it's not working anymore Pic for reference
>>98653099I hated Jace but it's obvious they killed him for being a white man. They hate white men. They despise us. They want us all to leave and only niggers and trannies to play their shitty fucking card game instead. Same thing happened with D&D.
>>98653231Liberals' ability to pretend to not understand things runs deep, even when it's about things they're inherently supposed to know more about than others.
>>98654061>The charms don't even have the watermark school symbolWhat a waste
>>98654332every day i tell people that UB is the one saving grace of this game (eastern ip ofc, westoid shit can get fucked) but pearls before swine and all that
>>98652859why the fuck would they print even more turbo aids pioneer selesnya angels support? why not make it 4 mana?
>>98654244It’s as if this is all part of (((the plan)))
>>98654303Show me your proxed-out deck.
>>98654359i got mine from wendy's you can just look em up on google
UB wonStill not gonna buy Star Trerk tho
>>98654355>superchargeis this the new corpo buzzword?
>>98654366It's what happens when you Activate The Synergies.
>>98654306I would say in a vaccumUB and RB are the best one. UW and GW are less powerful but still goodRG is probably the worst since two of its mode are situational,it can't recycle itself and its last mode really need a specific kind of deck to be usedul.
>Jace died>Hexhaven vanishedHow this makes you feel, anon?
>>98654382I feel nothing. I don't care enough about this game.
>>98654382>jace diedThis is the best set ever >hexhaven vanishedlol
>>98654382They could've just had Hexhaven merge with Strixhaven but fuck that I guess
>>98654316Bolas does not live the same way Jace / humans live. Dying for him is just sort of inconvenient.
>>98654347Yeah but the problem here is that Final Fantasy is the only eastern IP they will be willing to go to bat for (since their position is still the "war on anime" and its values, overall). Its all western junk from here on out.
>>98654392They’re going to replace him with DEI niggershit like Zimone or KayaBe very careful about what you celebrate.
>>98654382This is still one of the edits i ever seen
>>98654322The first three weren't nearly as important to the brand image of MtG and thus nobody cared about them dying. They couldn't even commit to Vorinclex dying from getting his head cut off and everyone saying he's dead.
So is Emrakul out there?
>>98654382I already made peace with the fact WOTC only source of inspiration for their writing is capeshit so all their big event that will change the whole multiverse "NOTHING WILL BE THE SAME" will always be bad and disapointing. So right now I feel nothing and I just hope we will get some cards I like.
>>98653858Jace was not the protagonist of Magic in 2007 and you are obviously an underaged poser if you truly believe that.The Lorwyn 5 were largely unimportant and did not feature in either the Lorwyn or Shadowmoor block novels. His first major plot appearance is in the 2009 novel Agents of Artifice, which was generally liked at the time.Magic plots continued to be centered around the characters of the plane that the set was on until BFZ (with Theros and OG Zendikar being weird half-cases) when the planeswalkers became the new Weatherlight Crew/main characters of every set moving forward.Jace did not receive specific attention over the other Lorwyn 5 until the period I was talking about when Ajani was swapped out with Gideon ~M12.
>>98654382I really can't understand what kill the better version of fucking Strixhaven, Vigorbloom for example was miles better than shitty gothic pest focused golgari academy...Fuck Jace though, burn in hell faggot.
>>98654382
>>98654382this is a terrific edit only slightly marred by the misspelling of basedjak
Mirrodin, Alara and Dominaria were the only acceptable story settings. Everything else wotc has churned out is both gay and retarded.
>>98654382last mode should give the spell Split Second
>>98652085Fat balding men in dresses who don't actually play the game, or leave their nurgle infested basement but spend 15 hours a day posting on bluesky and reddit.
>>98652271Mark Nosewater just said in his blog it's unlikely, so it's almost certainly coming in the next 2-3 years. Trannies will seethe, but normal people still really like Harry Potter.
So this does literally nothing in Standard right.
Thoughtseize except they get hurt.
>>98651967Theorist vs peak Urza, who's winning?
>>98652699> instead of staying a lean hatebear, each iteration of Thalia gets fatterWhy does WotC keep shitting on her?
>>98654359I don't really proxy out stuff. The only proxy I'm even thinking of doing is turning Smaug into Fafnir.
>>98654493If they're putting this in, surely it's a mirrored card? No other reason to fuck around with Goyf in standard in this kind of set.
>>98654499Blightning sidegrade?
>>98654499Thoughtseize and Blightning had a small retarded baby.
>>98654511Atleast the blue one is kind of nice.
>>98654493I don't like having to be reminded that I live in a world where something as strong as tarm gets reprinted into standard and the general response is that it's a waste of a slot that only exists for memberberries
>>98654276>the most oppressive control deckwhat deck is that?
>>98654527It is kind of fucked up that Standard is this high power. Poor thing is homeless as hell, can't think of a constructed format where he'd see play.
>>98654557Does it do anything in Pioneer? Or does Cosmogoyf sort of... Outclass it for what it does.
Honestly, I'm surprised they managed to make Jace's death feel just but still poignant.I bet Jace's mom is going to have some issues with Tam looking and acting so much like her son while she's still mourning him.Heck, what's Loot going to think? Tam's mind probably feels a lot like Jace's to him.
>>98654557At this point, just downshift to common. At least he can see some play in pauper.
>>98654574Do you think it would see play in pauper? I'm kind of skeptic about that.
>>98654522blue one is actually good, it's a 2 mana grangran unconditionallybasically a better goblin electromancer
Honestly, with the Empower mechanic, I wonder if All Will Be One is going to reprinted to take advantage of it
>>98654567I sort of don't care because it's super muddy on how much the "Tam is Jace" thing is meant to be... Anything. If she's a new version of Jace that's kinda fucked for all the people close to Jace AND Tam. If she's her own person, it's still fucked that she's now got a 30 year old guy's memories stuck in her head.
>>98654574They already have a goyf in pauper, its this fucking retarded mistake of a card.
>>98654561>Does it do anything in Pioneer?I think you can unironically run a non-zero amount in gruul delirium, doesn't change the fact the deck is like tier 4 but that's the best I got
Yeah, sure, I guess.
>>98654579He easily gets to 5/6 and eats every other creature in the format. Don't think he'd break anything but would see plenty of play.
>>98654603That reminds me, have we seen Niv-mizzet(Echoverse) yet?
>>98654617No, most of the echo doubles have been kind of random one-offs and not anybody too important outside of the main character echoes.
>>98654622Unfortunate, Niv-mizzet would be interesting to see considering his role in the genocide of his species. If he's not in the set I'll just assume he died with the rest of the Ravnican dragons.
TRUTHNUKE: Summon sounds cooler than creature.
>>98654493>>98654561This makes me want to revist Gruul and Golgari Delirium knowing fully well they are both much worse versions of current top tier decks, growing the Goyf just activates my neurons in a very special way, I don't know how else to describe it.
>>98654588Yeah, I think it's something that would have to be addressed in the future of the story. It feels like it's angling toward her being herself, but it is a lot of experience and power and desires that didn't exactly originate from her, and I could see some story about her trying to work through that. Kinda depends on whether she's going to be the next character the next 3- or 4-set story arc focuses on or if she's going to live quietly on Vryn for a while instead. Not sure what the inciting incident is going to be for us to be going to the various planes we're going to be going to next or what they're going to set up. I honestly thought there would have been a bit more hook on that front, but it was the end of one of their overarching arcs, so...Oh, I just realized, we're probably going to get a Tam planeswalker card at some point in the next few days, aren't we?
>>98654633If its any consolation, Fear of Missing Out extra combat trigger with Violent Urge is a feeling thats very hard to replicate. Ive won so many events last year with that.
Green is for landfall silly
>>98654493its truly amazing that we've been powercrept so much that this won't even see play in standard.
>>98654633Seeing a pet card get big is an all-time past time. I get it.
>>98654637The Tam art we've shown is framed like a Planeswalker, so yes.But with regards to hooks, uhhh... The whole "kings in dark will return" prophecy still hasn't... Happened (maybe the mage in blue is Jadzi I don't fucking know). Presumably those are the Fomori, and unless they've just scrapped that idea entirely, there were some hints of that, like when Jace saw the formation of Arcavios and saw the Eldrazi fighting some ships in Blind Eternities. And it's a bit weird how the Fomori were such a thing and then nothing came of them. Quint saw one and it just didn't... Matter? What the fuck is Loot, even? Maybe Emrakul being free will bring the Fomori back, somehow?
>>98654651I'll give you a little peek behind the curtain.None of this shit matters. 99% of the time there is no planned follow-up. The story is almost all hype moments and aura with no larger narrative in-mind. The writers forgot what to do with fucking Loot the attosecond he did one thing and now he's just sitting in the background.
>>98654493i wonder if they could have just reprinted jtms this set without breaking standard/pioneer
>>98654593ironically this might be even better than goyf because of it blocking every single flying fucker in the format and giving you three bodies to chump with
>>98654655I mean we have to presume Titanbreach will be either "fallout of the Echoverse stuff causing Big Problems" or "new big bad causing problems which causes more problems", but other than that I got no idea what's next.
>>98654663It would probably be fine.
>>98654663probably not. izzet is already pushed to the moon.
>>98654663it wouldnt be played
>>98654593>2 mana 4/5 reachwhy are they like this
How many cards that saw play in modern 10 years ago would even be good enough for standard?Outside of bolt, obviously
>>98654699You do need to pay 4 before the refund first, so it's not a true 2 drop.
>>98654663Brainstorm ability with stock up and chart may be a bit much. Just really good ways to break a brainstorm lock already seeing play.
>>98654629portal wins again
>>98654700I think G landfall really needs primeval titan
>>98654700splinter twin/exarch
>>98654725A deck that wins on turn 3 does not need a 6 drop
>>98654704that's true, obviously, but the other side is that subsequent copies grow the ones that are already on the table even furtheronce you're doing it, you're REALLY doing it
>>98654700The really awful thing is that Bolt would be 100% fine in standard. I am insanely surprised they haven't done it yet. Watch it be in Star Trek or some shit.
>>98654700Fetchlands >:)
print mana tithe into standard
>>98654700island
every set is new busted creatures and no good removal (or counterspells)
any format where I can't have 4x Lightning Bolt in my deck is immediately an inferior format, simple as
>>98654761this set has two mana destroy target creature as an instant in white
>>986547692 is too fair, what people really want is 1 mana removal, likeBInstantDestroy target creature with mana value 3 or less
>>98654769they have that in every set, its shit. Give fatal push and fetch lands
>>98654769The people yearn for 1cmc removal
>>98654733Exactly. The deck can now win the games where it doesn't get the T3 win.
>>98654775fuck off, retard. just play modern.
>>98654769Swords to plowshares should be treated like duress for the sake of game health
>>98654651Yeah, I agree, it was odd how the whole Fomori thing seemed to disappear. Presumably some of it might be relevant with Tezzeret piloting his way back to the multiverse and going through the wurmwall with the Endstone.I've heard some say that prophecy is fulfilled because the kings in the dark were supposed to be Bolas and Ugin, but that doesn't feel right to me. Thinking about it, Helga gave that to Ral, and we haven't seen Izzet Ral since then. My thought is that it might still be further out. Jace, as a mage in blue, very much just about brought the world to an end. The only reason it wasn't was because of the intervention of an Eldrazi, the actions of which might bring what Fomori exist out to fight.
>>98654783Ad hominem detected, cope and seethe
A list of questions i have about the echoverse that will never be answered:>what kind of dinosaurs are the other ixalan elders>how do you reconcile the existence of innistrad in a world that was supposed to be without suffering>given that edgar markov is now a werewolf, how did this affect sorin? Did sorin still create avacyn to defend humanity? Is she even an angel?>are the colors flipped on shard/wedge planes, i.e., is tarkir now a shard plane while new capenna is a wedge plane>did the kami war never happen on kamigawa>what is the theros pantheon like>does bloomburrow still have calamity beasts, and if so, what are they?>how are the ravnican guilds flipped>does valgavoth still exist on duskmourn? Winter expresses a desire to save other survivors, which means that duskmourn is at the very least still fucked, so how and why is it fucked>does amonkhet have the old gods back? What happens to the new gods that were born after phyrexia>there was a second brothers war. How and why.>karn just skipped argentum entirely, going straight to mirrodin. What does the plane look like? Does memnarch still exist? Do the myr? Mirrodin didn't have any normal life before memnarch, so did karn just kidnap people too?>why do planeswalkers like jiang yanggu, who lost their sparks in the fallout of the new phyrexian war, still not have their sparks in a world where phyrexia never existed>how did kaladesh change as a result of the echoverse? The consulate still clearly exists there. Was there ever a revolution?>how does muraganda change? It's the most stable plane ever because there's no society. So what happened to it?There's legitimately so much more that could have and should have happened as a result of the echoverse that i will never not be pissed that we never actually got to explore it
>>98654788Prophecies do tend to get twisty, but, like, generally things happen in the order they're said so it feels weird for the "bring about the end" to happen before the 'kings' return....Also how the fuck did Tezz even get to the Edge anyway? I get the EOE story was standalone and didn't have any real relevance to the story arc ongoing but what the fuck was up with that.
>>98654787No it doesn't, just stop printing stupidly pushed cards to appease the Cummander slop lovers.
>>98654794Apparently the writer of reality fracture only had two hard guidelines: jace dies and emrakul eats the echoverseSo yeah all of that's an afterthought that you'd be lucky if wotc revists them in 2040
>>98654799who will buy sets if we dont have legendary creatures with good stats and 100 words on them?
>>98654799Wotc can print rhystic study at common and it wont break standard or limited
>>98654794>>why do planeswalkers like jiang yanggu, who lost their sparks in the fallout of the new phyrexian war, still not have their sparks in a world where phyrexia never existedThis one I think you can at least answer with "The Echoverse is mirroring the existing world, it can copy sparks for people who still have them, but it can't copy what is no longer there". That's my take at least.As for the rest... We don't know because there's no side stories (I think), and the legends article is relatively underwhelming (it's getting expanded over time admittedly) in actual details. The Echoverse as a whole seems to entirely exist to be "What if there was like a fucked up and evil Multiverse" for some silly what-if cards and then it gets deleted from existence because holy shit we can't have any interesting interactions between duplicates or anything. And don't worry that Tam invited an eldritch monster to genocide that entire Multiverse, none of THOSE people were real. Ignore them screaming in pain as Emrakul devours their very beings.
>>98654805I mean I imagine other storybeats were planned too, but you can feel the writing edging up against those more hardline ones in the later chapters. It's a good introspective story about trauma and throughout Jace keeps thinking he has to die to fix it, and the story... Agrees that he does, which is fucked up?
>>98654799Thats not going to happen thougheverbeit
>>98654811>CanYou mean again? It was printed as a common from the start. I remember buying one for my cube for pennies. I'd sell it but it's much more fun in cube than EDH.
>>98654823he obviously means to highlight the power level of the current standard, you fucking retard
>>98654811Rhystic Study isn't good in two player formats.
>>98654823Yeah i meant again lol but they will never do it again for reprint equity purposes
>>98654811yeah, cuz it sucks in 1v1
>>98654827Did it break standard back then? Lmao, you fucking fuckwit.
>>98654805I think it's a colossal mistake for them to have the potential to shake up magic in its entirety and just... throw it away. Even if they don't have the storywriting chops, and we look at this from the most cynical angle, this is basically just carte blanche to revist every plane we've been to and make brand new commanders that are the inverse of everything. It's literally free money for them.
>>98654833unironic retard
>>98654603
>>98654816>What if there was like a fucked up and evil MultiverseThis is such a fantastically interesting concept and it will bother me to no end that it's just being thrown away for no reason. The fact that the characters we know avoid their worst tragedies and somehow come out WORSE is fascinating, but no, can't explore that, got to go visit magic Africa instead!!!
>>98654805>Create an actually interesting idea to have a new storyline where one multiverse has to battle a different multiversee>instead of exploring through years of neat sets, end it in one set and go back to the same Bolas/Eldrazi shitHow creatively bankrupt are these fuckers that come up with the storylines?
>>98654843>theywokeshit
>>98654848For the last time anon, we're not "they" because we're nonbinary, but BECAUSE WE ARE LITERALLY TWO NIGGAS
>>98654848>Two heads>MUST BE NON BINARY LMAOThey/them are living rent free in your head.
>>98654857Why is Emrakul a 'she' then?
When are they going to print a Magic card with Xhe instead of he/she/they?
>>98654866Please refer to the legends page on the mtg mothership for more info on their preferred pronouns
>>98654863Because she's a female.>>98654866The moment you stop shitposting.
>>98654863Because emrakul's a single entity, and rurir thar is two niggas stapled together?
>>98654863Emrakul's avatar was Emeria, a female angel.
>>98654794The way I figure, he had some ideas of people he knew that had a pivotal moment that went badly that he "fixed" and that a handful of specific multiverse-spanning problems shouldn't have happened, and then let the magic go to create backstories to set up characters supposedly without suffering. But it turns out that you can't just remove it like that. Maybe if he had the entirety of himself, he would be aware of how everything affects everything else in so many ways.So I am surprised that he didn't just wipe Innistrad entirely given his dislike of its existence, and, frankly, not much of value would be lost if the same happened to Duskmourn. There's no way for him to have really known how it became what it is or how it might have grown otherwise.He had a handful of ends, and let the means be filled in as ancient history that doesn't affect him because he removed the part of him that would care.>>98654798That's a good question that isn't answered. He traveled there somehow and couldn't travel back home due to being outside of the multiverse.
>>98654874I'll stop once you fully transition.
>>98654834They could, if they wanted, finagle some thing about Emrakul reprocessing the Echoverse into a few select new planes that're remnants of it or some shit to get some stuff down the line but that feels like it'd be tacked on.
>>98654787Start treating it like horrible design that no other card game replicates because it's extremely low-skill and only benefits the person going first?
>>98654896>extremely low-skill and only benefits the person going first?talmbout Yugioh?
why does only alternate universe liliana get to show her tits? why can't normal universe liliana show off anymore?
>>98654879Basically he vibe-coded the Echoverse with some hard parameters (no Bolas/Eldrazi/Phyrexia, minimise suffering) and let it go. Paradoxes naturally ensued because it's a nonsense universe trying to match the current one despite all these big changes.
>>98654896Salty nigger got his counterspell duressed away pfthahahahah
>>98654908hahaha what a kwab
>>98654910cool but it should have trample, vig, and draw cards. And gain flying until your next end step when opponent casts two spells under 2cmc in a single turn
Jesus.
>>98654848>>98654857>>98654862Notably the second use of 'they' to refer to a legend, and ALSO a case of "many beings in one".
>>98654905Because she's hitting the wall.
>>98654874>>98654875>>98654877>the cthulu expy with the most alien biology ever just happens to identify as female!>yep, only female, cant even pretend to be the other sex like nyarlathotep!Emrakul is an 'it' just like The Thing and it's funny seeing you all bat for this blatant push for wahmen to be at the spotlight everywhere; not satisfied with the humanoids wotc has to push it even on things that dont make sense
>>98654921So in Jace's echoverse women don't hit the wall?
>>98654905Black Liliana got to bare her shoulders again, be thankful
>>98654928Yep. That's why he had to die. He was making women too sexy
>>98654906Yeah, basically. A more whole version of him might have considered that the parameters of an entire multiverse should have a longer prompt than that, but he wasn't, and that's how we get planeswalker Mishra winning the second Brothers War.Heck, I know he's not old enough, but I'm surprised he didn't try to change things far enough back that he would have more power as a pre-Mending planeswalker, though that might still seem like peanuts compared to the omniscience and ability to just conjure people in with the creation ability he has as the creator of the plane/multiverse.
>>98654923Cthulu is a male priest.
>>98654923>It was the first time he had actually seen Her: the titan, Emrakul.This story was released a decade ago when you were not old enough to post on this website. Fucking cope.
>>98654848I love how "they" reveals ESLs every single time.
>>98654957I actually like this, but why would you ever use it when 3GG gets you OG Gearhulk stuff? Just like most of this set, it is "close" to being playable but not quite.
>>98654945>you know what else was written thousands of years ago? That the earth was flat! Take that chud
>>98654962its playable in my meria edh deck
>>98654962You can smack someone at haste speed for 6
>>986549716 mana 6/6 haste (conditional) is mid
>>98654980its only 5 mana, the haste pays for itself
>>98654971>>98654980You can do it functionally for five on its own because the Heartwood lets you pay both costs.
>>98654968Are you ok dude? What's your point actually? It's a work of fiction.
>>98654988It's a bad work of fiction correct
>>98654988just like your sex life
>>98654998Ok, but Emrakul is a she in this work of fiction.>>98655002That's just a no you.
>>98654910Eidolon of the Great Fuck Red
I don't know if I'm just too detached from MTG now but I never cared too much about the Strixhaven colleges so seeing their "inverted" versions had barely any effect on meIn fact I feel like they have really overused the guild model of multicolor factions, all of those kind of started to blur into each other
>>98655018Yes and that's why the work of fiction is bad, because cthulu expies become less scary and lesser forces of nature the more you know about them
>>98655030cthulhu was never meant to be a "force of nature" nigger, the opposite actually
>>98655023>if you cast itwhy do they put this shit in when the only reanimate deck in standard gets around it?
when is the last time a big magic storyline actually had a satisfying ending?
>>98655041Uhhh. Time Spiral's story ended alright. War of the Spark, like, theoretically ended alright it's just it was written like dogshit.
>>98655041gonna play devils advocate and point out that even in the 3-set block days magic stories usually ended on a wet fartI really wish MTG would go back to 2-set blocks at least, you can even do the UB slop if you really insist as a breather inbetween (as long as they aren't legal in formats like standard or modern)
>>98655039Feel free to mention cthulu's ulterior human motives at the next thread so we can laugh at you
Warms my heart that Kiora always has a nice rack
>>98655048Didn't say the 3 set blocks had good story endings, was just asking when the last good ending was. I've been playing since 2012 and can't remember a good one.
>>98654899PT grand finals went to game 5 because the person who went first won every game btw.
>>98655077Kamigawa and Lorwyn blocks were good self-contained stories with satisfying storiesThey also concidentally didnt sell well to the playerbase
>>98655077Honestly even Invasion's story didn't end that great. It was cool until it was solved by Urza's head going "Ah-hah, all these random fucking doo-dads become a GIANT LASER THAT KILLS YAWGMOTH".
>>98655045Was it really?>Bolas lost because he gave control of the evil desparking monsters to Liliana without any sort of master override then stood next to the only entities capable of killing him while trusting Liliana wouldn't betray him when she's already clearly showing signs of wavering loyalty
>>98655042Cute cadet
I just realized I haven't spent a single dime on a single/pack/product released in 2026. I'm not even actively boycotting magic, it just all fucking sucks.
>>98655082what format is that?
>>98655095You're clearly boycotting edh though
are we really going back to emrakul and bolas being the big bads? arent there any other villains in magic?
>>98655104There's a vague set up for the Fomori being the next ones, but honestly no real clear avenue. Emrakul doesn't really seem actually malicious now she's free to do her thing. It mostly seemed to be Ugin basically fucked that whole situation up with the Eldrazi. Bolas I can see them taking a few more years to bring back to the front proper.
>>98655030>"Enough!" Jace shouted. "You are here for a reason! You could kill me any number of ways, with your swords or your tentacles, but you're not. You're sitting here, uttering nonsense...why? I don't understand what you're saying and I don't understand what you want. Help me. Please." As Jace talked his anger cooled, but it was replaced by something even more useful. Focus. He felt a fog clearing, a fog that only in its recession revealed how much it was obscuring.>"Do you play chess?" The voice continued as if Jace had been spouting as much nonsense as she was. Jace was tempted to shout again, but didn't think it would do much good. Besides, he did play chess. He was quite good at it.>"Yes, I play chess.">"Would you play a game with me?" She stopped writing and rolled up the scroll.>"I'm not sure I have time to play...">"If you win, this all stops. I will give you all the answers you want." She tucked the scroll behind her.>Jace suspected a trap, but he was really good at chess. "And if you win?">"I am already winning, Jace Beleren. Let us play a game."We know jack shit about Emrakul and her motivations. This makes her interesting character Because she is for all intents and purposes, a blank slate.Blank slate that Wotc will smear shit all over, but it's fun to wonder.
>>98655041Magic as an IP doesn't lend itself to good stories. Because basically all the development time for sets is spent on the setting and the story is built after. A good story requires a much higher density of the thematic elements tying together while in Magic they're generally tied up in representing the color pie. This is most prominent in the Lorwyn Five where they're spent nearly 20 years not actually developing as characters because their personalities have to represent one set of personality traits and nothing else.That's why people like the stories most when it's in the phase where characters are just bumbling around. At best the story lends itself to episodic worldbuilding moments, but it's horrible for serialized storytelling because the cracks become much more pronounced.
>>98655104Emrakul was a wise elder female influence to Tam, so she isnt evil any more.
>>98655093Liliana was never loyal to Bolas, Bolas just thought that she was sufficiently afraid of death (which he could enforce at will) that she'd obey him. And even when she betrayed him, it would have been in vain if Gideon hadn't sacrificed himself.
>>98655111And yet giving emrakul a gender already betrays her motivations; she cleans up dead universes for the sake of the multiverse just like a good housewife throws out the trash to clean the house
>>98655111>Jace suspected a trap, but he was really good at chess. "And if you win?">"I am already winning, Jace Beleren. Let us play a game."Pretty cool exchange.
>>98655115Except it wasn't. Even if Gideon didn't sacrifice himself, all that changes is Liliana dies instead of him. It was a tremendously stupid plan to the point it's inexcusable even trying to use the lens of "well he was just arrogant so he assumed everyone else would think like him". He's already allegedly a master manipulator (now as for the quality of that being conveyed is another matter entirely) so he would already be immensely familiar with the fact there are people that don't share his personal motivations. The only way that story works is when you lobotomize him to think there's no risk involved in standing within grabbing distance of the only entities capable of killing him when he was basically just aura farming the entire time and therefore had no other responsibilities at the most important phase of his plan. It's like Nintendo boss design where the BBEG is standing in a room filled with the only thing capable of killing him then says "ha ha don't you dare press that button that drops rocks on my head!"
i will miss hexhaven...
“Flavorfully, the card was designed to be an epic Theorix spell,” principal game designer Yoni Skolnik tells Polygon. “Placeholder names for the card included Evil Math and Absolute Value. I know so many Magic players whose favorite thing about the game can be boiled down to doing math and being evil (myself included), and the design of Theorix cards is in many ways a love letter to those players.”
>>98655130>"Just shut up, Jace! Listen, just listen. It wasn't me. It...she...took me over. Do you understand? It was not me! I was there, in my own body, helpless as she came in and took over. My eyes, my hands, my voice...she took them all over. They were not mine." Her cries became full sobs.>A voice came back to him, her voice as he had watched his chess pieces stab and kill each other. They are all my pieces, Jace Beleren. They always were. I just no longer want to play.It's a really good story arc, and well written too.
>>98655157this goes into the gay monoB mill decks with Tef's Tutelage or whatever it is
>>98655157>Dredge to add Grave-troll>Discard Grave-troll>Cruel calculations>Dredge to add Grave-trollAmazing mill support WotC.
>>98655164Can vintage dredge even run this?
>>98655147I'm disappointed the Sphinxes don't interact with instants and sorceries like the recent Dragons did.
>>98654061I really like these compared to the strixhaven ones>every mode of RB is useful in a prowess deck >UB is cheap conditional interaction that can cycle, bonus points if you have some graveyard payoff>RG seems the weakest but mana acceleration that can also be turned into damage is no joke>UW is straight up unsubstantiate++, any deck that goes wide in these colors could make use of it >GW is protection and removal that you can also cycle
>>98655172No but I think quite ironically it's better in non-manaless dredge because those decks actually do something, contrasting the traditional mill this is supposed to support.
>>98655074At least the fish can have nice boobs. Loot must be afraid of water or cant' swim.
>>98655187>Next set is underwaterTitty set!
>>98655187He's busy learning his Ravnican alphabet.
>>98654300This seems really fucking degenerate
>O>MY>EMRAKULMan this story disappointed.Man this set is overhyped.
anyone wanna behold and empower jace with me?
>>98655272Soon you will enjoy a real setThe set that will save Magic
Wasn't the initial premise of this Jace erasing Phyrexia?Where are all the non-compleated versions of the characters that got oiled?
>>98655319Probably in the Commander deck.
>>98655319Shut up chud, you try to design a better set.
>>98655157>epic>doing math>evilall you do is count. they got evil I'm not sure about the other two.
>>98655319>Where are all the non-compleated versions of the characters that got oiled?enjoying their normal lives in the regular multiverse after the writers forgot about that arc the second it ended.
>>98655319This set should have been a block, but here we are with a half assed history, at least they killed Jace
>>98652075Same prepared spell.
>>98655349>at least they killed JaceI doubt that.
>>98654794i need my monoB avacyn that sorin had to make to keep humans in check because they were hunting down too many werewolves
>>98655319They got better : )
>>98655351We've been over this all common and uncommon creatures will share the same 5 spells.They are all literally NPCs and deserve to die.
>>98655349It should have been a 2 block set, the first one presenting the school with watermark cards, deans, mythic lessons and elder sphinixes and the second one the conflict per seHard to care for Hexhaven if they were destined to die in their fisrt apperence
>>98655328Counting is hard, man. I'm not even sure they teach it to undergrads anymore.
>>98655381this, just this.now they killed hexhaven and any chance for interesting fractured reality conflict in the worst way possible.
>Create-a-Jace>Every character gets an Evil Spock>Most generic mechanics everThis is the worst set of all time by far and nothing else comes close.
>>98655074Kiora proven the most powerful being in the cosmos. The only being able to fend off Loot.
>>98655409I'll accept the hyperbole because the set mechanics are really bad and it's definitely one of the worst ones in the last several years (even DFT had Cycling and Exhaust to salvage it from the turd that was Max Speed). However Magic definitely had worse sets.
>>98654910>Whenever an opponent casts a spell with mana value 2 or less, you ga-DENIED.
>>98655371So what you're saying is that the villains are unambiguously evil in this set?
>>98655422>However Magic definitely had worse sets.I concede. It is very tough to top Ikoria on the shit scale. Still, this one is absolutely in the absolute fucking vomit tier alongside MKM and DFT ho ly fuck is this shit garbage.
>>98652085My cousin is on the marketing teamthe marketing reflects her sense of humor
>>98655443did she have to do a casting couch with mark rosewater to get the job?
>>98653190this
>>98655445she unironically worked with Weinstein at one point so its not out of the question. yeah turns out if you are an overmedicated loose woman with the slightest (and I do mean slightest) hint of skill you can get in anywhere.
>>98655424this dies to all relevant nonred removal without the emblem triggering, but they can always just not block it and just tank it with lifegain. a real hatebear just prevents things without having you jump through hoops.
>>98655484>shocks my own creature
>>98655488ok hassan
>>98655484>"I remove your Screaming Neme-">Shock. G2?
>>98654633Stole it from someone. Pioneer Jund Delirium looks nice actually
>>98654382I'm biased against hexhaven because it's lazy. They could have done better for the remaining color pairs than "strixhaven school but evil!" They even did the current funny "evil version of evil thing is soft" with vigorbloom.
>>98652041Wait, is her our Emrakul or Jace's Emrakul?She looks almost like a human torso in regular art.>>98652416Shit art on both.>>98652699I like both.>>98652734shit>>98654061Yeah, they good.>>98654300This could be broken if formats weren't as degenerate as they are now>>98654382Sad.>>98654493And nobody cares.>>98654499somewhat good?>>98654503on being more retarded?
>>98654603Instead of the guild champion from Dragon Maze, Ruric&Thar went to the simic instead? That is cool imo.>>98654843Wasn't one of the heads supposed to be smashed or have a head injury?>>98654910A few years earlier this would be huge.>>98654957cool, I miss og Mirrodin>>98655023Shit. Hostage Taker was better and saw no play.>>98655042meh>>98655167cool>>98655286I like the Hexhaven part of this set :(
>>98655632>>98655653What goes on inside your head when you mass reply to random posts and give dumb responses like>meh>cool>shitWho do you think wants to read that?
>>98655040It's intended to prevent flickers, and particularly instant speed flickers. WotC hates instant speed Duress effects.
>>98655586>fatal push>thoughtseize>grim flayer>goyfwe are so fucking BACK Jund Bros...
>>98655666Would you rather see 20 replies to spoilers or just one or 2 multireply post? Think, think, retard.If half of the 30 anons posting in this thread were as schizo as multireply posters this thread/board wouldn't be such a cesspool
>>98655715I'd rather have the 20 replies and the multireply posters shot.
>>98655715>Many replies are just a single wordQuality over quantity you fucking sperg. Just pick one or two to reply to instead of sending all this fucking nonsense. You moron, you idiot, you complete fucking nincompoop.
>play against storm pilot playing Bryant_Cook's latest list>he makes the observation that he messed up by casting gamble to get echo and not holding priority and sacing LED>explain to him that the timing of LED doesn't matter because you want to discard your hand to cast echo for its flashback cost anyway>he doesn't get it>rephrase and explain again>"yeah i don't think that's how it works but okay"
>>98654493That flavor text is disgusting.>>98652699Why is the blue version a hamfisted allusion to Traft? Why is she suddenly a cleric?
>>98654917this will not get confusing at all with effects that make you target an opponent where they have to choose shit and then the creature does something and uses the pronoun
>>98652318That's why they repeatedly described Hexhaven students as having blank stares, so you know they're not real people.>>98652366Same.
>>98655941>having the boomer stares, so you know they're not real peoplenot even subtle anymore
This card is canonically trans btw, it's not because it has 2 heads.
>>98655969Which half is the feminine side? Asking for a friend
>>98653086The whole (or rather a third of the whole) point of the Echoverse was no Bolas.
>>98653245>Oh and there's also going to be an entire decade of insufferable trannies insisting that Tam is actually jace's subconscious desire to troon out and not his daughter with Vraska despite literally being half gorgonLike >>98653231 and>>98654334
>>98654012>just a schoolgirl with a hair accessorySo fucking lame.
>>98655093>>98655115>>98655139I think it was reasonable for Bolas to assume Liliana would be afraid of death enough to be compliant since her fear of mortality is why she ended up in such a mess in the first place.
>>98654233
>>98655969I wonder if they will start to ignore the gender of the characters and write they/them on the card.R&T were male last time I checked, unless gender ideology became a thing in Ravnica together with detective hats...
>>98655952Boomer stare? The only time I've heard a similar expression was millennials complaining about "zoomed stare" because they get angry the young workers at Starbucks don't greet them with fake smiles.
>>98655969it should be "it" because it's a fucking cardalso "it" is shorter so you can squeeze more rules on a card, a thing wotc loves to do
>>98656074Edgar is refered as "He" on its card.
Jace's basic assumption seems to be that people are assholes and can only learn to not be assholes by experiencing suffering firsthand.
>>98656273
The token is pretty.
>>98656287>Sculpture TreasureBUT VIASHINO WERE ONE TYPE TOO MANY
>>98656295Gotta make way for all the UB types with like 2 cards instead!
New thread?
>>98656287This is the first interesting design in the set and even then it's boring.
>>98656270>Erika Kirk, the Survivor>Giest of St. Kirk
>>98656389Imho it's a fun gimmick that the art connects from both sides
>>98656336Here you go>>98656422>>98656422>>98656422
>>98655042she cute
>>98656064The reason she ended up in her mess was trying to save someone else. "Master manipulator" can't put 2 and 2 together at the most risky and important phase of his plan, instead giving unchecked power to one person.
>>98656295It's reusing 2 types.
>>98656263Why is she so fat in the blue one?
>>98656259Jarring how black gideon doesn't look like any gideon ever outside of hair+beard
>>98656270If only Big Thalia was 2W. I like that both look like Thalia
>>98656287I hate how bad alternate Vraska is. It is like they wanted something like Jeskai Ascendancy but it is way worse.
>>98656400both are shit
