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Tremere supremacy!
We love our Ravnos, don't we folks?
Still waiting for that one anon to continue his Wilde fanfic
>>98651166JJBA lookin ass
>>98651146But that image doesn't even list half of the paths that a standard issue Tremere neonate is capable of.
>>98651166Not really.But I do like that Disney song "Hellfire".
>>98651203That would cause too much butthurt.
I love how there can be page after page of Thaumaturgy, and then it takes one paragraph to explain what the first five dots of Celerity do
>>98651236>CelerityClans with Celerity: Toreawhores, Br*jahs, ass'mites.For those guys even one paragraph is a lot.
>>98651203Anon, why are you so set on repeating this bait long after it's gone stale? You barely even catch any anons anymore, you don't even have replied for half the times you post it.Get better bait. Make some real fucking Skub while you're at it.
>>98651439>you don't even have replied*Have repliesPeople haven't replied to you half the time.
Why does everyone ignore the fact that the other Fera are just as responsible for the War of Rage and Impergium as the Garou?
>>98651458Anon, all the fera are retarded. The garou happen to be the loudest retards of them all.
>>98651458because the garou "won" and are the only ones in-universe who at large don't see anything wrong with the war of rage the fact that Jonas did not consider the war to have been a good thing was considered revolutionary and controversial inuniverse and something he had screaming matches with silver fang elders over
>>98651471>are the only ones in-universe who at large don't see anything wrong with the war of rageThat's limited to very specific tribes, the majority of unreliable narrator takes on the War of Rage have a "man, we fucked up" perspective.
>>98651458literally how? Even if you consider the provocations canon they are still entirely responsible for attacking and killing lmao. Just because uhmmm.. the werebears didnt revive one of our guys doesn't make it in any way justified to attack them or whatever other reason is given. Literal tardrage retard tier move in the most garou-favored interpretations possible, which may themselves also be fucking made up cope.So no, they weren't equally responsible for getting attacked and genocided by Garou at all. They were at worst responsible of mildly provoking Garou and not serving them unquestionably and subsequently defending themselves.
>>98651483>which may themselves also be fucking made up cope.Basically every Garou-sympathetic take regarding the War of Rage comes from non-Garou narrators.
what would be a good primary setite sorcery path?
>>98651510Snake magic
>>98651510>setite sorcery pathDivine hand or UshabtiRevelations of duat for temu necromancy.
>>98651458The vast majority of them are secondaries who have never opened a WtA book anon. They interact with it though memes, second hand knowledge and eating up vamp or magewank. Having the past be everyone's fault for different reasons is too nuanced a position.The Garou are still huge fuck ups tho.
>>98651458Garou fucked up the most, with their fuck-ups having the longest-lasting effects too.
Now it seems from what little of V6 has shown to us is that over-correction is the direction whitewolf chose for this edition. Which all but assured that W6 would actually de-emphasis to outright remove the activist metaphor and re-focus more on bane fighting.And the plot would go something like this.Gaia isn't dead and the garou would somehow find out about that fact pivot the main conflict of surviving the death of gaia to the garou trying to trying to figure out a way out a way to revive her and most tribes having some very Vocal disagreements on how that would be accomplished. Yet despite that the garou as a whole knows they need to pool resources which leads to the reformation of the garou nation.Oh yeah the moderates from the Cult of Fenris rose up and purged the leadership so the Cults good now. Now didn't the cult already purged the moderates ? Well as a very smart man would say "Don't think about it".What are you're take on how a W6 would pan out?
>>98651510Path of Thoth (aka Focused Mind) and Path of Anubis (aka Spirit Manipulation) are pretty broken and something a lot of tremere would very much like to be allowed to take as primary path instead of path of bloodand beside that you can pretty much go either curse magician (Snake Inside,Path of the Dry Nile, Path of Corruption) minion master (Ushabti, Revelations of Duat, Revelations of Midgard) or a very powerful general bag of trick magician (Immanence of Set, Divine Hand, Path of Duat) who can destroy people from afar, summon stroms, curse items etc
>>98651562I don't think 6th edition is going to survive long enough for us to get around to werewolf. Their focus on mage and changeling could be interesting. They are really going to have to think about the metaphysics of the setting and not just handwave it though loss of access to the umbra like they did with W5. It could be a chance for them to unify and clarify the metaphysical side of WoD but given their track record in recent years I see it being a disaster that will only make developing the setting harder in the future.
>>98651562We'll be lucky if we see a mostly AI-generated W7, sometime around 2034.
>>98651562yeah w6 in...2040? if at all. w5 was so shit they put changeling into it's place instead so it's going to be a while before we hear of woofs again
>>98651564>Snake Inside
>>98651562Meant to add to >>98651575 but werewolf is always a lot more interesting when ST and writers focus on the >mystical atavaistic warriors with dark primal power in a metaphysical conflictthen the >ecoterrorists who are sometimes a wolf fighting evil corporationsYes climate degradation and greedy corpos should be a front of the conflict that WtA is about but not the focus. Not by a long shot.The whole climate activist overfocus in W5 was bad and a terrible introduction to what the game could be to new players. I think W5 sold so poorly that they might not even be willing to touch it again for a long time.
>>98651591Still better than a giant spider ambush in 'Straya.
>>98651591i know the name is a meme but it's actually a really fun path that controls addiction to the point where you can give people a addiction or compulsion for certain actions that make a heroine addiction look like a joke like you can make people DIE* if they don't go after their addiction at 4 dots and at 5 dots you can turn off the pleasure part of it and they only get it back at your mercy>*Whenever she goes for three consecutive nights without indulging her addiction or compulsion, the subject suffers one health level of unsoakable lethal damage. The only way to regain health levels lost in this way is to satisfy the compulsion
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaOBgcfCc7Ileast obvious pentex subsidiaries ceo
>>98651666>guy who hypes up turning people into crackheads but for puppy murder>666okay satan i am gonna take it as primary path
>>98651666Interesting.Could I make "having sex with me" an addiction, mr Satan?
>>98651686Looks like a trustworthy weapons seller.
>>98651562>What are you're take on how a W6 would pan out?Something like "everything is fine" go deal with small fry pentex bullshit. No irl mobilization PLEASE!
>>98651166>>98651166No, I dislike them, their concept, their discipline, and their characters. Their concept sucks as evidence by their weakness getting changed every edition because racism or something, and the coolest thing they ever did was get killed. Salubri should've remained a clan with these clowns being relegated to Bloodline.
>>98651064What made the red man red?
>>98651686>Mage with Mind convinces you to buy a gun even if you didn't need one
>>98651720Red paint.
>>98651691dot 1 to 4 are in Blood Magic: Secrets of Thaumaturgy, but because of a printing error the 5th dot is at the start of Blood Sacrifice The Thaumaturgy Companion>>98651703the text of the first dot power says >Whenever the target sees another chance to repeat the triggering behavior, he must make a Willpower roll (difficulty equals the Setite’s Willpower) to stop himself from doing soso depending on the st the behavior might be sex with you or just the same kind of sex in general. although if you have the 3rd dot you get to remove the willpower roll while the victim is in your presence>While the Setite is in the presence of the target, the player rolls Manipulation + Seduction against a difficulty equal to the target’s Willpower and spends a blood point. If successful, any qualms the victim might have about removing the barriers to the satisfaction of her cravings melt away — she may not even spend Willpower points to overcome the addiction and she’ll gladly leave her offi ce during the middle of work to score a hit. The effect lasts for one scene per blood point spent.which makes it sex with you again regardless of st interpretation of the first dot power
>>98651727Cool.Time to steal some magic from the sneks.
Can a Stargazer abomination learn Thaumaturgy?
>>98651871abomination's can learn any discipline. Although learning protean is a bit redundant
>>98651591>Snek getting trapped and confused in a PC because the overclocked CPU feeds their addiction to WARM.How do Naga deal with their inherent derpy snekness to try to be edgy assassins?
>>98651909they used to play it up so that everyone assumed they are harmless dancers and now they just let everyone assume that the derpy snakes must have died out
>>98651183The artist was inspired by JJBA's fashion, yes. https://youtu.be/OcrV5hc5k3U
>>98651562There isn't going to be a W6. It's too racist to have white people dress up in tribal stereotypes.
>>98651923You just fixed Werewolf, you can only be black or a black wolf.
>>98651562Blame paradox for not letting you fight corporations anymore. That's also why the video game sucked.
>>98651930>black people are violent savages who ruin everythingokay hitler
>>98651750>they got another oneKek. No sure if it's in Clanbook Setite or Cairo by Night but Setites LOVE Tremere and jingling keys in front of them in the form of new thaumaturgy/serpentis precisely because they know Tremere are shortsighted power-hungry rubes that won't notice how the bill is racking up till they are too deep in the snek cult and snek debt. I think only Toreador are easier marks for them.
>>98651720What made the red man red?What made the red man red?Let's go back a million yearsTo the very first Injun princeHe kissed a maid and start to blushAnd we've all been blushin' sinceYou've got it from the headmanThe real true story of the red manNo matter what's been written or saidNow you know why the red man's red!
>>98651985one of the two Blood Magic books mentions that the council of seven actually made it illegal in the 90s (till further notice) to research setite sorcery because they lost so many members to the serpents because of itbut i imagine making it a forbidden fruit just makes the sale even easier given that tremere apprentices tend to look for any way to get a head start on the rest and setites love selling forbidden fruit to people
>>98651871Yes, and it'll still get mogged by vampire fomori. Vampires have immunity to all the negative effects of banes possession unless the get possessed by a very limited whitelist of bane types(Blood, Death, and later editions added Madness banes).Banes never willingly do this though. Vampires are basically unliving roach motels to them.
>>98652056>the council of seven actually made it illegal in the 90sAnd?The council of seven have made researching the tremere exclusive magics illegal, dark thaum illegal, and manufacture of gargoyles illegal, but the books are clear that elder tremere still do any or all of these regularly. "Illegal" in pyramid-ese just means "Don't do it in front of outsiders and don't leave any traces you did it".
>>98652145this time it's actually the other way around outsiders won't give a shit (because blood magic is blood magic to lay people) but insiders will be pissedother than that i already pointed out why this is a stupid move that plays into the setite's hand
WtF session three went well last night.The PCs all retreated to Dodge's den (aka: the Dodgy Den), a small cottage that had been abandoned and reclaimed by the wilderness. Flowers, vines and all sorts of flora have overrun the place, but a few rooms inside are relatively habitable. As they bickered into the night, Dolly (our Cahalith) awoke to the sound of wolves howling. Looking outside, she saw the creatures. Well over a dozen of them, eyes alternately as white as starlight or red as blood. They patrolled the perimeter of the cottage, but when Dolly went to awake a packmate, the wolves vanished. Everyone went outside to investigate, and Dodge (our Ithaeur) concluded that they had vanished into the Hisil itself. There were pawprints, lingering scents etc, so the wolves were definitely real and not ghosts. That night, Dolly had a dream. The pack were stood on a pier, where their Totems locus is. The water about them buckled and broke as wolves emerged from it. Dozens, then hundreds. The wolves watched the Pack. She awoke in a fright. For time constraints, we then jumped ahead in the day a bit to that evening, where the group had arranged a meeting (via Ghoul) with a local Kindred called Dominic. A note here is that the Ghoul never met Stray, our Irraka, and so Dominic expects to meet for three people. The meeting is at a local house, the White Horse. Stray goes there early and spends an afternoon and evening nursing pints and eating ham, egg and chips. Dominic arrives, a young man in a sharp suit with a perm from a decade ago. He has a briefcase, and takes a table. The pack arrive, and the meeting is afoot. Baz, our Rahu, is openly confrontational for the whole affair, while Dolly and Doge try to mediate. Dominic explains that the PCs have done him a favour, locating that strange creature last session. It was indeed, a vampire. Shocker.
>>98652249 Dominic and his Ghoul are under the impression that the PCs are Hunters, and under this pretence Dominic attempts to hire them. He tells them about a pack of werewolves (my god!) in Maldon, that have muscled him and some friends out of town, and are causing trouble for the people of the town. To that end, he opens his briefcase and offers the PCs a leather roll of sharpened, silver blades. The PCs struggle to maintain their composure, recoiling and reacting visibly to this. With 1 Intelligence, and 1 Occult, brave Dominic pieces together that the PCs must be Werewolves, to fear silver so. He changes tactics, and instead offers a partnership to the PCs. The Pure (though he doesn't know that name) are causing trouble for everyone, and both parties present would benefit from their removal. If the PCs can deal with the Pure, and allow Dominic and his pals to claim the town of Maldon, he promises a mutually beneficial partnership. Quid pro quo, the Kindred and Uratha stay out of oneanothers ways, but exchange pertinent information as and when. The PCs agree to this. Next session, they plan to follow the river Blackwater into Maldon, planning to call upon their Totem (a spirit of a small tributary creek) to aid them in this. They considered entering the Hisil to scout the town out and identify the Pure. I'm excited by this, and need to think of some fun wrench to throw in the works. I made it clear to them that if they try to fight the Pure in a field mano a mano, they will get annihilated. Hopefully they keep that in mind, the Pure's totem is fucking nasty.
>>98651483>They were at worst responsible of mildly provoking GarouYeah yeah.>Ananasi got mad that they were attacked while serving the Wyrm so they created War of Rage to try to fuck Garou up>Nagah, whose whole purpose is already skethy since they asssasinate people, got one of their important ones corrupted who then proved Garou by killing the son of one of the heads of the peace-wanting factionç>Gurahl, whose supernatural flaw is making themselves supernaturally stubborn when they decide they are right, decided they didn't need to do shit.>Grondr, so arrogant that they judge others but not themselves, showed themselves into a situation that didn't involve themselves and furthermore attack Garou in a stupid attempt to get revenge for Gurahl, literally causing their extinction
>>98652263Gaia(if we believe the shifters) is retarded. I mean it, each brand of shifter has some ridiculous flaw which bites everyone in the as. Gaia can be summed up with >An IQ too low?
>>98652263>one nagah assassinates some garoutime to spergout and erase a race from existence!>ananasiare barely gaian shifters and do usually deserve everything coming for them>gurahlThey're doiing nothing????? OH MY GAIA KILL THEM ALL.>Grondr judging us for attacking the others, coming to their aidGENOCIDE THEM TOO, THEY HAD IT COMING THEY FOUGHT BACK how the fuck do you think this makes garou look not completely responsible and retarded? They are still the ones completely in the wrong in the end, not to mentiont he fact that the victor ultimately has the responsibility to act justly, even if their war had been justified.
>>98652307To be fair, almost every supernatural progenitor entity is retarded. Can anyone claim that Caine has an IQ over 100?
>>98651666Oh. I thought it might relate to that Inconnu power that makes people shit and vomit out giant cobras all night.
>>98652307Honestly, Gaia nor Celestines nor Garou Totems seems to care. Like, you think they would say, do or at least order something when War of Rage was happening.>>98652317Nagah might tell others they were created to judge others but you know how suspicious they are overall right?Ananasi is the reason why other shifter got into War of Rage in the first place since they are the ones originally serving the Wyrm! They went and inflated the tension with other Fera and Garou. They have a huge chunk of the responsiblity. That's what I am telling you about.Gurahl doing "nothing", when nothing is not saving the life of someone deserving even according to their own standard, isn't nothing.Grondr wasn't attacked! They attacked when Gurahl took shelter with them and Grondr decided it was their business to escalate!>how the fuck do you think this makes garou look not completely responsible and retarded? They are still the ones completely in the wrong in the end, not to mentiont he fact that the victor ultimately has the responsibility to act justly, even if their war had been justified.Nope. We know from numerous accounts that Garou had reasonable reasons to do what they did.What wasn't reasonable was how far they went but we are literally talking about a race where Rage is a stat so it isn't surprising.
Can garou asks human spirits that were never garou for gifts? It'd be awesome if I could get the 300 to shield me from silver bullets.
>>98652415there are human ancestor spirits in wta, but they are weird and eldritch beings according to the garou and i think they only deal with their direct bloodline
>>98652415yes but I would argue they don't like you and would require some severe bans and chiminage, but the way werewolves are generally portrayed all spirits seem to love them way too much (despite the core material explicitly saying many spirits despise them), this is really much more a mage/sorcerer sort of spirit.So in essence, the way I see it properly portrayed the spirit of the 300 would tell a black fury to eat shit and kill herself, despite being perfectly not-wyrm. But the average wta writer will still give a Black Fury a 300 gift because cool.
>>98652415Yes man created spirits all the time but for game balance reasons their ability to get gifts which just completely shut down guns is limited.Technically a jam technology gift could make silver weaponry useless and Garou can get that at about low rank so its not that uncommon to run into werewolves who can simply shut silver weapons down.
>>98652436Of course the 300 would tell a Black Fury to eat shit, their closest analogues are the amazons (who sided with Troy. Sure, that was in the Bronze Age, but greeks are greeks). What about a Silver Fang who can prove he descends from Leonidas himself?
>>98652249>>98652254Interesting. What makes this Pure pack's Totem so nasty?
>>98651064NOW YOUR JUST SOMEBODY THAT I USED TO KNOW
>>98651064Jumpsacring them by shoving a shotgun up their face while screaming like a psychopath.
>>98652460This would make Leonidas Kinfolk and thus invalidates the premise of the question I think, unless you meant strictly non-garou instead of a general "associated with garou".
>>98652592Non-supernatural at all.
>>98652566I wonder what the person posting this thought humans were doing throughout history for most of their lives, other than working, sleeping and doing chores.
>>98652522It's pretty damn strong. It's on the verge of being a rank 4 Spirit, it has a small pack of spirit followers (ilthum, umia, whichever one it is) that are similarly vicious in various ways, and it has a very tight leash on its Pure pack. Sanguine Scourge of Weakness is an old spirit of bloodletting as a means of healing. Old chirurgeon bleeding-style. It appears as a monstrously inflated human heart, the arteries and veins of it tipped with scalpels. Its Ban (which applies also to its pack) is that no bloodflow may be hampered by hand or intent. If the Pure get hit, they have to tough it out (Uratha regeneration is allowed, but spending Essence is a no-go, Medicine too). If any enemies nearby are wounded, the Totem will use its Blood Influence to rip the wounds open for aggravated damage. It has the usual suspects as far as Numina and Manifestations go, but it isn't above drawing some blood itself with scalpel-tipped arteries. Its Banes are any sort of blood-borne medication, anticoagulants and that sort of thing. If it tastes them, it has a bad time. If the PCs somehow manage to inject the Spirit with them, it'll explode rather spectacularly I'm sure.
>>98652415Try asking The Man for help and see what kind of pretzel you'll have to bend yourself into.
Wraith Q. So why do other players have to be the Shadow instead of the ST? You'd think that would cut down on the ThatGuy-isms.
>>98652717the idea behind it was that the shadow was meant to be a character near equal to the player character itself so making the shadow another npc for the story teller would a.) bind you to a bunch of gmpcs and b.) be a lot of work for the st because again those guys where meant to be as deep as they been awful i personally don't think it works or is as much of a problem to leave to the st as white wolf seemed to have thought it would be
It's not actually possible to be infected by a bane just because you visited a website, is it?
>>98652415You can homebrew rules for human spirits, like Simo Hayha making you perfectly accurate in combat but must kill normal wolves if they threaten livestock in return.
>>98652717Wraith expects you to be playing with a table of mature roleplayers. If that is the case then its fine. Expecting the ST to run an individualised antagonist which is constantly hounding each player is a DnD approach which would put huge strain on them, on top of running the game. If you have to have the game to be designed around your table being full of shitty problem players it is not the games fault.
Anansianon hereI'm probably going to get the next story chapter out tomorrow. It's going to focus more on the metaphysical and spiritual nature of the spider MC, but we're also going to get more of our Mage and the Middle Eastern funnel-web spider LARPing as a vampire.
>>98652750From my own experience, I would say you can be.
>>98652750Anyone who has any kind of spiritual, mental or moral hole, pollution or weakness in them is a potential target for banes. But a full possession into being fused with a bane and becoming formori is less common then just being reversibly influenced.So to answer the next question yes 4channers are spiritually, mentally and morally polluted.
Hunter The Parenting thing: in light of 6.1 humanizing the werewolves yet showing they hate a guy who was actually heroic and an ally, plus of course Stig killing Grimal, what are the chances of Big D killing one of them and not feeling bad because he too lacks context?
>>98652820>>98652844So... we are all being influenced by banes by now? How many of us have one crawling up their asses to actually turn them into fomor?
>>98652888The woofs are the new group
>>98652888Until we get a flashback of how the Licks left the Ductus and how Kevin met them, then even Pyotr becomes relatable.
>>98652892Oh I was a souless husk well before posting here regularly. They would have got me long ago if they wanted to.
Are there garou that acknowledge a hunter killing their families in revenge for them doing it first as fair, regardless of rage?
>>98652931Probably not "fair" but "understandable"
>>98650689Why not just like bless the blood so itacts as holy water too ? Even better, why not get a priest to transform ritualistically wine into the blood of Jesus Christ ?
>>98652931How many blood feuding groups in real life decide that the feud is done just because they killed another one of yours?
>>98652956Ones that realize that keeping it going will only en with both dead. Sure, that's not how it work in real life, but WOD isn't real life, is it?
>>98651169I'm on it, 'm just buried with a full-time job and a thesis and other shit I want to write, like the Grimal and Susu fics. The upside is that once I do get around to posting something, there'd probably be another video or two with even more Matilda content so I could keep it canon-compliant. Not superbly sure how to best incorporate the very much plain and bland Anon insert who is explicitly off in some unclear way into things but I'm sure there is a way.
>>98652909>Oh I was a souless husk well before posting here regularly.
>>98651169The one with a hunter?
>>98652956How many blood feuding groups in real life are as responsible for the world going to shit as the Garou?
>>98652892>we are all being influenced by banes by now?I have weakness for big guys.
>>98653008I can think of several, but let's no get political this early in the day.
>>98653023UUUU
>>98653023For you
>>98651064>NY by Night stopped right when things picked upffffuuuuuuuuuckkk
>>98653033Oh I certainly hope so!
>>98651458I mean this is just facts.Wyrm and Dragons are the same thing. You are completely justified in smashing every werecroc egg in the nests you raid, because it is one less reptilian abomination to face in battle later.
>>98652812Also welcoming critique
>>98652717>I know some Wraith player that played in a chronicle like that.>>98652812Nice.
Has it ever occurred to the garou to tell at least SOME people that Pentex is evil? FFS they behave like Captain Planet's villains, except satanic-like, it wouldn't be that hard for some to see what they'r really like.
>>98653140How is that working out with real life corporations, anon?
>>98653140They do it all the time. But it's hard to do without sounding like a tree hugging moron. And showing that your actually a supernatural monster who causes primal terror in the hearts of men, so they should trust what you say, also goes poorly. The second approach results in First Teams rapidly approaching their location if it ever goes public.
What are the chances that Gaia will go spanish hunter if she wins and outright kills the fera when they're no longer needed?
>>98653170Then sound like a guy who discovered what Umbrella does, dummy. also, if the first teams go against, say, the arcanum or hunters, they might not return
>>98653171Just release all the plagues the ratkin have and give them a ash winter.Like a fever you die or they die.
>>98653140okay? Who do you tell? Garou are hated by pretty much all non-garou. Garou, in turn, are tremendously unlikely to leak information to people who would act on it because they know nobody.The "good factions" not working together is a core conceit of WoD.
>>98653178Again they do it all the time, but Pentex isn't any solid company or organisation. If they destroy or reveal one company or corporate conspiracy headed by Pentex they will be back under a new guise or shell company in no time at all. Even if they destroyed 'Pentex' proper it is widespread and diffuse enough that it would be a matter of changing names, shuffling the board of directors, accessing offshore accounts and emerging as a brand new corporate entity. They would have to dismantle the entire systems that support such tactics if they want to do anything more than moderate setbacks to Pentex's goals.
>>98653212A kinfolk says 'fuck it' and tells an org that will believe him because they suspect something's up but require proof to do something about it.
>>98653212mail bombings every day until media outlets publish my manifesto
>>98653219You think Ted Kaczynski failed because he wasn't trying hard enough?
>>98653140>Dude, you don't understand, Pentex is evil, they're-->I fucking know, you retard, everyone knows, but what do you expect us to do about it? You want us to just throw away our lives and ruin Western civilisation just because some assholes are in charge of it? Shut the fuck up and eat your O'Tolley's.
>>98653218Big Orgs are probably being supplied by Pentex to a degree, but I'd say smaller local orgs moving against local Pentex if there's undeniable proof of demonic shit happening is completely feasible. Hunters love going after shit like fomori and vampires.>>98653219hidden and censored by like 3000 different conspiracies
>>98653169but real life corporations are good unlike leftist fictitious strawmen
As stupid as werewolves are, they will never be as dumb as the Rokea.
>>98653140Mate, plenty of IRL corpos basically act like Pentex and despite 24/7 awareness campaigns nothing changes. No court actually has the power to meaningfully harm a global conglomerate and can at most just slap on fines (cost of business).
>>98653368I'm a shark.Suck my dick.
>>98653371Again, not real life.
>>98653140There is a button.If you press the button, all of the people responsible for the corruption and evil and exploitation and ruination that contaminates modernity will die. They and all of their ilk will be wiped off of the face of the world forever.However, you will never experience a hot shower ever again. The internet will become a thing of the past. If you ever eat hot meat again, it will be the meat of an animal that you or someone close to you has killed and roasted over a fire. Your freedom and independence will be determined exclusively by your ability to fight for it. Your ability to live a safe and comfortable life will be destroyed forever and every day will become a desperate struggle to survive.Do you press the button?
>>98653389>he doesn't know
>>98653253>>98653371Case in point, Dupont and Blackrock
>>98653397Yes. I'm ready for the caveman life, but the werewolves aren't, because let's be honest, would Gaia REALLY keep them around if she wins?
>>98653422Considering how retarded she is, she might yes
>>98653140Syndicate will cover for them and the sleepers that notice will be silenced..
>>98653422The vast majority of werewolves have accepted that they won't live to see the world after the Apocalypse. To a lot of them, a world without an insane Wyrm trying to destroy it is worth a world without Garou. The entire Get of Fenris interpretation of the Apocalypse is built around that, even.
>>98652986No pressure bud. I'm looking forward to it because it's definitely gonna be a more natural romance than whatever they were trying to do in the last episode.
>>98653381See they don't even know their own anatomy!
>>98653466Are we sure about that, though? Won't they be hypocritical and secretly hope to be around if they win?Also, hypothetically what if it is literally Jesus, King Arthur or any other garou don't consider as powerful as Gaia who beats the Wyrm in a way that makes clear he's not working for Gaia?
>>98653007Yeah that one. I love me a good monster x monster hunter story.
>>98653520Why are you so racist and homophobic?
>>98652888I hope they actually follow through on killing them. I've lost my faith they're even capable of killing all but the most minor of characters, in which case it'll be like pulling teeth for them.This entire arc was a mistake and I'd rather just get it behind us.
>>98653555Bonus point if it's Matilda. Sympathetic or not she still killed Fatigue and forced the family to ask the fucking WYRM for help. Extra bonus if it's Door who kills her.The fact both wear overalls makes me want to draw the let's groove meme with them though.
>>98653529I mean, there are some less than ideal Garou who are a little cowardly or self-centered and hope to rule over the world after the fall of Pentex like beast-kings, but their entire ideology is a death cult of giving their lives to save Gaia from destruction, with the Shadow Lords, Uktena and Get of Fenris at the forefront of the "victory at any cost, even ourselves" belief system.
>>98653573They still believe in an afterlife. What if Gaia wins, then decides 'fuck afterlife, you're just weapons' and erases their souls?
>>98653217Honestly, Glass Walkers have the best chance. They just need to out-compete Pentex in the market...I said the best chance, not a good one.
>>98653581Evidence doesn't point towards that with the existence of ancestor spirits. Even then, their millennia old ideology convinces them that it's the right thing to do.Your line of questioning boils down to "what if the extremist fundamentalist death cult driven to constantly put to their lives on the line for their beliefs suddenly decides that it's not worth it?"
>>98653581...that's like literally the dumbest thing that can happen but it would most likely lead into Garou and other Fera splintering into the services of the Triat, Celestines and other powerful beings.
>fight for thousands of years against the Wyrm in a losing war>literally a guy with a bigass sword that is not even kinfolk enters Malfaes and kills the Wyrm>actually stays to elaborate: humans decide humanity's fate, not freaks>THEN he leaves>cue Gaia turning you back human/wolf because she no longer needs you
>>98653608Dumbest, but not impossible. World Of Darkness, remember? You don't win.
>>98653546Nigger, this is the first homosexual romance that I have a problem with in the series. I would've had the exact same feelings about it if Harry randomly decided to kiss Elisabeth.I enjoy the character writing of HtP a lot, so it felt really weird watching something so forced and out of place coming from a series that made me care about a random british hooligan who reverse-drinks other people's beer.
>>98653593>PicAnon...the Union doesn't plan on letting anything that's not human live if they win.
(You) are now a werewolf.Are you going to kill yourself? (Y/n)
>>98653614True but it has the same odds as me winning the lottery multiple times, as quantum fluctuations simultaneously cause a copy of myself to poof into existence. Or perhaps the USA disbanding the entire military complex after WW2 just for no reason.
>>98653639>Are you going to kill yourself? (Y/n)Why? I'll just continue to do nothing.
>>98653639I'm going to commit werecest with another werewolf and have many beautiful, malformed metis children.
>>98653628Depends, The Technocracy is ironically better at cooperating with other animals than Garou are. If the Technocracy cares to bother, Garou can exists under some manner of Uplift or as an enhanced human+. Not that most Garou would swallow that pill.
>>98653563I agree, and I'd like for the whole point of humanizing the werewolves being to make the hunt feel bittersweet (this whole thing didn't need to happen). But I've pretty much lost my faith in their ability to deliver. Like, were there any major shifts in the writing room since after episode 4?>>98653621>coming from a series that made me care about a random british hooligan who reverse-drinks other people's beer.That's another thing that's been pissing me off about where this arc went. We did all this work making Giles into a real character with nuance and substance, only for him to get his hand cut off and then exit the story for the rest of the arc.
>>98653653D-dad?
>>98653639I can at least throw myself to a pointless but glorious death that will be remembered by no one.
>>98653530I'm that guy but since I can't link I'm keeping it short.>start building a sort of rapport with Matilda>you finally figure out she's one of those wolf-born werewolves when she reacts to things (like her pupils dilating at Remold yeeting his cane at Spit) like a dog>eventually you get to the point you share cigs with her"Must be stressful as fuck having to deal with some crazy belgian all the time, uh?""You can't imagine. Fucker actually drinks dirty water to test how clean is it.""Belgians, crazy bastards.">one evening you follow Matilda from afar thanks to a toy you 'rented' from the corps' prototype department: a tiny drone that looks like a fly>she lives in a fucking cave with a geek, a swede bear and a snakefish>she tells them about having not found anything about 'black shuck' yet>fifty bucks it's just a grim they mistook for a werewolf
>>98653675Of course!Go kill some skyscraper spirits or some shit like that
>>98653658You'd need to be the second St Damian to convince all 5 conventions (and Control) to squeeze the Garou into the Consensus. I can guarantee you that single-issue-voter X would be against that.
>>98653639I'm going to make a real Wolfman movie where the wolfman isn't just Kevin but tall.
>>98653653>papa, can you hear me?
>>98653639I'll use my wolf powers to get some pussy
>>98653639Am I in WoD? If so, no because I at least want a decent afterlife when I die.In RL? FUCK NO. As long as I can keep the rage in check, I am just Human++. Perfect quality-of-life improvement even if I am stuck at Rage 1.>>98653685Call them furry metahumans or perhaps Lupusmorph. Like, I can imagine a chronicle about a Progenitor division and Glass Walker sept working together for the proposal.I am actually tempted.
>>98653672Currently I'll just choose to delude myself into believing that the strange writing hiccup from 6.1 was just a failed experiment and not a sign of a major shift in direction. At the very least, I hope there'll be a good payoff.
>>98653681What creed was he again?
As someone who actually enjoyed 6.1, here's hoping that none of you guys get what you want. May Werewolf Limbo last forever.
>>98653732>Union funds are going to making animals talkWhat a waste. Send 10 trillion dollars to Iteration X and get me a ST-4cy model HIT mark.
this is the future the verbena want
>>98653790Based
>>98653800Better than the future that the Syndies want.
>>98653639>become woof>lupus form is still a housecat for some reason>still not immune to delirium>transform into Crinos form>sees reflection in mirror and runs away yipping
>>98653816Oh nooooo, I have to go to work. How terrible.
>>98653800
>>98653831Autumn person detected.
>>98653816Look at those men, clean shaven, off the streets working a respectable job. Contributing to society and being model citizens.
>>98653831That anon doesn't know what he is talking about. Since even the 2nd Edition Syndicate Convention book would prove otherwise.
>>98653800On second thought, being a hot witch and riding my nimbus 2000 would be pretty cool.
>>98653867>yes let's trust the unreliable narrator when they say that they have the best interests of mankind in mind, they're not at all an exploitative hypocrite and this is absolutely not propaganda that i'm going to slurp up without critical thought
>>98653816People really fell for the 'muh cubicle le bad' propaganda, huh?
>>98653877personally i am partial to being the one carried around by satan
>>98653867I read this and I think on how far the writing and thought in WoD has fallen.
>>98653830pettable
>>98653884>He says while taking what the trads say at face value
>>98653884How cute, anon who posts his own opinion mocks me about slurping stuff without thinking because I didn't slurp up his propaganda without thinking.Get off the internet and touch some grass anon
>>98653831>>98653866>>98653891>anons see a soulless legion of identical men marching through their workplace of identical cubicles under the watchful eye of their employer and consider this a future worthy of admirationIn such a future, do you think you'd be allowed to have interests such as tabletop gaming, let alone explore those interests on your computer at the workplace? Do you think you'd be allowed to deviate from the norm to that degree? Do you think that the Technocracy wouldn't dictate what happiness is, in order to prevent deviation from the norm?
>>98651930Well the obvious counter to that would be apprently whitewolf has killed off the hecata so the Giovanni live again so it seems they open to bringing back some "problematic" experiences under certain circumstances.
leopoldites jobbed so that the knights templar will aura farmtrvst
>>98653980>Mages on top of the werewolf plotHunter the Enshittening
>>98653140Plenty of mages know that pentex is evil too its just that they have lots of resources and actual magic that they use to manipulate PR and sometimes the technocracy also covers for them either knowingly or not
>>98653639Suicide by cop? Yeah, why not.I just wish I could rebuild myself into something worth living without all the effort that actually takes.
>>98653140Given what has happened irl I'm half convinced if a well backed and evidenced exposé showed a corporate conglomerate had it fingers in all aspects of modern society, and the upper echelons of that group where all cultists actively trying to bring about an apocalypse nothing would be done about it. There would be some sound about it for a few months then it would be relegated to memes and people getting annoyed about people continually saying something needs to be done about it.
>>98654021More like suicide by whole fucking precinct. I doubt any individual patrol car carries enough ordnance to put down a woof.
>>98654021>I just wish I could rebuild myself into something worth living without all the effort that actually takes.Fuck, that one hit hard.I, too, would like to be reborn/remade into something much better than I am.
>>98654079I presume that I would get ran over by a garbage truck as I sprint across the street or something along those lines.
>>98654091>Local man realizes that every has a cost and needs actually apply themselvesFUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>98654056>There would be some sound about it for a few months then it would be relegated to memes and people getting annoyed about people continually saying something needs to be done about it.Yeah honestly people would meme on pentex and huff and puff about killing their CEOs(like they're doing with AI companies and the pedo oligarchs right now) but ultimately do nothing and continue slopping up the actual demon infested junk food. Hell pentex could go full "TOTAL FURRY DEATH WE WILL GIVE YOU GUNS TO DO IT" and they'd say "based"
AU where the Wyld and the Wyrm have the opposite roles in the narrative, i.e. the Weaver tried to restrain the Wyld and drove it insane in the process, now the Wyrm is on the ropes and the Wyld threatens to do something terrible to all of reality if it's not stopped. The question is, what changes?
>>98654182The only thing that would truly change is all the Garou who were involved falling into harano when they realise that no one actually gives a shit. It might end up being a net positive to Pentex as they would be emboldened by the inaction and their opponents utter demoralisation.
>>98654131Truck probably wouldn't do it either. Freight train might.
>>98654200Fuck all changes.
>>98654200Instead of the Wyrm corrupting the Weaver's web so that it will inevitably collapse due to the fundamental flaws, the Wyld would be corrupting the Weaver's web with the purpose of overburdening it with overpopulation until it collapses under its own weight. Instead of the Wyld struggling to keep the natural world alive in the gaps in the web, the Wyrm would be trying to nibble at the web from the edges in order to inhibit the growing overpopulation.The flaw in this is that the Wyrm's goal aligns with its nature of destroying, whereas the Wyld's goal wouldn't align with its goal of creating, as overpopulation would inevitably lead to a population crash, rather than endless growth.
>>98653867why did they turn the technocracy into the traditions but tech? The literal point of the mage setting is the ascension war???
Can you play as hunters/inquisition in V20 Dark Ages?
>>98654261Yeah, there's even a supplement with some cool merits.
>>98654227>The flaw in this is that the Wyrm's goal aligns with its nature of destroying, whereas the Wyld's goal wouldn't align with its goal of creating, as overpopulation would inevitably lead to a population crash, rather than endless growth.A population crash is still entropy, i.e. the Wyrm working as intended. The Wyld would likely just keep expanding and adding to itself like an all-encompassing metaphysical tumor until the Weaver can't keep up with it anymore.
>>98654261inquisitor is technically dark age: X which is revised edition, but it's pretty much compatible
>>98654333>>98654273Thanks
>>98654326But how can you have endless creation in modern society that doesn't either lead to an inevitable crash or that doesn't continue to favour the Weaver with an increasingly complicated web? How can you have endless creation without collapse or complication?
>>98654182This is what irony poisoning has done to our society. Everyone is afraid of feeling shamed by others, that they bury themselves under layers of irony and cynicism so that they never have to confront something that’s actually a harsh truth, and anyone who actually tries to speak up is silenced and called absurd nicknames for simply speaking in an honest and sincere manner about actual problems, usually resulting in some variation of saying “Suck it up and stop whining.”That and the tribalism. It’s only ever thinking “I want to destroy and harm the other side” rather than wanting to fix anything at all.
>>98654351Like, this.>>98653170Tree hugger is a term used to associate someone supposedly obsessed with environmentalism. But let’s be completely honest here: Why do we get so mad about that? Well, the answer is that they can come across as insufferably smug, but in reality the core message they’re trying to get across is ultimately true. We do need to be better to the environment because we and all other creatures on the planet depend on it
>>98654375Too bad most self-purported ecologists are in truth controlled opposition hired and paid by big oil and similar. The real yardstick for the activism authenticity is not what they say or how, it's how the system responds to them. Just ask those truckers in Canada.
>>98654350Because, again, the Wyrd is in charge of the "collapse" part. Without the Wyrm managing decay and entropy, nothing can actually collapse.
>>98654339Get this merit and play as William of Baskerville.
>>98654389So strawmen designed to make us dismiss environmental concerns?
>>98654393As an apocalypse scenario, it feels a little more awkward to me. It sort of works if the Wyld is separate from the Weaver, but an apocalypse with the Wyld ingrained in the Weaver like the Wyrm usually is feels wonkier. How would that manifest, billions and billions of effectively immortal humans breeding out of control and society collapsing, without any of the usual consequences of society collapsing, with these eventual trillions of humans just mingling with each other in a senseless mass of flesh?
>>98654418>with these eventual trillions of humans just mingling with each other in a senseless mass of flesh?Heeeeeeeeeeey wait a second...
It’s always been strange to me that the Wyrm causes cancer.
>>98654445It's a greedy part of you that is willing to kill the rest of it. How is it not Worm?
Alright, let's see which dickhead wasted those sweet quads: >>98654444
>>98654445It sort works, when you identify that cancer is a corruption of a cell's original intention, which ultimately leads to the death of the host. The death might occur due to the uncontrolled growth of malformed cells, but the beginning (corruption) and the end (death) are typical Wyrmish themes.But you could have this argument about anything, we all know the regular arguments about how vampires are more aligned with the Weaver and the Wyld than the Wyrm by miles, or how technology and the Technocracy is way more Wyld-aligned than Weaver-aligned, and so on.
>>98653900what's wrong with any of that?
>>98654471>-t.
>>98653639I am unhappy already due to feeling unwanted and unheard by the world. This will not help
>>98654483Reality Deviant detected.
>>98652750Anon, some people become Fomori because they were infected by Banes by watching a snuff video. Although right now, 4chan is a battleground. Initially a Bane hotbed, the inclusion of LLM (I’m not acknowledging as true “AI”) moderators, is the Weaver trying to get on in on some the action.Fomori or Drone? Which is worse, you call it.
>>98652001ZAMN!!! Wendigo kinfolk look like THAT???
A Malkavian methuselah who looks like a twink is now your no.1 enemy. He is pure evil. Molest him at your own peril.
>>98654486Buy some pure breed and you'll be wanted.
>>98654555What? Why would you do that to me?
>>98654555>Malkavian methuselahAm I kindred too?What gen?
Evil twinks are bad news and I’ve watched enough anime to know that
>>98651166That’s an ancient Minoan woman, you cad.I prefer the more historically-accurate and uncensored version desu
>>98654555I’m a mage>he is pure evilSo am I
>>98654555Nah. I’ll just beat him up because I’m not into dudes
>awwwwooooooooooohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXGXKfAz7NM
Where’s my nerdy and perky Black Fury gf?
>>98654729She's fucking the alpha chad.
>>98654578do share desu
>>98654668moon-chaser its time to get up for the sept moot
>>98654729Where’s my nerdy and perky Black Furry gf?
>>98654776>breaking the first law of the litany KILL HER
>>98654555If he's underage, too, then he's probably one of Plague Mommy's and I'm in it for jealousy of the direct connection.
>>98654924Chad knows a condom-gift, so the elders have ruled it does not break the litany.
I know that there’s a chart for the amount of gnosis you have, with 10 being 90 to 99 % more spirit than alive. Is there one for rage?Oh and how does a Brujah’s rage compared to a human and a garou?
>>98655251>Oh and how does a Brujah’s rage compared to a humanPretty similar to Chris-chan, I'd say.
>>98653751I was playing the game of "it's just a hiccup" since episode 5. I dunno how you can still delude yourself on it being just a misstep.I was losing hope by 5.2, and the sheer, undiluted retardation which underpinned every action the Hunters took in episode 6 has just taken me out entirely. I'm out of copium, I think they crossed the event horizon of workability for this show.
>>98655251>there’s a chart for the amount of gnosis you have, with 10 being 90 to 99 % more spirit than alive.There's a what for what?
>>98652640Very rad spirit design. That ban is pretty nasty for the Pure pack and pretty abusable by the PCs assuming they don't just run in like idiots.
>>98653800Why do the tradition keep ignoring the fact Verbena are functionally indistinguishable from the nephandi? They literally deal with demons and celebrate being actual evil Witches.Even nephandi hatw them, because they can't offer anything new to tempt them into the caul of descent.
Besides whatever the Tremere have (I'm guessing they have something), what anti-demon tricks do vampires have?When they were fighting the Baali wars or whatever and were faced with demons/banes/whatever the infernalist of the week dug up from below, what options did they have that would work on them?
>>98653816This idea that this contributes to society is disgusting
>>98653816>>98653831>>98653866>>98653891>>98655500>the Syndicate isn't abominably evil bro it's just the Free Market™ in action skill issue bro muh bootstraps bro
>>98655526What’s the solution?
>>98655280Just autism?>>98655372For werewolves there’s a rating of how many % you’re part spirit depending on how much gnosis you have. I was wondering if there’s the equivalent for rage.The only clue I have for rage is excerpts from disparate books. Like 1 rage (like ragabash) you are easily irritable and can suddenly explode in murderous frenzy at the drop of a hat or if pushed enough. At 5, people like the ahroun have to make a conscious and constant effort to view friends and family as such and not a prey to immediately massacre. I was wondering about the other levels. Especially above 6 up to 10.
>>98655497IIRC, there aren't many explicitly anti-demon powers in VtM, and what there is tends to be bound up in blood magic. It's a common issue with VtM's power design, but to be fair, (and sometimes the writers themselves forget this) Blood Magic is much older than the Tremere, and it's not like only the Ass Mites and Snakes have it besides them. One of the most powerful blood mages period was a Nosferatu. The Ventrue, Cretheus, is also a very powerful blood mage despite the fact he was already an elder by the time he started to learn it. If you're looking for some sort of hidden vampire paladin tech like your pic might imply, you're gonna be disappointed.But it's also important to note that many of the best powers vampires have access to are their social powers, and can allow you to play minion master par excellence. Dominate and Presence alone can, if wielded by a savvy vampire, be used to create a small army with alarming speed. Dealing with Infernalists as a vampire is more about identifying them (Auspex is good here) and then coming down with overwhelming numbers and force. I figure it's why the Camarilla has less of an Infernalist problem than the Sabbat does.
>>98653867>all those words to say "You will own nothing and you will be happy"Lol, if you're braindead enough to buy into this the Techrats don't even need to bring out the nerve staplers.
>>98655536Not sure, but a few ideas come to mind.
>>98655561Who
>>98655594Some whop that shot a disposable CEO instead of anyone with real power, continuing the longstanding tradition of Italians being incredibly inept at political violence. Now let's all go back to talking about WoD.
>>98655605Oh, Luigi
>>98655526to be fair primal utility means the technocracy's source of quint is literally the stock market
>>98655545>One of the most powerful blood mages period was a Nosferatu. The Ventrue, Cretheus, is also a very powerful blood mage despite the fact he was already an elder by the time he started to learn itInteresting, are those magics untouched by infernalism or are they shady in the way koldunism and abyss mysticism are?It felt like there had to be some kind of counter for evil spirits because historically spirits should have been an issue for them. Even if it's something rare and the main response turned out to be something like 'kill the infernalists before they call up anything' or 'roll Occult to figure out bans and banes', you can't tell me they weren't storming the labyrinths below knossos and chorazin without some countermeasures.>But it's also important to note that many of the best powers vampires have access to are their social powers, and can allow you to play minion master par excellence. Dominate and Presence alone can, if wielded by a savvy vampire, be used to create a small army with alarming speed. Yeah, this is also always good to keep in mind. Sometimes the answer can just be 'point a local chorister or theurge at the problem', too. Since you brought them up, do you have any advice for being savvy at using Dominate and Presence? It's unrelated to the previous stuff, but I had been meaning to think a bit more on how to properly use them.>I figure it's why the Camarilla has less of an Infernalist problem than the Sabbat does.I figured that I had more to do with how Humanity is the mainstream Path there (if they haven't been incredibly infiltrated by Baali and other threats officially believed to be gone, I think I remember hearing some theories about that but little about their validity)
>>98653816>the future is administrativeYou vil join the civil service and you vil be regarding the subject of perpendicular pronoun with an outlook on existence corresponding to a qualifier associated with a collection of descriptors used to express satisfaction with one's state of being in a firm positive manner.I think Control is just a bunch of functionaries running circles around some balmy elders.No actual Nephandi infiltration, any attempts are swiftly and dutifully smothered by paperwork and red tape.It's just a gigantic bureaucracy being itself, without any actual malice behind it.The only real threat is Syndicate deciding it had enough of being pumped for quint to feed this monster, and fucking off into the sunset.Friends of Courage are just misguided "youth", by civil service standards, trying to get this administrative sludge moving.
>>98655497Worth noting that vampiric immunity to possession also explicitly includes demonic influence. Demons cannot possess vampires, period. Makes for some interesting social jockeying in trying to steal each other's minions.
>>98655643>are those magics untouched by infernalismDepends on who you ask. Dur-An-Ki (the Assamite "school") is sometimes accused of being somewhat demonic. Setite Sorcery, if one is inclined to crossover anyway, is almost certainly a little wyrm corrupted. Baba Yaga's "school" of blood magic never got properly codified, and Cretheus is more than happy to engage in transactional infernalism (demon summoning/binding/bargaining) but no Path of Evil Revelations mwahaha sell my soul stuff. The existence of self-taught blood mages means one could theoretically DIY it based on principles entirely divorced from the infernal. >do you have any advice for being savvy at using Dominate and Presence?I do. Granted, this is all YMMV based on game version, what dots you have access to, etc. With both of them, the trick is that sometimes less is more. Spamming it tends to make you lazy and worse, makes your presence very obvious. Sometimes all you need is a subtle command, or a light bit of Presence boosting a mundane attempt at persuasion. It can even make it harder for the mark to realize they're under your power. Another important factor is to pick your targets well based on what your goal for them is. If you want to exert control over a large number of men, go for someone in charge, and preferably one that's well liked so their underlings will be less likely to question a strange order now and then. If you want a passive spy, go for someone that's not terribly high profile, but can move fairly freely. If you want a disposable body, pick someone who won't be missed. When using Presence, it's important to consider the temperament of your mark. When using Dominate, consider your wording for lengthier commands. Lastly, if someone catches on that you're using their head like putty, you have two options. Utterly enslave them or kill them. No half measures, that's how you get dramatically undone by your victim.
How do you roleplay a drone with 2 Autonomy? Im mainly looking for dialogue advice.
>>98655681Drakonskyr or whatever its name was somehow could possess Tiamat, but maybe there was something special going on there like there is for blood banes and... was it madness banes? Drakonskyr was about betrayal I think...
>>98655700This is one of those extremely few times where using AI to write dialogue is a good idea.
>>98655792clever
>>98655792Huh. That's actually kind of a brilliant creative choice because of how curated it sounds
>>98653681>you leave the cave>asking the Hunternet will bear no results since most are still newbies, so you go the local werewolf expert, Fatigue."Lord Fatigue, can I have a moment?">you're not usually this formal, but you like Fatigue: he's nice, very old in a profession where most die young WITHOUT being supers, and reigns Remold's impulses when he gets out of line>Fatigue laughs"Of course, my lad! And don't call me lord or sir if Remold's not around. Just call be Wernon.>man, he really must be old if that's his name>you ask him about the Black Shuck>apparently he's an important figure for british werewolves"Is it possible it's actually a grim and not a werewolf?">Fatigue blinks at that."Well, both are portents of doom, but the grim is a more general one, so to speak. Still, it would make sense. But why are you asking me this, my boy?""Some friends from Canada from a forum kept ranting about wanting to go as Black Shuck next Halloween.">Welp, you've gotten nowhere, but at least you know there are more werewolves.>oh, and when leaving the room you spot Matilda leaning against a wall while staring at you. seems like she overheard you.
>>98655792I had an idea when playing a quest as a transcendent AI to potentially have chatGPT write my dialogue for maximum immersion, another anon who hated AI was not happy about it lol
Reckoning is really neutered by forcing players to become psychotic and fight the supernatural rather than just 'here, you are superhuman, now figure it out' ala Bethesda.
I find it surprising there's no Deviant The Renegades fanart
>>98655963It’s because the Imbuing, for all intents and purposes, is kind of supposed to fuck them up, because the system was prematurely activated by that Bangladesh business, no safety guards in place. It’s akin to forcing a V8 engine into a Hot Wheels.
>>98655963>>98656070You know I wonder if the Imbued would be made even stronger in a modern HTR game that isn't the dogshit that H5 turned out to be
>>98655402Thank you very much. The PCs will have to uncover the Ban, I'm planning to hide it in plain sight as the Pure are Ivory Claws, so I'm thinking I'll lean into that whole "they touch their wound and lick the blood" thing, sell it to the PCs as the Pure are just that crazy. Ideally, the Pure want to hid hard and fast, not get pulled into a drawn-out fight. I was also advised by an Anon several threads ago to have one of the Pure in Daulu form and using firearms.
>Ghoul/Revenant >Kinfolk>Sorcerers All things I think should be saved for Hunter. Save those half freaks for humans who want to be buffy or blade. Focus V, W, and M on being truly committed alien freaks.
>>98655963That's the difference between being a Hunter game and an X-Men game. Hunters want to hunt monsters. Anyone who doesn't want to hunt monsters should not play a game called Hunter.
Minotaurs, centaurs, and satyrs are all Fera. What forms are they? Chrinos feels too easy just being half & half. Satyrs could be Glabro.
>>98651146>failed mages practicing cheap knockoff sorcery>supremacyo i m laffin
>>98656185Yeah but there's no need to turn psychotic or make one out of three hunters a maniac. Why not let the player choose how to deal with the monsters and have a standard morality system where you DO become evil if you do evil things (like Bauering unwilling ghouls or setting septs on fire)?
>>98653681>droneDidn't the kin live in either the Umbra or far enough from the chapterhouse Matilda had to use the Umbra to get there to work?
Hey, psst. I got leaks from the devs about W6. You'll only get access to three forms when you create a character. This is inspired by the recent video game.>Humankin: Homid, Chrinos, & HispoYour human ancestry means you'll never quite fit in with wolfkin.>Wolfkin: Glabro, Chrinos, & LupusYour wolf ancestry means you'll never quite fit in with humankin.>Hybridkin: Glabro, Chrinos, HispoYour inbred genes will never belong with humans or wolves. Also, it's not called metis anymore because that's too racist.
>>98656204Hunters are a metaphor for punks. Not just people who like music. The punks that get into knife fights. The punks that are basically extinct nowadays. The punks the burn down animal experiment labs and KKK rallies. That's the whole metaphor. You've gotta be a little psychotic to put your life at risk when everyone thinks you're fighting normal people.
>>98656226Truly, all we have left nowadays are safe edgy conformist fags
>>98656226Aren't those werewolves?
>>98656234Werewolves are a bit more of a power fantasy than hunters. Hunters need to plan how they assassinate the vampire mayor of New York City. Werewolves just bumrush and rage until one side or the other is dead.
>>98656239It stops being a power fantasy if the other has silver or is a Wyrm monster.
>>98656248Eh, even superman has weaknesses. Doesn't stop him from being a power fantasy of being strong enough to help everyone.
>>98656248>>98656258What actually CAN fight a pack of werewolves in crinos?
>>98656262Powerful vampires (not even Methuselah), extremist hunters, mages, gurahl (have you seen those videos of bears taking on wolfpacks by themselves), powerful fomor...
>>98655497>Besides whatever the Tremere have (I'm guessing they have something), what anti-demon tricks do vampires have?spirit manipulation is a common path in many blood sorcery styles that just shuts down bane spiritscontact with vitae causes torment on elohim which the baali been retconned into having used for the most part. demon thralls can be put under any of the social powers vampires have which stops them from doing the rituals that a earthbound needs to gain faith from them (without ravaging them which is only a 1 time thing) which in turn heavily reduces the power of the demon there is a obtenerbration and fortitude combination power that pretty much shuts down demons and infernalists ability to hurt youold clan tzimisce and molochim baali made a koldun path (of the well) that is just mean to feature in a demon heavy chronicle because it makes the complete fooder from having their powers nulled to having their true name tortured out of them to the demon just being fully absorbed by the vampire and sealed inside >When they were fighting the Baali wars or whatever and were faced with demons/banes/whatever the infernalist of the week dug up from below, what options did they have that would work on them?when they been fighting baali they had in one war the assamite sorcerers and warrior salubri (of which at least a few had true faith) and their bloodline founders and in the end Set himself with his sorcerers showed up and sank the island the baali been onin another mesopotamian lasombra cultists just washed the entire baali army with a huge wave of obtenebrationin yet another the eldest showed up himself, but then got friendly fired by samiel the leader of the warrior salubriso it was less "let's use anti demon powers" and more "let's overpower them">>98655770Drakonskyr is weird because he is from 1e before infernalism was really put together, but it should that tiamat was in control for most of the time and could seal him
>>98656190>Minotaurs, centaurs, and satyrs are all Fera.those are all changelings m8well beside THE Minotaur who was the first wright
>>98656290I thought the Minotaur was last Apis who fell to the Wyrm and eventually became the Minotaur spirit?>>98656262A platoon of veteran special forces stands a chance. More if they bring some serious hardware with them like IVFs or drone support.
>>98656262A guy with a shotgun, nice reflexes and nice aim. Werewolves are just big bears, and this being fantasy pretty sure there's a Deadshot somewhere who can alway land headshots.
>>98656305the Minotaur totem is hinted to have been the last apips but he is a special snowflake he is a totem of corruption but he is not of the wyrm unless you let him fall fully in the w20 adventurewhile the The Prince of Crete the son of minos who was locked in a labyrinth was a 4th gen who became the first wright
>>98653639My answers depend heavily on what setting I'm in. Is it Apocalypse or Forsaken? Am I in the real world?
>>98655418Because they do these things for the right reasons. Verbena human sacrifice is typically consensual and done for the greater good, the example usually given of how evil Verbena blood magic is, is a man willingly and knowingly surrendering his life to his witch bride in order to save their village from famine. The Verbena take the oldest and most primordial magic and they use it for the benefit of their communities. They're driven by a love of life and family and represent a much more romantic approach to black magic than anything that the Nephandi have to offer.
>>98656290>those are all changelings m8depends on the gameline. satyrs claim that the entire greek phanteon was fake and something they made upvampires claim that those are ancients. mostly ventrue vampiresmage has greek stuff as umbrood's in the higher umbra and medea is a oracle which means that they used to be on earthand demon has ares as a earthbound in the dark ages, but that's not his true nameso making greek stuff dead fera wouldn't be out there given how wod works
>>98656312I like how WoD pulls from mythology but I find it very hard to believe that not a single kindred lost to the beast in the several millennia between Caine and the Cretians.
>>98656349acording to the legend it's because the Prince of Crete was the first unworthy one to be embraced because arikel wanted to embrace his father but minos asked that his son would be given the gift instead because he loved his son so muchbut because he loved his son so much said son was a spoiled royal brat
newhead hereWhy was Assamite considered to be racist and was replaced with Bnu Haqim?
>>98656353Reeks of vampire propaganda and revisionism.
>>98656360it IS a toreador legend
Y'know, I've been wondering, is there a way for a normal person to be an ulfsark/berserker (wear a fera's pelt to use their power) without becoming evil? I can just home brew one, yes, but maybe there's a canon way.
>>98656368>wear a fera's pelt to use their powerusing the skindancer ritual as base the pelt would have to be given willinglyalthough the only example we have of a spell that does i think is from dark age mage Valdaermen (norse rune mages) can do that, but they only need animal pelts
>>98656355Assamite was an in-setting slur used by other clans for the Assamites, who referred to themselves as the Banu Haqim or Children of Haqim in all of the clan books.
>>98656344>is a man willingly and knowingly surrendering his life to his witch bride in order to save their village from famine.Yeah no. I re-read it thrice and there is no consent from the dude. In fact, the village is expecting to migrate from the place.Not that it matters since you don't need to sacrifice people to get rain. There is a reason why most not like Verbena. Even among the Traditions.
>>98656373I would love to see a rite where a Fera ritually skins themself with silver/gold in order to gift the power to change to another. I'm sure you could homebrew something to that effect, maybe extended composure/resolve rolls and having to out heal the damage without killing yourself. On top of loss of Gnosis and willpower to imbune the pelt. Many Fera would see it as something dark and forbidden no matter what the outcome was.
>>98656386A Rite where a Fera who gives the permission for a kinfolk (or otherwise) to take the Fera's pelt after they have died.
Y'know, I'm surprised the Get of Fenris respect the norse pantheon given that their namesake not only killed the Allfather, but wasn't even a wolf, just a monster shaped like one (his father was a horse, his mother a male giant, and his brother a sea serpent).
>>98656397get fenrir and their relation to the norse phanteon is a giant mess depending on the book they are either norse version of satanists who have also have surtr and jormungandr in their spirit list and want to bring ragnarök because acording to their legends they are going to win! which makes them hated by all other norse supernatural but in other books they are just norse guys who have camps named after thor and tyr and are bros with the corax as a reference to odin's ravens
>>98656397>>98656409I honestly think that the problem is the writers mixing up the fact that they hate vampires who masqueraded as Odin and Aegir while actually liking the actual Norse Pantheon
>>98656409So they'd be cool with me if I skinned of them to become an ulfsark? Even if they aren't by norse law it's mine and this being WOD I can use its power without permission anyway.
>>98656418here is the thing wta never mentions odin the vampire nor his gangrelsodin in wta is a mage who turns to the wyrm after loki causes war between the get fenrir and the aesir not a vampire
>>98656426no they wouldn't because you are a human and should know your placebut all the other supernaturals from the norse fae (both house aesin and commoners) to the rune mages to the gangrel would be cool with you doing that the get fenrir
>>98656383No, the exact word is that they would need to know soon if they would have to move, not that they were already preparing to move. As for the man himself, there's no screaming or struggling or refusal from the guy, nor is there any indication that this is not the way of things for the tribe. If this was horrific non-consensual human sacrifice to appease demons, the rest of the tribe would have put the priestesses to death long before that scene takes place, or do you think that they were blissfully ignorant of their chieftain's death in the following days? This is their way of life, and according to those traditions, sacrifice was needed in order for that land to receive rain. We see further evidence of consensual sacrifice a few pages later, with a father giving his own life in order to heal his son.
>>98656441Well fuck them because they're freaks by norse standards and I want their power without being a freak myself. Plus they're hypocrites since most are human most of the fucking time anyway.
>>98656427They do though? Not in modern times since vampire pretending to be Odin is dead. Dark Ages are full of it.
>>98656221its a cool idea conceptually but they would never. They're more likely to never ever mention lupus again because um... yucky.. that's umm.. problematic, okay?
>>98656441i know they are a footnote but there is also the black blood tribe. A earthbound viking cult that worshiped abaddon as loki and been hunting fera since the dark ages despite losing their demonic powers 400 years ago but didn't stopped hunting because they hoped that this will get their gods to come back and recently (because the earhtbound been waking up) they are manifesting their powers again so they are thinking that it's working
>>98656446> As for the man himself, there's no screaming or struggling or refusal from the guy, nor is there any indication that this is not the way of things for the tribe.I am sure the man after sex wasn't as relexad as fuck, about to sleep and didn't literally get stabbed in the back or throat.>f this was horrific non-consensual human sacrifice to appease demons, the rest of the tribe would have put the priestesses to death long before that scene takes place, or do you think that they were blissfully ignorant of their chieftain's death in the following days?The fact that they are doing human sacrifices points towards all of them being shit in the first place. Even fucking White Wolf writers know where the line was and the reason they don't try to make Aztects look good even though they love sucking up pagans and tribals.>This is their way of life, and according to those traditions, sacrifice was needed in order for that land to receive rain.No wonder their way is gone and they have become history.
>>98655594Dude who threw his life away to contribute to the Nothing Ever Happens theory.
>>98656473They're white women.
>>98656492white women would, if left to their own devices, make a far more appropriate vtm and wta. Sadly, soulless corporate is bearing down their neck and will not allow anything but the safest resemblance of erotic content.
given that the topic is on right now i been wondering would we have enough stuff do something like multisplat norse version of the asian courts?
>>98656479She slashed at him when she felt that he was satisfied and when his seed was within her, so when he had orgasmed. She was also naked at the time, so I don't imagine there was anywhere hidden for her to pull the ritual knife from. I think you're performing a lot of mental gymnastics in order to assume that this culture led by these priestesses had an aversion to the blood sacrifice that they practised, or that they were unwilling participants in it.There are certain situations in which such sacrifice is admirable, when it is people sacrificing themselves for the greater good of others, such as the chieftain giving his life to bring rain for his tribe or the father giving his life for the health of his son. There are also situations where it's horrible, where it isn't anyone sacrificing anything, but priests ritually slaughtering the unwilling. To sacrifice is to give something up for the benefit of another and the Verbena generally abide by that definition, rather than the Aztec ritual murder that you point out.Modern Syndicate soul rape of their employees actually has a lot more in common with Aztec ritual murder than Verbena traditions of sacrifice, actually.
>>98656506The Asian stuff didn't go over so well. Norse stuff is a hot bed for nazi freaks. I doubt Paradox would make it.
>>98655831>some more time passes. thankfully Matilda has left you alone, otherwise you'de crushed her skull>however for some reason she remains even though she overheard the werewolf expert only knowing the basics about her mission's objective>you use the drone to spy on the pack again>turns out they believe a mighty hunter has shuck imprisoned.>also they belive Wernon is an Stolen Moon>fuck, those guys are basically furries who took their obsession to their next level and skinned werewolves. Since they turn their base form when killed, that's some Predator shit>you hate them as much as Matilda and co. do, maybe even more, but you can tell Wernon is not an ulfsark wannabe>then the geek realizes the fly on top of his computer is, well, not a fly"Is that a fucking robot fly?">fuck
>>98655497Salubri Warriors can shine sunlight from their eye, get holy flaming swords, and pull demons into dream combat where they can fight on more even footing and diablerize otherworldly beings. Though most of that is low generation stuff.Fighting Baali and demons is, after all, their reason for existence
>>98656473I am convinced they had bitter discussions about removing lupus entirely from W5 for this very reason. There is almost no mention of them in W5 as it is.
>>98656185>Hunters want to hunt monstersSo do normal hunters. >Ib4 Arcanum"hunters" in name only, every other group actually goes after monsters
>>98651146Reminds me of a whole other game with most of the same problems.
>>98655681That’s untrue. Demons can possess vampires. But as they are creatures cursed by God, when they inhabit other people cursed by big G they accumulate torment at an incredibly fast rate
>>98656557Yes, even non-imbued hunters are a bit fucked in the head. It's a prerequisite.
>>98656562that's true in devil's due but not in dtfdtf just says demons can't possess undead
malkavian older sister guy againhow bad of an idea is it to arrange for her to pick up potence from someone when i know shes more prone to frenzy due to her derangement? regression; mind of a child.figure it'll probably be handy since she's not that strong
>>98656190Minotaurs are the Apis in their Crinos form
>>98656561>some weird br gameTime to pirate.
>>98656626The Monsters are pretty neat.
>>98656561>>98656626>>98656649Name of it?
>>98656723Ordem Paranormal
>>98656226>You've gotta be a little psychotic to put your life at risk when everyone thinks you're fighting normal people.Take the Inquisition pill. Burn down and apartment complex to remove a next of vampires, dig a mass grave for that werewolves and their entire family, car bomb that local occult meeting, blast that ghost with holy water and the power of faith.
>>98656226Do those even exist
>>98656522>you don't freak out and press the self-destruct button so the fly bursts into the hottest mix of fire that can be put in such a tiny machine, leaving nothing behind>the problem is the possibility of them tracking it back to you despite the measures you took>the following morning you're ready for Matilda to go full monster, but while she stomps into the Arcanum she otherwise ignores you>still it's obvious she's freaking out considering she's not just smoking, but also drinking, to Amanda's confusion."What's wrong with her?""Apparently a stalker got in her flat and stole her panties.">a perfectly good alibi for those unaware she doesn't have a flat>you approach Matilda, who probably smells you before turning to glare at you. Her eyes aren't fully human and you swear her canines are sharper than usual, but you force yourself NOT to go postal"What the fuck do you want?""I heard you have a secret admirer problem. Want me to deal with it?">at this Matilda blinks in beffudled shock. It must be the first time a human offered her help for anything"N-no, thanks. I don't think they'll come back."
Considering wild hogs are becoming even more of a problem in Texas, what are the chances werewolves got fucked by them and backed off?
>>98657118What's your logic?
>>98657142Take a pick.
>>98657166Probably not then.
>>98657225>that sounds plausible...
>>98656262a single initiate mage with 1 hour of prep time
>>98656918>you stop seeing Matilda at the chapterhouse for a few days. Not even Amanda knows why she's not coming to work. Remold goes nuts assuming she's spilling their secrets to someone>in truth she's looking for the guy who had been spying on her pack, aka YOU, but you're confident she nor the other two can find you>then, one rainy night you're pondering whether to just kill her, you feel it, that nagging feeling>the walking dead have risen in Yarmouth.>no, not vampires, nor that comic from the guy that writes invincible either, actual flesh-eating zombies. Apparently the result of angry ghosts possessing corpses to kill the living or something, you didn't focus on the details.>you follow your Imbued instinct until you reach the forest. You hear a roar, half howl half scream>yep, the zombos are attacking Matilda, but of course she's not damsel in distress>she's in what you've been told is the glabro form, not the giant wolfman for battle but still pretty beefy>you watch as she rips and tears through the small horde of undead with all sorts of attacks, except biting>then a super zombie or something uproots a small tree and clubs her with it>NOW she goes giant wolfman, but the super zombie lunges at her face to claw at it, while the rest of the horde swarms her>you sigh before pulling out your trusty M1014, loaded with blessed slugs, and start blasting
>>98656262Another pack of werewolves
>>98656179>Ghoul/Revenant>Kinfolk>Save them for hunter.Nah fuck those wannabe monster fags. Hunter orgs should be human exclusive. The fact that many numine like Shih bridges are unavailable to half-breeds should be proof enough that they don't belong.
>>98656511>She slashed at him when she felt that he was satisfied and when his seed was within her, so when he had orgasmed. She was also naked at the time, so I don't imagine there was anywhere hidden for her to pull the ritual knife from.Anon, you are the only one here doing mental gymnastics. This is literally just the bad end of Farcry 3. Look up that scene and how "Consensual" it was when the protagonist was suddenly murdered.> I think you're performing a lot of mental gymnastics in order to assume that this culture led by these priestesses had an aversion to the blood sacrifice that they practised, or that they were unwilling participants in it.Why do you think we're talking about the verbena preistess'es concent and not THE GUY BEING MURDERED???>There are certain situations in which such sacrifice is admirable...Anon, True Magick will never be one of those times. The sacrifice is a Focus. It's literally an unnecessary component that only exists because the mage made "Live Sacrifices" part of their paradogm. A hermetic or a chorister could have healed the village with funny words or by organizing a choir song. This is why the verbena are Exactly like the aztecs and their "Ritual Murder", because it's literally the same practice. It's murdering people you don't need to murder only because it makes magic slightly easier in a way you don't need murder to accomplish.
>>98656521>Norse stuff is a hot bed for nazi freaks.This is an overblown problem by a country mile. God of War 4 didn't suddenly spawn a Neo-Nazi movement.If anything, Neo Nazi's would make a good faction for brujah, it's another one of those failed socialist experiments that brujah crave like heroin addict looking for his fix.
>>98656729If I had a nickel for ever Brazilian WOD I would have 3 nickels, witch isn't a lot but it is still weird that it happened 3 times.
>>98657569So, not only do you assume that someone must be completely unwilling when there is no text suggesting that they are and when the circumstance (an entire culture built around following priestesses who perform blood sacrifice) suggests they are okay with this tradition, and not only do you assume that I was refer to the priestesses when I was talking about the culture in question, but you assume that every mage in the entire setting has a fundamental awareness of the nature of true magic and how it works, on top of your refusal to contend with the present day industrialised soul rape being performed by Primal Utility practitioners, also known as the Syndicate. Your reading comprehension is so dire that there really is no point in continuing this conversation, so accept that as a concession as you like, you're not worth talking to.
I need some ideas for new Pentex products. Give me those ideas you guys never got to use in a table.
>>98657635Anon, look at historical cultures were blood sacrifice was a thing. The people they sacrificed were 999 uneilling people for every 1 willing person. This is the world of darkness, there's no way in the thousand hells that there's entire cultures of people that self-sacrificing and altruistic.
>>98657663Is this a 90's or a modern game?In modern era, pentex wpuld be labelling that image as problematic for sexualizing women, and then replace her with a fat woman or a trans.
>>98657669Anon, that's clearly bait. Why are you engaging with them?
>>98657663Do you know what people what?They want to be young again.
>>98657681Fat women arent sexy anymore now that we can push ozempic. Holocaust survivor thin is whats in now.
>>98657663Tons of merchandise about climate change and social issues. We're talking t-shirts, keychains, body pillows. You think it they have it. It white washes their reputation and acts as a smokescreen. More importantly makes lets the few people who might have become opposition think their doing something while actually just promoting slacktivism and virtue signalling instead of anything productive. All the money that could of gone to a productive cause gets funneled straight into cutting down the Amazon and selling weapons to drug cartels.
How do we feel about MECHA?
>>98657635I feel like you are assuming that anon is me but I haven't bothered to reply to you since it is clear your a schizo. I don't even like Syndicate, I mostly play Akashic Brotherhood Brothers and Order of Hermes Hermetics.
>>98657779didn't work (as in literally. like a few dozen mages in the same place for like a few dozen quintessence and endless risk of escape? when you can literally get hundreds if not thousands of Quintessence from nodes, siphoning stars or literally stockmarket? stupid to the extreme) and basically a remnant from the first edition when techies were cartoon evil and created the gauntlet, paradox and the cop by themselves.
>>98657709Ah yes, the anime that induces suicide. Fits way too well.>>98657755Remind me of the jewelry company that made stuff out of reclaimed plastic and wood littering on the ocean.>>98657681If anything I would expect Pentex to sell their own version of Ozenpic in the grey market.
>>98657681Nah, Pentex is continuing to be based in W20. I very much doubt they would change that much since 2015s
>>98657663They would definitely have designed a very cheap mass produced high capacity, highly reliable gun. A gun which has been very popular for every market and something they still advertise as wherever they can as the cheapest gun you can get your hands on. The sort of thing that could sit in a bog for 30 years and you could still pull out and shot. They would have produced at a loss and made 10s of millions of units to make sure as much of the world was saturated with easy to access war weapons as possible. Something like and Ak47 or a Sten gun but more reliable. The iconic guns of the setting should be something Pentex made.
>>98657663A powerful pesticide for crops paired with a genetically engineered grain immune to it. Both of them Wyrm tainted of course.And if neighboring crops that don't buy Pentex are accidentally killed by the wind dragging the pesticide from their neighbors fields? Tough luck, buy Pentex if you want better.And if some genetically modified seeds are accidentally carried by that same wind to your land, and you hadn't bought from Pentex? Well, now you are a thief of a Pentex patent and will be sued into oblivion.And of course, the Pentex patent is designed to be as broad as possible, so if you independently try to make another crop resistant to Pentex pesticide it might be a violation of Pentex ownership. And of course, the accidents may not always be accidents when it benefits the company.
>>98658075I've said it earlier but pentex would unironically be posting pic rel if they got found out and a lot of people would be into it despite how psychotic it is(yes this was a real post)
>>98658095Pentex owns twitter, facebook and tiktok. The unholy triumvirate of social media.
>>98657663Self driving carshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ltU9q1pKKMHavent double checked it for accuracy, but where it regards to WoD in general and Pentex in particular you can go with the worst assumption, double down even more on the worst aspects, and still end up more optimistic than whats really going on
>>98657779It was fine. Pre-revised technocracy was fighting a war so it was either death or MECHA (assuming they were unsuitable for processing) for their enemies.
>>98657663Water treatment plants to clean drinkable water of pollutants... and fill it with non physical banes of some kind instead, the type that only have mental effects like rage banes.It gives Pentex good PR by 'helping clean up the environment'. It gives Pentex an opportunity to corrupt people on a massive scale.And if werewolves blow them up? Now there is NO water plant because Pentex replaced the old ones, so the water still gets tainted through ordinary pollution instead.
>>98658104>picLol, imagine if the US army was actually waging a war instead of dropping bombs on some mudslimes and crying about Iran not wanting peace.
>>98658147Have them pull a dupont and pollute the waters first so they can clean them after
>>98658140>The worst is that I've had people with contacts in the military telling me they buy into this shit. I mean look at this it's not even "Serve God and Country" anymore it's just pure sadistic psychosis and glorification of warYou mean the ideal recruits for any army? Let's be honest, sociopaths who'd blow away a kid because their commander told them to is a wet dream of every general out there.
>>98658158They'd blow away a kid because they want them to and then blow away anyone who questioned them about it. Bloodthirsty killers aren't necessarily obedient soldiers.
>>98657663Prosthetics, from pacemakers to artificial limbs.Just a thought I had, because I'm pretty sure there was a Cyberpunk x WoD official crossover at some point. So why not blame Pentex for the origins of cyberpsychosis?
>>98658140It's sad they made the new Werewolf so fangless. It's one of the more relevant WoD lines for stuff which is happening today.>>98657663>>98658147I imagined they wormed their way into providing a lot of infrastructure across the globe. 'Green' waste recycling programs to replace landfills. Which simply involve taking it to the third world to burn and pollute the atmosphere like they do in irl [/spolier]
I think Alfabusa made Matilda gay because otherwise the next closest possible ship woul be Door.
did that one anon ever post the update to the asian cainites?
>>98658095Why are you on 4chan, mate? Even /lgbt/ loves that shit.
>>98658191I think it’s mainly because no adult male character in this series besides Marckus, Kitten, Harry, Occam, or Big D can be taken seriously in a romance between they all look fucking absurd
>>98658266Oh, and also Guy and that one mage.Everyone else is a bit too absurdly cartoonish in appearance or ugly to take seriously in a romantic situation.Why do you think Kitten and Grimal were in a thing?
I thought I couldve written more
>>98658266And all of them are gay but Harry(?)Honestly considering the series takes place in pre-2010 England that is not London I feel like there are way the characters are far too tolerantLets ignore the fucking Society of Leopold being okay with sodomites
>>98658294Big D and Kitten are bisexual. Big D literally reminisces on how he married Rozalia
>>98658307What are bisexual but crypto homosexuals?
>>98658153>Have them pull a dupont and pollute the waters first so they can clean them afterMaybe not from their own branch, that'd be too obvious except maybe at the start of the story. The werewolves just got done with the Pentex deniable assets polluting the river... and then they find out that it was not the overall plan, it was an excuse to slander the reputation of the current purifying plants and replace them.And while Pentex Water will be not be polluting the water in any way except spiritually... other Pentex branches (which the general public doesn't know are part of the same conglomerate) will begin dumping more pollutants into the water as a cost saving measure, because those fancy new water plants will clean it up anyway right?Thus presenting the werewolves with a problem they can't easily solve with the tools they are good at.
Speaking of the gayness of HtP, wasn't there a Werewolf Tribebook that started with this long-winded introduction spiel about gay marriage not being a thing that was written in like 97, I think? I think I may be misremembering hard.
>>98658336I would assume Garou would tell any gay werewolf to suck it up and make babies because the war for Gaia is far more important than the feelings of a single werewolf
>>98656278>the baali been retconned into having used for the most partSo they are lesser known Earthbound, then?(I'm guessing you meant the overall species and not literal angels)>Drakonskyr is weird because he is from 1e before infernalism was really put together, but it should that tiamat was in control for most of the time and could seal himThat's why I wondered if it might have been adjacent to banes of madness (Drakonskyr's domain is very themed around betrayal, even if this is portrayed as its obsession because it feels betrayed), since Drakonskyr was in control for most of Rome. Although granted Drakonskyr had to work for that control, breaking Tiamat's Humanity over the years to one step short of wassail.Otherwise... I don't know, could it have been brute forced if Drakonskyr was powerful enough? No clue what would happen if something like a Maeljin Incarna or a Talon of the Wyrm possessed a vampire.Or maybe it could be due to whatever magic Tiamat used when she originally summoned Drakonskyr and wanted its help? It needed into Tiamat to grant her the power she wanted, she helped it because she still didn't know better... and now it can get the control with far greater ease than it ordinarily would be able to: it wouldn't be able to replicate it if it was pushed out of her, but its entire issue is that Tiamat keeps it from leaving.
>>98658346Don't Black Furies often have lesbians?
>>98658346Not really, there's a significant movement in the Garou Nation that boils down to "the Apocalypse is here, fucking is pointless, get off our ass about fucking Kinfolk, mobilising against Pentex is more important than raising the next generation."
>>98658405Theyre turbo lesbians who hate men so theyre the exception
>>98658393>So they are lesser known Earthbound, then?>(I'm guessing you meant the overall species and not literal angels)all earthbound are former angels aka elohim but not all fallen angels are archdukes although baal is mentioned as getting close to that level because of his investment into the (nergalist) baali despite the fact that he was just a hellknight (common elohim < hell knight < lord < duke < archduke) before the fall and some worship kupala who was also retconned into a earthbound in the same book (devil's due) so their highest demonic patrons can reach that level
>>98658409And what if its not the apocalypse what then? DId the Garou just kneecap their population?
>>98658405yes and they are still told that they need to have kids or the tribe would die out
>>98657894If the gun is that good the bullets should be hand grenades and the design should aggravate the problem.Like every once in a while Rapid Rounds™ kill their users and everyone that was near them in a failure cascade.
>>98658294Door has a wife.
>>98658409from all the material i never got the impression that it was a major belief
>>98658447They have crippled their population a long time ago with the lupus becoming as rare as they are.
>>98658294They're belgians and italians, so of course they wouldn't care that much about homos>>98658191How would that work out? He's the complete antithesis of Matilda, a (seemingly) mundane bulky man who likes construction and uses guns.
>>98658447Pretty much. No one ever accused them of being smart and forward-thinking.
>>98657894>>98658459>a joint ITX & Pentex weapons division project
>>98658447Within the context of the original run of World of Darkness, they were on the money, as the Apocalypse really was right around the corner.As of W20, it turns out that they were partially in the wrong, because the Apocalypse is a long and painful slog rather than a climactic battle, though it's hard to say if the Apocalypse will last for long enough for any future generations to fight in it.As of W5, it doesn't matter, because they failed to stop the Apocalypse anyway and now Gaia is dying, so it would've been pointless to make more Garou when they'd be born into a dying world that they couldn't save.
>it appears my superiority has informed some controvesy
>>98658294>spoilerSame way they're ok with the Arcanum as a whole, lesser evil. They'll work with you but that's about it, they care as long as you're useful. If HtP's Inquisition wasn't a joke they would never accept to help FrauD and his family. If anything, they'd use them as cannon fodder before going in themselves.
>>98658393>Maeljin Incarnawe know what happens there because of the herschafts of the wyrm dark thaum path and the Maeljin Incarna can only take over for very short times akin to a frenzy and only if the vampire fails a willpower roll beside that a vampire who rolls well enough can in theory keep them sealed forever so if you want to take the story of Drakonskyr as is with long periods of control and such then it would have to be quite above them for the story to work, but the truth just is that 1e vtm demons are just build differently like the first sabbat book has a lesser warrior demon who could beat the shit out of Zhyzhak which is obviously not compatible with any later booksit's the same book/edition that also has the path of hellfire do double the damage it ends up doing later and ignore fire immunity
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>>98658172>So why not blame Pentex for the origins of cyberpsychosis?Sounds more interesting than canon.
Does CofD have more overall supernatural activity than OWoD? I feel like if we counted every book as canon, there would be cryptids, ancient gods and monsters, conspiracies, cults, etc. hiding under every rock.
>>98658525without the order of reason you would be a dirt poor village peasant getting blood sacrificed by the druids
>>98658538with the order of reason i am a dirt poor village peasant relative to the epstein class getting soul harvested by said epstein class
>>98658075clearly their oxymoron subsidiary didn't get the memo by removing get of fenris
>>98658537if you count the very stupid canon population numbers for owod then yes. There is also a lot more stuff that is unrelated to the big splats around, but you should also keep in mind that most conspiracies are tiny at least in influence compared to the big owod onesso ignoring population numbers owod is more...Homogeneous? in it's supernatural make up while cofd tend to have more seperate groups and such
>>98658553the idea of teenagehood as a period of self discovery or even filling one's room with material goods as a form of expression is a relatively recent phenomenon. Same for the concept of actual hobbies in which there was a "leisure crisis" when people had free time for the first time.
>>98658570wow as the labour class grows in size the owner class has to offer more bread and circuses to distract them and keep them in check and prevent them from actually seizing control of their own lives who would have thought
Tell me of the ananasifags
>>98658588in terms of ratio it was actually the owner class that grew in size compared to when mostly everyone were peasants
>when elements of the Technocracy fundamentally compromise the Technocracy for the sake of publicly playing godkings where technology and the self-reinforcing nature of the modern consensus start to wane and fail
>>98658599the upper half of the labour class were deluded into thinking that they were in the owner class when the requirements to belong to the true owner class shot through the roof
>>98658537COfD is honestly far more interesting than WOD to me in some aspects, and depending on who you ask, some versions of splats are generally considered outright superior. For example, I personally think Demon The Descent is far more interesting than Demon The Fallen due to exploring an entirely different cosmology than Christianity, as well as having more interesting mechanics.It pisses me off that they just Frankensteined the mechanics and a few lore bits into V5 without understanding what they liked about those things.What people liked about CTL, the idea of escaping from an utterly alien being functioning on entirely different logic, altered into a creature for their means, and trying to build a life after your escape, is fundamentally incompatible with what Dreaming is about.
>>98658632The question was about supernatural activity, not about which game is superior, but thanks for sharing, I guess.
>>98658646I just felt like rambling I guess. I'm mad at Paradox for not getting what people liked about CTL, WTF, VTR, and so on.
>>98658614your entire argument hinged on the fact that as population grew that people would have to concede on bread and circuses. but really hierarchies just scale dependent on the bottom, and given as the owner to labour ratio has more or less never increased in terms of labour when you start with straight up feudalism, there was not really a reason to increase QoL in the first place. Quite the opposite happened when there was a mass death of labourers which increased the value of peasants giving them the political power to argue for increased standards much like their freemen counterparts.
>>98658537yes as the other anon said population number in OWoD are rather smallthere are only>somewhere between 40k to 100k vampires (including kuei jin)>around 12k garou>one mage for 250 vampires (not including kuei jin)i don't actually know how common changelings are and wraiths might outnumber the living, but the vast majority of them don't really interact with the living worldwhile in cofd between 1% to 5% are supernatural depending on if you only count major splat members or everyone who is involved with anything supernatural so that's up of 80 million and 400 million people
>>98658525>Trads after failing to provide any actual proof
>>98658654a lot of the most notable revolutions in history occurred when a critical mass of the peasantry took issue with an aristocracy that they significantly outnumbered so you can't simply pretend that the labour class is only of concern when they're fewer in number
>>98658537>Does CofD have more overall supernatural activity than OWoD?CofD covers a lot of niche shit and is allowed to have more "one off" creatures leaving the impression that there's a bigger total.WoD has a bigger range on each supernatural to odds are they have a bigger total.
>>98658681Most of those uprisings were well financed by members of the aristocracy standing on the opposite side.
I can't wait for HTP to focus back on vampires in a big way, like Stig being on the killing end when the Prince sucks hims like a juice box or the Camarilla being told by Pentex that there are three non-Wyrm lupines in their turf and putting a blood-hunt on them.
>>98658706>He thinks we are getting out from the werewolfville any time soon
>>98658687nevertheless the labour class is more of a threat when they're more numerous relative to the owner class, while each individual labourer has more value when they're fewer in number, hence the need to mollify them with bread and circuses that are also used as a method of exploitation and resource extraction with the rise of consumerism
>>98658706reminds me of the people who couldn't wait for corax and vulkan to show up on terra
>>98658723more labourers just means the ruling class is able to support more rulers to micromanage them
>>98658741unless they would rather not share their wealth with others on the same level as them and instead choose to elevate themselves higher and higher while feeding the crumbs to the masses (for a fee)
>>98658537Every book canon? Absolutely more. There's entire mini-splats hidden in blue books. That being said, I don't think it gets to immersion breaking levels if you consider that most will likely only have 50 or so members tops in a given region.
>>98658754maybe if everyone was sub-iq but in reality all institutions scale their managerial roles because a single manager can only manage a certain amount of people
>>98658760managers are just labourers who have been deluded into thinking that they're more important than the others just because they're given an extra crumb and a shiny badge saying "you're better than them"not all that different from the distinction between freemen and villeins when compared to the actual aristocracy, one has a couple more privileges than the other but both ultimately still answer to the same masters
>>98658777this includes people directly below executives and it they effectively have access to the same sort of shit then the differentiation doesn't matter
>>98658777Anyone who is not the literal king of the world is just a labourer deluding themselves
>>98658795they have as much access to the same sort of shit as the head servant of an aristocrat's mansion had access to his master's luxuriesin other words, they don't actually own any of it and all of their access to the benefits of the owner caste are entirely dependent on their subservience
>>98658822im pretty sure they own those morbillions of dollars in their bank account or through various other assets which won't disappear the moment they quit, which can be used to purchase said goods and services that you complained about
>>98658840i think you dramatically overestimate the amount of resources that managers have compared to owners
Discuss spidersWhy are they so sexual? How do the spiders do this? Why do they do this? Does their queen command them to do it?
>>98658858
>>98658865But thats where all the horny people are
>>98658538I'd rather give my life with the certain knowledge that my sacrifice would allow my village to survive, than live a comfortable yet miserable life without a higher purpose.
>>98658853do you think only executives get stock options or high paying severance packages? i implore you to research a real world corporation for once
>>98658877i think you dramatically overestimate just how significant those resources are in comparison to what the owners actually own
>>98658895Your argument was on how they were dependent on the "real" rulers of the world, but really if they can buy a private jet or yacht at this point the upper qol boundries between super rich and ruler of the world rich are meaningless
>>98658868I know. We gonna sacrifice them all to bring forth the Maeljin Incarna of Desire.
>>98658902you measure the amount of power that the ruling class has access to by their quality of life?
>>98658907clever
>>98658924If you want to measure by how much money they own then the actual richest poeple in the world are government heads like saudi arabian princes or dictators since well, they have access to the finances of their entire country. so, the statement that the most powerful people are the public heads of their own country is a bit of a tautology.
I do a unified COFD WOD setting thing and it's fun to just imagine how they work together, and I use fan splats
>>98658941Both settings are already clusterfucks so I can only imagine what that’s like. By a unified setting do you men you choose which version of each splat you like or do you throw both versions in?I've always felt Promethean would have made an excellent smaller line in oWoD.
>>98658858>Why are they so sexual?Because they are several million horny beings in a spiritual trenchcoat.
>>98658858Because those spiders are G*ian filth. Real spider reproduce only to procreate and provide the designer with more workers.
>>98658951I throw both versions in and have the POV character be this dorky 15 year old Mage who's just really into supernatural shit and is entirely lacking in the arrogance of your usual Mage. To quote him.>Why would I want to alter reality, this shit's awesome as-is.
>>98658858>Why are they so sexual? How do the spiders do this?I don't know why but I want to fuck the spider
>>98656390The Pure Breed background would make a lot of sense if you can associate it with the pelt.
>>98658933maybe measure by how much material power these people have over the world, such as the feats that decibillionaires who are well above the managerial class are capable of
>>98659026well our nephrandi mr epstein had only 500 million dollars in net worth, closer to what a small fry ceo would retire with, making him one of the "delusional" managers who believed themselves to be rulers that you were talking about, atleast compared to the actual heavyweights like our technocrat mr musk who's worth about 900 billion and the saudi family who owns 1.5 trillion. if you think there are any ghost morbillionaires besides a certain middle east country that the public isn't aware of, please let us know
>>98659044What's with the Saudi thing anyways?
>>98659127Oil is basically quintessence in the real world
>>98655536>>98655605>>98656484-t. Dr*nes
>>98658933>still thinks the richest people are the ones who have bigger numbers of fiat currency in their bank accounts and not the people who own the banks and control currencies outrightYou need to be at least 18 years old to post on this site.
>>98659205>The mutt cries out in pain as it fails to strike you You'll be added to the Pattern Web
>>98655526>le ruzzian flag spreading psyopsnot even /tg/ is safe these days?
>>98659224>has no argumentPathetic.
>>98659209you do realize that assets are already included in net worth, in this discussion, right? if you're talking about bankers or the federal reserve I don't think you quite understand that it's not exactly a top down system since the country's founders really hated the idea of a national bank and also politically they have to remain impartial and acquiese to other countries even though mr orange man has been harassing them to bring interest rates down due to the dollar's status as the global reserve currency.
>>98659236>he actually bought into geopolitical kayfabeYou have to graduate from elementary school at some point.
>>98659250if the economy actually functioned like how you imagined it did in your head, then it would immediately collapse
>>98657859>W20Anon, W20 is metaplot agnostic. That's just the 90's pentex. The most recent pentex would be 2000's pentex in W5(2000's is the canonical time period of WoD5). We don't even have 2010's pentex yet.
>>98659267Anon, where have you been the last several decades?
>>98659281considering that it's still ontologically functioning, i'm sure if you continue expousing that the west will collapse maybe you'll get it right after it coincides with another mode of failure besides economics
Soooo how would one rp as Beast-of-War? Because besides being a berserker I got no ideaAnd I’m supposed to become the avatar of it
Why haven't the jannies brought the ban hammer on the tumblr accolyte schizo in this thread yet?
>>98659307>jannies>being useful
>>98659307>is that....... an opinion i don't like?????>AIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>98659298Hi Shark! Have you asked if you can take fomori powers with taint or is it just exp?Beast-of-War is probably the most straightforward of the triatic wyrm. No underhanded tactics or ulterior motives, just pure rage and lust for total annihilation.
>>98659298does this >>98658104 help? you're frenzy personified, look quotes by khorne cultists and such
>>98659233It doesn't matter what system you develop to distribute the available resources and power, there will always be those people who are able to raise above others and abuse their position in some ways.The market system is the least opaque and the only system where voluntary exchange of services and goods can lead to a gain in utility for all parts involved.>>98655526Russia is in an extremely privilege position, it's resource rich and has the markets to sell to right next to it, it's like if you played a Paradox game with an infinite money cheat turned on.The population should have the living standards of Norway, yet we know that's far from being the case, it should be clear that an arrangement where the ruling political elite has complete freedom to manipulate the economy, as is the case when you don't have an independent Central Bank, does not necessarily lead to better outcomes.
>>98659371Here's another one that's also deranged
>>98659381What is with these people
>>98659384Did you not also see the fucking vibe coded arcade games on the white house website
>>98659392The what
What's with the amount of bait and bot posts today? Did another HtP episode come out? If not I'm still blaming HtP fags for wod6.
>>98659431it's 9/11 anon
>>98659410I am American and I agree.This man is insane
>>98659342Anon, redditors are tumblr accolyte schizos. They ban you for even saying the word "based" in many places because they consider it a "neo-nazi dog-whistle".
>>98659436I forgot about this important holiday.
>>98659527Sometimes I genuinely wonder if they’re right because I see that word used in response to bullshit
Abandon wage slavery on the behalf of pedophile billionaires who you will never meet.Embrace being penetrated by your qt witch wife's ritual dagger for the good of your local community.
>>98659307It's 9/11 anon. It's a complete troon invasion on all boards right now. Any janny that would care already has their hands full everywhere else.
>>98659551>because I see that word used in response to bullshit...Anon, it's modern slang used by kids. Why the fucking wouldn't they be saying it for dumb shit?Step away and touch grass. A large chunk of the internet is literally just actual children.
>>98659569Anon. Didn’t we come up with that
>>98659431No but god damn I hate being unable to go five posts without seeing someone just /pol/posting using WoD always Werewolf and Mage, further cementing my hatred for those two as the thinnest veneer. Though I do blame HtP for galvanizing furry ERP under WoD pretenses.
>>98659582Yes.We also came up with "cap".Tell me, how many people above 20 and not in section 8 housing say "No Cap" now?
>>98659410>>98659392Lmao. I hope /v/ had a fun thread trying to get the high score on deporting illegals
New bread will be made later tonight.>>98659527>They ban you for even saying the word "based" in many places because they consider it a "neo-nazi dog-whistle".Do they still think the hand gesture in pic rel is a dog whistle?
Why hasn't anyone had any real conversation about VtM or HtV for the last couple of hundred posts?
>>98659612>>98659436
>>98659345I haven’t asked yet… and desu most of the taints aren’t pleasant to live with. If I could chose I’d take brainwashed or “cortex bomb” because Shark HAS become the avatar (and failure ain’t an option), but it probably falls under the “thing I was already about to do anyway”.I asked on Monday if I should make a temp PC if we decided to capture a garou and recreate the Anubis experiment, but haven’t got an answer about that yet.BREAKING NEWSST literally just posted that for the night Shark would be a wraith. See picrel.>>98659345>>98659371I was wondering if there was nuance or some mannerisms I should pick up. Or a character I could emulate until I dye it completely into my colors.
>>98659612HtV discussion is largely driven by games, and nobody's posted a Vigil game related post. VtM had an in-depth discussion earlier in the thread.Anyway you know the reason, about half the posts in this thread have been very low quality bait/shitposts.
>>98659634There's nothing stopping you from counteracting bait shitposts by creating conversation about games that you actually like.
>>98659629>I was wondering if there was nuanceNo, anon this is the complete disregard for nuance, you must make Brujah Sabbat Loyalists look like delicate early Disney princesses.
Here goes nothing:What's your favourite "flavour" of blood magic?Sadhana, Thaumaturgy, Dur an ki, Setite shit or Koldunism?
>>98659610>Do they still think the hand gesture in pic rel is a dog whistle?Depends on community, but 100% yes.
>>98659663setite shit for gameplay because of how you can kinda sort them into the 3 classes of paths i mentioned here >>98651564i also really like the flavor of koldunism however i never got to play one
Reminder to any sane anons. This shit won't stop by tommorrow, the bait/shitpost cycle will continue to gradually decline until the invaders run out of antidepressents(so about a week).
Soooo… how do you play Wraith?>>98659654A scene that I have in mind if Shark is reincarnated as a Garou is basically Sukuna’s resurrectionhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtfLrz-GQjA&pp=ygUSc3VrdW5hIHJlc3VycmVjdGVk&ra=mIf possible I want to have 10 rage, and then picked the berserker fomori power to go to 15. I want anyone to feel like it’s dangerous to even breath in his presence. And if Mathilda were to Auspex Shark she wouldn’t see an aura but a black and red inferno.
>>98659663/wodg/ has thoroughly put me off of Tremere Thaumaturgy, so Akhu > Koldunism > Dur-An-Ki > Sadhana > Thaumaturgy. VtM India is almost as silly as KotE nonsense, but I always have an appreciation for Setite snake cult bullshit.
>>98659701>Soooo… how do you play Wraith?By being very miserable.
>>98659722You need to be efficient and cooperatively miserable.
>>98659591that's only because VTM doesn't try to hide the fact that vampires aren't exactly heroic
>>98659629For better or worse, BoW is pretty much pure rage and destruction. Maybe digging your claws into things and constantly growling. You could emulate the BSD leader and CONSTANTLY YELL BECAUSE YOU ARE PERPETUALLY PISSED OFF! >>98659701From my brief skim into it, its not that different from vampire. I would assume you dont need to worry about pathos and angst too much but it wouldnt hurt to verify that with your ST. Your Arcanos pretty much work like Disciplines. The pool is typically [Attribute] + [Arcanos type]. You might need to work with your ST to figure out which ones you have and the appropriate ratings.
>>98659688This Insanity will continue until further notice.
>>98659720>>98659686So little love for sadhana.It's weird, but I think your classical shiva enjoyer would be a pretty good kindred mystic.
>>98659824It requires more effort to find out than others so less people talk about it.
>>98659830>>98659824It has the same issue as a lot of paradigms in Mage. In order to get the most out of it, the player needs to have a strong knowledge of Hindu mysticism, otherwise they're just playing a curry-flavour Tremere/Koldunic sorcerer.
>>98659824that would require people to play indians and that's just not gonna happen given the reputation these guys have right now
>>98659824>your classical shiva enjoyer would be a pretty good kindred mystic.wod just made that wyrm shit number 1257 so there is little difference between shiva cultist and apep cultist in wod beside that one has far more written about them than the other
>>98659824>>98659843>>98659847Poop and pollution magic
>>98659796Alright, simple is best>From my brief skim into it, its not that different from vampire. I would assume you dont need to worry about pathos and angst too much but it wouldnt hurt to verify that with your ST. Your Arcanos pretty much work like Disciplines. The pool is typically [Attribute] + [Arcanos type]. You might need to work with your ST to figure out which ones you have and the appropriate ratings.Might not worry about angst since ST told me to look at spectres for inspiration. I know that I want to take over someone’s body, so perhaps I should specialize in that? I’d love to have a look at spectre specific powers too. If I believe his previous text (my last pic) I keep talents and skills, but use a specter’s physical attributes. I probably keep my social and mental.>There is spectre stats on the corebook, just use that for a guide-ST
>>98659686Abyss Mysticism! jki am never going to forget/forgive that one anon here made me read the lasombra clan novels only for me to come back fully hyped to the game books and find that the magic that is super fucking awesome in the trillogy is the most awful, lane and dangerous to use stuff imaginable ingame
>>98659902Anal vore ritual
>>98659902>>98659663
>>98659905legit one of the better rituals in the discipline it is that dire
>>98659377>The market system is the least opaque and the only system where voluntary exchange of services and goods can lead to a gain in utility for all parts involved.Nice try, Epsteinocratic Union shill.>Russia is in an extremely privilege position, it's resource rich and has the markets to sell to right next to it, it's like if you played a Paradox game with an infinite money cheat turned on.The population should have the living standards of Norway, yet we know that's far from being the case, it should be clear that an arrangement where the ruling political elite has complete freedom to manipulate the economy, as is the case when you don't have an independent Central Bank, does not necessarily lead to better outcomes.What's that make the USA, retard? Nice try killing your own point within your own post, that Syndicate pilpul training really paid off.
>>98659902That's the magic shadowboys deserve.
Anyone got that screencap of the Syndicate literally siphoning the life force of office workers by pressuring them to work overtime for no extra pay?
In W20, Kinfolk can accrue Renown, although with more limitations than true Fera. What about mortals or other supernaturals? If a mage started treating spirits with respect instead of being up their own ass, could they start earning Renown? If a vampire was into koldunism, would they have an easier or harder time of it?
>>98659436>>98659528Yeah, today's a sacred holiday for the Nephandic tribe. Look it up.
if baba yaga's barrier was never removed this general would be 911x better than it is currently
>>98659976But anon, the spirits deserve to be treated like the dipshits they are>>98659431desu I wonder if it's bait or just anons getting a little too heated in their doomerism considering stuff like pentex in particular did kind of age very well as a villain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2xFnKWSxdQWhere were youWhen they built the Ladder to Heaven?Did it make you feel like crying?Or did you think it was kinda gay?
>>98659976>In W20That's been a thing since 2e anon, Unsung Heroes came out decades before A Breed Apart.Also, stop using WtA20. It's books range from mediocre to complete ass.
Where can Ifind good princess (crystal edition) charsheets? The ones on mrgone are kind of fuckey
>>98660058Did you try another browser? Might be that.
>>98652056>but i imagine making it a forbidden fruit just makes the sale even easier given that tremere apprentices tend to look for any way to get a head start on the rest and setites love selling forbidden fruit to peopleIt's not like they're ever gonna change to a less toxic apprenticeship system after all.
>>98660058>are kind of fuckey
>>98660105You can take the Tremere out of the Order of Hermes, but you can't take the Order of Hermes out of the Tremere.
>>98659988>Dubs of TruthAlso manmade horrors I wish weren't within by comprehension.
Question for the anon who's mashing up WoD and CofD: What did you do with the Sabbat and Belial's Brood? Also what did you do with the Sects and Covenants?
>>98656278>there is a obtenerbration and fortitude combination power that pretty much shuts down demons and infernalists ability to hurt youWhich one?
>>98660103>>98660116>Firefox showing once again why it's the best browserI also had it crash on me out of nowhere twice this week and I really am considering switching. You guys have any recs?
I noticed that the rich neighborhoods in my town are surrounded with wrought iron gates. Well, they may be protected from The Gentry, but I'm sure that they are filled with vampires and ghosts.
>>98660176Brave is not as bad as most people say.
>>98653140You can know a lotYou can know a littleBut whatever you knowJust don't blow the whistleJoshua Dean had a memory keenHe was strong and he ran every dayBut his lungs turned to gooAnd he had a stroke tooAt 46, he was sent on his wayOh, and Swampy Barnett loved his mamaAnd he took a lot of pride in his workHe found 300 reasons a plane couldn't flyAnd now he's over his head in the dirtYou can know a lotYou can know a littleBut whatever you knowJust don't blow the whistleYou can toot a fluteYou can play the fiddleBut whatever you doJust don't blow the whistle, alrightBoeing's got planes in the skyYeah, but Boeing's got men on the groundOh, you mess with the share,s buddy bewareThey can make sure that you land safe and soundThey keep cutting their deals with the FAA, USA, fantastic lawyers of lawA little blip of the whistleCuts their bonus a littleBut you can't never see what you never did sawYou can know a lotYou can know a littleBut whatever you knowJust don't blow the whistleYou can toot a fluteYou can play the fiddleBut whatever you doJust don't blow the whistleYour life can be trash, completely dismalIt could always be worse if you just blow the whistle
>>98655968Be the change that you want to see.
>>98656383>Not that it matters since you don't need to sacrifice people to get rain.Just do a little rain dance.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owc9_1l3pqI
>>98658478The gayer the society, the more homophobic its puritans.And SL are as puritanical as it gets.
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>>98660058>PtH>any fangame reallyYou're lucky you get that much
>>98658509>herschafts of the wyrm dark thaum pathThat path might be an interesting reference, because Feed the Wyrm (the 4th dot) mentions allowing a Maeljin to permanently inhabit their soul as a possible sacrifice that victims might be demanded to do. And House the Maeljin can be permanent with 6+ successes.>only if the vampire fails a willpower roll beside that a vampire who rolls well enough can in theory keep them sealed foreverLooking into it, resisting Maeljin influence in House the Maeljin seems to be difficulty 8 Self-Control rolls. And the original back and forth between Tiamat and Drakonskyr was said to require Willpower 9 rolls on her part, and she has Self Control 4 Willpower 10...So.... mayyybe? If I'm mathing right Tiamat's roll is harder than Maeljin's but not for Tiamat specifically. Something like 83% for Self Control 5 Difficulty 8, 89% for Willpower 10 Difficulty 9, and 76% for Self Control 4 Difficulty 8 unless I botch my math completely somewhere.So maybe something like a particularly beefy Maeljin would be a good analogue? Idk. On the other hand, the Maeljin in the dark thaumaturgy can only try to take over once per night, while Tiamat is dealing with that every single turn...
>>98655616There's no way he's the actual shooter.
