>>98660496
Wards. Mainline books put great value on raising the next generation, so they can be a great metric stick of both how far your characters have come, and how well (or worse) off the next generation will be.
My first VtM chronicle, the ST allowed me to "rescue" a pair of shovelheads into my care. My favorite session in the entire chronicle was walking them through Vampire 101 of how to hunt, and more importantly, when to not.

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>>98660496
Fighting the horrors

Question for more knowedgable folk, would it make sense for a True Brujah to be a high ranking member of Pentax?

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>to swear fealty to an elf lord you need to kneel for 15 minutes
>the oath itself is very short
What am I supposed to do for the rest of the time I have to kneel? Suck him off?

>>98660558
As long as he is a evil dipshit and has the power to back it they have a fairly equitable hiring scheme. It's a equal opportunities death cult.

>>98660558
The thing about corruption is that it can technically be in any clan or bloodline.

But at the same time, this is the bloodline described by the Followers of Set as "Our newest friends. We are still, I admit, at a loss for how best to tempt them. They don't seem to WANT anything."

And the infernalist connections they might have through the Tal'Mahe'Ra sound more like they'd be anti-Pentex given the Moloch-Nergal schism.

So if you want to tie one to Pentex you should probably think of a good reason why this one True Brujah in particular is involved. Are they just using them for their own purposes and plan to move on from them eventually? Did they have some experience hundreds of years ago that set them on this path?

Or maybe they don't need to be a True Brujah if what you are interested in is the disciplines, they could always be someone who diablerized a True Brujah.

>>98660566
Maybe listen as other people speak? Maybe you start kneeling from the very beginning but there is a speech from the lord first, or questions on whether someone wishes to state any objections or forever hold their peace, or someone else introduces you and states your credentials while you kneel there... Like how the vows in a marriage ceremony are far shorter than the full ceremony.

>>98660558
Pentex is a death cult for bringing the Apocalypse. The Tal'mahe'ra is a death cult to bring forth Gehenna, but only in their own terms. There is some room for someone playing both sides to accelerate, delay, change or cancel the end of the world there.

Okay so at this point I'm at a loss and I figure somebody will be able to provide an answer
How the fuck are clans/bloodlines determined? Are you not just the same clan as the guy who sired you? Am I missing something?

>>98660558
>>98660614
For example, a Trujah trying to help their Antediluvian win Gehenna despite their current absence from the timeline: either by setting up the dominoes juuuust right so that the world is ready for the true Brujah Antediluvian when their trip forward in time escaping Troile finally ends (and thus the world isn't allowed to end earlier), or by trying to accelerate Gehenna so that all of their Antediluvian's rivals will have killed each other before the end of the trip through time and thus Brujah/Ilyes can win without a single fight in the aftermath.

>>98660652
>Are you not just the same clan as the guy who sired you?
99% of the time yeah, but sometimes weird stuff happens: maybe the blood is a bit weak in you and you end up Caitiff, or you had some fae blood before the Embrace and thus end up Maeghar... The clan is in the blood, but the blood isn't immutable

>>98660652
>clans
For the most part, yes.
>bloodlines
Bloodlines are a more or less a divergence from a clan or a caitiff bloodline that actually stabilized. Gangrel are actually known for having a multitude of bloodlines as their blood was famous for being highly mutable. Volgirre toreador trace their bloodline to philippe volgirre who studied vicissitude and then taught his childer vicissitude until it became a feature in his descendants. Iirc some bloodlines actually originated in the sabbat as vaulderie embraces had a way of mixing the blood.

I kinda like the idea of two vampires from different clans blood bonding to eachother and trying to mix their blood close enough together to create a childer that has traits of both 'parents'.

>>98660496
>TQ
Innocents is a remarkably solid book, but personally I'm not inclined to play a child as my PC. I did get to upgrade a (teen) innocent NPC into a Hunter over the course of a chronicle.

Generally speaking, kids are best in supporting roles and/or characters to be protected.

tzimisce futa cock

Yeah unless being told no, I’ll pick the corruption arcanoi and just body-snatch a garou. Though since I spent all my exp previously in koldunism and willpower I might be tight. We’ll see how character creation goes

>DIEsel
The Wyrm is not even hiding anymore.

>>98660787
Meds and o'Tolley burger. Now.

>>98660601
That makes sense, though I wouldn't mind if my guess was correct, six dots in Appearance don't grow on the trees after all.
I think you can safely guess my kith btw.

Toreador and his blood-bound childer/lover Tomboy gf

Question for the anon who was working on a WoD-CofD mashup: What did you do with the Sabbat and Belial's Brood? Moreover, what did you do with the vampire Sects and Covenants?

>>98660508
Still mildly annoyed Princess assumes PCs are college aged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3fKrPOs7E

>>98660886
Unrelated, but Invader Zim is a perfect example of how regular people in the WoD are supposed to be envisioned as. They’re stupider, more incompetent, shallower, and hopelessly corrupt. It’s why the Camarilla and the Sabbat can have shadow wars. It’s why Pentex has easily infiltrated most of society. It’s why it’s a miracle when someone manages to Awaken. It’s why when you Imbue any of these dopes, they crack more often than not.

>>98660910
I usually imagine they as tired and gray more than stupid. They're worn down by life, trapped in the moment, ignorant and easily distracted. Less Invader Zim humans and more, I don't know, there's got to be a good example of grayed out noire humans somewhere.

>>98660910
>"He has fangs! Is that a part of your 'skin condition'? Vampire fangs?!"
>"...yes."
>*VtMB Masquerade Restored sfx plays*

>>98660910
I feel like it doesn't have to be that different from real life. Everyone knows that criminals exist, ranging from elite pedophiles to the mob to random crackheads, and yet most people don't lose sleep over it, supernatural criminals are not that different. This is basically the approach CofD uses.

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>TQ
Children always add a certain gravitas whether they're the victims, bystanders or perpetrators. They need to be used wisely and sparingly, i.e. preferably not as PCs or Touchstone-like recurring characters.
>>98660910
>Invader Zim is a perfect example of how regular people in the WoD are supposed to be envisioned as.
Do you mean like this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIyXcouRmKk ?

>>98660660
>so that the world is ready for the true Brujah Antediluvian when their trip forward in time escaping Troile finally ends (and thus the world isn't allowed to end earlier)
That one's specific to the Lilith ToJ scenario IIRC. The one that also featured her hating the shit out of the Trujah IIRC.

>98660496
>What is the best way to utilize children in a WoD/CofD chronicle?
As victims or monsters.

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>>98660146
Vicente de las Navas de Tolosa's Holy Shield aka the power of the abyss makes it so that you need x successes to even touch me

>>98660506
i am so in the mage brain rot at first i was wondering why you are turning kids into wardings and what that has to do with shovelheads

>>98661383
average Verbena "I can't believe it's not nephandi" magick

Why isn't there a sect of vampires who correctly identify that vampires are a blight on the world and dedicate themselves to exterminating all other vampires for the good of humanity? I would have thought that such an objectively moral perspective would be more common in a setting that regularly displays how monstrous, evil and inhuman vampires are.

>>98661436
the children of osiris been that

it's not focused on as much as the whole bardo thing by the community but they been a sect that ritually sterilized members and worked with the osirian league towards the endgoal of killing every single vampire including themselves in the end

however a sect of vampires that despises the behavior of vampires on a moral ground will always lose because they tend to not be willing to do all the evil shit vampires do for the sake of power and control

>>98661436
The Children of Osiris are sort of the like that. But they focus more on the ''do no harm, do not sire and convert vampires into our group'' rather that straight up ''total kindred death'', so they end up more as hippie vegan vamps. They were also retconned out of the meta-plot in Revised, because we aren't allowed good things, everything has to be gritty and edgy in the World of Darkness.

>>98661458
>>98661460
Why aren't they more popular, considering how heinously evil most vampires are?

>>98661471
because they lost to the evil vampires (setites) over and over again

and being good as a vampire is fucking hard so they are always going to be few of them

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>setites wiped out children of osiris
>btfoed the silent striders so hard they had to leave egypt and wander forever
>enslaved all bubasti kinfolk, forcing the cat sluts to grovel for the privilege of breeding with their inbred hairless deformed desert floppas
>embraced the greatest mokole and demorilized all the dragon wannabes for all eternity
>access to the most powerful blood magic paths
>brew their own beer they can drink

>>98661490
they also bullied the chakravanti into making the nagaraja
ignored the nagah's attempt at killing them and the wereserpents still had to give up because they weren't making a dent into them no matter how many assassinations they did
bullied the entirety of the laibon into letting them alone in their territory to do whatever they wanted
created their own underworld realms
corrupted a egyptian craft of mages and then instead of using them they decided that they are shit and feed them to the bane mummies and their minions

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>>98661460
>They were also retconned out of the meta-plot in Revised, because we aren't allowed good things, everything has to be gritty and edgy in the World of Darkness.
I mean, they actually 100% had a good end for them in Revised. They become human again.

>>98661496
to be fair the Cult of Isis dropped the ball hard. So hard they went from creating the Spell of Life, which is the origin point for so many immortality rotes, to becoming a glorified sorcerous organization. The few that ended up joining the Hermetics as Hosue Shaea are the only ones left that make passable Mages.

It just seems like a blind spot, that one of the most realistic and one of the only sensible reactions to becoming a vampire ("holy shit, we're monsters, the only ethical way to justify continuing to existing is to dedicate myself to total vampire extinction") has basically zero representation in VtM aside from an irrelevant bloodline.

>>98661517
>they went from creating the Spell of Life, which is the origin point for so many immortality rotes, to becoming a glorified sorcerous organization
they didn't create shit thoth who in wod is a avatar of anubis taught isis the spell

>>98661490
and then got btfo by a singular bastet bringing the sun down for a week,consequently their clan founder was blown up by christ

>>98661518
loyalist ass*mites will tell you that this is part of their belief system, but they are also mass diablerists and exclude themselves from that for no reason beside a false sense of superiority and apartheid

>>98661368
>if you're roadmaxxing doing ANYTHING to you is 8-10 difficulty
Jesus H. Christ and this is supposed to be a rank 3 combo?

>>98661476
>and being good as a vampire is fucking hard so they are always going to be few of them
Not to mention the fact that doing recruitment drives is always a morally fraught endeavour if you give a shit about that sort of thing which means all the asshole vamps you inevitably clash with are gonna have a numbers advantage.

>>98661573
8-10 difficulty with a minimum of 2 successes needed with the number of successes scaling up with obtenebration

and this is minimum difficulty meaning you can still raise it in any other way you might have. And all that for 7 exp

>>98661368
>characters on blasphemous and unholy roads
Does this include the Lasombra's own Obten obsessed road?

>>98661597
the road of the abyss? possibly but that one is more just cold and reclusive than going out and hurting people so i could see the argument against it especially because you can't use the abyss being evil itself as argument because you are using that yourself

road of night? yeah those guys are flat out vampire nephandi who don't tell their recruits that they replaced "god" with outerlords till they have been on the road for long enough to not care

>>98661518
I said this a few threads ago, but Requiem covenants are kinda themed around how people would rationalize being turned into a vampire, Ordo Dracul tries to be scientific about it, Lancea et Sanctum think they have a purpose from God to "test the faithful", etc.
There is a vampire hunter covenant, VII, but they're antagonist only.

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Congratulations! You've awakened and are now a Mage. What splat are you in? Doesn't matter. Pick three practices from the list for your magic.

>>98661633
what's the difference between weird science and hypertech? and shouldn't that also include alchemy?

why are voudoun and shamanism different practices?

and then there is fucking yoga

what clown wrote this?

>>98661616
So it's a flaw shared by VtR then.

>>98661647
>what's the difference between weird science and hypertech? and shouldn't that also include alchemy?
Hypertech is science that follows current or usually future scientific principles that's a souped up version of sleeper science. Think terminators, cloning, laser guns etc. Basically hard sci-fi. Weird Science is mad science that is either (very) soft sci-fi or science based on esoteric, pseudo-scientific or straight up mystic principles. Basically what Etherites do. Alchemy can be folded into weird science yes, but it can be purely magical.

>why are voudoun and shamanism different practices?
No idea. My guess is shamanism focuses more on the spirit world than voodoo?

>and then there is fucking yoga
In the book it's a catch all term for all magic that uses meditation, body positioning, breathing techniques and other such things.

>what clown wrote this?
Does this require asking? Phil ''Goatboy'' Brucato.

>>98661672
>Hypertech is science that follows current or usually future scientific principles that's a souped up version of sleeper science. Think terminators, cloning, laser guns etc. Basically hard sci-fi. Weird Science is mad science that is either (very) soft sci-fi or science based on esoteric, pseudo-scientific or straight up mystic principles. Basically what Etherites do

there is no difference though none of what you listed nor what the technocracy is doing is hard scifi at all. Cloning whole people with memories and soul. hand held laser guns that are useful in anyway or liquid metal robots are all the softest of soft scifi

>No idea. My guess is shamanism focuses more on the spirit world than voodoo?
voodoo is all about spirits (loa, yours, ancestors) and their practitioners are called shamans in english

>>98661688
Well, that's how the two are differentiated in M20. Hypertech follows scientific principles even if in practice that's not true at all, while Weird Science doesn't even pretend to be inside the consensus.

>voodoo is all about spirits (loa, yours, ancestors) and their practitioners are called shamans in english
I'm not too familiar with either, but yes this one does seem like a very arbitrary culture-based division.

>>98661647
>why are voudoun and shamanism different practices?
because when they first wrote mage they turned ALL european shamanism into one faction dominated by celts and all native americans into animism

they then wrote some smaller factions to cover asian shamans and vodoo

now they want you to ignore that most wod asia every existed because of how racist it would seem by todays standard but don't see how racist it is to put every shaman from eurasia and all shamans from north to south america into one practice and then say that those shamans from africa are the only ones who are different

>and shouldn't that also include alchemy?
suprised that you didn't point out that alchemy should also include medicine-work and yes yes it should especially because alchimists for the most part did not think of themselves as witches but as what we would call scientists today they just had some weird theories about how the world works that did not turn out to be true
>>98661688
> hand held laser guns that are useful in anyway or liquid metal robots are all the softest of soft scifi
yes but the game wants you to pretend otherwise

>>98661647
>what's the difference between weird science and hypertech? and shouldn't that also include alchemy?
The difference is that one can look at a terminator or laser gun or anti-matter reactor and say "Yeah, I can see that in the future of our modern world" and looking at a gun that uses clockwork tech to vibrate atoms apart, bioshock style seaslug superpower serums and flying ships that can travel between the planets

>>98661647
>>98661688
According to how M20 defines these things:
>hypertech
Using established science and tested principles as the foundation for new technology that pushes the envelope and theoretically adheres to common scientific theory.
>weird science
Defying established science in order to create technology that doesn't push boundaries or even pay lip service to conventional society, it just breaks rules in very obvious ways.
>alchemy
Processes that transform one substance into another. Hypertech and weird science can both be used to do this, but it can also be done without either of them.
>Shamanism
Entering and interacting with the spirit world at large and dealing with spirits in general, as M20 defines it. It seems to cover broader animistic religions.
>Vodoun
Invoking specific spirits and asking favours of them, particularly ancestral or communal spirits, without caring about the wider spirit world. Less focus on general animism.
>Yoga
Any sort of physical exercise that could be used to enhance the practitioner's body, mind, heart and/or soul in some shape or form. If a mage thinks yoga is serious business, then it is.

>>98661670
The conflict between realising that you are a monster and not who you used to be, and trying to rationalise and adapt to that in order to continue your parasitic existence is a through-line for both Masquerade and Requiem. I would posit that it's a more personal stance, not something suited to the scale of something like a full Covenant in Requiem.

All of the Covenants could make a case for no more embraces, but the more hands-off design and intent of Requiem means that it wouldn't necessarily be the cornerstone of a covenants structure and belief. The Carthians may well have a project to test the idea of "Hey, we as Vampires are parasites and we destroy everything we touch, whether we mean to or not. What if we cut back a bit?", the Lancea Sanctum could say "God ordained a specific few as Kindred, and this city is overrun with vermin fledgelings polluting the purity of our purpose. We need to clean house". The Ordo Dracul and Circle could make a similar case if you swap God out for some other being or purpose.

But none of those would work as the main tentpole of a Covenant that the PCs are meant to interact with. You have VII for that, and as >>98661616 notes, they are presented as antagonists because that's what they are.

>>98661633
reality hacking. chaos magic and either maleficia or witchcraft

>>98661647
>why are voudoun and shamanism different practices?
white wolf for some reason took the necromancy out of shamanism for the most part but not out of voodun so in mage one is animism and gods and one is ancestor spirits and gods

and yes you are right this is not a very common seperation as most if not all animistic religions consider us to have spirits/souls

People still attack Mage the Ascension over how it handles Shamanism and Vodoun, with claims that it's culturally appropriative and insensitive and exploitative, and the separation of those things was just an attempt to appease those people that failed.

If we ever get M6, any direct mention of any mystical practice that isn't European in origin will be deleted and magic will be made far more general and culturally neutral, to avoid offending anyone.

>>98661633
actually voudon, weird science and alchemy sounds fun

>>98661817
>back to only hermetics, because nobody cares about pissing off europeans, paradoxically leading to the exact same "european culture dominates all media"
dare I say, based? You can really see how the technocracy evolved out of the Order of Hermes, they've got their roots in doing nothing and still btfoing everybody else.

>>98661918
No, there's going to be a group called the Order of Hermes, but they're going to be open to mages in their order doing magic however they want, just with a bonus to Forces magic, because Paradox won't want to culturally center anyone, even if they use generic European terminology for everything.

>>98661953
>No, there's going to be a group called the Order of Hermes, but they're going to be open to mages in their order doing magic however they want
But we already have like 20 mini groups folded into Ex Misc that already do that

>>98661817
>>98661953
isn't that just awakening?

>>98661975
Once again proving that the Paradox World of Darkness is just an incredibly watered-down version of the Chronicles of Darkness but with World of Darkness naming conventions.

>>98661971
Not enough. The entire Order of Hermes must have its culture and personality stripped out in order to cater to everyone of every background and allow anyone to be a Hermetic mage if they want to be, even if they don't actually do Hermetic magic of any sort.

>>98661817
>People still attack Mage the Ascension over how it handles Shamanism and Vodoun
Where?
I mean, I wouln't be surprised bu this is the first time I ever heard the complain about that. Usually fags get upset over Verbena or Dreamspeakers. (or Taftani fucking their apperentices.)

if you would be asked to upgrade one bloodline to a clan and downgrade one clan to a bloodline what would your picks be?

>>98661460
Revised was really the edition that killed WoD and I hate how most people don't give it enough shit as it deserves. Piece of shit edition that never should have existed.

>>98661975
I think there were people still mad about Awakening, because it uses the word mana, which is like Polynesian or something. If I remember correctly, one of the books addressed it, and said you can use Pneuma instead if you want.

>>98661987
Places that are more liberal than 4chan where they compete over who can cringe the most at the problematic 90s kitsch of WoD.

In the case of Mage the Ascension, I run into a fair bit of tutting and wokescolding over how Mage was written from an uneducated white boy perspective of every single culture that wasn't modern American.

>>98662008
People behind revised should be sent to the caul for that what they did to mage

Are there any premade games for princess, or recommendations on a game/scenario to try out princess?

>>98661633
Chaos Magick, Craftwork, and Reality Hacking
Pretty sure I tick off all the "Entropy, Stasis, Dynamism" boxes with it too, funny thing that.

>>98661775
Verbena
>>98661857
Afro-futurist Etherite
>>98662062
Hollower

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how far into a robot can i actually turn myself into in mage before i count as "dead" and my avatar moves on?

>>98662101
Theoretically you can straight up be a robot as long as you or whoever is doing the robot transformation uses Spirit/Dimensional Science to transfer your avatar.

>>98662101
fully but it might turn your into a techno liche and then you can't level arete anymore

Lads, I want to get into this kino looking setting. Is it a good time to pick it up now that V6 is coming? My only experience with this setting is from Bloodlines. Do I need to read V4 and V5 to get all the lore?

>>98662169
There's never been a good time, but sure
Read 20th Anniversary edition if you really want a deep dive, we've got all of the books you might want in the mega in the OP

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>>98662183
Thank you, anon. I will. I heard great and terrible things about this setting.

>>98662086
>Hollower
Sounds accurate desu. Bunch of misfits with a rather eclectic take on magic sound like someone I'd be interested in meeting.
Something something magic 4chan, where not-Moot is an actual little girl.

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>>98661633
Cool.
I'm getting Shamanism, Alchemy and High ritual magick.
Chaos magick and Reality hacking were very tempting but I'm not sure I fully understand what they are.

>>98661436
I had a completely opposite idea the other day: a section of vampires that treat vampirism more like a disease rather than a fundamental change of their nature and are so deep in denial about no longer being human that it actually affects their curse.

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Rate my ghoul. They have only eaten human flesh for the past fifty years.

>>98661633
i can guess most of these but what is gutter magic and maleficia?

>>98661518
>game about political drama
>actually, we should disengage with society and become terrorists
That's Hunter, actually. I could see playable Ghoul/Revenant being exclusive to Hunter, for all your anti-vampire Blade types.

>>98662296
>smells
>possible brain damage
>ugly eyes
8/10

>>98661817
Or, the opposite. Celestial Choir is broken up by faiths and made equal to the other cultural groups.

>>98662238
>Chaos magic
Something only has power if people believe it has power, by investing belief into symbols and deluding yourself into thinking that something has power and meaning, it gains those things.
>Reality hacking
Everything has a weakness that can be exploited, including the universe, it's just a case of finding out those weaknesses and figuring out to exploit them, whether that's through traditional magic spells, social engineering, or tampering with the source code of the universe using a laptop or a script on your phone.

>>98662238
>>98662299
>Reality hacking
Think High Ritual, but you're trying to pull a fast one on the celestial order, rather than appealing to it.
>Chaos Magick
"It just werks"™©
As I understand it, it's a loose collection of highly-individual practices that seldom make sense to anyone but the mage himself, even more so than usual.

Compare Chaos with Gutter Magick.
The latter takes liberties with the materials, like substituting a holy cross with two two-by-fours nailed together into a cross. You make do with low-quality materials.
Whereas the former takes liberties with the methods, such as swapping chalk circle around items for tying a red string around them, then tying two ends of it together, resulting in the same effect because it also "encircles" stuff. You make do with conceptually-similar replacements.

Chaos + Gutter Magick are the ultimate grunge mage combo.

>maleficia
"Woe, gay be upon ye!"
It's the art of doing bad shit to someone with magic. Cursing, poisoning, enfeebling, and so forth.
Practice is what you do and, with Maleficia, what you do is harmful and evil shit.

>>98661633
>>98662320
so can i got gutter, chaos and cybernetics to make myself implants out of random trash that work?

>>98661436
>>98661471
>>98661518
I know this is bait, but fuck it.
>Because vampires do not exist in a vacuum. You start out weak, and only the most inept sires just let fledglings wander off. Your first year or so of unlife has you under the tutelage (and power) of an older, more powerful vampire.
>Unless you're in the Sabbat, most vampires get slow-rolled into the monstrousness. You don't start with blood orgies. If you're in the Camarilla for example, it's pretty easy to stay at "objectively immoral but not actively malevolent" if you want to. If you are in the Sabbat, you're either a battle-slave shovelhead, or part of a pack, which involves a weak blood bond to the rest of the pack. Meaning you'd need to go full school shooter on the closest things to friends you have.
>Some vampires start off as ghouls, meaning they've got potentially years of brainwashing and idolizing vampirism.
>Even if you have a single individual that decides all vampires must die, how are they expected to find other likeminded vampires? One wrong move and they out themselves too soon, causing them to be blood hunted with extreme prejudice.

Also what >>98662311 says. One of the things I like about Vampire is that it doesn't pussyfoot around being the bad guy, unlike a lot of WoD games. Why would I want to play that when there's already games for being a more conventional (albeit edgy) hero?

>>98661633
Chaos magick, Hypertech and Shamanism

>>98661633
Alchemy, Weird Science and Medicine-work

>>98662347
praise the omnissiah

>>98662320
I'm changing my >>98662238 selection to Shamanism, Alchemy and Reality Hacking, then.

>>98662338
Only if you wish to go full Tetsuo the Iron Man.

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>>98662101
All the way until you don't have a brain and just metal and wire.
It isn't that hard if you have the spheres but very costly if you don't.

>>98662371
sure sounds fun. Any idea what faction that mage would be?

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>>98662363
>Chaos magick
>Omnissiah
Anon, he's a heretek.

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>>98661633
faith, cybernetics and martial arts

>>98662378
Gutter and chaos magic are typically the domain of the Hollow Ones. Provided that he's able to explain his cybernetics with a sort of technobabble, the Etherites might accept him, though they'll turn up their nose when they realise that his methods are more magical than "scientific." The Hermetics would probably shove him in House Ex Misc along with all of their other oddities who don't conform to traditional Hermeticism. Some of the more avant-garde Virtual Adepts might also be cool with him, since they approve of cybernetics and might view the chaos magic as a form of reality hacking.

How powerful is a 7th gen vamp to the average Garou?

>>98662424
7th gen is a celling. the generation alone tells us far too little it doesn't tells us anything about his powers at all

there is also no average garou because of the way auspices and tribes work like we can say the average garou is probably rank 2 or 3, but not what gifts they would have etc

>>98662424
Too many variables. It's entirely dependent on the Disciplines that the vampire has, the Gifts that the werewolf has, and the environment in which they would be fighting.

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>>98662378
Probably a Marauder, if the tech grows on or in him like infectious cancer. The aforementioned movie is great inspiration for that, but also Virus, and Star Trek borgs.
Alternatively, an Etherite of the less sane variety maybe? They still have plenty of those types too, you know. Essentially Dr.Frankenstein, but working with live tissue instead.

>>98662377
Makes me want to have a Nephandi big bad that borged out completely with something like this.

>>98662444
>>98662448
Ok, let's simplify things, how powerful would a Camarilla regent be to the average lupine?

>>98662424
to get on what the other said a 7th gen vampire can be a baali who is running a infinite exp feedback loop that allows him to buy disciplines and demonic arcana and investment for himself without any actual demon involved

or a neonate without any combat or mind control powers at all

>>98662464
still nothing m8 there is no average regent

etrius who is in the "too powerful to stat" category is the regent of vienna as could be some 50 year old without any combat powers beside path of blood 5

>>98662464
Since we're talking about generic lupines now, I think that most Tremere powerful enough to become and remain regent of their local chantry would probably be able to subdue a lupine using this or that thaumaturgy.

What would happen if I shot a werewolf point plant with a 14.5mm rifle?

>>98662465
Why are there no Baali who have taken advantage of that in the actual setting and usurped Caine as the most powerful vampire ever? Are they all retarded?

>>98662491
because it's a exploit it's certainly not what white wolf wanted and it only exists because they sucked at writing rules

and just like bugs in video games the writers very rarely consider those canon, but we the players can still choose to use them

>>98662489
They wouldn't just shrug it off, even if it was the base steel-core round. We're talking about a weapon that was effective against all axis tanks at the start of ww2, from fairly long ranges

>>98662338
You would become Inspector Gadget, yes.

>>98662509
But if it's a part of the rules, it's a part of the setting. It's something that the Baali explicitly have access to according to the lore now, so why are they so retarded that they don't take advantage of it?

>>98662489
It would survive and still be combat capable, so it would proceed to mince you.

>>98662521
because the writers didn't SEE it so they couldn't write about it

you can't get a watonian reason for something doyl didn't know

>>98662491
>Implying Caine isn't using all of the same busted stuff his childer have implemented

>>98662526
Now if the shot blew their chest or head apart.

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>>98662489
>>98662559
.50cal apparently only does 10 lethal damage, an average wolf could easily soak 4 on an average roll, then it would regenerate almost instantly, you'd need it to be some kind of specially modified silver tipped projectile to cause agg damage and actually put it down in one shot

>>98662569
14.5 has a weee bit more buck than .50 bmg though. Plus I just can't see a flesh creature survive being shot with anti-tank weaponry, half-spirit nor not.

>>98662579
it's magic

>>98662579
Half-spirit blender with magic yes

>>98661633
gimme uhhhhhh
Chaos Magick/Craftwork/Crazy Wisdom
I'd prefer play around with Talismans, Gemstones, and Paints, though I guess they can be construed from those

>>98662347
Would like to undergo the traditional shamanistic death/destruction as part of your initiation?
Underworld journey can be added, and you can choose how the spirits reassemble you.

>>98661633
Faith
Shamanism
Martial Arts

>>98662559
>>98662579
Werewolves are magical.
This magic allows them to roll their Rage rating against difficulty 8 if damage would ever incapacitate them, and heal an amount of health levels equal to the successes rolled, no matter the type of damage. The downside is that they frenzy and lose self-control in the process.
In other words, you cannot one-tap a werewolf, no matter the weapon. They will regenerate from the damage and they will almost certainly get to retaliate, unless you fabricate a situation where they are completely helpless and unable to retaliate and even this regeneration renders them incapable of fighting back before you blast them again and take them down for good.

I see we're running through this script again.

>>98662648
Same question >>98662648 for (you)

We haven't talked about VtM or HtV in a while. I wonder why that is.

>>98662705
Nigger there's a VtM discussion earlier in this thread. Or are you a wooffag trying to run some sort of reverse-psychology shitpost?

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>>98662663
Goku in base form can probably beat them in one punch.

>>98662713
I'm just getting tired of you spamming "oh my god why are we talking about games that I don't like" multiple times every thread, when you are chronically incapable of actually maintaining discussions about the games that you actually like. You're boring.

>>98662701
>>98662648
I presume you wanted to link >>98662645 instead

Yes, but my idea of Faith is through Christ, so instead of going through an underworld or Limbo, I'd have to be guided out of the afterlife by my Avatar. I'd reawaken with the knowledge of where I'll go when I die if I do not change my ways, and which demons would be responsible for my torture or redemption.

>>98662718
Well yeah, he's Goku, he gets to break the rules. But W20's example given for remaining-active regeneration is a Garou getting caught in the blast of an IED packed with silver shrapnel at point blank range. The werewolf proceeds to regenerate half of its health levels and go sicko mode on the hunters who lobbed the grenade at it. Almost anything that you can throw at a werewolf in the World of Darkness won't be able to take it down in one hit.

>>98662730
Schizopost.

>>98661633
Cybernetics, Hypertech and Yoga (for all the hot Progenitor bitches.)

>>98662000
>Upgrade Bloodline to Clan
I'd rather not, but I'll be a cheapass and say Harbinger of Skulls.
>Downgrade Clan to Bloodline
Assamite. They're by far the worst offenders in the game of "this should be a bloodline".

>>98662772
Not even a 500lb bomb? Shirley it'd get decimated with that.

>>98662821
but if you turn the assamites into a bloodline. a bloodline of which clan?

Question for the anon who was working on a WoD-CofD mashup: What did you do with the Sabbat and Belial's Brood? Moreover, what did you do with the vampire Sects and Covenants?

>>98662569
>5.56 has the same damage as 308 and 30-06
Holy noguns

>>98662000
>downgrade
Malk.

>upgrade
Noiad. Yes, really.

>>98662827
Brujah would be the funny one. Both are trigger happy, and the diablerist aura makes some sense with Troile having been the first diablerist.

>>98662824
If it's an ST fiat "rocks fall, you die" thing that isn't based on mechanics, then sure, the Garou dies.
If it's based on mechanics, then anything that reduces the Garou to Incapacitated can trigger a Rage roll for the Garou to heal a bunch of health levels and remain active, no matter what sort of damage it is.
If the ST thinks that a Garou wouldn't be able to survive that sort of damage no matter what, then it's up to the ST to say "we're not rolling for damage, the Garou just dies." So if you're the ST and you want to skip rolling for damage and just have a 500lb bomb automatically kill everything in its blast radius without rolls, that's up to you.

>>98660873
>>98662839
You don't need to spam a question twice in 150 posts bro. Who exactly are you even talking to? A lot of people run a mix of WoD and CofD, to varying degrees.

>>98662824
If you're dropping 500lb bombs then you're probably a technocrat. Just MK Ultra one of their family members, implant them with Prime charged explosives and blow them up that way.

>>98662489
It would be extremely painful
>Point plant
lol

>>98662000
>one bloodline to a clan
Baali
> and downgrade one clan to a bloodline
Setites

que nothing changes

>>98662827
You technically dont even have to do that. The salubri were a bonafide clan that got reduced to a bloodline and you could say the same about the ravnos after the week of nightmares.

Things that can annihilate Garou:
Nuke: at least 10 levels of unsoakable agg damage in the explosion radius
Ratkin Zap: Rage + Gnosis levels of damage (yes a wererat charging themselves from a socket can deal up to 20 dmg)
Antimatter: 3 unsoakable agg in 100 yards per success, but you can make as much successes worth of anti-matter as you want before blowing it up

>>98662772
I never quite figured if they start from 0 or from the -value that the hit took them into. Like, if I did 30000 aggravated damage to a wolf, would it then get to remain active and be left with 1-2 hp, or would it need to first regenerate past the thousands of overkill damage?

>>98662922
There's no boxes after Incapacitated to fill, so once the Incapacitated box is filled, you start from there. Any excess damage that pushes the Garou past Incapacitated is irrelevant, that's my interpretation.

>>98662922
Anything pass the last level rolls over and upgrades the prior levels to more serious damage. If everything is filled with aggravated the extra levels are simply ignored.

>>98662705
Is the magefaggots. The anon who mocked them calling mage "wieckslop" was right. These mongrels are constantly spamming the thread with irrelevant shit like power scaling, goku and thinking they have esoteric powers when they're the most stupid of all the splats here. I don't know what it is about mage that call such obnoxious fanbase.

>>98662919
Chainsaws.

>>98663015
>splat is always touted as THE MOST POWERFUL EVARRRR
>splat is all about solipsistically obsessing over your version of reality at the expense of all others
>splat caters to playing a megalomaniacal asshole
>every subsplat is some variety of the above
>magic system is tailored for metagaming, rules lawyering, and powergaming setting breaking faggotry
Gee anon, I have no idea why Mage has such a knack for attracting problem players either.

>>98663015
>t. The anon who called mage “wieckslop”
You’re not fooling anyone, you know.

>>98661647
Yoga magic was a thing back in the day that has mostly fallen out of relevance in modern times as most nowadays will only use it for exercise and meditation

Had two hunters brave a haunted mine where a low-tier slasher had made a base.

The hunters were pretty well-armed (pistols and small axes, plus a crowbar or so), and even then, one of them almost got killed by the slasher during a surprise jumpscare attack. The slasher killed all the lights for a second, then struck one of the hunters in the back and almost instantly killed them (dealing iirc seven damage and leaving the hunter with one). Everyone was surprised by how much damage a single pickaxe could do. But they did prevail in the end by shooting the slasher, like, two times.

All in all a succesful hunt?

>>98662379
>hereteks

That's just the changelings in the shadow court

>>98663094
>a low-tier slasher had made a base
Freak or Brute?

>>98663132
A brute though I did make them more sneaky in how they attacked

>>98663149
Perfectly doable. The book itself does say that Brutes aren't necessarily retards, in fact they can keep a job and whatnot. They're just monofocused when their bloodlust kicks in.

>>98663049
It's just another case of WoD players completely missing the moral that each game is trying to convey.
Vampire players piss on the struggle to cling to remain at least a little human and immediately rush to circumvent the Humanity system with Paths so that they can focus on treating humans like mana potions and eating increasingly older vampires in the pursuit of evermore power.
Werewolf players piss on the struggle to reform their ways and find a better way of fighting the Wyrm before it's too late and just focus on creating combat monsters so that they compete to see how many nexus crawlers each of them can kill in a single scene without any regard for collateral damage.
Mage players piss on the idea that it might not be wise to cling to rigid beliefs in a world where reality is subjective and proceed to scream at each other for daring to play characters or like factions that deviate from their personal morals because their beliefs are objectively right in the setting where almost nothing is objective.

>>98663156
And he did die after getting shot twice

>>98663173
Indeed. If you want to get a vidja style boss fight you'll need a Juggie.

>>98663049
Ironically werewolf is actually the most powerful

>But muh archmage

You're ass is a arete 3 mage

>>98663176
considering one of the hunters almost died I think the threat level was high enough
Honestly made the players reconsider their own fragility (both succeeded in Breaking Point rolls) and place in society as "protectors"

>>98663187
Based.

>Honestly made the players reconsider their own fragility (both succeeded in Breaking Point rolls) and place in society as "protectors"
When the going gets tough...

>>98663167
Being a little more charitative to Vampire players, the Humanity system sucks ass and is stupid. Most such systems suck but Vampire's is the worst across both WoD and CofD. Also miseryporn is not very engaging for very long.

>>98663049
Other splats don't derail the thread trying to create goku in their system.
>>98663167
Way to miss the point. Vampire encourages playing like a monster if you RP well and not like a moralfag and woof encorages to kill enemies of gaia. But magefags just like to spam BS for the sake of it. I think is because other splats havr actual enemies while magefags are just powerful dudes fighting shitty enemies like the technocracy so their players are pussies who never hardened up

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>>98663182
>Ironically werewolf is actually the most powerful
6 gorillion dollars for Pentex, please.

>>98663189
So far theyve hunted bane-possessed wildlife (they obviously didnt know the dogs they killed were possessed) and killed a few runaway tzimizce fleshbeasts and now the slasher
Honestly pretty good all-in-all

>>98663195
A vampire trying to remain human and avoid devolving into a callous monster is not miseryporn, it's a core premise of Vampire the Masquerade. There's no need to be reductive.

>>98663227
Notice how these faggots always say that same thing in every game they play?
>Waaaaah, Vampire's Humanity system is dumb anyway, roleplaying misery porn gets old so quickly!
>Waaaaah, Cyberpunk's Humanity system is dumb anyway, roleplaying cyberpsychosis gets old so quickly!
>Waaaaah, Call of Cthulhu's Sanity system is dumb anyway, roleplaying insanity gets old so quickly!
>Waaaaah, people being prejudiced against my tiefling warlock is dumb anyway, roleplaying fantasy racism gets old so quickly!
Funny how their complaints always amount to "let me ignore the game's setting and/or morality system because I want to powergame and/or get away with my poor choices."

>>98663227
>>98663270
Now who's being reductive? I always had problems with the Humanity system because it was reductive itself, and it gave me a "sheltered California suburbanite" vibe from the way the hierarchy of sins was structured, not to mention it interacted poorly with the system and it had a lot of potential that was squandered in favor of a rigid, one-note kind of rule. You wouldn't be surprised if I told you that most tables either fudged it or forgot it entirely because it just wasn't conductive to fun or good roleplaying.

>>98663270
For me, miseryporn is less about vampires wrestling with their waning humanity and more about the game and/or ST going out of their way to make the players suffer, as is encouraged by V5.
For example:
>One of your contacts is someone who you knew when you were alive, you've always been on good terms with him but you could ensure his cooperation through ghouling him instead of trusting him as a friend, is it worth it?
Not miseryporn.
>You've been seen in a cellphone so you've been banned from Elysium and had your domain stripped from you, which led to rolling a messy critical during a hunt in unfamiliar turf, so now you've got a Second Inquisition capture team hunting you down so that they can pull out your fangs with pliers.
Miseryporn.

>>98663227
Who the fuck said the point of vampire was becoming human? That was a possibility. Just like it was going on a rampage until you diablerize an elder. The game supported different goals for different players. What's the fucking obsession with being a miserable retard?
>>98663270
CoC stress system is fucking garbage. Did you really think this was a good post? You're not even making an argument you're just impotently crying and pissing yourself.

>>98663270
What if we made a game about playing a cool cyborg

Ok, I make a cool cyborg

First of all, how dare you!

>>98661633
Art of Desire
Chaos Magic
Malefica

What am I?

>>98663547
>What's the fucking obsession with being a miserable retard?
What's with your aversion to being reminded that your character was once an actual person and not just your ultimate school shooter power fantasy?

>>98663582
Look if you want to RP being a cuck do it but don't ask the same for everyone

>>98660614
>>98660660
Unironically will be going for this add on that he uses his power to fuck over normal Brujah.

>>98663611
I'm welcome to point out that you're a retard for looking at a horror game about playing someone who has been turned into a vampire and has to deal with that and going "yeah this is the perfect superhero power fantasy game."

From first edition to 20th Anniversary, has soak always worked the same way? Dice pool of Stamina, usually default difficulty, successes reduce damage received, can't be rolled against your supernatural weaknesses?

>>98663549
Cyberpunk isn't a game about being a cool cyborg, it's a game about living desperately because of globalization, shooting gangers in a short-sighted attempt to help yourself, and becoming part of the problem.

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>>98662000
>downgrade
Tremore

>restore
Salubri

Golconda ain't free. The path to clandom gotta be literred with the vitae of usurpers. Tremere aka "old man Trembly" is not a real antediluvian. He is a mortal diablerist and probably a thinblood as well :D:D
SAMIEL and valeren, not thaumaturgy and GORABITCH. Praise Saulot!

>>98662000
>>98663633
I'd play it as not even being a bloodline, but a weird cult/covenant. They have delusions of being on par with the Camarilla and Sabbat. Anyone can join and learn the mysterious founder's Thaumaturgy, you just have to voluntarily drink the blood of the Pyramid. If you allow yourself to be fully blood bound you even get a discount on learning Thaumaturgy.

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>>98663633
Forgot to add the teeth, but I will not delete my dubs

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>>98663666
You and your three-eyed demons won't fool me, Satan. True Faith be uppon ye.

>>98663619
Deviant Devoted Companion book gives Avengers and Captain America: The Winter Soldier as examples for inspiration. World of Darkness is officially capeshit now.

>>98663689
That's cool, but Deviant isn't Vampire.

>>98663689
>World of Darkness is officially capeshit now.
There have been superhero expies for years in WoD, way before Deviant.

>>98663703
>vampires aren't deviants

>>98663689
if the inspiration sections counts for everything then... well isn't the crow technically a super hero comic? it's been mentioned several times in owod especially the risen book is pretty much made to play as the crow

>>98663666
and again the bloodline of clan baali can't resist showing it's true colors

>>98663680
>>98663784
Where's the lie though

>>98663623
the way damage worked was changed a bit and we had dodge as a stat before revised, but soak itself stayed pretty much the same

>>98663619
Look bro, Paracuck made V5 for people like you. It flopped so hard that they're now rushing to make V6. Just accept you lost. The anti-superhero side like you got dragged to a corner, beaten, raped, and then turned into slaves. Just accept nobody wants to play your fanfiction shit man. Stop trying to force your myseryfetish on others. Is that too much to ask?

>>98663886
Stop trying to parasitise games that were never made for you and warp them into your own personal sadistic super hero power fantasies.

>>98663901
>parasitise games that were never made for you
Unlike you, I'm not a Paracuck employee!

Maybe there are more ways to play WoD than misery porn and capeshit?

Sure, but the paracuck intern literally gets angry if you don't want to play by his fetish.

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Ugh, what is this paracuckshit?

>>98663916
Not really? Kind of all economics boils down to fraud or gambling all WOD games can be boiled down to misery porn (dealing with mundane shit) or cape shit (using your powers).

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>Noooooooooo you need to cry and be a little cuck and-
>BLOW IT OWN YOUR ASS! BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG

>>98663916
That's far too reasonable a take for this thread, Anon.

>>98663916
This whole back-and-forth started because actually using the Humanity system and actually acknowledging that being a vampire is a bad thing is considered misery porn by /wodg/.

Alright I've finally thought up a cool idea for the vampire faction in my Hunter game, but I don't know how to go about picking clans and stuff like that. I'll give a description of what he's done and you guys can advise on what would be a good choice for him.
So this guy is a Tequesta Native American from back in the 1600's when the first Spanish missionaries made contact with the Tequesta in southern Florida. As the Spanish pushed his people out, he stayed. As time went on and the area became colonized, then industrialized, he helped grow the area into the bustling area it is today. In modern days, he owns hundreds of high-rise residential buildings through subsidiaries and has a private security firm run by a vampire who serves under him contracted to work in these buildings. His goal is to have control of the land as his people once did, even if they no longer are alive to live on that land. With him here, this land will always belong to the Tequesta.

>>98663964
There's perfectly human criminals that pimp out children and kill without remorse and they don't devolve into drooling feral retards. Does that mean vampires are more moral than humans, or does it mean the Humanity system is retarded and made by sheltered lefties? You be the judge, /tg/.

>>98663974
Perfectly human criminals don't have the original sin born of the first murder looking to dominate them and transform them into murderous monsters at the first sign of moral failure and weakness.

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>>98663964
Being a vampire is supposed to be about dealing with the unholy abomination bullshit but most people here are too autistic to realize how the characters can't just buy willpower, virtues and similar traits like they are putting dots on paper.

That's also because if you have a context you have a game and most people here don't care to share their game stories for whatever reason.

On paper you can have a character with anonymity 5, resources 5 and retainers 5 allowing them to exist in a vacuum but what kind of person can play that character on an actual game?

>>98663967
That's a very ventru sounding guy but I'm sure you could flavor him as any other clan like the Gangrel.

>>98663986
>>98663989
How can Tzimisce engage in torture porn and all the other heinous shit they do without going feral until their entire Clan is extinct? How can elders routinely engage in human trafficking and mass murder and all the other shit without going feral either? Face it, the Humanity system kills the entire gameline if you stop to think about it for even five seconds. No, author fiat is not good enough.

>>98663916
If you play Dark Ages, you can do both at once!

>>98663989
>On paper you can have a character with anonymity 5, resources 5 and retainers 5
Isn't that the bad guy from JoJo 5?

>>98662000
>upgrade one bloodline to a clan
Cappadocians
>downgrade one clan to a bloodline
G*ovanni

>>98663998
The Tzimisce were a later addition and by then they had the path system worked out. Hey if you want to be an ass you could use the sentient humanity 0 vamps.

>>98663996
>ventrue
That's the ones with the blood restriction, right? I had thought about doing like "only drinks blood of people born in America", since he's Native American, but I don't know if that ends up being much of a restriction at all...

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>>98663964
>y-you need to feel bad for being a vampire and r-remember your humanity!
>ayo nigga what'supp
>Y-your humanity is important!
>what shit is dis nigga talking yoo? getting goofy?
>PLEASE DON'T BEAT ME REMEMBER YOUR HUMANITY!!! AIIIEEEE!!!
>Ayoo boy you pussy is that your momma boy? i'm gonna fuck her
>d-don't rape m-my mother y-you need to be human... NO MY ARMS TOO!!!!
>why u no regenerating u not drinking the funny stuff? fucking bitch ass gonna rape your whole family to teach you a lesson nigga
>t-the horror of your actions.... persecute you...
>*sounds of women screaming and moaning in the distance*

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>>98664002
There's a fuckton of them, I'm sure that description does apply to half of them.

>>98664028
If writing raceplay cuckoldry on /wodg/ is what you gotta do to get your rocks off, go ahead, bossman.

>>98664041
The fact that I'm barely phased by that tells me I need to get out more.
Good night and let's hope the place I heard about is actually any good.

>>98663998
Early on, the Sabbat were basically just a sect of near-wights, plus I think saying that elders "routinely engage in mass murder" is a bit of an exaggeration.

>>98662044
anyone?

>>98664084
There's one but it sucks shit. You're better off just making your own chronicle.

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>>98664041
Part 2
>your bitches are hot sissy nigga
>how you dare... being a vampire is about feeling BAD about YOURSELF?
>no gonna lie tho feeling pretty good after filling da bitches up
>you ANIMAL!
>yo bro whats the deal
>you ABSOLUTE BEAST this is how you get your rocks off???
>nigga why you crying
>you DON'T deserve to be a VAMPIRE
>kay le me take a piss at you face if you gonna keep talking goozy shit
>NO WAIT I- *glurp glurp glurp glurp*

>>98664117
Keep going if that's your fetish, I'm not going to kinkshame.

>>98664128
>is dar your lil sister? how old is she? don't answer da don't care anyway and gonna fill her up now
>you fucking BLOODY bastard how LOW is your humanity now???
>*sounds of a little girl screaming and moaning with wet plapping*
>is this your FUCKING fetish???
>*the rape sounds continue*
>HA HA you can feel the horror of raping my family? I bet you do it!!!

>>98664150
Don't stop, I want to see how far you go.

If this is what vampfaggotry looks like, I will never complain about woofshit or mageshit again.

>>98664156
>DON'T STOP! Keep raping my family and you will lose!
>*raping sounds continue*

>>98664165
That all?

>>98664168
>dis pussy good sissy boy *cums inside his mom*
>IS THAT ALL???

>>98664175
I think you came, that's why you're not putting in nearly as much effort any more.

>>98664164
You can perfectly see the two specimens of vampfags interacting here though. On one side:
>The lunatic vampirefag that revels in the power fantasy and finds shit like killing, raping and murdering fun
On the other side:
>The vampirefag that think he is smart, pretends the game is about intellectual introspection and constantly bites the bait of the first
All vampfags come on these two flavors more or less.

>>98664196
What clans?

>>98663835
In the implication that salubri aren't evil

>>98664164
When will elfshit era arrive?

>>98664239
When more than three people actually play Changeling.

>>98663901
>that were never made for you
...Anon, 2e Vampire had rules for playing 3rd gen modern Antedeluvians. The game absolutely embraced campy vampion games as well as more serious stories in equal measure. "Personal Horror" was the warp vision imposed by the dark triad of brucado, achili, and travis williams. They're the reason "Revised" was started in the middle of 2e(reason it's called revised, it was originally supposed to be 2.5e instead of a separate edition), and forced the time of judgement plot way ahead of the original schedule. The only reason they had the ability to do this was whitewolf firing large chunks of core writers like Reign Hagen when said writers wanted a raise after working as core writers for half a decade.

TL;DR: You're larping on stolen land.

>>98664277
Since when was pandering to tourists considered a positive trait?

>>98664239
Never, (((He))) won

>>98661476
>because they lost to the evil vampires (setites) over and over again
Which is confusing given how busted Bardo is as a discipline. They have infinite humanity dots, can replenish blood more easily than other vampires, get anti-magic, get a -3 on ALL DISCIPLINE DIFFICULTY ROLLS(reminder that their other in-clans are Fominate and Potence), and prevent anyone in earshot from taking their turn On Top of that. They're basically built to bend setites over backwards, how the Fuck do they keep losing?

>>98664293
>tourists
Anon, Vampions have existed since 1e and were made a core part of it in 2e. Not knowing that makes You the tourist.

>>98660496
>What is the best way to utilize children in a WoD/CofD chronicle?
There's a trio of tweens running around in the chronical that I play in and, in addition to being fun to interact with from time to time, they're a nice reminder that there are things in the city worth fighting for. One's a lupin werewolf barely out of her first change, one's a wraith, and we're not sure about the other one.

There's also some kids living in an abandoned water park out in the wetlands on the edge of town who SEEM at least to be able to turn into minks. We're not sure what's up with them.

>>98664277
It's always funny to watch a mind's eye only ancillae get ass-blasted by a grognard methusela.

>>98664327
Would that make v5 newfags neonates and v6/htp tertiaries dirty thinbloods?

>>98664314
>how the Fuck do they keep losing?
Authorial fiat. The settites were being built up as a massive multi-splat threat and a major antagonist for 2e... before all 2e plotlines got unceremoniously cut mid-story by the three stooges forcably starting revised.

>>98664293
2e was made by the original creators, you're the tourist.

>>98664277
Based as fuck oldfag. But why would you try to educate a dirty V5 fag? They're literal LARPers. They don't care and never cared about the game to begin with. Watch as they change subject and repeat the same song and dance in a few posts or the next thread pretending this conversation never happened and emo shit "YOU'RE HAVING FUN WRONG" is the correct position.

>>98664314
They don't Embrace. Setites do. Do the math.

>>98660687
>Iirc some bloodlines actually originated in the sabbat as vaulderie embraces had a way of mixing the blood.
Somewhere the Eldest is laughing.

>>98664652
>>98660687
>vaulderie embraces
Disgusting.

>>98664096
Any advice? Because outside of ripping an episode from sailor moon or madoka I can't seem to come up with anything

>>98664688
Depends heavily on the overall tone of your chronicle

>>98662464
>Ok, let's simplify things, how powerful would a Camarilla regent be to the average lupine?
Consider that by the werewolves' own renown system an elder vampire is worth more than an entire pack of black spiral dancers.

The real answer to which splat is the current “in” topic for this general is whichever splat Alfbusa features in the latest HtP episode.

Because you all are a bunch of sheep.

>>98664724
Don't look at me, I wanna talk about Promethean and Demon but I never get the chance.

>>98664766
You can tell me what Promethean is like

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>>98664724
I don't need sentience to guess what paws typed this post

>>98664766
Frankensteinbro, is that you?

>>98664769
>>98664781
I'm deeply interested in what the Promethean Magnum Opus implies about the cosmology of CofD, for one.

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How big is too big in the WoD?

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>>98664893
If you have to ask...

>>98664507
>But why would you try to educate a dirty V5 fag? They're literal LARPers.
Arguing with an idiot isn't for changing the idiot's mind. They're an idiot, they'd never know they lost the argument in the first place. The purpose of arguing with idiots is for the benefit of the audience, showing that the confident answers they believe whole-heartedly are just bullshit from an idiot being confidently incorrect.

Ignoring idiots is how you get your community overrun with them. Idiots are like zombies. If you leave them alone, they'll turn all the newfags into idiots like themselves. Therefore it's the oldfag's job to argue with the idiots so newfags build an immunity to confidently incorrect bullshit instead of believing it and becoming another idiot.

TL;DR: This is how you do proper gatekeeping.

>>98664893
Depends on your group, and what the threshold for them turning into monkeys about it is. I once played a PC with large breasts, it wasn't really much of a topic of discussion during the chronicle itself.

>>98664972
Sensible and mercypilled.

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>>98664972
>Idiots are like zombies. If you leave them alone, they'll turn all the newfags into idiots like themselves.
Why does enlightenment only come After disaster? It would've been nice to know this before ttrpgs, videogames, anime, and imageboards were already overrun.

>>98664164
It's kind of funny how the big three are all neurotic in a different way

>>98664164
I don't think the greentext guy is actually a vampfag.

>>98664724
magefags won again??!?!?

>>98664766
I still think Promethean should be a line in oWoD. It was the most original and thematic of the CoD lines and could have fit right into oWoD with little changes. I wish it had been expanded upon more but we have Paradox to thank for cutting it all short.

If anything good comes from 6th (I know it won't) maybe they could go back and experiment with smaller lines like Promethean.

>>98665167
We just need cofd back honestly. Not this Frankensteined version of WOD that doesn’t get what people liked about either line

>>98665176
Unfortunately that’s not going to happen. Paradox very deliberately killed CofD, they could give Oynx Path the go ahead to start writing any of the many pitches they have made to Paradox on Monday if they wanted to. They want absolute control over the IP even if that means destroying it.

Say what you will about Oynx Path but they had a much better idea of what WoD-CoD could and should be. They had far more of a link to the original writers and vision of WoD. Sometimes I wish Oynx Path would just publish the parts they have left on the Storyteller Vault but I completely understand them not wanting to give 50% of their revenue to the company which has gone out of their way to screw them out of the setting they did the most to make.

Thats's another topic which needs addressing, Paradoxes approach to fan content. Looking at how companies like Chaosium or even Hasbro promote the creation and selling of fan content on platforms like drivthrurpg means that there is a lot of good quality 3rd party stuff produced for them. Much of it of equal quality or better than 1st party content. Compared to very little which come out for WoD. We should see far more than we currently do but again Paradox has no idea how to promote and engage the tabletop fans. CofD could be kept alive by the fans if they had better policies on fan content.

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>>98664893
Having Obfuscate is really handy in these sort of situations, that's all I can say.

>>98665217
Honestly most of the good fan games are cofd

>>98665227
I figure it's partially a result of the more modular approach the games take. Attracts a crowd that likes DIY and is a bit more mechanically conducive to it.

>>98663094
Every hunt with zero casualties and a dead monster is a good hunt. Look forward to your player's panic when someone hits full lethal for the first time and starts bleeding out.

>>98665217
Neither 20th anniversary nor CofD 2e was supposed to happen, but then they did. I think even if nuWod was doing great, eventually they would probably restart it as some kind of "Absolute DC" type thing. But since it's not doing great, hopefully they'll either sell or change course. I mean, they've been in the "we're gonna have a huge multimedia franchise soon" phase for 8 years now, at some point they'll have to give up.

>>98663076
No, I'm the guy who coined the term Wieckslop. Don't give other people credit for my shitpost, I'm very proud of that boredom induced screed.

But I'm not surprised you think it's all one person. One of Wieckslop's hallmarks is a persecution complex.
>Oh I'm just so special and perfect, if only those normgroid poo people weren't oppressing me, despite the fact I can kill a billion of them and they can never stop me. Waaaaah. They don't appreciate my chaos and freedom, that makes them ontologically evil!
That this describes at least three splats tells you all you need to know about Wieckslop.

>>98664724
Watch when Elise gets revealed to be a Sluagh, and Dreaming stocks go way up!!!

>>98665282
>Is butthurt over something posted hours ago
What a chode.

>>98665295
I still think she is getting Wraithed so maybe we will get some discussion on Wraith in the future.

>>98665312
Grimal is getting Wraithed

>>98665315
Sorry your right misread Elise as Grimal. Death to weebs and all that.

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>>98664955
Why are Lasombra women always so busty, anyway?

>>98664955
>>98665324
Lasombra women store Abyss in their boobs.

>>98661647
I can answer this.

Shamanism is about beckoning and cajoling spirits into doing things for you.

Voudoun is similar HOWEVER it is unique in that a main component of it is a very big focus on spiritual possession, taking the loa (spirits) into you so that they can feel what it is like to have a fleshy body, and in return while you let them "ride" you they may do nice things for you or allow you to be capable of more than you could be without them. Theres a video of a guy sitting in a fire for like 7 minutes straight on youtube as an example of a loa possessed individual.