Eh, close enough editionPrevious thread: >>98649303>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/Qiwij4PJ>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: How stupid do you think custodes who get killed by astartes feel?
>>98664570>TQNot as stupid as those custodes who got mind fucked into attacking the Emperor.
>>98664591I mean unironically yesThe guys who got killed fighting traitor SM died doing their jobsThe guys who got mind fucked died failing to do their one job
>TQ"KWAB"my favourite example is in The Outcast Dead when Uttam Luna Hesh Udar gets beated to death by a World Eaters diplomat.
>>98664639A world eater without his armour or weapons no less.
>>98664570That movie was the first time in Godzilla history where the franchise showed explicit nudity because in the background of one scene an erotic poster of a girl with her tits out slipped past the film crew and they didn't notice until the movie was already out. Also that poster is fucking amazing but it was straight up a fucking lie to try to sell the movie in America because Godzilla vs Megalon takes place entirely in Japan and all the fights happen in the rural mountains of top of that, no urban fighting whatsoever. Good movie, I recommend it
Reposting. Tell me your 3.0 homebrews.So far anons posted:>Area terrain visibility conditions (see through vs 3" LoS vs LoS-blocker)>Double gun = +1BS>Double melee = +1WS>Any generic character can take officer gear>Chaplains get Hatred first new combat>Knights hit on front armor>Debating using 1E's Deepstrike rules>Wants someone to do something about the Vehicle Damage Chart
>>98664570>How do you think custodes who get killed by astartes feel?Horny. Because they're female
>>98664689Fuck yeah, another Godzilla appreciator. I respect and appreciate you, Anon! o7
Jesus fucking christ looking up the weapons for custodes is so fucking cringe. Does anyone else have this problem?>Oh that's not an arachnus blaze carronade that's an arachnus STORM carronade, dipshit>You're not equipped with a ilastus accelorator fusil you have an ilastus accelerator CULVERIN you FUCKING RETARD>What's the matter you can't tell the difference because you're trying to compare four profiles and the gun looks like an upsized nerf blaster so there's no real visual cue, FAGGOT>Your unit profiles are scattered over eight pages too so enjoy flipping through your entire eight profile army list every time you for get the adjective, cunt.at least volkite has clearly upsized profiles with the age-of-sail names
>>98664758Godzilla vs Megalon was the one movie I was never, ever, able to find in a rental store. My dad's buddy let me watch the first half hour or so once when I was a squirt and they wanted me to fuck off for a spell, but it wasn't until like 2020 when I randomly found the entire movie on YouTube before the jews started curbing that sort of thing.The Showa movies do a fantastic thing (I always contributed it as a Japanese thing but I suppose I don't know for sure) where the main cast were random nobodies that just get roped into the plot by some bullshit and commit for the whole film. Godzilla vs Gigan is my favorite example: the cast is a failing newspaper comic artist, his librarian sister who knows karate, and two Woodstock hippies. Even when you have more traditional "urban adventure" archetypes like cops or journalists there's that little tweek that turns them into nobodies. Like in Ghidorah the cop is just a beat cop that got pressured into doing some OT, and the journalist is a lame magazine writer. The American movies are held back by characters that have to have the dramatic backstory and the tragic past that just isn't necessary and bogs down the film.Uh.../30kg/ how would you translate that into the BL character fest?
>>98664690I'm currently writing a pretty big one so...>Sire of the (X) gives actual army buffs beyond turn 1>D3 power fist>Rending instead of Shred on chain weapons>-1D Critical Hit (4+) on disintegrators>Some ICs let you deep strike an entire detachment in one go>Dreads and skimmers can always use Heavy (X)>Basically using 2.0 vehicle movement >being able to give up Duellist's Edge on charnabals for improved breaching and a unique gambitAnd a bunch of more specific shit I won't get into right now unless anyone wants to hear
>>98664712:)>>98664806I love this guy from Godzilla vs Gigan
>>98664837>A weapon to surpass metal gear
>>98664690It's just Titanicus.Actually I've been thinking of some custom scenarios to get behind the brain-dead-boring scoring for my friend and I. Since he doesn't have much anti-tank I'm gonna offer a "Destroy the Vehicle Depot" mission, or a VIP convoy rescue.
>>98664570>TQBetter than the ones that Coraxn used as bait for the maze and worse than the ones watching Corax do it and unable to stop him.
>>98664690>Knights hit on front armorHow this didn't get patched I'll never know. Knights also shouldn't get parried by human scale units either. Knights should be horrific in combat against infantry. How, I don't know. Maybe they can double attacks against infantry and hit on flat 4s.
>>98664911maybe they could stomp on the infantry
>>98664690Double melee/gun for dreads* get +1. I forgot to add that. Also>Flyers can stay on hover or zoomWhich is basically strike or strafe rules. But one is up to M or minimum M.
>>98664835>D3 power fist
>>98664911Not really?Infantry are stupidly small targets for a knight and hitting them should be difficult because a. it's blindingly obvious when the knight starts swingingb. infantry have plenty of time to get out of the way of a 1 ton chainsawc. the knight has to judge its swing and not get half of its chainsword stuck to the groundRats and other small animals can't parry human attacks, doesn't make it easy to hit one with a stick>>98664918I'm pretty sure there's a Reaction for that, though it's kind of difficult to use and I do agree that it should really just be a melee weapon or at least not have a Reaction cost
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>>98664959Well yes because Eternal Warrior shouldn't mean "I win no backsies" against everything in a Legion list smaller than SaturninesWould you like to propose a more interesting way of making power fists occasionally preferable over thunder hammers? While you're at it, I'll gladly hear some power sword ideas too.
>>98664743>at least volkite has clearly upsized profiles with the age-of-sail namesI hear you can actually distinguish a Culverin from a Saker from a Falconet? Nice.Eight pages? Yikes. It makes sense that, for weapons that are exclusive toa single unit, maybe those could appear in their datasheets also
>>98664690Kino red glows
Go to /tv/ pls
>>98664964You've never read their descriptions. Knights are not slow lumbering giants with comically long wind ups. You've watched too much Pacific rim. They are unnaturally fast and agile. Not to mention scale like that you don't need to worry about getting a reaper stuck in the ground; it will cleave through terrain without slowing though sheer force and mass.It's also like hitting a teddy bear sized target with a chainsaw, because marines are shin height. Surely you can swing a chainsaw the height your shin with no issue?
>>98664743Christ is written with a capital C, also repent custode troon.
>>98664705Debased animal. Coomers should be put into labour camps.
>>98664854This concept reminds me of the ambush and convoy missions from epic. As per my post in the last thread I'm genuinely shocked that the Garmon Cluster supplement for Ligma not only recreates pretty faithfully the Ambush and Planetary from Epic 40,000 (Epic 3rd edition) but a bunch of new missions with unique and fluffy objectives/setups. They could be from Fanatic magazine. I'm genuinely shocked, I thought if you showed this kind of creativity and focus on fun narrative play instead of boring tournament 3 evenly spaced objectives missions GW would fire you out of a cannon towards Doncaster
>TQThey probably didn't feel anything because they're even more mentally raped than marines were. >>98664689That's not true, some of the Odo island native in the original film were topless IIRC. Horus Heresy.
>>98665041*Planetary Assault It's kind of funny I was in the middle of homebrewing my own remake of it until I read the book and learned someone at GW is based.
>>98664835>>D3 power fistPlease reconsider. I was outraged at Fists being non-competitive yet again. "How can hammers be faster and weaker than fists? As if they were lighter!"So I just flipped the profiles: Power Fists is S7 i-2, Hammer is S8 i-3.The profiles suddenly make sense that way lmao, Fist being good vs TEQ, Hammer being soecialized overkill that you take for bigger more monstrous stuff.
>>98663669Argel Tal didn't really beat that custodes. He got shot by Xaphen like a complete retard and basic bolter beats custodes armor apparently. Argel then stabs him in the head while he's down.He went down like a chump but it really didn't show any martial prowess on his part.
>>98665279True but I'd rather believe other than the official nonsense peddled by BL. They are of similar stars after all, Gal Vorbak and Custodes, right?You get the power, it also dooms you.I am reminded of that Thousand Son that drew more and more warp power into himself and actually tore a path to Valdor. But then he saw his own reflection and realized he had fully turned into a monster, and all their detractors had been correct.
>>98664835>>-1D Critical Hit (4+) on disintegratorsWhy not just have them be AP2? Whoever you firing disintegrators at, either they had a 3+ save and it already doesn't matter, or they have an Invuln and can take it. Especially EW custodes>>Dreads and skimmers can always use Heavy (X)Please not Dreads. Infantry doesn't get to walk with stabilized heavy bolters, neither should Dreads, which move in a pretty similar way.I reckon skimmers will mean 24" S9 multi-meltas, but I guess that's what they're paying for?>>Basically using 2.0 vehicle movementI assume this means:True Stationary gets OrdnanceM < 0.5M" still counts all guns as HeavyM >= 0.5M" only ever counts a single gun as Heavy
>>98665374That was before they became GV, but later on they do kill 4 custodes with just a dozen GV so that's a pretty impressive ratio.
>>98664835>able to give up Duellist's Edge on charnabals for improved breaching and a unique gambitDepends on whether you'll keep charnabals as chainsword equivalents or as PW alternatives.As PW alternatives, Breaching X plus speed tweaks works well for Sabres, Tabars and Glaives.As chainsword equivalents, maybe they are fine. Fine as CCWs and chainswords go, that is x.x
>>98665413I think Custodes vs anything is lopsided enough that all legions can have their own fluffy (or funny) way of getting a kill.Unpossessed Word Bearers would probably rush them and get torn to pieces, but they would try disarming them by hugging their weapon as it impales them.Then a True Believer would charge with kraks in hand yelling "BY HIS WORD" and blow up on top of the Custode, tripping him.
>>98665425>all legions can have their own way of killing custodesAlpha Legion would go Home Alone on them and trigger a bunch of traps. Punji sticks pit, but the sticks are melta bombs
>>98665432>Melta bombs pit
>>98664977>propose a more interesting way of making power fists occasionally preferable over thunder hammers?Fists become S7 i-2, hammers become S8 i-3>But that's just swapping their stats Precisely. Hammers are fine being heavier, slower fists.
I was thinking about those Exemplary Battles units again this morning.If you were having a friendly game and "homemade" units were allowed, what would be the best way to balance them? Increased points cost?
>>98664977>While you're at it, I'll gladly hear some power sword ideas too.Considering we are allowed neither rerolls (no parry) nor bookkeeping (no WS modification), the only way to highlight Power Swords being balanced is +1A.I mean balanced not as in fairness, but as in the weight of the weapon being concentrated closer to the grip than axes, mauls and polearms do, whose weight lies mostly on the tip, lowering swing RPM.
>>98664835>>Rending instead of Shred on chain weaponsProblem: against T4 (the most common target), S4 Rending 6 and S5 are identical. So, just give them S+1?This keeps the "wounds better" theme they had in 2.0 - their old Shred wound rerolls was actually better than S+1: 0.75 vs 0.66.
>>98664835>>98665491Forgot the numbers lol
>>98665432>marv_scream.mp3
>>98664690one i really really wanna do : >defensive weapons can shoot at whatever the fuck they want with no consequences for battle weapons
>>98665466tigris bolters just look wrong on mk4
>>98665466Not going too crazy with it is a good start. Keeping it simple and straightforward, sidegrades instead of direct upgrades is also an option.
>>98665019>unnaturally fast and agileThe knight has WS4 I4. You don't think a building-sized robot is unnaturally fast and agile if it moves and fights like a space marine ? >>98665403>DisintsCrits don't improve your AP unless you also have Breaching.The main objective is reliable wounding (weren't they supposed to be monster killers?) and to make them base D1 so Vets don't instantly die to Overload.>Heavy (X)You do have a point on Dreads on reflection, they're already stupidly tough. I guess I'm channeling 1.0 too hard.>>98665457I'm not doing this for flavor, I'm doing this because the thunder hammer being faster makes it the dominant meta choice.I'm serious when I ask you this, have you voluntarily taken fists over hammers after 2.0 came out?>>98665416I want to push them back up to 10pts like power weapons, so yes, I'm treating them as power weapons. You cannot have a weapon that only works in a challenge in an edition where dual wielding for +1A isn't a thing anymore. The simpler solution would be just going back to Breaching (5+), but I thought there were more interesting ways of going about it.That reminds me, power axes really need a buff>>98665491I want them to also have some chance at wounding MCs/Dreads
>>98664959sallies already have those, not even in legacies, just a straight swap they can do
>>98665469sallies already have those too
>>98665618>I haven't understood the game: the post
>>98664835>>Dreads and skimmers can always use Heavy (X)Retarded. A dread or land speeder always get heavy but a vindicator doesent? Either you go back to "heavy is only a concern for infantry" or you leave it as is and let it be a concern for everyone.
>>98665654except kratos and super heavies :^-)
>>98665403>M >= 0.5M" only ever counts a single gun as HeavyWow, good thing leman russes and vindicators (and the like) only have a single gun they care about huh? I love flat Ap3 battle cannons in the marine game.
>>98665618>I'm doing this because the thunder hammer being faster makes it the dominant meta choice.Okay? Its the dedicated "for killing marines" weapon, worse at everything else than the power fist but better in that specific situation than it. D3 power fists would be retardedly OP, both breaking the custodes matchup (where they now get 1shot), invalidating character combat for lower tier characters (guess how many wounds a centurion has) and still not changing anything for what weapon you take on your terminators 99% of the time.Both power fists and thunder hammers already have their niche, hammers just have their niche be "combat vs people with power fists".
>>98665403>Why not just have them be AP2?Because VEQ killing weapons is an acceptable niche for a weapon system to have. The biggest current issue facing disints is that their low S means they suck at wounding, which makes them not actually that good even vs things they should be good against. They arent (and shouldnt be) the "kill everything ap2 guns", because thats not a weapons type you can have be common and accessible in this sort of game. Frankly critical hits is also probably a mistake. Simply keep their current stats and give them rending for some value of X, which accomplishes the same effect while not devaluing the special rule.
>>9866568325pts minimum to have your guys kill themselves as often as they kill a marine is way too much
>>98664967How does he reach that sword?
>>98665716Very carefully.
>>98665618>The simpler solution would be just going back to Breaching (5+), but I thought there were more interesting ways of going about it.True, but "simple" is this edition's key word (even though gimmicks exist lol).I do believe making charnabal weapons be breaching 5+ would be the way to make them exist outside only challenges. All get Breaching 5+, then they differentiate from one another by details:Sabre gets i+1, Tabar gets S+1 & Duellists Edge instead (so it's the slow one), Glaive gets i+1 plus Duellists Edge and S+2 but -1A. Or D2 but -1A.You know, like chainfists, which are deadlier fists balanced by being more cumbersome. That's the precedent. And it requires no gimmick, so it works outside of duels (and stacks with proper gimmicks).I do request Charnabal Tabars to be AP4 where the others are AP5 though. This is entirely a Legend of the Galactic Heroes thing.It'll matter for Veletarii, currently the only sarge with access to a Tabar
>>98665618>weren't [Disintegrators] supposed to be monster killersI can't recall any monster that was vulnerable to instant death - both dreads and cortex automata were hardened against it.2.0 Disintegrators seemed like an anti-heavy infantry weapon to me. Essentially a plasma weapon that doubled down on antiVEQ/TEQ: less Str that made it harmless against vehicles like plasma could incidentally be, but unconditional AP2.
>>98665618>I'm doing this because the thunder hammer being faster makes it the dominant meta choiceAll I can offer you is to turn Fists (which are more common and available to all sarges) into the meta choice. As I said, I don't have issue with Hammers being relegated as a specialist weapon...which is what I hear they used to be. Remember they used to be essentially Concussive Fists in 1.0 where nothing a hammer hit would survive to suffer concusive in the first place.>I'm serious when I ask you this, have you voluntarily taken fists over hammers after 2.0 came out?If my local meta used T6-T7 critters like Dreads and especially Automata, which just became immune to Krak, yes I would.I wonder if S8 i-3 can counter Saturnines. I think they are the new Contemptors: it's folly to even think of meleeing them - the ring is theirs.
>>98665662Anon, it's a 3" blast that costs 140 pts and crawls at 5"/turn. You can survive it.Don't tell me you play on Planet Parking Lot.
>>98665683>They arent (and shouldnt be) the "kill everything ap2 guns",With S5, they won't be
Hey HHohols come get your idiot
>>98665818Eldars don't matter in 30k and if they did in the almost 15 years of this game they would have gotten rules.
>>98665818we don't claim him, you keep him
>>98665818Get droned, pidor. This general is for consensual male on male action, not your subhuman ork rape behaviour.
>>98665847Ork rape mwahaha
>>98665892Love me some Luna Wolves.
>>98664743>volkite has clearly upsized profiles with the age-of-sail namesit doesn't have either of those things, most of the volkite terms are about the same size gun from different eras or culturesthey're not ship's guns either you tard
Love big fucking "You-die" guns
>>98665994Adrathic weapons really are kino. Wish GW didn't drag their ass so much.
>>98666000It's curious that GW respected the original designs of Custodes walkers and vehicles, but fucked up their infantry with such ugly and badly designed minis.Same with nuMarines, though
>>98666029I remain firm in my opinion that there's this urge in the design time to "leave their mark" on the miniatures by changing them, even if it means contradicting decades of preexisting artwork.
>>98665994>>98666000I want to stick one of those guns on my Saturnine.A Traitor one, just to fuck with people.
>>98665994>>98666000On one hand I'm glad this box instantly sold out because I don't actually need this army, on the other I'm kind of miffed.Meh I'll wait for the inevitable combat force.
4chan thinks I'm spamming when I reply to too many people apparently>power swordActually an interesting idea. How would it be balanced against lightning claw though?>Power fistsGuess I have to rethink that>DisintsThe idea is to make the disintegrator base D1 (so it won't 1-shot Vets on Overload) while using crits to a. give it D2 back b. wound reliably>>98665654Anon has already talked about other vehicles, but yes I think letting the 140pt vehicle move 10" and fire a S12 D6 weapon is a bad idea, how could you tell?>>98665662The vindicator already does that, and are you really worried about the battle cannon in a world where the executioner exists?>charnabalsThe problem with giving them Breaching (5+) is that it would make power axes redundant. Unless you'd like to make a suggestion for power axes?
>>98666041I bought two just to cover my bases, want one?
>>98666029i disagree on the custodes design. they are meant to be ceremonial guard and their miniature convey that
>>98666036That's the most probable reason, creative types generally seem to have a strong desire to make something they will be remembered for.
>>98666051she cute
Getting an IG account was the best move I made this year. Fake goth girls with massive tits and ass, and kino miniature conversions.
>>98666029I actually like the new custodes infantry more. Look closer to the iconic artwork, whilst the old plastic custodes models are basically space marines but bigger.
>>98666051I like both the old and the new, and didn't see why it had some people so upset.It's kinda corny but I want to stick two Venatari pistol arms on a standing Custodian and make like a gunslinger.
>>98666055sex doesn't exist in warhammer thanks to collective UK victorian trauma but if warhammer was made by the french the emperor would definitively fuck his bodyguard
>>98666064Pussy from a Femstodes would fix me desuI love big, muscular women that stink of sweat and estrogen.
>>98666063it change people's habits and internet exacerbate that. the shit flying here would not stand 2mn in a social setting. i welcome that change because custodes aren't bigger space marines at all and this showcase that
>>98666063They really fucked up those designs so badly
>>98666093???
>>98666097compare the jetpacks, my negro
>>98666093you're just mad about the paint
>>98666102I'm not Spanish black paint.
>>98666106They're two completely different designs
>>98666093I don't hate the new jump pack (they're not as bad in person) but the slimmer air intakes is kino indeed. The thinner wings are better, though.
>>98666051>they are meant to be ceremonial guardno, they don't. They're bodyguards and warriors capable of being fielded as an army. As they did in 30k. They're not supossed to be just standing around like in 40kThe ONLY good thing about their new minis is that they finally gave them cloaks.Everything else is a downgrade: Huge cartoon weapons, spears without triggers, static poses, feminized bodies, pencil neck girly faces... the list goes on. If i was a custodesfag, I would be buyng the old minis by the truckload before they dissapear.
>>98666140It sounds more like you're a GW employee trying to get us to buy up all the old stock to make room for the new stuff IMO
>>98666093I never liked these designs, the air intakes are way too small to be believable.
>>98666144If I was a GW employee would I tell you to never buy the new models and get only recasts of the OOP ones?
>>98666175Sure
>>98666140>They're bodyguards and warriors capable of being fielded as an army.the so famed 10 000 would crumble to a single legion. they failed in the webway, they failed on terra, they failed on the vengeful spirit. where's the lore blurb about them and them alone winning anything ?
>>98665774Its a 3" ap3 blast that moves at 10", or in other words "faster than infantry".
>>98666196Dude if you got stuck in a room with ten thousand bears, do you think you'd be alright?
>>98665926He means the post-medieval names where Culverin, Falconet and Saker come from. Before Griveaubal in France, or before calling things by weight (4-punder, 8 pounder) in England.
>>98666042>The vindicator already does thatThe vindicator has various disadvantages over the leman russ. Like a shorter range, lack of Av14 and a centerline mounted weapon. >The idea is to make the disintegrator base D1 (so it won't 1-shot Vets on Overload) while using crits toNo. Disints are high risk high reward. They SHOULD oneshot their users on overload, that is the whole point. If youre worried about them wounding reliably (the only valid concern) then give them rending 5+ like adrathic weapons.
>>98666140>Everything else is a downgradelets go over that>Huge cartoon weaponsyou ever look at their sword in burning of prospero ? are you blind ? >spears without triggersin a universe where space travel meet knifefight you're surprised by weapons who don't have a very obvious trigger ? on the guard of the guy who hoard all technology ?>static posescustodian what again ? guard ? sentinel ? >feminized bodies, pencil neck girly facesthey ain't space marines is what you're complaining about
>>98666204what if i'm the sun smartassffs
>>98666140>spears without triggersThis is a massive improvement, sorry. The triggers are cool in still art, until you try and think about how the weapon would actually be used for one second and realize theyre retarded and cant work. The scifi bulshittium neural links or gene triggers or whatever might be less visually satisfying for a simply aesthetic piece, but they make a lot more sense.
>>98666042>but yes I think letting the 140pt vehicle move 10" and fire a S12 D6 weapon is a bad ideaI think letting the 40pts jetbike deep strike in with S9 D6 is a bad idea. Or the 60pts speeder with two of those. The only possible argument against heavy for those units is purely from the "feelies"/"lore" perspective, where anon is big sad his unit doesent get to feel special/thinks those weapons platforms should get to ignore the rules because clearly theyre not infantry and therefore better suited to handling weapons like that. Both of those arguments apply equally if not more so to vehicles, like the vindicator. And yes, the moving S12 D6 gun IS stupid. That is the point, anon has a retarded idea.
>>98666204Nah I'd win
to think imperialis would be such a gem above 30k if not for the non existent activation cap
>>98666230Sir, you're talking about a fucking bolter on a stick. The entire concept was retarded from the start.
>>98666284since it's already retarded; what difference does it make to have a fucking visible trigger handle ?none
>>98666295It looks better.
>>98666196Custodes fough for 3 years in the webway against inhexaustible hordes of daemons.A small detachment of them was also instrumental in the defeat of the TS at Prospero.They were not failures, they were just handled impossible tasks and odds.>>98666217The new minis weapons are retardedly huge, period. Their proportions are just wrong, just like the new marine melee weapons. It's a moronic design that may belong in AoS or WoW, but not with the more grounded aesthetic of this setting>>98666230Neural links to fire the spears doesn't mean that they shouln't have also phisical triggers. It doesn't make sense, it makes the weapons look unbalanced, and it breaks their established design. But of course the real reason behind removing the triggers has nothing to do with a proper design process. It's the same reason that they gave them girlie faces with delicate necks to a bunch of genetically loyal supersoldiers and bodyguard muscle freaks with no free agency of their own
>>98666299It doesn't. It's like a flintlock on an AR-15, backwards technology that has no place or purpose.
>>98666345>It's like a flintlock on an AR-15It's a holy silver bullet for witches when regular ammunition won't suffice.Heretic.
>>98666309Oh so futuristic weapons that don't need a physical trigger are "woke" now?
>>98666345>>98666351AR-15s still have triggers. Almost all "futuristic weapons" in sci fi and 40k have triggers. Or mechanisms with buttons to do the same. It's a classic visual cue.Either the designer is retarded (very possible after seeing all the other minis clearly designed by the same guy), or the only reason to remove them on purpose was a low key IRL political reference.Do not play innocent.
>>98666364Where is the trigger for the gun on the Talon of Horus? Oh no, he has been made "woke" from the very start as well! The horror!
>>98666140>Huge cartoon weapons
>>98666036Meanwhile SA and Mechanicum seemingly have way less of that.
>>98665618>WS4 I4Which is super human speed, if it matches marines. A building moves faster in combat than a typical human. Again, you haven't read anything about knights and are making really poor generalizations contrary to general knowledge and it weakens the rest of your post.If they were like how you described they would have never survived to even fight in the heresy.
>>98666381I know for Mechanicum the guy working on them is an autistic gay dude who used to iron hands homebrew and insane custom sculpts for them on the B&C.
>>98666056>Conversion beamer sniper dreadOf course it's AL lmao. Amazing. I gave my AL one dual beamers myself.
>>98666379All these weapons are better proportioned than the nuStodes abominations. They're still a bit oversized compared to the minis, but they're more consistent thanks to their hafts being more detailed and with triggers.
I'd like to paint models but I just spend all my days drunk to cope with the pain instead.Anyone have any experience in drunk painting?
>>98666309>It doesn't make senseThe physical trigger doesent make sense. There is no way to hold the spear, especially how custodes are usually depicted as holding the spears, where that mechanism works. The neural link, or whatever scifi mechanism they choose to justify it as, is the only way for the weapon to actually work. >. It's the same reason that they gave them girlie faces with delicate necks to a bunch of genetically loyal supersoldiers and bodyguard muscle freaks with no free agency of their ownWait are you the schizo who thinks theyre now wearing wedding dresses?
>>98666446I dont get drunk. Im either perfectly fine or have managed to drink so much my stomach fails me, I puke, and then go to sleep.
>>98666500based and aussie pilled
>>98666488> There is no way to hold the spear, especially how custodes are usually depicted as holding the spears, where that mechanism worksWrong. Why do you lie about stuff everyone can look at with their own eyes? Are you russian? Or the dismorphia makes you see things that do not exist?Why are you so dedicated to defending those ugly and nonsensical design changes? Hmm?And the new cloaks do look like curtains or a wedding dress, not the cloak of a warrior. It's trannie girlie shit that doesn't belong, just like pencil neck pretty faces in muscle freak bodies.
>>98666534>WrongGo on, show a depiction of the trigger mechanisms looking good in action. You will notice that none of the models ever held the spears by them for a reason, let alone "held the spear AND in a way that makes it viable to be used as a gun".
>>98666542You never owned or were insterested in custodes before they were trannified, do you?
>>98666553>picture of a model not using the spear as a gunThanks for proving the point. The mechanism is nonsensical.
>>98666557>outright lies about an image that clearly shows a custodian with his hand on the trigger, ready to strike or firetake your anti-dismorphia pills, trannie
>>98666553trigger shit aside I do appreciate how all of the spear shaft is usable now.
>>98666566I too, fire my gun in a totally un-readied position where its pointing vaguely up at the ceiling to my left.
>>98666569Exaclty>>98666574The old Custodian is moving while ready to fire. You're just lying because you're a trannie that feels obligated to defend the new tranny custodes. Even those elements that are shit without having nothing to do with being "women"
>>98666582>while ready to fireYea man, just look at how the weapon is held loosely aimed at nothing, because the pose required to aim it would look silly. The best part is that the mechanism also makes it worthless for melee combat, truly the best of both worlds. A gun-spear that cant be aimed as a gun and cant be used as a spear.
how much would this joint removal affect LOS in chadanicus and ligma? and are knights still broken in titanicus? I member people complaining 3 years ago.
>>98666569Yeah the old spears are completely non-functional as melee weapons with that retarded haft design.
>>98666586>>98666591>now he pretends to care about "realism"you don't pass
>>98664689Post that scene you coward
>>98666588>how much would this joint removal affect LOS in chadanicus and ligma?It wouldn't. Why would it?
>>98666588Hold up, removing those extra joints is all it takes to fix the asterius' goofy look? It really is that easy?
>>98665075I think the I penalty for fists represents the greatly reduced reach, if anything.
>>98665075Agreed, it's like the profiles of TH and PFs were swapped. It makes more sense like you say.It's stupid that fists are slower than hammers
>>98666619based
>>98666651I think thunder hammers and power fists should have the same profile (-3 initiative +4 strength AP 2 dmg 2) but thunder hammers should have critical hits and be 10 points more expensive.
>>98666629arms/guns are higher after a joint removal>>98666638yeah. the extra hinge joint is why it looks silly (retarded) compared to porphyrion.
>>98666607this is getting really funny, trannies this and trannies that. have you checked for trannies beneath your bed ? in your cupboard ? surely trannies are why you lack sugar in your pantry
>>98666588>affect LOSAre we just being retarded on purpose today
>>98666778>on purposeyou sound like I know how it works in epic scale
>>98666381That's wrong, nu-SA infantry looks complete dogshit when compared to their resin versions.
>>98666381>>98666804Feels good to be a Mechanicum chad. I was actually comparing their plastics and resins recently and realized with a shock the plastic are legitimately even better in many cases, it's just GW's lame studio paintjob that's much worse compared to the old Forge World painters.
>>98666812Nu-thralls look like ass too.
>>98666824Yeah that's like the only kit though.
>>98666812I like the resin krios pilot though but overall i agree
>>98666827As in that's the only one that's changed in a worse way? Yeah. As in that's the only kit they've had, no.
>>98666853>As in that's the only one that's changed in a worse way? YeahYes obviously that's what I meant
>>98666824Different strokes for different folks, the old kit was better for the 1.0 rules when they were closer to tech guard/partially servitorized solar auxilia, not the lobotomized tech zombies, complete with resurrection mechanics, they are now. I do have a set of the 20 old ones as the combat veterans among my 80 total tech guard thralls of which I have painted precisely 0 despite ordering 9 field ordnance artillery to convert ;_;
>>98666824Disagree, I think they have much more character to them. They actually look like the lobotomised cannon fodder they are.
>>98666896Nah I think the old one is just straight up better, sorry.
>>98666896>not the lobotomized tech zombies, complete with resurrection mechanicsThat's one of the option's fluff in 1.0 but without in-game resurrections unless you count the lachrimallus magos' ability to put destroyed squads back into reserves.>spoilerOuch. If it makes you feel any better I still have some stuff that's awaiting assembling/paint since Calth.
>>98666197I'm not saying Heavy (X) at cruising speed is a non-negotiable for my homebrew, but you're really worried about the battle cannon in a game where the executioner exists?Like dude Auxilia already have a Cohort Doctrine that lets their Russes move 4" and get Heavy/Ordnance>>98666212>VindicatorYou literally said >Wow, good thing leman russes and vindicators (and the like) only have a single gun they care about huh? Was I supposed to not talk about the vindicator?>DisintegratorThey didn't 1-shot their users on Gets Hot last edition because ID didn't carry over to Gets Hot so no, it's not the whole point of disintegrators.But anyway, let's shoot some Veterans, shall we?>10 Veteran Tacs shooting MEQs>Disint rifles get 8.33 hits and 1.66 Overload, thus 4.16 AP3 D2 wounds on enemy and 0.88 AP3 wounds on own unit>Combi-bolters get 33.3 hits, thus 16.6 AP5 wounds on enemy, thus 5.5 unsaved woundsGood news: the Disintegrator rifle is better than combi-bolters at its one job of killing 2W MEQ! Bad news: It does literally everything else worse, at shorter range, and kills your own Vets. Yay?How about Terminators?>Disint blasters get 8.33 hits and 1.66 Overload, thus 4.16 AP2 D2 wounds on enemy and 0.88 AP2 wounds on own unit, thus 2.08 dead Terminators and 0.88 dead VetsYou had a 2.5 KDA in your own shooting phase! Hooray!Where's the high reward again?>>98666245>Jetbike/speederBecause 450pts of melta jetbikes/speeders doing exactly the same damage as 230pts of TSS in a 100pt Drop Pod is desirable behaviour?>feelies/loreI take it you didn't play 1.0 or 2.0?
>>98666446Addicts are the worst man, so selfish. Fix your shit.
>>98666935>Like dude Auxilia already have a Cohort Doctrine that lets their Russes move 4" and get Heavy/OrdnanceYea, they already use a cohort doctrine for a tiny fraction of what youre proposing.
>>98666553You got em good. Fuck the troonstodes.
>>98666935>Because 450pts of melta jetbikes/speeders doing exactly the same damage as 230pts of TSS in a 100pt Drop Pod is desirable behaviour?Yes you moron, because those jetbikes carry longer range weapons and have a 16" movement (and are tougher than the TSS). TSS in a drop pod SHOULD be the most cost effective way of dropping in melta to shoot someone, because that is the whole point. A unit whos entire job is "cheap way to get special weapons" and a unit whos entire job is "cheap way to DS". A suicidal package at that.
>>98666753>defends trannie custodes model made to pander to trannies>why I'm being called a trannie?These models are now tainted forever. They'll be always a tell of who's in this hobby to push an agenda over a genuine dissagreement or artistic integrity.
>>98666935>I take it you didn't play 1.0 or 2.0?Vehicles were broken in 1e and unplayable in 2e. They dont work as comparisons because neither system worked well.
>>98666056Goth girls no longer exist sadly.
>>98666051Troonstodes are bad and the lore retcon is bad too.
>>98666951So true.
>>98666942>battle cannon>48" S8 AP3 Pinning (1) 3" blast>maximal fire executioner>36" S8 Breaching (4+) Overload (1) 5" blastI really don't understand why you're so worried about the damn battle cannon when there's already an alternative that's literally twice as good at killing marines
>>98666951waaa waaa waaa face it buddy you're the only person in the room who think it's trannieshave you been fucked by one ? did you fuck one ? was your crush one ?therapy, try it
>>98666987Nta but it is trannies.
>>98666985Well lets see, ones longer range, cheaper and comes with a status effect. Almost like theres a reason its not flat AP3 currently or something.
>>98666991nta my ass, there's one very lonely person here who bring trannies into everything
>>98666997>everyone I don't like is a single person that's obsessed by trannies and is very lonely and dislikes me for no apparent reasonmeds, now
>>98667001oooh but ain't you eager to reply son. and a straight boy at that i'm sure
>>98667009>everyone I don't like is a single person that's obsessed by trannies and is very lonely and dislikes me for no apparent reason AND is gay
>>98666987I have no interest in such activities. Actually, I had no real opinion about trannies until I saw the campaign to push the tranny Custodes.They're a retarded and ugly retcon that has achieved nothing in terms of making more actual women like them. In fact, now they're tainted by association.But you know what has changed? That if I'm ever asked or in a position to decide over the fate of a trannie at work, or in my life, I'll always chose the option to keep them as far as possible from me. I don't want anything to do with potential drama queens and neurotic liars. Congratulations.
>>98667017like i said, trauma.work on it
>>98666987It is troons and commies.
>>98667014>>98667022how many time's the charm on bans ?
>>98667028Are you announcing a report, anon?
>>98667034are you ?
>>98667017>Actually, I had no real opinion about trannies until I saw the campaign to push the tranny Custodes.yeaaaah sure you didn't. and you never posted about sister of battle faces, no sir, never shitposted about.
>>98667035Am I the one that mentioned bans? Which I haven't received in years as I have done nothing but abide by the rules?
>>98667045t. ban evades by posting on his phone with a different connection
>>98667069I never gave anyone reasons to ban me, unlike someone else that rather stupidly can't even abide by the "do not announce a report" rule. And unlike you I am not hammering the report button because I don't believe in silencing others that disagree with my opinions.
>>98667089Calm down, I was making a joke. You're acting very flustered about something as inconsequential as a 4chan ban.
>>98667089yeah hammering the button as we speak, hammering it so hard i believe one mod angel will deliver us, hammering it like moot's behind every blowi don't give a fuck, you'll stay in your pile of shit no matter what at the end of day
Stop shitposting about trannies, get back to HH discussion
>>98666588The knight asterius is very potent. My buddy's has fucked up warhounds to warlords without much grief and it's hard to kill.All knight lists are still capable. It was the spamming of acastus knights that was the most broken thing which isn't as easy anymore, but individually they're still good.
>>98667122Imagine a world without troonstodes retcon, so much better.
>No plastic sabres>No plastic fire raptor>No plastic dreadclaw>No plastic outriders>No plastic speeders>No plastic javelins>No plastic storm eagle>No plastic arquitor>No plastic xiphonOn the one hand it sucks, on the other hand I appreciate GW giving me plenty of time to work on my backlog.
>>98667122I wish FW still did the battlefleet adjacent stuff they did in the first books because I would be neat to know how I am supposed to arm the Red Talon. Hangars are obvious but past that it gets weird.
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>>98667201>3 years since images of SA Baneblades and Shadowswords>yet not even an official "they're totally coming, guys"
>>98666063The jetpacks got raped so bad
Are there nicer scans of the 1.0 red books floating out there? My copy of the Mechanicum Taghmata one is a bit rough and missing pages.
Would someone share the liber custodes?
New Squats just dropped
>>98667856Maybe
Everyone should have like 60/80 basic power armor bodies.
>>98668027I still have old 100+ mkIV and 80+ mkIII still on sprues waiting for me to decide what to do with them.
>>98668027you tell me
>>98668156Too many land raiders, but very nice collection.
>>98664690I wrote this los homebrew and never got to try it bc the local scene died
>>98668229always a staple of blood angels
>>98668399Maybe. But theyre ugly.
More titan posting. Warlord and Warbringer done. I have two Reavers and two Warhounds next. Really loved painting these.Think I might get some martian like red pigment powder for the bases. Thoughts?
>>98668156based>>98668420not based
>>98664570should i use the mk2 centurion or converted fafnir as a basis for my artificer warsmith?
>>98668530Defile and desecrate that ugly IF mini, anon
>>9866802780 troops across tacticals/despoilers/breachers/assault/inductii is just the minimum for a real army, anything else is just flavor of the month meta jumpers.
>>98668027>Only 60/80
>>98668632Too many land raiders, but very nice collection.
>>98668027Including unbuilt (but will be built) things I have:30 tacticals10 assault marines20 despoilers10 tactical vets20 inductii10 breacher vets10 terror squad10 recons20 seekersAll in all feels like a solid power armor force.
>>98666042>4chan thinks I'm spamming when I reply to too many people apparentlyIt's easier to reply multiple times to multiple different ideas instead of compiling everything into a single comment. Easier to read and to follow.>The idea is to make the disintegrator not 1-shot Vets on OverloadThere's a reason why Disintegrators used to be Destroyer issue - they are inherently risky. But nowadays it's a self hit. It's not much, but at least it still has to wound.>and wound reliablyS5. It worked okay back then when it was S5 AP2 Rapid Fire (2 shots close).It won't work as well this time because the targets just increased their Toughness (T5 Cataphractii, T6 Saturnine) or got EW (Custodes). But they are paying extra to not die, so, I'll allow it?S4 on disintegrators, now that's insufficient. Same with AP3. The only profile that ever threatens is Veterans themselves.A separate issue, I think Disintegrator availability is a mistake to begin with - Destroyers should have the access Veterans do and vice versa.But that's a separate thing.
>>98668643Infiltrating land raiders was too funny to miss out on. And using a spartan to transport laser-destroyer rapiers is still very entertaining.
>>98668737Both of those sound funny. But I still hate how land raiders look and therefore am going to impotently bitch about them.
>>98667045>>98667069>>98667089Buncha slack jawed faggots> MODS MODS HE IS ANNOYNCING A REPORT MODS MODSFucking FAGGOTS
>>98666042>How would it be balanced against lightning claw though?The same way they are now: Lightning Claws are Power Swords with Rending 6 on top of their Breaching.If I gave power swords A+1, then I'd ought to give claws A+1.If you have a pair of lightning claws, you'd have A+2.Paired lightning claws currently ARE A+2, meaning the precedent is right there.>The problem with giving [Charnabals] Breaching (5+) is that it would make power axes redundant. Unless you'd like to make a suggestion for power axes?Yes. AP2. Restricting their Breaching helps only T5 2+ save targets – Terminators almost specifically (but also Custodes).Breaching 5+ Charnabals would bounce off marine's power armour on a 4 to wound, where an axe currently goes through on a 3 to wound up.If you want to give axes more utility, give them unconditional AP2: it hurts ONLY Terminators and Custodes
>>98666588Knights generally aren't broken anymore. That knight in your pic is still broken if you bring more than one. Any Acastus chassis is basically asking to be called a faggot
>>98668229> Too many land raidersFound the faggot
>>98668792Theyre ugly and only faggots use them.
>>98666197>It's AP3 that moves at 10"I worry >And it's a single 3" blast that costs 140 ptsI unworry. You should try getting into cover one of these days.Have your minis touch [Area Terrain: Tall Grass].
>>98668737>Infiltrating land raiders was too funny to miss out onIt really was funny, I can't believe they let us do that. It's the only reason I can forgive the Death of Dedicated Transports for.All were punished because we were doing our best Hannibal impression.>Pictured: I don't think you can outflank something that big
>>98668229>Too many land raidersI would say "like your whore mother who had too many abortions" but she should have had one more.
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>>98669326Sorry, I don't know where that came from... I don't even use Land Raiders I'm a Mechanicum guy
>>98668452Gorgeous.Yellow titans on red bases might not work so well, I think.
>>98669411Thank you. I partially want to tie them in with my infantry which will have martian ish bases. They need something more at least. I could do dusty pale.
>>98668658So... How much is painted> Including unbuiltSo... Just a box.Kill yourself
>>98665897>>98665892Get your ass kicked so hard that you start using white and black checker to remember who are the superior warriors
>>98668027Tf would I do with 60 centurions?
>>98669692Thought you'd already have at least 60 centurions by now
>>98669513>So... How much is painted30 tacticals10 recons10 seekers10 terror squad10 tactical vets10 breacher vets>primed10 seekers>built but grey10 despoilers10 assault marines>unbuilt/todo20 inductii10 despoilers
>>9866974433. Specifically built, at least. If I promote some of my cooler veterans I could get to 40.
>>98668023Sleep tight sugar plum.
>>98668027How many MEQ models would be considered 'normal' to own for a 30k player to begin with? I'd assume that 40 would be a baseline for some combination of Tacticals/Despoilers, even if you won't use them all in a single list, and then you got all the specialists which absolutely beefens the number up. Veterans, retinues, heavy weapons, other line units, and so on, that makes me think that number is at least 100 in due time.
Is this head a George Floyd homage?
Wait do people think the old custodes were actually grounded? What the fuck. I prefer the older ones because they’re cartoony, the new ones are the ones that are true scale adherent.
>>98670385Yes :^)
Fuck I think im dying, but at least I met my build quota for the night....Ave Dominus Nox!
>>98670534>missed the right mosts barrel drillingGOD FUCKING DAMN IT
>>98670432Anon there are people that insist old and nu marks are completely identical in height and that the old models had better proportions. Hell, most of this general doesn't even understand why the heads and hands are smaller, despite oversized heads and hands being the hallmarks of heroic scale
>>98670539Cortical homunculus ahh scale
>>98670610The type of sleep paralysis daemon that haunts me when I fall asleep while posting on /hhg/.
>>98670665>implying the sleep demon of hhg isn't Samus >he doesn't paralyze you or anything he just wakes you up with his stupid monologue >he dies when you throw a pillow at him but you're awake now and can't go back to sleep
>>98670665No phone two hours before bed, sweetie
Siege Breakers, Forge Lords, Praevians, Armistoses, Numerologists and Techmarines should be able to take the Osirean cult arcana.Change my mind
>>98670854I don't know what kind of dreadnought sorcery is Osirean. Change it yourself, witchy boi :^)
>>98664690>Shattered Legions don't need to use their prime benefit to take legion specific Command/Troops options>Command because you get relatively limited slots and it's fluffy to have unique legion ones leading a Shattered Legiones element and because the prime benefit doesn't work on the command slot that takes it anyway>Troops because all this allows is Inductii and shit like Grey Slayers/Terror Squads that are explicitly a staple unit of their legion anyway>Also Disintegrator Rifles should be AP2 D1 instead of AP3 D2 so they can actually do their job without killing more of their own unit than the target>>98670854On one hand I agree because the fluff blurb literally calls out Techmarines as being the main element of that sub-cult, on the other hand being able to attach a Techmarine to ANY plasma TSS or disintegrator VTS and immediately ignore Overload might be slightly OP>>98670867It lets them either reduce Overload by 1 when shooting or heal a single wound in their unit.
is the new scale really incompatible with the old one? How bad is the head size difference etc? Are weapons swapable?
>>98670895>>Also Disintegrator Rifles should be AP2 D1 instead of AP3 D2 so they can actually do their job without killing more of their own unit than the targetLet them be S5 AP2 D2.Reasons for S5 are that Disintegrators have always been S5, and Terminators became T5.Reasons for D2 is that many instances of Instant Death and Murderous Strike became D2 or Critical (aka D+1).
>>98670895>being able to attach a Techmarine to ANY plasma TSS or disintegrator VTS and immediately ignore Overload might be slightly OPEcks DeeThen again, paying like 60 pts to ignore Overload on an AP4 gun. Eh, they already had very good odds.If players want to pay +33% as insurance, I'd let them.
>>98671013>Let them be S5 AP2 D2BasedMy main point of flipping the AP and D was currently you lose 20%-180% of the Vet squad when firing as you do the target (which comes out to losing 16.67 points of Vets to kill 41.67 points of basic Marines, 83.33 points of Vets or 13.89 points of Termies)>10x1/6x1/2=0.83 dead from Overload>10x5/6x1/2=4.17 dead MEQs/VEQS>10x5/6x1/3x1/6=0.46 dead TEQsInstead with my flip you go to losing 10%-60% of the Vets vs the target (coming out to 8.33 points of Vets for 41.67 points of basic Marines and Vets or 20.83-27.78 points of Termies)>10x1/6x1/2x1/2=0.42 dead from Overload>10x5/6x1/2=4.17 dead MEQs>10x5/6x1/2x1/2=2.08 dead VEQs>10x5/6x1/3x2/3x1/2=0.93 dead Tartaros>10x5/6x1/3x1/2x1/2=0.69 dead CataphractiiBut if we just go back to the old version like your suggesting we get 20%-53% (coming out to 22.22 points of Vets for 55.56 points of basic Marines, 111.11 points of Vets or 62.5-83.33 points of Termies)>10x1/6x2/3=1.11 dead from Overload>10x5/6x2/3=5.56 dead MEQs/VEQS>10x5/6x1/2x2/3=2.78 dead Tartaros>10x5/6x1/2x1/2=2.08 dead CataphractiiAnd I think I like this better than my fix anyway, even if it does cause a lot of Termicide
>>98671080Das rite. I was told it was high risk high reward, so that's what it is. A desperate weapon for even more desperate times.
Guys, Magi have Fire Protocols 2. How do they get to use it when they can only ever get 1 gun (and 1 pistol)?
>>98671325By firing both gun and pistol?
>>98668683We still have those, it's the Disint blaster you get on Veteran HSS and 1/5 on Veteran TacsIt's just that it's 1 shot now and it's still S5 whereas Terminators went from T4 to T5>>98668775That's something I was thinking about tooFlat AP2 would also let the power axe actually benefit from strength buffs but then I'd need to rebalance all of the Legion-specific wargear around AP2 power axesAlso if the power axe gets flat AP2 does it need an IM nerf?>>98669692Play an IC spam list as Ultramarines/Blackshields I guess
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