Aesthetics EditionPrevious: >>98670002>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Favorite arts/artists? OP is one of mine
>>98674755Asking again from last thread.Tappedout says that there's an issue with this card in Bello. Is it a bug? All the other green cards aren't flagged.
>>98674770It is not a bug. Its color identity is WRG, not just mono green due to it having white, red, and green pips on it.unfortunately color identity works that way so it doesn't fit into Bello's Red Green color identity.
>>98674770What does the three dots in a column say?
>>98674772But Bello has red and green.
>>98674778Bello doesnt have whiteIt's ok anon, current hybrid rules are shit, it should 100% work the way it's worked on all other formats
>Favorite arts/artists? OP is one of mine
>>98674778But not White. So you can't add white cards to his deck, which, again, the initiate counts as for commander deck building rules.
>>98674785Sorry I don't get it. I asked about this and my friend told me that I can use red or white for the split mana icons, so I choose red because Bello is red and green.
>TQMe. With my goblin proxies!Seriously though, RKF.
>>98674804Hybrid works that way in all other formats, but not commander. It counts all colors possible as the identity.
"oh dont worry i have very few counterspells in this deck"They will have counterspells to protect their bullshit, every single time.
>>98674807he cute should this have been commanderable
>Thread questionI am going to go with Mark Poole. I like old school MTG artwork, even if I wasn't around for it. The current art direction of Magic is too 'all over the place'.
>>98674755Dan Frazier of course! It's good that WotC understands that the best art comes from real humans instead of AI slop that steals from them.
why are all the legends in this set uncommon?
>>98674918astroturfing pauper edh
Seb McKinnon
>>98674971Damn I gotta get a version or two with that art
>>98674813That doesn't make sense though. If the card has me choose red or white why am I not able to choose red? Why does only white get counted?
>>98675025Because those are the rules of commander.Yes, many of us find that dumb, but it is what it is.
>>98674948pedh doesn't care about legendary uncommons
Would you be okay losing to this?
>>98675048If they did it turn 2, I'd be a little annoyed, other than that, no.
>>98675040oh im retarded, idk i guess they wanted people to remember its a set about characters during draft or something
>>98675048Incredibly telegraphed, fit for b2if i lost to this i'd blame myself
>>98674842Waiting patiently for tax return season to go boomer commander.
>>98674755>Favorite arts/artists? OP is one of mineI have all of LaurenYS' cards aside from this one. I did have it but decided to sell it since it's like 200+ in foil and I couldn't justify keeping it when I will never ever use it.
I kinda wanna build this chud as a commander but idk how.Like what wincons do i include?
>>98675183Thoracle
>>98675183Oops forgot pic
>>98675187See>>98675186
>>98674755>TQ: Favorite arts/artists? OP is one of mineRebecca Guay and Brom. I love his desolation angel. Need to find a good deck for it.
My queen
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>living weapon mintharathots?
I still like Tataru Taru.I played the deck tonight at my LGS, and it was a few close games (even if I only lived because of the Store Tard playing bracket 4 decks, so everyone focused him) but the deck really just gave me nothing...All losses, but it was kinda fun.
>>98675446We believe you. You don't need to tell us the same thing every thread.
>>98675516maybe he just wanted to post tataru taru because she cute :)
>>98675530Okay. That's fair.
>>98675532>>98675530That's most of it, yeah.She's adorable.
I hate how there are so many cool looking cards especially in angels that will never get used in non meme decks because they cost like 4 fucking mana too much
>>98675564Yeah.A shame, that.
RELEASE MY BOI PRIMETIME
>>98675694SOON
>>98675694ask again and GSZ gets the bin
What are some silly cards I can play? It'll be an "end of the night" deck
>>98675735
>>98675031Sorry for late reply, but what's the order then? If white gets counted over red, then is there anything that red or green count over?
>>98675278Such great art on a not so great card. I wish it was just a little bit more playable. Speaking of which I have to wonder if it was originally intended to be a legendary creature because this card suggests more lore. I might have guessed Selenia but that wouldn't make sense since that's Crovax in his ascendant evincar form.
>>98675735I know he doesn't have a high mana value but I think he could be neat
>>98675446this didn't happen, by the way.
>>98675760yes that's selenia, who reappeared to the dead crovax after he was killed by gerrard
>>98675169Habibi my brother welcome to fat shiekdom. Hazezon is fun and he's got great books.
>>98675698>>98675694What will blue joggers do when green gets these all unbanned?
>>98675891ask for erayo to be unbanned
>>98675898As it should be.
>>98675912Soon.
>>98675753My friend runs a Kaali deck entirely based around this shit. I always find it funny, but it pisses off anyone not in our friend group.
>legion loyaltyI thought it might be alright since I've found endless foot assault to be amazing, but nah it's garbage
>>986759458 mana do-nothings are indeed pretty bad
>>98675048Only if you said >snicker-snack.
>>98675898We as greenchads do not care about your flippy flappy.
>a new book!>still no commander that cares about booksWizards, PLEASE. I will get on my fucking hands and knees if I have to, let me build book tribal to make a library. I just want to LARP as the chill librarian that does neat things I don't even care about winning I just wanna have fun with piles of books
>>98676118Not even commander, no card in the game cares about books. It's weird they added the subtype everywhere.
>>98676118I didn't even know Book was a type.
>>98676137it was introduced with strixhaven and apparently all of these artifacts are books nowhttps://moxfield.com/search/cards?q=t%3Abook
>>98676125God I fucking know, right?? I cannot understand why they bothered to errata all those artifacts and yet STILL do nothing with it
>>98676125>um ackshuallyIt's not legal but I highly doubt people would be against Rule 0ing this in a b2 game, if you showed it's just book tribal>I mean no card in the game cares about book as a typeYes I know I'm grasping for straws here I'm just as salty as that other anon desu senpai
What's the safest choice?
>>98676274opponents - freecaster - wild
>>98675758you are misunderstanding. the color identity of a card includes every mana symbol that appears in the text of the card. hybrid mana symbols count as both, it's not that one counts above the other, that card has both red AND white in its identity. so the identity is green red white in this case. the color identity of all cards in a deck must be within that of the commander.
>>98675392That could work? I assume you plan on sacrifice the germs or equipping the equipments off the germs and onto Minthara so they die off to get her triggers?
>>98675760>>98675813ehm, that's actually the desolation angel, selenia doesn't have the bird helmet
>>98676118>>98676125And yet they didn't errata map artifacts to receive the map subtype
what colors don't have an equipment build now imo
>>98675392That's not something I have ever thought of but it sounds neat.I built mine mostly with tokens and proliferation in mind
>>98676626Mono green, mono blue
>>98676675Mono-G's equipment build is Hearth and Home and Forge and Frontier landfall
Does this work as a sort of colorshifted Necro?
>>98676886>my interpretation of white's color identity is that you just have to bend over and let your opponents fuck you in the assWell you understood that bit, but then you tacked on a draw ability without hard limits. Sure your opponents would be fools to let you get to your end step and draw a dozen or more cards, but the fact it's even possible would be ringing alarms in the WotC design department. It'd be a hard once per turn somehow.It's really hard to say because I don't think I've ever seen a white card that lets your opponents cast your shit. Seems you've probably gotten a weird impression of how group hug is meant to work or something.Maybe if whenever you cast a spell each opponent could copy it??? MAYBE.But more likely that bit gets cut entirely and becomes something else. Probably a limit on you, frankly. Like you can only cast 1 spell each turn but otherwise have the Necropotence effect capped at the amount of life you gain on YOUR turn or something
>>98676274You should only be casting this if you have good shit in your hand to plap down. Most opponents are going to choose free.
Honestly I'm quite good at piloting deck, netdeck and friend's, but when it comes to brewing one myself I'm pretty much suck.
>>98677056You lack the inner spark that some cultures named "the soul". You also struggle to visualize things in your head because you are not ensouled.I am going to spin a hyper-realistic 3D apple in my head and narrate it with the voice of Ricky Gervais as I make it explode, then go build a sultai deck from scratch
>>98677056You aren't good at piloting. You are good at following directions from watching how a deck is played or from reading a primer.If I just handed you a random deck and said play it, without further elaboration you'd probably flounder.
>>98676441yes it's the desolation angel but the invasion story went exactly as i said, don't ask me why wotc made selenia a desolation angel (last caress shows crovax after death)
>>98676950Something like this?
>>98677114Well I mean if I didn't get to see the whole deck and took some time connecting the dots of course I will flounder it.
post cards with sexy women
>>98677142Eh maybe. I don't love the demonstrate, but making it first spell is a limitation they'd put on it sure.Maybe it'd have the Necrodominance limitation of making you exile shit instead of sending it to grave, so your discard step can't benefit you. Especially with the wave of boros grave support they've printed recently.
>>98677282
There are way too many generic humanoid commanders. They really need to make commanders more monstrous, like making more leviathans or nightmares or something. I want my commander to be something actually worth the title of legendary, not just some dude with makeup on
>>98677282Real cards, or what?
>>98677378what the heck, shadowheart in the hobbit?
>>98676426But wait. Why am I able to choose white for Blind Obedience in Nine-Tails?
>>98677317What about monsters with makeup on?
>>98677416Depends on what kind of monster. Like a minotaur is still humanoid, a crab is not. If there's a crustacean with makeup, i'd love to see it
>bro its all about handing things over>thats why jace is dying now so he can give his powers to another girl boss since garruck is back from pr timeout>being turned phyrexian is completely irrelevant
>>98677528>covered up her titsDISGUSTING
>>98677411i expected this question. blind obedience has the ability extort, and the reminder text for extort has the w/b symbol. but, reminder text (any italics text between parentheses) doesn't count for color identity.the reason is that it's not really part of the card's own text, it just a reminder of rules. the card could be printed as just "extort. artifacts and creatures yadda yadda..."
>>98677411Reminder text doesn't count towards color identity
>>98677736So blind obedience doesn't count because it's not in the rules but... a reminder of the rules?
>>98677766Yes. Theres versions of the card that dont have the Reminder text, just the Extort ability
>>98677766Yes.Similarly this Azula has the colour identity of black despite adding you red mana, as the mana symbol is rules reminder text.If it's in brackets/italics, it doesn't count towards the rules, it's just reminding you of them.
>>98677766Yes, extort is the ability and it doesn't inherently have a mana symbol
>>98677784NTA, but thank you.
>>98677779>>98677784>>98677794So can I use this card in Bello?
>>98677865NO NO NO STOP POINTING THINGS OUTSHELDON'S VISION WAS PERFECT
>>98677865No.
>>98677876Why?
>>98677879Lands are their own thing.
>>98677865no. not because of the reminder text, which as i said doesn't count, but because basic land types (forest for green, island for blue etc) are also part of color identity
>>98677873reminder that color identity is essentially the same as gender identity and it's just as stupid
>>98677888Why not just make rule reminder text also count so it's more consistent?
>>98677920I HATE that this is the only reprint Ruhan has gotten in over 15 years.
Reading the card explains the card.(Except when it doesn't. Get fucked.)
>>98677948Its easier to have it not count.
I think the Elder Sphinx's are the only mythic rarity legendary creatures in this set
>>98678010I've noticed a lot of recent sets getting funky like that. UB sets are oops all legendary, while UW sets are barely any.
>>98678096UW sets still have massively increased legendary counts compared to the block era (Innistrad block had ten legends TOTAL for reference)
>>98677999But this version has lots of weird extra rules and exceptions. It would be simpler to just say rules text counts even if it's reminders of the rules.
>>98677965Welcome to post-WOTS Magic, where cards that haven’t gotten a reprint in over a decade get le heckin’ wacky quirky funko pop doggo chungus 100 reprint XD
We need common Ocelot Pride in Pauper.
>>98678123I believe Extort was the first time a mana symbol showed up in reminder text so it necessitated a clarification. The land types rule has always been a thing.
>>98674755>TQDiTerlizzi but more for Planescape
>>98678125Yeah. WotC never did any sets before where all the characters were wacky alternate reality versions of themselves.
>>98678134I am pretty sure Charmed Pendant is the first card with a mana symbol in its reminder text.
>>98678173Back then they were anomalies, not EVERY OTHER FUCKING REPRINT
>friend brews new bracket 2 deck for our upcoming commander night>asks me if the list is okay>3 removal spells>35 landslooks great to me
>>98678231Post the list
>>98678123as you can see here >>98678176 it wouldn't make sense to use reminder text for identity. reminder text isn't actually part of the card's text, it's just the designers saying "this is how this works btw". a card with extort only has the word "extort" as an effect
>>98678176Maybe mana symbol in rules for a keyword, then
What new commanders are you working on anon?
>>98678291My newest is technically Fire Lord Zuko.I don't know enough about the game yet to really do my own thing, I just don't have the encyclopedic card knowledge...So I'm mostly working off a cheap but effective looking build I found on EDHrec.Still need most of the cards, but I'll get there eventually.
I just spent almost $500 on The One Rings for investment purposes. I was going to buy them a year ago for almost half price and now I'm kicking myself. I figure they are just going to keep going up since they are so busted and basically a RL card being UB.
>>98678357that's ok anon, wait for the next UB and if it's a really good JP IP (*Zelda*) buy in immediately
Jeremy Juice2ArtifactIf a player would create a clue, food or treasure token, they don't.Triggered abilities of permanents can't cause player to search libraries or draw cards.1, exile Jeremy Juice: Skip your next turn. Any player may play this ability.
>>98678386>2 mana "shut off all things that annoy me"Yawn. More effort next time. Maybe ask Grok for advice because it would do a better job.
Does anyone have that meme of the white man handing over the world to the mulatto underclass and pan asian AI? I swear this is the same face gesture
>>98678402>shuts off rhystic study, tutors, token spamthe only thing it misses are counters. 10/10 stax piece
>>98678402>please let me do the thing damnit!ok timmy
>>98678410
>>98678410who the fuck is that hoe?
>>98678441just some random OC. jace was ass, so now we have a tranny version of jace to really double down
>>98678386Each of those abilities already exist on cards. You're crying over nothing. Please get good at the game and maybe concentrate more on winning than stopping your opponents, you'll have better game and win more of them!
>>98678441Tam. She's jace's magic daughter that's half him and half his perfect version of vraska. She's even more annoying than jace because she killed millions but they were stem majors instead of liberal arts students so no one cares
This set fucking sucks ass, this is what the -UB general was hyping up? I'm more excited for the bum ass Star Trek set over this one
They really love jerking off Jace, huh?
>>98678520fucking who
>>98678478No, they don't. Show me where triggered draw from permanents is on a card, or named tokens can't be created?
>>98678503that's nice dear
>>98678528This card prevents those pesky tokens to be created. As for the triggered abilities, there's Topor Orb, Hushbringer, Strict Proctor...the list for stopping triggered abilities goes on. Have you actually tried to get better at the game?
>>98678412>>98678423You're worse at this game than Grok if you're so stupid you need your answer needs to come in the form of a 2-mana does everything that you can curve out then forget exists.
The Incarnation of Jace's AssholeREnchantment If a triggered ability of a permanent would trigger, instead it triggers and that player takes 3 damage. >>98678558>oh dude if we interpert this really old card to act as removal with all of it's unneeded baggage and rules text, then it's totally the same, also it's green>>98678571>does everything>shuts off metagame regurgitation treasure token whores and rhystic / commander do thing draw cardIf your deck can't function with that stax piece, you are just a retard bitch
>>98678591That card does exactly what you want, prevents artifact tokens from existing
>>98678591Here's your anti-Rhystic hate piece
>>98678591So you don't even have a real rebuttal for what I posted? Other than it's old and green? My guy, you're literally the problem with modern magic and why every half decent card synergies with itself? Do you need your control pieces to do EVERYTHING, you crying fag?
>>98678591>Says there's no answer>Gets given one>Complains because it's not braindead enough for himNot all jund players, but it's always...
>>98678637>please let me do the thing!! sheldon told me i could!imagine being this mad about stax pieces when stax isn't even top tier
>>98678646Yeah because stax takes a reasonable of effort to make work and isn't the slightest bit of fun to play with or against
>>98678646I'm the guy who posted the cards, I'm not crying about being able to do the thing, you're crying that you can't stop me properly and I'm saying you already had the ability, you're just too shit and biased to take advantage of them. Or, and this is what real good players do, instead of trying so hard to stop them, go for your wins instead! Trust me, it's better than you think!
>oh gey guys remember Jace?>yeah he just gets killed>we even smash his spark and everything too>thanks for waiting for this exciting conclusionFucking really?
Hey guys I noticed how sometimes my opponents play cards and they win the game. However there's no cards right now that completely stop my opponents from playing cards. It's all some obscure combo bullshit with old cards like Drannith Magistrate + Knowledge Pool, which is also white (not a color I play). I propose we add this card to the game:{1}ArtifactSplit secondYour opponents can't cast spells or activate abilities.Stax isn't even that good anyway so I think this would fix that issue.
>>98678668oh i assure you i go for my wins, but i do want cards that do nothing but stop my opponents from doing shit, go ahead ask me why i dare you
When my opponents play cards, they win.Which means I lose.That's ok, I suck at the game.But losing means I learn new cards and what they do, so I can plan when to use some of my removal and counters better. Unless they're playing bracket 4 in casual, then they are cucks.
>>98678668you people are legit schizo. Why would I spent 4 mana on a green enchantment that turns big enchantments into a bodies? I'm well aware this exists, but it doesn't meet the requirements of stopping only tokens, and I don't want to play green. Anyway, you can faggot out all you'd like - trigger stax is coming
>>98678686I remember seeing this type of bitcher post before vexing bauble was released.
>>98678745Meet potential mechanic!
>>98678558It doesn't stop tokens from existing. This creatures an ETB and death triggers.
>>98678745>big enchantmentsoh I get it, he can't read, that's why he's so upset
>>98678686unironically white needs a split second version of silence, because white's way of interacting with the stack is for you to not be able to access it in the first place
>>98678751Most decks making squillions of artifact tokens care more about their ongoing existence or doing stuff with them, not the ETBs and graveyard triggers
>>98675760Desolation Angel is still good in battle cruiser edh but makes babies cry due to MLD
>>98677965It’s $3.15 on Card Kingdom, I don’t think anyone is clamoring for a reprint on this one.
>>98678754>Yes let's keep bringing back split second for everything I need it to stop those evil blue players
>>98678764>blue and red can interact with spells on the stack>green and white can ram through their spells>black can see your hand and take out your best card/the card that will stop your plansit's always supposed to be that way, but wotc is too pussy to give black what it really needs in edh
>>98678754WWCarl's WillInstantSplit SecondReorder the stack. (abilities and spells that resolve stop being valid targets)
>>98678791Wizards designing around EDH is what got us into this mess in the first place
>>98678791Hand interaction usually gets you targeted first and makes any deck that doesn't play out of its graveyard feel like shit, which is why it's usually so limited and newer cards with it usually have you replace whatever you discarded
>>98678804pBSorcery(pB can be paid with B or 2 life)Each opponent reveals their hand. Choose a nonland card from each of them. Those players exiles those cards.it's not difficult to make the tempo loss worth it in edh, wotc just needs to have the spine to print itmaybe hasbro will force them one day, they need chase cards after all
>>98678822There's a reason this card isn't printed, it's slow, extremely powerful, and will get everyone hating you quickly. Plus, everyone would run it.
>>98678832>1 phyrexian black mana is slowlol>will get everyone hating you quickly>but everyone would run it anywaythat's what the GC list is for!
>>98678822>free spell to deny your opponent their best card from the start of the game if you go firstYeah if you tried this you'd be the immediate archenemy, especially if you're one of the swine who don't treat cards with respect. Hell, even if this costed 2 mana, it'd still be insane.
>>98678851>1 phyrexian black mana is slow>lolI think he meant slow as in how long it takes to resolve the card. Having to look through each hand and decide what to get rid of could be time consuming, especially if there's more than one deck running this
>Print phyrexian thoughtseize that exiles, thus rotating every format at once and getting banned within months>Has a cascading effect that causes WotC to reevaluate the health of this type of effect in constructed>Thoughtseize banned in all formats>Deceit banned in Standard>Targeted discard stops getting printed below 6 mana and shitting up the game "because we did it in Urza's Saga so it's good"I'm actually liking this idea.
>>98678867Printing such a card wouldnt be the first time wotc appealed to cedh and it wont be the last
>>98678892While true, that doesn't make it any better. Cards get really problematic when they either make things take too long or they make things go too quickly. Dickside is too fast to be healthy, thoughtseize for each opponent would be too slow to be fun
>>98678910>what is the GC list but to dump pushed cards that both protect timmies and get whales whaling?
>>98678913Saying your card is supposed to be a GC doesn't make it a good design.
>>98678929i never said it was good design though, i even said it would a purely monetary printing just to drive sales
>>98678929I think we're past the point of fearing free thoughtseizes when free counterspells are everywhere
>>98678913The gc list is for cards that can swing a game. The ban list is for cards that would ruin them. Free thoughtseize would belong in the latter category.
>>98678947and yet tergrid is a gc
>>98678946Name one free counterspell printed in the last 4 years.
>>98678386>this started all of the asshurt from cedh playersI was looking for Eario tier stuff, not ‘fuck the op mechanics’ stax
>>98678960now cry. a lot.
>>98678929Damn, gotta find me a woman who looks like that
>>98678982MH card and not a counterspell. Try again.
>>98678947>bro gamechangers are for cards that CHANGE THE GAME>mfw possibility storm resolves and I have 14 counters on descent into avernus
I wanna build mono blue, what do you think about this dude?
>>98678986>it's from a set i didn't like so it doesn't count!cope and seethe, (You) try again with a gotcha next time you think you were slick with that '4 year' shit huh you fucking idiot
>>98678986Flare of denial you stupid clownFree counterspells are an abomination.
>>986789972020 card. Try again. Keep looking anon. If they're everywhere, surely you have lots of examples from the last 4 years.
>>98679001Requires nontoken blue creature to sacrifice (not free). Try again.
>>98679004>help gavin! it's MH! HEEEEEELP
>>98679016Oops! The LLM is short circuiting! Try again. >>98679010
>>98678995>puts all 9 stun counters on my opponents commander
>>98679019we all know you're assmad that you got caught by flare of duplication retard kun, redirects are by definition counterspells to counterspells and at the end of the day that's all that matters to cedh
>>98679010>oops force of will isnt free!Actually better timeline if you test out your quantum immortality
>>98679030>Moves the goalpost to "counterspells are actually just any card that can stop a counterspell"Uh-oh! Melty!
>>98678822>anon hems and haws for 15 minutes on turn 1 deciding on what to discardthis would just get you punched in the face
>>98679028I thought a guy was going to come across the table when I played this on his cloud (x=5)
>>98679034>T-They're everywhere! The evil free blue counterspells are everywhere!>Posts card that requires you to invest mana into it
>>98679035>the discussion is cedh>noooooo not my timmy pod!yes cry more anon i love it
>>98679052>These cards are EVERYWHERE! You don't understand! I need answers to them!>Look inside>1996 card that permanently mindbroke him
>>98679043In an eternal format, they are. I don’t really understand the ‘asks easily proven wrong questions and responds with greentext adding clarifying requirements to the premise’ but I assume it’s standard 4chan retardation. You also type like a cedh player.
>>98679063>These cards are EVERYWHERE in cedhcorrect>but my timmy pod - nobody cares
>>98679068Raped male post.
>>98679071Raped and mindbroken.
This is kinda cute actually
>>98679113it would be cool if not for amass Jace
>>98678822Wizard's sucks, but I'm sure as fuck glad you aren't designing shit.
>>98679113I don't like Amass Jace, but this is a neat effect.
>>98679106ok timmy don't worry the mean discard and things like primetime won't hurt you cuz they all go to the mean GC list xD
>>98679113holy shit is the first time they've done a "walkers don't die at 0" card?? That's fucking nuts
>>98679146yes, but it's also not as good as you think it is
>>98679163Who cares I think neat cards are way more important to the game than "actually good" cards. Wizards can print whatever fuck ass powerful "I win" chase mythic at any moment, but only rarely do they make me go "that's fucking cool" anymore
>>98679140>He's still babbling incoherently
>>98679179i'm not the one here afraid of free discard spells anon
Gamble on a creature. I like it.
This card is incredibly powerful in an aristocrat deck. Turn 9, game is stalled with green player having out Vorinclex, fogs up his ass, and a reach creature preventing enough damage to get through, but he is only at 4 life.Cast Vish Kal along with another creature for all my mana, and since I had Meathook up I just saced my only four creatures to it for the win.
I had an idea for a deck but I think I very quickly realized it's not gonna work. The Jace tokens use the same rules as normal walkers, yeah? I can't have multiple Jace tokens out at the same time? I thought it'd be funny to have a Jace army like how Krenko/etc decks just spam out hella tokens
>>98679299you can technically have multiple jace tokens as they aren't legendary, it's just that empower won't help you multiply them
>>98679197It's going to be $$$.
>>98679309Oh neat>it's just that empower won't help you multiply themYeah that's also what I realized. I made the same dumb mistake TCing an Amass deck a while back trying to chain/copy numerous Amass spells only to realize I was making one big dude and not several smaller dudes
>>98679281wow anon that's some really obscure tech you've discovered
>>98679320>4 manaYeah just like Diabolic Tutor
>>98679337Naw. I just usually use it as a strictly better Black Sun's Zenith as a board wipe to get around indestructible. The life gain and drain has always just been a small bonus. First time I used it to drain someone for the win. >>98679366In red, and on a body. If you wiff, you still have a 4/4 Flying Trample Dragon.
>>98679366>Diabolic Tutor has a 4/4 flying/trample attached to itAnon, please stop being retarded
>laughs in golbez
I love revealing removal in my hand to soft-goad people.Today i told someone that i'll kill their commander unless they attack with it and attack someone other than me and it actually worked, hilarious.
>>98679380>>98679382>Dude a 4/4 flierAmazing how this is all it takes to impress retards.
>>98679197Love this. Makes my protean hulk combos more consistent, and goes in Boros Flicker pretty nicely.
>>98679548It's legit awesome. I do it all the time with fogs. Deathtouch chump blockers are the best units in the game.
>>98679548I actually tell people what I have in hand and what I'll do all the time. >If you attack me with your commander, it'll never untap againThe important thing is to always follow through with your promises even if they aren't great plays.
>>98677378byoru lookin bitch
Where are all the timeline shifted phyrexians?
>>98679731the whole point of the mirrorverse is making it so the bad shit never happened
>>98679555>call them namesNow you've convinced me.
>>98679548Turn 1: "I have a counterspell in my hand." while playing mono white.Turn 7: Shrug. "And here it is."
>>98679754Mana Tithe is always, ALWAYS a good time.
this is probably my favorite artwork Rebecca GAY's awesome Dark Rit. Of course Terese Nielsen is awesome. Newer artists I like Seb McKinnon
>game 1, player 3 kills me turn 4, uses orims chant on my turn 4>game 2, repeat of game 1, everyone scoops >game 3, repeat of game 3, except he is choosing not to instantly kill or shut down anyone, wins turn 6 that's all bracket 3 to him. I can't seem to get him to understand that value engines as commanders are all about winning and efficiency, where as I make decks that do non-standard things rather than torment for infinite, or infinite loop. He's the 'leader' of the group and owns the discord server, and he plays everynight, so I can't get away from him without getting away from other cool af people
>>98679787I mean if he's consistently killing people before turn 7 his decks are definitionally not bracket 3, you don't even need to look at anything Gavin said or wrote, just show the chart that outlines the basic bracket criteria.You're supposed to be able to usually play 6 full turns before anyone wins or loses.
>>98679731you'd think removing the phyrexians would have giga chad urza slapping down yawgmoth
>>98679787You're playing b3 AKA shithole supreme. If you want slower games play b2. Otherwise your main recourse is matching him. Just run TOR and searchers for it.
>>98678291Just waiting for a Sheltered by Ghosts to show up in the mail to complete my Brigone list.
>>98679803she cute :)
>>98679486>fixed divining topHoly shit
>>98679787you keep whining about this but yet you never tell us exactly what the guy's wincon is, curious
>cast pic rel>copy time stretch out of spike's hand>loop it>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIt's not my infinite?
>>98679809>fixedbut this is worse
>>98679821That's what fixed means
>>98679819gavin specifically mentions that combos/mld using cards from opponents is fine, that's why you boardwiping then somebody uses picrel in response is a-ok
>>98679653Me as the retard that ignores the threat every time because eventually you'll be bluffing, just not this game
>>98679807*draws u a card*
>>98679809You could honestly have just left the second part off entirely but I respect the safety net.
>>98679855Ok now that's very cute
>>98679787Being able to win turn 4 three games in a row is definitely a high bracket 4 deck.
>>98679754>>98679766god there is no better feeling than hitting someone with Tithe when they tap out everything for their wincon
>>98679604Good card, shame t*rkir is so hideous I'd never consider playing it
>>98679937I really wonder what the fuck they were thinking with the aesthetics, especially for the WBG trannies, they look like gay halloween
>>98679956>Sultai and Abzan get max gay>Mardu is absolute cinema>Jeskai is exactly the same>Temur is fine I guessas a Mardu player, TDK was an excellent set and I couldn't be happier
>>98679817kefka, green goblin, merfolk extra turns, yshtola, etc
>>98679555+Trample + Gamble,a 15$ Card. Some of you are truly miserable faggots that just want to bitch. Dont be a bitch.
>>98680025Demonic Tutor is a $60+ card but Rune-Scarred Demon is like a dollar.
>Trying to get back into commander after a long hiatus >Fucking bracket system>Bracket 3 says you can't use 2 card combos or early game combosWhat EXACTLY does this mean? I'm building a Nicol Bolas, the Ravager control deck where Ghostly Flicker + Archeomancer type flicker stuff is the theme, and am thinking about putting Dualcaster Mage in. Obviously DCM + Ghostly Flicker is a 2-card engine, but it needs a third card as a payoff. So what's the verdict with this?
Should FFX be GWU?
>>98680040Are either of those cards red? Your arguing just for the sake of it
>>98680051It just means brackets are dumb anon, simple as. 1-10 rating was much better
>>98680051I just talked about this last thread>>98674071
>>98679113So the only way to get rid of them is specific removal cards?
>>98680064you're right, Red-Scarred Demon will probably be like 25 cents since Gamble is way worse than Demonic Tutor.
Lost 4 pf the 5 games I played today. Feels bad. Got to trade for a bolas citadel and blood letter of aclazotz though, so night wasn't a total wash.I hope your last game night went better.
>>98680086Or kill the bug yeah
>>98678884Dumb question, but since its a island, it can still tap for blue, yea?
>>98680106Yes.
>>98680064There are way better choices at 4 mana in red than a Gamble with a body attached.
>>98680078Okay. Where are those combos on the 1-10 scale?
>>98680112The answer to that is always a 7. Shit post meme aside, id still say they are a solid 7
>>98680108Can you recommendme some please? Honest question
>>98679744But the bad shit is the Jacetice league existing
>>98680136It's now the Tamvengers actually
>>98680137Same shit. The best story decision WOTC ever made was killing everyone and advancing history hundreds of years in Odyssey after the horrible _4_ years of Weathershit. If they wanted to do storyshit that should've been the standard every block or two.
>>98680145Gerrard is actually the best hero mtg has (Jace wishes he could go out like him), but wotc hypes up sisay instead because bipoc
>>98680091Couldn't proxy skill, could you? Kill yourself.
>>98680132depends on your general strategy obviously>Purphoros>Sneak Attack>Flametongue Kavu>Pia and Kiran>Chandra Torch of Defiance>Koth of the Hammer>Hellrider>Splinter Twin>Rekindling Phoenix>Ojer Axonil>Neheb Dreadhorde Champion>Sunspine Lynx>Fanatic of Mogis>Enduring Courage>Magmatic Hellkite
>>98680155The best hero is actually the wizard from the Fallen Empires novel, who single-handedly caused the destruction of 4 of the empires.
>>98680091It's ok goblin king, stay strong, keep refining your deck, and improve your politicking skills
>>98680170Can't win them all. Gotta figure out how to get a better early game consistency is all.
>>98680160What if im in mono red and desperately need to find 1 particular card to say, start/stop a combo or removea stax piece?
>>98680214run lots of looting effects
>>98680106Yes. all cards with a basic land type inherently have "taps for [color of basic land type]". Multiple types have "tap for the colors of the basic types" like pic rel
>>98680082>non conclusive answerLegitimately hilarious coincidence, but that really doesn't answer my question. If I DCM + GF for infinite mana (not even what I want to use it for), is that considered oppressive for Bracket 3, even if the combo is easily stoppable with a basic removal spell?
>>98680239depends on how huffy your pod gets about following the bracket suggestions (because that's what they are) to the letter. Most people won't give a shit as long as you're not turboing out a win on turn 2.
>>98680239It's not as long as you do your infinite on your turn7+, just as gavin himself says>the conclusion is to just wait until the 'right time' to combo off, because that's essentially what brackets are, nobody sane actually cares if you thoracled turn 15, the whole point is the *when*>b2 is turn9+ for reference
>>98680214NTA but you want to use curse marred for all its aspects not just a 4 mana gambleAnd by that i mean, you want the 4 power flampler to really count, so you'd be in an aggro strat that would be beating face anyway and the random discard doesnt hurt you at all, picrel
What went wrong?
>>98680214Play Magda.
>>98680262Commander players are weird, but sure. I'll probably skip the headache completely and just not run DCM, but I was under the impression this new bracket system was supposed to remove subjective rule 0 talk from the equation, yet people continue to get mad over people making competent decks. At what point are people responsible for simply building subpar decks, or not running enough removal?
>>98680278Playing reanimator except you're only allowed to reanimate cmc<4 is a terrible strategyAlso it also doesn't help that Celes is 1000 times better as commander, Celes draws you cards and fills your graveyard and is a combo piece
>>98680310A whole generation of players were taught about rule zero, the idea that things could be discussed per pod individually and not through an official system of rulesThis ofc means that the loudest most obnoxious retard gets their way and they are incentivized to never leave their bubble and thus their understanding of the game stagnates, it'll take time to undo the damage please be patient
>>98680330>Ugh, I can't believe this 8-drop asked me to play creature removal before it untapped. I hate this tryhard cEDH shit.t. average commander player.
>>98680318Read the card anon, I fell into the same trapTerra reanimates anything with POWER less than or equal to 3. Getting something like Aurelia the Warleader on the board for only two mana seems like a pretty neat deal
>>98680318You don't understand Terra at all, it's literally just a regular reanimator deck that you load up with huge threats, but unlike other reanimator commanders she can easily bring them back every turn.You fill her deck with tremendous amounts of grave tutors, self-mill, other reanimation spells and reanimator creatures and you have a board that's basically completely unbreakable unless you get grave wiped.She also doesn't care for mana value, she cares for power, so she by herself actually pulls some very high mana value targets like knights of the round for the aurelia that gives you extra combats.Actually an insanely good reanimator commander.
>>98680343I had a guy in my lgs throw a tantrum at the table and say I'm "pubstomping" when all I did was curve out to my Celes and reanimated a Red Hulk and a Resolute Archangel
>>98680359*or the aurelia
Since I'm already asking dumb questions and stated I'm building a Bolas flicker control deck, what are some good red control cards? They can be 2-3 color in the Grixis pairing, but they gotta be red.
>>98680356>>98680359Aureliamind Luv me big violent redhead angel
>>98680369Yes she's so crazy in Terra, but i love this little guy too.For 2 mana it puts in a hugely disproportionate amount of work and it slots nicely into her curve too.
>>98680368>blasphemous act>vandalblast>bedevil>kolaghan's command>dark intimations
>>98679956>WBG tranniesIs that a thing?
>>98680091Cute butt. Bolas citadel is a noob trap though
>>98680403Its won me games in Y'shtola, but honestly when you have that much fucking mana anything will do it.
>>98680403>Bolas citadel is a noob trap thoughYou wut?
>>98680368Rakdos CharmBolt Bend, Wyll's Reversal etc.Reverberate and similar for "you cast overload Galadriel's Dismissal on me? Well now I'll do it to you first"
>>98679956>>98680394>everything I don't like is trannies
>>98680368If Sudden Substitution isn't in your deck, put it in along with one of the red 'get an extra turn but lose next turn' cards. Other Split Second cards are big surprises for most pods I've played in like Sudden Spoiling or Word of Seizing.
>>98680394nu-Abzan's khan is a trans woman
>>98680534Who?
>>98680544Felothar
>>98680567Who?
>>98680406>>98680418If you aren't playing CEDH, it's over costed win more trash
>>98680596>Win more>Card wins the game when it resolves even if your board is empty???
>>98680616Meanwhile in realiy you hit a land and some random cards that don't actually win you the game because you're not playing cedh comboslop
>>98680567Oh how inclusive.
>>98680596My deck runs a bunch of draw-discard and other ways to pull land off the top. Frankly it'd be disgusting but I should really put a top in here.I haven't updated the deck in a bit.Makes the deck a solid B3 if not a B4, I'm still working out the kinks.
>>98680624That is... an interpretation of a precognition engine that cheats 30 mana of material.
>>98680676Speak English you troon
>>98680676Yeah but it doesn't do that in reality because you're actually just gonna get stuck on a land 3 cards in and you also generally can't expend that much life in most casual games because you generally don't instantly win off some combo after doing so.
okay I'm not creative enough to think of how to use/abuse this. why wouldn't you just run any other normal commander/creature that buffs itself normally?
>>98680713Wrong color but holy shit the possibilities are endless
>>98680713It's kinda rare to have a commander that can just buff itself to lethal without a mana cost
>>98680713
>>98680713Weird card. It's gimped really badly without blue but it's cool.
>>98680718LOOT IS A HORRORSTRAIGHT TO MY CAPTAIN NGATHROD
>>98680744There's quite a few black creatures with that 0 cost ability, and they're going to go fucking sicko mode with Loot + Cauldron
>>98680751>mfw I YOINK the black player's key pieces from his graveyardMy friend didn't realize cauldron cpuld grab from ANY graveyard, not just mine.
>>98679197Goes hard with red clone effects
>>98680713I guess you could run this as an option to make him unblockable. Possibly something to run in the 99 of any strategies built around skulk. Also maybe there are some more effects like weakstone that would synergize with his gimmick. Overall he looks too gimmicky as a commander until there are more cards that care about negative values as a mechanic.
>>98679930Closest i can think of is hitting somebody with a lapse of certainty and then hitting them with an effect that lets you play the top card of their library or something that makes them shuffle their deck. The realization on their faces when you do it is magical
>>98680155>>98680164The best hero in lore is either Sigarda (the tard wrangler of Innstrand) or Gideon (local man is cool, spots a big threat, stops it, refuses to elaborate further, dies)
>>98680713Huh, this may actually be the first time I thought Loot looked alright. And working in a way to play with negative power is neat.
>>9868035940k has cool art. I'm still hoping for a reprint so I can get a resurrection orb for an actually not retarded cost
>>98680713>loot's value is absolute>an absolute number is the distance from zero on a number line, meaning it's always positivethat's such a retarded fucking pun it's insane
>>98680991I still don't know what the fuck it's supposed to be in the lore, or why it's so important. I thought it was supposed to be the mascot/Pikachu they introduced just to sell merch. A throwaway character and nothing more
Unesh keeps eating
>>98680997It's the BB8 + Baby Yoda of MtG. It's a living macguffin.
>>98680997As far as importance goes, he's a living planar GPS and is implied to be able to build omenpaths when he matures. Basically he's one of the only safe and reliable ways to travel from plane to plane without a spark and is still pretty fucking useful even if you have one.This anti-Loot is probably no exception, so leaving him out somewhere where the opposition could use him to bring the fight directly to his doorstep is probably something Jace had to prevent.Beyond that he's pikachu and they're gradually learning to make him less ugly.
>>98680051Just sandbag the combo if you get it early
>>98680091CUTEGOBBOSLUTS
>>98681088>they're gradually learning to make him less uglyHonestly I think the key is to make him strategically ugly. >>98680713 this looks so much better than any of the Loot yet.
I’m so disappointed by how disgustingly ugly and non-hydra the new Hydra is. Only way it could be worse is if it was a shit empower Jace card.
>>98681146>0 cards found where the set is “fra” and the card types include “hydra”?
>>98681394He's talking about Guiding Hydra
>>98680713God, an absolute shame that it isn't mono blue, it was the perfect reason to use this beauty and all those recent draft-chaff creatures that give -2/-0.on mono black, most of the stuff gives -X/-X, so the best you can do is spam creatures and try to keep the Threshold up( which falls apart if any graveyard hate is played)
>>98674948I was unfamiliar with the concept of Pauper Commander and thought every match was a monoR mirror between Chandler and this guy
>>98680713>>98681492I guess there's this if you want an unblockable negative infinite power Loot to swing with
>>98681540problem is that is only cute thing the deck can do, rest of the deck is just spam token generators and self mill to keep the Threshold up.the other direct -x/-0 is either this, the armor over here >>98680738 , or Feebleness
built for nethroi
>>98681555There's way more than that, and if you include end of turn stuff like instants it turns up over 200 cards on scryfall
-UB mogging /edhg/ on original memes yet again
>>98681597yes, but most of them give -X/-X, and Loot only has 4 of toughness, so you need to make Loot's Ass bigger to survive>normal Loot eats Titties, Alt loot eat ass
>>98681613tbf, with how this set is going memes are the only thing that general will have until 2027
>>98681625Haha yeah isn't it great that WotC completely sold out and we constantly get ads masquerading as sets haha
>>98681634It's actually impressive just how incredibly bad those two cards are
>>98681647It's they're not reprinted in the main set, Slop Trekkers will still pay at least $10 for each. Reminder these people bought fucking commemorative plates back in the day. The OG consoomers
>>98681647>>98681650They are in the welcome decks
>>98681727>>98681727>>98681727
