Strong and empowering EditionPrevious: >>98674755>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What old cards are in desperate need of a diversity/heckin’ wacky XD reprint?
>>98681727>What old cards are in desperate need of a diversity/heckin’ wacky XD reprint?The rest of the OG legends. They did several of them and they came out actually pretty fine but I want to see all of them
>>98681761But that isn't a hippo?
They need to make spells that are a free cast or gain a bonus if your commander has no abilities
>>98681964why?
How's my janky superfriends idea>metalbender toph>look for liquimetals, mycosynth with artifact searchers>turn the garruks, chandras, etc into artifact lands so they can attack >if they die or ult they return with a fresh set of loyalty since theyre earthbent lands
>>98681964No, if you want to be a retard playing on hard mode, you get to be a retard playing on hard mode.
>>98681971Powercreep and bloat
>>98681977I can just tell you're an yshtola player
>>98681727I always wondered: what's the sassy Black woman stock photo meme called?
>>98681964Commander specific effects are legitimately some of the worst forms of parasitic design and any vanilla-matters card needs to function with any vanilla to not suck.
>>98681964Just use her in her new card like I do
>>98682037It's so amusing how massive of a sleeper hit this commander is. Literally *no one* runs vanilla creatures, so all your creatures will ALWAYS be unblockable
>>98682063Maybe in a pod with 0 removal
>>98682063The trick is to just give your opponent's creatures abilities for the few tokens.I personally love my stupid bimbo druid wife, beating people to death with vanilla starter cards from 1995 is satisfying
I am tired of WotCeechu. Why couldn't he die in the fucking echoverse?
>>98682037>>98682117Oops.
>>98682127Be honest anon, absolutely no one is running this and helping other players
Even if I can look at them at any time, Oblivion Sower won't put in play stolen face down land cards from exile, right?
I think they should make a commander companion but limit it to just monocolor.
>>98682165"Cards that are face down in exile have no characteristics. Such cards can't be put onto the battlefield with Oblivion Sower's ability."
>>98682179Into the bin it goes
>>986821591 mana to give all my own shit haste is insane. Bear in mind I will have built my deck to better make use of haste than my opponents.
>>98682170MaRo is obsessed with hybrid and Companion was his pet project to try and make Standard more like Commander because he was genuinely peeved that a format that he was not involved in creating was massively more popular than anything he had ever done
>>98682127Oh no, however will i deal with an enchantment in selesnya colors
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
Fellas what's the consensus on attitude here>late night game>im on Captain Ngahthrod>player after me is on Adeline>I target him with Traumatize, hoping to get his Mondrak>while I'm searching his yard he scoops>no horror to reanimate>said I shouldn't be too mad since I essentialy cast a 5 mana "exile target player" spell and then logs off>I die before my next turn since the remaining two just focused me as my creatures were tapped outIs that just the dangers of playing a theft deck?
>>98682251"Instant-speed-scoop" will always be a huge issue theft decks have to face since cards owned by opponents cease to exist when they lose the game
>>98682225>if I'd posted an artifact you'd have said the same thing>if I'd posted a creature you'd have said Path to ExileWooooooah anon you cracked it! The perfect commander deck that never encounters a problem it can't solve, after all you always have it! Now all you have to do is take your deck out of this white room and be welcomed as the greatest Commander player of all time!
>>98682192Alright that’s going in my Kilo planeswalker deck
>>98682251Theft is for trannies so you get what you deserve, but that said it's big BM to scoop when other people depend on your presence at the table.I only scoop if the only think I'm contributing to the game is being a chunk of hit points to whittle down. If my presence affects the game in any appreciable way I'll just wait it out cos I'm not a colossal faggot for whom winning or losing a card game affects my emotional state
>>98682271>Everything I don't like is tranny
>>98682251This didn't happen, by the way.
>>98682283No, theft in particular. Trannies have a thing for violating the boundaries of others and forcing themselves into places and situations they can't be removed from. Theft is THE tranny strat. They're always hyper-autists who can name every Magic card ever printed and will gleefully cast something that allows them to search your deck, forcing you to sit in the cuck chair as they take their sweet time fumbling their grubby hands over your expensive cardboard.I don't know why I'm explaining this to you, since you are a tranny and you know this is exactly why you want to play theft.
Theft decks are just a crutch for bad deck builders. You can't build your own deck that can win so you pick a commander thats game plan is using everyone elses cards, you brainlessly shove a bunch of legendary clones/blink/copy abilities/Roaming throne and counterspells in and think you're the cleverest motherfucker ever, truth is, theft decks are the most cookie cutter shit imaginable and variance is in the negatives with them.
>>98682283>he keeps saying 'everything i don't like is tranny'>he never asks, 'do people even like trannies in the first place'
>>98682295Unfortunately the only Iron Maiden skins are Captain, Bruvac (who's in this deck but I guess regular mill with no reanimator theft is less salt-inducing?), and fucking Nekusar who I'm not sure can even be built in a way that doesn't make me archenemy from turn 1At least with Eddie Captain people usually leave him be on the board
>>98682295Whenever I play theft I always go>I cast bribery. You got Ulamog in your deck?>Yeah, which one?>The one that exiles libraries on attack>Fuck you niggerfag… sure you can have it :D
>someone might see that my proxies aren't real! Save me chang
>>98682295I play theft because it causes people like you to have complete meltdowns
Which commander is the most raped
>>98682385Thankfully my supplier's proxies are nearly impossible to distinguish from real cards ;^)
>>98682295I play theft because I like a bit of unpredictability in my tacticsCrabomination goes in and who knows what I will get?and Enslave can snatch a creature, who knows what big creature I'll be able to take
>>98682403gay bolas
https://moxfield.com/decks/YY7WxdwqSUWCEdp8KwsQFgCan i get some opinions on this list? Any spirits or tuck spells to recommend?
>>98682417Can't rape the willing
fracture is a cool set but recognizing blurbos from your favorite IP is doing an insane amount of heavy lifting in it, which is a mindset indistinguishable from a UB enjoyer
>>98682394>I play theft for the exact same reasons that trannies do, but I'm not a tranny!
>Why do you want to join the army, son?To rape, sir!
>>98682506Pretty insane>2 /edhg/ posters got story direction>A third one guest designed a card
>>98682512Huh?
>>98682491Keep melting down, that'll show me.
>>98682532Sorry it was 3.>Raven man>Mpreg Quintorious/Thalia>Gay BolasPlus an /edhg/ designed Madcap Jester. He was here talking about it a while ago.
>>98682555>Plus an /edhg/ designed Madcap Jester. He was here talking about it a while ago.Bullshit
>>98682565I don't know why you posted this.
>>98682575That's a real micro-celeb that posts here
>>98682428Conjurer’s closet and essence flux. Flicker birdy.
>>98682576Is he, or are you just a schizo?
Am I the asshole here, or are my friends just morons?>build my decks as b3, since friends want b3>always ensure my decks have a was to go full gas (e.g. constant cascade, card draw, ways to ramp and double mana, etc)>friends say I am not playing "honest" >they all durdle around and do shit like play a land each turn and play creatures on curveAm I wrong here? I just feel like a good deck should be pumping full speed ahead to do "its thing" ASAP.
>>98682304NTA but no, people do not
>>98682628the bracket system is nearly useless and your buddies sound like sore losers
>>98682628are you pulling infinite combos or overrunning before turn 6 regularly?
>>98682628They don't want to play 3s. They want to play 2s with game changes.
>>98682628>I just feel like a good deck should be pumping full speed ahead to do "its thing" ASAPYou're not wrong, but your deck is simply better than theirs by a wide margin. What you should do is point out the weaknesses of your deck and give them suggestions for cards that can hose your deck more reliably. If they want to get better, they will, but if they're going to continuing whining then you should be prepared to build a weaker deck that either has a weaker "thing" or takes longer to get going, or edit your current deck to slow it down a bit.
>>98682663I can't even give most decks like this the credit of being a 2. A 2 can be a very solid deck. The average b3 deck is more like a 1 with game changers.
>>98682628the average player would rather die than play a rule of law or fog.
>>98682037Im guessing she gets a decent ammount of wins?
>>98682658No combos or infinites, just strong synergy. And I CAN win by turn 5/6 if luck is on my side, but it's usually around 7-10.
>>98682845Post the list
>>98682845That seems on track for Bracket 3 then. Hell, a turn 8-10 win is Bracket 2 speed.
>>98682411>>98682385There's little honor in poverty. But lying about it is even worse.
>>98682856>inb4 seethe>>98682882Ironically the 8-10 turns is because I need to club everyone to death since they refuse to interact with each other.
>>98682902>they see you're running eldrazi>have probably rule 0 discussioned about your inclusion of the big Annihilator bois>they do not target you at the startIf they let you just ramp to stack cascade well i dont see how it isnt ggs go next for them every time
>>98682916That's literally the problem. They run ZERO interaction and do nothing to slow me down.
>>98682889I dig that guy's proxies too
>>98682927I have friends who also run no interaction."I just want to do the thing""Running interaction will help you do the thing.""Nah, it's gay "
>>98682628The jump between bracket 2 and 3 is the biggest in the system. In fairness it sounds like your friends are playing b2s with gamechangers, and that's the issue.Because b3 is more or less defined by the inclusion of gamechangers, if you're allowed to run 3 you might as well be running 3 instead of any number less than that.WotC really needs to fix the system with an equivalent of a 2.5, a deck with 1 gamechanger in it so it isn't getting hosed by overpowered 3s but also won't dunk on most 2s.That and add an extra turn to the predicted end of a bX game on the quick reference sheet. I am so fucking tired of watching players in b3 ask what turn it is, get confirmed that it's t6, and then doing the combo and ending the game. I don't know why Magic designers and influencers are so obsessed with repeating the most boring and linear parts of the game (turns 1-3) as often as possible. Turns 6-9 are the most interesting because there's just a wider variety of things a player can do
>>98682927Next time, let one of them try your deckIf you have another deck with some sort of disruption or interaction, bring that out and let them see how your deck folds to getting key pieces countered/removed
>>98682902one collector ouphe and its over
>>98682902How much do your friend's decks cost? Could just be a mana base difference as well.
>>98682506Are you building him too? I'm trying to make 6 cuts to my list. Any input is appreciated. I play at high budget table of bracket 4 bastards.https://archidekt.com/decks/25973618/hilarity_ensues
>>98682987I couldn't tell you, but my best guess would basically be that they're using precons and then "upgrading" them by literally fucking them up, adding a GC or two, and then saying they're b3.
>play TDC Zurgo>no game changers >no infinites>no tutors>unaltered precon mana base>get accused of playing a Bracket 4 deck because sometimes I draw Purphoros earlyBrackets are a meme
Here's your precon commander bro
>>98683062Fucking retarded.
>>98683070Is this another Niv that goes infinite with himself
>>98683082I like it, but cost way too fucking much
I hope the Avacyn anon is happy with this
>>98683047Every post like this that I see makes me more grateful that I have a table of obsessive turbo autist friends who know the game inside and out. We even have our own private website for player and game statistics to help developene our private meta. >>98683062This is disgusting even without access to green ramp.
>>98683102MY GIRL
>>98683115>Jesus Christ>oh ten mana>OH ARTIFACTS
>>98683049Stealth Bolas commander with that minus
>>98683115My dick
>>98683062Booba
Where is my color shifted goblins though?
>>98683122hell yeahHELL YEAH
>>98683115FUCK OFF1. It's the mirari - no happy endings 2. It's memnarch and mirari, therefor it's a do thing draw card He should've been some kind of genocide white artifact wizard
>>98683122>opponent swings with craterhoof>ephemerate
>>98683082OH SWEET MOTHER OF SUMMER THIS SLAPS
>>98683115Do things draw cards
>>98683102>>98683110I was really worried this anon wasn't going to get what he wanted and I am very happy for him
>>98683134HOW ABOUT ANOTHER MONOBLACK THEFT COMMANDER
What do we think bros?
>>98683141More Gingerbread commander
>>98683070Holy fucking busted. Thank god 6 CMC in orzhov might as well read "you may cast this card only once per game"
>>98683149HOW ABOUT ANOTHER ELDRAZI SUPPORT
I like these alternate versions of characters
>>98683165>ok but have her dressed like trinity and hide all of her curves>ok also make her green>ok also she stole jace's spark by choosing to trannify herself from jace, also jace realizes he's a cuck and his fanfic self insert is totally badass
>>98683081You would need a source that gives you life for each card your draw. The other Nivs deal damage.
>>98683154In response to your upkeep, I do funny things
>>98683074YES YES YES THIS IS WHAT I WANTED! YES FINALLY
>>98683182So one of the other Nivs+Basilisk Collar
>>98683169>The izzet saheeliFinally, a saheeli worth building, even though I already have a boros thopter decks.
>>98683134Why in the fuck is Jhoira black???? And I mean like black skin not black color identity. What the fuck did Jace mean by this?
>>98683185Wow just in time for the new Autumn Willow to get more support
>>98683134>has a sword, an artifact creature, and a book (saga)Cute
>>98683205This was the last new one shown btw
>>98683202Multiversal blackface
>>98683160>still no fucking book commander
>>98683205Wow straight up wincon for wanking Jace throughout the game
Goodbye Jace, you'll not be remembered
>>98683165I like Tam a lot but I hoped they'd do something more interesting with her. Her ECL card was really cool and I was hoping they'd do this whole thing of her sort of breaking the rules because she's from the Echoverse, but her SOS was just landfall sloppa, and now her FRA card is just superfriends sloppa. Boring as fuck design
>>98683182So like this?
>>98683165The transition was a success
>>98683179>>ok also she stole jace's spark by choosing to trannify herself from jaceThis meme will never catch on because transferring a spark does not transfer anything about its holders identity
>>98683177Same. Shame they fucking killed the Echoverse and we will never see any of these versions again except Tam, and the next time they want to Planar Chaos they will have to contrive a reason for it instead of just revisiting the Echoverse.
>>98683149>colorless>keep mana>LANDFALL>CAN TRIGGER CASCADE DUE TO 7CMCMY GOD WELCOME TO THE ZHULODOK SQUAD
>>98683226No shut up, everyone knows that Karn is actually Venser
>>98683082
>>98683062what the fuck? those tits are huge! How did those pass QC? Are lesbians allowed massive racks?
>>98683253Evil Loot found her and gifted her bigger boobs
>>98683230Just ask mommy Emmy to vomit the plane out.
>>98683205>Press X to JaceYou know what? Fuck it I'm making a Jace Tribal deck just for the shitpost factor. It's a shame >>98683049 doesn't have green, because that would be the easiest gg ever with all of green's doublers.
After buying two precons, I want to try building my own EDH deck. Im currently between:>Evereth>Judith, Caranage Connoisseur >Pharika Trying to expand on the colors I play and I thought Rakkdos or Golgari could be fun. Which do you guys think i should build out?
>>98683134Does Jhoira have the fucking Blackblade
>>98683268I like Evereth personally she's one of my favorite commanders
>>98683195Yeah but at that point you could have just run 2 good Nivs in the same colors.
>>98683224Yes that would work.
>>98683180This can get so much value for 3 mana.
>>98683268Rakdos is fun as fuck. You can also do the suicide bomb setup with Evereth if you want to be funny.>get Chandra's Ignition in the 99>build Evereth up>cast Ignition to bonk everyone>sac Evereth to herself>pay the 2>NOOKThe red damage doublers also help with this plan.
>>98683032Yeah, that explains most of it. They probably need to actually upgrade their decks in a meaningful way.
>>98683284And shit typo. I meant to say sac Evereth to Ashnod or another source. Sac your little guys TO Evereth.
>>98683273Yea, besides being a qt vampire i think her treasure token gameplay seems pretty fun and unique to what ive played before. >>98683284I like Chandra a lot, so I would happily add a chandra based nuke to my deck
>>98683102SURE AMBUILDING A DECK FOR HER RIGHT NOW
Even without infinite combos, new Niv is insane with the millions of random life gain cards. Niv+Soul Warden by itself will be a pain in the ass. I am surprised they didn't slap that cursed text on there "this ability triggers only once each turn"
>>98683074Is that... MILL!? AND EMINENCE??? IN THE COMMAND ZONE??? AIEEEE SAVE ME SHELDON!!!!
>>98683292I feel dumb saying it but it took me a bit to realize I can sac multiple treasures with her effect. For a time I would do it one by one for some reason. Just make sure you aren't as retarded as me if you build her
>>98683303He's going to be a fucking baller that has infinite draw like all the other Nivs. So far the reveals we got are nutty. Omnath being the ultimate Eldrazi piece is bonkers too.
>>98683074Good luck ramping out all the way in esper
>>98683301And don't forget, theft.
>>98683315you know all those two and three mana ramp spells green decks use? replace them with the best two and three mana rocks. oh my god, that was so hard. so difficult.
>>98683272Wondered the same, maybe the set will have a alt version of it
>>98683315Have you played with eminence before lil bro
Sphinx's Approach looks very powerful
I don't really care too much for empower Jace, but otherwise this set looks really interesting
>>98683365yes, it's actually probably one of the most powerful cards for Commander ever printed. I don't think people understand just how strong and unlimited number of three mana instant draw two cards is with zero downside. you can run zero sphinxes and the card can still slot into a lot of decks. spell slinger decks are going to be extremely obnoxious if they start running 10 to 15 sphinxes approaches. I'm not even exaggerating, it's incredibly powerful, instant speed, 3 mana, draw two cards zero downsides. just put it in one of a many commanders that reduces the cost of instant spells
>>98683372>I don't really care too much for empower JaceIt's a deliberate attempt to sabotage the set, yeah. No one in their right fucking mind would say:>hey you know what we should do? put the same fucking effect on a hundred cards in this set regardless of color identity, and we won't even have it create different payoffs like say Blight- no it'll just be the exact same fucking effect with a different numberThey could have written "Empower Planeswalker" and then still crammed the Jace tokens in some other way
Pleasantly surprised by how much the precon seems to actually commit to a theme and go with it out of the box. Every creature has a CMC of 6 or higher to guarantee a solid hit with the polymorph on Jace's -3 and the two Polymorph spells and there are a bunch of token producers to generate cheap sac fodder.I don't know if the deck is good and the reprints are pretty underwhelming outside of Flawless Maneuver but I like that it's got a gameplan beyond goodstuff slop like so many other precons.
>>98683365It's much better than Dragon's Approach, since 3 mana for drawing two actually makes it a solid spell just by itself. Plus Blue has easier ways to dump extra copies in the graveyard, so you can fetch a Sphinx that just draws you even more cards.
>>98683327Ramp... that isn't land-related!? Impossible!
>>98683383It's only powerful now because they haven't had time to make the baseline 'draw 2' effect instant speed. Quick Study shows (and this card) shows that they are okay with it and you can bet that, just like we saw a billion Divination + marginal upside we are going to see a billion Draw 2 + upside at instant speed for 2U or 1UU in the next couple of years.
>>98683397But what are you casting first in order to flip into the big boys
>>98683417The billion token spells.4 of 6 enchantments, 2 of 16 artifacts, 4 of 14 Instants (technically 5 with Stroke of Midnight but I'm not counting that) and 4 of 5 sorceries create tokens.
>>98683397Yea, im hyped too. Heres hoping its just as good as the previous decks we have been getting because they have been knocking it out of the park
>>98683397As a big mana enjoyer, you are going to hate having a hand of unplayables that you really wish were in your library. I dunno maybe they'll include pic related
>>98683440The list is out on wizards website. Basically runs every damn rock in the colors
>>98683449That really isn't enough to help. Waste your turns casting rocks. If you want to ramp into a big mana deck instead of having multiple ways to cheat, it needs to be treasures
>>98683449Looks like it's basically mulligan until you have Skrelv's Hive, Dreadhorde Invasion, or Staff of the Storyteller or you don't get get to do the thing
>>98683460The commander is the way to cheat. You're not supposed to be ramping, you're supposed to make cheap tokens then flip them into haymakers
>>98683074holy flying fuckI've always wanted to play the white sphinxes in Uneshwill I dare to betray my old friend Unesh for this...I'm not sureit's not even better than Unesh for sphinx tribal
>>98683471>The commander is the way to cheat.Buddy boy, I'm fucking aware. You're not always going to have that option and then you're sitting around with your thumb up your ass holding four 6 mana creatures in hand that you can't cast for 2 more turns because you have to shit out mana rocks to do it.
>>98683154>white extra turn spell that sends you to gay baby jailit's bad but it's funny
>>98683070Actually a really cool design.
>>98683482that's what mulligans are for
>>98683169did they really rename the indian plane to avisaar
>>98683268Evereth is fun as hell but I can't get over the ai swordBuy/proxy a Hatred tho
>>98682251>Is that just the dangers of playing a theft deck?Yes. Most archetypes have flaws associated with them, most obviously Voltron. This is just a flaw of playing theft.
>>98683498Yeah mull in your precon with all those tapped lands.It's fine if you don't want to listen to me, but I am right, you are going to see that I am right if you ever play this deck, and you don't have to keep arguing with me if nothing I could possibly say will change your mind.
The Precon looks neat, but it seems more like a bundle of cards to make their own decks rather than a singular gameplan.
>>98683460It is a shame it doesn't have green considering the high CMC of the deck
>>98683516I'm not going to play it, it's not Mardu
>>98683517Good for me. I'll pick up a couple of the legends and then a bunch of those token-shitting reprints. I'll take a Mass Polymorph too, first time it's getting printed with the modern frame>>98683523No because honestly WotC will screw you with that exactly like they did the Ashling precon. A bunch of shitty tapped lands, then a disproportionate number of Forests and ways to ramp into basics or green enchantments that make lands tap for more mana or other colors of manaWhat they should do is stop being so fucking stingy and give 4c+ decks a good mana base (I'm not even saying optimal, but just stop giving them the worst fucking tapped lands ever printed) and some good ramp and ritual effects.It's an absolute joke, WotC pretends not to acknowledge the secondary market, and yet precons are clearly always designed to an approximate price point so you never get TOO much value out of them.
>>98683517The game plan is making tokens with low cost spells then flipping those tokens into big beaters with Jace
are people being retarded on purpose? why are some people acting like ramp outside of green is not existent? there's even creatures that are colorless, artifact creatures, that cost two mana and they tap for mana. there are even a few mana rocks that turn into creatures....
>>98683169that saheeli is so simple yet stupid good
>>98683554He's saying there's no synergy among the beaters fuckwit. They're very obviously an attempt to cram in more colorshifted legendaries, they don't have any cohesion at all
>>98682743Rule of law is fucking based though, it's how you can still do battlecruiser decks without going full Stax
>>98683561Is it? Seems like a worse Kykar
>>986829642.5 would be a perfect level of balance, one game changer seems like a great compromise between b2 and b3 since one decent tutor lets your deck do thing with a bit more polish
>>98682628>>98682964Why don't we just do what Genesis format in Yugioh does where gamechanger-equivalent cards have a point value based on how strong they are, and then each bracket can have a point cap going higher with the brackets? cEDH would be uncapped points of course.
>>98683194HUH?
>>98683596I think they call that Canadian Highlander or some shit
>>98683560thran dynamo is too slow!!
>>98683586Yes I agree the game is way better balanced when it's all about finding Rhystic/TOR.
>>98683596Because the average EDH player is borderline retarded. Look at all the people playing b1 decks in b3, then consider that a point system means asking these people to do basic addition when making their decks
>>98683582well, yeah Kykar's bettermy mind kinda goes to two colors as a condition since I don't like the aesthetic divergence of 3c decksin other words, autism
>>98683165was expecting a flip walker with wubrg being the cost for it but this is significantly more annoying
>>98683160I like it.
>>98683115>no affinity to artifactsBIG SAD
>>98683564The synergy among the big beaters is that they make you drown in card advantage and win the game in short order.Reanimation decks don't need the reanimation targets to synergize with each other. The synergy happens in getting out a 10 mana beatstick on turn 4. >>98683440It's a 'combo' deck not a ramp deck. View it like you would reanimator. If you don't like that make a ramp deck. The deck includes Brainstorm, a bad copy of Brainstorm, and Jace's +1 puts a card from your hand onto the bottom of your library. There's more redundancy than I expected from an unmodified precon.>>98683462Or Lingering Souls or Windcrag Siege or Secure the wastes or Occult Epiphany or White Sun's Twilight
>>98683115Does this function as a commander?
>>98683752It's a mid deck most notable for the new commanders it has spawned. You are going to be so fucking disappointed at how poorly it plays out of the box lol
>>98682491So you admit trannies cause you to have autism meltdowns?>>98682628Your friends are bad and should feel bad. The point of deckbuilding is to make a deck that does the thing it wants to do as much as possible and get the most value out of doing that thing
>>98683268Juri, Master of the Revue is another fun Rakdos sac wincon.Don't sleep on the "when X dies, return it to the battlefield" black instants with these kinds of cards either.
>Niv: when you gain life you pay that much to draw ghat many cards Oh boy. Lots of fun cards that I can finally fuck around with my Isperia deck
>>98683115That's some good nostalgiaI remember having the original of this guy and putting in my first precon deck It was arcbounds and it did nothing for the deck, barely worked and couldn't use his abilities against the people I played against but it was cool
Commander damage should be 40, 21 is way too low in an age where it's easier than ever to make creatures unblockable.At 40 it would still serve the function of keeping lifegain decks from becoming unbeatable by non-combo decks, but it also would have you getting randomly oneshot by bullshit less often.Winning through commander has functionally become the same as winning with an infect oneshot, except much easier to pull off.
>>98683962extremely flaming hot dogshit retard takethe worst part? I completely agree
>>98683962Wow, STILL bitching about Voltron? Literally run fogs and edicts, if you die to a Voltron deck, it literally your own fault.
>>98683799I've been wanting to do orzhov life gain for a while and I think I might've found the deck. Besides him the new Nissa might be my first 4c deck
>>98683962Awww little timmy died to combat damage?
>>98683978>just play green or black
>>98683988No to commander damage, regular combat damage is fine.Tifa is also a bad example here because she doesn't even need commander damage to work
>>98683989Fogs AND edicts exist in white as well, retard-Kun. Like I said before, the tools to overcome your problems already exist, you're just to stubborn and stupid to make use of them. It's sad you're like this.
>>98683988does anyone have the aislop Yshtola card with her ass up?
>>98683102Aw yeah new Avacyn.>>98683122Makes me chuckle that they found a way to translate his demonic horns and helmet into white. I'm liking a lot of these commander spoilers.
>>98684054Surely someone can make that sort of thing without needing AI, using existing art
>>98684054Bruh just look up danbooru-there’s tons of ass art of her
>>98683141We love gingerbread, don't we, folks?
>>98683962Commander damage is vestigial. It's not serving as a needed check against lifegain (lifegain is probably bottom 5 archetypes in strength), and it's not really a necessary tool to make voltron viable (voltron doesn't really get better with/without it, although it's still stronger than lifegain). I honestly see it as nothing more than a cockblock that gets in the way of MY voltron deck dealing 1400 damage because they die the second time I connect.
>>98684054
Hot take: commander damage should also count noncombat damage it deals
Is it me or is this card and incredible turn one play? It effectively doubles your mana throughout the game for one colorless.
>zoomie:>is old card known to be very strong for a long time... like good???
>>98683764>A mid deckHoly shit it doesn't compete with bracket 4 out of the box? We need to burn down WotC.
>>98684228This is retarded because she’s supposed to have a tail. >>98683962It should also include non-combat damage.>>98683185>krakenClearly an Octopus but at least it looks decent unlike the shitty hydra. >>98683062Will buy because boobs.
Is it just going to be One commander deck like the Ninja Turtles set, or multiple for reality fracture?
>>98684239The problems with Aether vial are as follows:1) It is only an incredible turn 1 or 2 play and is a dead draw at any point after that.2) It is card disadvantage.3) It requires a specific CMC to be built around. The ability doesn't worth on X or less, but exactly X.It is shit in commander but used to be pretty great in modern and legacy. I wasn't around when it was standard legal but I imagine that given everything else going on in Mirrodin block, it wasn't the most impactful card around.
>>98684229Holy based
>>98684278That makes sense. The exact mana cost could be worked around. I’ll mess with it in my white weenie deck that has lots of small casting cost creatures.
>>98683074Holy shit they actually did it they actually fcuking did it
>>98684229Wait. It doesn’t count!? So when Zo-Zu triggers it’s not commander? Shit.
>>98683074Will skeleton man get his dream come true next?
>>98683102Neat
>>98683962My brother in Christ literally just bring this against Voltron
>>98684195You're wrong, Voltron to get to 21 and then building around defense and negation is way easier than building up to 40 or whatever in addition to the defensive cards
>>98683102Kind of wish she was white black but still cool she's back. Wonder if there will be a new Sigarda or Liesa alongside her
>>98683194I'm just going to assume some kind of bullshit can be done with this and I'm preemptively calling it one of the chase cards because if that.
I'm glad this upcoming set has some fun cards. Shame Gideon's card is kinda ass since he's one of my favorites
>>98684263It's a middling bracket 2 depending on how much removal your opponents are running, and that's it.Oh by the way, I cast pic related- no free creatures :) Your precon...only has 4 creature removal spells...?
>>98684392Most (the ones not built by idiots) Voltron decks have some kind of hexproof effect anon.
>>98683074So there's a sphinx lord....but no fucking Monk lord?Fuck you, wizards. I'm going to play a few more games of hearthstone out of spite.
>Everyone's favorite legendaries are coming back>Even some of the dead ones>No Krenko or any other legendary goblinI sleep.
>>98684404If you're building for 11x6 you're resilient enough that you'll be able to keep going from there. I only ever hear this cope from people that barely manage to kill one person before they get their commander removed and they start floundering.
>>98684430You know who didn't get a card? That's right. Them. Maybe even the most deserving. But no. Wotc couldn't overcome their religious idiosyncrasies to allow my boys a time to shine. God forbid the Obzedat be allowed to experience a world where a Beautiful Black Kween didn't done kilt them like they're a little white girl on public transit. God forbid we undo that act of Progress if only for a gimmick card in a commander product to make a little chuddy like me feel a little warmth. A White boy can't get a little nostalgic? Pfft, can't make the wrong people happy lest Ribbit visit their wrath on wotc like the Abigensians did (justifiably) to the Cathars of old.
>>98684229Yeah absolutely fucking not, noncombat is WAY easier to deal than combat damage. Kediss turning any commander into a table wipe off a single hit is retarded.
>>98682295I play theft because it allows me to spend $0.50 and get to play $50. I don't feel bad about it, because you put it there, and you had no problem using it against the rest of us.
>>98683081Catholic Niv believes masturbation is a sin
>>98684532It's not that i have a problem sum you using it, but that you don't bother to wash your hands before you do and you pull my cards out of the sleeves
>>98684479What could they do with Krenko? Blue nerd who follows all the rules and is a moralfag?
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror-MakerTap to create a copy of an artifact or something idk
>>98684592General Krenko. Mono White, makes big piles of Soldier tokens
>>98683175How is this not just a better afoul Shatter in decks that don't care about Instant/Sorceries...?
>>98684592Krenko, the great constable. 3WWWhen krenkp enters, note the number of creatures on the battlefield. As long as krenko is the battlefield, only that many creatures may be on the battlefield and creatures can not enter that battlefield after that number is met.3/3Its pretty easy to come up with something, and something more interesting than this.
>>98684532>I don't feel bad about it, because you put it there, and you had no problem using it against the rest of us.Not the issue. LIterally explained word for fucking word in the post you are replying to what the problem is. Go ahead and read that since you didn't before you replied
Leremy, Breaker of ChainsgGgGgCreature - badass8/3Super trample (thorn elemental)Monogreen spells you cast have bypass the stack and resolve immediately.Whinehard 3 - Whenever a player whines, draw 3 cards, make 3 treasures, then counter all spells and abilities your opponents control.>what’s wrong bitchking? Green doesn’t use stack interaction
>>98684493they're a bunch of izzet scientist nerds in jace's new reality prease understand
>>98684479Any Bolas cards (I'm the other Bolas fan that isn't a gay retard)?
>>98684651>Cast this>Start whining>Draw is not a "may">You can't respond to your own trigger>You draw 3 cards>I start bawling like a trans woman of color>You keep drawing 3 cards over and over. You never get priority because the ability keeps triggering over and over as I keep whining>You lose due to drawing from an empty library
>>98684684None yet. Jace isn't really making copies of big bads anyway. I'm sure WotC would say they're too powerful to be echoverse'd or some shit if you asked
>>98684684Oxymoron. If you like dragons you're gay.
>>98684685You can respond to your own trigger, it says green spells you illiterate dipshit. Why the fuck so I bother posting my marvelous ideas just for you to FAIL to read. Seriously. You can’t even greentext right. What’s next blueplayer? Going to swan song an artifact or try to exile a nonblue card for your crutches?
>>98682964>That and add an extra turn to the predicted end of a bX game on the quick reference sheet. I am so fucking tired of watching players in b3 ask what turn it is, get confirmed that it's t6, and then doing the combo and ending the game.B3 is actually turn 7+ if you read gavin's oct 25 2025 article, the '2-card combo t6' is with a caveat that it's 'inconsistent enough', good luck defining that though
>>98684493They didn't get a card because they're fucking dead in the echoverse too. Niv Mizzet bought a seat of power when he died and bankrupted each of them.
>>98682063blocks with insect token SCUTED
>>98684709Don't care. You never get to cast anything to begin with as I am already crying. Thus you can't begin the process of casting anything because I'm adding more triggers to the stack.
>>98684733If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t be trying ti autistically turn ‘whinehard’ keyword into a wincon
>>98684695But dragons are some of the most fun creatures to throw at my PCs in TTRPGs.
Use-case?
>>98684760When the attacking player is focusing on your planeswalker?
>>98684749I'm already whining right now. Before you ever even thought of casting it I already put a trigger on the stack. You're DONE.
Token decks will love this
>>98684770Does that even work? I think all it does is fuck over Trample.
>>98684760trample and deathtouch
>>98684760Disables trample and soft-blocks menace
>>98684781Ooooh that's gonna be a fucking expensive card
>>98684781>powercrept black market Jfc
>>98684781Immediately going into my funny emara deck >>98684787Ah, i thought it was a redirect. No you’re right, it’s solely for fucking with trample
>>98684781>3 mana do nothingit's shito
>>98684760Gang blocking i guess, make them deal all yhe damage to 1 guy?Art is cool af
>>98684781I guess I need to turn this 2 into just a b4 big mana atristocrats deck. I was already thinking about it, and now I think its a full gone conclusion.
>>98684812Isn’t the combat damage effect solely for after the creatures attack (trample damage goes through or not) or is it read as a redirect all damage to other goobers
>>98684819sephiroth is so lucky
>>98684830Works like Banding on blocks. You know how Banding works right?
>>98683106>>98683092Love how no one gives two shits about these niggas
>>98684819It's amusing that new Massacre Girl synergizes with the original Massacre Girl, but why the fuck is Rescue Girl only on my turn? Arguably the least fucking useful time to activate such an effect. I could just flicker instead for the same outcome in 99% of cases. No one is board wiping on my turn, which is about the only time bounce to hand would matter more than flicker.Is sitting on the fucking board not telegraphing the effect enough to remove the restriction????
>>98684695ok scalie
Should I buy the RF booster box…or save the money.Hmmmm7 I buy the booster box 4 I buy the collector box Any other number I buy singles
>>98684855it should also have flash and haste
>>98684830>you block a 3/3 with a 1/1 and a 2/2>you can force the 3/3 to assign all its damage to the 1/1, saving the bigger guysame goes with deathtouch>a 2/2 blocked by two 1/3's could kill both by assigning one damage each but you force it to assign 2 damage to only one of them, saving the other
>sea of clouds, morphic pool, vault of champions, and training center didn't show up in the jace commander deck>wotc gave us 3 out of the 5 ally color turbulent lands insteadguess this confirms that the remaining battlebond lands will be in the UB sets next year
>>98684866OoohThat’s pretty neat-it’s pretty niche still but that’s interesting
>>98684863Doesn't even need haste, they have printed exactly that effect already without the tapWhich makes it all the more confusing and annoying that they've limited it to your own turn
>>98684881it needs haste for the tap abilityit needs the tap ability to be repeatable
Urza, Gigachad of timeRRGG12/12Obliterate 2 - if a player controls a phyrexian or eldrazi, exile all permanents that player controls.Whenever an opponent would sacrifice a creature, or put a -1/-1 counter on a permanent you control, or pay life as an additional casting cost, or proliferates, or owns a permanent with ‘yawgmoth’ in the name, Urza puts a plastic bag over that players head and tightens the plastic bags neck vice. At the beginning of that player’s upkeep, that player is allowed to breathe again, take the bag off
Girl of Runes WCreature - Human ClericT: Return target permanent you control to its owner's hand.1/1This would not be a terrible card.
>>98684899Boy of runesR2/2T: target player returns all cards in his or her hand that was not there at the beginning of the step to the card’s previous zone.
>>98684880It also lets you spread damage so none of it is lethal. So a 3/3 with Menace attacks and you can choose to block it with 3 2/2s. Normally the attacking player would choose to kill one of the 2/2 defenders but now you can assign one damage to each, letting all three live.
Anons, I want to make a deck with a hot mtg character but there’s too many goddamn cards. I ask for your recommendations and assistance
>>98684939squee grand booba
>>98684947I need to redo it.
>>98683268Have you thought of Jund?
>>98684947>>98684960Sorry but I’m super racist against gobbos. Not for any race reasons, but because a buddy sent me to goblin hell with krenko
>>98684886>it needs the tap ability to be repeatableIn the best colors for flicker and blink? No. You could just flicker Whitemane for the exact same shit, instead of imagining some fantasy land where WotC are going to print haste on monowhite purely so you can blink a tap creature insteadAnyway all of this is besides the point that the effect shouldn't only be on your turn and this makes it borderline unusable. There's definitely SOME things you could do with it, but the whole point of bounce to hand on your own permanents is to dodge non-targeting things like board wipes, almost all of which are sorcery speed and not going to happen on your turn anyway
>>98684939Angels are an obvious place to look. Avacyn, Basandra, Akroma come to mind there.If you like anime art or any of the female planeswalkers, your options increase substantially.
>>98684939Toes
>>98684996>>98685008Will give those options a look-thanks!
>>98684960You need to kill yourself
Wait so did Jace cuck Urza with the whole making a new universe thing?
>>98685016Have another toe
>>98684939
>>98684414Probably not until Return to Return to Return to Innistrad: What the Fuck Happened to the Moon
>>98684819>target permanentHuh. You can return lands!
>>98683102deathtouch on large bodies is so lame and yet wotc STILL won't put deathtouch + trample on them
>>98685008>>98685040safe horny shit
>>98685113I can assure you my horniness for Kaalia is very unsafe
>>98685113I can assure you my horniness for Skithiryx is very unsafe
>>98685113>safe horny shitaka, cowardice
>>98684939This is why I made this deck
>>98684758>He keeps throwing dragons at players secretly hoping one of them successfully manages to seduce it, therefore forcing him to "ironically" roleplay gay sex with dragons
>>98685137not sure if gay or haremcuck
>>98685158Obviously by the shadow he’s a goomba
>>98685162
>>98685137too many enchantresses are cast not enter
>>98685137This is actually brilliant in a way that makes me hate you.
Can I use this with something that redirects the target and makes an opponent discard their hand by chance?
>>98685190no
How is?
>>98685195Damn. Still using it for my pet deck just for the novelty and to throw shit into the graveyard
>>98685137you're missing THE sexiest mtg character ever drawn>me on the right btw
>>98685190you can copy it with hive mind then counter yours with a creature's counter ability
>>98685204I dig your vibe friend
>>98685207>checks it Holy shit this is funny-appreciate the rec. this will be funny to pull off
>>98683160>perfect opportunity to finally do something with all those errata'd books>don't do it but still make something pretty fucking cool insteadI'm so fucking mad but also kinda stoked cuz there's finally a "prepares your shit in the command zone" commander
>>98683160>>98685215>commander printed for a mechanic that's in a total of two setsthis is actually a vast improvement vs cards of late that only have mechanics in a single set
>>98685222You're preaching to the choir, man. I've wanted to build rad counter/mutate decks for a long while now, but there's not enough support for either
I just like 1c or 0c commanders with 3c+ CI
>>98685229Dunno when the fuck rad will ever return but surely the X-Men set will have some mutate support
>>98685238For me I like playing commanders with funny bullshit to it ala my Mothman deck with a random atraxa in it or my East India Trading Company Kenway deck.
>>98685245it's east ashivkar trading company now chud
>>98685251>retypes my deck name on moxfield
>>98685211Taimanin UB would be so peak
>>98685243Rad had the perfect way to return with the fucking EVERYTHING IN SPACE SET GODDAMMIT but it didn't and I will never stop being mad about it.
>>98685255An NTR deck would just be a theft deck and you already have that ninjutsu bitch. You theoretically can make a Taimanin deck already, probably
I play with Randos, how do you guys deal with people who don't talk or just solitaire their cards?
>>98685265just do it
>>98685265randomly tap lands during other people’s turns and make a joke to break the ice
>>98685265By not playing with severely autistic people that don't/refuse to announce their cards and what they do. I'm fine if you just blast through a shitload of triggers like a superfriends/saga/lifegain deck (as long as you narrate each one so the table knows what's going on) but you better fucking announce the shit you're casting/cheating out or I'm scooping
>>98685281>Guy my my regular pod used to always say "I kill your commander/creature">Didn't really think much of it>Then one day he said he was killing my commander, and a turn later I looked through his graveyard to see some options for a card and realized there was nothing in his graveyard that could target anything, period, other than vandal blast.Not making that mistake ever again.
>>98685265Just have to deal with it sometimes. Luckily I usually have 1-2 other steady people to play with so we're only rolling the dice on one or two people most nights and its usually fine. There was one night we got repeatedly killed by a guy doing solitaire infinite combos turn 4 when we were all playing altered precons but we did tell him to bring anything. You'd just think he'd get bored but nope time of his life.
>>98685259I have a friend with that exact same takeaway and he looked so sad when edge of eternity was fully revealed and didn't have any Rad mechanics. Hang in there, maybe that Kaiju set they're doing in May
>>98685297I hope to god there’s an ultraman expy in the kaiju set
>>98685021Why would I give you what you want at this point?
>>98685325I look like and do this
>>98685348proof?
>>98685348a/s/l?
>>98682565oh, btw, he trooned out
>>98685325I’ve been in this general for two days and I have decided you are my enemy
>>98685449And I have decided you are my friend.
>>98685265I play a lot of removal, so they're often forced to say something regardless.
How many Dragon's Approach should I run in a Neheb deck based around it?Are the Firebending cards worth using?
>>98682295I love making players sit in the cuck chair while I play their favorites better than they ever could.That being said most anti theft players are trans so congratulations on your eventual transition
>>98684760Trample, deathtouch, let's you portion damage so if you have multiple two two's nothing dies.It's the defensive part of bandingFor W turning off trample with a 1/1 token is worth it
>>98682295>>98682271>>98682251>>98682283I like theft, but I don't like passing around people's cards at the table so I don't play it. I don't want Cheeto fingers to fuck my cards up, someone to rip a sleeve somehow, or end up stealing my card or I stealing theirs.Maybe I'll make one of those "You may noncreature card from X players graveyard to cast it for free" commanders since then you are theft without moving cards around.
What is the most rage-inducing card you play according to your pod.>pic related
>>98685523I thought the Xenagos player was going to whip his dick out and start shooting kidney stones at me, dude was pissed.
>>98685523I really don't understand why. I have to slow down my game play to protect myself by keeping up mana, but like, holy shit. Just remove it or attack me with more shit than I have mana to reduce. They act all doom and gloom because now I "can't be attacked" and start to durdle while not attacking each other, or doing anything besides digging for farewell because its the only thing any of them run for exile artifacts because I might just suntitan out at some point when its my only recursion of any kind in my deck.
>>98685552Based. I always wanted this card, but it was always just a bit too expensive.
>>98685214Why do just that with Hivemind when you can do >>98684887?And the best part is, you don't even have to counter yours, because of how the stack works, all the Hivemind copies of it resolve first.
>>98685588The image in >>98684887, I should clarify. Not the text.
>>98685582Ive wanted it for literally a decade. I just finally pulled the trigger last year. If you can get one, do so friend.Or proxy.
>>98685621I've got four more dual lands to acquire before I can even think about it. I don't care about what anyone says, but if you don't have an elite mana base your deck isn't craving better spells. Fetches and duals, my guy. Fetches and duals.
>>98685582We got Forcefield at home.
>>98685653duals are just to flex, shocks are more than good enough
>>98685702>card is called aura but isn't an aura>flavor text denies good an ontology
>>98685449https://files.catbox.moe/ip2ukz.pngOkay.
>>98685325what will Mox Jasper be?
>>98685831Wasn't planning on making one, but probably something like this, just with a goblin and a big ass pendant.
>>98685860uhhh???? booooba doubters? our response?
>>98685325>>98685790>>98685860you are a pedophile , giving children tits just so you can pretend they are not children
>>98685744Naw bra. Naw. That two life can add up when you're playing a bunch of draw spells that drain life. Sylvan Library or that one Market card.
>>98685908This anon never heard of shortstack
>>98684449>The precon is in the bracket designed around being for preconsAieeee save me rosewater sama!To clarify, you are playing a single copy of a card that hoses my deck but are saying that me having 'only' 4 times as many answers as you have hosers is a problem? There are also significantly more than 4 creature removal options in the precon but I assume you haven't looked at the decklist on account of you being retarded.
>>98685988It's LARP. He's always allowed to have the 1-of but you're never allowed to have removal or protection.
What cards give extra end steps other than blue cat?
>Draw 17 lands in 25 cardsthis is fine
>>98686033Extra turn cards
>>98682929Saus
>>98682929ThurgoProxyCards on etsy
>>98684819>not doing a massive lmao mass resurection
i genuinely do not understand why anyone runs this as a commander besides the art is fucking fantastic
Hurkyl, Atemsis, or Lier for my mono blue deck?
I think this teferi spell would work as a black spell
>>98686126All teferi spells are black spells
>>98686123Emry
>>98686107she cute
>>98686126shouldn't it be a blue spell since teffers used to be blue imo
The precon commanders are just.... lmao>5 mana draw 1 card Or>7 mana do-nothing
>>98686234me in the middle
>>98686147I don't need a 4th artifact deck
>>98686276NEW>>98686276NEW>>98686276NEW
Maybe I'm retarded but what is the fucking point of Teferi's isolation that silence couldn't typically achieve aside from maybe one turn where tokens can't swing at you
>>98686286It's mass land denial and not allowed in our pod.
>>98685423Who, Elk?
>>98686107It's just a good think to blink in your command zone if you're building monowhite blink
>>98685158it's Selesnya. of course it's gay
Big yikes energy
>>98686858You tell me.
