Lust provoking image editionPrevious thread: >>98664570>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/Qiwij4PJ>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: Just how many titan legions were founded for killing their forge world's giant monsters?
Regarding Legion Kill Teams/Spec Ops the World Eaters could use one of my favourites from Khârn: Eater of Worlds The Bloodborn. Legionaries that have given in to the iconic fatalism of the world eaters and no longer wish to continue. They swear a death oath to complete one last task and they perform it silently and methodically.
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Continuing the Horus Heresy kill team mod discussion, what sizes should various team archetypes be? I think Solar Aux should be 10/14, scouts should be 7, marines and thallax should be 6, terminators (if allowed) should be 4 at absolute most.
>>98675741>iconic fatalismMaybe I’m not as well versed in WE fluff, but were they known to be fatalistic? Sounds more like RG moritats than blood thirsty berserkers.
>>98675727>Lust provoking imageThat's not a warbringer's ass, or a night lord land raider
>>98675784Isn’t KT usually based on msu squad sizes?
>>98675796NTA but KT marine squads of all types are almost always 6 operatives. The scout squad is 9. 5 op teams are very rare and the most elite teams in the game, I think there's only one marine team with 5 guys (deathwatch)
The cool part about having standing formations in a campaign is it makes the formations narrative. I.e you have some tertiary auxilia chaff with you for a mission that could join your forces in future battles if they stand.I think the play is for players to create their armies as normal at the start of the campaign with those being initial formations. As those take losses they can be reinforced, gain new formations etc based on narrative and mission results.
>>98675727We got any advice on how to make combi grenade launchers?
>>98675784Just use the Cadian Kashrikin (spelling?) rules for solar aux and Chaos Legionaries for marines.No termies.
>>98675972Use the teleport backpack antenna from the Grey Knight kit.
Alphachads, we're eating good this friday.
>>98676195If you call yourself alpha, ur a beta.
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>>98675972Cawl's got you :)
>>98676239Actually, I'm Omega
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>>98676444>the bolts go through the grenade launcher
>>98676481This is the only logical way
>>98676481Gunlets Meanwhile, rifle grenades are cool, but they're too orky for imperial use. Melta guns are orky too.
>>98676515To be fair they're space marines, they're already perfect pitchers.True American Space Marines.
I want to make a Mechanicum list. 3000 pts. One Magos with Myrmidons to assault the center, two Cybernetica Techpriests with Castellax on the sides.What should I capture the enemy's home objective with?What should I control my own DZ's objective with?If I were to get another character, where should I put him?
Reposting my proposed homebrew from last thread >Sire of the (X) gives actual army buffs beyond turn 1>-1D Critical Hit (4+) on disintegrators>Some ICs let you deep strike an entire detachment in one go>Skimmers can always use Heavy (X)>Adding combat speed back (if vehicle moves less than half, 1 battle weapon and all defensive weapons get Heavy (X)>being able to give up Duellist's Edge on charnabals for improved breaching and a unique gambitNew shit:>Models with Battlesmith (X) can reduce Overload by 1 by passing an Int check>Medic! has no points cost but requires Int check, grants FnP instead of whatever the fuck it does now>S+1 bayonets >Anti-grav models can use Implacable Advance with Heavy (X) weapons>Glancing hits only inflict -1HP with no status, Penetrating Hits can cause full damage or roll for tactical status>Shock (X) counts each subsequent trigger as Glancing Hit>Breaching gives +1D against vehicles>Rending/Critical counts as 6 to penetrateRemoved:>Dreads with automatic Heavy (X) since they were fragile enough in 1.0 for it to be fine>Skimmers with automatic Heavy (X) (see new shit)>D3 power fist>Rending on chain weapons (+1S on smaller weapons and Shred on bigger weapons instead)Will deal with army/list specific stuff in another post if anyone is interested
>>98676620you should take this to /nobodycaresgeneral/ instead of spamming it here where your talents are wasted like your mom on the wiggles tourbus where you were conceived
>>98676481grenade launchers on 40k weapons don't make any sense, the bolts that bolt pistols fire are the same round as the grenades you see Arnie lobbing around in Terminator and Predatorin terms of profiles in-game krak and frag are both somewhat worse than they were in the early editions in terms of what they can hurt and how badly, and it's that early game that gave us aux grenade launchers (and swooping hawk packs, which were some bullshit) and grenade spambut even now krak grenades are better than heavy bolts (only marginally) so you have this weird thing of the SA having a sentinel that has a heavy bolter reconstructed from memory, but it also fires frags (and they stun unlike regular frag which is only for a step where you can't stun anyway, so assume that regular frag also stuns), and it has to have worse range and better strength and damage or you'd be asking for heavy bolter variants>>98676515this is a different thingthat specific round is for penetrating heavy armour (though it's heavy armour of 70 years ago and probably not as effective on the same "thickness" today, depending on what we're measuring); but all those barrel-wreckers were replaced decades ago outside a few impoverished militaries (who absolutely do not want to fire those things that have been in storage for 50 years) and now we use the 40mm grenades or we use MANPADS/MANPATS, which are basically the 40k missile launchers that have come to resemble them; very good at specific tasks on a per-round, per-weapon basisfor most things you would actually have used the ENERGA for, 40mm is better - you can spam it, it'll fuck tank tracks just fine, etc, plus the ammo is more portablecourse from now on wars will not be fought by men of flesh, but by men of iron
>>98675774Based
>>98675727> TQThe original titan legions of Mars were founded to destroy giant cyber beasts
>>98676750>fluffI'm pretty sure a bolt round is .75cal, which would make it something like 20mm as opposed to our 40mm grenades>crunchKrak grenades are much more powerful than heavy bolter rounds, what are you talking about?The Hermes Sentinel's GL has a krak round that's basically a 18" range autocannonIf you think S7 D2 is only marginally better than S5 D1 I don't know what to tell you
>>98676584Unless you are Cybernetica, Mechanicum's only scoring units are Thralls that do nothing, and Thallax that don't want to be stillFaction's fucked. A literal background faction.
>>98676750Alright wtf is that webm? And don't say men of iron.
>>98676804nta but guidance system
>>98676750Grenade launcher launched grenades have more space for explosive compared to bolts as those have part of the bolt used to contain propellent to propel the bolt. Now there are know unknowns and unknown knowns, which are the thickness of the walls of both projectiles, the type of explosive and the type of propellent of both. We know that due to the nature of each a grenade launcher launched grenade needs to resist less stress compared to a bolt as the bolt when launched from a boltgun has a first stage where it is accelerated by a conventional charge and the bolt has to have thicker walls to penetrate and not break on impact so those are three points in favour of grenade launcher launched grenades. We don't know the type of explosive used but the bolt needs to use a type that can survive the much faster acceleration than the grenade launcher launched grenade as it relies on acceleration and hardness to penetrate and inflict damage so there is less options for it to pick. If using the same type the grenade launched yadda yadda has more of an area of effect due to you get it.
>>98676804its the camera/optical sensor of a hellfire missiles panning about following the head movement of the pilot in the cockpit who has a helmet mounted HUD.
>>98676860truly science has gone too far
Any HH books as good as Legion?
>>98676750Easy: assume space-age rifle grenades can defeat space-age tank armour.Personally I'd think of drill-tipped shells, so they can dig through spaced armourThis is a dolls game after all :^)
>>98675972FYI, there's at least 1 official umbra pattern combi grenade launcher.It was part of the badab war FW boarding marine LE mini, but it's usually shown with a hammer
>>98676977mkiii used to look so good
>>98675972GK jump pack bits.
>>98676860what if he sneezes what then
>>98677197Then the missiles explode.
>>98676481The design is very European.
>>98676620Retarded. Thankfully you clearly dont play the game, so the chance of this cancer being inflicted on another person is minimal.
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The Saturnine Praetor's teleport homer should let him deep strike any Terminator squad he's in, not just fellow fatties.A single GC veteran Praetor in Saturnine leading a bunch of Cataphractii is kino and you cannot convince me otherwise.
>>98677303But then the Warmonger stops having a reason to exist. Barely does already, there's almost never a reason to deep strike a melee unit now.
>>98677313Nah he's there for Deep Striking a screaming mob of 20 Inductii/Despoilers. You know you want to.Jokes aside I unironically think the Warmonger should be squatted because it makes more sense to fold him into the Master of Descent as the basic/terminator version. Giving him the same special rules as the MoD (can come in on turn 1 and buff other Deep Strikes) would make him more viable anyway.
>>98676888Legion itself wasn't good - it was cool, which isn't the same. Eh maybe I'm saying it wrong. It was a cool book, but it was so far out it didn't feel like Imperium.Not with guardsmen having legged tanks and gravity pikes and six-armed generals, and psychic lieutenant maidens.All I genuinely liked was Lucifer Blacks. Too bad we never hear from anything in Legion ever again...except the damn Cabal and Perpetuals, the very things we could do without!
>>98677331I think the warmonger should be higher risk, higher reward. He should allow charging in the same turn as the deep strike, but the unit can't shoot, the charge is disordered, and a dice has to be rolled for each model upon being deployed where on a 1 they're removed from play.
>>98676866>>98676804oh boys this is last-gen tech, they have jet drones with ai that don't even need the unicorn now
>>98677303Termies should just be able to teleport as a paid upgrade.
>>98677361>He should allow charging in the same turn as the deep strike, butNo. But nothing. Deep strike charging is retarded and nu40k coded. Deep strike needs to be nerfed not buffed (so you can Deep strike multiples again)>>98677453This is correct though. And don't tell me muh rite of war, that was also bullshit: you telling me they just forget how to use the teleportarium unless everyone else shows up in a drop pod? Madness. 25 points for any sergeant in terminator armor to buy a transponder, and the warmonger is changed to have the master of descent rule of turn 1 deep strike without needing a jump pack, with the risk of the splicer.
>>98677335Good insofar it was an actual entertaining read based in the warhams universe. Anything else like it?I like the over the top Imperium, it fits perfectly with 30k where things aren't supposed to be so streamlined as 40k.If you look at the original John Blanche drawings, its pretty much the same.I agree that perpetuals are bullshi. I would have preferred that cunt of an eldar somehow having power over grammaticus' soul due to some Eldar crap. The Cabal is fine but they should've been treated as any other deranged xeno group, and quickly exterminated.
>>98677335Legion was good, nobody writes humans like Abnett.
>>98677526>>98677453>Termies should just be able to teleportYes>as a paid upgradeNay: as a PRIME. It would be in line with 3.0's flavor
>>98677331What a bad take.
>>98677558>nobody writes humans like AbnettPhew I hope so! I can read only so many Vishnu-based Army Generals with a straight face!>>98677544I really really wish there were more Lucifer Blacks. Maybe they appear in other books?
>>98677575>I really really wish there were more Lucifer Blacks. Maybe they appear in other books?Oh no he doesn't know, don't tell him the sweet summer child.
>>98677589Its incredible how every more or less cool or interesting story in the early HH books got turned into absolute slop dogshit.Like wow.
>>98677604Sadly, better to stick to the old black books for lore.
>>98675972Are combi grenades in general worth the effort? They only shoot krakelaks for armor, right?
>>98677560No, as an upgrade: primes represent the elites, the special, extraordinary, which teleportation should not be considering how often it's used in the lore!
>>98677604>>98677619I have no original opinions and I must seethe
>>98677644Combi-grenade launchers are cool so they're worth it.
>>98677738I eat shit straight from a butt because that means I'm original
>>98677589Tell me
>>98677159the short one. the long one for sniper/long barrel bolters.
>>98677686Dang it's true. First edition did have some legions buy teleport for 25 pts per squad or something like that. Combine it with 1.0's Deepstrike rules and you're golden.Add a Warmonger if you want them to do a disordered charge on arrival.
>>98677741This
Which is better at the moment, Moirax with volkite and claw or Moirax with double lightning guns? Getting one to fill out my knights army for a tourney and don't have time to get recasts of all the other weapons.
>>98678252>tourney
>>98678299My friends are all hyper competitive boomers unfortunately so this is the only way I get to play regularly with them
>>98678252Moirax volkite is the only bad gun, claw is fun for if a land raider doesn't watch it's tone, grav pummels troops and Stuns vehicles, lightning is a de ent generalist for both anti Meg, veq, and teq, conversion bearers are good as a double for sniping but sight lines may not be with you depending on deployment type and terrain
When you paint your miniatures, do you have a particular style or aesthetic in mind?Pic is from cretacianborn, I love his stuff.
A week late but here are the army census from HH Nova '26. Also left in '25 numbers for comparison if anyone cares.
>>98678547>RG non existent Damn where my beaky bois at
>>98678509Weathermaxxing.
>>98678252Volkite is complete garbage in-game. And 1 volkite 30" toy gun that has to stay s tationary plus 1 melee claw that has to move and be 0 distance is the worst possible knight in the entire game. At minimum you'd need to buy 2x and make one volkite+volkite and one claw+claw knight instead.Double lightning locks is fine, 2 blasts with AP3 (unlike volkite) and Suppress0, dmg2, breaching5+ shred5+ means a good number of hits against terminator types are one-shotting even EternalWarrior1 super terminators. 36" range is better than volkite and no Heavy so can always be moving.The only real builds for Moirax are (2x lightning), (2x claw+rad flamethrowers), (1x claw + 1 graviton), (2x graviton). All 4 of those options have a use, but not worth buying the volkite one it wont come near any of those. You could find some random claws or melee weapon to add to the lightning one later.
>>98678560Guys who ran them didn't show up this year. Had 2 or 3 guys in 1.0 and 2.0 but I didn't see them this year or last year now that I think about it.
>>98678589(and the mechanicum one gets conversion beamers, but not the knights one unfortunately, which is lame if you're spending even $13 for recast guns)
>>98678597Guess I'm not surprised. They were gutted of flavor and their unique stuff for worse. They're a lot less fun to play.
>>98678312Doesn't the fist come with a flamer too?
>>98678786The fist itself is fine, the problem is you only get 1.You'd run 2 fists with 2 flamers or 1 fist/flamer with the graviton (2 shots with 33% chance each to immobilize a tank to run up and kill it in melee) - graviton can also be used to pin(2) a tactical squad 24" away so it can't cap objectives or immobilize their melee deathstar unit, you're allowed to then charge something near your knight with the 1 claw. The volkite, on the other hand, would do nothing to the tactical squad, nothing to the deathstar, and nothing to the tank.
>>98676750spoopy
>>98678589>Volkite is complete garbage in-gameThe problem with all/nothing on the 3+ save game is that, unless it's AP3 or Breaching 5+, it might as well be AP-.Especially now that SA is the lone 4+ save faction, after most Mechanicum carapace units became power armoured.
>>98676584Single Archmagos, 6 Myrmidon units.
>>98678819is he going to be okay?
>>98677558legion was a terrible warhammer30k novel. It was a fine random pulp fiction novel.Enemies random lizard geckos and alligators, not xenos aliens, not actual chaos creatures, no... geckos. You know, the kind that can't even puncture human skin? Oh no, geckos are running up the stairs!Alpha Legion are fucking purple. And entirely teehee we do random stupid things, that makes us mysterious!The retarded twilight fanfiction imperial guard, where the army is run by psychic women, who are neutered and sterile, but even the 13-15 year old ones are actively in military duty and described as goin around banging guardsmen after every shift. But oh, they're not psychics, they're just uhh... "ultra-emotional" instead of psychic, and that somehow means... they excel at special battlefield strategy and tactics?! Oh, and of course their twilight-emotional-bond with their clone-troopers means they get big-sad when the soldiers die, which would mean they'd have crippling depression 1 second into any war and would no longer be any asset at all.The writer is good at using words and making someone picture visuals, but the other 80% of Legion is garbage.
>>98678841Wouldn't be a problem if more people played armies that aren't marines, but after decades of 40k and now with HH we all know that is never gonna happen. The AP modifier system still is more retarded, it makes low AP weapons the best terminator killers.
>>98678860No, he's infected with parasitic worms that are doing their best to draw the attention of a bird so it eats the snail and lets the parasites progress to the next stage in their life cycle.
>>98678882it's literally Space Marine Civil War: The Game. It's not in any way a user problem, it's games workshop being morons.
>>98677741i agree and im seriously considering turning the mk2 centurion's multimelta into a launcher, but it kinda sucks that you cant blast em on infantry
>>98678915The civil war involved the entire fucking Imperium you dumb troglodyte. Even Istvaan V had human forces fighting on both sides involved. Not to mention Mars and the fabricator general siding with Horus being a huge fucking deal.
>>98678700WS and EC were the same way but made it off the endangered armies list, so I wouldn't worry too much. Eventually someone picks up the army and forces it to work/be fun. Usually that seems to happen after not many show up. Several people start it as hobby and bring it in Duos.
>>98678700RG have never been popular, it's always been a niche legion regardless of their rules. SW are similar, not even WAACfags wanna touch the space yiffs with how unimaginably retarded BL has made them.
>>98678882>Wouldn't be a problem if more people played armies that aren't marinesIf they played THE army that isn't marines, singular - Solar Auxilia: Mechanicum is now 3+, Militia isn't a real faction, and Knights are AV.>The AP modifier system still is more retarded, it makes low AP weapons the best terminator killers.Back then it was so with high AP weapons with low Str but plenty of shots. Since then, Terminators got tougher so high shots low Str attacks don't work as good on them, and they reworked AP so even power fists are only AP-2 (marines better win).
>>98678882as to your mention of AP. The actual problem is GW has no way to make a weapon only good against heavy armor but bad against light armor. With current system, people only want to spam AP2 because it's the counter to everything in game, AP2 crushes tacticals, it crushes elites, it crushes terminators, it's the best against dreadnoughts.With 40k's system, AP2 is the counter to everything in game, crushes tacticals, crushes elites, terminators, dreadnoughts, tanks.The game Infinity actually solves this. A rifle can have Hollowpoint Ammunition or AP ammunition. The AP ammunition Halves the enemy's armor save. It's a D20 system so an elite terminator might have 10-12 armor, so halving that is basically worth a whole +5 to +6. While a light trooper with 2 armor, using AP ammo is only worth +1 on the d20 roll. The special hollowpoint round, on the other hand, means the enemy has to take two saving rolls.>>98678932the power of the imperium was 98% the space marines and imperial navy, you fucking 12 year old retard. Not a single battle was ever mentioned won without being carried by space marines, zero, not one. Guardsmen in every single book are explained as nothing more than meatshield fodder that accomplish essentially nothing. Rogal Dorn annd all commanders knew this very obvious fact and specifically color-coded all space marine legion assets brightly while useless non-space marine ones were just dull dots. You've simply never actually read a book in your life, so you have cocksucker fantasies that are entirely from 40k not 30k.
>>98678968Oh so now suddenly there were regular humans fighting as well, interesting interesting
>>98678932>The civil war involved the entire fucking Imperium you dumb troglodyte. Even Istvaan V had human forces fighting on both sides involved.Gee, if only we had rules for the actual bulk of the Imperial Army (with Orders) instead of Planetary Defense Force equivalents (Militia) or Special Forces (Sol Aux).>Not to mention MarsI just told you they switched to 3+ :O!
>>98679011There being no rules for the actual Imperial Army 3 editions in is an actual crime.
>>98678951The core problem is RG and SW aren't actually good at anything. RG are 'the shooty+sneaky legion' but they have 0% better shooting than anyone else, mor dreythan are now a handicap unit that's simply worse than Seekers / Rapier Batteries / tanks. RG aren't sneaky, they don't have extra redeploy abilities or misdirection or anything (not even pseudo-stealth like alpha legion where units must be discovered by enemy to attack) Combine with a bottom3 primarch on stats and 1 total named character who is the only legion with just a 3+ armor save useless character, no surprise they cause no excitement.SW entire thing in game is being the melee army, but doing it worse than World Eaters (+1 attack), worse than Emp Children (+1 initiative), worse than NightLords (+1WS the strongest buff just requires a Status), worse than White Scars (+2" movement all the time and stormseers adding 4"+ more on top of that to dreadnoughts and terminators which actually gets them within 12" of enemy to also get a fast setup and charge off. While space furry terminators and dreadnoughts don't even arrive within 12" of the enemy, so don't get any extra movement at all, and if they did they wouldn't fight as well as EmpChildren / WorldEaters. Even worse than Salamanders at brawling. And if you want speed (the SW gimmick) you'd be better off with jetpack squads much of the time, where furries are far behind Blood Angels (who are faster and stronger than SW), and even probably somehow worse than RG who get 14" flight, ignore dangerous terrain and get +1 initiative claws with Precision to snipe hammers out.Before some 12 year old tries to copy bad book quotes to say well, uhh, space marines are flexible and shoot rawkettttt launchas and stuff, they have exactly zero rules reflecting Any improved shooting. Nor tricks or sneaky ploys. Nor do squads sometimes turn into wulfen which ate dark angels during 30k novels.Just GW being trash writers
Whats a good source of non-retardedly oversized power axes
>>98678509Manticoredesign influenced my paint scheme a lot.
>>98679081>mor dreythan are now a handicap unit that's simply worse than Seekersoh, you're just pretending to be retarded, got it>turn 1 BS7 S5 Breaching5+ boltstorm>40% of hits are AP2>all AP2 hits are D2 Precision>return fire is snap shots vs 3+/5+++ vs 2W models>simply murder a bunch of high-cost guys and let the survivors get pinned on average joe ldseekers are like paper and kraken bolters simply cannot compete, recons cost nearly as much with nemesis bolters and neither unit can do this stuff
>>98679107look under your foreskin
>>98679081Anon, basically nobody played SW in the older HH editions when they had good or even broken rules. That was my point, don't care about current crunch and theory hammering their current rules.
>>98679081>but they have 0% better shooting than anyone elseMor Deythan are insanely good at what theyre meant to do (alpha strike assassination). And their legion trait is "50% damage from most shooting". They dont have offensive buffs, they neuter the enemy shooting. This also helps them get in range to charge (with their melee units conveniently having a movement + setup range longer than their "shooting is bad" aura). Also shrouded. >bottom 3 primarchHes one of the few primarchs actually good in game, because he doesent do retarded deathstar things and is just a fast and hard to deal with melee threat for a normal army. You arent simply waddling away from his terminator deathstar that costs a combined 1k+ pts.>SW entire thing in game is being the melee armyYea, and +2" setup is insane on that front. Do you not understand how powerful that is? How much reliability it gives and how much counterplay it removes from the enemy? Yea, they dont get a stat buff, instead they get heavy terminators with a setup equal to marines, and basic troops moving like theyre jump infantry.
>>98678991I see public school failed you. Guardsmen existed, they were just entirely irrelevant until warhammer40k happened when the space marine legions went from 100,000+ space marines with their own huge battle fleets to chapters of 1,000 marines who are intentionally that size so they're now weak enough to not be able to destroy the imperium and overshadow all imperial guard armies instantly. So your entire complaint is you not even understanding what the imperium is and being an idiot.Before warhammer40k, regular humans, weak as they were, could be used for duties too unimportant for a space marine. Being police officers in a random village in the middle of nowhere. Handling hobo cultist mutants in wastelands. Every single time an actual powerful threat (any non-zero space marine or xenos force like orks) was involved, 100% of the time the book mentions the guard needing bailed out by space marines, titans/knights, perpetuals, legio assassins, something other than guardsmenExisting is totally different from being significant. You'll notice the moron who thinks non-space marines should be played as an army has never once been like "the battle of xenar-IV look the guard destroyed an entire 20,000 strong space marine army", because I had to make that battle up because there's 0 times in the entire history of 30k that a guard army beat any space marine army. Literal zero. So you're a faggot trying to play non-30k if you play something that's not a legion, mechanicum or knight/titans.
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>>98679081>1WS the strongest buff just requires a StatusYea>requires a status (also their legion units are generally overcosted, most likely to compensate for the power of their legion trait).NL have BY FAR the strongest trait. With +1WS they basically beat everyone else and its not even close. But guess what, statuses already mean you almost always beat the other guy (gives I1), so its the epitome of "win more". Which is the point admittedly, its incredibly thematic and fluffy that NL are the best at finishing off a crippled opponent, absolutely styling on people when the odds are in their favor. But thats the point, its conditional and situational, while the other legions always get theirs. The WE always get +1A if they charge, EC always get +1I. SW always charge better and further than any other legion. They arent "better in a fight" but theyre better at getting TO the fight (and have very cost effective melee units to win the fight once theyre there).
>>98679081Anon RG are like top 3 best armies this edition, at least from the legions (its them, Sallies and TS). Do you not realize how stupidly powerful and flexible "all the enemy shooting is dogshit and does nothing" is? How many things they fuck with? also>unique units got worseBoth the mor deythan and the dark furies are insanely good at what they do. Furies are m14 I5 twin claw veterans with precision, they hit like an absolute truck, are reasonably priced (cheaper than equivalent veterans) and are faster than any other jump infantry. They also, very importantly, arent easy to kill with shooting. Because the distance to shoot them properly is 18" and their horrible murder distance is 20" at minimum (14" move, 6" setup (pretty sure they get to 6", might still be 5", whatever the charge roll is). the snipers dont do that retarded rending 4+ volkite shit, but are instead actual snipers now, and have absolutely insane character (or even just elites/dreads) killing power, while once again being really hard to kill in return because RG are nigh impossible to win a gunfight with because you do half damage to them until theyre in charge range of you.
>>98679211none of that is true in the slightest. You've mistaken what GW wants the rules to be with what they actually are. Dreythan do fuckall in actual game which is why you're unable to post any numbers. They must not move a single inch to use their special one-time ability which doesn't even hit harder than moving 30" kraken bolter squads or vigilator snipers.How much would a unit pay for +2" setup? A tiny amount. It sucks dick. It's not in the ballpark of +1 WS for nightlords, +10-20 attacks for world eaters, having 12-15+ attacks striking before the wolf player for emp children, or white scars literally simply doing every single thing better than space wolves (because they get +2" move and +1" extra setup because of it and by getting into 12" in first place they get the 3-5" setup move and the highest-of-2d6 charge move while the space wolf player lands 13" away from the enemy and moved zero inches extra)And when SW do get into melee, they don't get +1 attack for charging nor +1 attack for dual wielding, so they lack any actual oomph. GW is simply incapable of writing rules. If it had been +1" movement for white scars and +4" setup for space wolves, Maybe that'd have been a thing. That probably still would be inferior to 10-20 attacks WE, entire unit striking first EC, or wolves hitting nightlords on 5+ while nightlords hit wolves on 3+, but it'd be less egregious. A unit of space wolves on foot is too slow to get within 12" to even charge. A unit of space wolves in a landraider doesn't even need 2" extra setup to be in charge range. It's in the 4 worst legion traits easily.
>>98679295It's okay anon, we know you're a nogames. You can stop pretending you understand anything about the game.
>>98679295>Dreythan do fuckall in actual game which is why you're unable to post any numbersAnon they crit at D2 Ap2, what numbers do you want? That they on average kill most characters in one fatal strike?>They must not move a single inch to use their special one-time ability which doesn't even hit harder than moving 30" kraken bolter squadsAnon you know you can easily check the maths and avoid making such obviously wrong statements? Even vs t4 the seekers do less, and their effectiveness drops significantly vs terminators because breaching requires a successful wound roll while critical hit does not. The mors deythan do ~50% more precision damage than seekers vs t4, ~2x damage vs terminators, more vs dreads and satties and shit (less vs custodes because of EW). But yes, woe is you, your long range durable shooting unit has to stay still to do its thing, how terrible. >vigilator snipersA vigilator is equal to around 1.5 fatal strike mor deythan lmao, what are you smoking?>How much would a unit pay for +2" setup?A lot, because setup move is insanely broken and the fact that you dont understand that exposes you as having never played the game. >It's not in the ballpark of +1 WS for nightlordsYea, no shit. The conditional trait that requires more often than not a 2nd unit to activate is more killing power than something every SW unit gets for showing up mostly sober. But also, literally none of those legion traits (WE, BA, EC, etc) do anything if you dont make your charge. Which is where the SW advantage comes in. They are not better in a fight, they are much better at making sure they get to have a fight. You move your cataphrachtii terminators 1" away from the enemy, they move 4" away, you now have a 5" charge (2d6 pick the highest). You just went from a 50/50 to have your terminators do fuck all to having them basically unable to fail (as SW). >so they lack any actual oomph.Yea anon, no legion besides WE is able to kill anything in melee.
>>98679295>+4" setup for space wolvesJesus christ. I must thank the kind anons of this thread for reminding me that actually. statistically speaking, the monkeys GW hires are probably quite good at writing rules as a % of the population. >casual 7" setup for infantry, no biggie".
>>98679244that would be true IF it wasn't incredibly easy to spread statuses in 3rd edition, which means you're entirely full of shit.A viable nightlord 3E army has Fear 1-2, havoc launchers on every vehicle with infinite Stun(1) spam which fear made into Stun(2-3), Phosphex units adding Panic(3) which fear makes Panic(4-5), Suppress(1) easily from Rotor Cannons which fear makes suppress(2-3), or Suppress(2) bolter rapiers fear makes Suppress(3-4), Stun(1) vindicator cannons which are stun(2-3) thanks to fear. Graviton weapons easily immobilizing at 2-3 (with fear 3-5)And that's even if they don't drop in some Effrit allies to make status tests roll 3d6 within 12" and have your most expensive unit essentially auto-failing.The nuncio-voxes (limited use and possible to just snipe out of units with precision units), don't prevent any statuses during the night lords turn, so he can easily status units, shred them to pieces in melee, then if you get lucky and nuncio one single status at the start of your turn, he's still already won the combat during his NL turn and will just re-apply the statuses again next turn before melee happens.There's not a single game with a competitive NL army that their legion trait won't constantly be happening multiple times every game. Most games the space wolf trait will have exactly zero impact, as melee isn't constantly failing charges in rhinos, landraiders or aircraft or with jump packs.
>>98679364>Oops malefic haha
>>98679295>r wolves hitting nightlords on 5+ while nightlords hit wolves on 3+SW are basically the only legion that gets to have melee vs night lords (and alpha legion), precisely because of their trait. NL/cavalry/AL basically autofail any charges against them that dont start and end with a setup move.
>>98679361>casual 10-20 free extra attacks for World Eaters squad, no biggie>casual entire 10-20 thunderhammer attacks for an entire squad striking first and enemy squad all dying before getting to swing weapons, no biggie>entire army hitting enemy on 3+ and enemy hitting you on 5+, no biggieDon't worry, GW handles people as mentally retarded as you are. Hence why they think 10-20 attacks for every world eaters squad is actually on par with word bearers getting +1 combat resolution (and losing every combat to 10-20 world eater bonus attacks)
>>98679361Homebrew and houserules posts always give me a new kind of appreciation for GW's rules writers. Apparently it can be much, much worse.
>>98679364Wow anon, you just listed the whole other half of the army you need to take on top of your melee units to set up their +1WS in melee. Yes, you CAN apply statuses, but most melee units cant do it themselves, and that "infinite stun havoc launcher" is not reliable for it because it makes a single stun(1) (stun(2) if you pay extra for fear) test on marines with their generally high cool. To get statuses reliably (and you need it to be reliable, because all the NL melee units are glass cannons that NEED their trait to survive and win fights) you need lots of different weapons platforms (many of them not cheap, like phosphex, for which the easiest access is a unit of destroyers), the fear causing NL units (which are largely overpriced relative to their generic counterparts for the killing power/survivability) and also to actually be able to shoot them at the things you want to charge (which means the other guy has counterplay). They have a very strong trait because theyre the only legion that needs to jump through hoops to get it. Not to mention that everyone else can also apply statuses, and will generally win combats if they do it too. >>986793964+++ feel no pain iron hands. Thanks macca.
>>98679183>>turn 1 BS7 S5 Breaching5+ boltstormWhich requires not having moved and infantry to not be in transports or hidden from the turbo snipers telegraphed sight lines. Because again, they have to remain stationary to use Fatal Strike. Also remember vehicle block LOS so even rhinos can block key characters. They are very easy to play around and avoid. If your opponent makes a mistake sure, they will delete expensive characters. Otherwise they will shoot your sniper MD with things you dont want to blow your Fatal Strike on while hiding what matters. They are a great example of a unit who are incredibly powerful in a niche that is easy to avoid. Seekers get to be on the move and use their ammo all game. Seekers are way better in practice and will do more damage over the course of the game. You cant avoid Seekers in a rhino or outflank and will always bite their target if played well.>>98679288>>unique units got worseFuries are good, the rest are worse. See above for MD. Kaedes Nex is mediocre at best and struggles into power armor for how easy he is to die in return. Deliverers got worse overall but are still fine. Loosing Maun was a huge blow, as was the drop pod portion of the RoW. RG core rule is strong, but as an RG player, I would rather have cooler rules. MD dont need AP2 volkite, just granting +2BS regardless of moving would have been enough because snipers are heavy RS and base S4.
>>98679392Wow anon, if you keep getting charged by 20 man infantry units you might just suck at the game. You know what the most common way to get a unit to melee is? The rhino rush.You know what legion traits you DONT get when you rhino rush? WE, EC, BA. You know what legion trait you DO get when you rhino rush? WB. You know what combats +1 combat resolution matters in? Most of them that make it to combat resolution (like WB dreadnoughts, who now cannot lose combat)WB do have one of the least interesting and weakest legion traits, but you clearly have no idea what youre talking about
>>98679383>SW are basically the only legion that gets to have melee vs night lordsWhat retarded thing are you trying to say? Night lords doesn't change charge distance. Only alpha legion. NL absolutely assfucks space wolves because NL have one of the 3 S-tier melee traits while wolves have the F-tier garbage melee trait.Alpha legion are not somehow immune to melee like you seem to be implying because you've never played the game. You can just drive a rhino up next to them, get out, move close, setup a few inches closer and then charge rolling 2d6 and discarding lowest (giving two chances to not fail the charge roll). An extra 2" doesn't somehow make AL "immune to non-SW melee", this forum is entirely full of nogames manbeards who've never even played a single tournament. This is the shit 240 lb neckbeards tell redshirts at GW store while never playing even their first game, teehee my alpha legion are impossible to charge! What a moron.
>>98679431>Night lords doesn't change charge distanceThats great buddy. Now go look up the night lords special reaction. The one they can use an infinite number of times per game.
>>98679431>You can just drive a rhino up next to them, get out, move close, setup a few inches closerNo, you cant. Because you dont setup out of a rhino you retard. And you can only be within 1" of them. Which means they then simply move react away, are now 5" (7" with trait) and your charge fails. You cannot rhino rush AL, at all (unless you have Fast(X)). You know who else cant ever get into melee with AL? Heavy units in any legion that isnt SW. Those firedrakes/cata command squads/phraetus anointed/whatever? Never making it into combat, mathematically impossible. You know who can make it to combat? Varangyr.
>>98679431Come back after you've done some reading
>>98679415>moving would have been enough because snipers are heavy RS and base S4.You dont care about that because crits autowound. No, MD do not need to be able to fatal strike while moving. Its already an incredibly powerful rule, and the fact that it has counterplay (like "hide out of their line of sight forever") is fine. The vigilator also needs to stand still if he wants to onetap centurions, thats the point. Being able to do that (snipe high value targets at long range) is incredibly powerful, which is why it requires some hoops to jump through (like standing still).
>>98679431>You can just drive a rhino up next to them, get out, move close, setup a few inches closer>get out of a rhino>setup I was going to make a joke about you clearly never going to tournaments. But this sort of illiterate cheating is exactly what you find at tournaments.
>>98679295>They must not move a single inch to use their special one-time ability which doesn't even hit harder than moving 30" kraken bolter squads or vigilator snipers.This is correct. I didnt see this when I wrote>>98679415. Sniper MD will never see a worthy target. Either you deploy them with max coverage of where you anticipate your target will be and they get blasted ahead of time or you deploy them relatively hidden some good LoS in which case your opponent never exposes good targets. This does not mean they are valuable enough as deterrent either. >>98679460>hide out of their line of sight foreverSo never get used in their best scenario like I said above, got it. It doesn't matter how strong an ability is if it never sees play. MD are good on paper, but bad on the table top because if your expensive/unit character gets hit by Fatal Strike that means you deliberately moved out in the open in front of the MD for a turn. That just won't happen. MD could ignore invulnerable saves on Fatal Strike and still would do the same amount of damage to the opponents premier unit, which is zero. Opponents will never deliberately expose a unit to the MD they care about.
>>98679508>So never get used in their best scenarioBy enforcing severe conditions on your enemy, yes. MD are already impossible to really shoot (RG trait +2W + shroud), so they can just sit somewhere and deny your opponent significant parts of the map.
>>98679512>>98679508Mind you, if you want to discuss/criticize MD from a "design" standpoint rather than "balance/effectiveness"? I can sort of see your point. The RG trait is already so strong that coupled with their ability the easiest answer to them is "dont interact", like theyre ranged custodes, Which probably isnt the most fun thing in the world. But frankly I also dont really see a way to do them that isnt that, because you cant have them both fulfill the sniper fantasy and not have the whole "line of sight hiding" counterplay, all the other snipers have it and NEED to have it because snipers are fundamentally kinda unfun to deal with and would be more unfun if you couldnt even position against them.
>>98679556>snipers are fundamentally kinda unfun to deal withSeekers exist, have precision, double the shots, are highly mobile, and don't have a one time use ability. MD being able to move for their once per game might put on par with Seekers.
>>98679608Seekers are shorter range (than snipers), made of paper (unlike MD) and are substantially worse at sniping out targets than MD. Seekers also just fundamentally do badly vs high toughness, while MD dont give a shit.
>>98679618If your opponent lets you use MD to the fullest they are they are throwing, full stop. There's really no excuse for valuable units getting shot by a unit that has remain stationary and announce their sightlines.
>>98679789This is also of course why HSS never do anything and why rapiers dont function. Heavy weapons simply NEVER get to shoot at things, it is known.Yes, heavy/fatal strike provides counterplay, but there are two things here:One, at the sort of ranges seekers and MD want to be (30"+) seekers being able to move means quite little. If youre out of LoS that 7" move isnt very likely to get you LoS (especially since its more often than not a 5" move because of terrain or whatever, or even less since theyre in a building). Two, area denial is still value, as previously stated. If your opponent keeps all his praetors and librarians and centurions hidden away and pinned back because some MD will kill them if they arent, the MD already did their job. Thats also why vigilators, vindicare assassins, and exodus work, because while your opponent CAN hide from them, hiding is already "something they did", most characters are not the MoS who doesent care about moving up the board and doing things.
>>98679837Anon, you're getting baited.
>>98679837>Heavy weapons simply NEVER get to shoot at things, it is known.They dont need to be stationary for a once per game ability and dont have precision so death squad goons can tank for the character. Apples to oranges. If you dont play with enough terrain sure, area denial.
>>98679837Inb4>but you can just have your seekers up close!You can, but not for long. Seekers are made of tissue (tacticals at 2x the cost) and simply explode vs anything, at the sorts of close quarters where their movement really allows them to outmaneuver LoS hiding theyre probably already dead because someone just shot or charged them. The fact MD have to stay still IS a disadvantage, but the biggest difference is that seekers can start a game hidden and cover and then move out (to get sightlines) while MD have to start with those sightlines and therefore exposed. This IS a downside of them needing to stay still. But seekers are 1w while MD are 2w, and seekers dont have shrouded built in. MD have enough forms of durability to survive that initial exposure (including the ever relevant RG trait), theyre a smartly built unit that is well suited for what it is meant to do. I should also probably mention that seekers can suicide rush via transports, zoom up the board in a rhino or whatever to get some shots off before exploding, while MD cannot. But I dont consider this a particularly good use of them. >>98679850I genuinely dont believe so. Ive heard the "MD have to stand still so they dont work" thing since the rules were leaked, and I think there is a functional (if flawed) train of logic behind it. >>98679863>They dont need to be stationary for a once per game abilityNo, they need to be stationary to hit on anything but a 6 (in previous editions) or for other benefits this edition. MD get more from staying still than HSS in 3e, but HSS are still built around standing still, they dont have the damage you pay for otherwise. >and dont have precision so death squad goons can tank for the character.So? We arent talking about sniping here. Were talking about damage in general. If they move HSS dont do their job, if MD move they dont do theirs. The same logic that rules "cant move = cant work" means ALL heavy/ordnance weapons dont work.
>>98679863>If you dont play with enough terrainPost a picture of a board you think has "enough terrain" please.
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>>98679953>Miles long firing lanes, which are the only places transports can move throughAbsolute trash terrain, only one step down from planet bowling bowl.
>>98679383>NL/cavalry/AL basically autofail any charges against them that dont start and end with a setup move.If they have the reaction for it. That's a big if.People spout shit like armies still had the 4 reactions everyone used to have in 2.0.We're lucky we get to have 3 lol
>>98679977>he doesn't just blow up 90% of the terrain so he can do whatever he wants anywayroll some 6s, scrub
>>98680100>If they have the reaction for it.Which they will, IF thats the best thing for them/worst thing for you. Which means "they will if its a critical charge", which if youre a melee army it probably is. Unless your opponent plays poorly/misplays/you pull a fast one on them (possible, but I dont know if you can rely on that) they will make the reactions that are the most important. That means theyll not have them elsewhere of course, but unlike in say 2e, you can spend where you want now. If you think 3 movement reactions is the move, you can, if you need to fleey three charges? you can.
Despoiler squad #1 done. Theyre a bit greebly but honestly once you whittle away some of the spikes on the trim its not that bad. In particular im quite fond of the sgt, twin swords dude turned out pretty snazzy I think. The plan is to interdiction cadre them in (maybe as a big squad of 20 when I get that done), either that or have them tag along with the esoterist or something. Ill also build some alt dudes (flamer + rotor cannon) so I can count them as a terror squad. .
>>98679837>This is also of course why HSS never do anything and why rapiers dont function. Heavy weapons simply NEVER get to shoot at things, it is knownIs this some bait I'm too Death Guard to understand
>>98680162>they will if its a critical chargeALL charges are critical, anon! Lmao. Proper strategy is to force your enemy to choose between bad outcomes, and that implies multiple simultaneous attacks.Alpha Legion may specialize on that, but the basic notion is proper shock assault strategy.
>>98680268>ALL charges are critical, anon!Not necessarily. In the same way not all shooting attacks are critical. Charges hurt, but charges range from "a unit is tied up and will eventually die on the other side of the board" to "if this goes through my battle line collapses and ill probably lose the game">Proper strategy is to force your enemy to choose between bad outcomesCorrect, but not all outcomes are equally bad. Your outriders being charged by some assault veterans might hurt, but its a better outcome for you than a unit of tacticals on an objective dying and giving up vanguard to some other charge. Yes, you want to threat saturate so that the opponent can never shut down what you are doing in full or respond to what you are doing in full, but they will always* be able to respond to the most critical elements
>>98680268>multiple simultaneous attacks.Don't be silly anon, no such thing exists in the theoretical void in which math hammer is practiced.
>>98680280Or, to use a different (but frequently relevant example). Not returning fire with your units sucks, its a lot of lost damage and threat deterrence. But its often better than having a unit on an objective die and give up vanguard points. The enemy will always choose the least bad option you present to them (if they are playing well). Its still going to be bad for them (hopefully/if you play well), but it will also be the worst outcome possible for you out of the outcomes you presented. If your game relies on "this one critical thing happening" then if they can make it not happen it wont. If you need that one big charge with your deathstar? They will do whatever is possible to avoid it, even if it means eating more shit than normal elsewhere, because the consequence of that big thing you want happening is them eating MORE shit.
>>98680280That is one thing, and another is to claim AL/NL can't ever be successfully charged.Which I'm not sure you actually did say, but the convo was sort of sliding that way.So do what you can, but at least there's still some options on the table.
>>98675518What KT mod did you use?
>>98680331I probably did, but its more about the sentiment. If your gameplan is "I want to get melee" then NL can basically entirely shut it down (assuming some positioning etc). Because any charge that is not in on raw setup move is basically an auto fail, their legion reaction is just so much counterplay in that regard. The SW trait shuts that down, it prevents the evasiveness which can be so potent against other legions that are operating a similar gameplan. It may be a bit hyperbolic to say "only X legion gets to have melee vs NL", but the sentiment behind it may as well be true, if you have a critical charge against NL, you better be SUPER fast or you arent getting it/they have the room to deny you it. Ditto for AL, who can make any charge at least a 7/8"er
>>98675774Based.A Reaver joins the maniple. Got one more Reaver and two warhounds left. My two original test warhounds from years ago look a little out of place paint wise but I think I'll leave them be.
>>98680647Looks awesome anon, makes my fureans look like amateur hour. Honestly though the lucius warhounds look really good, I think if nothing else other titanicus players will enjoy them just because they're so different and better looking than mars warhounds desuAnyways, to continue the model postan' here's some militia chuds
>>98680647good god what did you do to that reaver
>>98680675..and a pair of quick n' dirty medusas to hopefully blast some space marines apart from a healthy distance.
>>98680680???
Are IH broken in 3.0? Looking at getting in and I have a cheap source of terminators and marines so I am looking to make my army mostly infantry and walkers and am thinking about going Iron Hands since I love the Isstvan campaign. I just want to make sure I am not being that guy by bringing Saturnine Terminators as an IH player, or if I need to just ignore the rule on them for the sake of not fucking over the other members of my gaming group
>>98680680What are you talking about?
>>98680714>>98680812the shoulder joints, they look weird
>>98680806You're not fooling anyone, the only people who play iron hands in all 3 editions are waacfags and trannies.
>>98680647is that the new plastic ruinator?
>>98680833seethe and cope no games.IH have have a real moment in the sun during 3.0. Loads of people in the global community that actually attended events have either started running them or are now coming around to their good standing in 3.0 and great diversity of list that they enable. Pic is mine and we now have 3 others in our region starting up ZM and smaller starter forces and all are very different army compositions. Not every thing is WAAC and the 3.0 wives tale of rhinos and tac squads.
>>98681049How are the thallax and castellax working out for you anon?
Wait, we're getting a price hike next week and GW hasn't announced it on the Community page?
>>98681536
>>98681536Yeah. Apparently they didn't even bother telling us directly this time.But big previews on Friday, don't forget it!
>>98681536>>98681549are you living under a rock? they announced that a month ago.
>>98681475Thallax are great mobile harassment units and have a lot of utility depending on what you outfit them with and if you put HQ units with them and castallax provide ablative wounds to my forgelord + status shooting weapons. Big recommend
Have I peaked with this list, /hhg/?>Crusade Detachment - 220 points>>Delegatus w/ Thunder Hammer (True Believers) - 115 points>>Diabolist - 105 points>Army Vanguard Detachment - 1 680 points>>5 man Phraetus Anointed Conclave w/ Saturnine War Axes - 420 pts>>5 man Phraetus Anointed Conclave w/ Saturnine War Axes - 420 pts>>5 man Phraetus Anointed Conclave w/ Saturnine War Axes - 420 pts>>5 man Phraetus Anointed Conclave w/ Saturnine War Axes - 420 pts>Armoured Fist Detachment - 940 pts>>Kharybdis Assault Claw - 235 pts>>Kharybdis Assault Claw - 235 pts>>Kharybdis Assault Claw - 235 pts>>Kharybdis Assault Claw - 235 pts>Allied Detachment - 160 pts>>Heterodox Tech-Priest w/ Chainaxe, Bolt Pistol and Ætheric Amplification - 40 pts>>Heterodox Tech-Priest w/ Chainaxe, Bolt Pistol and Ætheric Amplification - 40 pts>>Heterodox Tech-Priest w/ Chainaxe, Bolt Pistol and Ætheric Amplification - 40 pts>>Heterodox Tech-Priest w/ Chainaxe, Bolt Pistol and Ætheric Amplification - 40 pts>B-but you don't have any real ATDon't care, I have 20 Phraetus>B-but you don't have any real Line (X)Don't care, I have 20 Phraetus>B-but Deep Striking is shitThey're not Deep Striking, they're being brought in by the Kharybdis as they're Flyers now>What the hell are the Tech-Priests forHeterodox can buff Malefic units, which the Phraetus are. Also starting on the board out of LoS of the opponent.
>>98681640>15 WS6 attacks at S5 AP2 D2>Alternatively they can get the same number of WS5 attacks at S9 AP2 D3Former is enough to butcher Termies, later is enough to deal an average of 6.25 wounds to vehicles even when they have AV14 rear armour (or 18.75 wounds to AV12) so you actually do have real ATI'm scared and starting to understand why people sided with the Dark Gods
>>98681536>>98681549Fuck GW so much.>>98681562Where?
>>98681562Where?
>>98681536>>98681549>>98681562of course these guys are living under rocks, they look at the world and thing yup, prices of petroleum derivates should be going down about now, some guy on tiktok said so
>>98675727How many Solar Auxilia Laser Destroyers would I need at 3k assuming I want them to be my primary source of AT?I'm looking to build an army that's primarily Auxilia infantry backed up by Legion Vets so I'd assume they'll be my main anti-tank source. Unless there's a Predator that'd work, then I can put a Lanius in them
>>98681866Came running here when I rocked your shit in the other thread, huh?
>>98681640>Lose if you don't roll a 3+ turn oneIf you're up against anything with some infiltrate, those tech priests are gone lmao. Looks like a fun list to play, even though it isn't that good in practice. But you were never going to actually build and play this army, so it's all hypothetical anyway.
>>98681958>Lose if you don't roll a 3+ turn oneThe Dark Gods are with me, I'm not failing my reserve rolls
>>98681958>Lose if you don't roll a 3+ turn oneThe chance of not rolling a 3+ on 4d6 (as he has 4 Kharybdis) at least once is 1/1296 anon
>>98681979Been rolling three or four ones on as many dice at least twice in each of my games the last few months, statistics are nothing but lies.
>>98681979>>98681988Wait I'm retarded, I did the maths for rolling a 1 specifically, for 3+ it's actually 1/81 (as it's 3^4 instead of 6^4)
Am I crazy or do old scale heads look just fine on the new bodies?
>>98682008Nah, the new heads are so absurdly small. Marines need to have baby heads under there if you consider how thick the helmet armour has to be.
>>98682022All the more reason for old heads to look good on them then
>>98681049A mastodon? You madman!
>>98682008Yep, the fit nicely, but since both nu heads and bodies sucks better to use old modela
>>98681049Where can I get those Rhino dozer blades?
>>98682100I like having access to mkii and mkvi for WS and RG though
>>98681049Nice looking army anon>Graviton cannon rapiersBased.
>year of our lord 2k26>our third edition>still no world eater,raven guard, salamander preators
>>98682188Resin stopped being an option.
>>98682190So? These whoresons need to make everything plastic already.
>>98682193Blame Zelensky for spiking the price of oil
>>98681866If you think GW is producing their models retroactivly at the cost of plastic pellet from the future. Then it makes less sense then the head honcho needing another yacht.
>>98682196Nah, russia's invasion of Ukraine doesn't have anything to do with this. However america being retarded about Iran doesn't exactly help the situation, but these price hikes happened before the war as well.
>>98682202>Nooo, Ukraine having a tantrum and bombing the shit out of a ton of refineries totally can't change the price of oil
>>98682196Yeah, why can't he just lose right? Went so great for them in 2014. In fact for some reason in 2014, GW blamed price rises on instabilty too. Odd.
>>98682204Russia bombed their first Ukrainian rafinery in the first 8 hours of the war.
>>98682204Do you think that England buys oil from russia?
>>98682208He's losing anyway retard, crashing out and escalating the war by bombing a few refineries won't help that>>98682210Yeah and?>>98682212>What is the global market
>>98682193I know, they are retarded and the design is the same so there's no excuse. My only guess is that they didn't account for switching away from resin at that time and had to their plans fucked, or that they are just another retarded short sighted company and they didn't plan for more products past the 2.0 run, then when it was time to do 3.0 the death of resin fucked their planning up.We'll get plastic legion stuff soon, but prepare for it to be hot garbage; like upgrade sprues (head + pauldrons + weapon + some pointless accessories to inflate the sprue).
>>98682204>>98682212>The UK officially banned direct imports of crude oil and refined products from russia in December 2022
>>98682218Hence why the jeets launder it for us retard
>>98682193Let's be real no one here would be happy with plastic redesigns of classic legion unitsNot that it matters since they're so expensive everyone gets recasts anyway
Oh right, I forgot that we have a couple of pro-Z weirdos because /pol/s diaper keeps leaking.
Don't feed the obvious /pol/tard troll. Post dreadnoughts instead.
>>98682226I like the red and black and silver.
>>98682216Muh Cthonia got burned by the Dark Angles, such an attrocity against the civillian population of the planet, and the astarters who did wanted to fight. ;tears: After Istvan IV all bets are off my bear loving friend.
>>98682193Agreed, but legion agnostic units need to get plastic models first. FW was fucking retarded for wasting resources on making legion specific praetors and dreadnoughts, when there still was a long laundry list of units that didn't have a model yet Including primarchs for crying out loud.
>>98682226Need to post some bad looking ones, so the good looking ones look even better and cooler.
>>98682239Hey, you painted it, that's more than a lot of people in here can say about the models they don't have lol.
>>98682238GW has the resources to go all-in with parallel development schedules, they're just too mismanaged to do so. A lot of HH stuff is already sculpted and ready to go, but is waiting for the window of release.
>>98681015No it's the old resin one
>>98682250If there's one thing you can trust in it's GW being incompetence.
>>98682259And price hikes, apparently.
>>98682226he shook
>>98682246I know. Sorry about the cool models. But the good side of it is, which is clearly seen on the models, that without zoom I do not really see a lot of the details on the models. So as long as I don't see pictures of my models, I am good. Yours on the other hand, always great. Those and the "You shell fare no better" anon ones, are the most inspiring models on the this forum. As far as me goes at least.
I think my favourite is the sober alcoholic Blood Angels guy.
His models do less like models and more like art. I like the other anons models, because in my mind I think, if I was 20 years younger, had more paints and working hands, I could pull of something kind of a similar.
>>98682331Are you doing all legions?
>>98682190Nah recasts still going bro.
>>98682202Israel and America, thank you.
>>98682356>GW stopped using resin>But muh recast!You should not handle resin or even glue
>>98682361Not an argument. It's pretty easy to kitbash praetors with existing legion bits and characters, buy recasts to avoid the insane gw prices.
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>>98682379I wish I still had the hand rubbing Alpha Legionary beakie pic to post right now.
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>>98682352shattered legions mix dudes, not as much for playing, but rather as a "old divorced dad has nothing to do" kind of a project
>>98682371>not an argumentYes an argument; if you're retarded and can't read you shouldn't handle these products.
>>98682415Thank you, you're the best anon!
>>98682426Ok GW cuck.
>>98682444>GW doesn't do resin (factual statement)>BUY RECAST DON'T SUCK GW COCK REEEEPretending to be retarded is still retarded
>>98682452GW does a shitload of resin, what are you talking about?
>>98682462cite me the last resin release now
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>>98682511For just HH, or in general? Because for HH it's Aster Crohne, but I'm fairly sure ToW's had a couple since this guy
>>98682511I've no idea. For HH it's most likely a Legion-specific unit/character, and those tend to be in resin.>>98682551
>>98682551He's about to try and claim that that is forge world and not GW.
>>98682551>for HH it's aster crohneNot quite. Pic relatedThe last resin release in general.There was a steady stream of around 3 to 4 new resin models revealed during 2023 to 2025 per month.The resin river does not flow anymore.My point was always and only that resin is going away. In effect it is gone, there is no new resin kits.
>>98682571>My point was always and only that resin is going away.>>98682452>GW doesn't do resin (factual statement)It's okay to say you were wrong lets not pretend that's what you were saying.
>>98682571Well sure, nobody is debating that. My point was just that they still do produce and sell resin miniatures, but you're correct that they're not currently putting out anything new in resin.We both win!?
>>98682559>I've no ideaI keep forgetting that most people are genuine clueless retards who don't know shit about the products they spend money on nor the company producing them.It's not hard. It's not complex information. It's public, two google search away.As Carlin said, I suppose>Think about how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
>>98682584>sure nobody is debating thatThey most certainly are, in this very thread, at this very moment.
>>98682571>that awful Lotara modelThe saddest thing is that her creator ADB is such a faggot he probably cheered this on
>>98682592Calm down, there's no point in calling me stupid. Relying on a search engine, especially one that is now powered by ineffective AI-tools, would be the foolish choice.You said cite, so I went looking by hand since I couldn't name one off the top of my head.However given how upset you're acting I'm just going to dismiss you outright instead.
>the final resin miniature release was of a retard having a mental breakdown with an obvious trans-joke attachedI can think of no finer point to make to sum up our autistic anon and his childish games of one-upmanship.
>>98682627>Revealed 14 Feb 25>Released 31 Jan 26Resin bros...
Can you please help me make a 3k Mechanicum list? My main issue is that idk where to put all the HQ I'm going to need.Or what to capture objectives with — attaching Cybernetica Techpriests to Castellax gets old rather fast!
>>98682627>>98682634I was sure they still did new resin for TOW but damn that was also Feb 2025It really is over.
>>98682665I wasn't lying
>>98682536UUU so smooth and cherry.
>>98682627>Huge wings and tons of thin parts that will snap off constantly unless the model is transported with more care than nitroglycerineFunny that the last resin HH model is a perfect example of its shortcomings.
>>98682536So shiny
>>98682696GW's stance of resin is "easy for us to make, you fix the problems"
>>98682688>>98682698
>>98681661>>98681714https://trade.games-workshop.com/article/price-adjustment-on-21st-september/Their trade site.
>>98682696It has rules out of courtesy. It's meant to permanently stand on your shelf.
>>98682731nta but they told about it on warcom last month iirc
>>98682735Anyone who actually uses primarchs or special characters is a faggot anyway. Those are meant for narrative campaigns replicating specific conflicts, not a pick up game because you read some cumsniffing BL novel and think Sevatar or Khsrn is the biggest and bestest
>>98682778>Sevatarwhere does his reputation come from anyway? he barely has any novels to his name
>>98682738Yeah I looked but shouldn't see it. But theur search function for that site is fucked anyway.
>>98682787Glazing by ADB mostly
>>98682789Probably intentionally.
>>98682789A few years ago GW also said the price hikes would be a yearly occurrence from then on, most people know what to expect at this point.
>>98682794>this man runs BL nowWhen did he start shilling Blood Angels though? I just remember that scene in the NL trilogy where he absolutely humiliates them.
>>98682808A Julius Cesar trick. NL in ADB books dunk hard on BA. Now if NL dunk on lame BA, this isn't much of an achivment, but if you make BA like unbeaten giga chads mad berzerkers with magical level of armour/weapons, and you Cesar/NL just beat them, then you are an even bigger Chad. Julius was one of those ancient guys that noticed that people loved power rankings, and he knew how to use it in De Bello Gallco .
>>98682904>>98682808Youre just describing BL fiction. In UM books they dunk on everyone and are the best, in DA books they dunk on everyone and are the best, in NL books they dunk on everyone and are the best. Basically the only exception are gav thrope eldar, even guard dunk on everyone in their books. Thats how protagonist plot armor works.
>>98682794>3/4 are just regular BL things>1/4 are schizo made up bullshit This ADB memelore sucks, there's actual specific things to criticize about his work but none are in that pic.You have to have been truly buckbroken by the mid-2010 culture wars to hate this guy so much, when he's very low in the bullshit scale compared to Abnett or Thorpe, for example
Let me get this straight:1. Any Magos can take a Scyllax retinue.2. Scyllax can join with a Magos from any order, because Scyllax aren't locked to a specific subfaction.3. Because Scyllax are automata, all Magi's Comptroller doesn't work...except a Cybernetica Magos.
>>98682794Damn this is an old one
>>98680680I agree just about the carapace weapon>>98680714Yeah it looks retarded I don't care that you want to be a cheap ass and try to save money on weapon options. It looks like SHIT
>>98678509I wanted to emphasize how inhuman they are and the colours helped with that.
>>98684069You made them look bisexual
>>98684069Well executed but weirdly gay.
>>98684069Should have used some orange/yellow grass tufts, that would go so hard.>>98684129>>98684230You are brainwashed by the woke mind virus, it's clearly synthwave aesthetic.
>>986832541. you don't need to have a Command or High Command for each Retinue choice, just access to the relevant detachment2. Scyllax have to be given one sub-faction from the [Mechanicum] faction at army selection; joining a Magos with a different sub-faction during the battle reduces Leadership and Cool for the Magos and Scyllax by 1 each because of the faction difference3. correct, only specialists can tardwrangle automata enough to control the objective
>>98684268>it's clearly synthwave aesthetic.then where are their rollerskates
>>98684345They got heelys.
>>98678509>aesthetic I wanted my blackshields to look like their colors were not being maintained because they rejected their legions, but all of their wargear is in good condition because that's what's important now. So the legion colors have been burnt or scoured off except for traces in the recesses which would be too troublesome to clear properly (and it distinguishes it from simply black armor) but the guns have color, the grenades are in good shape, the leather is treated well, so the equipment is brings color to the models instead of the armor. The bone on the faceplates is added after the armor is defaced so that's always in good condition as the only affectation they'll allow themselves, as well as any battle honors as that's something an individual has earned so they'll keep them in good shape.Also I wanted an army that did not use edge highlighting or used edge highlighting sparingly so I went with sponging and stippling. It looks bad but it looks bad On Purpose so it actually looks good.
>muh theoretical>muh practical>muh theoretical>muh practicalJesus shut up already. Why did they make Ultramarines so fucking gay? And no, lampshading it by having some smurfs laugh about it doesn't make it any better.
>>98684372Because UM are gay, on a fundamental level.
>>98684372https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_(process)
First heresy thing I've done in like 6 months. Now to get to the gunners, and find 9 100mm bases
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>>98684475>>98684483Are these for militia?
>>98684339>1 & 2I was just stating my incredulity about Scyllax (& Echidnax) being the sole unit available to every High Technoarcana without causing -1 to leadership stats...and they still don't work right unless you are from the Cybernetica faction, as that's the only technoarcana that gets to score Comptroller with them (because Automata).They don't even have a Cybernetica Cortex! Legally they are (still) servitors.
>>98684510Yup, for my tech guard
>>98684372>Jesus shut up already. Why did they make Ultramarines so fucking gay? And no, lampshading it by having some smurfs laugh about it doesn't make it any better.Shut up, Lorgar. HH UM are kino.
>>98684610Monarchia has fallen. Gorillions must die.
>>98684600Cool. Militia got some interesting artillery pieces.
>>98684230>>98684129Thanks I think>>98684268>it's clearly synthwave aesthetic.I'm glad you got what I was going for.Orange tufts does sound good but I also really like the stark difference between the natural looking landscape and the outlandish cyborgs.
>>98684555they work just fine as bodyguards, which is what they're for
>>98684600Could you show us your tech guard, anon?
>>98684795Then who are the guys to capture backfield objectives with?
Interdiction cadre: yay or nay?Kinda annoyed inductii cant do it, feels like it should be right up their alley
>>98685140It's very powerful when used correctly. Personally think that it doesn't fit every legion as well from a thematic point of view, but with a bit of creativity that doesn't have to be an issue (hidden by toxic chem-clouds for DG, needlessly arcanae tech for DA, that sort of thing)
>>98685210>needlessly arcanae tech for DAIdk, I feel like a legion of forest knights (that are experts on all sorts of skullduggery anyways) would do interdiction cadres fine.
>>98685225That's a good point actually. Was only throwing out some quick and dirty examples.
So: let me get this rightA fateweaver cohort gives all the models in it the tzeench trait, which means they get the tzeench special gambit. This gambit means they make their attacks to hit and to wound using the profile of a LoC, and then resolve the damage as if it were a LoC. HOWEVER: you are not actually using the LoCs staff, youre still using your normal weapon for the focus roll (since thats not mentioned anywhere), so if you have a charnabal sabre, you get all of its benefits (+2 to focus roll, essentially). So a SA dude goes at I6 (statistically well before most marine characters) with 6 S6/12 D2 critical hit attacks and WS6? Is that right?
>>98685553That is correct, yes. The magic chicken's stats and weapon are only used during the strike step, not the focus roll-off which happens before it. Could make some random SA guy in a 20 man blob a quite potent duellist that can style on marine characters lol
>>98685593Well, only if he has the prime benefit for champion. But yes. Those random sgt dudes in command squads are about to eat any praetor that comes close.
>>98685630Meant more like a legate marshal in a lasrifle section, but a master sergeant works too.
For fateweaver allies, would you rather a navigator/davinite priest in a 10 man SA squad, or a base tactical command squad? Both units cost basically the same (100~pts), the main difference is that the priest is 2 higher WP and his unit have line(1), but theyre also more fragile and lower LD and stuff.
I glued the the epic scale warhound legs in their default positions but ended up with a god engine that's perpetually hitting the stanky leg. Looking at GW's own photos of warhounds they don't seem to give much a fuck about the ball joint being massively visible or weird stances so I think I just have to fix the issue with shims/terrain pieces to raise the height of one foot and/or 1996 era sand/PVA mix to place under feets that aren''t in the 1 (one) foot position that allow the titan to cleanly make contact with the ground.
>>98685901Good work, Anon
/40kg/ told me to fuck off and ask here instead.Are the 10 Siege of Terra books good and worth the read?
>>98686057No.
>>98686071Okay
>>98686057>black library >worth reading
>>98686057warhawk is funthe rest are very hit and mostly miss
>>98684069Very troon coded scheme.
>>98682738Do you have a source on that?
>>98682805Not if you just joined you don't.
>>98683218I mean he almost killed himself while being the father of a child, so he's a giga faggot for that. Glad he didn't tho. I don't think Abnett or Thorpe can trump that.
>LGS moved mech combat force from temp out of stock to sold outJust because of the pricehike or is something worse afoot? I need my free thanatar now
>>98686494You might be genuinely retarded.
Has anyone dropped the new Prospero journal? I gave the archive a look but couldn't spot it but I'm often retarded.
>>98686550Indeed, it's bisexual lighting, not troon lighting.
>>98686556>Has anyone dropped the new Prospero journal?Yes.
>>98686715NTA but why are you such a faggot whenever anyone asks something?
Surely there's got to be a better way to make despoilers than buying this whole melee weapon set for a mere 10 chainswords?
>>98686916>pr00nting>recasters
>>98686916khorne berzerkers.
>>98686498That's where I remember seeing it, could be wrong.>>98686916Nope and it's on purpose. I don't know what's the name of that practice, but GW loves it.>I want chainswords>get the kit with chainsword and random power weapons>I didn't want or plan for random power weapons, I guess I'll buy more models to use those power weapons on>I only get 4 when I'd like 5, I guess I'll get another to round it up>Guess I'll also buy another squad for all the other stuff tooAnd now GW turned a simple single 60+20 dollar purchase into multiple purchases totalling to 60+20+20+60+???Imagine everytime you wanted to buy glue you also had to buy 3 brushes, nails and half a hammer
>>98686916Bitsbox or MkVI assault marines
>>98686916Assault marines (mk4/mk6), use the marines for vets, use the swords for despoilers.
It must cause an endless amount of seething that hobby sculptors are killing it and either putting out their files for free or really cheaply
>>98687093Why seethe? I thought hobby shit was cool?Also, Minoan double axes were largely ceremonial / lumberjack double axes exist because of sharpening issues, so neither was military.But I guess they do look cool.
>>98687125Hobby shit is cool, not that GW would know lolAnd yes, I agree that Minoan double-axes look silly. I usually trim any that I come across, but I've saved a couple for my Minotaurs in 40K (go figure)
>>98687125Anon almost everything in the grimdark is purely there because it is cool, how realistic or practical is happens to be is an afterthought.
>>98687125This is of course opposed to chainsaw swords, which are practical and widely used by all militaries alongside wolverine claws, hammers, and fucking meteor hammers.
>>98687163True. But I like to pretend there's an explanation nonsensical enough to justify it; that can be fun too!Chainsaws are pressed onto materials rather than swung at, because they sort of bounce off surfaces yeah. But the proper teeth can saw through metal; regular blades literally just don't cut it.This can defeat joints protected by flexible ring mail, which would normally require grappling with a stiletto blade.Thus a marine fighting another marine would still need to strike at the gaps in the foe's power armour, but wouldn't require a different blade. And chainweapons inflict more damage on flesh than the otherwise clean powerblade cuts.OR USED TO!
>>98675727>play 4k game against EC with DA >opponent has fulgrim transfirgured with them, I didnt have a primarch >play with two handicaps, no primarch and DA >somehow pull off the win because Fulgrim got tarpitted by a legion champion on jetbike and his command squad on jetbike, while the EC command squad was mauled to death >Corswain mauls apart all EC characters he encounters>Sicaran Omega overloads turn 1, then eradicates a tactical squad next turn >Seeker squad uncontested firing on sunkillers 24/7 because the Land raider with knights cenobium was focused (unsuccessfully) >veteran combi bolter squad melts enemy squad on objective >Kakophoni squad eradicated by plasma deredeo >mfw DA may not be that bad
>>98687411Idk, maybe putting all those points on a primarch instead of plasma vehicles maybe wasn't such a good idea of his
>>98682226hello fellow dark angels player
>>98687435>VolkiteBased.I'm torn on the whole "Dreadnought holding a weapon" meme. I've seen it done well, like sticking the axe and shield from the SW dread on a Contemptor, but that sword is just ridiculously huge and would be very awkward to swing imo.
>>98687451>but that sword is just ridiculously huge and would be very awkward to swing imoI can see what you mean, but I saw that sword floating about in my bits and just had to try to make a cool conversion. I am still very happy about it, and the rule of cool helps in this case, I think My dA have all sorts of wonderous kitbashed units, I also have pictures of my improvised Interemptors, since I was not ready to pay those ridiculous prices, so I tried my best to make something unique insteadGranted, I will try next time to build them differently, but I think it came out alright
>>98687475>plasma-disintegrator>kills everything, but does it with HEAT>also underslung tactical nuke
>>98687451That hand axe bit is such a fun thing. I want to use it with my World Eaters dread once I'm done with my current projects.
Mortis-style dreads are fun as well, overgrown gunslingers that they are.
>>98687481>Underslung tactical nuke That was because the shredders had a vague look of a flamer to me, so for good measure I attached it so that it has more of that "flamer part that ignites it all" feelingI can show you the "Plasma Incinerators" too, but I really am proud of my Praefectus, I kinda like the super clunky weapon kitbash, makes it look like an abomination prototype weapon of old night
>>98687475>>98687493I like your stuff, anon. Hide those purity seals before someone has a conniption, though.
>>98687411DA are good. People are just stupid and only look at their legion trait, ignoring everything else.
>>98687501>Complaining about purity seals on DADon't look too closely at the official deathwing companions and knights cenobium miniatures anon, you might have a stroke.
>>98687501>Hide those purity seals before someone has a conniption, though.I figured those were more like Oaths of moment, I saw one dA with pieces of parchment so I used seals from Pentient engines And thank you! I do a bit of kit bashing, because it brings me a bit of joy to personalize
Oh and while I was looking through my pictures, I was wondering, how much do you kitbash, /hhg/? Got any new kitbashes? Something interesting you would like to try but not sure what? Post some kitbashes if you have them I could use some inspiration! Regarding the emblem on the Scimitar jetbike, the command squad is part of it's own Order within this force, known to use their bikes to speed across surfaces where Infantry cannot advance and fight things there
>>98687542I like kitbashing. Especialy to build characters and heroes options. Not much a lover of resin. Would much rather have my dudes in plastic.
>>98687411Anon, primarchs are - generally speaking - bad and fulgrim transfigured is one of the worse primarchs because of how expensive he is and how his rules are actively detrimental to his success in game (via requiring challenges from him). DA are also not at all weak, their legion trait isnt flashy but its good, and their detachments and units are great (companions are nuts, but interemptors and cenobium are also very good).But from the sounds of it: it went exactly as you would expect. He brought a giant super expensive deathstar that cost like 25% of his army, you brought more and better guns. Guess which one does more for you?
>the next pages from the black books article will have pages from the unreleased book 10and nobody here is talking about it?
>>98687542>I was wondering, how much do you kitbash, /hhg/?About as much as reason and my wallet will allow. Basically the only units I have that are "fresh from the box" are some tacticals and vehicles. Last one was some despoilers/terror squad using berzerkers and csm parts. But there was also a quick and easy terminator librarian conversion using the WB praetor. Just swapped his shoulderpad, scraped off some flames, and changed the back piece to one from the contekar. And gave him a force axe, because I like axes.
>>98687706"actually we planned to add primaris and female marines all along, also the lost primarchs were ork sisters who got purged because they were too good and the emperor was scared, but if they were still around the heresy would have been over because they would beat horus"
>>98687720They weren't purged. They were too powerful for that to happened they were imprisoned in two tessaract vaults. Which cracked, when the Eye of Terror spilled out in to the real space after Cadia fell. In fact one of the sisters was called Cadia.
>>98687744They actually werent imprisoned, they just made it look like they were. One went and secretly manipulated chaos into their infighting while the other is secretly guiding the imperium from the shadows.
>>98687489Yes.
>>98687762Makes sense . They let an image of them be imprisoned. Brilliant.
>>98687773Valdor knew they were too important to be imprisoned and helped hide the truth, and then - out of shame for what he helped do to them - wiped his own memories of the event.
>>98687513Somebody take away brother Sizlack's access to the armoury.
>>98687687>primarchs are - generally speaking - bad and fulgrim transfigured is one of the worse primarchsI figured investing into big melee stat sticks is a trap most of the time due to the nature of only having 4 turns>their legion trait isnt flashy but its good, and their detachments and units are great (companions are nuts, but interemptors and cenobium are also very good)I feel like cenobium have been performing very consistent, whereas companions are not that outstanding (At least artificer armor ones, chances are terminator variants perform much better)All in all I feel like most people in my HH circle focus too much on expensive units, whereas I was taught by grognards who play like 6th ed 40k to never over invest into one single unit if it cannot perform at least points neutral, so I avoid it>mfw a cheap unit eradicates some elite unit by pure mass of bolt rounds
>>98687706Book 10 was unreleased, how would we know if they're full of shit?
>>98687928>I figured investing into big melee stat sticks is a trap most of the time due to the nature of only having 4 turnsYup. In most situations a primarch does what a praetor does, except at 3x/4x the cost and giving a bunch of extra VP if they die, which means they still need their bodyguard units unless theyre corax. >All in all I feel like most people in my HH circle focus too much on expensive units, whereas I was taught by grognards who play like 6th ed 40k to never over invest into one single unit if it cannot perform at least points neutral, so I avoid itYou dun good. And yea, that will just win you games. Big deathstars are good in a fight, but if you just dont give them one they fall apart. Although if you DO want to give them a fight, companions (any flavor) are some of the best units to do so due to their eternal warrior. >>mfw a cheap unit eradicates some elite unit by pure mass of bolt roundsThis is the philosophy I try and build my army around. Its why I like seekers so much. The thought of some decorated champion, a paragon of his legion renowned and feared by all, being gunned down like a dog alongside all his cunt friends gets me erect. it is not popular with my opponents
/40kg/ told me to come here to find retards who love marvel superheroes/primarchsSo what do you think about primarchs
>>98688004Gay and so is anyone who uses them. If you want capeshit named characters go to /40kg/. HH is about your unnamed dudes and sensible armies.
>>98687706>and nobody here is talking about it?Without Alan Bligh's notes there ain't no more black books, easy as that.
>>98687744>one of the sisters was called CadiaGolden Throne preserve me, I chuckled.
>>98687928>>mfw a cheap unit eradicates some elite unit by pure mass of bolt roundsNo way bro, bolters are AP-. That means they're suboptimal ;^)
>>98687958>The thought of some decorated champion, a paragon of his legion renowned and feared by all, being gunned down like a dog alongside all his cunt friends gets me erect.I am of the idea Headhunter combi-bolter are high enough RPM and penetration they can pulp a marine in two.
>>98688004Depends on the primarch. Which do you like?
>>98687930I surely hope that they will launch a made to order campaign for the black books. I own only 1st ans 2nd, the other books are too expensive
>>98687771What head is that? Kino btw.
>>98687511>>98687513Long pieces of parchment hanging or wrapped around is totally fine.The wax seal is not, imo.
>>98687093The models are so nice too.
>>98686550Not as much as a troon LOL
>>98688088Thanks. Body is from a DG dread.Arms + legs from the NL dread. Head is from the IH dread. Shamelessly stolen from some anon here.
>>98687542Lots. >>98687583Plastic is great but resin still has the fancier bodies when you want someone flashy, but only the resin models that don't have the arms and head molded on
>>98688127
>tfw the 10 cataphractii from the HH box I have are now an endangered species. Suddenly I actually have to worry about which weapons I give them because I can't just easily get more, damn.
>>98687706I just got home and saw that.What the fuck?
>>98687706>and nobody here is talking about it?Why would anyone here have any reason to click on those articles when we have the genuine thing?
>40k guy is hovering over our table as we play some ZM>he a custodesfag and wants to get into 30k>tell him that custodes are a really strong faction and that he should consider getting into marines >"Oh because it'd be too easy for me to stomp you guys? Sounds like it's lore accurate.">correct him and say that 30k isn't a competitive game and that we're all trying to have a good time >he stomps back to his table alone and just rolls dice in his $100 faux leather amazon drop shipped tray for 2 hours because he has no opponentthere's a latent narcissism that seeps out of these mouthbreathers that physically repulses me
>>98688102Holy shit that dread is cool.
>>98688403Yes. Its why I shamelessly ripped it off. >>98688220black book 10 nevervolume 10 never
>>98688326I mean, that IS the power fantasy with custodes right? But desu I think in terms of actually winning games theyre balanced, theyre just very very good at kicking ass.
>>98688326Honestly I always kinda feel for these dudes until I spend 10 minutes talking to them and am reminded of exactly how they are.
>>98687706After Book 9 (I seriously even forgot what it's called, it wasn't Angelus that's for sure) I don't really give a fuck
>>98688407custodes have always been a very uninteractive army which necessitates you to never engage them in combat with anything you aren't willing to lose immediatelyit's incredibly hard to teach a custodes player the game because, at low points levels, they just roll you overdoubly so if it's two new players and one of them is a custodesfag>>98688408three out of the five new people expressing interest in 30k at my lgs are custodesfagsone of them tried to argue with another new guy that the word "may" means that he isn't allowed to do whatever action it wasthe army attracts a certain type
>>98688326Terra was a mistake
>>98687435The head looks hiding and shy.
>>98688102Very cool nice kitbash, thanks anon.
>>98688494>it's incredibly hard to teach a custodes player the game because, at low points levels, they just roll you overCounterpoint': at low pts levels they deterministically lose the game quite a lot of the time to 1/2 tactical squads. Because one tactical squad in one turn scores as much as any custodes unit can score if it sits on the objective the whole game.But yes, youre absolutely right about custodes being not very engaging/interactive. Theyre a skew army which punishes melee extremely hard and requires specific tools to kill. They reward playing the game in a way that denies them the chance to do what they want to do (melee) and thats not super fun. But at the same time you CAN just disengage from them, just dont play their game and they arent very good at winning. Theyre balanced, theyre just aids a lot of the time.
>>98688197Recasts exist now.
>>98688326I guess it would make sense if he was a Japanese schoolgirl and ended his sentences with "fu-fu-fu".I get what he's trying to do (socialize via headbutting like goats do) but that just doesn't work with everyone. I hope he grows out of it soon?
>>98688541yeah but sptk is going out of business and I'm lazy and have to find a new one
>>98687706it'll probably cover some of the existing EB lore; the roadmap (don't have the picture for you) covers some things that ended up in EB, so we know some work on those battles already existed for inclusion
Does anyone have a file of the Prospero Tactica?
>>98688668Dont believe so, at least here it was only posted as a bunch of individual images. I guess you could manually compile them.
>>98688405After book 9? Good. I almost don't want to see what they will put out. Almost.
>>98688717I dont know if youre talking about RWBY or the black books, but I agree
Are the titans in the room with us now honey?
>>98688678Damn, I tried looking the pictures going back the last few threads but couldn’t find em. If anyone has the pictures I’d love it, I’d even compile it and post for everyones viewing pleasure
>>98688814I have most of them I think, forgot to save the horrors and flamers.
>>98688835rules for the custard command squad.
>>98688838the custodes catamite division
Welp I just ordered the autismus maximus battle group
>>98688840Magicians red.
>>98688842The real bullshit is here.
>>98688844tzeench rules continued.
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>>98688856The tzeench demons are (LoC aside) kinda poopoo. Heralds are okay I guess, but the lords are just omega mogged by sovereigns.
>>98688859more demons (I think).
>>98688835I've got horrors but somehow I'm also lacking flamers
>>98688862The most bullshit cohort in the game. Seriously, how can loyalists even compete.
>>98688866Like, I hope youre prepared for davinite lodge priests and navigators to show up as allies in a LOT of traitor lists. Just so much flexibility (remove terrain for LoS purposes, status shit, boost scoring) for such a minimal cost (like 100pts). Also fateweaver cohort characters are better than most praetors in a challenge. That jojo stand gambit is nuts.
>>98688870Ah, forgot the ascendant lord.
Would kairic acolytes heads work for solar auxilia fateweaver cohort?
>>98688875Absolutely. Fateweaver is license to go absolutely "mask off" in terms of chaos, everything from "this cohort is subtly corrupted" to "straight up chaos cult, the rank and file are busy doing human sacrifices and the commanding officer has a demon whispering in his ear while styling himself as a pagan god king"
>>98688881>the commanding officer has a demon whispering in his ear while styling himself as a pagan god king
>>98688897Yup, feel free to use that as your legate marshal if you want. Maybe his lifewards are LITERALLY lifewards, magically bonded thralls that he keeps as ritual fodder.
>>98688405>SpoilerTrue>Spoiler 2False. 100 more volumes!
>>98687706Ashen claws stealing more shit it seems. The already stole UM and NL geneseed as well as equipment when they debuted. I hope theres more heist shinanigans.
>>98688550>ended his sentences with "fu-fu-fu".>tfw no rich ojou sama that will defeat you with her expensive custodes army
>>98688980Would humble arrogant ojou-sama at warhammer.
>>98688842>Lord of Change is a primarch tier warlordNice to see
>>98689233Yea, its good to see the greater demons be appropriately spooky. I assume that when they eventually get around to the bloodthirster hell be WS8 S7/8 and maybe 8A and stuff. and then any random SA sgt with master sgt can use that fuckers statline to smack people
>>98689233Honestly hes probably better than most primarchs. Hes not quite as good in a fight, but the psychic powers are super good on him.
>>98688897>>98687542>Something interesting you would like to try but not sure what?this thing with the daemon whispering in his ear; I've always wanted to do probably a horror kind of emerging from a blind Terminator (he'd have a bandana over his eyes), like a familiar-sized thing acting as his eyes, but otherwise not a chaos-terminator or possessed; it's just sort of there, half monkey on his back half extension of his armour plates, not fixed to any one thing but with the sense that it's riding within him, visible only as it emerges from the various parts of him where it makes contact, but that these aren't fixed points of emergence or damaging him or his armour; whispering to him with a mouth but the rest of the face is pulled around, looking away, extra eyes in the hands and feet, extra limbs, no real symmetrylike the dude is fully possessed and he just doesn't know it; he thinks he summoned a helpful spirit and bound it correctly, and he's absolutely boned himselfproblem is it's both way beyond my patience to pull off and not really that unique of an idea when you have off the shelf models doing the same concept (and I'm reasonably sure this is not even the only one that's done it); don't really feel like spending hours assembling plastic crack from I don't know, probably three or four kits minimum to get all the unique-looking basis down, then making some kind of spider-horror out of parts and parts of parts and greenstuff until it's right, then finding the way to paint it - doesn't seem like the best use of time, it's up there with tracking down all those old "IX" embossed mk6 pauldrons from the Devastator box just to make a BA mk6 tactical squad; if you have them or most of them, sure, if not, why man, what is the reason why
>>98689285>blind TerminatorFu-fu-fu B^)
Does this look about right? Im trying to size some boxnaughts to be in scale with my contemptors.
>>98689233It's so refreshing after the endless watering down happening in the other game systems. Always wanted to play Tzeentch daemons, but one look at the 40k rules is enough to immediately change my mind. >>98689259That baleful gaze template is nuts, up to 4 flamer templates in a turn it charges with high strength, breaching, and D3 damage.
>>98688840Helot Tercio is unreasonably useful because of that Faction Trait change; Instil Order is pegged to the Irregulars rule (which is great because you're still scoring even if you're under a Status) and not Imperialis Militia Trait, and your first Provenance is free, so they can have all kinds of bullshit going on like Infiltrate (18) or Endless Horde (4+), or a bunch of fire support teams with seismic cannons or heavy mining lasers being ignored because they're militia until they're eating a terminator squad or a small knightlike the discipline masters are almost a trap choice, they're not really useful unless you're desperate for scoring (which SA won't be, even with Psycho-Conditioning there are better units than Infantry Troops for that) and they award too many VP if you take them in numbers, they're only really useful for making reactions at WP7but then you're also getting access to the SA reactions via the Trait so you can do random bullshit like flooding the board with a pair of full-size levy troops with bayonets and daring the other guy to charge them, and it doesn't really matter what the Provenance is or what the rest of the detachment is doing, because you've got 50-100 expendable models down on the board and if necessary you can do the other reaction instead and give them a 5++ for the turnbut mainly you can just put a bunch of completely expendable cheap units out front while you're planning how to Golden Sparrow Nest or whatever the hell it is custodes actually do with their four guys per 1000 pointsfun
>>98689517It doesn't. Castraferrum are suppose to be more squat and short than the contemptor.
>>98689563>That baleful gaze template is nutsYea, its pretty good. >>98689565Youre not really selling me on them desu. Its just a way to make worse militia allies, a thing you could already do as everyone except custodes. You arent getting anything out of them now being SA because you use your regiment on it, and they dont give the rest of the army their special irregulars stuff either. And the tests to score or react WILL hurt them, because militia chaff have abysmal mental stats. Dont get me wrong, theres absolutely some value there, at least for custodes. The ability to just have those cheap infantry or heavy weapons options is a godsend for the army. But outside of that context the regiment is worthless and downright "worse than normal SA" (because regular SA from any other regiment, not even just fateweaver) get something for it. Whether thats free reactions, scoring cav, tanks with the DG trait or that ever helpful pinning +1. AND you lose out on legion auxilia, and while a lot of them are often sidegrades/irrelevant (lol damnatii), theres some good shit there too (the AL ones for example, nuts, UM ones, nuts, WS ones, nuts).
>>98689565>which is great because you're still scoring even if you're under a StatusBut youre not, because the militia troopers are like WP5. And while the stunned status wont prevent them scoring, the rule does say they need to pass the check to score anyways. Your cheap meat are, in this detachment, just that, cheap meat. Theyre bodies you throw to waste attention or bullets away from your custodes.
>>98689517>primaris tit turrets
>>98689569Alright take 2, which of these 3 seems the best? Probably the middle one? I thought to add a base this time, only the bottom one actually has his toes fit on the 60mm, but it just looks too small?>>98689622Little rip, fixable. Gotta get the scale right first. Plus, techically they are searchlights.
>>98689653>pr*maris castaferrum
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>>98688550BROTHER is my wolf pelt fuwa fuwa? My ironform does not allow me to feel it.
I am once again, e-begging for the Wilph Contemptor file, or any of his files.
Is there any official rules about base sizes in HH? I have an idea to use my Beakie Praetor as a Centurion because his guys got absorbed into a larger force with a more Veteran Praetor/Warmsith and he’a very bitter about it.
>>98688897That arm would be excellent for a TS Ecoterrorist
>>98689967What size is he on? Usually go with the base he comes with, tho some HQs are on 40mm now.
>>98690058Only those two weird praetor models from the AoD box were on 40mm. To this day they are the only non-terminators power armour marines on that base size.
>>98690058He’s already on the 40mm he came with. While I did superglue him, I don’t want to rip a fully painted model off the base just for a fun idea I had lmao.
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