>>98679111
A slasher's lair.

>>98679111
>>98679111
>TQ Hard Mode
Mexico, for both. Got some dedicated material for it unlike a lot of places, and being right on America's border, it didn't get the whitewashing so many other poor/violent countries received.

>>98678990
oh my god they're all defending w5 and calling everyone who doesn't like it a grognard chud and then saying that cult of fenris is the best thing the game has done

>>98678707
Wait till you find out that wyld spirits can be hearded into a silver enclosure and zapped to make quint. Garou "nation" in shambles while while some dude is using that energy to power his enlightened sexbot. Brutal.

Can garou smell magic? Like if I turn a minion into a crow would they be able to tell thats not a regular crow?

>>98679428
>Can garou smell magic?
nope. they have sense wyrm/weaver/wyld gifts but that's it and to be honest how effective they are is heavily overstated they need a roll and only tell you that something related to the wyrm/weaver/wyld is in the same room or not
>Like if I turn a minion into a crow would they be able to tell thats not a regular crow?
not at all. one garou mentions that he hates cities because he has no way of knowing if any and every spider he sees is not part of a ananasi without sidestepping and even then that is not completely reliable

the one exception to that are undead minions (vampire or wraiths) taking the form of a animal because they can sense that it's dead

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>>98679158
I'm actually preparing a Mexico City game that will feature the 4 founding gods of Mexico as kindred. So far I've got:

Quetzalcoatl -Setite
Xipe Totec - Tzimisce
Tezcaltlipoca - La Sombra
Huitzilopochtli - Gangrel or Baali like he actually is in Diablerie: Mexico
Mictlantecutli - Obvious Cappadocian
Cipatl - Wyrm/Abyss
The moon goddess could be a metaphor for woofs in which the moon chasing the sun means Huitzilopochtli has been bitchslapping Woofs since day 1 and that's why Cipatl awakens if Woofs win. And that's why the 5th sun/current world ends in 2027 (unsure if Jan-feb or October according to archaeological records.) He is gonna wake up soon. That's why it feels like everything's going more to shit now than ever.

Players start getting shovelheaded before being sent on a suicide attack on a Cam fort, having to deal with being fresh embraces and being forced to choose a faction unless they're fine taking on a pack priest and a Sheriff on their first night to go Anarch. Find Huitzilopochtli in his tomb first, and either Diablerize him before he brings back the Good Ol Days since he has no knowing or caring about what a masquerade is, or join him and fight packs of woofs as all other 3 gods want you dead now for serving a Baali/Gangrel Metuselah.

Yes, I am on something.

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Hey if V6 ripped off d&d/Dagger heart then the rest of 6e should commit to it.

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>>98679304
>using that energy to power his enlightened sexbot
That'd be an amazing Mage game if the sexbot slowly became sentient and tried to free itself from you.

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>>98679537
>Players start getting shovelheaded
Are you going to let the players choose their clan, or are they rolling? Or maybe you are the one who decides?

>>98679481
They (Uktena) have a sense magic gift too.

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>>98679689
Seeing as I am running first time players and a Sabbat pack may be literally any clan/antitribu I'm happy letting them pick anything, though I do intend each prologue of us brainstorming the character together as the PCs last day before getting bonked and thrown into a mass grave. I can tell em they wake up knowing something changed in them and figuring out who sired them as we pick the Clan together and me recommending clans based on what their last day is like.

>>98679689
>Followers of Set meet Mokole.webm

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>>98679111
>What are some of the most dangerous locations in WoD/CofD?
>Hard Mode
>It cant be in a different plane of existence.
Mexico is a good candidate on Earth. There are more dangerous and numerous candidates in different planes of existence. The Abyss, Malfeas, the Last Battleground, any Hell etc.

In reality though, actually most dangerous to a human is a forest. It isn't the most dangerous but it is the most common danger to normal humans.

>>98679111
Alamut, believing in anything but the path of blood, while Ur-Shulgi's running his purge.

Alternatively, Alamut after triggering their busted defense network (or generally just ending up in an elder Vizier's shit list).
>Directing Ahriman’s Lance
>The ashipu must fashion a sympathetic connection to a target out of a talisman small enough to be swallowed. Then, she must swallow it, wait an hour, and then cut the talisman out of her own belly. Other sorcerers may assist in this undertaking, which inflicts a minimum of two levels of unsoakable lethal damage on the one performing the ritual. Until the next inauspicious night, any Kindred who holds the talisman will find that the spirits bless his efforts to kill the target.
>System: To determine how long the ritual lasts, the ashipu must first use the Horoscope ritual against the target or, if the birth date and death date of the target is unknown, he may cast a horoscope for the assassin who will wield the talisman. In the latter case, only that assassin may benefit from the talisman’s properties, but in the former case, anyone can use the talisman. When Horoscope is used in conjunction with this ritual, the talisman will function for a number of nights equal to the successes rolled for the Horoscope. During that time, any roll made by the bearer of the talisman which bring him closer to killing the target benefit from a difficulty reduction equal to the successes rolled for this ritual.

There's also another ritual of theirs the blood pool sorcerers can mass-cast. It reduces them by a generation, but in exchange gives every Assamite in Alamut a flat reduction in difficulty to a task set by the clan (such as winning a war, or hunting down an intruder).

>>98679782
true but the question was specifically for garou

>>98679111
Chorazin if you are using the optional canon around it, as some of it is from the v20 true black hand book which states that it's optional features: the largest still existing well of sacrifice the largest population of both nergalist baali and azaneali lead by the founder of the azaneali who claims to also have become a demonlord. liches from the circle of red. atleast 13 earthbounds. a portal to a Qlippoth realm and possibly the sleeping body of a neverborn and a spectre cult all "allied" for the lack of a better term

>>98679831
>The Boss loses their Elder Mojo
>But me and all my homies 1+ to all tasks related to beating your infidel ass.
Never let anyone tell you the Banu aren't awesome. Goddamn.
>>98679481
Unless they have that one merit, then Licks can LARP as birbs all night.

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>>98666676
So, does anyone know how the roadtrip anon writing goes?

>>98679428
Only through Gifts.
>Can garou smell magic?
Uktena Rank 1 Gift, Sense Magic
>Like if I turn a minion into a crow would they be able to tell thats not a regular crow?
Philodox Rank 1 Gift, Scent of the True Form

>>98680047
Found it, and it's even more powerful than that. It's not the leadership, rather the Keepers Of The Pool (priests in charge of the not!Dune pool of "life blood" that every Assamite puts the blood they collect into).
They have a unique school of Thaumaturgy called The Keepers Way, and that cast is its ultimate:
>••••• Cast into the Pool of Blood
>This spell must always be cast by four sorcerers. By emptying themselves of blood points with their hands in the pool, the practitioners can feel the blood of all members of the clan flowing through them, and can impact the immediate fate of the Clan Assamite. All participants gain one Generation during the casting, as the potency of their blood is permanently used to influence the clan’s fate. Though they may not control time, nor impact things directly, through the power of this ritual they may dramatically impact the result of a series of events. In effect, they choose a goal to accomplish, which must be agreed to by all casting members.
>For each success, choose one of the following:
>• Individuals gain –1 difficulty on relevant actions (to a minimum difficulty 3).
>• Individuals gain +1 die on relevant actions (to a maximum +5 dice).
>• Those obstructing the goal gain +1 difficulty (to a maximum difficulty 9).
>• Those obstructing the goal lose 1 die (to a minimum dice pool 1).
>For example: If the goal is to prevent an army from invading Alamut, all warriors would receive bonuses to their rolls made to defend the city, and all sorcerers would gain bonuses to rituals in defense of the collective, while enemies would suffer penalties to attack the Assamites therein.

The fact that the Tremere/Ventrue alliance succeeded in the crusades is either a testament to how much more bullshit they are, or fiat.

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>>98675745

so it turns out that my mage players are really shit at exterminating xenomorphs (although random dice gods really been on the xenos side) this was meant to be a silly one act thing

and now it seems like it's gonna be the entire chronicle

>>98680243
The best kind of chronicles are the organic ones like that.
(They should go to the Void Engineer academy with the sexy teacher for proper xeno fighting etiquette)

>>98679592
>Your Stacytron decides to leave you because someone gave it the ability to think
Can't Iteration X do anything right? HITmarks never had those problems.

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>>98680243
As the residential xenomorph fetishist, I approve of this new development.
>>98680276
>They should go to the Void Engineer academy with the sexy teacher for proper xeno fighting etiquette
This one?

>>98679859
>liches from the circle of red
Which one? There are like 3 "circle of reds".

>>98680325
the Veneficti so the byzantine fellowship not the hermetic cabal

which one is the third one?

>>98679111
>What are some of the most dangerous locations in WoD/CofD?
In the chronical I play in, so far it appears to be an abandoned fallout shelter underneath a park downtown.

>>98680276
>They should go to the Void Engineer academy with the sexy teacher for proper xeno fighting etiquette
one of them is a VE even. A bit more context group of 3 player character + 2 hitmarks been send to figure out why there was some weirdness in the german city of bielefeld where the city seemed to only semi exist sometimes if even that and found a etherite cabal working on a multiversal nexus machine that wasn't working as intended and was phasing the city in and out of reality. So obviously they blow it up which caused a seqence i based on the og half life meaning it opened a portal to a alien world

they decided to try to clean this up themselves because it would look better on the report and like i said fucked up hard during the fight because aliens rolled liked gods and had to run with the portal to the xenomorph hive in another universe still open

now they want to look if they can't find other splats to use as canon fooder because they really don't want to report this
>>98680309
>As the residential xenomorph fetishist, I approve of this new development.
what are your opinions on splat-xenomorphs like the predalien from AvP?

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Remember the moths

>>98679167
Please continue with septards updates.

>>98680341
nta. But the circle of red as described in dark age werewolf is meant to be the same circle (probably) as the one described in devil's due, but it's so different (few mages of hermetic and chloister stock and a large number of unawakened thrall assassins and merchants who do inferalism for profit vs all awakened mages with unique magic who make defilement of the divine will their entire thing) that some people consider them different groups even though they are in the same place at the same time. Which to be fair given how small supernatural numbers are in wod could technically be true

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>>98675740
Here's something I whipped up, anon. I've been feeling pretty crappy today, so I apologize if it isn't up to snuff. I'll try to do some touch up after taking some meds and getting a bit of rest.

The Ananasi have a term for all the Fera created by Gaia, the "Ovid." But is there a collective term for all the Bug Fera?

>>98680447
considering the only non-ovid (bug) fera that exists currently are the Ananasi I dont think there is a term
We will have to come up with one ourselves

>>98680389
Wdym? Fluff or crunch? Crunch isnt my forte but I can offer a few suggestions. If youre the anon from a few threads back, I was the one who gave you the stat block so you wont need to repost it.

Do we have a google doc for the moths or what?

>>98680494
or what, it seems

>>98680447
>Ovid
I propose "Horace" or "Virgil".

>>98680063
Promethean makes everything go to shit accidentally like it's the Hangover movie series

>>98680173
>>For each success, choose one of the following:
>>• Individuals gain –1 difficulty on relevant actions (to a minimum difficulty 3).
>>• Individuals gain +1 die on relevant actions (to a maximum +5 dice).
>>• Those obstructing the goal gain +1 difficulty (to a maximum difficulty 9).
>>• Those obstructing the goal lose 1 die (to a minimum dice pool 1).
>For each success
So, if you roll enogh successes, you could make people opposing your agenda to "Diablerize All These Infidels" have to roll a 9 with 1 die pool. Jiminie.

>>98680463
i can do the crunch the question was more in line of if i should be that mean

>>98680412
>whining to admins that they haven't done enough like using w5 rules to give the black furies a completely spotless history with only a mythical connection to the amazonians even though the admins already bent over backwards banning black furies from being transphobic or hating men
>removal of any ethnic connections is a good thing
>removing lupus having unique gifts like they did in w5 even though half of them only play lupus
>completely taking a get of fenris quote out of context about how 18th-19th century women's attitudes made them weaker and that overcoming their perceived weakness made them stronger was actually misogynistic and a chud thing to say
>namedropping swords of heimdall from wikipedia quotes even though they never read anything pre-w5

>>98680447
it's boring but the breed book uses "Insect-people" or just "the insects"

>Weaver made the Insect-people to create order, to enforce the beliefs of Weaver above all else. Ananasa did not agree with that decision. She had seen that Wyld and Wyrm both served their purposes, and so she made a contingency plan. We are the fruit of her labors.

>Mokolé, for all their strength and wisdom, were not the proper soldiers to fight against the Insects. They were too large, too slow to do battle with the armies that assaulted them. The Rokea were not capable of straying from the water for long, and they too were not prepared for the battle ahead. But we were designed for just such a task.

>>98680602
I see. If youre refering to the predalien being able to impregnate people by 'kissing' them: I never considered that canon and the explanation it was a "proto queen" never sat right with me because it wasnt even a praetorian facehugger that impregnated Scar in the first AVP movie. Aside from that, fantastic design. They definitely should be bigger and stronger than a drone/warrior spawned from a human. Xenomorphs being able to take qualities of their hosts is my favorite aspect of them. I would probably not allow them access to the supernatural aspects of the setting though. Maybe if a metis garou gets impregnated you can have a metis xenomorph but gifts and even shapeshifting should be off the table in my opinion.

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>>98680442
It's okay! Take your time, I'm in no rush. It looks very nice as is, especially the neckerchief. Very chic. Though I must say the naked apron style certainly is... an eye-catching choice to put it politely, especially if those little tie-offs by her hips are what I think they are. My players are a bit prudish so a little bit more clothing under the apron would be appreciated, but don't feel like you need to tone down the sex appeal. I know it's important to her character, after all.
Here, take this Arabian Sand Boa as a token of appreciation.

>>98680578
And there's plenty of rituals and paths to boost your chances at getting those successes.
Issue is it's unlikely to actually happen because the written-IQ for NPCs sometimes hits single digits, if that.

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September was thirty-three years ago

>Start running part 2 of my hunter the vigil campaign
>Immediately worry that I super overplayed my hand, though I was never intending it to be super duper subtle

So the cell is in a town in rural ontario. After being at ground zero for two murders(one of them was the Slasher they were hunting, who was also a ghoul), the leader of the local cult of fish people(whom they'd kind of already figured out) showed up at their B+B, explicitly calling them humans and holding them accountable for the fish people death. The priest PC managed to calm him down and explain how the other dead guy was the killer, but they were still told to leave town until things calmed down.

This was due to the new player's one shot necessitating a time skip, and I decided that thanks to said timeskip, the person they thought they saved in part 1 would get ghouled by the BBEG(a toreador vampire). Their re-introduction to him was bombastic, perhaps a bit too much so, with the guy being dressed like Jeffree star or some other makeup influencer, with the same over the top speech patterns, talking about their great new manager.

The party was IMMEDIATELY suspicious, but I don't think that's necessarily too bad, because I don't think ghouls(especially young people) are necessarily going to be the most subtle or suddenly super good at manipulating. The toreador is trying to create an environment where the fish people won't feel safe in their realm, so they turned the kid into an influencer to lure people to move into town and make it a new metro hub. I'm just worried I was a little bit too over the top.

>>98680880
It's fine, I'd say. Not every supernatural, even vampires, need be subtle, always on the ball super genius manipulators. And I personally always appreciate when something highlights the genuine drawbacks of ghouls. Not everyone remains a stable and effective minion once they get a hit of the best drug imaginable. Especially if you have social disciplines, there are plenty of cases where normal mortals can do the job better.

In any case, obviously being suspicious doesn't mean they can just blast the ghoul, or even kidnap him for interrogation. Even with a minor following, you'll need to make sure to attack the guy when he's offline, and do it in a way that's subtle enough to not make it seem like foul play.

>>98680949
plus, it gives them a reason to investigate his manager. All the breadcrumbs leading to the vampire are going to be either tenuous or circumstantial, even though they're not necessarily the most subtle villain.

I just got nervous when I said "Are you back on another hunting trip" and they IMMEDIATELY all locked in on him.

>>98680880
>talking about their great new manager.
Yeah I would be immediately suspicious of that if that was something brought up in the reintroduction.
>I don't think ghouls(especially young people) are necessarily going to be the most subtle or suddenly super good atmanipulating.
Ghouls are normally a means to an end. Its mainly a question of What purpose do they serve? I once had a ghoul that served no other purpose than being the legal owner of my haven. I didnt need him to be smart, strong, or charismatic. I just needed someone to let me live in their basement and occasionally lend me their car.
>I was never intending it to be super duper subtle
Can you elaborate on that? Im mainly curious about your pacing. Is the toreador just the big bad for a story or the whole chronicle? Were you intending on making the influencer a way for the cell to get to the Toreador?

>>98680063
A dysfunctional caravan consisting of
>A working class fisherman Lasombra who was Embraced by total accident and was only kept alive because the Toreador Prince of the area thought it would be funny if he used this as a way to mock his hated enemies. “Look at your noble blood in this commoner as I make him do humiliating errands for my amusement!”
>A Fianna Ahroun lady from Scotland who had a late First Change. Knows almost nothing about the Garou culture whatsoever
>An Imbued Hunter who’s just generally drifting through life, clearly having given up on normality at this point
>A Lost Darkling Razorhand who’s spent 20 years being groomed into a sociopath who derives pleasure from the suffering of others and deeply hates it.
>A mildly psychotic Wraith Pardoner from Canada who answers to Charon as a cleaner for any leaking shit in the Skinlands.
>An Amenti Sefekhi who is currently sharing a body with a depressed Australian divorcee
>A Remade who ISN’T a woe is me sadsack and actually found something resembling peace in himself
>A 15 year old Correspondence Mage who is just adorable because he’s not even hubristic, he just wants to write down all the crazy shit in this world. Kind of a POV character
>An Unchained Destroyer who’s currently having a crisis of faith due to believing in the Christian God and not knowing if his soul is damned.
>A Promethean Galatean who’s built like a freight train and wants to know why his creator abandoned him.
>A Begotten in the body of a cat. Everyone hates him. He also got fraudchecked by Caine himself in his backstory

>>98680994
so the cell is being scouted by an organization tied to the church. They were informed that the town they're in is dealing with a killer, the deaths being covered up. In town, they discovered most of the victims are not!Deep ones, and they found the killer...and oneshot it thanks to a series of lucky crits. In the aftermath, they found a phone giving them a list of targets(the victims) and a warning to be more fucking careful about killing humans. Part 2 is intended to be chasing after the 'baron', unmasking and putting an end to them. The toreador is meant to be the villain of the two arcs, and killing them gets them a place in the compact they're being scouted for.

>>98680994
oh, and the toreador's plan is to have a beautiful haven in rural ontario, free of the unsightly fish people in the town they're now in. Part 1, they were using a Slasher to kill them off until they went to ground, but that failed, so now they're trying to use an influencer to lure kine to the area, with the hope that so many people makes the not!Deep Ones want to just leave.

>>98680996
They ride in a heavily used class A Winnebago that they got scammed out of after escaping from a blacksite they all got holed up in, and then go on a road trip to do something, seeing sights and also some of the nuttiest shit possible.
I use WOD, COFD, and multiple fan splats, such as Zombies, Geniuses, Nobles, Leviathans, Dragons, and so on.
A list of some of the utter nonsense they encounter
>The Amenti has not one but two immortal beings from his past. His now-vampire lover from the 1800s and his now-zombified butler from the 1500s, both of which hate his guts for different reasons and conspire to fuck his life up
>An entire corporation run by Geniuses who somehow make more money than Pentex despite doing nothing but sell useless and expensive novelty items
>A fight club run by supernaturals, the owner specifically being a Fallen type Demon.
>A literal cult of Skin Dancers who intend on claiming the girl for their next project, for they believe skinning families make the resultant war form more potent.
>A Korean Bound who’s basically a Manhwa protagonist complete with copying powers
>A Malkavian girl who is mentally stuck in the mid 2000s
>A serial Diablerist Gangrel who wants to work his way up to 1st gen and eat Caine’s ass specifically, and our Lasombra is looking appetizing
Among other things

>>98681001
>>98681004
Ahh. Ok so not the main villain. When you said BBEG I thought it was the main villain of the entire chronicle. I think you will be fine. Even if they suspect the influencer of being the ghoul, you did lay it on thick if I had to be honest. they still need to figure out what the Toreador's plan is and what role the influencer plays in it.

>>98680960
Playoids be like that. Better to have the kind that bite on any potential hook rather than the types that are constantly disinterested.

Besides, paranoia is fairly fitting for blooded Hunters.

>>98680309
Yep, that one!
>>98680411
I am saving ideas I like into a word doc.

>>98680641
At that point why even say you're playing the same game?

>reading the Orpheus books
>the central conceit is this small tech startup, Orpheus, which has incontrovertible proof of the existence of ghosts, and is trying to monetize that info
>they have actual ghost employees, plus living people who can astrally project
>Orpheus Group is basically a bunch of mortals flying blind into the supernatural (where do these fucking Spectres come from?)
>one of the plot elements in the core book is other companies rushing to copy their success and being even less prepared for it
>the very first metaplot book opens on Orpheus Group being completely destroyed in a bombing. Lots of employees dead, including the entire c-suite
What the fuck

>>98681627
The most horrifying part is that people invented a drug that, unknowingly, causes anyone who consumes it to have 100% chance of becoming a Wraith when they eventually die.

>>98680996
>>98681031
Sounds fucking amazing.

>>98681627
Yeah, the secret founders of Orpheus stole the research and left to make less burdened startups, just like every tech company. It's actually exactly in their interests to have less responsible scientists handling this.

>>98681817
I'm just shocked that Crusade of Ashes opens on the thing the splat is named after violently ceasing to exist

Me and my buddies made rather interesting bunch of characters in Changeling: The Lost.

In a single sentence, I would be "Urban legend horror monster", another friend is a "ACME McGyver jester" and the third one is a "What if I was a book?"

I think we'll be fine.

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I am planning on running a new world of darkness game in Lifting the Veil from the Dark Ages Companion where everyone is a lesser template. I'm happy with my plot, but I'm now trying to crack open what I'll offer the players for characters.

Can anyone help me find what mortal templates can use 'greater' powers - obviously ghouls can learn some disciplines, for example, but can anyone learn Mummy stuff? Sleepwalkers aren't going to learn magic, but there's the ceremonial and psychic merits from the corebooks. That sort of thing. The players will never get a greater template, but I'd like to just refluff all the lesser template rules as spiritualism and weirdness so if anyone can point me at the more 'magical' versions I'd love to see them. Thanks.

>>98682211
I think Hedge Magic is in Hunters Hunted II for V20, that's magic learned and used by mortals, and IIRC mummies in the current year are technically learning and using an Egyptian flavor of it, not something that is part of any intrinsic magical power included with the package of being a mummy

>>98682211
The sorcerer book specifically says that Mummy Hekau could be repurposed into a sorcerer path, with maybe one level offset.

Which is funny because most equivalent level sorcerer paths are actually stronger than hekau.

>>98680641
>banning black furies from being transphobic
It makes a kind of sense meta-wise for the BF to become more intersectional as time goes on in reflection of mortal feminism changes (which really should include them taking in other Fera, bevause intersectionality; nice replacement for the lack of Metis if W5 keeps them gone) but second wave Andrea Dworkin style feminist BFs should logically still *exist*. Even if they're old, or a minority take, or cast as antagonistic and prone to haugslock.

>>98682211
>>98682340
You also have Mentalists and Psychic powers in M20 Sorcerer

>>98682458
>in reflection of mortal feminism changes
Then shouldn't the black furies be splitting into hyper-radicalized camps that hate each other to the point the tribe is on the verge of civil war? The internal war between the transfems and the TERFs is a massive topic in feminism right now.
There's also the issues of sterilization, and now outright child murder as revealed by a recent court case, is being supported by the transfem side. This is outright breaking two of the litany laws at this point.

>>98682460
>Mentalists and Psychic powers in M20 Sorcerer
Anon, psychic powers were already in Sorcerer Revised. Stop using M20, it's complete garbage.

>>98682547
At this point you may as well just chuck the troons at the BSD wholesale.
Purge them from the Garou Nation and let Pentex deal with the lot of them.

>>98682547
>tfw you're trying to keep your tribe alive but the newly anointed Ragabash Cliath is trying to argue that "Do Not Suffer Thy People to Tend Thy Sickness" should apply to pregnancy and is arguing that Furies who can't fight whilst pregnant should be expected to abort the pregnancies to better prepare for the coming (immediate) Apocalypse.

>try to join Black Furies
>when rejected, say you IDENTIFY as a woman therefore you're allowed to join
>fuck Black Furies
>if anyone objects say you're a trans female lesbian and call them a Wyrm supporter until they desist
>score easy woof pussy because everyone is too afraid of being labeled a Wyrm supporter to protest
>???
>PROFIT!

>>98680641
What is this? Some sort of discord nonsense?

>>98679111
>What are some of the most dangerous locations in WoD/CofD?
The deep ocean. Inherently hostile to human life. If you run into anything there it's probably going to try to kill you and the deepest places fade into to deep parts of the umbra. Often times -things- can just enter reality.

>>98682572
>???
I can tell you what this one is:
>Tribe falls to the Wyrm
>Nobody knows why since Obviously they killed all the Wyrm Supporters
>You become the Champion of the Wyrm for your Aid.

>>98682409
>The sorcerer book
Mummy 1e and 2e say the same thing. Mummy Hekau just Are sorcerer paths, they aren't some unique Mummy power. Mummies are just normal ass humans given immortality. The upgraded Mummies in revised now with True Faith, that's the only difference.

>>98682600
So the +1 dot option given in revised is just dumb shit? Good to know.

>>98682600
very interesting, I am not one of the five persons on planet earth who has actually read the mummy books. The Sorcerer books somewhat treat it as it's own thing. Different system implied to be more powerful.
Personally, I'd love unified sorcery between all splats..
Sadly, Paradox has no idea on what changes could actually improve the setting and would rather do completely random shit.
>>98682624
it's certainly bullshit in the context of mechanical balance, most of the time.

If Mortals can just learn Hekau directly, does that mean Sorcerers can learn Greater Hekau since they're not capped by a Balance rating?

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>>98682635
In theory yes.

>>98682585
Zoom zoom.

Hunter The Parenting greentext
>be Hunter-Of-Hunters, coming back from another grueling day at the Arcanum
>today the sea cucumber tried to smack Remold in the back of his head before Harry stopped her
>at least someone shares your loathing of him, human or not
>your thoughts are interrupted when you're walking back to the caern by something small, snarly and angry jumping down on you from a tree
>it's stupidly fast for something so small
>you finally grab the damn thing and partially shift to maul it, but stop
>it's a little boy
>a little boy whose reaction to your fangs and claws is to growl back
>you haven't gotten the hang of human aging, but the boy doesn't look old enough to be by himself
>he looks more feral than you do. Shit, he looks more feral than Remold whenever Occam puts his foot down
>the Griffon tells you to kill it before it grows, that a human that behaves like that will become a hunter, but a deeper instinct tells you to bring him back to the caern
>first, though, you make clear that he's not going to keep biting your arm
"SHUT THE FUCK UP!"
>the kid stops and whines meekly
>nodding, you pick him up and carry him to the cave over your shoulder
>to say Stig and Jambles are surprised would be the understatement of the century
"Hunts, what the FUCK is that?"
>you look down at the kid in your arm and sigh
"It's a long story."

>>98682635
if you go by sorcerer revised then sorcerers are limited to hekau 5 as sorcerers learn Hekau converted to a custom path so going by 1 to 6 but without a 1 dot power as hekau is learned at one rank up so rank 1 becomes 2 and so forth ending with the 6th dot of your path being a 5th dot power

it also says that ST should not give all mummies powers to sorcerers

>>98682567
>Stop using M20, it's complete garbage.
The M20 Sorcerer book actually buffed Psychics. Thst's why people joke about the author having a psychic OCdonut thst got their shit rocked byba sorcerer.

Among the things it does:
>Changes all dicepools for psychic powers to Willpower, making powers cheap and easy to use overall
>Changes most powers so that their revised 5th dot in now a 4th dot and added an evem stronger 5th dot in it's place
>Has a System for turning sorcery path into new psychic powers
>Adds a merits that allows you to create psychic rituals.
With all the nerfs to sorcery in M20, psychic powers are literally better in every way now. The book is biased as Fuck. My go-to is Revised Sorcery Paths with M20 psychic Powers.

>>98682684
>The book is biased as Fuck. My go-to is Revised Sorcery Paths with M20 psychic Powers.
one of the writers for m20 Travis i think it was is super mega biased towards psychics in general

he also did the psychic Powers and nothing else for the crusader kings mod. But his code is so boring and nobody wants to update psychic Powers because sorcerer is already there that they now exiled psychics to the samuel height (power gamer all splat restrictions are removed etc) mode

>>98682680
The Mummy books Themselves disagree with this and outright have references to Sorcerer Revised while telling you how to give all mummy powers to a sorcerer.

The MTR Companion even details how a Sorcerer can turn their Mana background into a full Balance score if they want, turning it from a 1-5 to 1-10 with extra True Faith adjacent powers on top. Mummies only unique "Powers" are the fact they're immortal, everything else is normal human potential.

>>98682673
Return of kinfolk?

>>98682703
>The Mummy books Themselves disagree
It's funny watching the author vs author fights in the books. The authors of the changeling and mummy books were clearly into allowing off-the-wall campy games and kept butting heads with the banal anti-fun writers of revised era mage.

>>98682703
>The Mummy books Themselves disagree with this
that why i said going by sorcerer revised
>and outright have references to Sorcerer Revised while telling you how to give all mummy powers to a sorcerer.
this means nothing to be honest. A lot of books refer to sorcerer revised while at the same time completely and utterly contradicting what that book actually says so you just need to choose a primary source when it comes to sorcerer questions do you go with the gameline books or with the sorcerer book and then just go with that

i personally usually go with sorcerer revised as primary source for sorcerer questions and for the gamelines as primary when it comes to the supernatural in question, but i also didn't do that for different chronicles before

>>98682701
Having played the ck3 mod I don't see what the point of Samuel Haight mode is, sorcery alone is enough to hit so much prowess you can just assassinate every single character in the game. I infiltrated Mithras house and he went to 1v1 me to stop me from stealing his gold and he died.

>>98682673
This premise is anti-lgbt.

>>98682732
Lesbians can't be moms?

>>98682703
I think mummies as mages that put down their avatar and quest for enlightenment in order to fight evil eternally goes so fucking hard. They deserve their reputation as the gigachad splat.

>>98682744
Surprisingly many are. They procreate much like british people do
>keep your chin up
>keep a stiff upper lip
>rock your hips back and forth while thinking of the queen

>>98682730
Yeah, they really need to rebalance the NPCs. The higher tier creatures need to be waaaay stronger and act much less directly.
CK already has a similar system to this with how it splits royalty and lower nobility. Just make a parallel system with Antedeluvian"Kings" ordering around Methusela"Dukes", who then delegat to Elder"Earls, who then send out Ancillae"Viscounts" leading Neonate"Barons".

>>98682730
>Having played the ck3 mod I don't see what the point of Samuel Haight mode is, sorcery alone is enough to hit so much prowess you can just assassinate every single character in the game.
so you can be a vampire/ half demon(baali objective)/ half kuei jin (watcher salubri objective)/half another demon (fomori)/ half fae(fae blooded embraced in sam mode keep arts and cantrips)/ sorcerer (usually full splats that aren't cabiri or bastet can't learn it in that mod) and later also mage after those are added using the sargon codex... at once! and then go fight the protagonist from the bleach manga

people been seriously pesting the developers and even breaking the mod to find loopholes to multi splat and the modus is mostly to keep these people from a.) sending those things in as bug reports and b.) stop crying everytime a exploid that wouldn't work in canon anyway is fixed

>sorcery alone is enough to hit so much prowess you can just assassinate every single character in the game.
that's because Mithras is also a playable character that a player is meant to be able to play and grow the endgame events have prowess stuff between 250 and 300 although usually you are not meant to fight them alone

>>98682764
>Surprisingly many are.
That's not the weirdest part. There's an entire industry where lesbians pay men to creampie them because it's a part of the "Natural is Better" movement that lead to things like organic produce.
The other wife may or may not either listen outside the door, stick around to watch, or even "Help", too make sure her wife is safe of course. No other motives. None. Promise.

>>98682703
>>98682680
>>98682635
The first thing that comes to mind is that Mummies can have something Sorcerers typically don't have: multiple lifetimes to develop and diversify their magic. It's the reason Tremere became vampires.

>>98682770
>so you can be a vampire/ half demon(baali objective)/ half kuei jin (watcher salubri objective)/half another demon (fomori)/ half fae(fae blooded embraced in sam mode keep arts and cantrips)/ sorcerer (usually full splats that aren't cabiri or bastet can't learn it in that mod) and later also mage after those are added using the sargon codex... at once!
...What the Fuck?
As a guy that likes multi-splat stacking for fun, that is a fucking tavesty of a combo? How the hell is a Kuei Jin possessed? Why would a Nephelim/Laham have access to lores? Why isn't the Kinain turning into a Kaisyd instead?

There are legitimate exploits for stacking, and this horror makes a Mockery of my work!

More seriously, I wish there were more options than "No" and "Ignore the lore completely". This isn't chronicles, splats can stack, but there are Rules to this.

>>98682842
>As a guy that likes multi-splat stacking for fun, that is a fucking tavesty of a combo?
>This isn't chronicles, splats can stack, but there are Rules to this.
the sam mode turns off most splat stacking restriction for the most part because again people been pestering the mod authors. in normal play most of these are limited to certain clans/bloodlines objectives meaning you can only do one of them at best

> How the hell is a Kuei Jin possessed?
the watcher salubri objective is about stealin po and whatever it's called from actual kuei jin it's i been told mentioned in one of the kote books but never got stats so you are still a cainite but you need to follow a dhamar and gain kuei jin powers

>Why would a Nephelim/Laham have access to lores?
the baali objective is about killing and usurping a demon like mary the black did in canon and Laham in the mod don't have lores. Nephilim do but you need as a demon to do a objective to unlock these guys by learning how they made them during the rebellion

>Why isn't the Kinain turning into a Kaisyd instead?
they are if you are using the normal mode

>>98682823
Anon, modern Amenti don't have that. Many of them Get zero memories from their Temahk and have to learn Hekau from scratch. They still learn at the same rate other Amenti do.
The thing with Hekau is that the Shemsu Heru already did all the heavy lifting discovering the Hekau with their multiple lifetimes. The discovery has already be written down and codified. Anyone can learn it now.

>>98682872
>about stealin po
In asian kung-fu metaphydics, this wouldn't do shit. The fucking Shih demon hunters can awsken their Po, it doesn't do anything useful and just acts as Anti-humanity that measures their level of damnation. Being as cheritable as possible, the vamps should either have the same massive restriction on thr powers they can learn like eastern dhampyr do or just be full demon-risen as wan kuei. You can't have Rites, Chi Arts, and Soul Arts without being possessed by your own soul, it's fundamental to how those powers function.
>Nephilim do
They shouldn't. We have stats for Nephilim from Mage. They have a Mana/Faith Potential rating of 7 and 7 points worth of pact powers free. That's it.
They make great mages/sorcerers because that 7 mana/quintessence refreshes daily, but they aren't getting any fancy lores.

>>98682211
What's with all the people talking about Hekau when the post says New World of Darkness, and mentions Sleepwalkers, which is an Awakening thing.
A bunch of splats have some kind of lesser template version, not sure which ones are properly playable though. There's wolf-blooded for werewolves, stigmatics and demon-blooded for demons, alchemists for prometheans, necromancers for Geist, I think most of these can learn a few major powers.

>>98682925
>when the post says New World of Darkness
No the fuck it doesn't
>Sleepwalkers, which is an Awakening thing
Anon, that's the Ascension term for Sorcerer. "Hedge Mage" is the slur.

>>98682922
>They shouldn't. We have stats for Nephilim from Mage. They have a Mana/Faith Potential rating of 7 and 7 points worth of pact powers free. That's it.
different Nephilim from a different "Demon"

Nephilim in mage are the kids of umbrood demons not Elohim. Mage completely ignores the existence of DtF even in it's revised crossover section in the ST book that featured the Imbued because goat boy (i am not confusing editions he wrote that too) doesn't wants sympathetic demons i guess

>>98682925
probably because nobody read mummy the curse and so they don't even know that the nwod version of sorcerer is the minor splat of that book

>>98682925
>What's with all the people talking about Hekau when the post says New World of Darkness
because anon typoed dark ages companion which is the name of two owod book instead of Dark Eras Companion which is a nwod book which has the Lifting the Veil era (1885) in it
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Eras_Companion
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Eras:_Lifting_the_Veil
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Ages_Companion
as for the actual question i also can't answer it because i never played mummy and haven't put all of it's stuff to memory

>>98682944
>because goat boy
Jesus what a clusterfuck white wolf was at the end, it really was a battle royale of the different authors

>>98682460
Keep using the M20 Sorcerer, fags are being fags

>>98683018
while goat boy probably did exclude DtF on purpose several authors on somethingawful back in the day talked about how it was less a battle royal and more like white wolf putting them into cubicles and then told them not to talk to each other

teams where working at the same time sometimes in the same gameline even and there was zero communication between them so some white wolf writers gotten infos from the books at the same time as the players did sometimes and white wolf would never did give them any extra time to fix stuff

in early white wolf this kinda worked because mark and co been above the teams so they guy who made the setting for the most part knew what was going on, but after he left white wolf the company was above the writers teams

>>98679551
>LANCER wta
interesting concept. kind of a waste of one of the better owod lines

>>98680309
cleary there's some space magic being used in THIS place if ya know what i'm sayin

>>98680309
>Yes, my speciality is Life sphere science, how could you tell?

>>98682211
>can anyone learn Mummy stuff?
mummy the curse has sorcerers and also reflavors the immortals from the og immortals book into a minor splats some of which can use some mummy powers
> obviously ghouls can learn some disciplines
sons of phobos can learn all vampire disciplines by eating a vampire's heart but not blood magic (they have their own) or i think combo powers. they can also sacrifices humans in a ritual to stay ghouled for a month
promethan has alchimists but these need a source of pyros for most of their stuff
and i am pretty sure geist also had necromancers but it's been too long since i read it

>>98683055
Why did they tell them not to talk to each other? Like shouldn't this be a requirement when writing for a shared universe or even on the same book?

Would the Arcanum really let someone be drained or mauled to record it?

>>98683200
really just because they just been working at the same time

it's insane if you compare it to the modern output ttrpg companies have but back then white wolf (and wotc, It was kinda the style at the time) been printing several new books each month like all revised books been written in what 4? years and it was by far the longest edition back then and at the same time they also did the dark age books and the ravenloft and warcraft dnd books

output like this just has some sacrifices

>>98680309
sub5 in any Progenitor lab btw

>>98683206
they most likely wouldn't get a innocent into a position to be mauled just to record it but if they came across someone being mauled by a supernatural they would very likely stand by and record it

>>98683239
Why not record how they kick its ass?

>>98683244
they got their ass kicked hard when they first tried to hunt vampires and then put up a non interference policy

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>>98683244
>how they kick its ass
>Arcanum
Lol, lmao even

>>98683244
in the arcanum book it says that what is implied to be a single gangrel's blood cult burned down their biggest american chapter house and nearled kicked them out of the country

the arcanum are the least asskicking organisation in wod

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>>98683244
Because they would be the ones getting kicked in the ass.

>>98683232
Things were different in the 90s yeah, a while ago I was wondering how onyx path was taking so long releasing exalted 3e for example when exalted 2e was a completed game in like 6 years compared to 11 fucking years to get all the splats for 3e

Can true faith be used to kill? I don't mean stuff like turning vampires, but something like flamestrike or striking.

>>98683395
You can attack with an object or symbol you consider holy, like a crucifix or a wad of dollar bills

>>98683395
haven't you asked this before? yeah if you are a inquisitor and got the extra training that may or may not work in modern nights anymore then you can smite people, gives yourself superhuman stats by praying and call upon angels to summon pillars of light and all that

if you are not then what's on the dots is what you get

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Moth central, mainly copied from last thread (and some from my documents)

Forms:

>Flutter/Flitterling
Crawlerling equivalent
Str: 0, Dex: 6, Sta: 0, Man: 0, App: 0
The only form the weremoths can cross the Gauntlet in

>Lepidoptera
Hispo equivalent, literally just a giant moth.
Str: -1, Dex: +2, Sta: +2, Man: -1, App: -1/0, Per: +3
Can fly, -2 to athletics/dodge difficulties while flying

>Magnaelae/Torquentis
Crinos equivalent. Magnaelae (from latin, Great Wings) / Torquentis (from latin and cultist simulator, Skintwister.
A massive monster moth, a 2-3 meters tall mothman, a horrifying human-insect-moth hybrid. (Kinda like with Ananasi, they have “subforms” of their warform)
Str: +1, Dex: +2, Sta: +1, Man: -1, App: 0, Per: +3
Can fly, -2 to athletics/dodge difficulties while flying
Causes reduced delirium -2?

>Tineana and Sedose
Both are Glabro-styled, although Tineana (Pathmoth Glabro form) is a permanent homid-glabro equivalent as I was thinking the Pathmoths don't have access to homid at all.
Cha +2, Man +1, (Dex +1?), -2 to intimidation (they are cute)

>More on the Tienana and Sedose
The Pathos weremoths lack a true homid form, instead they have access to Tineana (from latin, Moth Human). A human-sized moth-human hybrid with humanoid form but has compound eyes, chitin-like skin and insectoid jointed limbs.

The moth-like human form of a [Weremoth] is not one designed for increased strength or toughness; a moth is almost never a predator, after all.
Instead, it draws from the other great defence of nature: fawning. Through a combination of softening their features, a mix of subtle pheremones, and a partially fuzzy exterior, a [Weremoth] in Sedose gives off a completely non-threatening aura.

Actually, should the Glamoths have access to homid?

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>>98683427
As always, discuss

Lore:

Nobody really knows where – or when – the weremoths came from.

Many conflicting accounts, stories, tales, and myths tell of the weremoths. Some claim they never died, having somehow survived the Weaver’s displeasure during the dawn of time. Some say they woke up from the dead – a theory with many claiming to have played a part in, or claim to be the reason why the weremoths exist in the present day.

Those old enough to remember the early days of history, the Mokolé do not speak of, and the only one with real answers, Queen Ananasa who was there when the moths were first crushed, does not answer her children’s queries.

The most popular theories, none of which the moths themselves claim any of – as the moths do not care, they simply are – all revolve around spirits.

Was it the Wyld herself who saved and claimed the moths? Was it the Moth, or the moth-shaped Unknown who woke them? Were they even killed in the first place? Were they simply trapped in the Dreaming and and let loose with the rest of the fae? Had they been stuck in the Shadowlands for untold aeons and had only recently found a way out?

Nobody knows.

Many Garou claim they are the reason why the weremoths exist at all; the most proud of the Garou are to this day furious that the weremoths do not thank them, and do not listen to the Garou.

What everyone agrees on are the facts anyone with eyes can see. There are two distinct types of weremoth. The Glamour, and the Pathos. The Day, and the Night.

>Auspices
Glamour and Pathos, basically "Day and Night"
Glamour would be more focused on the social, the wonder and transformation
Pathos would be more focused on the mystery, the dead, stasis, and (also) transformation

These are the general ideas that seem to be most agreed on, such as the origin of the weremoths being a bit of a mystery that nobody can (in the world of darkness) agree on, and those that might know (Mokole and Ananasa) don't tell shit.

>Excuse me, this is my emotional support human
-t. True Fae probably

isn't it kinda weird that when it comes to Hekau the ability to go to every umbra dimension you want is in necromancy?

>>98682925
oWoD fans can't read.

>>98683244
>Why do poncy rich academics not throw hands with superhuman threats?

Smoothbrain.

>>98683524
My Changeling: The Lost character is a weird guy because he actually wants to go back to his Keeper and continue the play with them.

The character was used as a playmate, and the True Fae and the changeling played through many different fairy tales, both old and new.

As for why the changeling left, it wasn’t because they really wanted to. The Keeper’s Nemesis (or another True Fae) essentially caused the escape to happen in the first place.

So the changeling likes their own Keeper but absolutely fucking hates other True Fae

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>>98683565
Pussies.

>>98683407
>yeah if you are a inquisitor and got the extra training that may or may not work in modern nights
The Dark Ages Inquisition book is explicit that it's the Authority splat over all True Faith.
It basically recons thing so that the 1-5 dot TF merit is the equivalent of when werewolf books stat vampires using gifts instead of disciplines: npc shorthand. So yes, it Does work in modern nights.

The fact they did this with a dark ages book is still retarded though.

>>98683569
Oh shit, I had totally forgotten Playmates were a thing.

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got a fun V20 game i'm in, combat ghouls can ball harder than you'd think

>>98683634
I can tell you the character almost got killed by bridge burners like five times already

>>98683655
>Dominate is far more reliable
Spoken like an 8th generation nepobaby.

>>98683657
Those guys are real party poopers. Like, on an ideological level.

>>98683666
Its also funny because my character probably hates the True Fae as much as the bridge burners do
He just really wants to go back to his Keeper because their play was interrupted and hes also worried the Keeper isnt handling themselves properly
The other players find this odd dynamic of "loves his Keeper but hates the other Gentry" pretty interesting

>>98682582
>What is this? Some sort of discord nonsense?
It was a graphical MUD thats an offshoot of another that opened recently with the difference being that there isn't an interview for the whitelist

>>98683611
What does some streetwalker with a sword have to do with the Arcanum not picking pointless fights with the supernaturals?

>>98681791
The Begotten is hilarious.
He’s basically the cat from Ghost Stories.
Also he tried to fight Caine after reaching Incarnation.
Caine literally asked him
“Are you sure about this?”
And then proceeded to basically toy with him and destroy an entire village in the process. The humiliation was such that he became a cat and lost most of his power because the people who were scared of him were like “WTF this guy is a loser.”

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>>98683427
>>98683461
Moths

>>98683244
>The kill squad of geriatric professors and scrawny library assistants blows a hole in your safehouse ceiling and rappels through.
What do you do anons?

>>98683712
Now I'm morbidly curious. What's the name of it?

>>98682116
Sounds like a fun lineup. I enjoyed the little bit of CtL that I got to play, but unfortunately my ST wasn't enjoying it as much as the rest of us.

Cool uses you've found for entropy sphere not listed in the book?

>>98683836
It's downstream from The Final Nights but its not Apocrypha

>>98683836
>What do you do anons?
My specifically trained ghoul butler paralyzes them with ultimately nonsensical but outwardly intriguing folkloric trivia and its relation to the true supernatural

just checking but Lazarus the vamp has nothing to do with Saint Lazarus beside the name right?

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>>98683427
>Actually, should the Glamoths have access to homid?
I think they should be like pathosmoths and lack a true homid form. I also think they should qualify for the Human Form merit in the Ananasi breed book. Maybe reskin the Vampire-phile flaw to changelings and wraiths respectively too?

>>98683836
>What do you do anons?
they'll probably hurt themselves trying to blow open the door so i ask them if they are okay and if i need to call the ambulance

>>98683874
my awoo friend gets angry that my healing is too perfect so I have to add a tiny bit of entropy so that the wound becomes a battle scar

>>98683943
>I also think they should qualify for the Human Form merit in the Ananasi breed book. Maybe reskin the Vampire-phile flaw to changelings and wraiths respectively too?
Good idea on the merit I like >>98683943
While the Glamoths having a "changeling-phile" flaw is a ood idea I dont see Pathmoths having a "wraith-phile" version as at most they would interact with wraiths (to help them or banish them depending on the Pathmoths faction)

>>98683836
i ask them Do You Catan?

>>98683874
Entropy is control over natural(!) decay and probability.
So, anything that involves either of those.
>but what?
Anything from cheating at slot machines, to manipulating nuclear decay.
>ricochet manipulation and "lucky" shots, jamming guns
>making electronics crap out and corrupting electronic memory
>applied quantum phenomena, like superposition for codebreakers
>quantum tunneling when combined with Correspondence
>control over dynamic systems with high degree of chaos, i.e. a crowd of people
tl;dr you are an RNG/dice (demi)god, figure it out.

>>98683966
Rereading the description, I see what you mean. How about tweaking the Emotional Attachment flaw to pertain to focusing on wraiths, dropping the point value to 2, and removing the +1 difficulty to social rolls for pathosmoths?

>>98684008
That would be better I agree

That Rick and Morty spin-off no one seems to give a shit about has a surprisingly interesting take on leprechaun lore and now I wonder if it would work in a CtD homebrew.

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>>98683992
Bribing Fate
>Hmm, it seems I am surrounded, blindfolded and tied up to train tracks.
>Unfortunately for you. I already bribed Fate three sessions ago.

>>98682792
The reality of this is likely that IVF is incredibly expensive and time consuming but getting preggers the old fashioned way is completely free and relatively quick comparatively. Depending on where you live you might even get things from it.

>>98684040
Its not bad from the few episodes I have seen.

Running a Hunter: the Vigil game, and a player is hellbent on finding a super that can heal his paraplegic daughter.
What supers can do this, and which will offer the best Devil's Bargain for them to take? I am fairly sure that outside the lives of himself and his wife, everything is on the table, including the cell.

>>98684062
If they're retarded like me, they might also expect any man pursuing fertility medicine to have ulterior motives of substituting his own batter and being a secret deadbeat dad 100 times. Like the fertility doctors who did that.

>>98684133
>Vampires
Invictus who know top-tier surgeons and Ordo Dracul scientists come to mind, others can fit the bill too.
>Werewolves
If she doesn't get her First Change, then I'm sure a local woof knows a spirit with healing powers or has them himself.
>Mages
I think enough dots in the Life Arcana lets you heal paraplegics, but if the daughter is a sleeper she runs the risk of the spell going away or being corrupted
>Changelings
There's multiple Contracts of Spring for healing, up to and including restoring maimed or missing limbs, so curing paraplegia isn't much of a stretch. There's also Chirurgeons, or knowing a hobgoblin doctor or the like.
>Demons
By sealing a Pact with an Unchained her paraplegia can be taken away as an aspect of a Cover, or she can be restored to full health in exchange for something of roughly equal value.
>Sin-Eaters
Not sure, to be honest. Maybe hiring a centuries-old ghost surgeon to fix her spine? Give her a spine transplant from a dead kid's corpse?
>Mummies
They can do almost anything, healing a paraplegic is pretty easy.
>Deviants
Long shot but some of them have healing powers.
>Beasts
Keep the daughter away.

>>98684193
Wolves are absent from the area for reasons, and I am NOT introducing Demons because that will open a can of worms I do not care to interact with.
I can use the vampire as an in-road, the cell had an 'interaction' with one.
The issue is that I want this to explicitly come with a hard price, and I am not as familiar with the gamut of supers and their habits as I would like.
I am thinking vampire knows a Chirugeon, and will make an introduction in exchange for names of the Union members that murdered his coterie.

>>98684241
>I am thinking vampire knows a Chirugeon
A vampire in cahoots with a changeling? Now that's a great story waiting to be told. As for the price incurred, there's an easy one that comes to mind: The doctor in question has come up with a revolutionary esoteric medical procedure but they're short on test sub- oh lookit that, a volunteer.

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>>98680722
Here you go! A bit more modest version. Let me know what you think.

>A Sept Elder just called you a jabroni in front of all your packmates
Are you just going to let him get away with that?

>>98684455
Wow! Amazing, really. I love the little details like the clasps and pouch on the apron.
Not that I’m asking you to color anything, but did you have any colors in mind while drawing it? I can already envision some on my own: the top a wine red with that upper edge an ochre yellow; a black flared mini-skirt that lands halfway on her thighs since she’s short, and the apron itself a rich mahogany color. The neckerchief would be a nice, bright red to pull the eyes down from her face to her exposed shoulder line and cleavage. Lastly, those earrings have to be an orange carnelian gemstone; they were commonly used in ancient Egyptian culture, as she would obviously know.
Thank you once again, I’m excited to see how things will go when she finally shows up in the chronicle.

>>98684040
rick and morty spinoff?

>>98682941
Not him, but
>I am planning on running a new world of darkness game is the first sentence.

>>98684040
Still mad that Inside Job got the axe, this new thing is very similar premise just riding coattails of already established brand/universe.
Yes, I'm aware that was Neflix and this is HBO.

>>98684727
Don't fuck with us WoDfags, we can't read.

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>>98684764
What convention would Reagan be?

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>>98684780
That's alright, apparently I can't use my enter key anyway.
>>98682460
I hadn't realised Sorcerer had released for m20, which is funny, especially without BRUCATTOBRUCATTOBRUCATTO involved. I'll have a look even though it's for a separate system, thanks. Maybe it'll be better than my fallback idea of "adapt alpha omega's wielding".
>>98682925
I'd forgotten about necromancers and alchemists (though alchemists for good reason, apparently. Yeesh.)
>>98683172
I'd forgotten they slapped My Precious, Purified, into Mummy. I wonder what ever happened to that guy who kept making interesting homebrews. The extended "You're secretly a spirit, not a human" purified, the sorcerer-engineer purified, the discount wu-tang clan mummies from owod with more naming, etc.

Thanks to those that answered, even the owod posters.

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>>98679111
And what if the Garou looked like that?

>>98684524
Have you tried beating him with a newspaper like the dog he is?

>>98684922
that's a werebear with weird ears

Would a tzimisce haven survive a visit from the swat team?

>>98681627
>be technochud
>see some upstart reality deviant company trying to reintroduce ghosts into the consensus
>before you can do anything they get bombed by a cult group controlled by an eldritch entity and then raided by the government

>>98685290
depends entirely on the tzimisce haven those can be normal appartment to walking bone towers in the middle of nowhere protected by elementals and spirits that the swat wouldn't even be able to see to name both extremes

>>98685290
Swat team would end up as furniture.

>>98682764
>Doesn't know about artificial insemination

>>98683655
Requiem Nosferatu: Let's see how he feels after a night in my Oubliette while I have some fun with Nightmare.

>>98684188
Sounds like a 2000s Romantic Comedy that'd have the chorus of The Passenger by Iggy Pop as the trailer music.
>LA LA LALA LALALA-LA!

>>98685290
to actually give a answer despite the question being too vague because i feel like it. Most tzimisce are housed in communal havens either because they are younger sabbat and live with their pack or are old and have a estate

the first one is actually pretty easy to deal with it from a hunter perspective if you can find it because sabbat vampires on paths can't wake up during the day at all, sabbat tend to dislike using ghouls as day guards and after the death of house goratrix blood magic has become somewhat rare in the sword of caine which means unless the pack sleeps in a older temple you probably also don't have to worry about wards

but the later is a complete nightmare in every sense of the word that does (hopefully) not invole fae between traps, warghouls some of which would need more powerful gear than a swat team usually brings to put down before it get's into meele range and possibly koldunic defenses that like the other anon said could include spirits that mundane weapons can't deal with well you can be lucky if the entire building isn't also actually alive and starts attacking you

First time ST running V20 soon and I want to make sure I'm not being too harsh on one of my players. He is fixated on making a character that is Kirei Kotomine from Fate; a very sadistic priest for the sake of brevity. Initially, he wanted to do a Lasombra and start with Celerity through freebie points and got annoyed when I told him he still has to justify how he learned an out of clan discipline. Then he was leaning heavy into generation(maxed) and resources(very high), and wanted a church as as his domain. Naturally my questions were "Who's running the church that you're sleeping in during the day?" and "You're a low generation vampire with lots of resources, but statuswise you're a fledgling?" because he put nothing into status and retainers or the like. He was also interested in committing diablerie and was trying to find ways around being detected via Thuaumaturgy.

Now he's pivoted to being an Assamite instead. I assumed they were all (pseudo)Muslim, but apparently some follow other Abrahamic faiths. The next thing I brought up is that he can't diablerize as he wanted to before(I was fine with this), but he mentioned there was a ritual to bypass that. And looking at that ritual, the only way I see it going down is him proving his clan loyalty by offing the prince or something and being allowed to go down a generation. Third of course, he wants to play an Assamite that's multiple hundreds of years old so his skin color is going to darken severely. He tried to brush it off and I showed him, literally one page before the ritual he wanted to use, that he will not be able to remotely pass as Caucasian or East Asian or whatever. His plan now is to learn Vicissitude to change his skin color; he sent me a pessimistic text saying I probably won't allow it at the start though(I won't unless he wants a Tzimisce pissed over his lack of appreciation for teaching him).

Am I in the wrong for wanting the PCs to fit into the world?

I was gonna ask if different vamp groups countermagic all did double vs Tremere because fuck Tremere but no, it turns out that the Tremere are the only ones packing countermagic (besides Anarchs who probably copied their stuff).

No wonder the Assamites got their shit pushed in.

>>98685384
Did you establish any sort of guidelines or restrictions beforehand on what sort of characters theyre playing?

>>98685290
Depends, how well does the average szlachta deal with a burst of auot-fire?

>>98685434
if you go by the inconnu book then the tremere are also the only ones (beside the baali) who figured out how to do group ritual casting which is why the inconnu had to summon a demon because it didn't matter that every one of them was better as blood magic than the mooks the tremere send to their castle if the tremere could pull their ressources and they couldn't (they also couldn't copy the tremere because of their different styles)

by modern nights the setites, sabbat and i bet the assamites also have some group castings but it's all based on tremere shit

>>98685434
>>98685456
I have chronic Tremere fatigue.

>>98685434
During the dark age tremere countermagic was halved against non hermetic magic

by modern nights they traded it for now only working on blood magic

no idea how they won the second war against the hermetics without any counter magic but hey splats and countermagic something mage in general has been trying and failing to adress in several editions with more and more weird rules

>>98685467
Unfortunately, the Tremere dicking down basically every magical group so they can keep on living past their messy birth period is baked into the backstory.

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what happens if i go in there?

>>98685501
It's even more retarded and annoying because every other Clan and sorcerous vampire group had literal millenia of experience to develop their magics yet they get mogged every single time by some bootleg vampire neonates.

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>>98685518

>>98685518
Is that the white room magefags spawn from?

>>98685496
>no idea how they won the second war against the hermetics without any counter magic
the hermetics blew themselves up from paradox like usual

>>98685496
That just sounds like one writer likes giving it caveats and then other writers ignore these so the vamps aren't completely fucked in magic duel scenes with anyone outside of that niche.

>>98685384
You need to set the game's tone and scope ahead of time, so that you don't have guys like this thinking they can make their special clan giga OC megabadass. If the character is going to immediately derail the chronicle, you're well within your rights to veto it.

Thing is, a lot of weird clan and character ideas can actually be made to work within the frame of a "typical" VtM chronicle setup. You just need a good player that's willing to play ball. You seem to have a player that does not seem to care about your enjoyment, or the enjoyment of the other players. Bluntly, he seems to me like a bundle of red flags. You should probably sit him down and have this uncomfortable discussion before it actually gets to session 1.

>>98685521
yeah but other blood magic group are sadly just fucking stupid

setites purged their sorcerers over religous difficulties and then just threw their arms up and left the market to the tremere

assamites purged their own sorcerers till the time of alexander the great when they started to steal local blood magics (especially from mithras' cult who lost their patron after he went to britian) after having their ass beaten for the first time and declared that those always been assamite magic they then still ignored their sorcerers till the tremere curse

kolduns are actually hard coded to not work together because kupala is a dick

rune wise might as well not exist because there is not a single npc with that merit

and the less is said about abyss mystics the better

and all those been originally written like this and they didn't need to because a lot of those have only been in the setting since 3E and white wolf never really cared to explain where they been before that. It also makes the tremere less "awesome for beating everyone forevaaa" and more "everyone else is just a even worse crayon eater somehow than the guys who been too stupid for real magic"

>>98685532
it is now

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>>98685571
Excellent... Deploy the langolier dog things!

>>98685443
No, I suppose that's my own fault. My intention was to have a campaign in which the party could choose between supporting the incumbent Camarilla in the city, the newly arrived Anarchs, or the invading Sabbat. So I didn't want to be too restrictive on my players. From my point of view, the restrictions I'm operating under are based on the information in the book and things that make sense. I'd thought about banning merits and flaws to reduce powergaming but saw the consensus was to allow them so I think I decided to be more laissez-faire in general as a result.

>>98685546
I was all for him wanting to play a vampiric priest operating out of a church though I dislike characters based too heavily on fictional characters. His justification just felt flat to me and it was clear he wasn't thinking about things as a whole. I'll admit I gave him an unenthusiastic go-ahead on basing his character on something from an anime so this is not so much me trying to get pity for my situation and more about making sure I'm not being unreasonable.

It's gonna be a bit before things get running, so I should probably lay down some broad restrictions like capping backgrounds to three or something and possibly just gut the Sabbat stuff for the time being since the other players are all Camarilla clans. I like the guy but he pushes for stuff like this a lot which honestly annoys me more than one of our players tending to make boring characters and another making meme/joke characters. I'm perfectly content letting him walk if it comes to it since he's tried to make characters to spite me before when I imposed restrictions and I've got three other players that are at least moderately excited.

>>98685563
>assamites purged their own sorcerers till the time of alexander the great when they started to steal local blood magics (especially from mithras' cult who lost their patron after he went to britian) after having their ass beaten for the first time and declared that those always been assamite magic they then still ignored their sorcerers till the tremere curse
They were also IIRC close to getting purged by the Web of Knives back before they got that curse from the Tremere which is why they had IIRC some implied shenanigans about just happening to get a curse that stops the diablerie and then never resolving it until Ur Shulgi just bruteforced it with a couple hundred dead Assamites.
>kolduns are actually hard coded to not work together because kupala is a dick
Was it a +1 to the difficulty of all social interactions with other Koldun for every level you get or something like that?

>>98685680
>Was it a +1 to the difficulty of all social interactions with other Koldun for every level you get or something like that?
something like that in the older book and then dav20 made it that whenever you hear or see that a koldun has a path or ritual you don't have you need to roll to not beeline to get him or frenzy

Whenever the vampire hears of new kraina
and koldunic rituals, the player must make a Willpower roll
(difficulty 4). For every point in the Cainite’s primary kraina,
the difficulty to resist the lure of accumulating further power
increases by one. Failure forces the koldunic sorcerer to make
an subconscious beeline for the source of this alleged power,
even risking the dawn and making excuses for doing so. This
effect can be resisted each following night with a Willpower
roll (difficulty one higher than the previous). A botch on
the initial Willpower roll means the vampire immediately
enters frenzy. Restraining the vampire or obviously blocking
his path will require the player to make a Self-Control roll
for the vampire to resist frenzy (difficulty 7) or an Instinct
roll to direct his frenzy (difficulty 5). Success means the
vampire resists the urge.
When a koldun witnesses another sorcerer practicing one
of the kraina in which he possesses no points, the player must
make a Self-Control/Instinct roll to resist/direct the vampire’s
frenzy (difficulty 7). A point of temporary Willpower cannot
be used to automatically succeed on this attempt.

>>98685496
>>no idea how they won the second war against the hermetics
They didn't. They blew each other the fuck up. The Tremere suffered immense losses in the second Massassa war equivalent to the hermetics.
>But the Vampire material doesn't talk about suffering catastrophic losses
Neither does it really talk about the Second Massasa War. It just didn't occur in that game's timeline. The Tremere of mage aren't the Tremere of VtM, necessarily. Just like how Lupines aren't necessarily Garou.

>>98685716
>They didn't. They blew each other the fuck up. The Tremere suffered immense losses in the second Massassa war equivalent to the hermetics.
Source? Blood Treachery made it sound like they just smacked the shit out of the Hermetics who were expecting an easy target (even if according to an oracle they'd suffer enough losses to cost them in the Jyhad if they kept going).

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>>98685445
>szlachta
Average SWAT lets say has 7 dice. So that's 17 dice full auto on DC 8. That's an average of 5 successes, minus a statistical 2 successes for subtracted 1s. Base damage is 7 so that's 10 total damage or 4-5 total damage successes before soak. A szlachta has 8 total lethal soak, so that's 3-4 average successes. So full auto is doing ping damage on these things. If you assume SWAT has 8 dice with a relevant specialty (I wouldn't) you can make that 6~ total damage successes on the full auto vs 3-4 total soak successes or 2-3 damage per hit (so 3~ attacks to kill a szlachta under these uber-SWAT, or 5-7~ declared full auto attacks on what I'd consider reasonable SWAT).

Either way, my money's on the freaky Thingeys.

>>98685749
What about flashbangs and tear gas?

>>98685816
Where are the rules for those located?

>>98685749
for v20 the us agent who is the catch up statblock for us law enforment actually only has 5 dice in (dex+firearms) and that's before armor and with no weapon specialization and even the inqusitor only get's 6 + a weapon specialization

>>98685832
Ah. I usually default to 4-5 dice in something for trained but ordinary people and 6-7 for professionals. So I'd have 4 dice on a cop and 6 on SWAT, but I figured to bump it a bit to give the police a slightly better shot.

>>98685736
Well there's the exact quote you mentioned, we can assume the Oracle speaking through Rebecca isn't just bullshitting considering Tremere etc. heed the advice in the end. And it isn't "it would cost them in the Jyhad" it's "We would both be destroyed by the consequences of this."

Compare Page 67 of Blood Treachery "Neither side can defeat the other.."
Page 65 of Blood Treachery "Vampires are victims and reactionaries here.. this is a Mage story.." which is my point about splats being concerned about themselves. Whilst you may think Blood Treachery is equally Mage and Vamp, it's mostly a mage story, which is why mainline Tremere content mostly ignores it, but it stays relevant in mage stories. Though to be fair this same paragraph immediatly contradicts a lot of the book and says "This doesn't have much impact on vampire society.."

Which is interesting considering how many passages state that the two factions can not beat each other? Or it might imply the clans don't care yet and the war can escalate further? Or that vamps genuinely don't care if the tremere just die out?

Anyways, blood treachery is a fucking mess and the way I understand it is they are supposed to be stalemated equals, and "smacked the fuck out of the hermetics" isn't really doing the hermetics justice, it's more like the tremere got smacked the fuck by the hermetics and the hermetics then were surprised the vampires smacked back, or could smack back at all.

>>98685841
i personally also don't fully subscribe to these stats and feel that it's stupid that armor reduces your aim but i feel like if we are using the straight out of the book szlachta without any updates the tzimisce could have made to the template then for comparision it would be only fair to use the straight out of the book US goverment catch me all antagonist stat block

all that hekau talk reminds me i came across a hombrewed version of egyptian dark age mage pillars let me just upload it on gofile

>/d/YHdgiKVD

>a Promethean has formed a band to try and find other Prometheans through subtle messaging
>unfortunately, his lyrics are about trying to hold on to one's humanity
>and he named his band Endless Night
>he has ended up with a following of vampires

>>98684690
I'm pleased that you like it! I usually imagine Bleu in cooler colors; favoring blues and greens or shades of black or grey for more professional attire, but I didn't really have any particular colors in mind for this picture (plus I'm colorblind) so feel free to use whatever you feel is appropriate for her description. I've always described her earrings as being large pearls, to go with the slight water connection she has (her family name of de LaEauxfeeriques translated to "of The Fairy Waters" and she knows Path of Neptune's Might/Vasuki's Puissance), but I don't mind if you make whatever changes you think are nore fitting!

>>98685628
>My intention was to have a campaign in which the party could choose between supporting the incumbent Camarilla in the city, the newly arrived Anarchs, or the invading Sabbat.
If youre going that angle I would start them off as Camarilla. Its usually easier to defect from and has less baggage than the other ways around. If a player really wants to be a Lasombra or Tzimisce you could probably handwave it as a shovelhead who had the sense to surrender when the rest of the his pack got mulched.

Going back to your player's Lasombra priest idea. Its actually relatively feasible for him to start with Celerity by taking the Additional Discipline merit. Maybe he was the result of a vaulderie embrace or his sire also had a penchant for wanting to go fast and its a 'bloodline quirk'. Could be funny to replace Potence or Dominate with Celerity if he has childer.

>His justification just felt flat to me and it was clear he wasn't thinking about things as a whole.
If he isnt overly familiar with the system you could cut him a little slack but I dont know his playstyle and character creation habits. If his design philosophy is "anime character expy" then I can relate because we had one guy at our table that would do that and it annoyed me because his characters never fit in with the setting or even the table.

>I should probably lay down some broad restrictions like cappingbackgrounds
Usually for the best. At least start them off relatively even.

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>>98686283
The... wooden frame with rags hanging off it?

Where are the cute and perky Tremere babes at?

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>>98686316
Mmm, underaged Japanese schoolgirls, my favorite!

Eshu emo boy x Silent Strider tomboy

>>98686237
>Going back to your player's Lasombra priest idea. Its actually relatively feasible for him to start with Celerity by taking the Additional Discipline merit.
I was going to let him have Celerity as a Lasombre with the freebies, I just needed a good explanation and he was leaning towards having learnt it from an Assamite a long time ago(needed to be fleshed out more, but we could've worked on that). A few days later when I asked how stuff was coming along, he said he wanted to do an Assamite instead which threw me for a loop.

>If his design philosophy is "anime character expy"
He can get really fixated on certain ideas and leans towards expies part of the time. He's in another campaign right now playing as legally distinct Dante from DMC. I chose to sit out that campaign, but he wanted to play in it solely to do the Dante expy even though our last experience under that GM was really rough. Like I said, I said it was okay for him to do his expy in mine, but after thinking for a bit it's a little disrespectful to me and my desire to run a chronicle about vampires.

>his characters never fit in with the setting or even the table.
The lack of desire to fit the setting is a trend. Another time he was mad that I wouldn't let him play a non-anthro kitsune in Pathfinder rather than a kemonomimi.

>Usually for the best. At least start them off relatively even.
I put together a one-page primer so they all have a better idea of what's going on along with some idea of what the faction conflict will revolve around. I limited all backgrounds to three dots and status to one to make sure they're all pretty equal and more prone to cooperation. The main goal was preventing a serious disparity with generations and rank. Haven't heard from the player in question yet, but the player wanting to play Toreador wasn't aware of the generation rules yet and the player wanting to play Tremere was fine as long as he could still use blood potency to temporarily lower it.

>>98686309
Not quite.
I am Hy'rag, the Jostler of Spines, the Sinking of Flesh, the Maker of Shortcuts.
My arms are up, you see.

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>>98686328
owod was based

>>98686316
In Chronicles, mortals are eligible for "Supernatural Merits" that include stuff like telekinesis. If they gain a template they lose the Merit.
In oWoD, does a human who becomes a vampire lose any Numina they have?

>>98686419
I would assume no since a vampire can still have true faith but numina is not my field of expertise.

>>98686419
True Faith is a 7 point merit for vampires which gives 1 dot of True Faith and requires Humanity 9+.
There's a vampire with multiple paths and artifacts of Hedge Magic in Dread Names, Red List for V20, IIRC.

Shorter session of WtF last night due to family issues.

The Uratha drove into Maldon, looking to scope out the Pure. They recalled that some of the muscle that had been guarding the scrapyard in the first session said they'd been hired after a football match, and with a game on tonight, they went to check it out. There's no stadium, it's a very local team, so the grounds are a park and a storehouse. A few people were repainting the pitch lines and setting up chairs while the group poked about.

Dolly, our Cahalith, noted that in the Hisil, the nearby river Chelmer was streaked with blood, flowing from upstream further in town.

Dodge, our Ithaeur, crept into the storehouse and found a sleeping spirit in the Hisil. A fox with a rats tail, asleep ontop of a rubbish-bag the size of a small car. It stank of rotting meat. Using some gifts, he determined that the Spirit was hungry and would need to eat soon. They figured a scavenger spirit like this would have the lay of the land in the spiritworld, and resolved to come back later and catch it for questioning.

Following the spiritblood stream upriver, the group arrived at a Royal Mail depot. The carpark here was slick with spirit-blood, where it flowed into the river. They watched a young woman leave the depot (unbeknownst to them, this is the Pure pack-leader). What followed her out of the depot was more concerning however.

>>98686526
A heaving, pulsing mountain of muscle and blood forced its way out of a lorry-loading bay. The hatch was barely large enough for this monster, it had multiple gaping maws with fanged and blunt teeth, thick and heavy tongues lolled and lapped from them. Wild eyes rolled with its every motion, blood rhythmically pulsed from the creature. Pulling itself upright, it resembled a human heart. It flopped into the river, and allowed itself to be carried downstream. The bridge buckled and tried to avoid it, fish in the river panicked and docked boats screamed at its passing. Downstream, it pulled itself free of the river and hauled itself through town. Tudor-buildings groaned and creaked, pulling themselves out of the terror's path. A school shrieked and howled as the Heart pulled itself onto the roof, and fell asleep in the midday sun. The PCs watched as blood poured down the windows of the building. 3o'clock came and went and schoolchildren left, making their way home utterly unaware of the horror asleep on the roof of their school. Our Ithaeur learned the spirits name, Sanguine Scourge of Weakness. They've put 2 and 2 together, and realised that this Spirit probably has something to do with those guys who called themselves "The Pure", theorising that it might be their Totem.

We ended the session there, but next week they'll investigate further.

>>98684133
I don't think Vitae/Ghouling would fix her (and would you really take that chance?) I don't know about Mage or Changeling, but a Demon absolutely could take her disability for their covers. You wouldn't even have to say "It's a demon, from Demon the Descent". You could frame them as a Mage or anything you like really, all that matters is your PCs daughter was never disabled. Around town, they might see some paraplegic person and feel a deep disquiet that doesn't quite reach sympathy.

>>98686419
It varies by author and source book but generally they either retain the Numina or refund it for its XP value in thematically similar Disciplines.

>>98685496
>no idea how they won the second war against the hermetics without any counter magic
Its hard to lose when your only winning condition is not getting annihilated completly.

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And they say White Wolf does not represent foreign cultures properly.

>>98686648
The Ganges river probably has some insane Wyrm tainted pollution

>>98686651
There is no conceivable way it wouldn't be a Hellhole. Normie ass sleepers can probably just submerge in it and surface again inside Malfeas.

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Kinda wanna run Werewolf Boogeyman

>>98686666
>San Francisco tech CEO goes on spiritual retreat to India
>Gets transported directly to Malfeas
>Emerges with new social media app idea

>>98686651
Ironically, the Ganges is cleaner than you'd think despite all that shit, I'd depict it as s battleground between the Wyrm and Gaia

>>98686680
I think if there was some serious restoration effort for the Ganges, Modi wouldn't be able to shut up about it.

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locomotion of a Garou.

Can Mages switch between traditions ? Or will they send assassins after me to keep their secrets ?

>>98679111
TQ answer: Caul/Abyss/Hell.
>Funny answer: London/Chicago

Why where Kue-Jin axed again? Because they were too different from regular vamps? I mean the Laibon are as well, but they did not want to treat asians as a different species/general orientalism? Isn’t it normal to not know about other cultures? Just look at the japanese portrayal of western things. I assume it is grounded in there being so kany asian americans and probably more so their friends getting annoyed by it.

>>98686962
>oh shit here we go again
It sold poorly
It prevented normal vamps from beong used in Asia, which everyone thinks is kind of lame
SJWs claim they are racist
WoD is NOT a well managed franchise and nobody knew what to do with them

>>98686977
Thanks for the forthright answer. I hope I get to play it, a buddy has the book.

>>98682823
Tremere became vampires because they were second rate mages and gullible retards on top of that.

>>98687033
... who successfully diablerized an Antediluvian and exterminated his clan, mopped the floor with three others clans and turned them into a servitor race, successfully orchestrated the founding on the Camarilla with the Ventrue as a scapegoat figurehead while they're the power behind the throne, made themselves so invaluable that no one is willing to taken action against them even though they're hated and almost exterminated the Order of Hermes on two separate occasions, proving that thaumaturgy is superior to true magic in practical terms.

Stay mad, stay jealous.

>>98687083
>... who successfully diablerized an Antediluvian and exterminated his clan
It helps when said Antediluvian is greasing the wheels for them every step of the way.

>>98687083
Exactly, second rate mages. Your average Euthanatos from the slums of Bombai would perform better.

>>98686977
>SJWs claim they are racist
Less that, and more it was a perfect example of 80s/90s orientalism that has since become outmoded now that the internet means we can actually see the base culture.
>>98686962
>Just look at the japanese portrayal of western things.
That tends to be all across the map, on top of many being roughly based on early D&D books.. For every Berserk or Vinland Saga, you have a Slayers, Konosuba, or Those Who Hunt Elves. I think most Japanese productions of western mythos come with less tongue in cheek or meanspiritedness than the other way around.

>>98687247
>that has since become outmoded now that the internet means we can actually see the base culture.
Anon, look at CWoD europe and tell me that again.
People on the internet don't understand a single fucking thing about asian cultures outside what little they can get from anime, xianxian novels, and korean manhwa. They're complaining about "Orientalism" because it's a low hanging fruit for easy social brownie points right now.
>I think most Japanese productions of western mythos come with less tongue in cheek or meanspiritedness than the other way around.
Anon, you've clealy neither seen enough japanese media or american media if you genuinely think that.

>>98687083
>proving that thaumaturgy is superior to true magic in practical terms.
>Looks at xp Pricing
>Takes 20x as much xp and decands of research to do the same things True Magic allows an apprentice mage.
I think the Order of Hermes is just retarded anon. We're talking about the same tradition the trains it's initiates into master sorcerers before force-awakening them as srub initiate mages and has an entire house dedicated to just trolling it's own apprentices.

>>98687420
NTA, but with the current media landscape and the neocon slopification of all media following Christopher Nolan, the perspective is more understandable. We had movies were the infallible god (as portrayed by Snyder’s retarded ass) was letting his father perish to natural disaster. There was this great notion across the country that we have to sacrifice shit, freedom, family, friendship, for the greater “good”. While it feels like Japanese media from that era had a genuine and earnest belief as being the defacto message when sourcing from the west, of course. The era of the video nastys was far in the rear view at that point and the rot of a lot of these studios was beginning to become self evident, especially looking at Gundam, but there was an honest belief in the bullshit and esoterics of America that was still respected by Japan as a mutual conservative understanding, they didn’t have to do quite the level of mental gymnastics Americans needed to for plundering the planet and losing every war in the process. These days, shonen anime basically have anti-hero arcs programmed in them by default, so it has more parity with American media than it used to.

>>98687453
>they didn’t have to do quite the level of mental gymnastics Americans needed to for plundering the planet and losing every war in the process.
...what?
Anon, what was america "Plundering" out of korea or vietnam? Those were defense agreement pacts with military allies.
The midfle east is not the only only war america fought since WW2, even if it feels like that with how much boomers love sucking off the nephandi holy land.

>>98687472
SSSSSH. Anon, don't you know MERICA BAD! It has to be true, the nice Mephandi keep telling me so and that Merica needs to give them another 20 trillion to make up for it!

>>98687472
Well Nixon died a miserable drunk, so nothing, Vietnam and Korea are still communist nations. If I had to say, probably trying to do the exact same thing we are doing today, same results, losing to farmers, same as it ever was, I suppose.

Are there any actual rules for making golems/constructs without making them Familiars? I've offered our Roboticist Etherite an excuse to make a robodog by using mundane engineering + Forces/Matter and then awakening the resulting construct using Spirit 3, but I have a very dubious idea of how the end result should be statted out.

>>98687499
>same as it ever was, I suppose.
Nope, everything in volved is much, Much worse than you think. Korea and Vietnam were both intentionally sabotaged by america's own congress. They kept doing shit like making it illegal to bomb major military assets because "There might be chinese ambassadors there", restricting all flight paths to a single corridor that had all the enemy anti-air batteries, and other clearly treasonous shit. Then they had the fucking Gall to write the history books saying "America was just overconfident", when The Motherfuckers MADE US LOSE.
Yuri Bezenov was too late. The communist branch of the nephandi had already won by then.

>>98687420
>Anon, look at CWoD europe and tell me that again.
I think a better example would be to use a product line made after the internet.
CWoD has the problem that it is a legacy item with all the baggage.
>you've clealy neither seen enough japanese media or american media if you genuinely think that
I've watched plenty. Japanese productions are generally not meanspirited; they are intentionally made wacky, irreverent as the point, and they often mock their own culture as well in the same fashion.
Granted, we are having a conversation about media from at LEAST 25 years ago, and I was a teen nerd at that time still running to Chinatown to buy my bootleg white vhs tapes lol.

>>98687645
>Gosh gee howdy why did that mean old congress have to reign in Nixon and Kissinger
>The American people loved Vietnam and supported it every step of the way!
I cannot believe I am honestly even replying to this. You are insane.

>>98684133
A mage's healing is subject to paradox and dissonance, so that's probably not good enough, but they could summon a Supernal being who could do it permanently if you pass some kind of trial. One of the mage books, either the 2e core or Signs of Sorcery has some examples.
A DtD demon can take the injury as part of its cover, but they would have to make the bargain with the daughter directly.

>>98687083
>. who successfully diablerized an Antediluvian
>successfully
LMAAAAAOOOO!

>>98687448
>master sorcerers
lol
lmfao, even

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>>98687448
most order of hermes apprentices won't be master sorcerers. the apprenticeship only includes the basics of hermetic philosophy as sorcery and is only meant to be around 3-5 years during which the apprentice becomes more and more schizo because they artificially stretch out the awakening from a single moment to again years which however (allegedly) leaves them less schizo than other tradtion mages afterwards

if you manage to become a master sorcerer under these circumstances you had something else going on already

>>98686889
>Can Mages switch between traditions ?
yes there is even a merit for that
> Or will they send assassins after me to keep their secrets ?
possibly. it depends entirely on your previous boss

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>>98685434
See >>98680173
Clan Tremere are third rate magi with a fourth rate bloodline.
What they DO have however is kleptomania that'd make a gypsy sweat. Fuck they stole vampiredom. Anything you see them with access to, know they stole it from somebody or something. This makes them pathetic, but it also makes them extremely dangerous with how they integrate a dozen splats' worth of powers and artifacts into themselves.
Anyone who respects them as a clan is supping on the pyramid-koolaid. Anyone who doesn't respect them as threats is gonna get fucked in ways even a tzimisce couldn't imagine.

>>98688172
Meant for >>98685456
I was referencing group casts.

Where is hedgefag

>>98687863
Another idea, an alchemist could do it, but they would need to capture a Promethean to steal its vitriol. That could be an interesting moral dilemma.

>>98688172
>>98688183
>post about a amazing invention that everyone else had to copy
>Clan Tremere are third rate magi with a fourth rate bloodline.
anon that's not how it is. the tremere are legit the best when it comes of making use of blood magic and are the ones who made blood magic something to feared instead of shunned and ignored

but the problem is that they are still major idiots and the only way white wolf could write around it is by making all the other blood mages they kept retconing into the setting even worse
>>98685563
>>98685680
>>98685699
So Tremere ARE mouthbreeders who been running from their mistakes for a millenia and still convinced that just one more daring retard plot is going to fix everything, but the rest are still somehow more retarded and worse at both being a organisation and blood magic (even if they have better one they are using it worse). It's the normal fish in a tiny pond thing. If we could have anyone who isn't a actual retard to bite the blood sorcerery pill during the dark ages then they could have been the ruler of the cainite kind, but like how all clans in the dark age books call out blood magic was just seen as icky, uncivilized and worst needing actual effort that it wasn't worth even by clans that had a blood sorcery style and by the time they noticed that it was in fact worth it it was too late