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>>98681999>TQPsyker telepathy which branched out to the Psykhanium from Darktide and Sefoni basically messing with the minds of human mortals. I use this as a precedent for my guard dudes to have psykers that quickly "install memories" to hastily "train" new recruits. It seems easier and less expensive than hypno indoctrination machines for guard regiments to me.
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>"the price increase is due to [geopoltiical event]!">recently brought back the DoW honoured of the chapter box, which costs $50>the same models from the webstore costs $120so its just greed isnt it? gotta make sure this year has more profit than last year to appease shareholders
>>98682019BROS WHAT DO I BUY THAT'S ONLINE ONLY BEFORE IT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE
>>98682028buy it 2nd hand
>>98682019>battleforces are going to go from $255 to $270
I like orks :D>>98681999>TQI use the fact ork nob is short/orkspeak for “noble” to mean one of my ork subkultures are knight larpers like the knights of the roundtable.
> OPs TQ
>>98682038OP here.Sorry if I had an ESL moment despite English being my first language.
>>98681999>TQDead ogryns
>>98681999>TQThere's an Archon from the Jain Zar book that has multiple bodies that I use as part of my custom Kabal lore. Most of the weird shit in my DE army has some kind of precedent in one of the path books.
I haven't even finished building everything I bought before the last price rise. Now that marine points are going up I probably don't even need that box of jump intercessors still in shrink wrap. Should probably sell it.
>>98682039Well I've been posting plenty of stuff already, I think there are a total of four active GSC enjoyers in the general.
>>98682019Man, I'm so glad I bought the vast majority of my armies over a decade ago.
I might buy a baneblade before the price increase, even though I still have so much shit to build…
what book and edition did XV9s debut in?4th? 5th?
>>98682033>nearly $300 after sales taxbrutal
>>98682036>I use the fact ork nob is short/orkspeak for “noble” to mean one of my ork subkultures are knight larpers like the knights of the roundtable.Are you me?/myorks/ are kind of an intersection of Bad Moons and Blood Axes/Freebooterz that acts like a Rogue Trader and modeled his warband after a few feudal worlds they sacked since he loved all the pomp and ceremony knightly gits brought to the fight. I'm even working on modeling him a grot attendant to herald his arrival and play the squigpipes in battle based off this guy from the squig herd set. Just gotta figure out how to greenstuff the mushroom pipes to look more like a squig.
>>98682019>is it just greedYes. While it's true that plastic products are taxed bad in the uk because of pollution taxes, it still doesn't make sense for sprues of grey plastic to be this expensive.>inb4 but muh production and designIf you knew what the actual process was you'd cry for how cheap it was
>>98682066I'd rather scratch build my own baneblade pattern or get into 3d printing
>>986820705th edition, in 20112 years later the riptide would appear and shortly after forge world would do its two variants
>>98682070Picrel is my fav
>>98682062There are dozen of us!
>>98682114You know what they say about girls with big hands
>>98682019JUST BOUGHT $900 OF PLASTICFUCK YOJ GW YOU'RE RUINING MY LIFE I'LL NEVER BUY FROM YOU AGAIN
>>98682019that product they sell for way less because they are trying to reach a more price sensitive consumer. That is one of those products intended to help bring people into the 40k hobby.
I thought I was going insane until I saw the video. Apparently GW has a mandated canonical sound for bolters that everyone has to use in cutscenes. Except they can use whatever they want in-gameplay. >https://youtu.be/uHXqTJFVDOg?si=Wk_Imopo6_ivTF3f This is how it normally sounds. Meanwhile >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2j6NWxDyuE this is how it sounds in a cutscene>nigga, what the fuck are you talking aboutI think that canonical sound that GW uses for bolters is bad. Just had to get this off my chest. Thanks.
>>98682130Do you have more examples of the brand sound (tm)?
>>98682130The space marine 1 bolter sound is the best one. Not grating on the ears but still powerful sounding.Except the heavy bolter. That one was a mistake.
>>98682139https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-yiTAKbCKcHere as wellAnd the official animationhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/b5KDzudmxn8I felt like I was going insane when I started noticing it
>>98682019>so its just greed isnt it?Its not even profit seeking. Which is expected.I do houses for a living and even with all this price increases for all the materials needed. The only reason I had to actually increase prices is a result of the government doing something retarded like introducing a regulation that just makes construction more expensive or building operation more expensive.Like for example building needing a secure place for the "female harassment report book". What it is suppose to be and what makes it secure? No idea is not written in the regulation, but now we have to add personal and a specific secure room for a notebook that no one can use, because the retarded regulation does not mention who can use the stupid book.
>>98682120I just bought out all the chaos vindicators but I would never ever ever ever ever give GW money again, at least until the next price increase.
>>98682146To add to my point the new edition trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0hD3KBwoiAAnd the butcher's nails trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQwGg1hwtX0>>98682144Darktide has the best bolter sound desu, you can feel the power with each shot
>>98682146Based autistI remember how the bolter was said to be "roaring" and that's why orks loved bolters (back when they had bolters). Then this is the sound bolters have now.Nu40k is such garbage, holy shit, completely gutted the Metal.
>>98682019Enjoy these low low prices while they last, GW are going to get double fucked by rising oil/fuel prices and their inability to hit environmental targets.
>>98682148> Women harassment support book required by code Grim. I thought we had it bad here in Canada with our codes. T. Renovator
>>98682114Nice. I was going to buy Necromunda kits for making Aberrants & other Characters but I found some stuff dirt cheap from the combat patrol magazines. I'll still grab the Hive Hanger's On sprue for making Bio/Iconward/Abominant/Nexos/Sanctus from it.
If GW was smart they'd make highly customizable and poseable kits so they don't need 5 different sprues for the same guy.Instead they take 1 unit and make it 5 different kits, then make new systems, then make entire new ranges and new factions.Everybody is losing except the shareholders
>>98682171>Everybody is losing except the shareholdersSo then they don't need to change anything.
>>98682174ryangoslinggoddammit.gif
>>98682019It's been greed since October 1998, but this is like Greed 2.
>>98682151To add to this, I also noticed that they switched to using Space Marine 2 assets for the space marine models, but are not using cadian models from the same game, for some reason.
>>98682181SM2 cadians are middlehammer cadians
>>98682160GW can move production to any other country if they wanted, UK is great at shooting themselves in the foot but eventually they will force GW to outsourcr just to meet global demand.
>>98682184Yeah, makes sense.God the nu-cadians are weird looking.
Marines points increases not massive. Today's battle report list comes in at around 1950 points in current costs. Assuming combi lt and infiltrators go down in points, and dreads and scouts don't change, it's not a big price rise on tacticus marines and gull man.
>>98682209I'm still trying ot figure out a theme for my nucadians because I want them to be a not-cadian regiment. Might go for the studio colorscheme or a variant of it.I'd love some oldschool cadians modernized, go harder on the british/D-day look.
>>98682162Funniest part is that statistically speaking you are more likely to get hit by a donkey than the harassment that code is asking for. The entire thing exist because the local government was run by out of touch lefties that copy gringo's schizo ideas. As a result new housing in that area can only be afforded by people buy property for renting. Meanwhile the area where the actual 1% of the country lives has cheaper newer housing.Absolute insanity.
>>98682221I am not sure why people even thought it would be a massive point increase. A point increase means that players would have to have less models to play. And stat-creep forces the people to chase FOMO factions. T7 base custards and T8 terminators incoming btw.
>>98682233nta but I dared to hope they'd change the status quo. I'm sorry.
>>98682164>aberrantsPeople always forget that aberrants are small. They are suppose to be muscle tunnel rats so it makes sense they end being small.But videogame and art do not seem to get the memo and are always shown as huge hulking beast.
>>98682240It's okay, man, happens to the best of us.
>>98682240>Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
>>98682171New players don't know this used to be a thing so GW can slowly reintroduce the kits as "improvements thanks to technology" thus selling more models to their ever growing fanbase thanks to all the clueless normies Bricky and Space Marine 2 brought into Warhammer. It's not like any of the big youtubers will tell them how hard they're getting ripped off by GW.
>>98682221Infiltrators from 110 to ~80Combi LT from 95 to ~50Intercessors, Infernus and Desolation squads up 15 each (60)Leaves Gulliman and Victrix up a combined ~60 points.
>>98682265>see rule in 11th>is just the retarded version from a rule of 3rd/4th>newbies claims is the best thing ever>point out it is just a worst implement rule from older edition>newbie proceed to cope and seethe refusing to even consider the past was betterI would be fine with kids doing the cope and seething, but guys of my age also doing it is just sad
>>98682265>GW can slowly reintroduce the kits as "improvements thanks to technology"I wish. I genuinely wish.>>98682262Sorry I just did it again my bad
>>98682241I know, I already got 10 but GW is asking the 34 euros for 5 aberrants while I can get 10 Goliath gangers for the same price. Aberrants kit come with extra arms and hammers and whatnot so I can always change the heads and arms.
>>98682265The funniest part is that if GW had any business sense, they would've quadrupled their profits by being better to the consumer. Gundam is about as old as Warhammer and makes over a billy in a year, mostly via selling gunplay and basically not existing in the western market. Shit is legit fucked when me collecting perfect grade (the most detailed, largest scale) models for gundam is cheaper than buying a baneblade.
>>98682274>guys of my age also doing it is just sadYou ever wondered what happens to people who are retarded as kids? Yeah they grow up to be retarded teenagers, and then retarded adults.If you wonder why the world doesn't work right, it's because of that.
>>98682286Do you happen to know how big the new Goliath kits are in comparison to the old ones?
>>98682274I have an acquaintance who will agree that the 4th's implementation of everything was better, shit on 11th, and then when you ask to play 40k with them they'll insist on playing 11th because it's the newest and best supported edition. They don't even play tournaments and actively shit on anyone who attends them. It's so cringe. Some people just can't help sucking off corporations.
>>98682287Buddy you don't think the anime running for half a century might have something to do with that?
>>98682265The problem with multipose kits was that they didnt actually feel or look that multipose due to how you had to make each part interchangeable with all over components.Monopose kits are a different approach, models look more dynamic when you only have 1 or 2 copies of a unit.
>>98682287Gundam sells on quality. GW sells based on 11th grade math theory that says you need to keep raising prices until your profits decline before doing anything about your product.
>>98682291Minicompare has a few models named Goliath 2026, they're of various sizes. Some are smaller, some larger.
>>98682287>if gunpla ever becomes popular in the west all the kits will become expensive as fuckAAAAACCCCKKKKKK
>>98682300Literally what is stopping GW from making their own? It's not my fault that their attempts at it were all horrible. GW's inability to promote their product and refusal to price it properly makes it a pain for newfags to get into. Space Marine 2 did more for marketing warhammer than their entire Warhammer+ shitshow through it's entire run.
>>98682300nta but he's right. As for the animeS (plural), the demographics meet but aren't the same.40k doesn't have an anime but it's been going around for nearly 50 years too.It's well known and documented that treating your employees well and with respect increases performance, and treating the customers well and with respect also increases sales.But many people don't like the truth that money/profit isn't the point, it's just a means to an end: ego. They get a kick out of scamming you, it's simple as that. It's not a warhammer thing, it's a universal thing.They will run themselves into the ground and then blame the haters or the customers not being loyal/paying enough
>>98682301>buy Kabalite kit>Buy wych kit>effortlessly kitbash>Now have a pair of wholly unique units that are clearly dark eldar wyches and kabalites with literally 0 effort convertingDo you have brain damage or are you new? It feels like you've never built a multipose kit before and are defending GWs status quo because you've never seen anything else.
>>98682287>if GW had any business sense, they would've quadrupled their profitslmao they're making record profits every year, dipshit
>>98682312GW is like the government where they only go for the cheapest bidder, just look at most warhammer games.
>>98682291The Goliath Kit easily accommodates the Aberrant kit.If you have some spare bits from Aberrants the kitbashing is easy.
>>98682320>They'd make 4x the money>lol idiot they make 1x the money every yearBased retard
>>98682320>lmao they're making record profits every year, dipshitNot my point. Bamco handles the IP better, getting themselves over a billion freedom units in profit. Meanwhile GW only made 200kk in profit in the same year of 2025.
>>98682321The brits in general still operate as if their Empire was still a relevant thing, forgetting that by the time WWI started it was already collapsing.UK infrastructure new and old is worst than my third world new and old. Even our medical system is better.
What is the point of Deathwatch / Imp Fists? They have no theme compared to Ultramarines (romans), white scar(bikes, asian), dark angels (knights, gothic), etc.Imp fists are just...yellow marines. Deathwatch are just...black marines.
>>98682339low quality.
>>98682339are you trying to become another persistent shit stirrer like the dude that bitches about primaris every other thread
>>98682339Deathwatch are soup marines with an overall black-ops vibe. Basically allows you the freedom to design your super-diverse killteams that are united by the common black and secretive inquisition theme.Fists exist to be the most boring IF legion successor.
>>98682339>DeathwatchThe Ordo Xenos' own chapter of xenos hunters>Imperial FistsLoyalest defender of the Imperium>UMClassic Antiquity, not "roman">WSMongols, not "asian" (might even be some polish and hussard in there)
>>98682339imagine being such a retarded lorelet, that you think deathwatch is a chapter.
>>98682019It's just baffling to me because why is a company that has experienced an absolutely meteoric rise in brand recognition committing to a strategy of milking whales instead of trying to get new customers?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xciydqwa/space-marines-detachments-space-wolves-black-templars-and-deathwatch/Speaking of DW (and wolfs, and tempies)
>>98682369>>98682355I am not talking about lore. I am talking about distinguishing these chapters / w/e from others with more pronounced theming in their visual design.
>>98682372All the smart brits are dead or left the UK decades ago.The country is running on fumes, there even talks of dissolving the Union
>>98682339>Deathwatch Being the last bastion of customization and your dudes for Space Marines
That combat one is pretty good
>>98682372Because getting new customers would involve reducing prices and adjusting their rule distribution.
>>98682389They get new customers. Thats the whole meteoric rise thing. It turns out most of the price complainers are just poors. Now the characters are fucking robbery.
>>98682375>but the real party piece is the new 1DP Deathwatch Support detachment that uses the same detachment rule as the Black Spear Task Force, but allows a 500 point force of Deathwatch to be taken in any Space Marines army.Wonder what this means for the IA Deathwatch units in the future.
I am going to make my army 250 points of marines, 250 points of deathwatch, 250 points of agents and 250 points of knights
>>98682319Dark Eldar are uniquely easy to convert and kitbash because the whole range was updated at once just before monopose became the new thing and the army is mostly infantry units at exactly the same scale. Including characters on 25mm bases.
>>98682372I don't mean to cape for the company that is screwing me harder than my wolfcut goth gf, but they are relying on "old guard" and nostalgia a great deal. Even men younger than thirty are veering into the territory of RETVRN TO TRADITION now, which is one of the main motivators for nostalgiabait mini releases and primaris designs being downplayed or revised in more recent kits. They're basically trying to have their cake and eating it too, with mixed results. They don't want new people who will just buy a few kits and then move on to other brands/3d prints, but rather cultivate a fanaticism that demands brand loyalty. It's essentially like being in a cult at this point. Try it next time you're out and about at your LGS and you spot someone picking out some Warhammer minis. Chat them up a little bit, ask them if there's any other system that they're into. Chances are, this is the only wargame that they care about and find the others uninteresting for any amount of vague reasons.
>>98682396>It turns out most of the price complainers are just poors.This is a poorfag mentality, priding yourself that you can afford getting scammed is not exactly a rich guy way of thinking.
>>98682414I mean I put my characters on 28s just to have them stand out a bit, but you do you man.
You know, for most of the time I've been interested in the hobby I've thought that Eldar look kind of bad, but I just found the wraithknight and it's everything I was hoping imperial knights or battlesuits would be... might have to build an eldar mecha list loooool
>>98682033I apologize to printfagsI called you annoying rightfully so but you were rightYou're still annoying, but $200 combat patrols and $300 battle forces are worse
>>98682375At least grey hunters can be used in 5s without taking a specific detachment now.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98682333That's true of every "developed" nation. The US and Germany are similarly falling apart. Governments turned over leadership to the free market, and the free market decided extracting value was better than maintaining it.
>>98682425Every time GW does a price hike printfags look smarter. Resin is still dirt cheap.
>>98682378>I'm not talking about lore>also UM are romanGenuine retardation. The theme is part of the fluff, you mongol.DW's theme is xenos hunting on behalf of the inquisition, being a dedicated alien hunter and working for a powerful authority/institution is a fucking theme.
>>98682382>there even talks of dissolving the UnionDon't read the Telegraph, mate, it'll rot your brain.
>>98682019>redditors are already blaming the Cheeto man instead of the British government and stock marketThey're falling for it again
>>98682431>Governments turned over leadership to the free marketNta but not entirely true. Govt are just corrupt and in cahoot with as corrupt people. The "free market" isn't a free market at all.Very relevant because you can bet GW is corrupt too as it is the natural order of these kinds of systems.
Damage 3 thunder hammers now.
>>98682416At the lgs I used to go to with 80% of their minis being warhammer other people tried to get me into other systems and I saw at least 30% of people playing star wars legion insteadThough, I personally think warhammer is the coolest that I know about
>>98682416>nostalgia>and it's just the same few brand IP piecesIf only it was actual nostalgia, and not shallow shit on the level of the armageddon cover bullshit they pulled
>>98682431I trust just about anything more than I trust my local government to get anything done. At least greedy companies do the thing that I pay them to do.
>>98682339deathwatch is basically if you made your entire space marine force into kill teams.Imp Fists is for the people that need even more bland space marines.
>>98682456At mine there's a guy who comes in every time there's a new non-primaris release, he buys it and GTFOs. Saw one of the store clerks try to talk to him about some new primaris marines and he gave a look that could burn you alive.Also the guy is me btw.
>>98682472>At least greedy companies do the thing that I pay them to do.lol not if they can get away with it they don't
>>98682431>the free marketMy third world country is basically free market and have a functional healthcare system.Basically everything is private and as a result companies have to actually compete with each other and not just receive government hand out that distort the entire economic system.The "first world" lack of proper free market is collapsing your entire shit. Stop giving shit to people that are not willing to be part of a rational economic system
>>98682479I’ve never had to sue a company to get them to fulfill my purchase. I just buy the product, and then I have the product. Like I am paying a contractor to build me a deck, an electrician to wire it, and a roofer to cover it and screen it in. It’s expensive, but I also get to have it done. But I’ll lobby my department of transportation for months to fill a pothole in front of my house for months and get fucking nothing. I could have paid a couple Mexicans to do it in a day if I were fucking allowed to.
>>98682474But... why? Or do you mean non marine releases overall
>>98682499And the private water company I pay isn't maintaining the pipes and dumping shit in the rivers. Every week I get a new alert about water issues in my area. The National Grid spent decades not using profits to maintain itself and had to raise a shitload of money last year to start doing it (because of anticipated datacentre/new electrification demand, not existing customer disatisfaction with outages).
>>98682500primaris is cringe and looks bad.
>>98682500all marines are cringe and look bad.
>>98682339>Deathwatch are just... Black MarinesNot actually jumping on this dude's bait but this is genuinely a problem not specifically for Deathwatch but in general. 1/5th of the loyalist legions have black schemes with minimal accents - they *both* use white as their accent color (why on earth Iron Hands don't use Mars red outside of their tech Marines I don't know). A third loyalist chapter with high visibility in the setting and rules uses a predominantly black scheme, to the most success because it uses two additional accent colors and has a unique set of design cues accompanying the normal Marine wardrobe. And then as mentioned we have Deathwatch, again with an all black scheme, but more successful than the first two again because it has additional accent points to make them interesting - full silver shoulder pad, and chapter markings which can be varied across the army for visual interest.Tl;Dr - Raven Guard and Iron Hands are visually similar not only to each other, have little to make them interesting, and also are up against two other chapters/groups of Marines with high visibility who pull of black-dominant designs better.
>>98682526If the only way to bring primaris to the level of space marines is to bring them both down, says a lot.
>>98682514The awful overlap between utility companies and local/state government forcing you to use them is some of the most corrupt bullshit out there. I feel for you bro, that shit sucks
So who hates Logar more Corax or Guilliman?
>>98682425Buying a printer for a cost of one GW box could be called smart
>>98682543Lorgar was right to attack Calth
>>98682425The printer is step oneFinding the STLs is the real journey
>>98682534I think black schemes made sense back in the early 2000s when painting standards were pretty low. I think GW recognzies the problem, i mean raptors are featured heavily on the transfer sheet despite being basically unknown.
>>98682543Corax and it's not even close
There is no joke. Just boobs.
>>98682554By the time I found this not! necrons, GW had them taken down. So I'm still searching for someone that got them before it was taken down, as the original author refuse to sell them or give them away.
>>98682579Has any brilliant 3d sculptor put out a file for a Sister of the Orders Famulous?
>>98682581A gentle bit of push-pull would solve that, easy.Just say that you're willing to make a donation, and another person gets in touch with them to ask if they've got a file for them.It's easy, legal and completely deniable.
>>98682552to be fair Guilliman at the time he thought he kind of deserved it too, but to be fair it was better he was picked to raze Monarchia instead of Russ or Anrgon. At least Guilliman tried to keep the casualties as low as possible the other two wouldn't. >>98682563I never understood why he doesn't hate Conrad as much as Logar since he was the one who saved Logar
Which one to pick these days? -1 to Sv doesn't seem as valuable now that Cover is different, and DG feels extremely squishy to me, maybe the -1 to hit stuff helps a bit?
>>98682554Depending on your faction it can be very easy to find high quality scans of the minis days after release. I printed several vehicle kits and multiple squads and the only difference between the real thing and the printed one was that the printed one had fused some of the parts together to make printing and assembly easier. I even had to look up the official manual for one of the vehicles because I didn't know how to assemble it. The manual was perfect except for 2 steps which were already done in the printed model.
>>98682429bro it says do not use right there in the corner... what the heck...
>>98682591>Orders FamulousClosest I've seen has been from Mad's Minis
This is so much easier than the oil paints.Are you guys working on anything this fine Wednesday?
>>98682581At least you got it, so iy's not gone>>98682603Someone posted cadians shock troops scans and they were not great, but alongside them they also posted krieg combat engineer and I was happily surprised at how good the scans are, so that's 50+ bucks saved right there.What kind of vehicle/scans do you have?
>>98682610No, I have a game. But will try to put paint on my dragon princes or silver helms before the game so it's clear which model is which.
Sometimes I listen to music or read books and think "damn, I wish I could be creative like the authors of these works". And then remember that I do actually have a creative hobby - painting miniatures!
>>98682607Need one of them to sound me with a rod that's been made with decorative smooth skulls along the length of the shaft
>>98682633>to sound meI'm guessing "sound" is something I should not look in a public space?
>>98682615Lots of space elf stuff includingHarlequins ( hqs and squad)New VyperStarweaverFor guard I know there's a ton of Alt models and at least a really good scan of the leman russ - a friend tried printing one in fdm and we were comparing to the real thing.
>>98682633>sound>rod>look up whatever schizobabble anon is postingI... didn't need to see that.
>>98682638>leman russ scan>mfw I have a good recreation of the mars pattern russ but there are no side tracksfuck my stupid proonter life
Where does one get the scans on Necromunda .stls?
>>98682108they're all super cool
>>98682554Finding STLs is as simple as checking cults between 18:00ST Friday and 9:00BST Monday
>>98682019>>98682033Armageddon is already flopping hard here in my country. All of the recent releases are flops too. Before, they'd sell out in a few weeks. There are still a ton of boxes available for like, the IG Battleforce w the basilisk, the tons of Chaos boxes, etc.People were already priced out of the hobby months ago. This will just KILL any growth moving forward.
>>98682681I've got a few, but not always the ones I wanted.One I'd really like is scans of the new Genestealers, since I've been in a Space Hulk mood for quite some time
>>98682686When Saturnine released it sold like hotcakes here and Skaventide was fairly popular too, however GW made too many boxes and once the initial launch was over they had a shitload of excess inventory. During Black Week they were selling them for 50% off, crazy times. I've a feeling they're gonna do the same with Armageddon.
>>98682300It's not a single anime though.The kits that sell best are of suits that were last seen 30+ years ago. The new shit has been hit-or-miss. ESPECIALLY the last 2/3 ones. IBO had great designs though.
>>98682388Accept any challenge seems like bullshit strong as an army-wide effect.
>>98682414>uniquelyDude, EVERYTHING plastic was easy to kitbash prior to nuGW monopose bullshit.Marines - nuff saidGuard, Orks, Chaos - see LatDEldar - Guardians, Dire Avengers. Nids - you got 16 gaunts in a box, 8 termagants and 8 hormagaunts. You could put scytals on termagant bodies, and guns on hormagant bodies. I've used Genestealer scytals and rending claws on Warrior bodies easy. etc.
>>98682633What you NEED is to be institutionalized indefinitely
>>98682724>Marines - nuff saidI will never forgive GW for veering away from the best range of miniatures that ever was. Was such a pleasure to work with. No instructions, full creativity. Extra bits sparking creativity.I hate them so much.
>>986825813rd Ed Necrons look great.
>>98682725Dude don't knock it til you tried it.I know it sounds Slaaneshi as fuck but imagine having a mosquito bite that you can scratch, only you get to cum at the end of it.Anyway back on topic, why is GW wasting their time with primarislop when we could be getting based upgraded marine characters and Dark Eldar?
>>98682734I remember when I got back into 40k for 8th and I tried putting the models (Skitarii) together as I wanted, it wasn't a good idea. The arms have to match and the torsos have to match, huge change of expectations there.
>>98682694There are still Saturnine and (a TON) of Skaventide here. Planning on getting one when they inevitably go for at least 15%+ sale.
>>98682734those kits were ass bro, every bolter marine looked the same.
>>98682633Incredibly based
>>98682737Those are based in the pre 3rd necrons though
>>98682750That's because you assembled them the same.Skill issue.
>>98682762Weren't Necrons introduced in 3E with the free metal mini that came with White Dwarf? Then those Destroyers and Scarabs came in metal blisters? For use w the Chapter Approved army list?
>>98682637>>98682640Such innocence should be preserved and protected>>98682746No I think I’m gonna knock it because thats foul>>98682750Damn bro said it
>>98682767dude it used to be cheaper to buy books. I bought a ton like "Storm of Iron" and stuff for less than $5 a few years back
>>98682767the books are printed in extremely small quantities because they can only sell extremely small quantities
>>98682750
>>98682767If you have an e-reader or fuck with audiobooks you can get it for zero dollars lolOr if your are just down for a pdf on a normal screen
>>98682771Nop, they even had 2nd edition rules.For 3rd they got an entire new model line.GSC also existed before 3rd and those poor bastard only got a Citadel Journal codex and nothing till 7th.
There's this guy I follow on IG named Yeongho Kim (zero_five_kim) who does just really cool things."I made a Necron Warrior’s skull. After looking through various sources, I was able to find a nearly complete anatomical image. I’m a bit confused about the nostrils, though—some depictions show them, while others don’t. Aside from that, the mouth or jaw is connected by three wires, and I think I could create a variation where those wires are dangling. Although it’s never been done in a miniature before, it might be interesting to have the part representing the brain oozing out."
>>98682746You know what I take it backYou should be shot
>>98682798If they would have retained this look and went for the newer Destroyers it would have been perfect.
>>98682801Why are the neck articulation going into their eyes? Were this made by AI or something?
>>98682746>fuck primaris slop, we need character slopI guess you are dumber than your bussy
>>98682801Don't be a retard and delete that post
>>98682812>I only purchase physical mediaI know this is a boomer take, but you can download the pdf and print it on paper
>>98682814They aren't, those are eyes dangling from cords
>>98682814Look again, the eye popped off is just parallel to the articulation
>>98682824No. If you believe that GW watches /tg/ and not Instagram then you are a fool.Besides, he doesn't upload his files anywhere, they're all personal commissions.
>>98682831Neither do BL books.
>>98682830Oh, well that is an odd angle for them.
>>98682408Based actual imperial forces army anon
>>98682746I created a new subchapter of Emperor’s Children that are kind of like the Noise Marines but I call them the Sound Marines
>Nucrons
I want to use them in either 40K or Horus Heresy.
>>98682798hmm, didnt know they were around in 2E. I remember fighting them in 3E, pre-codex so they used some Chapter Approved thing that the other guy totally didnt understand or misread. All metal army, and the scarabs didnt have bases.
>>98682854
Who asked?
>>98682798>scarab examination tables o v l>the pads under the destroyer shaped like coffinsKek
>>98682855Well in 2nd scarabs did not have a base and you put them on top of your opponents model when attacking as token too.
>>98682854steeljacks? or thunderkyn?
>>98682857That reminds me, I still need to commission an artist to draw me Steeljack porn
>>98682763there wasnt a lot of variation, i mean you could twist them at the hip some or adjust their angle but that shit looked goofy.
>>98682812>you can keep them in a warehouse until you sell themGW spend more on warehouses than they do manufacturing. And that's when running lean and leaving half their products out of stock in their largest single market (the US). They tried larger print runs to bring down unit cost and ended up losing more money than the segment is worth. The books have a loyal customer base numbering in the hundreds.
>>98682871Every day we stray further from the Ancestors
>>98682864Forgot the image.
>>98682880They could expand their manufacturing?But then they would have to make the kids more expensive to compensate
I have made a poor financial decision…I have 5 unopened boxes of guard minis I need to build and paintand I just bought a banebladeI am truly the biggest paypiggie. Shame me.
>>98682900>I am truly the biggest paypiggie. Shame me.Dude I haven't even assembled my 8th edition yet
>>98682900At least you won’t have to buy anything else for a while. Work down your pile of shame, guardsman
Oi me fellow britbruvs! ‘Ow do you gois stop ya plastic from proper melt’n in da ‘eat!? Normally I’d turn up me AC unit but… you know how that goes innit!
>>98682905
Please help me. I need to know how to make the glowing green on necron eyes and gauss weapons. I do not have any white acrylic paint. Please fucking help. Please.
>>98682938Dark green, light green, yellow
>>98682940I am retarded, you have to guide me on how to apply it. I only have John Blanche masterclass paints.
>>98682905Why not google "fulgrim" and do both at the same?
>>98682905This except its huge (hate to brag but it starts with a 5) and it's to female beastmen
>>98682880Short print runs and FOMO offerings mean when they do print things sell out instantly, meaning less money sitting on shelves, less money spent on warehouses, fewer delivery dates. Product goes out, cash comes in from trade partners.In the real world you can't just make more stuff more often and always make more money. Everything has a cost.
>>98682949You sound based as fuck Anon
Some of my metal sisters are missing their backpacks. These seem to cost quite a bit especially the seraphim ones. Like 10 euros a piece plus only sold in UK or USA so add like 15-20 euros per backpack extra costs. Yeah I ain't paying 300 euros to get my missing backpacks.So any experience on how compatible the plastic sister backpacks are with the old metal ones? Or should I greenstuff recast the my metal ones or try to find maybe an STL for them?
>>98682945Use spare sprue to test it. I am not paid for this.
>>98682957He didn't say that.
>>98682957Dissing bricks and trains is where I don't follow
>>98682943What does “normal” mean in this context?>>98682962Metal sisters sounds sick>>98682967GW seems to be doing pretty good
>>98682887>>98682896Ik it's scawy and all to take risks but GW really needs to get their heads out of their asses and start doing anything they can to get people INTO the hobby instead of driving existing fans out. The titus model, though criticized by a lot of hardcore fans, was actually a great idea for this, as was the introduction of the combat patrol system. They need to do more stuff like that and they need to do anything they can to lower prices. Ik it's hard to do because you have to sell x number of a given unit to break even on the up front cost but if they committed to keeping the same models in production for longer that would help a lot. Unfortunately I think they are retards. The fact that they took down the Astartes series, which is one of the best warhammer animations ever produced AT NO COST TO THEM AT ALL, and then paywalled it behind a service that only the most invested fans will ever buy, is proof of this imo. They literally had an advertising miracle from the gods arrive and they shot it in the face.
>>98682880Surely another price increase this year will make everything better.
>>98682957this is what the people who call you a fake grog tourist grifter for noticing all the black women on Black Library covers look like
>>98682992This but unironically
>>98682983I dont think they really need to do anything considering how well theyre doing
>>98682983That's one of the parts that bothers me. Normally when you try to get someone hooked on a product you go in with low spending but larger returns, which then narrows as you progress past introductory kits into special units, characters etc.But now even the introductory kits are ridiculously priced, so poor Thomas is not gonna get his Prie-Marys Marines bought by his mum any longer.
>>98682995>Who cares if the fountain is cracked and leaking, we never had this much water before
>>98682995If you look at it through only profit, yes.They sell miniatures and sell them they do.However, they could be selling a lot more and retain a stronger consumerbase if they weren't retarded.
>>98682903Give me your LoC if you're gonna use it you fuck
>>98682019I have to believe my conspiracy that GW is making marines more elite is actually a move to just make everyone more elite and thus reduce the amount of models in a 2K army. They know they are pricing out people and thus are trying to reduce the barrier to entry by having 2K point armies have less models.They will never lower prices but if 2K army costs the same they will hope that they won't alienate as many newcomers.
>>98683021Nup, that's one of the few ones I'm keeping.You can have all of the primarshit, though.
>>98683011I dunno theyre doing pretty fucking good dude
>>98682967Okay kid, calm down. When you've worked a day in your life it'll start to make sense.
>>98683025I wonder if this is actually the plan, but GW definitely likes to make shit more expensive regardless of their aim. We'll see how much Abaddon costs next price increase.
>>98683028Nah guns are basedEspecially bolters
Alright prediction time. With these price increases how long until a 2K point army will actually cost 2000 dollars? And how long until a 2K point army will cost more in dollars than in points?
Oh god. Oh god. Oh god. Oh god. Oh god. I can't fucking find a good necron green glowing recipe USING THE SHIT I HAVE BECAUSE I ONLY PLAN ON PAINTING THREE WARRIORS AND THEN PUTTING THEM ON A FUCKING SHELF!!! I'M JUST WORKING THROUGH MY BACKLOG FOR PAINTING PRACTICE WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I BUY ALL SORTS OF FUCKING FLUORESCENT FUCKING SHIT IF I ONLY NEED TO PAINT THREE FUCKING DUDES. WHAT THE FUCK
>>98682019Are you gonna stop buying from GW? No? Then why are you complaining? Their strategy is clearly working, they jack up the prices, people keep buying them, and their profits only grow larger.
>>98683005>wagies larping as fountain inspectorsOh my days>>98683025That pic is sovl
>>98683025Half the barrier for entry is the time it takes to build and paint an army you can then use. 2k is a lot of space marines at the moment, and judging by today's battle report won't be going any lower with the new codex.
>>98683044This is a bit of a wide question, there's certainly already plenty of ways to build an army that costs more than that, the average is mathing together some extremes
>>98683026Then paint it, anon. PAINT IT
>>986829451. buy more paints2. most paints brands have a fluorescent green color as a technical option, they're super thin and saturated with pigment and you use them by applying a white undercoat and then layering the fluorescent on top, the "fade" occurs partially through density of where you put it and partially by capillary action. 3. if you really don't want to do this, then looking at the masterclass paints, use gladeshard, mix it really thin, and put a bunch of thin layers in varying density starting from the center of the glow effect going outwards
>>98683048You pretty much only need green and white dude lolWhite is an extremely useful color to have anyway just grab some
>>98683048as long as your green is brighter than the rest of the model it'll look a bit like glow. you don't need fluorescent paints.
>>98683050>go GW-vegan or you have zero room to complainNah fuck that pissy nonsense, if he even just buys less than he otherwise would have than that's still a protest
>>98683025Is that scout squad being lead by a marine?
GSC bros are we unJUST yet?
>>98683067>protestLolLmao even>>98683079Nah still stuck in the trenches
Speaking of necron glowing effects, why the fuck did GW get rid of the green plastic rods so people didn't have to bother with that shit?
>>98683084people hated them
>>98683084the rods were so fucking cool bros…
>>98683084The Starcraft game brought back transparent green plastic features....and then they fucked it up by making many of them core parts of the model assembly process instead of aftereffects.
>>98683100Can't you just paint them?
>>98683063also on point 3 by thin i mean dilute it to the point that you can see through it on your palettethe downside to layering super diluted paints is that they take forever to dry and you can end up with the coffee stain effect where the dried paint withdraws to the edges instead of to the densest spot
>>98683100??I think theyre fineThey look cool and if you want to paint them you can and if you dont you just put tack over them while you paint and you can end up with the cool translucent effect
>>98683084>whyThe guns were finicky and required specific machines and plasticThey are very cool and it's sad they went away, but the new ones are a rare modern GW win, it was a very elegant solution to the problem, so I'm not too peeved about it
>>98683064If I go into a hobby store and only grab white, I will look like a massive faggot. Hobby stores scare me. But ordering online poses a risk to my dogs because Amazon drivers try to kill my dogs if I have taken them outside and they happen to drive up. What the fuck do I do
>>98683025If each army is cheaper to collect GW might be able to encourage people to collect different armies instead of sitting on the space marine farm forever.
>>98683132They'd accomplish that by finally making army rules freely available, as it is every new army being price-gated by the purchase of a new book is a bad hurdle
>>98683167I hate hate hate hate hate HATE hobby stores. I go there and there's some fat bearded fucking monkey or a teenager next to the register, and I'm surrounded by "nerds" wearing their "nerd paraphernalia" and conversating like autists and I just want to sprint out the moment I get in, I HATE them and I'm only going to hate them less when I earn the right to actually play a game via a fully painted army. But I have to work my way there first. And even then there's transport and scheduling and maybe it'll be easier to just stay at home and paint forever.
>>98683025Imagine if we went back to a time where a dreadnought would be a centerpiece model? Wild.
>>98683156Yeah why would I even give an army chance without knowing their rules. And I'm not gonna pay for a codex. Off course 3rd party sites exist so that's why I have bought other armies.
>>98683183Why not make the trip worth it by getting yourself a treat after you've got to the hobby store?
>>98682900Build a stormlord and put some dudes on the firing deck
>>986830841. lack of greebling makes it look like it was from fisher price.2. pigeonholing your faction to one color scheme is generally frowned upon by designers.3. if someone wanted to paint it anything other than green or there was an official color scheme shift like tau had then it would mean they’d be SOL
>>98683183This, with my LGS Alphaspel in Sweden.Everyone is a raging sperg who knows nothing about normal human social interaction.
>>98682372I dont know but I was into 40k back in the launch of 8th edition but it was so fucking expensive I couldnt afford to buy an army until 10th launched when I got a new job and I also bought everything off of amazon so GW didnt get a cent from those sales except from initially selling it to the stores who put it up on amazon so I dont think it really works in GWs favor as much as they think it does.
>>98683183The owner of the LGS near me starts tapping his desk if you've been looking at things too long, really awful to browse stuff and they mostly only host Pokemon events which are attended exclusively by a horde of Filipinos who apparently spawn in purely to play pokemon and leave.
>>98683262The owner of my LGS is an awesome guy but the players are all hyper-competitive meta-chasing types which is a massive juxtaposition, now he just plays historicals and runs demos for people. We tried to start up Necromunda but it went south, Blood Bowl went alright though.
>>98683123It's okay for some models that but like the queen has 26 separate places on her ass alone that need to be masked just to Prime. For one model that shit's miserable.
>>98683271Can you put the transparent parts on her ass after she's built or nah?
>>98683271Like I said I just use tack and it was really easy honestlyI didn’t wanna paint over them I think they look coolIt’s not done yet though so
>>98683277It's literally the first step of making the model. Pic related.
All Tacticus Marines can get Rapid Fire all the time. Guess the S:6 profile ain’t bad anymore
>>98683183my LGSes are like 95% gigs spergs playing mtg and pokemon, taking breaks from their games to buy random blister packs of cards, cracking them open and handing half of the cards back for the lgs to put in their bulk binsat least the owner really likes wargaming and keeps shit in stock
>>98683183Every LGS ive been to sells at full GW retail price so its cheaper to just buy stuff 15% off on amazon. And the last LGS I went into used AI posters for advertising and barely stocked any non space marine shit and the register was run by some girl with dyed hair that clearly had autism and since I wanted a reciept but they dont print them I had to sign up to get emails from the store and they tried to get me to join the store discord and sign up for this and that. She was actually pretty nice but sometimes I just wanna buy shit without having to sign up for 10 things and get an actual physical reciept.
>>98683305>not fucking the autistic Warhammer girlNgmi
>Leak detachments>Only manage to take pictures of 11 of them and epicly fail to even take a proper picture of one of them so it's more like 10.5/15Fucking retard
>>98683312Gotta love it.
>>98683299what are tacticus units? intercessors, assault intercessors and heavy intercessors?
>>98683299Maybe GW will finally return shuriken catapults to being better than bolters? I remember the old days when shuriken catapults had 24", ap-2 to the bolters ap1 rapid fire, and sustained for d3 extra hits...Can't complain about 24" shurikens being brokenly overpowered now Mark!Definitely not coping guys.....
>>98683295Now that's a pain in the ass.
>>98683310The store was like 1 1/2 hour away from where I live, I was out on a roadtrip
>>98682962The plastic ones are a lot longer due to the height increase on the plastic ones vs. the metal models. The pack would look "long" on a metal model, so maybe shop around for STLs or prints based on the old scale or "true scale" if that's still how people refer to it.>>98682372Pic related is about tech industry shit, but it applies in part to ALL "market research" and therefore how ALL companies treat their customers and market towards them.The goal is to turn -BRAND- into a pseudo-cult where you either support it wholeheartedly in mind and wallet, or you're cast out as a heretic and have to go through a mea culpa to be reinstated. New initiates don't see the price increases because they're new and don't know how it was before, and existing members of the "cult" don't care about the price increases because they're conditioned to treat -BRAND- as a pseudo-religion so must defend its bad practices, or else they be cast out as heretics.Go ahead and reply with "interesting schizobabble," it is but it isn't.
>>98683324Basically all non-Phobos and Gravis infantry.
>>98683299Lmao I called it, they will be getting bonuses to make that profile much better.
>>98683299Sternguard looking pretty hot right now.
>>98683348>-1D is 2cpDoA, thank god
>>98683348-2 Damage Deathwing Knights btw.
>>98683361Doesn't stack.
What's better than 2 Immolators?https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/PFa0cThis is my usual list, that I use the most and would take to an event.I wish Celestine was better, she's so cool. Celestine has been my favorite model for a long time, I have her old metal version on my shelf. And the new one is one of my favorites in the whole game.
phobos shadow looks like a decent vanguard spearhead replacement
So where is that massive point increase? Can't believe you guys actually believe that shit.
Also one new thing. If a unit is hit by Infernus Marines they lose all access to cover for the turn.
I once again arrive with your daily dose of grape marinesthis time with my first attempt at edge highlighting and an Eavy Metal stylewhat brush size do you guys prefer for edge highlighting?
>Ballistus dreadAbility target aray within 24” range weapon gain sustain 1Iron clad champ rrhit 1Lascanon 2A S12 AP3 D3+3Bolter 4A rapid 4 S5 AP1 D1Rocket krak 2A S10 AP2 D3+3
>>98683374Huh? Won't the big update come out when the Codex hits shelves?
>Redemptor dreadAbility iron clad champion rr hit 1Duty eternal -1 DStorm bolter 4A rapid 4 S5 AP1 D1Gatling 8A S5 AP1 D1 (devas non monster vehicle)Icarus rocket 3A S6 AP1 D2 (anti fly 2+)Plasma cannon D3+3 Blast 1 Super charge S10 AP3 3DNormal S9 AP2 2D
>transhumanTroon normalization in my hobby, 40k has fallen.
When are the new intercessors being released?
>>98683396Redemptor is now -1 to Wound if attack’s S>T
>>98683404Why do you care?
>>98683404two weeks from saturday when the preorders go live
I must admit, I am kind of excited for new rules. Who wouldn't be?But I also don't want things to be overpowered, unfair, or unfun. I really hope they get the points cost increases right, and I hope that losing Oath is meaningful so things are balanced.I like battleline, transports, and shooty vehicles. Hopefully my list stays mostly the same. My impression is that there are detachments for all of these things so I think I'll be fine. I'll take transport+gravis detachments or maybe transport+tacticus detachments. That seems to be the sort of thinking they're going for, which I think is a fine system. Everyone has their favorite category of model and detachments beefing up certain model types you like is fun.https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/zSLv1>>98683324Scroll down to the Keywords box and mouse over Tacticus. It gives you a list.Basically it's all infantry that is not Gravis, Phobos, or Terminator. With some exceptions.https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k11ed/factions/space-marines/Intercessor-Squad
Infernus 3A blast1 5 -1 1
New armour of contempt wording is weird. Works "until that enemy unit has attacked". Old wording was clearer about lasting until all attacks from that unit have been resolved.
>>98683367I've been trying to make a Sisters list that isn't named character spam for a day or so now and it's just a headache knowing how much I'm intentionally gimped, even if I still take Morvenn. I was incredibly tempted to run a meme Exorcists/Zephyrim list with Army of Faith/Chorus of Condemnation, but that's a lot of models I don't have that I'd have to buy, and Sisters aren't exactly cheap.I think I'm going to keep hammering out Hallowed Martyrs with the Morvenn brick until the codex drops so I don't have to relearn my rules twice this edition.>I wish Celestine was betterShe's effectively a warp daemon, she should at least be as good as one if we're going to be logically consistent on "make the tabletop more like the lore" that was the justification for the marine buffs.I'm not saying she should be Be'Lakor tier, but she needs to be a bit more than the flying Hospitaller with 2 extra wounds and a funny power sword that she is now.
>>98683422Strips cover but no battleshock test.
GW is really bad at writing rules they need an autist to do it for them that played mtg so the rules are clearer
>>98683367>>98683421This is a form of avatarfaggotry btw
>>98683389Are you pulling these from the battle report vid?>>98683432That's got a definition
It seems quite easy to get +1S to attacks, which makes the whining from T3 players more justified. I can get S6 shooting from basically anything as needed.
>>98683453Fair but a really weird thing to have to define when better language exists and was clear in the existing version of the rule.
>>98683331>Go ahead and reply with "interesting schizobabble," it is but it isn'tI wasn't going to say that because I don't even think this counts as schizobabble beyond the weird repentance idea(I don't think anyone in the fanbase is asking others to apologize for not being in the hobby anymore or w/e) I was just gonna say that if they really knew what they were doing they would take a page from the literal crack dealers and make it really easy for new people to experience the fun part for the first time However, they are not doing that
>>98682938Vallejo Fluo man
>>98683446Who cares? They are posting models
>>98683470The same photos of models in every fucking thread
>>98683470This is tacit defense of decalmutant. Context matters and posting models doesn't excuse shit.
>>98683470>>98683446Same reason why sallyfag, lamentertranny, and decalfag all got bans btw>>98683470Same stupid defense from back when they were doing it too
I dont know how to base my knights
>>98683485Glue
>>98683487Yeah but after that
>>98683470Reposting the same shit every thread is obnoxious. Especially if the paintjobs aren't anything special.
>>98683025dunno man, they dropped Leman Russ Demolishers from 200+ to like, 160 in the span of a few months.
>>98683437Hallowed Martyrs lead by Vahl is very solid and very popular, you can't go wrong with that. In fact, last I checked, it was the most popular and highest performing combo.Chous is fun and fluffy and it does have a couple cool strategems (Exorcists give JPI Devastating Wounds and JPI give Exorcists +1 to hit, so you actually feel like they're spotting for each other, rules reflecting lore will always be kino) and it has a 15 point enhancement that gives a canoness jump into reserves every turn which is strong. If JPI and Exorcists are your favorite units then do it. I actually like the trend of detachments just buffing units that are the player's favorite, it feels like you get to customize your army based on what you like. I have Celestine and 10 jpi painted up, and I love them so much, but I always run out of points. I don't really want to leave home without a couple immolators, a couple castigators, Vahl and her goons, a couple battleline for scoring, and the sacresant brick to contest objectives. Those are sort of the bread and butter, so what you take after that is highly contested.
>>98683473>>98683479>>98683481nta but the models look nice and they aren’t unpleasant, so I don’t care. and decalfag posting his slop models every thread is the least problematic thing about him.
phobos shadow and shock force both seem pretty good, shame I have to pick one. shock getting reroll wounds while hidden is one of the better detachment rules on first impression. unclear whether umbral evasion lasts for a single attack or the whole shooting phase.
>>98683501I agree they look great but its like that custodes anon, he posted his shit ad naseum in these threads for a while and we were all sick of it by the end
>>98683418Because I like how they look?>>98683420Thanks, so probably will be avaivable where I live in around a month from now.
>>98683473You want us buying fresh models for every thread? Right as they're hiking the prices again?
>>98683521I guess that will change to seeing fresh printed models soon
>>98683481>sallyfag, lamentertranny, and decalfag all got bans btwLamentersfag got banned for being an unironic troll who was intentionally baiting people into having arguments with their models. Ie. trolling outside of /b/. It wasn' because of avatarfaggingDecalfag has gotten not because of avatarfagging, he got banned because he had gotten banned 99 other times before his retarded off-topic lolcow tier behaviour. The avatarfagging just made his shitty behaviour much more apparrent and more easily tracked.As for sallyfag he hasn't gotten banned, at least I don't think so unless I missed something.
>>98683044There are already kits that cost more than $1 per point with todays prices.Tyranid Warriors are $65 for a box of three. 60 points for the brood.Biovores are $53 for a box of one. A brood of 3 is 140 pts ($159). Worse w Pyrovores, where the same 3 boxes build a brood of 3 for 100 pts.Hive Guard/Tyrant Guard are $85 for an 80pt brood of 3.Venomthropes are $85 for a 55pt brood of 3.Probably a lot more in other armies.
>>98683050I've given money to Para Bellum instead of GW a lot in the past 3 months. Does that count? All my GW buys have been either heavily discounted or 2nd hand.
>>98683455Bad day to be a Sisters, Admech, Guard, Eldar or Tau player.
What can GW to advertise warband color schemes so it isn't the First Founding + Black Legion? I'm surprised they don't make books for other warbands, the only one I know they made one for was Lords of Silence.
>>98683546>inb4 some simp faggot jumps to lamentrannys defense even though he flat out admitted he liked riling people up
>>98683463The repentance idea isn't about people who have left the hobby or game, but about those who have broken from the approved orthodoxy being punished/"pushed out."It's the blatant disdain GW has for grognards with their armies made of firstborn marines, hoping that they can bring in more newcomers to offset the old (and string a few of the olds back in to buying new models so GW can double-dip on them by forcing them to do a "test of faith"). It's the "won't you think of the hecking billion dollar company when you 3d print that model" sentiment among certain people. That's what I mean.I know I'm not explaining it very well, sorry about that.
>>98683551Yeah but most kits aren't especially with combat patrols and battleforces. But there will be a day that a 2k army even with the use of combat patrols will cost $2000.
>>98683580Ad mech's probably already there lmao, particularly if you want an army that actually does something.
>>98683262Dude which LGS is that?Just get from Hobby Factory or Hobby Emporium online
>>98683295pre-prime just that part before sticking in the clear?
>>98683432Not a Space Marine player so I can't be assed to comb through leaks for it, but are you telling me AoC is still in their book as it basically was before (-1 to wound) even *after* they've been given a new, better solution to the "problem" AoC was meant to be a bandaid for?
>>98683183I dont mind the one I go to but fucking hell the magic bros outnumber everyone else massively and they all smell so fuckin bad.
Anyone here used the green stuff world colourshift paints, or any of their paints in general?
>>98683546how the hell has decal not been doxed yet? I don't think even Ben was this bad and people were eventually ringing up his mum and sis.
>>98683573Wait scratch that, forgot about this book. And speaking of, whatever happened to this series? They made two books and that's it, one about a black Alpha Legionaire by Mike Brooks and this one which I've heard is more fun. Nothing else has come out and Mike Brooks later made a continuation of his dogshit Alpha Legion MC.
>>98683267The owner of my LGS is a turbojew guy who just cares for money (his own words) and the only reason why people get to play any wargames is TCG player don't fully occupy the entire store and few tables are left. Once they were hosting an MTG and Yugioh tournament at the same day and told warhammer people NOT to show up for games.I mean we still get to play it there but the moment demand for TCG games increase, wargamers will be pushed out. I've yet to buy any 40k models from there as they charge GW's prices with 0 discount.
>>98683305>Every LGS ive been to sells at full GW retail price so its cheaper to just buy stuff 15% off on amazon.Where do you go to? Card shops that have a shelf of GW stuff tucked in the back? Because any store owner who actually gives a shit always sells kits from %5-15 below GW's prices because how the fuck can you not if you want to be competitive and turn a profit?
>>98683546Decal got banned because he was systematically targeted by the nomodels trolls here who mass reported him for posting so many new models and the mods got tired of dealing with the excessive reports so the easiest solution was to target a single anon but enuff with the namefag drama and lets post some models.
>>98683499I'm kind of on a shoestring budget with my Sisters since I just finished out my guard list, so I'm trying to mash a bunch of things that barely work together into a coherent list to not have a bunch of units that just sit on a shelf.A non-zero of me struggling is trying to force-fit a Palatine into a list that really doesn't need her; clearly she's meant to be a melee unit, but nothing else I have for my Sisters is meant to be melee, so I'm trying to find the most "cost effective" means of running her. So far I've been sat on adding another Immolator (from 1 to 2) and splitting a squad of Novitiates with her taking the melee half and using the other half as home base campers with a Simulacrum to generate miracle dice and do some backline screening. I can't wrap my head around fitting a Palatine into Sacresants and she feels like a waste to run solo; maybe she'd be good on Insidiants?
>Only one LGS in my city for miniature war games which is only GW>Tons of other LGS for only TCGs and DnD
>>98683455I don't see it.If it's strats or enhancements then whatever.
>>98683618Hi Decalmutant!
>>98683612>Once they were hosting an MTG and Yugioh tournament at the same day and told warhammer people NOT to show up for gamesThat happens all the time at mine, we usually get a message saying that we should ring up first before coming in just in case there's no room, and sometimes they just tell us not to bother. They host tournaments every weekend just about but the ones that take up all the room are usually mtg and pokemon
>>98683618>let me stir drama>but I'm the only one allowed to! now lets post models!also>least obvious decalnigger samefagfuck off back to r*ddit
>>98683546the sallyhater schizo dreamt he got banned and confused it with reality.MANY SUCH CASES
>>98683551What the FUCK is up with hive guard and venomthrope kit prices anyway?I once spent a lunch break at work putting together a 2k tyranid list (I'm not a tyranid player, but interested) and looking up how much it would cost by looking up -25% deals on third party retailers and second hand nos stuff on troll trader.The list included 6 zoanthropes and 6 hive guard and two squads amounted to literally about 40% of the total cost of the list
>>98683618Oh jeez its started early. Is this a case of we say his name one too many times and he shows up?
>>98683612This happens except for ITC tournaments at my LGS, you suddenly have a whole fucking pile of Warhammer players with no tables left.
>>98683374just wait...
>>98683618hey, can you post models? the orkanon posted his models already for you, so I’d like to see you do the same.
>>98683606that’s cause ben was a retard who posted the exact same pics here as he did on his personal reddit with his addy and phone number.
>>98683651We’re not going to be doing this, the thread is moving smoothly on the track and I won’t allow you to derail it.
>>98683648Oh my god my marines might go from 100 to 110
>>98683669Intercessors are going to be 90 so yeah. Nothing
>>98683573Just have some series on cool warband colors on WarCom.
>>98682900I have 4 different combat patrol boxes, krieg and red corsairs battleforces and handful of different kill teams. You are doing fine
>>98683610Pretty sure it was abandoned. They released a Night Lord and a Word Bearer books that could have been a part of the series, but they weren't.
>>98683669You'd be surprised how much it stacks up- trying out orks and my unit count went from like 15 or 16 to 9 or 10. It doesn't feel bad because I shoot good now, but it's definitely a little above a sidegrade because it's easy to dance around my shit or tag something and turn off it's killyness because no fall back and shoot
>>98683640I think it's because they're legacy combo kits and nuGW HATES those (Hive/Tyrant, Zoan/Venom) so they price them premium for all the extra plastic you get.
>>98683592armour of contempt was "worsen the armour penetration of the attack by 1" and is now "attacks that target your unit have -1 AP" which is slightly more confusing but the same thing.
>>98683668youre just trying to delay todays ban lmao
Grey Hunters can now be split in 5 man groups, very cool. What do we think fellow Wolves?
>>98683668>dude who’s gotten banned 200+ times acting like a thread guardianlol. do you think acting like this will make anyone think you’re a good person?either way, I’ll stop replying, just remember no one here likes you, and everyone wishes you were gone :)
>>98683618Put the trip back on.
>>98683708I think they are permanent
Desolation Marines flat ignore cover on all their weapons
>>98683623Palantine is actually good with Novitiates because they give her rerolls to hit as well as reroll advance+charge, and she gives them Lethal Hits, which are directly synergistic abilities.The unit loses Infiltrate if a Palantine joins them, but if you split them in an Immolator, the half that doesn't have the Palantine can still Infiltrate. That can be the half with the Simulacrum.This is one of those things that is synergistic and sounds good on paper, but then you look at what's out there and remember that you're not actually going to beat much in cc. But if you shoot this Palantine with full rerolls unit at something like an opponent's MSU you can get the job done, and the Novitiates themselves are OC2, so the ideal situation is you bully a smaller MSU and then flip that objective.Insidiants can be kitted for close combat and the Palantine benefits from their Quarry rerolls, so that set up is fine too. Insidiants are cool models, especially the sword+shield one, so I always find an excuse to include them, and I do plan on getting into Killteam to use them there too. Insidiants are also cool because sometimes your opponent is just randomly a psyker army or has a psyker centerpiece and they pull double duty. Randomly tagging a psyker is pretty common these days.
metal Stormboyz because why not
>>98683710I don’t believe in karma but man do you deserve the worst in life.
>>98683669That means 1 or 2 less units.
>>98683724I love the patterns on their rokkits
>>98683735Within range of expectation.
>>98683743My favourite is the hypno swirl
>>98683723I do think I'll drop the Novitiates and put the Palatine into Insidiants as an "optional swap-in" unit if I'm playing against TSons or GK or some other psyker heavy list. It'd be another reason to buy the kill team too, I really like the models. Might add a Hospitaller to them and run the up the table in a Rhino to really have fun with it.Talking it out has been very helpful for theorycrafting this, thank you
>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1GKDFg1XLBxrlcsPhgnKJFlksRzsrbibZSM codexhas been leaked. Full codex leak.
>>98683743>>98683748thanks! painted these for an ex-student of mine. i should stop getting my kids into Warhammer and ruining their future finances.
>>98683755dare I click?
>>98683755Will wait for Auspex Tactics, I bet his video'll drop within n hour
>>98683616Every store I have visited in the new york state outside of NYC (i dont go to the city) but not past albany. Might have missed a couple but generally the stores here suck, one time I wanted to buy a halo figure and the dude at the shop fucking dropped the box and I made up an excuse of only having a 20$ when it was 30$ (and also it was so overpriced when I heard thats how much it costed)
>>98683761Don't hesitate now.
>>98683755I clicked it and it made mustard gas.
>>98683761seems legit
>>98683755TOTAL HORDE DEAD
>>98683767oh Valrak's literally going through it right now
>>98683755Thanks for the dolphin porn.
>>98683783>rapid fire, sustained hits, blastare there any keywords it doesn't have? doesn't the latest gravis detachment give lethal hits as well?
>>98683786I love that fatty, lemme tune in
Gravis bros...I think it's joever...
>>98683805Looks fine
>>98683546I’ve only been banned for off topic modelless posts because I got suck red by a bat post. Usually it’s just a single day if that.>>98683421I like looking at this army because you can see from unit to unit where you tried new things or your system changed.
>>98683812Suckered by a bait* rip phoneposting.
>>98683812>got suck red by a bat post.what?
>>98683755Tacticus Firestorm Force>Intercessors get Rapid Fire at the full range instead of half like everyone elseIronstorm Spearhead>vehicles can reroll their attack rolls even more than the ones that already can do that>can give the Rhino +1 heal to any vehicle that isn't a transport>Vulkan He'Stan's buff to torrent and melta weapons was changed to +2 SThis is a huge buff, Infernus are now s7 shooting into t3, AND they now have blast 1 on top of it. Something's gotta give eventually, I don't see how any of this incentivizes me to want to actually play a horde army as a horde.
>>98683724>>98683743>ooh, you like to play orks>you like to post I like orks :D every thread >you will throw a tantrum every ORKtober over no ork models released
Really, REALLY should've been an index edition if codexs are buffing armies as much as we've seen
>>98683755Daily reminder to not click google drive links.
They sure love giving every weapon multiple choices and keywords this edition
>>98683805>everyone gets tougher>except gravis
>>98683812Sallyfag as always, your lightest touch commands obedience. Good to see you fren.
>>98683828Being TWO higher than normal Marines was already eyebrow-raising. They don't need to be more than one higher.
>>98683783>3 of these things make 27 attacks into a full boys squad.>18 hits, 12 wounds, 10 dead boys.>Its even worse for T3 units.
>>98683577His aos conversions were kino so I forgive him
>>98683783>S6Isn't every other heavy bolter still S5?
Here's my first Howling Banshee. I started to paint this a week or 2 ago and a few days ago I decided to put the finishing details on it and cover it with a wash. Obviously I'm gonna have to clean it up a bit but I kinda like the dirty look. What I'm more amazed about is how I got eyes perfectly and the shade somehow got rid of tiny little speaks of red jutting out from the eyes.
>>98683848Hate when retards just slop a wash over their model and they go "it looks dirty and grimy" when it really looks like they just dont know how to apply a wash
>>98683848Fixed the image
>>98683809>Regular bolt rifle has higher strength AND accuracy than the heavy one>On top of plasma, RAPID FIRE KRAK, actual melee, hiher movement. free actions>Looks fineThe heavy intercessor guns don't even work against MEQs anymore. Fuck is this 250p +1T unit gonna defend from? Guardsmen and gaunts?
>>98683847Erads just shoot harderer, that's why their heavy bolters are S6.
>>98683828and phobos. and vehicles. just tacticus and terminators.
>>98683848They don’t really do grimy dirty because of their femininity but I’m not gonna complain about a decent wash and overall it looks quite good.
>>98683857Oh yeah you're right they have the Godwyn Pattern Heavy Bolter. Maybe they'll have Godwyn pattern heavy stubbers too.
>>98683852Let's see your models
>>98683852Thought I was in my lucky star tab for a second
repex down to just 4 different shooting profiles, thank the lord
>>98683854Here's the back>>98683852I mean I could go back to clean it up with Wraithbone and such but I also like it looking a bit dirty. Idk what would look better.
>>98683863He doesn’t have any
I'm Austrialian lol
>>98683868You do you man dont listen to that faggot
>>98683856They're T6 with 3 wounds each and a 2+ when they camp an objective. you stick them on a point and then forget about them.
>>98683854>unthinned wash slopped all over the modelAt least you painted something which is more than 90% of people ITT can say
>>98683873I'm actually a Texan
>>98683755I hope you enjoyed having support characters in your army T:3 players. You won’t anymore
>>98683879>>98683852Animefags outing themselves again
>>98683883Wait damn I thought I rotated it upside down on my desktop
>>98683828>>98683805potentially, that means their points stay the same, right?
>>98683842A squad of 5 Infernus led by Vulkan He'Stan can just wipe 20 guardsmen outright in the majority of cases.
>>98683847and every other bolt pistol, bolter, and storm bolter is s4.
>>98683879Samefagging>>98683886Falseflagging
>>98683907Permanent means permanent
>>98683894I can tell you from personal experience that’s a tremendous waste of Vulkan’s buff and without it the result is more like 7-8 dead guardsmen. Though I’ve played a lot against a krieger army with attached psykers where I kill maybe half the squad after invulns, FnP’s and the medic’s revives. I swear to god sister and guard players are the whiniest little manchildren. At least Eldar players know to stay quiet.
>>98683884Well at least I'll have +1 trying to snipe my friend's warboss now
>>98683884Reading the rule I thought there was no need for a bolt carbine sergeant any more, then I saw its stats. Reivers no longer choose between combat knives and bolt carbines, they always get both. AP-2 pistols. Might be fun in phobos shock force.
>>98683909You’re lost in space bonehead
>>98683909Trying too hard shitposter
>>98683755GW still trying to make Reivers work. They might succeed this time.
has the lore dropped too or just the rules?
You're fucking crazy hahaha
>>98683856Ooh, now I get it. Me stupid.Maybe GW will update the heavy ints and give them better rules/stats to boot, it's possible.
>>98683894You don't have squads of 20 guardsmen. If they're 20, then they're 25 because a command squad is with them
>>98683894Hey man your new tactic is just to have your guys die in huge droves, you're just constantly going to be taking models off the table. What, you dont find this fun? You're going to win in objectives though!
Permanent -1 to hit Terminators let’s goooo
>>98683755>S6 HB on EradJust shoot harder bros.
>>98683936Nobody plays fists
Does the codex not show points?
>>98683953Why do people hate Fists anyways?
>>98683953I’m relatively fistpilled
>>98683953Because scientifically only trannies can paint a yellow army without it looking like shit
>>98683959No, you always get those from WarCom these days, since they change so often
>>98683953I've noticed a few people at my lgs starting imperial fist armies, these people are the competitive types too. Are they broken atm or something?
>>98683953That's because their rules were ass.Now you can mix terminators with anything and not be stuck in a shit detachment with your yellow marines.
>>98683953I play fists and I was already working on Darnath and Tor. But Ive been working on a big night lords project for a friend, i'm probably about 40% of the way through. I gotta get that done first then maybe ill start posting fists again.
Combi LT has a once per battle ability that extends detection range 3" for *one turn* instead of its current ability. From a 95 point auto-include to total irrelevance.
Lieutenants losing half their abilities if there's no captain on the battlefield is dumb.
>>98683990It's actually insanely based
Can’t access the file currently, can someone post the Terminator detachment?
>>98684015I got you
Have fun with Dev wound redeemers overwatching you
>>98684024Fuck and I just sold two of them
>>98684024>4A, Blast 2Damn, when they want flamers to be good now they'll fix the attacks at a high average instead of a D6
>>98683933Including the command squad gives the Infernus another attack per model, so they'd have 40 attacks per 5, or 80 per 10, on that 25-man squad of guardsmen.To show my work, 3 attacks default, plus 1 per 5 from blast 1 (25 is 5 groups of 5, so 5 extra), is 8 per model. 5 models doing 8 each is 40 attacks. Unless I'm misreading how blast 1 works vs. how blast used to work since it didn't have a number grade before, at least on anything I'm used to.It might take 2 units attacking to wipe the group of 25 instead of just the infernus squad, but the chances of those guardsmen surviving more than that 1 turn aren't very high no matter how you math it out.
>>98684031Don't play 11th but that's 2(4+2d3) auto hits from the 12" flamers alone if you have....5? Or 10? models in the squad?Shits wild.
>>98684024>walk my 10 dudes into range>that'll be be 16 auto hits at -2 2I guess I'll just die then, thanks
Aggressors look dogshit too considering all power fists stay at S8Even with the new +1S within 9'' it fails to reach the new MEQ SvT breakpoint.Quick math says a full squad of 6 aggressors charging into a squad of intercessors is gonna kill either 2 or 3 models and fail to even flip the objective. Before even any potential clap back.Yeah, nah. If they stay at the exact same points as they are now, they might get to at leas feature in some flavorful imperial fist casual meme lists until other factions get their own codexes.But if they go up in points then GW is probably unironically sowing the seeds to hammerfall bunker them all next edition.
>Me who plays 2 T3 armies looking at the marine datasheets
I like that space marines start good and just get way better without having to jump through inane fucking hoops like my army does.
>>98684058>exact same points as they are nowlel. the entire army is getting more expensive because the one unit of 5 intercessors that everyone takes is going to T5.this codex looks like a joke compared to the orks codex
>>98684070Now is the perfect time for a new army, my friend.
>>98684043Against a 10-man squad, that's 8 attacks (4 base, plus 2 for every 5 models in the target unit) per flamer and it has two of them. So 16 shots at S6, AP-2, 2D with Dev Wounds. And because it's Torrent, it ignores cover so that's almost guaranteed to wipe a 10-man Marine squad.
>>98684070Blessed are the main characters of the setting
>>98684078No.Now is the time for 100 Necron Warrior Phalanx!
>>98684018Tenk you very much. I wonder how many detachment points it’ll be.
>>98684073Based. God damn those pesky T3 armies been cring nonstop since the first preview dropped and demand their equal attention cake.
>>98683873I think white looks good on eldar, I will probably do something similar
>>98684058Flamer aggressors are actually really good into chaff, blast 2 and twin linked means that 3 of them pick up all of the usual suspects regardless of squad size>>98684073>45 points
Everyone wounds marines 1 worse.But marines also wound everyone 1 worse.So I have no idea where this will go.
>>98684108Everything but gladius is 1dp, divergent chapter detachments are 2
>>98683821Why not
Magnetised the turret on my castigator successfully, was worried I would fuck it up
I SAW SOMEWHERE THAT THUNDER HAMMERS ARE FINALLY D3 IS THIS TRUE
>>98684132Yes
Wait until guard and sisters get their massed a3 blast 1 flamers. Flamer edition incoming.
>>98684132
>>98684073the ork codex was kinda the same shit bro,>Oh my god boyz are S5they were already S5 during a waaagh! and the entire army went up in points despite only boyz and Nobz going up in Strength and they also lost army wide +1 Attack during a waaagh!, the lethal hits on shooting is also meh because cover changes meant 3+ save models got an actual benefit against AP 0 shooting and Orks were hitting on BS6+ couple that with the point increases and it was essentially just to keep up with those changes. Plus they lost the strongest detachments.
>>98684142why would you ever take the lightning claws?
>>98684119Hey I won’t complain about that>>98684141Sister’s really need a buff, them feeling more elite feels like it should have been a bigger priority than Space Marines being more elite.
>>98684141>Acolyte hybrids w/ hand flamers>2a blast 1I can see it now
>>98684151>>98684151Because you glued them on your models
>>98684152Sisters need to fucking chill out and wait like everyone else.
>>98684151The amount of unholy attack that it can make with sustain and twin-links?
>>98684151You play against tyranid players often and need to remind them who the real protagonists are by picking up 60 gaunts in 1 activation
>>98684131>was worried I would fuck it upHow, it's literally 4 steps>cut the pins off of the 2 mantlets>drill holes where those pins were and glue m3 magnets in them>glue m3 magnets into the blocks the mantlets are supposed to hinge with>assemble the turret sans the mantlets because they're now interchangeableNow use that confidence to do some more stuff.
>>98684152Sisters are now just dogshit marines. GW even said they’re not a real Power Armor army in the Marine Q&A.
What didn't happen is marines getting special toys.There's no s12 marine melta, no s10 marine plasma, no s6 assault marine power weapon, etc.Only toughness got scaled and only on particular units.
>>98684165>No S:12 Melta >Does he know?
>>98684165>What didn't happen is marines getting special toys.other than the 500 point primarchs
>>98684165>no s12 marine melta
>>98684165You guys got S6 heavy bolters.
We're one edition away from bolt rifles getting squatted.
>>98683884>non-monster/vehicle Nigga this shit shrimplified to hell
>>98684170Aw shit, I've scrolled to that entry.
>>98684181Remember, a bolter is NOT a boltgun
Just be glad marines no longer have Oath rerolls and +1 to wound on your favourite unit every turn.
>>98684152>Sister's really need a buffDidn't they shoot up hard in winrate this weekend?
>>98684151If the Librarian Termie still gives Sustained Hits you can have them lead the unit with the Lethal Hits Enhancement and theoretically a block of 10 Assault Termies can get 60+ wounds in without overkill wasting any until after the unit is dead.
Not gonna lie, any excitement I had for trying out marines in 11th has mostly evaporatedThe new codex just looks really boring>Everybody spent 90% of their 10th ed SM games running gladius. What can we do about it?>Remove gladius because it's too universal and goodstuff-esque to bother running anything else? Get this clown outta here. You're fired.>The real solution is to remove everything EXCEPT gladius so we don't have to bother creating or later balancing any actual new detachments.>Just fill the rest of the slots with some +stat slop that we'll bump to 2DP if anyone actually tries using it.
>>98683884Oh sure, because marines are SO scared of t3 characters that they'd kit against them and not take the las fusil, right?Stupid faggot
>>98684151They look cooler
>>98684206Yeah 1 weekend because some expert sisters players won some games, the only fucking change was 2 miracle dice a turn instead of 1, you can still only use 1 per phase and they're worse marines in every way
>>98684211+2S on them isn’t the worst
>>98684142AND IT'S A GOOD DATASHEET ABILITY LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO
>>98683868>what would make it better Not using acrylic washes at all and strictly using oils so you can apply & and remove the wash at will with mineral spirits without having to repaint the model afterwards.
I like that abilities on characters with different armour/mounts seem to be consistent again.
>>98684221>+2 s or +6" rangeYea I'm adding those Insidiants to my list, fuck psykers
>>98684219I'm pretty sure it's more than that- you have a natural advantage over Orks with their more elite shooting focused style of play putting trades in your favor, and chances are marines will turn out similarly with their toughness changes.
>>98684214Why would you take a unit that makes 3 attacks per turn and not take the weapon with precision
>>98684225Or even just a 1:1 mix of wash and medium
>>98684221Ah well, though you do still get Sustained Hits on the charge. This just makes the Librarian a better leader for the Thunder Hammer variant now though, plus 2 Strength to better get d3 damage through goes crazy.
The UMs newest OC Donutsteel is one helluva blender
>>98684253Is this THE Black Lion of Ultramar?
>>98684240Because 80% of the characters in the game will laugh and shake off the 3 damage that gets through? Meanwhile EVERYONE runs some vehicle or big guy that'll make slightly weaker lascannons useful always.
>>98684253>10 attacks on 2/2s vs 10 man squads
>>98684181>he says posting a marine with a bolt rifle
Might be time to dig my Ultramarines out of the closet
>>98684253too many pages of ultras characters in the book, not buying it now.
>>98684253I wish we got Cassius or Telion instead. We already have a character for the Victrix Honor Guard, it’s Cato!
>>98684248I intend to have a terminator librarian lead hammer assault termies and while at first I was like, "what, just S2?" on reflection that helps against a lot of common profiles, getting you to the next best breakpoint againt T5, T8, T9, and T10, so a lot of lighter armored stuff that you could realistically send your termies into if you are an infantry heavy army, and now that there are more T5 marines that can help a lot if you get stuck fighting them too
>>98684267>Rerolling everything if there's a character
>>98684255He's the guy who cucked the black lion of ultramar
>>98684070Don't worry GW said we'll see less marines on table>inb 10 intercessors go from 150 to 160
>>98684307>Warcom batrep list went from 1955 points to 2000It's joever, marines are dead
>>98684307I mean if points go up by about 15% for every unit it'll make somewhat of a difference
>>98684318My estimate is that they'll increase the points a bit too little and they'll enjoy 60+ WR on tournaments, then GW will start increasing the points incrementally.
>>98684317woah who knew all those increased stats was worth 45 points
can someone share the new REP EX datasheet?
>>98684337
>>98684235Yeah I'm thinking of buying them too. One of my friends runs Mortarion and that guy just cannot be fucking killed with Sisters weapons. Only time I killed one was when I had literally every single one of my sisters shoot that thing in one turn. I'm talking like 1600-1700 points worth of stuff all aiming at him. Barely fucking killed him but my god I did it.Celestial Insidiants are the solution against that. Plus I have an another friend that plays killteam so I could try that mode for once.
>>98684343>d6+4 damageDamn.
>>98684343Luv me grav tanks
bros…after this codex releases…I think starcraft finally got us…
>>9868437040k has been GW's worst game for years now, this changes nothing
>>98684370Luckily you’ve got no models and play no games so your opinion is completely irrelevant
>>98684375>GW's worst gameI thought Warcry was.
>>98684343>BS3+ with heavy, so it hits on 2+ as long as it doesn't move>Executioner ability gives +1 to hit rolls on any unit above half strength, so it hits on 2+ even if it does moveWhy
>>98684317They intentionally took things that got cheaper to balance things out. Desolation squads lost most of their indirect fire, Infiltrators lost the deep strike denial bubble, Combi LT lost everything that made it good, and dreads got slightly weaker.
>>98684378nta but he’s right the sc tmg is really good and so are the models>>98684335thats 45 whole points though man
>>98684386Pseudo-Ignores Cover
>>98684386Don't forget it benefits they threw on a gatling cannon and twin heavy bolter on the dedicated tank killer that also benefit from the +1 to hit because fuck horde armies while they're at it
>>98684362Always was.
>It takes S:20 to wound a Redemptor on 3s What the actual fuck
I don't know how retarded, denthead paypigs can defend GW at this point.
Ironstorm and Terminator Storm look like the strongest detachments by far. +1 to charges out of deep strike is really good, and rerolling hit and wound for big cannons can be insane.
>>98684427sorry meant to reply to >>98684378
>>98682019>business that exists to make money orientates to make more money. Inconcievable.
>>98684416It takes s18 to wound wave serpent on 3s, doesn't mean much.-1 damage is a stronger ability because it prevents you from getting plasmaed/power fisted to death.
>>98684441I mean, I didn’t know the Wave Serpent was a melee beast and fantastic at shooting, and had a -1D Relic
>>98684434Terminator detachment got major push>-1 damage strat>damage buff strat>redeploy strat>easy to charge out of ds and free rapid ingress>big buffs to terminator output
>>98684375Kill team is where its really at
Do they not put which units characters can join in the book?
We are out here playing Legion Imperialis
>>98684460KT's current rules also suck ass, the last edition was better.GW's best games are MESBG and BB.Even AoS has more enjoyable rules and balance than 40k
Scout boltguns are rapid fire 1 a1 instead of a2, I think I was planning on giving them shotguns anyway but now I can build them
Wait they got buffed before they had to replace the boltgun with a combat knife they get it for free along with their boltgun
From my perspective the worst pre-10th days of GW were like the 7th era with the custom army structures that encouraged you to buy like 3 banebades, 8 leman russes, etc. That's as naked corporate greedy as I remember them being.And then I think 8th/9th had huge probems with powercreep but actually managed the spotlight and letting each faction do their own cool things quite well. But 10th, especially after Space Marine 2 vidya came out, I felt really trended back into that era of greed. Every new release was pushed. Ultramarines, not just space marines, dominated the releases from the midpoint of the edition. 11th really looks like it's continuing this trend. I wonder if there will be a backlash like there was with 7th.
I WILL practice glazing skin tones and doing subtle shading in recesses on skin.I WONT just be lazy, throw a wash and do layering again because I cannot be fucked.
>>98684491>Power MinersI will now paint my Votann with yellow skin
>>98684491Dont care as long as you paint the eyes
Its weird that assault is on so many weapon profiles you wouldn't expect when giving army-wide assault is all one of the three doctrines does.
>meltaguns are too low strength to wound tanks and now lost an APwhat lol
>>98684471>Even AoS has more enjoyable rules and balance than 40kThere's no way this is true, /aosg/ complains about how soulless 4th edition is all the time and how we should RETVRN to 2nd edition though to be fair the core rules are usually considered pretty good, and I haven't heard anyone complain about balanceAnyone who plays both who could settle the issue?
>>98684508So many units and characters have ways to ignore or double doctrines that it doesn't really matter. It won't be a real limitation.
>>986845124th is solid rules wise but it’s Tome design wildly veers between soulful and worst thing you’ve seen with little middle ground
>>98684512The early codex equivalents in AoS for 4th were really bland
>land speeders can deepstrikeNice. Bit weird we still have both assault cannons and gatling cannons, I don't see the point of the distinction, especially when assault cannons seem to be only on land raiders and terminators now.
>>98684471>Even AoS has more enjoyable rules and balance than 40kEvery bad design choice in modern 40k stems directly from AoS.
>>98682274Got some examples?
The eradicator multi melta rules make me hopeful that when our codex drops us sister players will finally get some anti vehicle. So hopefully like retributors will get a similar mode.Heck even regular multi meltas becoming S10 is a nice boost.
>>98684253This is Marneus Calgar's college roommate that came out of nowhere, right?
>>98684536Not true, AoS doesnt have mass rerolls, lethal/dev wounds arent on every weapon, things dont have a ridiculous amount of attacks and damage, the game doesnt break if the battlefield isnt littered with terrain, and it actually has casting/dispelling/miscasts like 40k did prior to 10th.
>>98684512AOS 2nd edition was one of the greatest fucking game ever, could use a little balance tweaks because there were some cheese lists but hit the balance between simplicity and in depth customization perfectly.AOS 4th removed all spells/relics/warlord traits from the core rulebook and each codex had half as many detachments/spells/relics/warlord traits as before and they also removed several gameplay mechanics such as heroes getting to do various actions and monsters being able to go on rampages and do shit like gain bonuses for charges or destroy terrain pieces, it also removed morale outright as a mechanic and the codexes themselves were also super bland and many units got simplified and had weapon profiles mergedand AOS 4th stopped putting points in the books which is super anti consumer
>>98684512There's no question AoS has better rules than 40k. The problem is the tomes in AoS, not the core rules. The designers were extremely reserved and lolrandumb with the initial tomes, and it took until IDK, Khorne, for them to start actually exploring the design space.
>>98684548I thought it was Titus' father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate
>>98684547I'm sorry dude but as a fellow SoB player I don't know what in the last 3-4 years of rules would give you hope for this.
Hellblasters got a sneaky upgrade to D2 on standard shots. Lost that dumb shoot on death ability, now half as likely to take hazardous damage from their guns when they do overcharge.No more teleporting scouts either. Codex feels a bit boring but has removed more dumb shit than it has added.
>>98684553>Not true, AoS doesnt have mass rerollsLast time I played AoS my army (or what was left of WoC anyways) had every single re-roll. Every single ability was a re-roll. It had so many re-rolls half of them were redundant because I had several sources of the same re-rolls. It fucking sucked.
>>98684576Dunno when that was but it's not the case now
>>98684568I mean at least we will get S10 multi meltas at least.....
>>98684576That all went away in 3e as I recall. One of StD's things in 2e was very powerful buffs so yeah they had trivial access to rerolls then. 3e almost entirely stripped out rerolls.
>>986845802ed. I stopped playing before StD got their 3rd edition battletome. Doesn't change the fact of what I said.
>>98684581Possibly, GW did say most of these weapon buffs are SM/CSM only
>>98684587I mean we won't get them right now. But when our codex drops we will. It would be silly how a storm bolter that's on a sister rhino is s4 ap0 while a storm bolter on a marine rhino is s5 ap -1. Same thing with multi meltas.We will have to live with our inferior weapons until we get our codex tho. Unlike Grey Knights and Chaos Legions.
>>98684586Everyone here is talking about 4th edition so what you said, while true, is meaningless and you contributed nothing to the conversation
>>98684593Sisters were left out of the bolter update for a reason. They’re the only bolter army not getting new ones.
>>98684581>s10 multi-meltaIt'd just be a buff for Retributors, 1 s10 weapon in a squad of Sisters isn't enough to matter IMEIf they extend it to the Immolator too, then Immolators with jump-out Retributors are the new meme thing every list includes alongside the Morvenn brick. I don't see meltas moving the needle very much.A change to our bolters would unironically be a better buff all-around.
>>98684601To be fair I can see why they didnt want to give a horde army S5 bolters
>>98684595nonce artist
>>98684605Every multi melta is S10 D3+2 (melta 3) with marines. Us sister players will most likely get those to every one of the melta units. So BSS, Retris, Immos and Paragons.
>>98684601Guard and Admech have bolters as well and they don't get the bolter update as well.
>>98684595I said everything bad about the current 40k design philosphy comes from AoS, which is true regardless of how 4th is.
>>98684586It kind of does because that was 6 years ago and we're all talking about current 40k vs. current AoS.
>>98684620Name 5 things.
>>98684619They’re not full on Bolter armies like SoB tbf
>>98684605>1 s10 weapon in a squad of Sisters isn't enough to matter IME2 shots at D3+2 melta 3 can fuck up a tank with a lucky shot.
>>98684620aos only got it because he was a testbed for 40k changes in the first place
>>98684593>>98684601I honestly see sisters being re-squatted within 5 years.>>98684616There is no longer any internal inconsistency within army or weapon stats anon.
>>98684625LemonsRocksPaintPrimerBrushes
>>98684631Sisters hit on 4s base with them so 2 shots on 5s vs super easy cover isn’t doing anything.
>another day>more marinewankAt least it's stats/rules talk this time...>>98684499How do you paint your eyes, anons?
The current state of the game is what happens when you remove morale mechanics from a wargame that desperately needs them. When the only way models leave a battlefield is by dying you have to make it way more lethal
>>98684634Nah no shot
>>98684383No you’re thinking of kill team. Warcry as gamey as it is can be enjoyed.
>>98684639Fill in with black then put two small white dots in each. In my old age (34) I need a magnifying glass to do this accurately and cleanly.
>>98684641Morale cannot be included because marinefags cry too much when marines flee.
>>98684634How can we be "re-squatted" when we have never been squatted in the first place?
>>98684641You mean battleshock? Are you showing your no games anon?
>>98684652Compfags cry when their unit breaks
>>98684647nah kill team is alright I was correct originally
>>98682396Imagine if they could sell to both poors and non-poors
>>98684653Re-relegated to WD army lists
>>98684654Battleshock is laughable as a morale mechanic.
>>98684631>instead of banking *all* your MD to dump into Morvenn to chew through tanks, now spend them piecemeal on retributors and BSS to kill tanks>these units then die instantly after doing chip damage and give you more MD, which then can be fed to the Morvenn ball to finish up the tanksI think I see the vision?Still feels kind of shit to me though with everything else outside of the vacuum. Especially because of how many vehicles/monsters are t11 or t12 and want to sit as far away as possible; this change wouldn't move the needle there really.
>>98684652lil dude is upset his codex is 2 years out LOL
>>98684656it was never a problem with other armies, only marines, so it's not a waacfaggotry thing
>>98684664Rets are still a dead end at T:3 W:1. They’re more expensive than flash gits right now.
>>98684652>>98684669Trying too hard
>>98684641Losing control of your dudes feels bad, and battles are so short it's kind of irrelevant/unrealistic.
>>98684664Nobody writing the rules has understood how sisters work since 8th ed.
>>98684625command points and stratagemspower levelsabilities on every single unitweapons tied to datasheets instead of being modular and attacsk and ws/bs being moved to the weapon instead of the userremoval of the armouryremoval of templatesremoval of a proper morale systemThere's more and I already listed more than 5.>>98684633Don't see how that makes it any better.
>>98684657>killteam is alright >the game with needless complexities yet 0 fucking list building is alright No wonder necromunda is also turning to shit.
>>98684679Not everything that tries you is hard, you're just a thin skinned faggot
>>98684686Losing feels bad, who would've thought. Game still needs it.
>>98684673I'm 90% sure power armoured humans like SoB, SoS and inquisitors will all be bumped to T4. Aspect warriors too.
>>98684698nah
>>98684697Aww the shitposter is upset
>>98684692>b-but dude, my spreadsheet optimization!>>98684697ESL?
>>98684701They literally aren't going to do this and people will briefly seethe and then they'll release Black Templars 2.0 - UberTemplaris and nobody will care anymore.
>>98684706Gargle on my cock as you play the game that has all of mainline 40ks issues but worse.
>>98684703meant for >>98684679
>>98684652Morale is all over the place on the table top. Also it doesn't help that every faction has something written about "the X are fearless and unquestioning and go through things that'd break a normal person, blah blah blah"So it does get kinda weird when a faction that is painted as dauntless and fearless, then fall to complete panic and bad shit happening.
>>98682610I forgot to post the flames earlier
>>98684713>N-no uLol
>>98684710An elite witch hunter faction of Black Knights to compete with Grey Knights would be cool
>>98684691NTA but AOS doesn't have stratagems. it also had a morale system where models fled and didn't have it removed until 4th edition after 40k 10th had already launchedthe removal of an armoury section and moving weapons to datasheets is the same thing.This is really grasping for straws
>>98684716Older editions had this solved with marines auto-regrouping if they didn’t get swept.
>>98684712>S-STOP HAVING FUN! FUCK!Ima just keep havin fun over here little buddy you just keep being upset over nothing in your little corner
>>98684673That's the basis of my point>they have a better attack if they get s10 multi-meltas, so they can do a bit of damage to a tank if you get them close and give them MD to guarantee damage, one for each attack you wanted to guarantee (that you had to allocate before rolling so you inevitably waste some)>but then they die instantly due to being t3w1, giving you ONE miracle die for the whole unit no matter how many you spentI don't see it mathing out very well to keep the Morvenn brick (or even another retributor unit) running unless GW buffs miracle dice generation to an absurd degree, which would inevitably be exploited via Repentia or Novitiate spam being intentionally suicided to get 60 dice "for free" instead and cause GW to re-nerf it.
>>98684712On the bright side you can get some characterful models from KT.
It helps to frame "battleshock" and morale as equipment failures and communcations equipment breaking and such things. It represents them not being able to receive orders basically, and is an abstraction already. So if your fanatics like SoB or your hivemind monsters like tyranids or whatever suddenly get "battleshocked", it's because their phone broke or their psyhcic connection tot he hivemind got dissrupted. It doesn't always have to be panic, especially if that doesn't make sense.Hell, the more I think about it, regular guardsmen and tau are the only ones where it's probably actual panic. Every other faction pretty much has to be flavored as something else in some way.
>>98684728I wouldn’t call a game of kill team past 2018 fun or even a good use of time but you do you. Your ilk are no better than mtg folk.
>>98684738you wouldnt call anything fun other than having toe curling orgasms inside mens’ assholesthats why nobody values your opinion>>98684736yeah some of the models are pretty cool
>>98684053Anon, you weren't goddamn walking 10 dudes into overwatch range of that thing pre-codex either. It did 2d6+6 autohits, which averages to 13. It's better at shooting 10+ man units, but worse against anything less. Like, a lot worse. Still a good overwatch threat, but it won't just annihilate 5-man units as easily any more.>>98684084>almost guaranteed to wipe a 10-man Marine squad.It has less than 50% chance to kill 10 regular-ass marines, which is the absolutely optimal target. It wounds on 3s, so about 10-11 wounds (2-3 devs), then they save on 5s, so about 7-8 dead marines on average. Remember, on average means it happens about 50% of the time. Which is damn good, but you're really exaggerating the power of the thing. And if they happen to NOT be 10 dudes, the output drops dramatically. I don't think it reliably drops 3 bladeguard.
>>98684736>characterful sculpts >kill team>when it’s just copy pasted shit half the time at best While I don’t like it, the zoat being rereleased under the kill team guise is the best thing to come out since the space cops. I’d like to say I like the traitor guard too but wgas damned mog them I’m afraid.
>>98684724>NTA but AOS doesn't have stratagemsTechnically true but it does have universal actions that cost CP. Even those are better balanced than strategems, though
>>98684716>"the X are fearless and unquestioning and go through things that'd break a normal person, blah blah blah"it's only a problem with marines
>>98684724>NTA but AOS doesn't have stratagemsWhere do you think they come from if not AoS command abilities?>it also had a morale system where models fledFuck no it didn't. Models just died if you failed a roll. Which is exactly what 40k had until 10th. And 10th's morale still sucks compared to what was before.>the removal of an armoury section and moving weapons to datasheets is the same thing.They are separate things. We had no armoury in 8th and 9th and weapons were still modular in those editions.
>>98684748I think there's potential for cool models at the very least, I like the little techpriest that came with the servitors, and the upgrade kit for CSM was also pretty neat.
>>98684716>the X are fearless and unquestioning and go through things that'd break a normal person, blah blah blah"What is this newfag argument? This has never been true outside of marines and they just regrouped. They could still flee for a turn, get pinned or lose a combat and be overrun so morale still worked as a proper alternative to deleting units.
>>98684755>Which is exactly what 40k had until 10th40k only had that in 8th and 9th. Morale was different before that.
>>98684723See, guys like this are the fucking problem.
>>98684736On the dark side you get "updated" kits with awful forced schizo loadouts thanks to KT.
>>98684748>copy pasted shit
>>98684765wym thatd be kinda cool
>>98684773>Another Cadians box Wow
>>98684763You couldn't be arsed to read the rest of the fucking line?
>>98684743Nice to know you equate kill team with gay sex. I never was into winner tops but it did seem neat.
>>98684755Units used to fall back and would have to beat a leadership test to rally. Some units didn't have to do this, or they had the choice of automatically passing said test like space marines who I think also had the option of falling back and regrouping automatically.>>98684768This I really don't like. For example, my servitors can't even take the other heavy weapons that we already have models for including the plasma cannon and multi-melta, it makes no sense in a frustrating way.
>>98684253That Veteran Bodyguard rule is kind of insane, I think. Because of how wound allocation works, you always put this guy last in the order, meaning any character he hangs out with will enjoy a 4+ fnp until dead (unless you precision out Kaius). Calgar is probably the best one, but that will probably get real expensive real fast. Something like a Captain with Imperium's Sword and this guy stapled to 5 Assault Intercessors or Company Heroes (assuming he gets to join those joins) is kind of a huge fucking pain in the ass to kill, and the two characters put out 11 AP-3 D3 attacks bettwen them before even the Captain pops Finest Hour.
>>98684768I will never forgive GW for fucking battlesuits like that>we can't balance the weapon options between each other, due to no wargear costs!>how about instead of using wargear costs, we fuck everyones battlesuits and tell them to fuck off to legends if they don't snap off their weapons to replace them with the approved loadouts?
>>98684785Yes I know that's how it worked in 40k because it copied AoS. That's my complain from the start.
>>98684755Dude command abilities is just like 7 abilities in the rulebook that are spend 1 point to re-roll a charge roll and unlike stratagems these were generated and discarded every turn lmao. If you actually think AOS command abilities are comparable to every single detachment having its own set of stratagems that you have to memorize or the 20+ each faction had in 8th and 9th then your sorely mistaken. Theyre similar sure but not even close to the same in practice, and yeah dumbass morale making guys flee a unit still means morale does somethingAlso 8th and possibly 9th literally had a list of every weapon in the codex printed at the back
>>98684773Anon you’re not helping with this example.
>>98684778Not when your post was retarted right off the bat no
>>9868479640k copied AoS with the fallback and rally thing?
>>98684797I think you have severe reading comprehension problems. Doesn't surprise me that you consider AoS something to strive for.
>>98684782nta but I equate kill team with straight sex40k is gay sexAos is trans on trans
>>98684456Anon, as a Fellhammer Siege-Host enjoyer, trust me when I say that the -1 to wound against greater strength isn't as big a deal as you think it is. I almost always lose my vehicles to melta and lethal hits, not lascannons.
>>98684777The poses and bitz are like nothing we've got before so.>copy pasted shit
>>98684253What are fights between characters going to look like? It kind of looks like they're going to sling like 5 S10 attacks at each other that's wild.
>>98684810Okay so you’re just a degenerate as well. Take it easy with the porn addiction, mkay?
>>98684810Old World/WHFB and pre-7th ed 40k are sex with Anne Hathaway
>>98684773The only thing I like out of this kit is the not!AK triangle-folder stock on the one lasgunGive me more of those on everything
>>98684814>Single upgrade sprue for a kit from 2013.
>>98684797>Also 8th and possibly 9th literally had a list of every weapon in the codex printed at the backThat's not what I'm talking about my dude. This is.
>>98684798Are you blind? Please show me where else in the history of GW have we had dudes like that and a little satellite dish gizmo. If it's copy+paste this should be easy.>copy>pasted>shit
>>98684822Nah it’s just pattern recognition from my LGS
>>9868480940k and AOS really play nothing alike, on a surface they share similarities but they are radically different games
>>98684845Correct. 40k hasn't had a decent rule set since 6th edition whereas AoS is actually enjoyable to play.
>>98684845You're straight up inventing new sentences that I've never posted.
>>98684834Wrong again. That drone was available from an upgrade sprue in 2013? Grenade lobbing arm? Alternate FW helmets and shit?>copy pasta shitI could keep going. KT has been knocking it out of the park with bangers.
>>98684835Thats kind of just a list of ork weapons and various war gear which again 8th had a list of all the guns+cybork bodies and KFFit just excluded the flavor text but it literally gave you all the rules for every gun and optional piece of war gear on 1 page exactly like that does
>>98683854I like your Banshee :DAre you doing an Iyanden army too or just cohencidence? Working on my Banshees right now. Trying to decide on the final color scheme.
>>98684834Honestly that's not too bad, I think it'd be really cool to get a bunch of alternate arms, heads, and weapons for an existing kit like skitarii.
>>98684860This is 4 pages of upgrades and wargear for characters and units which has nothing to do with modular weapons. I don't know what the fuck you're trying to achieve here.
>>98684836Anon…just stop. This is getting sad. They have the same trim as the Elysians and I really do wonder where they could have gotten power packs with tactical rocks from. Oooh wow they have a token too. >>98684854Again just stop with the reaching…the mandrakes being monopose is a sin as well and I still use alternative proxies for them. Posings are retarded.
>>98684853Dude i'm just trying to tell you that if 40k actually copied AOS then it really would be a different game because they did not copy most of what AOS did like multi turn or 3" melee with melee weapons having ranges, they also never heroic actions either
>>98684840You have orgies at your LGS?
>>98684874I'm still waiting for you to show me where they copied from to paste. Are you going to tell me there were hand crossbows in 40K before?
>>98684883No but all the gay 40K guys doIn their own private abodes
>>98684874Trying way too hard esl
>>98684869I don't know what the fuck your talking about man but the 8th codexes had weapon lists that certain units and characters could take shit from toounless your talking about the shrinking amount of options in which case I'll tell you that AOS has no options for units at all outside of swapping a sword for a spear and that's on a unit by unit basis whereas 40k still let you swap wargear with anything from these lists
>>98684901Not that anon but there used to be, it was a special weapon you could get on an inquisitor way back when. I think those sculpts are neat too.
>>98684883you don't?
>>98684864Yes when I'm not distracted by games, work, etc. Here's my first Dire Avenger from way earlier this year. I like keeping them as is to observe my progression whenever I paint.
>>98684901The inquisitors?
>>98684720You're on here too huh?
You would think there’d be games galore posted here the way people talk but the nogames crickets are deafening
>>98684875How the fuck do you go from>every bad design philosophy in modern 40k comes directly from AoSto>AoS and 40k are literally the same game and share every single mechanic
>>98684918Iyanden GODS itt. Keep up the good work anon, improvement little by little.
>>98684909>>98684919>one niche inquisitor modelWew lads we flew too close to the sun.
>>98684907Every single codex would have an armoury of wargear, NOT JUST WEAPONS, before 8th. In 8th they removed the armoury but weapons were still modular until 10th. These are two separate and completely different systems and the removal of both comes from copying AoS.
>>98684932Here's an AoS game I playedTaking a break from 40k because the rules are dogshit and don't look like theyre gonna get any better soon
>>98684941It also had special rules against psykers, pretty cool to see more of it, don't you think?
>>98684941>Asks question >Gets answer Hrrrrrrr
>>98684935because the design philosophy is different and they didn't copy the gameplay mechanics because command abilities act nothing like stratagems and do extremely different things within the context of the game. Outside of using a resource for a buff which has been present in 100s of boardgames and card games before either AOS or 40k they aren't the same.
>>98684942Maybe we lost them just because the 40k writers are incompetent. Rather than this narrative of them copying a whole other game.
Is 3x2mm big enough for magnetising bases?
>>98684942But they had those in 8th and 9th too? Orks had kustom jobs and you had lots of other things like that in the expansion books during that time.
>>98684954You don't need to be competent to keep copying old editions.
>>98684944Was wondering why your army seemed relatively small until I noticed the two grey bloodthirsters on the left kekGet to painting those but otherwise pretty cool army anon
>>98684946It is, I'm sure glad of KT to bring niche shit back, like how arbites wouldn't exist in plastic if not for KT. I sure wouldn't want to besmirch their work by generalising it all as generic and copy pasted. It sure is nice to have nice bespoke squads of things and particularly units we wouldn't get otherwise.>>98684948Hm? We're just having a chill discussion.
>>98684969Only issue is that they have such limited releases but I guess that's just their cadence, I want another team for my army for more neat stuff.
>>98684969yeah im so glad world eaters got a second kit of buff fucking retards that are out of place and are redundant within my army. Im so glad kill team wasted their time on that.
>>98684938I just like the color yellow. If I was doing my first ever Space Marine army, they'd be either Imperial Fists or Marines Malevolent. If I was doing Tyranids, they'd be Hive Fleet Jormungandr. I bought the World Eaters Combat Patrol and wanna paint them with the color of honey but idk how to do that.
>>98684976Actually that really sucks, I wish you guys got something way more flavourful or just plain unique.
>Watching video of a guy describing his matches with Grey Knights with memes>Chaos Space Marine player avoided his Eversor Assassin guarding a bunch of secondary objectivesCan I get a QRD why?https://youtu.be/tgn56rB--ag?is=K09IU3kkA_9QaG3-
>>98684976>play the buff retard army>waaahh we got another box of buff retardsI mean, Khorne has always been one note. I feel for you a little but you had to expect this going in.
>>98685001NTA but the issue is that GW is not releasing cool models for World Eaters. Meanwhile Khorne in AoS gets a bunch of cool units
>>98684720Peak
>>98685020Yeah that's why I said I feel for you a bit. I myself was a TzeentchGOD but don't know if I can still say I like them with the direction they took. Anything done with Tzeentch after Storm of Chaos was just goofy shit, bring back the actual body horror and "constantly in flux" look FFS. That said, as an outsider I like jakhals as khornate specific cultists, the models look good to me. Are the rules really no good?>AoS KhorneI fucking love slaughterpriests, just cool imposing dudes. Also the big belly dude with the whip, I feel like they constantly forget you don't have to be shredded to be strong.
>>98685042Thove version of pink horrors are so fucking good. Who's that little birb? He cute
>>986849939 attacks with sustained hits 3, precision, anti-infantry 3+, -2, dmg2 is some scary shit. It can move 15", advance and charge as well so that's a 33" of threat range.
>>98685050>pink horrorsBack then those were just horrors, and you painted them blue/pink. There was no brimstone, also. Getting a hold of those minis today is an exercise in pain and frustration, unfortunately for me because I just want a batch of 'em.>birbIt's an old sorcerer, they were just like that. I didn't have that one but I have this guy, who is not only birb but has birb staff and mini melty birb, avianmaxxing. I'd love to see 40K sorcs with full blown mutations like this but 50K never seemed to have the same whimsy
>>98685065I have this guy too, great wizard.
the issue is that a vast majority of 40k players do not give a fuck about anything other than 40knot AoS, not 30k, not WHFB, not even a game set in 40k like necromundaremember the box game that came with the new ork buggies? nobody fucking played it as they bought the box for the models and never touched the game, i've seen more games of gaslands using that mat than what it was designed forKill Team is only continuing on because 40k players buy the teams for 40k, and will only play KT once in a blue moon because the kit already comes with the tokens and cardswe'll never get battlefleet gothic back because of this, because 40k players have no interest30k players do, afterall theres a large crossover there with 30k players and LIgma/titanicus players, so we'll plibably get 30k BFG
>>98685119>so we'll plibably get 30k BFGUnironically horrible news for me specifically
Reivers terror -1 OC aura now only effects models within 3", not units. They were almost good this edition, I swear.
>>98685119You wonder why gw even bothers?
>>98685149>have a unit thats not really piled in right>their ability is uselesslol this fucking company
>>98685119There was a period of time where GW was releasing specialist games and running them for an edition (or even half an edition) before killing them off. I was frustrated with them for doing this, but I mean I get it when people just won't stray from their main game. It's like all the brainlets I see online complaining about this or that in DnD, but they never once consider there are other RPGs out there that may not do the thing they don't like
>>98684956depends on their strength, I'm using 6x2mm and it's barely enough for 32mm bases. But they're some no name stuff, probably N35 something. Something stronger might work.
I genuinely love the wraithknight so much I'm considering changing my priorities and building an eldar army before my marines...
>>98685151GW made its bed and I don't think they've realised how much of an issue it's going to be in the futurethey're slowly being pidgeonholed into becoming the 40k companyI bet a solid chunk of the company operates at a loss but its subsidized with 40k money
>>98685176Thats what GW has ALWAYS been ever since 40k was created
>>98685183when WHFB was floundering because they never updated it, surebut now you'd think every game holds its weight in sales but I think it's still the same as what it was
just saw the leaked gear for WoW Forever and I think I will actually be finishing my 40k army this year
>>98685188>WoW has shit looking gearMore at 7. What you working on models wise, anon?
What is in-universe third oldest army? (My understanding the most ancient ones are Eldar and Necrons.)
>>98685192wow used to have awesome looking gearworking on some shining spears and old world stuff
>>98685196orks
>>98685196Necrons by a lot
>>98685208It always looked cartoony and goofy af to me, and not in a good way like 40K. Even the pic you posted is only saved by a darker colour palette and lighting but I'm sure it didn't look like that ingame. The proportions are still stupid, ginormous pauldrons and shit look okay on SM but terrible on regular humanoids>shining spearsYou alright, don't come to the LGS tomorrow
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>>98684929I don't understand >>98685025Thanks anon
>>98684375AOS exists so you're wrong
>>98683984>tfw I didn't buy the overpriced modelthank you jesus
