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>>98685223We will fight in the Necron tomb worlds.
I have built a lot of boyz this past week. What have you gotten done?
Anyone else have nice examples of old terrain and how it's made?
>>98685236What value can 500 points of deathwatch bring to a list that can't be covered by 500 points of whatever else?And what would 500 points even net you at this point?And why does every DW kill team have to have all its dudes be first or second founding twits? Why can't there be cursed founding mfs in the mix?
>>98685253>Why can't there be cursed founding mfs in the mix?YOU have control of what YOU paint!
>>98684253>units still have strike and sweep profileswhy? wasn't the whole point of the 'Cleave' keyword that they wouldn't have those anymore? didn't they remove the multiple melee attack types from the Ork codex?
Can we train a fly to play 11th edition 40k
>>98685269Would it kill James to paint ONE fucking Hawk Lord?
>>98685275Would it kill you? Why do you need James to hold your hand?
>>98685273No it'd sooner commit suicide
>>98685271Well now they just put cleave on the sweep profile and call it a day.
>>98685280you're the reason people pay ninety dollars for a squad of ten guys
>>98685293Your bitch made cuck attitude is the reason people can't imagine to paint anything besides the boxart, at least make SOME sense with your comeback you retarded baby. Do you also need James to put in your pacifier?
>>98685273fly brains are too simplistic for it that’s why it was so “easy” to map it out. once we get a chimpanzee brain mapped out we can start thinking about him running a 2K marine army.
>>98685299But apparently you need everyone to think you've got squat to say.
>>98684024You know I'm getting the sense that horde armies are going to be raped in the ass when this codex drops since Blast 2 and cleave is fucking everywhere inside of it
>>98685307Your drivel amounts to whining that James won't paint a model how you want. All I said was common sense, nothing stops you from painting a cursed founding DW guy, nothing stops you from doing something James won't. Unfortunately your brain is simpler than the fly the other anons are talking about on here and can't imagine what it's like to do your own thing
>>98685293Your argument makes no sense when you're the one crying about daddy James not including niche chapters in their official paint schemes. Just take a blank shoulderpad and paint whatever you like
Next week I am going to paint a space marine.
>>98685326I don't believe you
I like orks :D
>>98685326You ain't painting shit, fat boy
>>98685313And sadly you can't seem to think past your fingertip. But why waste time on a fool.
>>98685253Deathwatch Squads do output a slightly absurd amount of shooting, which you can buff with Guilliman because they didn't chapter-lock his reroll aura.
But do orks like you?
>>98685331What's the appeal of orks? Never been my favs personally
>>98685329>>98685334You just watch, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna prove all you haters wrong!
>>98685338I have the dakka
Btw does anyone have experience painting with a majority-white paint scheme? Is it as bad as everyone says? Is it as bad as yellow? Lol
>>98685339They just wanna have fun, maggle
>>98685337>reroll aura.hello 8/9th. It's horrible to see you again.
>>98685340I bet you're gonna paint it RED. Only LOSERS paint models RED
Trouble deciding on this Iyanden banshee color scheme. The dark blue will be highlighted much lighter and the yellows and Wraithbone will be a more saturated and warmer, eventually. Under armour will be black, leather will be dark brown/black. Swords probably a classic teal/cyan. Also Ty to the anon who recommended the Vallejo European mud for basing, looks good, but it was out of stock at the lgs...
Nth for kill team and starcraft are funKeep an open mind 40kbros we all constantly talk about how shit this game is already so
>>98685347Unironically woke mindset, or whatever the kids say these days
I haven’t played 40k in a long time. Is it truly not playable unless you have a fucking phone app now? follow up question: isn’t that some faggot shit?
>>98685359You DARE?
>wolves Dangles Templars and friends are going to have their rules on the appwhat if I don't want to stare at my phone while playing a tabletop game?
>>98685363Yes and no. The codex doesn't have some important information included in it for playing games anymore, specifically, point values and Detachment point values (basically the current version of Force Org). This information is in the app. However, it's also available for free on the Warhammer Community website, so having the app is not mandatory for playing games, just more convenient.
>>98685363you won't have all of the rules if you don't use the appyou won't have the map layouts if you don't use the appyou won't have the point costs if you don't use the app
>>98685367YES
Just use the fucking app. You already use apps for your toothbrush and your favourite fash food joint. What's one more app on your 500gb phone?
>>98685363Things get FAQ'd and errata'd so frequently and extensively nowadays you have to.
>>98685380No, intern of Games Workshop.Not everything has to be connected to the internet. I don't want to use your app.
>>98685380What's fash food? Does it taste like boot leather and corpse starch?
>>98685381This is some monkey paw shit for all the years of us asking GW to just go to digital rules. They kind of only half did it and really badly organized while also putting it behind 25 seperate pay walls.
>>98685394More marinara sauce than anything, really
>>98685401Hell even in kill teams my team is practically different with some models having entirely different abilities from what the book has.
>>98685363You don't need shit from GW. You can Newrecruit.eu to make your lists, it'll show everything. Here's my current list that I'm running.https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/4r7njFor rules and datasheets, you can just use wahapedia.ru. It has the core rules in a much accessible way.During the game to keep your scores and terrain layouts, tabletop battles is a pretty good phone app.
>>98685415I second everything anon here says, I also use these things
>>98685339there’s lots of reasons, but the main one for me is they just have an insane amount of freedom for what you can have them be, and this comes from tone, gimmicks, and power scaling.for the tone, there’s a sliding scale for how serious or silly they can be, so you’re completely allowed to have them be soulless 6’4 rape apes that mercilessly butcher everyone and love to torture any survivors, or you can have be goofy little guys getting up to looney toons tier hijinks, or you can have a little in between where they’re serious and murderous, but just a little slow and like to have fun a lot which adds to their humor.then there’s the klans which give you a lot of gimmicks to choose from like barbarian hordes, dreadmobs, pirates, cyborgs, ect.there’s another set of gimmicks for blood axes who like to larp as other militaries which is cool, and its another sliding scale between how well they perform at larping. it can be just giving them makeshift medals and titles, and calling it a day, or it can be outright military organization and ranks with proper uniforms. finally there’s powerscaling where you’re able to justify them in any warzone. a big problem for some armies is that sometimes it doesn’t make sense for certain matchups or them to be in a certain place. GSC, Imperial Agents, Custodes, and even Marines come to mind for this. this isn’t really a problem for orks because they’re fucking everywhere, and they also are on yet another sliding scale where their depiction could be either jobber hordes that suffer insane causalities frequently even by a simple company of guardsmen, or outright able to go toe-to-toe with a company of space marines.
>>98685415War Organ is better because it has all the strats for free
>>98685369>so having the app is not mandatory for playing games, just more convenient.I guarantee you that it will become mandatory in the next few years and the options of right now are just GW slow boiling the frog
>>98685338probably not, even if they knew I liked them, they’d just find it mildly funny I liked them, and then they’d either enslave me and have me work in horrific conditions without basic necessities met, or just kill and eat me right there and then.
Does anyone in here have the Ork Codex? I'm wondering just how true it is that it's taken the old approach and fleshed out a larger chunk of the book to be for lore again.
The only thing that can get me into orks are digganobs and a full grot expansion.
>>98685444You WILL play gloomspite gits
>>98685435It'll never be mandatory, people will always make third party sites and shit that give you the information you need outside of the app you doomer shmuck
>>98685437afaik they don’t have that shit sealed, so you can just go into your LGS and flip through it.either way, I’ll 100% get one this weekend, so I can let you know if no one else answers :)
Who makes the orks' trousers and out of what?
>>98685450>implying that the hyper litigious GW wouldn't start striking things down as soon as they realized that it interferes with their monitization
>>98685455Orks ofc, who else? And fungus.
I want a plastic Squiggoth. I want a plastic Mega Dread. I want a plastic Grot Mega Tank and Grot Tanks.
>>98685455grots make them out of the finest squig skin of course
>>98685421Wow you've really thought this out haven't you? It's nice to see someone so passionate about their faction
>>98685455>who makes orks’ trousers? grots>out of whatlooted clothes they rip off dead ‘umies or leather made from skin off dead ‘umies
>>98685458>newrecruit, wahapedia still going strongThat's enough out of you, doomer-kun
>>98685464Sorry, GW needs to make more fucking gargants for smegmar. Please understand.
>>98685464That's be an arm a leg and three of your kidneys.
>>98685464I want a cute girlfriend.
>>98685455Grots. From squig skin.
>>98685472>talking about future events>erm but at this exact second it isn't happening so deboonkedyou really got me there have some reddit gold for that epic takedown
>>98685481Cute girlfriends are overrated. Plastic grot tanks are definitely not.
>>98685342Do you own an airbrush and a 10/0 hairbrush to block in colors around the white parts? If yes, it's not that bad.
>>98685483>nooo you dun understand we HAVE to freak out about this thing that possibly may happen in the future despite having no past precedent!>freak out freak you must FREAK OUT WITH ME!?Won't, shan't even. I have a coworker like you and he's miserable. Lighten the fuck up and stop doomposting.
>>98685342Conventional wisdom says to just spray prime off-white, highlight with pure white and recess wash using a panel liner.Avoid brush painting white at all costs.
>>98685453Thanks anon, I will check in next week. :D
>>98685491I do not have an airbrush... I might have one once I get around to painting white thoughWould it be a terrible idea to prime black so that the first white coat is a little darker, allowing me to highlight it?
Best way to cut out the big pegs under push fit bases so I can stick a magnet in?
>>98685493>pointing out the blatantly obvious path things will go down>freaking out
>>98685339Insane freedom of expression in the lore and tabletop, they're just the perfect bad guy enemyThey have every conceivable unit type, from giant green tide hordes to knockoff assault marines and terminators, they have tanks, planes, helicopters, bikes and buggies, psykers, mounted cavalry, solid snake larpers, fucking space piratesThe army has basically endless ways to play it and model
>>98685536>point out how these sorts of tools haven't been taken down by GW in the past>noo I-I'm not freaking out about the worst case scenario!?Also>blatantly obviousLmao, you either need to get a handle on your crippling anxiety or you're a shitposter.
>>98685562We literally just got off the back end of GW slow boiling people with primaris. Acting like them slow boiling people again is some crazy doomer opinion is just silly. Also for your talk of freaking out you sound way madder than me.
>>98685530Bro your nippers? Don't tell me you fell for the god hand meme.
what should I name my tau commander?(in the middle)
>>98685591Bob
>>98685363I started using the app but you dont need it>wahapedia for rules>mfm for points>gdmissions for primary and secondary missionsAnd you can google map layouts for each mission. No reason to pay any money
>>98685591Michael Hunt
lub me gundams>>98685591very cool crisis commander anon
>>98685527I'd avoid pure white except for select final highlighting. It has bad coverage compared to any mixture and makes fixing mistakes much harder. Pick a dark grey or a greyish color of your choice as your basecoat, then spray a couple lighter colors from increasingly vertical angle. Recess shade the armor and paint whatever highlights you want with the lightest color you sprayed, which should be an off white. Then push a couple select highlights up with pure white on the helmet for example.
>>98685610forgot image ;w;
>>98685591You don't name your minis until they've done something worthy on the tabletop. When he gets the killing blow in melee on a daemon prince, then you can name him.
>>98685591Commander Stone Soul
>>98685586The point is that these sorts of third party sites/tools have existed for ages now and they always find some legal safe zone to operate in where whatever games company can't touch them. No matter if (and it is still an if, no matter how "inevitable" you doompost about it being) GW tries to crack down on them in the future, third party list builders and shit will persevere. It's also just a future problem so not worth getting your knickers in a knot over now.
>>98685618How can you expect a mini to perform well if it doesn't have a name, Anon. Good god do you expect babies to earn glory with their drool?
>>98685591Akord
>>98685624We'll have to see
>>98685591I'd say dirty harry but he didn't dual wield guns.
>>98685611Increasingly vertical angles huh? Presumably to show off lighting
>>98685591Shu'vit.Also give him a skateboard.
>>98685629Many cultures have traditions where babies are not named for months or even longer after birth.
>>98685636>I have a coworker like you and he's miserableYes John. Whatever you say. Can I get back to work now after you bitched for 20mins about a possible worst case future scenario that may not even happen? Thanks John...
>>98685663>still whinging about your coworkergod you are probably a miserable fuck to be around yourself
>>98685591Commander shadowleap
>>98685671>missing the pointYou are being that coworker lmao, though if you keep trying to drag out this argument I'm leaning more towards you just being a shitposter. Nut up and shut up, doom and gloomer.
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>>98685629My minis have no name....just a number...yes anon, only when they have gone through hell and come back with a Space Wolf's blood head on their base do they become more than a number.
>>98685648Yeah, you have an airbrush so might as well take advantage of it and get some sweet shading. The darker your basecoat the more the angles and colors matter, so if you're starting very dark you probably want to spray the highlights from lower angles otherwise the armor might not read white.Please don't just go with a greyscale for the paints too, that's so boring. You can go surprisingly dark and colorful with the basecoat and recess shade and still have the armor read white as long as the upward facing surfaces are sufficiently bright. Play around with a squad of models to figure out a recipe you like that's yours.
>>98685690It's less that I'm missing the point and more that I find it funny that you keep bitching about your coworker while simultaneously calling other people miserable
>>98685661You don't live in one of those.Bitch.
>>98684929 I don't understand>>98685025 Thanks anon>>98685237Finished one retro marine and started another
>>98685693>My minis have no name....just a number...yes anonThis is the correct mentality when one is making his dudes.Are the Mrodians based off Prussians without the picklehaube?
>>98685711If you've never had a time wasting, energy vampire coworker than be grateful, but they deserve all the bitching. Almost as bad as the average MtG or Space Wolves player. Anyway you're now twisting this to something offtopic so I'm going to drop it here, chin up chuddy
>>98685762>Anyway you're now twisting this to something offtopic so I'm going to drop it here, chin up chuddyYou're the one who started seething and bringing it up on your own.
>>98685433War organ is kill
>>98685591Commander Swiftstrike.
>>98685761 Prussians and apparently historical US Marines. To quote a fictional french bastard ,"If I'm going to die I may aswell die well dressed.".
>thought Calgar swinging as hard as a Primarch was crazy, but at least it’s only one kind of attack he can do>realize the profile has the Extra Attacks keyword so it’s actually a part of a melee combo he can do with his normal attacksDamn Calgar is a little busted
>>98685775more like Commander Obvious.
>>98685789The idea that Space Marines are anything but perfectly balanced is frankly absurd. You're really pissing me off, anon!
>>98685761>PrussiansYesI'll just ctrl-v my post from a few threads ago.Every time they're mentioned in a codex it's German stereotypes, WW1 Germany allegories or a PopHis understanding of the 19th century Prussian/German military.>The rule of the Tetrarchs was harsh, autocratic and above all absolute, a necessity due to planet's scarce and strictly-rationed resources (10th codex, WW1 Germany)>Iron Guard are named and renowned for their iron resolve and their dour and unforgiving natures (10th codex, German stereotype)>Training consists of endless repetition (10th codex, PopHis Prussia)>A Mordian Iron Guard regiment in battle is a solid wall of brightly-uniformed, perfectly-formed soldiers who cut through the enemy's ranks with precisely-timed volleys of fire behind a hedge of polished bayonets (5th codex, PopHis Prussia but I'd give it to most "martial tradition" stereotypes as well, even the British Army)>Besides their preference for infantry, the Mordians also are renowned for precise artillery (10th codex, WW1 Germany)Their old sculpts have Aquilas styled after Reichsadlers, and the old commanders' hats have Imperialis markings styled after the Totenkopf (which was used by Prussian soldiers since Frederick the Great and only fell out of favor after the SS used it).The inspirations are *very* one-note with the Mordians. Euros don't really think about the USMC unless in the context of WW2, especially back in the 80s/90s when the Mordians came about.
>>98685705Yeah ig I'll have to try this technique out. I've enjoyed using things like nagarroth night accents on blacks so I'll probably do something similar with the eldar... I'm thinking mainly white accented by royal blue and gold, so I have a few options there
>>98685796Aw shucks, pal. Is he grinding ya gears? This wise guy got another thing coming y'hear? Get 'im boys!
>>98685591>sunforge suitscommander starfire, paint it purple
You're fucking crazy hahaha
I'm actually excited to be able to splash some deathwatch into my crimson fists
>think Space Wolves sound cool>see retard constantly spamming insults at them ITT and projecting his furry bestiality fetish>read book with Space Wolves>they dress in wolf furs, they howl, they are named shit like "Bjorn Moonchaser", and they even turn into wolvesI was wrong, anon. I doubted you.
>>98685823>see retard constantly spamming insults at them ITT and projecting his furry bestiality fetishSo I mean SW always got universally mocked around the internet for the cringe shit you read, but it's worse in this general because we have a permabanned yiffs poster we're trying to piss off so he stays away.>retard>anon>singularLol, lmao
>>98685823Say whatever you want about Space Wolves but no assault cannon is ever gonna be cooler than one they used to have.
>>98685830I wrote that from the perspective I had before I learned the allegations were true from the source material itself.
>>98685823>>98685830Get a life losers, better yet paint your first models.
Imagine being a knight pilot and getting blown up because an ork headbutted your shin
>>98685840Permanent means permanent
Librarians are looking good. Bringing back psychic powers and everything!
>>98685836fair, its honestly pretty grim. I have no doubt they’d be really badass if they leaned more to the raiding viking angle rather than the dogfucking one.
>>98685836Ah I see, carry on then. If you're new to 40K, tau are the other universally mocked faction.>introduced to the setting as uncorruptable sweet babby race>best shooting on tabletop so they either sweep you at range or you get into melee and smash them>mechs sell well so GW focuses on that and churns out more, never beating the weeb allegationsAnd still to this day people argue about if tau are the "good guys" (they're not lmao, ethereals/Greater Good are just as dark as the rest of the setting)
Are there any digital emulators of the tabletop game so I can play it according to its accurate ruleset without spending money and painting?
>>98685850Literally TTS
>>98685847How come power levels never caught on?
>>98685840hey decalfag, welcome to the new thread. I’ll reply to you once just to remind you there’s not a single poster whether they be models or nomodels who actually likes you. this is why you frequently need to speak in the third person because no one else will speak up for you. everyone wishes you would leave and never come back.that is all.
>>98685854nobody wanted to reveal them
>>98685854What do you mean. We're still using power levels.
>>98685850https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKDjFwvLcck
>>98685855Don’t reply to me ever again and never stop taking your meds
>>98685849I think Sisters of Battle have some pretty cool aesthetics like their angel wings and the freaky heretic torture slave army. They seem like good guys on the surface but they end up being more sadistic freaks than most of the imperium factions.
>>98685840>decalfag shitting up thread>go to bed>wake up 8 hours later>tfw still shitting up the thread
>>98685869Notice you didn’t have a problem with the two fags who brought him up out of nowhere and insulted him without provocation…curious!
>>98685865SoB are kinky bitches fr>seem like good guysWhen they run about screaming about how holy fire will cleanse all and shit? Lmao ig, depends what you're into little freak
>him
>>98685847I would still have preferred the disciplines to come back, but I think they're in a decent state now. At least now psykers actually benefit from being psykers and have hazardous tests again, rather than simply being regular units with a keyword that can be anti-d
>>98685854Because nobody liked them compared to points which is why GW renamed power level points and brute forced everyone into using power levels
>>98685871>him
>>98685869>His feet are light and nimble. He never sleeps. He says that he will never die. He dances in light and in shadow and he is a great favorite. He never sleeps, the mutant. He is dancing, dancing. He says that he will never die.
>>98685878I miss orange and teal marines, I wish he would post against.
>>98685878>>98685887Nice deflection scumbags
>>98685871There is no one other than you who doesn't understand this.
>>98685865SoB started as metal album cover BDSM nuns, don't be surprised that that's what you get.The stereotypical religious fanaticism was added on afterwards to justify the BDSM nuns being included in the setting.You also don't have to play the tortured heretics if you don't want to, you can just play the album cover nuns; I don't and I do just fine against things that aren't skewed to fuck (although some Mortifiers would be very helpful at times).
>>98685897he knows, he just needs to save his ego by making someone else seem like they’re the problem. simply report and ignore.
>>98685900goddamn, what’s your problem?
>>98685900What?
>it's this song and dance againBOOOOORING
>>98685906oh right, I should have guessed.
>>98685898When was the religious fanatacism added? What ideology did they have before then?>>98685900>while he servedThe only thing the mutant serves is bbc though? He was certainly never enlisted.
If I'm playing mydude marines should I add an ultramarine/salamander/whitescar/imperialfist character to stay competitive?
>>98685911Oh ignore the second part of my post I thought that was about the plopper, not t&ofag. Teal's aight.
>>98685723>You don't live in one of those.My minis do.Respect their culture, bish.
>>98685913Ye dk impfistOr salamanderOr scar (lowtier)Not ultras
Imperial agents should get beastman and stormtrooper units. Also bring back jokaeros, and crusaders, and let them use predators and razorbacks (you wouldn't even have to upscale the models). Also they should get special servitor units with heavy weapons.
>>98685921What about ravens?
>>98685913Yeah. His rules are whatever character, but his name is Bob and he's from your chapter. People do it all the time, and I do it with marines and sob. pretty normal.I also have a couple characters painted up in another chapter's colors and just use their rules when I feel like it. Just be careful to not mix chapters when you do it that way since you can't include two divergent chapters at once in the same army. (for example my army is painted ultramarines but I have Caanok Var I use often).
Anyone got scans of the Dominatus campaign deck?
>>98685929Ravens are pretty basedDo either them or impfistSalamanders are cool but I see them alot
>>98685925> And adorable how magatrannies like you pretend to respect your vets unless they ever dare not suck your cock Holy shit, possibly the gayest statement of all time
>>98685943Uh oh magatranny melty
>Rhino is in without the Primaris restrictions to who it can carryI’d be surprised if they didn’t refresh it, the guy manning the turret on the Heresy Rhino is cool.
So what was the short version of why some people call decalfag a pedo?
>>98685940>After the visuals were laid outWrongTheir first appearance in rogue trader they were already religious zealots
>>98685898>>98685876I happen to enjoy metal album cover bdsm nuns that are kinky bitches.
quality thread
>>98685924YOU WILL GET NOTHING AND YOU WILL LIKE IT
>>98685898>>98685940>SoB started as metal album cover BDSM nuns"Started as" sort of implies they were introduced to the game that way but whatever. I get what you were trying to say now, I think it's just awkwardly worded and if you re-read your post you didn't actually clarify well.
>>98685943Still got nothing on>my favorite chapter is Space Wolves
>>98685958We happen to take thought crimes against drawings of nonexistent fictional very seriously here.
>>98685964Are you really so retarded you couldn't detect the sarcasm? Maybe they are right about you.
>>98685949He's missing the best part of the story>people tell him he doesn't belong>nuh-uhhh I have this commemorative coin!>thread collectively wtfs>he shows this >98685958>laughter all aroundI didn't expect him to post this worthless meme coin again lel, my sides
>>98685906hellblasters
i like orks ecks dee
>>98685958well unlike the haters i think your coin is neat
>>98685924It really is weird how inquisitorial storm troopers have been in the fluff for well over 20 years now yet not only did the inquisitor specific "army" not get them, they were stuck with an exclusively short range battleline.
>>98685957>didn't actually clarify well"Started as" implies their VERY FIRST presence, before they were even put to paper, when they were just an idea in the head of whichever author spit-balled it out to the others first. Not when they were introduced to the game as a playable faction. If that's what I meant, I'd have said it, such as in a phrase like "started in the tabletop as" to differentiate.The word "start" has a clear definition that *should* have expressed my intent well enough. Not trying to start an argument, are you ESL?
>>98685947WAIT REALLY?! CAN IT CARRY 12 OR JUST 7
>>98685984They're lying. It got axed. Buy hover tanks.
>>98685958being a Meguminfag makes me feel dirty because this fucking dog molester owns a silver Megu coin
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>deletedmods are gods.
>>98685925>>98685946Ummmmm, xir??? This is the traditional games board, not the "tear open your neovagina to the latest political boogeyman" board.
>>98685952This. They even have a fat bastard priest that takes advantage of them as a model
>>98685987I'm 99.999% sure he doesn't even know who it is. He just thinks that's a "4chan coin" and owning it makes him welcome here.>deleted
>>98685987If it makes you feel better, he probably imagines her getting fucked by dogs while he watches in the corner instead of imagining bending her over every piece of furniture in the vicinity like us proper MeguGODS. We and him are NOT the same.
You guys are overreacting. Decalfag should be allowed to post again, he actually has models unlike the people banning him..
>>98686007>he
Reminder to simply stay on topic and report off topic>>98685938I wish I saw more ravens and Imperial fists
>unlike the people banning himSee, this is exactly the shit that makes me think it's just a shitposter larping. I know the mutant is deluded af but there's NO way he still doesn't understand that the mods are completely separate to those who post itt
>>98686007Why you speak of yourself in 3rd person.
>>98685996I know who it is and it’s not even the one they freaked over the most, the holo wolf coin made them cream themselves and accuse me of all sorts of nefarious bull.
>>98685993Aww the magatranny is upset~
>>98686008>has
>>98686007granted, the mods (likely) are nomodels, but they’re banning him on behalf of this thread which is unanimous in wanting this retard to stay banned.
Idk what I missed I don't really careWhat can I do to prevent paint rubbing off while I'm trying to paint?
>>98686018How often are you blowing men eldarfag?
>>98686019leave it to dry for longer.
>>98686015No, I just don't care about politics. Unless it's the politics the Administratum bickering with the Inquisition and Mechanicus over where a box of lugnuts should be going.
>>98686019Don't paint over wet paint, don't touch wet paintHold the model by the base, let the paint dry before applying a new layer.
>>98685984Rhinobros rejoice.
>>98686019Stop touching wet paint. Let it dry, then leave it even longer then when you think it's dry.
>>98686021>>98686026>>98686028It's been 3 days since I've painted these and they're still rubbing off of I'm not careful Would rubber gloves help? I have a paint handle for the smaller guys but I've still got the wartrakk and dakkarig
>>98686017>no
>>98685990>>98685992
>>98686035I really hope we get a meta/joke theme for next collage because of these.
>>98686022exSCUSE ME DRUMPHOID???? DID YOU JUST ASK OUR PROUD AND NOBLE POC XISTER TO NOT TALK ABOUT XER POLITICSwooooooower, dont you know thatss like totally opressing minorities because everything is acually policicalthis is just like my favorite audiobook the handjobs tale
>>98686035Permanently limited, foreverial deleted and loving it
>>98686031did you prime your models?
I know everyone memes on the HH novels for how good and shit they can be, but I have to ask for those who have read them, are the 10 Siege of Terra books good?
>>98686042Yeah, although I think what did wrong was get it too smooth if that makes sense
>>98686043I dunno ask /hhg/
>>98686019painting handle, wear a glove
>>98686043Give it a rest, you're NEVER going to get any quality discussion of the novels here. /40kg/ despises the novels and thinks they are all (or most) shit.
>>98686044what paint are you priming with?
>>98686051Army painter Matt black
>>98686050>defending the HH novels
>>98686027>rhinos are fucking tight in the edition that removes tactical squadsF
>>98686061Who are you quoting?
>>98686058And for the record idk why my phone keeps making portrait photos sideways
>>98686031Did you prime? If not, the paint isn't adhering very well because of the lack of surface area from the primer. If you didn't prime enough, same thing. If you put too much on, it'll chip off in the other extreme because primer doesn't bond to itself very well.Otherwise, go buy a matte clearcoat varnish and use that on the models after painting. You can find ones specifically made for models like this that are purpose-built for this so you don't have to settle for rattlecan ones you'd find at hardware stores.Acrylic resins (that acrylic paint are made with) are very fragile on their own, the varnish gives a protective layer.
>>98686062even if they were still around, tacticals are the last thing people would put in rhinos
No one has ever read the HH novels. not a single 4chan poster and certainly not lore jewtubers. there's no proof they even exist. It could all just be copy pasted text like that Loud House fanfic that is 100 times longer than all of Tolkien's texts combined
>>98686063Don't know actually, ask /hhg/
>>98685773>>98685433>Developer update: War Organ is currently unavailable following a complaint from Games Workshop about rules content previously accessed by the app. I may look into producing a more generic build that contains no game data or links to it, and instead allows users to create or load their own datasets. Sorry if I haven’t replied to your email individually; there have simply been too many. Thank you to everyone who has supported the app, reported issues, and suggested features and improvements over the years.it was the only good free list builder
speaking of horus thowhat is stopping me from buying a tactical squad or two of 30k marines and running them in normal 40k as legendary proxies
>>98686074New recruit is way better are you retarded
>>98686076Nothing feel free to buy the worst version of firstborn available
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98686076Because faggots that bring the Lion or Guilliman to casual games will complain about you using Legends units.
>>98686043Are those the more recent ones?I’ve read the original few and some of the other ones that are relevant to chapters that I like, but I haven’t read any of the more recent ones so I can’t give you an opinion on those
>>98686081They're not even legends larper-kun
How much techno heresy can a chapter get away with for their beloved geriatrics? Armiger knight weapons would fit on a Redemptor pretty well.
>>98686078>free list builder>have to pay for strats>implyingwar organ shits all over newrecruit
>>98686027I don't care for the model at all really I just value the ability to carry my assault intercessor brick up the board in time to actually get stuck in, without spending 200 points to do it
>>98686090Since they're legendary proxies you'll still get spergs that don't want you to use them.
>>98686043
why exactly does legends matter if im playing casual games
>>98686097Larp larp larp
>>98686102Do what you want.
>>98686087Yeah, it's the series specifically about the end of the heresy, the siege of terra itself up to when emps gets sat on the golden throne.
>>98686102retards will complain about it and having to deal with it will exhaust you and make you not want to have to deal with it.
>>98686078>>98686094https://ironbuilt.app/This is a new list builder and is free. Just came out but I like it so far.
>>98686092I doubt other imperium tech would be heresy in lore and on tabletop it's not reallt any different from anh other weird kitbash so why ask
>>98686092Dreadnoughts are little understood technology so they wouldn't fuck around with them for risk of rendering the dreadnought unusable. Even Cawl's big bots are pieces of junk that ultimately kill the pilot.
>>98686103I'm not even the original lion complainer anon, I'm just explaining that these spergs do exist and will be the inyes that chuck a hissy fit.They may be rare, but they still exist.
>>98686058Shake the everliving fuck out of it and try again.>>98686065Because that's their true orientation. When your camera takes a picture it stores metadata about how you took it, including orientation, so it'll know to rotate photos you've taken sideways right-way-up when displaying them. But 4chan strips all metadata from uploaded images and displays them they way they really are.
Is this a good starter pack?
>>98686140Yep.
>>98686121I just like Dreads and wish they had more options.>>98686122Yeah but it's not like changing a weapon mounting is fucking with the life support or anything, and they're fairly similar in size so power draw isn't much of an issue.
>>98686118not too shabby, but I'm not a big fan of dropdowns for individual model weapon options though
>>98686155Yeah, they definitely need to fix that, but so far few complaints.
>>98686145>they're fairly similar in size so power draw isn't much of an issue.I never got why weapons that clearly had their own power supply were always so restricted. If Dark Angels could slap a plasma cannon on a terminator how hard could a multi melta be? Anyway the answer is that Yes chapters could do stuff like that. It would be on an individual basis and probably at the veteran's own request as no techmarine would fuck with a holy dreadnought as if it were a project car.
>>98686145The imperium often flat out doesnt understand what they're really working with so 'just changing' the weapon mounts if you don't fully understand what happens when you do that isn't very smart.That said, do whatever you think is cool. I think the 'naught you posted doesn't fit the aesthics of the imperium, though.
>>98686167It looks a liiiiiittle bit like a tau but not too much imo>>98686145>I just like Dreads and wish they had more optionsWell, GW probably isn't gonna give you anything but if you wanna kitbash more then do it, it's a creative hobby
>>98686145What kind of options would you want? The only thing I would like to have extra is a big ass flamer or melta option.
>>98686167The people who do the actual tinkering know how it works. It's not like stuff can't get made or changed.
>>98686145>Yeah but it's not like changing a weapon mounting is fucking with the life support or anything,One of the reasons it is so time consuming and costly to put a new missile on a modern fighter jet is that most of them run their software as one monolithic block of code. This means that if you fuck with any part of it, like adding in the stuff needed to recognise and work with a new Sidewinder variant for example, you have to re-validate all the flight control bits of it too.Now look at technology in the Imperium. The manual rotted away ten thousand years ago, the last guy who had an actual idea how shit works died eight thousand years ago, there might be a full general AI controlling a headlight and a rack of vacuum tubes running the target recognition software, there are actual machine spirits in stuff, chaos will happily invade if you happen to wire things up in the shape of a rune that's a different shape today than it was yesterday and everyone simply does what works with religious fervor because the by far most liekly outcome of anyone fucking around with anything is that the entire thing will break which is a bummer when everyone's continued survival hinges on it not breaking.So no, you don't just swap out guns, because neither the gun's circuitry nor the gun control circuitry is properly protected against the other side sending a few volts too many, you don't know what volts are, and the only guy who can repair either if a fuze pops is a hermit living fifty kiloparsecs away on a world no other human being has visited in the last four centuries.
Khornecels...
>>98686184But IRL it's because we're all a bunch of clowns laundering money and making backdoor deals and adopting lowest bidder products. And embezzling the leftover cash on hookers.
I am relieved the Imperium is devoid of corrupt officials and designers adding pointless money-sinks and useless bells and whistles to weapons for the sole purpose of increasing the cost so they can make more profit from their arms.
>>98686118Kind of a a pain to navigate.Doesn't seem to have any other game listbuilding.Unintuitive options. I couldn't just add all of the Plague Marine options without adding extra bolter marines first for it to replace. At least on new recruit I just add however many of each weapon I want and then adjust the bolters as needed. It'll denote an error if my rations are incorrect.PDF export options create documents with twice the pages and doesn't allow me to collapse identical units or rearrange them.I wouldn't bother with it as it exists today.
>>98686167At the same time there's thousands of variants of things due to ten thousand years of a million locations trying to keep stuff working or making small modifications for whatever reason. What we have in the game is but a fraction of the arsenal used by the Imperium. They used to put more emphasis this in the past, but these days GW is creatively bankrupt and can only have art and mentions of models they sell.
>>98686164Yeah I'd just want more chances for my dreads to seem unique instead of having two dudes with the same loadout looking identical.>>98686167Alright, try this one.>>98686184But that's not true because we know Dreads, even pre-Redemptors, often swapped out their loadouts depending on the mission. Space Marines were always meant to be versatile.
>>98686199It's hip to be square
>>98685223>TQCity tables < desert tables < desert city tables
>>98686140Honestly one of the best.All of those units are usable to excellent. And it gives you chaff, good infantry, elite anti tank, an anti marine vehicle, and a strong all around character to lead.
>>98686207
post ur favorite dreads, dosnt have to be yours
>>98686215
>>98686215this guy's spawned quite a few copies
>>98686215Xenos Dreadnoughts like this make me wonder if more xenos have them instead of head transplants, Deff Dreads with willing volunteers lined up rather than near-dead Orks too valuable to let die, body regeneration treatments, etc.
>>98686221Me unsure where to classify Eldar Wraithlords and similar Wraith stuff with dead Eldar crystals stuffed in. Those are ded people instead of near dead people.
>>98686215Mecha Shiva!
>>98686215How many points would this be?
>tfw there will never be a broke Dreadnought that says even in debt I still serve
>>98686202Dreadnoughts are cool. Maybe I'll add one into my marines list for antivehicle instead of the lancer, even though it's worse. I don't really love how the lancer looks, but then again the name lancer is pretty cool so...
>>98686235
>>98686245I'm nglHe's a big part of the reason I wanna get a knight lancer And paint it blue
>>98685342Yeah painting white is sort of a bitch, i would not suggest it unless you know what youre getting into already. Its really easy for it to look either too grimy (in a bad way) or too dusty. It can be done but you need to know how to drybrush well, how to do to a neat and tidy wash on your minis and how to edge highlight.
>>98686140Yes, all those units are good and you can build a strong army from them.
>>98686205
>>98686293Uuggghhhh SOVL
If we currently have war organ installed is there anyway that we could lose it? The 11th ed ork codex just got updated on it a day before they got hit with the bullshit from gw and since i just play orks (and gsc) i dont really want to lose it
>>98686293Man these boards look fuckin sick, dont think ill ever get the chance to play on one unless I make my own
What are the chances gw releases mkvii marines in the future? They're sitting in a weird space where they're too new for hh, yet too old for 40k.
>>98686311dunno, ask /hhg/
What is GWs obsession with the detection range rules this codex?What went on in their test games to think it's usable at all?Stop trying to make detection range relevant, it's never going to be. People have already solved the hidden rule and deemed it irrelevant.This is literally just not how the game is actually played Infiltrators basically are a unit with no ability rn.
There should be more ways to intentionally cause deadly demise.Like, certain weapons should have the rule that if a model is destroyed due to damage caused by it, it automatically explodes if able.
>>98686254I imagine it is very unforgiving if you paint too thick as well. Yet I love the idea so much I doubt that will discourage me
>>98686321I think one of the baneblades does that, or at least makes it more likely
>>98686311Latest fluff has mk7 deployed during the siege of Terra, so a HH kit is still a possibility.
>>98686318It's the battleshock of this edition. They will move away from it once they realize it's underbaked.I think the main cause of the irrelevancy is the terrain layouts, there just aren't that many long firing lanes.
>>98686335>>98686318I don't think I've played a single game yet where myself or my opponent have even brought up detection range, It seems like it's just completely ignored for the most part outside of units with specific rules around it.
>>98686314They told me to go to /40kg/
So I finally got around to reading the new codex. Taking free strats off of captains hurts, but I realized this is good for me specifically since at-will advance and charge gives me so much flexibility with my sang guard and there even might be cases where the fall back and charge really helps me out by allowing me to abuse lance
>>98686092The Blood Angels basically get no support from the Admech outside of the bare minimum because of the Baal Predator and Librarian Dreanought, plus all of their custom artificer armor. Basically everyone but the Admech helped with Leviathan attacking Baal, they won’t stick their necks out for you if you stray too far from their path.
>>98686348Maybe you misread /40krpg/?
>>98686329If they progress the setting to the Scouring there’s no way they leave it on the table. Saturine Pattern armor making it into the game shows they’re aren’t afraid of introducing armor patterns that saw little action in the Heresy.
>>98686228I love the stormhawk cockpit so much
>passed out at like 8pm>wake up at 2am>too late to get up and paint but I also can't sleepfuck
>>98686102Everyone says that but pretty much nobody plays with legends units. Now that they're in the app that might change.
>have imperial knights and space marines armies>start building new thousand sons army and get 3/4 of current log painted>friend asks me to build and paint armageddon for him>wasn't to hyped with box at launch>really like the orks as i build them>marine half has me tempted to get it just to add to my current marines>find dawn of war box on target's website and snag 1 for me and 1 for friend>now have models I didn't need and am tempted to start them as a new marine chapterI promised myself I'd be saving and investing over the next year.
>>98686387Cock pit? Fruity nigga
>>98686358>librarian now does exactly what he already did + makes charges more consistent >assault intercessors datasheet sbility now big buffs them off a charge Hoooooly feels good bros. Sad that regular intercessors lost sticky objective but yk it is what it is
>>98686409My guyYou absolutely saved money because all the minis in that box are the same mold as the honored of the chapter box that goes for 170$
>>98686427Just stick an Ancient with them if you want that old school feels good sticky.
>>98686226>Me I know what you are
I'm confused about how the new aggressor boltstorm/fragstorm loadout works outside of close quarters/pistol range.rules as written you pick between:>Close quarters>Any other type (meaning either "regular" or "snap")If you picked the former you get to use guns with close quarters keywordIf the latter, you have to pick ONE OF either close quarters or all other gunsThe way everyone has always interpreted the pistol/close-quarters rule is that you EITHER use pistol profiles OR all non-pistol profiles. You can't shoot both. So if a unit has any weapon besides pistols, you'd always use that.You'd only ever use pistols if that's the only ranged weapon a unit has (bladeguard etc.) since it doesn't disable any other option, or if a unit got into melee range in which case they can use only the pistol/close quarter profile.But if you follow that interpretation boltstorm becomes absolute ass since it would mean you can't use both the gun and grenade components of the loadout since one of them has close-quarters and just like the pistol rule, you'd have to choose to either use it or the non pistol component.The more generous ways to interpret the rule would be that you get to pick if you want to use close quarters shooting or not, but that's not how it worked in any game i've ever played in 10th ed. Not in lgs' nor in gw events.And they have been explicit that close quarters in 11th is intended to be identical to pistol rules in 10th in all respects.
>>98686546Small indie company with no playtesters, please understand.
Has converting and/or painting a model to look more or less eye-catching than usual ever worked out or backfired for you, in a way that the changes impaired your opponent's decisions?
>>98686228This thing is about to turn into a Titan.
>>98686226I don't know who you are but I assume you're the destinyfag.
The Phobos detachments involve selecting a "hidden PHOBOS unit" for abilities, but the hidden rule operates by model and I don't see anything in the core pdf that would determine whether the unit is hidden. Does every model need to be hidden, or would one be enough?
YOUyes, youredesign the warlord titans datasheet so that it’s actually worth all of its pointsDo it now
>>98686102legends don't get updated or balanced and are left behind to rot as third class rulestaking them doesn't break the game, just like a kick in the balls doesn't break your balls but you still won't enjoy getting kicked in the balls
>>98686340I did have one game where my eliminators domed a character and then an hour later we realised they shouldn't have been able to see him. I still lost so nbd. It just doesn't come up often enough to be on my mind.
>>98686603No, titans are not supposed to be used in tabletop gaming. They're a hobby project for people who love titans.
>>98686611retard
>>98685342Don't paint with white would be my advice. You can get a great looking "white" scheme using paints like AK's warm grey (helmets) or intermediate blue (shoulders and stuff) and just doing a few highlights on top, never getting to actual white (which should be saved for bright lights anyway). White stuff in an environment isn't going to be pure white to the eye. Making it read as white is about contrast with the rest of your scheme.
They are yellow now
>>98686603I keep its datasheet exactly the same but give it feel no pain 3+
>>98686623looking shredded in their brand new jeans
>>98686628does denim still exist in the 41st millennium?
>>98686615He's right, the only use of titans in games should be as elaborate scenery/objectives whose interaction with the armies and other titans should be a matter of the scenario's narrative rules, rather than a statline that the players use to blast the thing turn one, or have it blast the other army turn one, with nothing in-between.Also because shit like superheavies, artilleries and flyers should be imagined as shooting at things outside of the table just as well if not more than as interacting with their most immediate surroundings.
>>98686632Surely part of orks genetic programming to make it.
>>98686635retard
>>98686637There's probably just a denimsquig that secretes the stuff like a silkworm.
>>98686615>>98686639retard
>>98686632Yes, but a great and evil force is causing their extinction, or rather, assimilation
>>98686641I was imagining a squig whose leather is naturally like that and they just kill the squig for it way funnier
>>98686660I knew what the pic had before clicking on it.
>>98686673I also thought about that too but thought a squig shitting out a perfectly formed pair of jean was a funnier mental image.
>>98686673What if the squig sheds it? not the whole skin, just a pair of pants every week or so
>>98686690>a grot has to snatch the jeans from the jeansquig right after shedding or it eats them>jeansquigs have huge mouths and can swallow a grot whole>they're also hangry after shedding, making this task extremely perilous It's perfect.
>Terminators>Jump Intercessors>Hellblasters>Eliminators>Incursors>Repulsor ExecutionerSimple as.
>>98686620The helmets look cream and the pauldrons look grey thoughbeit, you didn't go bright enough for them to actually read as white
>>98686730I wasn't actually trying to, it's just an image using the paints I mentioned that I had on hand. They're highlighted with AP ancient stone, not white in that scheme.
>>98686730>thoughbeitstfu
>Try finding a new gaming group through an LGS >my choices are:>Furries, Fat retards, REALLY fat retards, possible group of pedos and Trannies.Trying to find new friends when 30 is not ideal.
>>98686745Do people from categories other than those even play 40k?
>>98686745As a fat retard myself, I can vouch for the character of my people.
>>98686745I’d go with the fat retards personally
>>98686749yes, but not at the lgs
Got my first full 2k point game of 11th in today. Been playing 1k games exclusively before this. My CSM (recon) vs my buddy's Custodes (purge). Things went well for me first with a massive 25 point swing on my turn 2, but I made some absolutely massive errors in positioning and attack order for my fight phase that let him interrupt and basically completely wipe out my infantry between my fight phase and his subsequent turn. From there, even with my knight desecrator popping a vehicle and then some a turn, I just couldn't stop him from wiping me out and taking the entire board, so I ended up conceding on turn 4. Overall was a good game, valuable lessons learned, you'd think I'd stop charging into custodes but I'm a fucking retard.We also both made the critical error of choosing to use the smaller recommended game size tables at the LGS instead of the older 6x4 tables in the other room. The smaller boards are fucking terrible and I hate them.
>>98686769I hate playing custodes.And yeah. Fucking up fight order can be bad.
>>98686769You always think you can take Custodes on your charge... then they survive and wipe you. Walk away, not towards them. They're slow, can't shoot for shit and need to focus objectives rather than chasing you down because of low body count.
>>98686745Go with the pedos. Least objectionable group.
>>98686800Yeah, I played as custodes vs blood angels recently, he banged 3 10'+ charges on turn 2, he completely whiffed his first activation, I interrupted and wiped out his second big squad and it was pretty much over.They're very prone to being pre-measured>can't shoot for shitAllarus and bikes shoot really hard in Lions detachment to be fair, though that's probably going away with the codex.
>>98686745>possible group of pedosYou mean actual pedos or just people who like anime?
>>98686439Genuinely what is james' logic with the pricing on this boxAnd "it'll sell" isn't an answer, that box never sellsit's 9 models for 20 dollars each
>>98686871you already know the answer to that
>>98686871Former if they're alphabet people, latter if they're numbers people.
>>98686877These are monopose push-fit models from a starter box. It's a big sprue or 2 with all of these units bunched together. They can't sell them separately because of that. The price is retarded probably because there's a bunch of characters or maybe due to perceived scarcity of the models.
>>98686745Yeah I hear that. I was at my LGS yesterday to pick up a couple paints and I guess it was 40k night. Crowd was the typical worst stereotype of 40k players, mostly. I know there are more normal people who are least collect because Ive seen them shopping and picking up 40k boxes. I guess I gotta join some secret group and prove I'm not a complete sperg.
>>98686745come and join us fat retards anon
>>98686546Technically you are correct.You shoot all cq or all non-cq weapons, you can't mix.
>>98686909it's funnyI genuinely believed back in the 2010s zoomers would be much less annoying than these star wars disney marvel millennials but somehow they managed to be even worsenow instead of everything I like being problematic, everything I like is pedophilia
is it true that while most people play loyal marinesnot many play ultramarine?
>>98686953depends on your local scene
Are Ork boyz bad now?
>>98686226I hope you are the Destinyfag. Because I want to know when KH4 is coming out.
>>98686959is them being bad going to stop you from running them?
>>98686953Very true. Especially when you consider the 300 unique Ultramarine releases, Guilliman first loyalist primarch to return, Calgar's 5 model releases, stars of the amazon episode and the space marine game etc etc
>>98686953There's not many dyed in the wool ultras players. There's quite a few that will pivot into ultras when their rules are busted. But they don't have the genuine fanbase that Dangels, Bangels or even Salamanders have.
>>98686964No, but just asking
>>98685363You can print out your unit sheets and army rules. Some people do that.
>>98686959Its funny they were called the most OP imba unit ever, too many rules blah blah blah. Now they are 'bad units'. I haven't fully investigated but I think part of the reason is they lost FNP from the painboy? I dunno.
>>98686953>>98686968Until around halfway through 10th Ultramarines used to be unironially the worst way to play as space marines. They just didn't have anything special going on. Iron Hands tended to be the WAACfag choice out of codex compliant chapters.GW started pushing smurfs giga hard around the time Space Marine 2 released.
>>98686982>GW started pushing smurfs giga hard around the time Space Marine 2 released.
>>98686985There are people here who have never even heard the name Matt Ward mentioned. It's a generational gap of playerbase knowledge.
>>98686982Probably the same guy who jerks off 4th btw.
>>98686990>spiritual leigeI will say its nice to see ultramarine hate come back, even with the prior lack of knowledge of why they were shat on before.
>>98686990I want people who started 40k in 8th-11th to stop acting like they know anything about 40k.
>>98686985I obviously meant in terms of giving them power on the table. They were obviously the poster boys since forever.
>>98686985Make me a chart of UM characters and units per edition, compared with other SM sub factions
>>98687016
>>98687016I don't think Fists, Hands, Scars, Ravens, or Sallies are going to come out looking favorably in that comparison.Compared to the consistent supplement armies sure, but Ultramarines are getting close to their size now without being their own seperate codex.
I just learned that google searching "chicxulub" gets you a meteor.
>>98687016chronus
>>98687016Telion
>>98687021>somali child soldier in scavenged armour
>>98687016Calgar
>>98687037Missing the newest terminator armor variant.
>>98687034why is titus black?
>>98687021Only non-character UM unit out of 4th. Compare with Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Space Wolves.>>98687024Doesn't matter, UM at that time were not above the other big SM chapters.Today is way worse.>>98687029Luv Chronus and Telion, but 5th edition is special since characters are not locked per chapter, so Chronus, while a UM character, is a generic marine character, same way Telion is a great scout mentor you can use in any chapter.
>>98687034
>>98687032>>98687034>>98687037>compare with other SM factions and for each editions*taps sign*
>>98687048Guess they like blood angels more huh
>>98687058UMs today are getting this level of attention and then some.There's a difference between UM were wanked in the fluff, and UM are milked in the store.It's still gay, but worse.
>>98687066this post proves the opposite >>98687046
>>98686058Are you giving your models a rinse in soap & water before painting? The oils from your hands that got on during assembly might be messing with its adhesion
Ultramarines were never wanked to the degree that they are now.They're supposed to be default basic space marine faction but at the same time they get unique special units that are equal to or better than what BA/DA/SW etc get.The pinnacle was when they changed oath of moment to give +1 to wound to codex-compliant chapters and ultramarines still benefitted from it despite having arguably the most powerful special units out of all the chapters.
>>98687073>proves the oppositeAre you retarded?BA got a fuckton of models and had a ton of unique units and modelsUM didn't have more than themNow it's the opposite.How you came to the opposite conclusion is beyond me. How you can then look back at the images and persist in the opposite conclusion is worrying.
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>>98687092can you count? Genuine question
>>98687095>posting goreenjoy your vacation
>>98687095instead of IPA did you use plastic cement to get rid of the paint?
>>98687095You put in the jar to strip paint and then forgot about them?
>>98687097>9 ultramarine releases>22 blood angels releases (only counting space hulk as one release)
>TFW you see the new Codex and you built your brutalis with virgin talons instead of chad fists.REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>98687046>Breaking up a box into individual entries to pad out UM numbers>Calling generic character releases UM named charactersHoly fucking cope
UM in 4th Edition:Top Frat Boy (Calgar)Grand wizard (Tigurius)Master Priest (Cassius)Unique Unit A (Tyranic War vets)Unique Unit B (Honor Guards)BA in 4thTop Frant Boy (Dante)Grand Wizard (Mephiston)Not-Master Priest (Lemartes)Lord Pharmacist (Corbulo)Captain my Captain (Tycho)Unique Unit A (Death Company)Unique Unit B (Furioso Dreadnought)Unique Unit C (Baal Predator)Unique Unit D (Honor Guard)Added to UM in 5th:Top Frat Boy 2 (Bigger Calgar)The stig (Chronus) [can be used by anyone]Gundalf (Telyon) [can be used by anyone]Added to BA in 5th:SanguiguiMaster Priest (Astorath)Not-Master Priest 2 (Lemartes)Unique Unit A 2 (Death Company)Unique Unit B 2 (Furioso) Unique Unit C 2 (Baal Predator)Unique Unit D 2 (Sang Guard)Unique Unit E (DC Dreadnought)Unique Unit F (Librarian Dreadnought)Exclusive Fatasses (SH terminators)Myes, I'm sure this will stay consistent and BA will keep getting 4 times the attention as UMOh no
>>98687097Can you read?
>>98687113You were coping when you were saying Telion and the like didn't count as UM characters because of some stupid bullshit you were spouting thoughbeit
>>98687121>UM in 10th edition>wardens of ultramar>ferren areios>calgar v2>cato>victrix>upgrade sprue>BA in 10th edition>sanguinor>astorath>lemartes>captain>sang priest>sang guard>upgrade sprue>death company>death company dread>>98687124can you?
>>98687127nta but that's me who said that. And absolutely they count for half.Who's coping, again?
>>98687131You are.
>>98687127Not me, I'm just another anon that thinks your retarded
>>98687130>upgrade sprue>death company>death company dreadwhy did you list upgrade sprue 3 times?
>>98687134Go suck on your whore mother's tit.
>>98687130>UM in 10thYou forgot the first titus model, tigurius, uriel and fucking gulliman. The first calgar model was still there.today you can also add konorius>BA in 10th>DC and DC dreadDoesn't have a modelI will admit I forgot cato sicarius with the 5th ed addition.
>>98687145guilliman and calgar 1.0 arent 10e models, mr larpertigurius didn't get a model,
>>98687153>they aren't 10e modelsWho said anything about "released in 10th", retard? Morons make a lot of assumptions.
>>98687155>Who said anything about "released in 10th"I did right here >>98687130Can you read?
>>98687130You missed titus v1. Also dc and dc dred didn't get kitsSo 6 for 6.I'm confused what point you're even making desu.
>>98687130>>98687160Also, notably, the blood angels kits are all refreshes whereas ultramarine shit is almost all new stuff.
>>98687157>I did>Did noto o f>actually madO O FI remain undefeated, but something so easy I'd hardly call a victory.
>>98687095Nice, doing a diorama of what happens in the average Tau shooting phase?
>>98687165>did not>>98687130>UM in 10th edition>BA in 10th edition>in 10th edition>10th editionliteracy is hard for you
uh oh marinepiggy melty
>>98687164>almost all new stuff>look inside>only two of the kits are new
>>98687144Strike a nerve did I?
>>98687174I am glad you agree with me that they got more new shit than BA, making your entire argument invalid. Smell ya later.
>>98687168"In 10th edition" means in the roster of that faction in 10th edition.If I wanted to say "released in 10th edition" I'd have writte "released in 10th edition"You used my formating and assumed it meant releases.But even if your wrong assumption was true then the math still isn't mathing on your favor.
>>98687183You lost and have spent the last 50 minutes crying while the thread proves you wrong lmao
>>98687182why is rei somalian
Ultramarine players are truly the most oppressed minority.
>>98687185>THIS desperate for a gotchaYou don't get to tell me what I posted isn't what I meant lmaoTake the L, it's an anonymous site, nobody will know what a raging retard you are in about 30 minutes
>>98687171i like marines :D
>>98687174>two are newThere is way more than 2 new UM kits, we got 2 titus and both are new since the second is titus with friends.
>>98687186I made 2 posts itt before you replied, schizo. You're empirically wrong, everyone with eyes can see it. I don't even comprehend what sort of mental gymastics you underwent to convince yourself otherwise.
>>98687192I like your marines.
>>98687189Someone is desperate alright.
>>98687196sure you did, retards like (you) always try thisI'm not even the original one who started laughing at how wrong you were
>>98687192have you considered a matt varnish? or just moving the lamp further away?
>>98687202>I'm not even the original onesure you did, retards like (you) always try this
>>98687205ohhh he's SEETHING seethingsorry folks, he's gonna keep going for the rest of the night now
>>98687209>nightSiri, what time is it in Brisbane
>>98687209Bro, you're the one who's been spamming ultramarine images for an hour to prove I don't even know what.
It's time to finish my sisters vehicle collection. I need the maximun amount of everything. I already have a 3 Castigators. I only have 2 exorcists (one metal and one new) so I need to hunt down the forgeworld one to have 3 exorcist and have all 3 different versions of the exorcist. I have 2 Immolators one of the MK1 metal one and the older plastic one. But you can run 8 Immos if you ally 2 from IA so with these I will get 1 more metal and older plastic one. And two forgeworld and two new ones. And then finally the Rhino. I have Mk1 Rhino, bog standard Rhino and a Deimos one. I will need to get the Rhino with the forgeworld upgrade kit, the new Sisters Rhino and also the Immolator based Rhino with the bubble stormbolter turret. Finished this collection will look like this:3 Castigators3 Exorcists: 1 new one, 1 metal one and 1 forgeworld one8 Immolators: 2 Mk1 metals, 2 Forgeworlds, 2 older plastics and 2 new ones6 Rhinos: Mk1, Deimos, Standard MK2, MK2 with Sisters Forgeworld upgrades, MK2 with sisters bubble turret and new sisters one
>>98685237I very mildly kitbashed an Autarch.
>>98687235>n-no uyawn
>>98687241>fugg
>>98687209>nightsaaar
Which forge worlds are associated with Slaanesh?
>>98686601It's not capitalized (nor in [ ], but that doesn't seem to be consistent for operative words), so I get the feeling this is just your super special identifier word. They could have made it "secret agent" or something equally as dumb, but they chose "hidden".
>>98687237>no repressorBro?That aside, I'd love to see your collection.I too have a MK1 rhino I did up for my sisters
>>98687246Was the kitbash simply to put a striking scorpion helmet on?
Where the FUCK is this shoulder pad with attached Servo Skull from
>>98687275Yeah the Repressor as well. I do have the Repressor upgrade kit already though the seller scammed me and gave me a recast while they advertised it was authentic forgeworld one. I haven't partially built it because that recast smells so fucking toxic. Honestly with forgeworld ones I will just buy recasts because 99% of people who sell OOP forgeworld stuff are just trying to pass recasts as authentic anyway. Finding an actual forgeworld with those is basically impossible.Maybe one day I will my collection here but 30% of it is still unpainted.
>>98687277The shuriken pistol arm is also from the striking scorpions, and the sword arm is from the winged autarch. Like I said, very mildly.
>>98687281http://www.solegends.com/citle2000/notsorare/ironfather/index.htm
>>98687281Have you tried image searching? Took me like 10 seconds.
>>98687281
>>98687294ntab>It took me 10 secs>but I won't post a picspecial kind of dickhead you are
>>98687306ntab>spoonfeed me something that takes 10 seconds to reverse image search!!!fuck off, retard
GIVE CODEX ROADMAP TOMORROW I BEG OF YOU
>>98687286I was sadly unable to find a real one either.I saw a few that were just in FW bags but you can get those easily
>>98687321Yeah but honestly how likely are those FW bags real and not just fake as well? Hopefully they are authentic but I would not be surprised if it was someone who reproduced the bags and is trying to pass of recasts as real.
>>98687310Yes, I suppose when someone dares to ask the thread about a mystery bit, the correct way to react is to tell them to blow it out of their arse.Afterall, the reason why we go to online forums around the topic of 40k is so we can tell each other to fuck off. We aren't /WIP/, why the fuck would we even answer those kinds of requests? What are we? Useful? Preposterous.And just so you know: pretending is also retarded.
>>98687321Yeah, that's also what I meant.I think it was recasts put into a bag. I don't honestly know if the Repressor upgrade kit was sold in a bag or a box.As for the fake bags, I have been sold recasts from china that were in fake Forgeworld bags and one that says Forgaworld
>>98686620Well yeah, but it still needs to be pretty light to work.
>>98685342Use a white and thin it with a white acrylic ink instead of water and it will cover even black in three thin coats.
>Detachment bonuses if you take the named character who also comes with his own bonusesHmmm.. I wonder what direction this is going in.
>>98687348"pretty light" paints are still way easier to deal with than actual white. there's a tipping point with white pigments where surfaces start to get chalky and inconsistencies in application look terrible. you can get pretty light without reaching that tipping point and have a far nicer time.
>>98685223https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dhwqtqkc/space-marines-detachments-salamanders-raven-guard-and-more/Everyone gets a special detachment except White Scars. Lol. Lmao even.
>>98687359Can we go back to the days where you can only take epic heroes if you opponent gives you permission to use them?
>>98687363Sorry. GW said no.
>>98687363Sorry that's not the game anymore, this is Herohammer.
>>98687246Looking good anon. What's your color scheme for this guy you think?
Settle an argument, were sternguard good in 10th?
>>98687373yeah, rerolling wounds for devs was an answer to everything.
>>98687373Not until librarius conclave.
I own almost 4k points of Imperial Guard stuff and have never played a single game of 40k in more than 15 years.
>>98687373Absolutely, they were just awkward to run at times was all- you wanted to take things like Librarius to buff them but there were better detachments than that for your army as a whole so sometimes you wound up not running them because optimization.
>>98687373a unit that had access to reroll hits and wounds with devs was pretty good
>>98687363The detachment buffs for the Infernus Squads are really nice and I would have liked to pick it.But I refuse to take named characters since my dudes are led by Captain Ngubu.
>>98687328They were told where they can get their answer to this and all future inquiries. The fact it's so easy to find the solution and several anons did so, shows how little effort was put in by anon. You do realize that people intentionally go online and act stupid to get people to "correct them" by giving them the answer they were looking for, right? Only one being retarded is you for defending this behavior. If telling someone where they can find a simple answer is completely out of the question on (You)r Internet, kindly fuck off, retard.
>>98687434>I'm not being a dickhead, I'm actually helpful!>also they were probably trolling!!Special kind of dickhead indeed
>>98687362Is this the first look at the mk7 and mk6 helmets in the intercessor and vanguard vet kits?
>>98687310>>98687434Acting like this is the reason why you don't have friends and why you're here.
>>98687362>Local Salamander players doom posting immediately invalidated Nice
>>98687469Yeah, but also fun to know I am vindicated. I told people here the helmets would still be there.
>>98687469That white helmet on the left looks a lot like an old tactical squad one as it's a bit big for the primaris model like those are.
>>98687488All the helmets are the size and it is not an old tacticals helmet, it has the mk10 "ears" on it.
I haven't lost a single game as Orks since the codex came out
>>98687510How many have you won?
>>98687510thats a touching story anon thanks for sharing it with us
>>98687516Four, pretty good run so far>>98687517You're welcome I love you
Rate my combat patrol>Chaplain>5 Assault Terminators>3 Outriders>10 Assault Intercessors
Incursors seem really good now. Better guns (+1S, AP-1), better melee (+1S), their targetting ability gives reroll 1s to hit instead of +1 to hit roll and they don't have to shoot at the unit to provide it so they can stay hidden or choose a different target. Haywire mine is a little worse because they can't be used in any phase, only your own shooting, but has slightly longer range. Same effect.If they're under 100 points I'll be taking 2x5 or 3x5 to feed rerolls to hellblasters, eliminators and the repex.
>>98687531i want to win games...
Alright what should I do. I bought an ebay lot because it was cheap but the issue is that these models are pro painted level. Like they are extremely well painted but they aren't painted in the same colors as rest of my army. And there's zero chance that I can paint anything close to this level.Part of me wants to strip them and repaint them in my colors but I feel like I would butcher extremely well painted units.
>>98687567Replace terminators with jump pack intercessors
>>98686069With the new rules for bolters and combis? You put two 5 man squads inside the rhino and that's 6 meltas/plasmas/flamers for cheap on your basic bitch objective holder and 4 S5 bolters.
>I'm not going to paypig for marneus cowgirl and his honour guard just because gw discontinued it>*1 year of pain passes*>prices for this are now doubledWellNow I can't paypig for itBecause I'm not going to buy it for double what it was
>>98687591Give it a few years and it'll be on made to order
>>98687567that's a little under 500 points at the minute, which is badthough after the codex it will probably be over 500 points, which is good
>>98685252>assemble the cardboard skeletong of the terrain>and then finish the modelI hate this shitWhere the fuck do the PLASTIC JUNGLE TREES come fromI can never find a GOOD tree for any kind of Jungleoid model
>>98687575Resell your pro-painted models for more in individual lots, then use the profits to buy the same models but unpainted.
>>98687588>Rhino holding an objective and not getting blown up as soon as it enters a firing laneGood one, no games.
Why do the tau need some kind of savage native american themed stalker specialist if they have kroot?
for the vintage collage are you lot leaving the models on their original bases or swapping them over to their current (bigger) ones? im just putting them on the current ones so i can use them in games
>>98687598>Where the fuck do the PLASTIC JUNGLE TREES come fromLil bro theres a whole hobby scene for people who make dioramas. I've even gone to Etsy to buy really nice looking trees before
>>98687606>savage native american themed stalker specialisthe's not, he's just a pathfinder hero because they have a pathfinder unit
>>98687607Old bases because they will just be for display.I would have put them on the new base sizes if they were for an army, which I have done before
>>98687604If the rhino dies the unit inside just gets out and still holds the objective. Also this.
>>98687598gw used to sell those
>>98687606>native americanThat hairstyle is chinese inspired
>>98687610All of those are ugly
>>98687607Use original bases and then use base adapters. Preferably ones you can just clip on and not glue on like in this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTLTIIzKmgk
ADEPTUS ASSTARDS
>>98687617Wrong, the unit gets out and then is also immediately shot off the board, and that's not taking into account how many die disembarking from a destroyed transport or the vehicle then exploding after
>>98686196They would immediately be killed by the cog boys.
>>98687620The chinese stole it from native americans.
>>98687632Cog boys do kill each others, yes
>>98687630Yeah anon I'm sure your opponent is wasting every activation to kill your tacs/ints and rhinos and that will surely win them the game and not leave them open for a counterattack with your untouched actual damage dealing units.
>>98686196You cannot add useless bells and whistles since that is modifying the weapon from the original STC. And that is tech heresy.
Also the Ultramarines combat patrol should have had like 6 victrix guard.
>>98686196they do have corrupt officials and designers, but their margins are minimised to near zero by corruption going on higher up in the hierarchy
>>98687640>Yeah anon I'm sure your opponent is wasting every activation to kill your tacs/ints and rhinos You act like it's hard to kill a rhino
GW has really been knocking it out of the park recently
>>98687649You act as if needing to kill a rhino on top of the objective securing unit doesn't increase its survibability by a lot. They are called metal boxes for a reason.
>>98686069I see CSM and plague marine squads in rhinos all the time, why would tac squads be any different?
>>98687654>You act as if needing to kill a rhino on top of the objective securing unit doesn't increase its survibability by a lot.Because it doesn't and its very, very clear that you don't play 40k
>>98687641>You cannot add useless bells and whistles since that is modifying the weapon from the original STC.Entirely depends on the mechanicus personel present and entirely depends on the modifications being done. Some of them are more retarded about it than others.Hell, the whole "innovation is bad, mkay?" that the higher echelons espouse is constantly being broken by the leading techpriests themselves anyway. It's very much "rules for thee, not for me" with them.If it was up to the mechanicus they wouldn't even let anyone else have any technology because they think everyone else is "nonbeliever who deserves none".Only reason why mechanicus even work the Imperium still is purely out of convenience, the admech is more closer to a sister empire that holds a lot of autonomy and exists within the imperium itself.
>>98687625I didn't watch the video but thats what im doing, as one of the models I've got needed a slotter base so I just used a base extender and chucked textured paint around it to fill the gaps
>>98687630Disembarked units can be hidden which might save them.
The "i dunno ask /hhg/" anon would have to be the most based poster in these threads imo
>>98687677Needed it as its a metal model*
>>98687682hes basically just seething about marinechads
so are the rhino and land raiders the only pre-primaris units left in the codex? yeah i know guilliman was technically pre but he is spiritually a primaris so he doesn't count
>>98687701>so are the rhino and land raiders the only pre-primaris units left in the codex?Terminators too. Land speeders I guess? They got updated but are still the same units as always. I suppose that includes sternguard and vanguard vets and scouts.
>>98687607>his vintages models haven't been immune to base creepIt's comical seeing a current Farseer lead 4 Warlocks on 32s or even a team of Guardians on 28s.
>>98687700Permanent means permanent.
>>98687709I don't count any of those because they've been updatedalso termies lore states its primaris marines in that armour now
>>98687711They really need to do a pass over eldar base sizes it's so retarded. Especially considering they have a standard internally they jus thaven't updated the pre2019 models.
>>98687719Then there's primaris riding and crewing the rhinos and land raiders. You're silly.
>>98687714Seething to the point he’s hearing voices and scizoposting lol>>98687701No i think theres more
>>98687701the term primaris doesn't appear in the codex a single time
>>98687728doesn't matter since the model hasn't been updatedmy question was about units that haven't been updated since primaris dropped, not what is and is not a primaris
>>98687682the “You're fucking crazy hahaha” is more based in my opinion.
>>98687607I am being a chud and plan on putting my metal Wraithguard on 40mm bases
>>98687746Guard or lord? From what I remember the metal wraithlord came on a 40 mm base
>>98687734Well yeah. Firstborn don’t exist anymore for loyalists. Firstborn are firmly now a traitor thing. All manlets are Chaos and need to be put down.
funny to think that guilliman might be the oldest model in the codex by next edition
>>98687607I managed to find a 1989 rogue trader era terminator so maybe I'll paint that.
>>98687765meh kinda to be expected honestly
Pepsihammer-kun, are you here? How do I stay up to date with your work? Is there any place where I can follow you and see updates whenever they are rolled out?
>>98687765>guilliman might be the oldest model in the codex by next editionImplying he doesn't get a new model next year
Lore for Votann when?Land train for Votann when?
Any other SEAnigger here?How hard is it to find people to play with?will I be able to find enough people to play with physically?or should I just play online on virtual table top or wait for video game instead?Im thai btw
>>98687793I hate to be that guy but I do hope he gets a new one.The current one is just meh and doesn't fit the Ultramarines faction. The current model has some decent parts, like the helmet and the backpack and the shoulder pads, but the rest of it?Eeeehhh...
>>98687867just become a lady boy instead
>>98687463>>98687478Booty status: blasted.
>>98687892It took you almost 2 hours to come up with a "u mad" as a comeback?Just do everyone a service and suck start shotgun.
>>98686959Yes.They used to be 4 attacks, plus 1 more on the waaaghhh.Now they are 3 attacks, but get shoots........ O wait nobody cares.And ya the big 20 man's without a painboyz FNP die very quickly.But they still have enough attacks and bodies, especially with two nobz now to deal with most things.
weapons in the new marine codex are all over the place and inconsistent as fuck. The exact same weapon will have two or three different statlines depending on the model for no reason and there's plenty of weapons (especially bolters) with a dozen different names and slightly different stats that honestly have no business being separate weapons. They really need to condense and standardize stuff.
>>98687362>Immolation Protocols taken out back and shot
New black books droppedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/b3jpf8hp/pages-from-the-black-books-the-scouring-of-the-nostramo-sector/
>>98687682ThisIf you primarch lorewank go ask the primarch general
>>98687962>primarch generalIronically they're currently talking about how they don't make back their own cost in 3.0.
>deathworld forest is cool terrain>someone was selling it for 140 bucks>but someone else was selling Eldritch Ruins for less>did not realize until yesterday that GW for some reason sold DWF as basically a Battleforce for terrain, and that Eldritch ruins is different because it's missing stuff like the shardwrack spinesShit
>>98687925I need to go backsamurai jackor else I will -ack
>>98685980The only place the have representation is in the DoW 2 elite mod, which is sad because they are interesting in my opinion
>>98687620>>98687636Not so fast!
>>98687907>why aren't you terminally online, constantly refreshing the page for replies?
Buff knights
>>98687962Most people like Primarchs anon and it’s okay for them to have a different opinion than yours, you’ll live.
>>98688013ntab you spend time on 4chan you failed normalfaggot, don't try to pretend like you're better than anyone else here lmao
I asked HH about primarchs and they told me primarchs are gay and should be talked about in /40kg/.
Hey guys I recently became interested in Primarchs from Games Workshop’s titular flagship title Warhammer 40kI know this is the Warhammer 40k general thread so I came in to ask about peoples’ opinions on Primarchs!Who’s your favorite?Mine you ask?Well, heh, let’s just say you don’t get a nickname like “The Lion” just from being an average fella!
deff dread is kool
I can't wait for Celestine to get 25 wounds and FNP 3+ with a revive.
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>>98688056Thats sick
>>98687362The codex already leaked and theres a bike detachment
>>98686027>Rhinos are more durable than carnifexesI am going to crash out
>>98686800allarus, and those dumb fucking bikes will kill most everything if allowed to shoot.
