I really dont see how "rolling" for everything in the character creation (Expecially races) is fun when it just makes you scrap your character idea and most players then roleplay and play worse.also why is it soo common to be in classless systems? isnt the entire fucking point of a classless system to BUILD your own character? why is it such a hard concept to understand for writers?
>>98691491>I really dont see how "rolling" for everything in the character creation (Expecially races) is fun when it just makes you scrap your character idea and most players then roleplay and play worse.It fits for different style of play. Less plot driven theather kid campaign.
>>98691491Different people have fun with different things.That's why there are so many different kinds of games.Little autist.
some systems actively encourage making extra characters due to how squishy they are starting outdungeon crawl classics suggests in its rulebook to roll up to fifteen characters and playing whoever is still alive after the first dungeon
Can breed creativity. Anyone can have a dark brooding half elven princeling destined to wield the holy sword of bullshit as he reclaims his homeland from his usurping, anti-elven uncle.But the dice have given me a centaur shaman. In a pirate campaign. How the fuck has that happened?
>>98691491Counterpoint: MAIDBasically roll for the character concept first, then roll for the stats. If your character turns out to not be competent, you just roll with that, because you now have a clear character motivation as well.
>>98691491>why is it soo common to be in classless systems?How common is it? Post some stats
>>98691672>weeb jap shitno thx>>98691688most popular classless systems are like this soo last on i looked into was dragonbane same shit
>>98691491even gary gygax didnt like rolling 3D6 down the line and added ways to make it less randomthis includes flat arrays that guaranteed a high and low stat with no randomization whatsoeverbut also 4D6, drop the lowest, assign where needed which is only semi-random, since you can put your highest roll in your main stat
>>98691699Yet Shadowrun, another classless classic, doesn't do that.That's one example for, one against (or 1:6, if you count each edition separately), not much of a statistic.
>>98691665Pre-planned characters tend to have similar motivations as well. Over time you notice players have repeating motivations and character traits. Its not a bad thing, but can be repetitive.
>>98691491Sometimes it's fun to just go with what the dice give and see what you can make of it. I usually prefer being able to start with a concept and make a character to fit it, but rolling can be a fun change of pace every now and then. I think rolled chargen works better for oneshots or short campaigns than longer ones, though, or at least I like it more in short campaigns.
>>98691491I'm struggling to think of a single classless system with randomised chargen except Traveller. Even Traveller has choices in Lifepath and then an alternative chargen method that's not randomised.
>>98691491This OP makes no sence. Which games you have in mind?
>>98691491>scrap your character ideaYou're not supposed to have a character idea to scrap.
>>98692100this.
>>98692012FATAL. It's pretty much the only game that insist on random chargen.
>>98691491huh? I've never played a classless game that didn't use point buy. what are you talking about?
>>98691560rolling and point buy support either style equally (ie. not at all, they're entirely orthogonal and irrelevant to the sort of game you want to run)
>>98691665In my current point buy pirate game, the players are a muppet, a golem, and a ghost. Neither method encourages creativity more than the other. Just imagine shit.
>>98691714Speak for yourself.
>>98691491Rolling is for dungeon crawls where your character is a statblock and your only objective is to get loot. It ill suits an actual RPG.>>98692394Incorrect. Point Buy lets you create a curated character that matters. Rolling lets you create a statblock that is disposable.
>>98692417Incorrect. You can make disposable characters with point buy and you can make non disposable characters with rolling.
>>98692417Dungeon crawls are the only actual RPGs, sorry.
>>98691491>I really dont see how "rolling" for everything in the character creation (Expecially races) is fun when it just makes you scrap your character ideaPreventing "character idea" retardation is precisely the goal.>most players then roleplay and play worse.Theatre kid faggotry is not roleplaying, and roleplaying is not theatre kid faggotry.Roleplaying = during a dungeon delve or wilderness exploration, play the role that you class is designed for: fighting for a Fighter, casting spells for a Magic-User, and so on. Nobody needs your "character ideas" when a character's role in an adventure is entirely defined by its class.
>>98691708>gary gygax used flat arrays that guaranteed a high and low stat with no randomization whatsoeverBullshit, retard
>>98692433You don't play the role of your character though, the "character" is just a statblock. It's a game mechanic. There is no greater game world, there are no personalities, characters are just boring sets of modifiers and features.
>>98692423All characters are disposable.
>>98691672MAID is the worst possible example because you might as well reroll your character if any of your stats comes up as 1. At least a D&D character is still broadly usable with minimum allowed stats (ok so maybe not combat-related attributes)
>>98692389dragonbane and most ttrpgs have random roll same with warhammer
>>98692721That sounds boring and retarded.
>>98691491Counterpoint:Rolling your entire character and bracing for the suck is the entire fun, especially since you will make three more that single game meeting.Pic very fucking related, this game genuinely makes dying fun and playing essentially a schizophrenic character that's seven different people through the campaign is entertaining.
>>98691491Quick question: if you are playing game with literal chargen, why are you showing up with a character idea?Your character is literally what comes out of the rolls. You play what comes out, not what you want to play. Entirely different thing conceptually.My GM usually solves this by people trading their results if someone has something they really don't want and the other guys is ok with taking it or actively wants it.>classless do itThey don't. Which proves you are at best DnDrone, and at worst never-game.
>>98691491>it just makes you scrap your character ideaYou have it in the wrong order. You roll for the stats and then decide for your character based on the roll.
>>98692766>At least a D&D character is still broadly usable with minimum allowed statsThis isn't true for any edition and ever since WotC took over, you either min-max, or you suck, period.
>>98693409nigger we play once a week....the last thing i want is making character the entire thing
>>98693798I play bi-weekly and it's still fun.Have you tried not being a big crybaby for a change?
>>98693798Also:If you need more than a minute to make PB character, you might be retarded. Not a diss, just a statement
>>98693525Doesn't count. WotC "D&D" is not real D&D except in trademark.
>>98693947if your game makes me make a new chracter every game then its not a game
>>98694306... because?What? Baby never played one-shot in his life?
>>98694063You really need to stay in your containment thread.
>>98694439vanta black
>>98694470Cry harder.
>>98692012mausritter
>>98693525But at least you can succeed in basic tasks. A 1 in MAID means you can basically never succeed in a basic task.
>>98691491It doesn't but tryhard faggots have decided it's the one right way and if you don't do it you're having fun wrong.
>>98692719it was offered as an option, but 4D6, drop the lowest, in an array was gygaxs preferred option which was a very forgiving distribution that let you hedge low rolls by still letting you put your best roll in your needed attribute
>>98691491I dont know about classless systems, never played one with randomised chargen, But rolling for starting proffession in warhammer fantasy rpg or (dont judge me too hard) zweihander is cool mechanic. Starting off in the world as whatever gets thrown at you and then getting to decide your characters next steps from that point on makes for a feel thats closer to life.
>>98692706>roleplaying is not theatre kid faggotry"Roleplay" is a theatre kid word to describe their theatre faggotry, and has been for longer than RPGs have existed.>>98694306If your game doesn't let you lose then it's not a game.
>>98691491>when it just makes you scrap your character ideaThe point is to make up a character idea after rolling and letting the dice take you where you'd be unlikely to go on your own.
>>98696973>it was offered as an optionBullshit, mongoloid
>>98691572>Different people have fun with different things.>That's why there are so many different kinds of games.Unless people are having fun wrong using a system that is Le Bad. Or are theatre kids. Or are disrespecting the rules set in stone 50 years ago and enjoying it wrong.
>>98698766This but unironically
>>98693409No, it isn't the entire fun.
>>98693503Wrong.
>>98691491rabbit landsknecht girls SEXO
>>98691699>last on i looked into was dragonbane same shit"There are six playable kin in Dragonbane: human, halfling, dwarf, elf, mallard, and wolfkin. Humans are the most common kin, but YOU ARE FREE TO CHOOSE ANY OF THEM. You can also roll your kin using the table below." - Dragonbane p9So either you didn't read the book, you have preschool level reading comprehension, or you're a badfaith retard.You tell me which it is.
>>98692719>>98697881AD&D DMG page 11 under "Generation of Ability Scores">Method I>All scores are recorded and arranged in the order the player desires. 4d6 are rolled, and the lowest die (or one of the lower) is discarded.>Method II>All scores are recorded and arranged as in Method I. 3d6 are rolled 12 times and the highest 6 scores are retained.>Method III>Scores rolled are according to each ability category, in order, STRENGTH, INTELLIGENCE, WISDOM, DEXTERITY, CONSTITUTION, CHARISMA. 3d6 are rolled 6 times for each ability, and the highest score in each category is retained for that category.>Method IV>3d6 are rolled sufficient times to generate the 6 ability scores, in order, for 12 characters. The player then selects the single set of scores which he or she finds most desirable and these scores are noted on the character record sheet.4d6 drop the lowest is the default first method for character stat generation in AD&D, nogames. Actually pick up a book.
>>98700146Anon, the (your?) claim was:>>98691708>even gary gygax [...] added ways to make it less random>this includes flat arrays that guaranteed a high and low stat with no randomization whatsoeverSo thank you for proving that the claim was bullshit, like I said.
>>98700097>kin>mallard>wolfkinLMAO what fucking pink-haired furry faggotry is that?
>>98700597its made by sweeds soo
>>98691491>makes you scrap your character ideaWhy are you coming in with a detailed character concept if you don't even know what sort of game you're playing? Your complaint isn't a system issue, this is just a matter of being a good player.
>>98691491Someone has never played FIST before (granted, you can choose your archetypes instead of rolling). It can be very fun, but it's silly in DnD clones.Different mechanics work in different games. The same things that work in GURPS aren't the things that work in a d20 DnD clone which aren't the things that work in PbtA which aren't the things that work in LANCER etc.
>>98701156I think most people roll up a character after they know what game they're playing, anon, not before.
>>98701682And I am saying OP is not most people. That's the issue there.
>>98701723They're also an anon that doesn't actually read the rulebooks they're complaining about.
>>98691491What the fuck is a character idea? Why are you starting the game with preconceptions? Roll your dice & see what happens, then the character will come to you on its own
>>98693798The thing is - if you roll the character and don't make a fucking scene about it like a fucking manchild, it takes few minutes at most?>>98691491Character "ideas" and "builds" are for faggots. Don't be a faggot. Learn to improvize and make do with what you have in front of you instead of thinking that everything will bend around you.Your parents did not beat you enough, clearly.
>>98700053>making a custom, overcosted Disadvantage instead of using Bio-Tech's existing rules for furrygirls who regularly go into estrus
>>98700053>>98702687Yeah anon, for shame
>>98691491Furry "fandom" goes on >>>/trash/
>>98696878So you never played DnD or never played MAID?Or simply never played and also didn't even fucking read the rules?
>>98691491I can't think of a single game that does it like that. Sort of first edition traveller but even that lets you choose the careers you try to qualify for.
>>98691491Well here's the rub;Your character doesn't start off interesting.No, a short novel worth of backstory nobody will read, does not change that.Especially if you get shanked with a dirty knife and die of sepsis in session one.What your character does during the game is what is interesting.You also cannot guarantee that any given character will survive longer than it takes for you to do something fatally stupid.Playing the same character over and over again is also acceptable.But boring.Randomly generated characters are a way to surprise yourself.Did you expect expendable wizard apprentice number three to be the one who prevailed?Probably not.And you are essentially called upon to characterize him by his in-game actions, which creates ORGANIC character growth, that everybody at the table is there for and can be invested in.And that's what makes him more interesting than -your fursona- for the fifteenth time.Tldr; randomly generated characters that beat the odds of the meatginder, are cooler by far than your masturbatory self-insert/waifu.
>>98700597The word "Race" terrifies these people.Take it as an inverse shibboleth, and shun them like they have aids.(they probably do)
>>98703661reddit
>>98703407Hardly my fault you're a retarded trog who can't do math
>>98700146>Method III>Scores rolled are according to each ability category, in order, STRENGTH, INTELLIGENCE, WISDOM, DEXTERITY, CONSTITUTION, CHARISMA. 3d6 are rolled 6 times for each ability, and the highest score in each category is retained for that category.Please explain to me like I'm five why I should pick up any other method than this. Six rolls pick best for each stat?
>>98705019The DM chooses the method, not the players, WotCfag.
>>98704473It is you making crazy claims, not me
>>98691491>I really dont see how "rolling" for everything in the character creation is funtry for change Traveller; generating characters here is basically session on it's own, give some plot hooks and campaign ideas
>>98692706>Roleplaying = during a dungeon delve or wilderness exploration, play the role that you class is designed for: fighting for a Fighter, casting spells for a Magic-User, and so on. Nobody needs your "character ideas" when a character's role in an adventure is entirely defined by its class.Why do people who have never played an RPG before, but ESPECIALLY not during it's golden era (90s to ~00s) think they have a better idea of what "roleplaying games" are really about then people who did? Is it due to politically obsessed retardation?
>>98706220Slight exaggeration but you have a 33% chance to succeed at the most basic skill roll in MAID with an attribute level of 1. If we assume the equivalent is DC 5 then the D&D character has superior odds even with a -5. If we assume a 6 in MAID is roughly DC 10 in D&D, the maid still has worse odds to beat the target number
>>98708791I think people forget that MAID is a comedy game, so... it makes sense that characters are less likely to succeed than generic heroic fantasy character.
>>98708820I realize that and still didn't think it was fun that wayIt should be a bucket o'dice game like Shadowrun
>>98708833Okay anon, have fun hacking MAID to be like Shadowrun.
>>98708529>people who have never played an RPG before>golden era (90s to ~00s)I've been playing since the early 1980s, and "AD&D" 2e is the absolute worst of all D&D-branded editions.
>>98708529>golden era >90s to ~00slollmao
>>98708873It probably wouldn't be that hard since the TNs are like straight out of a FASA game
>>98700053>Every 1 to 2 weeksWe're not going to get anything done.
>>98700597Mallard is almost certainly a Howard the Duck reference.
>>98709418doesn't make it any less retarded
>>98709418Donald Duck*
>>98691491I feel like random traits and lifepath chargen can be fun, but I think adding elements of choice back in can help safeguard against dud charactes.For instance, if some system says to roll 3 random character quirks, I feel like it'd be better to roll 5 then pick 3 that might gel together.Some lifepath rules do similar, where the event in your backstory is rolled, but the character effect has options a player can pick.
>>98704192I'm far too racist for reddit.The reddit thing is getting upset because your self-insert got popped by a standard encounter, then getting upset and vowing never to play again.
>>98691491>cute provoking image>pointless time wasting question
>>98705285Nah. DM's are cucks who work free for my entertainment, they are by their very mature pushovers that are fundamentally incapable of setting boundaries. In this case I'd simply proceed to roll my character using this method. Even if he actually got his big boy pants on that day and pushed back I would effortlessly win that little play. Ultimately the only way I won't get to choose the method to roll my stats is for him to throw me out, and that would alienate him with every other player. So he'll let it slide, like he does every single time in his life when someone challenges him in the slightest. He knows he's a monkey who dances for me and he does it anyway.
>>98714638>>cute provoking imageyou seriously underestimate how inherently lewd bunnies are
>>98715317>DM's are cucks who work free for my entertainmentIn the dogshit theatre kid bullshit that you faggots play, sure.In AD&D, absolutely not.
