Nostalgia EditionPrevious: >>98695060>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Green Bolas>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What time period in Magic was the golden era of Commander specifically for you? Why?
>tq2 years ago, because that's when I got into the format.
>>98700288>nostalgia edition>uses nu-frame
>>98700288>TQ: What time period in Magic was the golden era of Commander specifically for you? Why?That beautiful time in 2024 where UB wasn't 50% of sets
>>98700288The most fun I've had with the format was when the original batch of precons was released. People were just playing them unmodified against each other for weeks at my lgs and it was a good time because all the decks sucked balls and there was a lot of back and forth. I miss my authentic three hour long commander games.
>>98700288Pre-Derevi era.
My NIGGA We are ride or die
>>98700288>TQI think I enjoyed the PLAY of Magic pre-COVID, particularly during my college years. But I don't have much fondness for the blocks themselves (INN, RTR, Theros, KTK). More that, when you're a broke college student surrounded by other broke college students, you have infinite time to play EDH. Games lasted long, CEDH didn't exist, and the format still very much felt like the "junk rare" experience at local game stores.That being said I think I've enjoyed modern Commander much more. Not the slop sets, nor the rapid-fire release cadence. Magic itself is a fucking train wreck. More the fact that EDH has moved away from decks being absolute piles and become much more about "brewing" as the card pool has broadened into a card ocean.Also post decks. Your most recent one, to be exact.
Does this instantly become Top 1 CEDH commander
>>98700467You can just ask people to play a different format instead of coming up with whatever this is.
>TQBRO through LCI, since that's when I got back into magic and commander.
>Birds of Paradise printed in the new foundations mono green preconfinally its gonna get cheaper.
>>98700624It was JUST reprinted in marvel and it didn't help the cost that much. Don't know if this will help all that much either.
>>98700467Yes because we still have the terrible EDH banlist but now you're running ~55 fewer names than a normal EDH deck. You're now the most consistent deck in the format by a country mile playing some abomination of Vintage shops with 4 copies of cards that are normally 1-ofs in Shops.
>>98700343Same bro, I started with the second phase of decks, I was running Derevi. Bastard of a card
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98700467Timmy so desperately wishes that the commander players would play his larp legacy format with him.
>>98700467is there a Formatshitter variant that gives you three free mulls and a free tutor at the beginning of the game if you lost the previous game?
>>98700873It lets you free mulligan as long as you promise your deck is casual.
I’ve literally never posted on this board before but I have a serious question as a casual player who only really plays magic with friends but I’ve seen a lot of people shit on Commander and say it’s ruined standard. I thought commander was the most popular format? I don’t mind standard but I don’t like how limited in variety you are in it. You’re basically playing a deck with like 10 cards you have multiple copies of. Sounds kind of boring when you consider EDH forces you to have only one of each. Is it elitism or is there merit to it?
>>98700921Bait.
>>98700962No I’m serious
>>98700919perfect, I'll play it
>>98699133>edhrec said so so it must be trueincorrect, blas act + repurcussion is b2 legal
>>98700726kobe is correct
>>98700921One could argue that ever since edh became the leading mtg format the design/balance team has been kind of pushed to make cards that are simply more efficient because there is now an expectation that a card has to be powerful enough to enable a strategy capable of killing three people instead of one, which makes modern magic cards feel very lopsided and swingy in 60 card constructed formats. On the other hand, you could also compare the standard bans from pre 2017 to the mountain of bans that came after and conclude that they maybe fired all their competent designers or there is simply not enough time for playtesting now that they roll out a new set every two months. I myself highly suspect that everyone at wizards being terrible at their jobs is the true cause of standard being a shit format.
>>98701004>opponent plays a mana dork, a creature that makes a token on enter, and his commander>other players do similar lines>turn 5>I play repercussion + blas act without any ramp>I winheh, sorry chuds, maybe next time don't play creatures in the Timmy creature bracket?
>>98700921Eh, it's still the most fun format to me but the problem is that it has gotten super optimized in a lot of circles to where you can't durdle nearly as much as the "play your big ass card" format was designed for initially so instead of big fuck off 8 cost guys you're getting smacked by a cmc 3 or less commander turn 2
>>98700921There are so many redundant cards that make your 100 cards deck basically the same thing as standard where you have 4 copies of each card anyway.If you want card diversity and fun, you need to just play at bracket 2 where people are playing precons or jank piles for fun. The more "powerful" you go up in commander in power, the more everyone is still running the same cards, card effects. and win cons and its really no different than 60 card competitive.
>>98701022>isn't infinite damage>isn't a guaranteed win like thoracle>relies on your opponents all playing creatures (some b2 decks *gasp* don't)>edhrec retards even confuse dualcaster+twinflame combo as 2-card when it requires another creature so it's actually 3-cardsorry fren, bracket discussion is all about knowing your outs, maybe next time never leave your rule 0 bubble?
>98700574Why do we allow such abhorrent postings
>>98701050based opinion and artist choice.>>98700288Golden Era of Commander is now, Primetime is about to be unbanned, Reality Fracture is the set of the year, I have 2 pods that play and 3 different nights at close by FLGSes. Still motivated to make decks (going for 32 still). Things are good.
these are some guys from my lgs (names have been changed), rate how unbearable they sound from the least to the most>me: always plays monoblack because he has the most fun with it, avoids using mechanics that would lead to lengthy turns, ok with everything except cedh>tyler: got into magic with ff ub, his decks are mostly made of ub stuff, chill guy he just likes to play characters he likes in form of cardboard>karl: he has rules knowledge comparable to a judge and he is a honest fellow, tends to play convoluted johnny decks that take long turns although he explains every move he does>jones: hilarious yet jittery, tends to make misplays and asking takebacks, sometimes he gets pissy if not allowed to takeback>micky: always plays decks that revolve around infinite combos, if too many of the combo pieces gets exiled or discarded he usually scoops regardless of his boardstate
>>98701136Anyone who takes 20 minute turns is a supreme faggot. I sometimes play "oops all counterspell" just so I can cancel that shit.>warn people that I'll counter them if they try to do a 20 minute turn, even if it's not a profitable thing for me to do>people piss and shit themselves when I can celebrate their combos and tell them to get it over with
>>98701050why can't this be in minthara colors...
What are some fun commanders for running all of the 'Sword of X and X' cards? My buddy is making an alter for me based on the final boss of our Final Fantasy D20 campaign but I've no idea what card to pick. Pic related is the character.
sword of netflix and chill
>>98701267gilgamesh cloud and firion all seem like obvious candidates
>>98700288EDH was at its best when it was still called EDH and Wizards wasn't designing standard sets around it.
>>98701201based
>>98701267he looks like Minwu, cool
Quentin, this combo was super gay and super retarded and I’m gonna abuse the fuck out of this combo as much as I possibly can.
>>98701278Gilgamesh would be strange to helm it because he's an active character in the campaign. Definitely in the 99 though. Cloud, while definitely one of the strongest options, is a little too good if that makes sense. Firion is a great idea though. I'd totally forgot he exists. Definitely a fantastic consideration.>>98701313If he wasn't explicitly a Mystic Knight in lore I'd 100% use Minwu for resemblance alone.
>>98701317daring today, are we
>>98701317see, it's for things like these that I always run some Duress or Extract effects
>>98701317If you're going to be an asshole, be an ACTUAL asshole.
>>98701267The one and only fashion model lady. Tape some swords to her and give her double strike to instagib people.
>>98701326I know you already shot down Cloud but there are 3 different mythic Cloud commanders in W, RW and RGW, and all 3 of them are designed to work with the Buster Sword which is so similar to the swords of X&Y that all 3 of them work together too.Syr Gwyn gives you a more accurate creature type line for a Mystic Knight (imo) and lets you spread the swords around in a knight tribal deck instead of going Voltron. idk which fits the boss's lore / personality better. Gil could still go in the list since Gwyn has Rwild card pick, Kellan the Fae Blooded gives you a tutor for a sword in the CZ and rewards you for going wide and suiting him up. (just ignore that Faerie type, it probably won't come up...)
>>98701361needs haste too
Did you guys see the Foundations precon lists?They're actually really stacked for 30 bucks and come with new fullarts for the commanders, i think i'll get the dragon one.
>>98701398I’ve already preordered the zombie and angel ones for $40 each. Thinking of getting the green one too so I can rework it into a funny Loot deck. I think it would be hilarious if I optimised it to the point it was cEDH tier.
>>98701361>>98701391These are both really good options as well. Syr Gwyn was definitely the first thought that came to mind but ultimately decided against it since I do want to go voltron/the six mana is a a hefty price. , Lighting and Cloud, Planet's Champion is a good fit too and Kellan is a really neat pick. I'll definitely consider them and if I end up in those colors. I think I'm sold on Firion though. He's very unique, will keep the power level a little lower for the casuals at my pod, and lets me go all in on the equipment theme. Do I shit my pants and explode if someone casts vandalblast? Absolutely. But it's probably fine. I can always throw him in the 99 of one of the other options if it doesn't work out.
>>98701398I am rather surprised, since I figured they'd be closer to the Starter commander decks that had a lot of cheap cards.These seem really worthwhile provided it's possible to find them near MSRP.
>>98701398black and green lists have the best value imo?
>>98701439Maybe yah, red has some kinda big cards like utvara hellkite tho and i could use it as a solid base to finally build the Rivaz deck i've always wanted
>>98701439Those are the best, but the others aren't far behind. Blue also has a couple of $10+ cards, and White/Red each have a handful of decently pricey angels/dragons.
>>98701267Ekthi so all your swords come in the form of 3/3 creaturesKellan the fae blooded or mono w cloud to search for your fav sword and have it trigger twice
>>98701398yeah, I preordered the black oneI got lucky, I was just thinking "I'd like to build a zombie deck" and there it is
>>98701393This card is big news for any red 3 drop commander that wants to hit the board and start getting busy right away. Curves straight into them.
>>98701668Yeah, I need it for my Anim Pakal deck.
>>98701415Anon the amount of work it'd need to get there would make it a different deck.
>>98701668me on the left
>>98701668If wotch was daring they'd print this in white
Too bad Lightning doesn't go in Arabella
>>98701415I don't think you fully grasp how large the gap is between a monoG precon and a cEDH deck. No matter how much you pimp that deck out, you're not going to be seeing meaningful results with that as your commander. Terrible color identity (so you can't build midrange) and extremely weak text on the commander (by cEDH standards, so no turbo or control)
>>98701668yup... added to my Vincent
>>98701881https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh0I1HNYbt4not so fast
>>98701668>black strong women warriorNope
>>98701109Bring back tuckUnban zesty elfProxy goodProxy badFuck GotCUnban PrimeTime, its coming, 2 more weeks.Gay Bolas.This didn't happen by the wayDid I hit most of the acceptable talking points?>>98701415Think high 4 is possible, not CEDH though, either way don't let your dreams be memes.
Holy Mana Guy WCreature - ClericT: Add W to your mana pool1/1
>>98700288confession: i kinda like the hexhaven factions more than the strixhaven factions.i know emrakul destroy hexhaven but i hope that the people go to another plane, as refugee.id love for them to go to alara. it would give WOTC a reason to visit my favorite plain a second time.fatehold in bant, konstrari and vigorbloom in naya, theorix in esper and stingerquill in jund.
>>98702030They could have done a lot of interesting things with the echo verse if they stopped being retarded and thinking every story only needs one set, especially big stories like the Multiversal invasion or this, which should be at least 3 sets, but no. Gotta go, go go go go
>>98701994you forgot to kill yourself
>>98702003Each colour, except green, should receive 5 of these creatures all with different names.
>>98701994As much as I appreciate the encouragement with making a cEDH loot deck I don’t appreciate the loli goblin, Vaush can you please for the love of god never post that shit again this isn’t /v/.
>>98702069That looks like a loli to you? If you say so
>>98702133Can you generate a gyaru gobbo next, maybe for one of the Strix/Hex students
I hate goblin slop poster
>>98702146I hated this, but here you go.
What card won your last game?>turn 11>multiple board wipes already>graveyard is fat>mono white player holding it down with soul sisters sun titan shenanigans and authority of the counsels giving them a buffer of life while slowing us down>two of us left team up on him and exile a bunch of stuff so we can get some damage in>he's down to 2 health>wraths the board again, then casts another soul sister and gets back sun titan to bring back authority of counsels>herewegoagain.jpg>I cast pic related>all my shit comes in, his life goes up to 64, and all my shit is tapped>aura shards, Sheoldred (OG) and cursed maurader come out too decimating his board state>pass the turn>mono white player now in top deck mode>concedes
>>98702212Just casually making 5 copies of etali, untapping him and all my lands and making 5 more.
>>98702133>>98702210Gob-homie you have a place you post all of your stuff? Feel like I missed a few.Also keep it up, the salt you induce has been extremely entertaining.
>>98702218>me on top
>>98702218I could make one, but project for another day.
>>98702222appreciated when/if you do homie.
>>98702218>i like the salt, not the """"quality""" of the proxiesfuck off enabling it for no reason other than further pissing people off who are correctly pissed off about eyesore spam
>>98701881Cabbage merchant is feasting on the cEDH meta with one of the best conversion win rates in tournament cEDH- which to be fair is an extremely gay format built around politicking and gaslighting people.
>>98702243Cabbage merchant punishes people for playing the game in the same way smothering and rhystic does, that's why he's good. Loot doesn't do that, he's just worse kinnan.
>>98702243The text on Cabbage Merchant is drastically better although I agree with the rest.
>>98702237>salty gift that keeps on givingKEK you the same tard that keeps calling em lolis?Like that grifter 'journalist' that called the big tiddy sorceress in dragon's crown a pedo magnet. Hope you go to my LGS when these hit my pod's table
>>98702281nta but "goblin shortstacks" are a pedo pipeline
>>98702371Trying too hard.
>>98702371Can be ≠ Is."Drinking water is a pipeline to murder!"Reminds me of the bullshit how troon's try to co-opt tomboy girls. Liking fuck nuggets doesn't mean you a pedo tardnon, or do small/petite WOMEN not deserve dickings as well?
https://moxfield.com/decks/vSWgAY9y33iRVfcHWBAw5gSomeone make me a Miku deck!I clearly can't do shit while drunk. I know you can just do the usual fuckery of infinite 1/1 token spam, but I want to focus on making tokens of big shot with Populate, as well as lifegain to use with the reservoir. I THINK I'm heading in the right direction here, but I think I need more lands and draw (e.g. vaultborn, trouble in pairs, sylvan library, etc).Last thread someone was mean and it kind of derailed the whole discussion I started : (
can you guys make my Miku deck?i made it low/barely-mid bracket 4 but i just wanted a high power bracket 3 deckeven better if it can reduce the cost for upgradingi actually also really like the non infinite combo win cons you guys have postedhttps://archidekt.com/decks/26387232/miku_upgrade?sort=cmc&stack=customi started playing in July of this year so i dont really know what im doing and the infinite combos came from a decklist analyzerim not taking out the miku cards (maybe except vorinclex only if other players arent ok with it)also gotta decide on the side and maybeboard stuff
>minthara deck: go through a thousand hops so I can get a 2 mana 10/1>Green deck: every time I play a land I get 20 power
>>98702546Well yeah Minthara sucks dog balls. I swear to god I've watched a dozen waifufags kill themselves trying to make this piece of shit work because it has a girl they wanna fuck in the art. Even with more proliferate in BW from the phyrexia sets and more experience counter stuff in avatar it still sucks complete ass. If she goes back to the command zone even once the game is basically just over. Coombait commanders like this one trick poor horny timmies into wasting time and money trying to fix worthless cards.
>>98702546It’s actually kind of aggravating, green is such a crutch.
>>98702537>>98702541Same fag? also here’s my upgraded miku deck if you want recommendations. https://archidekt.com/decks/26359767/fuck_it_upgraded_miku_precon_fuck_being_original
>>98702573I love it! it's just like everyone else's so it feels more unified and official ^.^
Tired of playing against the same decks in forge, I tried handing them mine but they have absolutely no idea how to play them maybe they're all shit.
>>98700288How the fuck do I build this guy
>>98698941Gather specimens Containment priest Theoretical duplication Hallowed moonlight
>>98702546>Crack fetch>Get a fucking emblemOugh fuuuck my shitty bottom 3 orzhov commander is so oppressed by the green decks why are they so good at making a creature so big I just have no way to deal with a big creature with white and green uggghhh fuck my shitty commander
>>98702739Where are they all going?
>>98702568I mean that should be every commander deck, trying to turn a meme tier piece of shit you want to fuck the art on into a scuffed wincon, that's the best way to play
>>98702706forge's ai is basic, it should be giving you a warning about which cards it can't play wellfor more extensive testing you could go on untap.in or similar sites
>>98702725Animate artifacts into creatures to unlock weird combos.Stack stax effects that only effect creatures.Ramp into infinite mana.Got a decklist if you need inspiration.https://manabox.app/decks/0S7abgV8RiSoHQ9NuMkVaQ
>>98702770just don't let it cast bontu
>>98701133i made an entire deck around you
>>98702210Sounds like you have very strong/defined tastes yet you deliver to anons in their time of sneedI respect that
>>98702840Does it sac everything?
>>98702968yes
>Thread question2016 thru 2018 represents a special era for Commander for me. I had just started playing Magic, it was my first TCG now that I was an adult with money, and I bought almost every precon from that era. I would buy a set of precons and we would play "precon battle royales". I had a pod of friends that played with me in my Mom's basement, (where I was living at the time). This was before buddy moved away, and before other-buddy became a vocal /pol/-chud. I was still learning the rules and all the backlog of cards at this time, so things were shiny and new. I only played Commander once a week, so I supplemented my play with the then recent Magic Duels videogame client. Good times.
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>>98703144Do you still play any commanders from that period or have you dropped all of them?
>>98703186Around 2024 I was moving, and I took that opportunity to downsize/liquidate my collection, and for a split second I thought I was 'quitting Magic', so I parted with a lot of stuff indiscriminately. The only two decks I still from that era are 'Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis', and Lord Windgrace (neither of which I play often). I don't even have sore feelings about it, because physically my collection was too large and filled with too much chaff, and being able to start fresh playing more recent Commanders / decks was quite pleasant.
>>98701789>Egyptians>white
I think this is the better polymorph commander that we got in recent years.
I do like the Card Advantage for Madness, but I just can't beat Tovolar with it
>>98703323Yes.
>>98703437anon those are mummies the bandages aren't their skin
>>98703144I dun wanna play just another Edgar Markov deck mane
>>98703452Is this racism towards the spanish??
B U S T E DUSTED
>>98703387This card sucks for polymorph. You need to stick her then cast a noncreature spell THEN target the token for polymorph.
I SWEAR I can make it work PLEASE, lemme just..
>>98703525
>>98703525...and then...
>>98703532?
Oh never mind this is a spammer.
>>98703536What, you don't think doing 5 Damage, getting a 4/4 and a creature from my geaveyard for 5 Mana would be a good Turn?Why not, you stupid bastard?
>>98703559the creature card was already in your hand before you discarded it
>>98703568Yes, that's the point, right?
Give me your favorite sauce. For the first time in a good while there's no commander currently on the horizon that I really want to build. I did trade for a Roaming Throne recently so maybe I'll factor that into my next deck but nothing's sticking out atm.If I wanted to be super lazy I'd do Ur-Sphinx as an excuse to play my beloved Sphinx Ambassador. But I fear he's randomly going to be a $30 card.
>>98703605I wouldn't mind being pointed in the direction of a commander or strategy that requires some effort on the player's part either. Probably my favorite deck from this year turned out to be Errant & Giada flash/control, and obviously the deck builds itself in-part. But finding the little synergies. Realizing how oppressive Appa can get with a board full of flash creatures. It felt really good finding the right cards and assembling those board states, even if I had to disassemble it because players were getting less and less enthused.
>>98703605>Roaming ThroneThat's a cool Artifact
>>98703623It's a little slop in that it's a ubiquitous tribal staple, but the guy wanted a Coffers and Thrasios from my trade binder so I didn't really see any other option. But it is simply a card you can jam in the vast majority of tribal decks. Or even decks where your commander's trigger is in need of doubling.
Maybe Wilson bear tribal is finally on the menu. Which would you build him with? Folk Hero or Haunted One? Folk Hero gives some free card advantage just for playing your strategy, but Haunted One is immensely powerful when it's online. Especially when Wilson is such an immediately aggressive commander. The vigilance makes him a little bit clunky, but it also works in your favor. It lets you save your combat tricks for after blockers are declared (there are plenty of lands that tap creatures, artifacts too, not to mention Earthcraft)
>>98703653Ah fuck maybe not. Beorn ROCKETED some bears. What the fuck do you mean this piece of garbage is $20?
>>98703669it was always good enough to be like $5 but yeah Beorn made good bears go crazy
>>98703669disgusting
>>98703653I like "Once upon a Time"
>>98703712Lel
>>98703500who's the best polymorph commander?
>>98703733Dang
>>98703736There isn't one. Although the gay new Jace is a pretty solid contender just for putting the effect in the command zone. It depends what you want from the deck. It's partner slop, but I found Rog to be an incredibly efficient half for the strategy since he's 0 mana. Scales to your table too since you can just switch out polymorph targets bracket-depending.
>>98703525Does this give it a use case?
>>98703829I like the way you're thinking
>>98703748>Sensei's Divining TopBEGONE
I don't know about this
Falkenrath Gorger is a sweet 1 drop
How many additional combat phase cards are too many in a deck that wants to take advantage of attack triggers with pic related?
So I've built a few decks on my own now, and I'm kinda annoyed that I'm constantly falling into the same routine despite having various colors and archetypes. It seems you ALWAYS want to have as much draw as possible, as well as fetches/shocks whenever possible.
>>98704171Depends on your deck. Mana fixing is generally good, though it becomes way less of a problem in 2c.
>>98704171just play less colors
I preordered Vigorbloom for $20. I believe it will actually end up as a $35-$40 card as simply one of the best lifegain cards ever printed.Feel free to roast me.
>>98704212>one of the best lifegain cardsThat's not Venser's Journal though
>>98704212>another "gain a bajillion life and kill people with Aetherflux" deckyawn
>>98704171Ah dear sweet anon has finally learned that as fun as the "100 card do anything" format sounds on paper, about 80% of your list will simply be lands and staples you're an idiot not to be running.Fret not, anon, for those remaining 20 slots are yours to be creative with.But in all seriousness, lands and draw are the backbone of this game. You need to be including robust packages for this. It makes your deck more consistent, and a more consistent deck immediately plays better regardless of how janky it would otherwise be
>>98704101>How much money is too much when I already have 30,000 saved Its your win con, put as many in as you can.
>>98704226>>another "gain a bajillion life and kill people with Aetherflux" deckI mean not really. I probably make a shit lot of Lotuses, then I turn that into even more Lotuses with For the Common Good or Second Harvest, and then I crack all my Lotuses to play some insane X spell or ability. If I was just going to win with Aetherflux what would even be the point of making Lotuses?
>>98704171Card draw is broad enough that you can usually tailor your package to the theme.No winning on the lands, though. But leaving out shocks/fetches is great way to "power down" a deck without sacrificing the fun parts.
>>98704242It's actually the worst possible way to power down a deck. If your strategy is strong but your manabase is ass, you're just going to have swingier games.
What is the final verdict on the new mono color starter decks?
>>98704263they sure are starter decks
>>98704263Love that new Gisa art, she looks proper nuts. I think its the eyes
>>98704258swapping your fetches and shocks for mostly taplands and basics is going to slow you way down regardless of good the rest of the deck is. And game speed is apparently the only important part of brackets.
>>98704273Yes, but that's not going to change the nature of the strategy you are running. If it's genuinely oppressive slowing it down with shit lands isn't going to make it feel any less oppressive when it does its thing.It's like running an early two-card combo without tutors. You can say "well I don't have tutors for the cards, so it's fine." But it's gonna suck ass those games you randomly luck into it.
>>98704229I was afraid of that, Aggravated Assault and Karlarch or however that bg3 chick's name is spelled are kinda expensive. Guess i can proxy but still
>>98704295https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Aextra-combat-phase+f%3AEDH+id%3Arakdos&unique=cards&as=grid&order=nameYou don't need either of those cards. In fact Aggravated Assault is bad outside boring combo.
>>98704295You don't need all the extremely expensive ones
>>98704309yeah but then you have to run Full Throttle
>>98704263Seconding >>98704264Some $5 reprints. Okay builds, just extremely simplistic and almost seemingly designed for children.I dunno man, I got into Commander during covid and I would not have been happy to spend money on a precon or even just build a deck myself that was as boring as these. I wanted to find something that excited me and build around that. I really don't know why all Magic starter products treat people like they're 90 IQ and need the most simplistic mechanics delivered to them. Draft really should be the entry point for the game, and even where it's not I feel like after 3 or 4 games most people have got it enough that they can play something with more going on- not even "complex" but literally just more than the bare minimum of mechanics this game has to offer
>>98704283>It's like running an early two-card combo without tutors.limiting early infinites/altwincons to certain turns is the backbone of what brackets are, doesn't matter if the combo is 5 pieces or 3 or your commander is a 1 card combo
>>98704350>i don't know why mtg starter products are very simplistic and made for 90 iq people>i really don't get itlooks like you're not high iq yourself
>>98704456>durrrrrrrr it's dumb cos people r dumbCircular logic you backwards spasticThe entire context of that notion was that I did not need such a crutch when I got into Commander and would have found it boring if I'd been given one. Most people are not, in fact, 90 IQ
>>98704350>Magic starter products treat people like they're 90 IQ and need the most simplistic mechanics delivered to them.because they want you to upgrade them>Draft really should be the entry point for the game20 bucks to get your ass smashed because you thought that 5 mana legendary was cool and don't know what a good 2 drop looks like.
>>98704525>>Magic starter products treat people like they're 90 IQ and need the most simplistic mechanics delivered to them.>because they want you to upgrade themNormal precons are meant to be upgraded (especially the fucking lands, jesus) and they aren't built to be simplistic.These precons are because they're Foundations products. It is because they are for new players and not because they are meant to be upgraded.>>Draft really should be the entry point for the game>20 bucks to get your ass smashed because you thought that 5 mana legendary was cool and don't know what a good 2 drop looks like.This comment is funny because I genuinely don't know whether you're trying to describe the Draft experience of a new player, or the experience of playing one of these precons I learned Magic through Draft. Sit near the lanky autist who knows every card ever printed that every LGS has, and ask him for as little or as much help as you want. He's nice and will be more than happy to explain BREAD picks during the selection phase, and then help you build the best deck you can with your picks if you ask.I dunno man maybe you're 90 IQ and that's why you struggled at Draft and now think these Foundations products are just underpowered instead of being unexciting
>>98704350>"Why doesn't wotc specifically cater to my personal experience of learning the game which is clearly the right way?"Bruh, the core rules of this game is for ages 12 and up; it's not meant to be difficult to pick up. You just got hauled into it in your 30's making you susceptible to the deeper rules and aspects.
>>98704273>swapping your fetches and shocks for mostly taplands and basics is going to slow you way down Not really if you understand how to look at your pips and curve.
>>98704476>why aren't all precons hearthull level?!your projection is showing your 90 iq level actually
>>98704563>Bruh, the core rules of this game is for ages 12 and up;I haven't seen someone that young play Magic in about 3 years now. The youngest person at my LGS is 16 and he goes there with his dad who was playing before he was born.Don't quote bullshit on the packaging like it means anything. People who make fun of card games will say this same "it's for children!!!!!" shit to delegitimize your hobby.>it's not meant to be difficult to pick upAnd it isn't, and even children are perfectly capable of playing Magic out the box at a higher level than WotC's design team seems to think so>You just got hauled into it in your 30's making you susceptible to the deeper rules and aspects.The funny thing is I actually got into card games through Yugioh as a child, and that 2010s era when I played was more complex than Magic generally. The only complexity in Magic mechanically is keyword bloat and the extremes of rules autism like layers. Aside from that it's just about thinking ahead and knowing when to spend resources
>>98704572>he's offended by people calling mtg 'a children's card game'>he thinks yugioh is more complex than mtg>he calls out foundations for being go-wide tribal when yugioh is also all about tribal, his high iq didn't see this of courseyep, a /ygo/ retard got lost here lmao
>>98704579>I'M LAUGHING SO I'M WINNIIIIIINGOh hey it's one of those 12 year olds the game is made for
>Come back>DBZ reaction image>Most retarded argument imaginableYep, it's /edhg/
>>98704600>meanwhile his card game is for 6+HAHAHAHAHA
>>98704315>he doesn't love Loot
>>98704603ygo has always been the middle child of the big three and their community acts accordingly
>>98704612>YGO>6+I am now trying to imagine a 6 year old struggling to read all the tiny text on modern cards while French Kaiba shits on them.
having a two drop commander is the best feeling in the world
I don't know if you can tell from this image, but my double sleeved card looks a little bent and it's making me worried. Is it supposed to be like that? I have a 67mmx92mm art sleeve on the inside and a clear matte outer sleeve.Are there specific outer sleeves for that size?
>>98704476nta so I'll drop my take but I'm not getting involved in the rest of this argument between two retards.The average MtG player is dumb, extremely dumb. We're talking "couldn't understand shroud as a mechanic" dumb. We're talking "draw no longer targets because they would click their opponent on MTGO" dumb.Look at the Lathliss precon for example. The card advantage is absolutely horrendous and it's easily fixed with just more wheels and impulse draw, even accounting for reprint equity. The problem is that the average player is dumber than a bag of rocks and can't figure out how to access more of their deck, or that this might even be something important. "Exile the top two cards of my library? What if I hit my 8-drop and can't cast it? Better wait 5 turns to see if I hard draw a land." It's very hard to argue "don't pander to retards" when retards have historically been the majority of your consumers and it costs very little effort to not have Timmy's first deck be a choice between Gitrog and Storm, saving those cards for the much more lucrative boosters that you can entice players with once they've figured out the toddler decks you started them with.I mean hell, look at the average Commander player right now. You get people asking "are there any cards that are the exact same thing as Vandalblast?" when they want a sweeper that unconditionally and exclusively clears their opponent's board. Then against all odds you show them Anzrag's Rampage and they go "oh but it exiles some cards from my library so I don't want Vandalblast + Sneak Attack on one card :((("That's the average person WotC has to design product for. The dumbest fucking person you ever knew that's unironically asking why every boardwipe isn't Cyclonic Rift that exiles for the manacost of Blasphemous Act.
>>98704633but then you can't ramp into it.surely a 3drop commander with ramp on t1 feels better.
>>98704636Is a foil? Foils becomes Pringles on their own.
>>98704698It's bending regular cards too.
>>98704703What inner/sleeves are you using? I personally use dragonshield inners and mattes.
>>98704670>but then you can't ramp into it>T1 land, Sol Ring, Arcane Signet, Mox OpalYou're small-time.
>>98704737I'm using these character sleeves. They're not dragon shield so I guess I can't mix and match.
>>98704309I prefer my extra combats spell based. reduces the interaction window of my opponents compared to permanents.
>>98704784You gotta be careful, yeah. They either don't fit and bend like that, or they're too long and poke out the top.
>>98704636Is the card in it a foil?
>>98704889>>98704703
Having fun with this deck. Missing a sneak attack and a mass hysteria, but it's fun. Or I could blow it up and rebuild isshin out of it. I usually stall, but if I have a good opening hand I can kill everyone Thoughts?
>>98704897Yep my bad. Are you in area with high humidity?
>>9870491348 percent according to my thermometer. I just put the cards in both sleeves today though.
>>98700921Commander is the most popular format for various reasons yesAnd yes the increased focus on EDH has caused other formats to suffer with cards printed with it in mind. This occurs not only in the case of standard-legal cards being designed primarily to be appealing to EDH players (see: Vivi, Badgermole Cub), but also with cards that were printed in "Commander-only" product but are still legal in Legacy and Vintage due to the way those formats work. Picrel is an example, Mono-W initiative is an entire deck in Vintage despite the entire initiative mechanic being designed for and only printed in a Commander set.
>>98705548sticker goblin is an even better example, they had to ban an entire mechanic from unshitty because it was too strong
>>98705572nothing in unfinity should have been black border in the first place
>>98700288>play dack one time>keep hitting the flickerguyshuhkind of a nightmare to resolve desu
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>>98704903i hate ub but i think ares' effect is cooler than isshin
I really just want to make deck that's all about cards like triple triad and gambling effects. It'll be dogshit I'm sure but I really just want to return to bracket 2 piles.Maybe when Gambit comes out he can be my leader for Poker Night at the EDC
>>98705601Gambling is fun. Do a little dance.
>>98705601Have you heard about our lady and savior Neera?
>>98705601Play Mr House if you're a UBpiggy and Yusri if you're not>>98705660Neera is fun but it's not "gambling". You know what's in your deck, the randomness is just if and when you get it.I think anon wants something where the actual outcomes feel random
>>98705635Oh baby that's getting added>>98705660I have not because blue is a mystery color to me I'm usually more Boros, Naya or Orzhov, she's got a cool effect
>>98705680>I'm usually more Boros, Naya or OrzhovMr House is mardu
>>98705678Bingo on how you read me. I want some RNG to fuck on me/fuck on the table, and just kind of have some laughs you can't always get in a more focused deck
>>98705686https://edhrec.com/commanders/mr-house-president-and-ceo/die-rollHave at it
>>98705682>MarduI like those colorsThanks to you guys, I'm actually gonna start making a skeleton soon I think>>98705689Oh hell yeah, I'll have to look this over
>>98705601Has Gambit been spoiled yet? I hate marvelshit on principle but he's one of the few characters from it that are actually cool
>>98705575that's just the kikes as Hasbro forcing Maro to make everything legal in Commander
>>98705695They've been making him a turbo simp for Rogue lately so I really wouldn't be surprised if they print him at uncommon and he's just there to be in the 99 for whatever Rogue does. Wish I were joking but between Rivals and Xmen 97 that's how it's going.In Rivals the ONLY plush accessory of Gambit is him in a maid costume. We got Jeff and Deadpool cat maid skins, so they're either sitting on the Gambit one or the CCP said that putting Gambit in a maid costume was too gay for a Chinese company to be allowed and it's been axed. We may never know
>>98703653>vigilance>whenever this creature becomes tappedfolk hero unless you want to jump through even more hoops retard
>>98705717>forcing MaroMaRo is a corporate stooge. He has outright said that when he was told to design for Commander he didn't want to (seemingly more of an ego thing, don't get all excited about him being based or some shit). He could have cashed his chips in then and there and just walked away, but he chose not to. He doesn't have to be "forced" to do anything by Hasbro, he is their willing yes-man
>>98704563I am tired of this "You can't enjoy anything after 30" shit.
>>98705695Not yet no, I'm just assuming he's Izzet or Grixis because this got shown in a secret lair and have been kind of building with that in mind. He and Cap are like the only two Marvel guys that I still have a lot of love and nostalgia for so I'm gonna build Remy out of principle even if he ends up kind of ass
>>98704212Don't you have better things to do with 6 mana in green than get more mana for gaining life? What's next finale into felidar sovereign? Aetherflux? Whats the extra mana for? Helix Pinnacle?
>>98705747It angers me so much that they wasted the idea of classic romance novel covers on Marvel shit
>>98705750>Whats the extra mana for?To crush my enemies. I don't need a reason to make +12 mana per rotation in functionally-better treasures. The mere fact that this card does something other selesnya spells do not makes it valuable
>>98705741That's not what that post says at allGet your eyes checked boomer
>>98705721Like I get that is a respectable part of his character and it's nice that they have a relationship in Marvel shit that actually is really stable compared to other couples, but a lot of writers seem to fucking forget all his solo stories where she might show up for a cameo, but otherwise he's doing his own thing and she's not on his mind every second, considering how much of his own character he is compared to a lot of other X-Men it's really a missed opportunity.That said, I really doubt that he'd just be an uncommon, considering how popular he still is despite some writers being retarded with him recently. Though my autistic ass thinks it would be kind of cool thematically if he was grixis and she was like naya so they could never really "touch" in a deck dedicated with either as a commander and would have to be put under a 5 color commander like professor x or something to actually fight together, just as a nod to how their relationship started
>>98705757You're still a tard for buying this at 20. If you're already at 6 mana you should be looking at doing something other than making more mana. Finale into wincon boredom and the memes I mentioned above are the only reason to play it.
>>98705601That would be bracket 1
>>98705784a deck with some form of gameplan that can feasibly win is not bracket 1depending on how you build it a gamblecore deck can be pretty fucking gnarly, although this clearly isn't what he's going for
>>98705782>>>/co/
>>98705793NTA but that post is plenty on-topic and nobody complained about the same shit happening with FIN
>>98705782>Though my autistic ass thinks it would be kind of cool thematically if he was grixis and she was like naya so they could never really "touch" in a deck dedicated with either as a commander and would have to be put under a 5 color commander like professor x or something to actually fight together, just as a nod to how their relationship startedMore likely they're going to share colors. If they don't, as one of the few stable relationships in Marvel that anyone's actually heard of, they might even get partner or some variation like those fucking turtles>Partner - To Me My X-men (You can have two commanders if both have this ability)
>>98705783>i just don't get it, if you have 6 mana why would you want 12 mana?
>>98705789It's not really bracket 2 either as it will be curb stomped by even the started precons
>>98705804>It's totally gonna 2x in price guise
>>98705806that's a very bold statement about something that doesn't even have a decklist based on a card that doesn't exist yet (assuming he wants to go with gambit)the problem with gambling-heavy decks is not that they're weak, it's that they can be really fucking obnoxious to play against if you don't have some kind of clear wincon or deterministic outcome, in the same way theft or stax is annoying house is a perfectly viable commander for example
>>98703205I need to downsize my collection but I'm always gripped by the fear I'll miss some card I get rid off. I say this while having boxes and binders full of chaff taking up a lot of space. But maybe that junk rare or uncommon will turn out to be what I need!
>>98705808It depends where you buy. Card Kingdom has it for $14.99 but TCGPlayer has it at $27. So I'm right in the middle between these two estimates and I think it's going to go up.Mana cheating is good, simple as that.
>>98705827Generally when people say roast me they're ok with being called out for being a dumb faggot with more money than sense. It's just ok, overvalued at 20 and definitely not a 40 dollar card.
>>98704212I think the OPT strongly limits it. Only somewhat since gaining life on other turns in WG is as hard as breathing, but it's not the absurd rapist combo piece it would need to command that price.
>>98705846Who says I'm not okay? I'm just arguing my corner cos your arguments are bad lol>>98705851>I think the OPT strongly limits it.4 times a rotation is already plenty, they're tokens so they can be multiplied really easily, and they literally just printed white Displacer Kitten so "OPT" means nothing if you can make other creatures enter>not the absurd rapist combo piece it would need to command that price.Eh I think you're exagerrating there. Some cards just attain that price by being the only card that does that particular thing. Bloodthirsty Conqueror is a good example. Ostensibly a 5 mana flier with one half an infinite combo shouldn't be $35, and yet it is because that side of the combo has only ever been printed like twice. The other side has been printed dozens of times and only comes to about $8, even when they printed it on a creature that automatically comes back when it dies
If "Creature is bad if it doent have ETB/ Haste/ Hexproof/ Ward/ Indestructible" cause is "Do nothing" or "Dies to removal".Why than not make more permanents with Exit The Battle Field abilities?
>>98705913blox you're path
>>98705942Love this card. Shame that it's symmetrical so also fucks a lot of decks you put it in. I like forcing "fair Magic" by just shutting off all the bullshit free value decks are built around, but in decks running white draw is something you have to fight tooth and nail for unless you have the budget for the ONLY good white card draw cards
>>98705942who said Dying is the only way to leave the Battlefield?
There's too many exile effects now and all dying triggers no longer work anyway.
>>98705970Dying, Exile, Bounce, Flicker. All those are Exit The Battlefield Effects.
>>98705913>Why than not make more permanents with Exit The Battle Field abilities?It's not like it's never been done, but they kind of want to preserve the sanctity of Exile as the "get out and stay out" feature of the game. Value on exile devalues exile as a whole.
>>98705913>Why than not make more permanents with Exit The Battle Field abilities?Boy howdy do I have a set for you
>>98705999Exile should be devalued
Now this is podracing
>>98706002>>98705999Exile can remain Exile, but leaving to Exist should not count as devalue. >>98706000I said more. I know cases exist (mostly dying).
>>98706010>they gave simic an entire theme of leaving the battlefield without dying just 3 years ago but I am still not contentOkay.
>>98706002>Ugh my big dinosaur got hit by StP once this is so antifun!
>>98704263They're good bang for their buck as cheap mono color piles of reprints that will drive down the price of cards that shouldn't be so expensive. Pic related. But I can't help but wish we'd see real new mono color precons instead of 2c and 3c precons every set.
>every time you cast a creature spell conjure a Black Lotus>it's not going to be a $30 cardPrice spike imminent on Oltec Matterweaver by the way.
>>98706238>>it's not going to be a $30 cardWhat? It's easily gonna be a commander all star, $60~75 after fluctuations.
>>98706279All "Jace Empower" will probably enable this
>>98706238Yet another combo with my BFF Whitemane Lion!
>still the the under-song green card decades later
>>98706364Well it kind of turns the whole board into mayhem.People don't like playing cards that can kill you just as easily as win you the game.
>>98706364>everyone gets Haste >But Green. Too many potential downsides
>How can anyone enjoy this? Nobody's tutoring for their "unique" instant win combo or playing "I win" sorceries!
>>98706461If people perform game actions competently (finishing turns in less than 2 minutes) even the most dragged out boardwipe slog doesn't take long. Problem is there are too many literal retards in the format who can't do basic math.
>>98706364It's Hall of Gemstone actually.
>>98706461hot take: Magic was way better decades ago when the primary wincon was "making your opponents life = 0" and not these bullshit ass infinite combos
>>98706525that take is fucking arctic anon
>>98706566you'd be surprised after talking to nearly everyone at the two LGSs I go to. 99% of decks win by tutoring out an infinite combo
>>98706461WE MUST HOMOGENIZE AND PLAY ONLY STAPLES
>>98706461These retards make their living off of retarded takes. This same guy was one of the wave of tiny Commander channels (I assume they're all in some gay Discord where they came up with the idea for this) who was saying how actually mana rocks are bad because they don't advance your game plan, and then when giving examples of how you should build a deck started talking about fucking 2 CMC commanders.It's total clickbait bullshit.And by the way TrinketTard, we know you post this shit here for free advertizement
>>98706525There been Infinite Combo and T1 Kill combo since the 1st set of the game. The problem the game currently have is speed. Im open for them to try to "revamp" the game kinda like YGO did... do a test out. see if people like it, if not, scrap the idea. That is saying, change some rules, not print some weird as card.
>>98706613I just see him as a lowcow because basically every take he has is 0 IQ.
After 5+ years of consistently winning with Adeline I've decided to turn my mono white deck into this bunny.It seems relatively straight forward to build but was wondering if anyone had any unique recommendations. For one I know im gonna put in halo fountain lmfao.
>>98706613not the trinketard but being mana flooded is less worse than being manascrewed, there's a reason wotc never followed this up with a mana flood card
>indestructible allows creatures to ignore the amount of damage marked on themOh fuck has it always been like this? The way I've always played is if I have a 2/2 indestructible and it gets pinged for 1, then someone plays a -1/-1 effect on it, it dies due to its toughness "effectively" being 0
>>98706652A 2/2 with -1/-1 has 1 toughness. A creature does not die from 1 toughness.
>yet another faggot who doesn't have a phone to check actual rulings
>>98704309The gay turtles reprint made this card 3 dollars.
>>98706652That makes zero sense, because by your logic it should die if it got pinged twice.
>>98706659Anon be honest here, just how bad at reading ARE you???>2/2 indestructible and it gets pinged for 1, then someone plays a -1/-1 effect on it>gets pinged for 1>THEN someone plays a -1/-1 effect1+1=2, anon.
this can easily go infinite
>>98706667No, because it's indestructible, meaning damage can't destroy it. I always thought you can put infinite damage on it if needed cuz it can never be destroyed
>>98706613>>98706640For me it's 3/3 elk
>>98706675Hi elk, post bussy.
>>98706670Not the first time they printed a very easily attained infinite combo, not the last
>>98706525This unironically stopped being true in 2011 when Lab Man was printed and instantly became the best wincon in the format for 5 years, only being usurped because the RC in their infinite wisdom decided to unban Flash/Hulk (you know, the combo banned from Legacy in 2008) wasn't a problem, letting it take over cEDH. Ironically, the thing that finally got Flash banned was Thoracle getting printed, because you could get Thoracle + Celaphid Breakfast as your combo and both pieces were already independently strong.
>>98706668damage does not effect toughness
>>98706690Yeah hence me admitting to being retarded and doing it wrong, anon.
>>98706673Then why would it having a toughness of 1 (because of the -1/-1 effect) let the 1 damage it took destroy it?
>>98706699>Yeah hence me admitting to being retarded and doing it wrong, anon.
>>98706702Because I was retarded and thought "huh well timestamp rule is a thing, so it's "essentially" a 2/1 due to the 1 damage then -1 toughness kills it". See >>98706699
>>98706640>>98706675Pic related for you>>98706679He's a chubby autist who kind of looks like Adam from YMS.>>98706646It isn't. Screwed means you're missing land drops or don't have access to your colors. Being flooded means you keep drawing lands. You would ALWAYS rather be digging for lands than having nothing but lands and nothing to cast. Outside of white draw is everywhere in this game. If you're behind on lands or just otherwise behind the curve your deck plays on, you can dig yourself out by spending what you do have on draw. If you're a fucking retard and put 42 lands in your deck because Youtubers told you it was the mathematically optimal number to play (completely ignoring additional draws by the way), you will end up in situations where you draw, land, pass, because your top 4 cards on deck are lands and you have no way to dig through them to actual spells
Ugin (Any PW) On T3
>>98706732...are you playing Way of the Paradox on T2?
>>98706718tell me when there's an oops all spells deck in cedh anon, one that wouldn't be banned too because surely bypassing mana isn't broken at alluntil then i'll be doing nothing but generating massive amounts of mana, because apparently an anon like (You) told me i should rather prefer to be mana screwed with a fistful of cards i can't cast
>>98706732way of the trannyman why does jace's "daughter" look like that
I want to make a rabbit deck. Should I make Bumbleflower or BaylinBoth are gay
>>98706737T1 Land > Mana DorkT2 Land > WotP, Jace tokenT3 Land > Jace Loyalty > 2nd Land > ETS.
>>98706732i can't take jace's heel turn - much less the entire UW storyline - seriously
>>98706644My friend has that deck and its actual fucking aids to play against. Be warned you will get your teeth kicked in while playing it
>>98706750They rushed the story. they could have had expanded it a little. Like see Jace devolve into The Artificer when he saw that most of his Echo were worst than the original (only plane that has all upside seems to be Mirrodin). Then is when he refuses to accept he fucked up and star to "cut off" the parts of himself.
>friend says he doesn't have any "combo decks">all his decks are hyper optimized with no proxies>all either vomit out value from turn 2 or lock you out of playing>gets pissy when I play Will and take 4 extra turns
>>98706732Hey look I can make bullshit up too>t1 Sol Ring + Signet + Burgeoning>t2 picrel + Entrust the SparkHoly shit Entrust the Spark so broken!
>>98706755why?
>>98706764>They rushed the story>Give WotC 4 years to make a story>Meanders around aimlessly for 3 years, then the ending is rushed anywayI know this isn't what you said but this company hasn't written a good ending once. Like even "crossed the finish line without shitting pants" levels of "good".
>>98706801How is that standard legal??You realize you require way more cards than me, do you?
>>98706828wrong thread retard
>>98706831Ok, Let me raphrase. YOU COMBO REQUIRES MORE FANTASY XMAS THAN ME. Retard.
>>98706835>YOU COMBO REQUIRES MORE FANTASY XMAS THAN ME~!!!ofc, because he's popping off t2 instead of t3retard
>>98706732Anon why the fuck would you grab the cast trigger Ugin on a tutor that farts the PW directly onto the battlefield without casting it
>>98706802It's a flicker deck, with something like Felidar Guardian out you can have ininfite ETBs, tokens and exile effects
>>98706848Tutor your favorite PW.
>>98706738>cedh deck that runs every rock and dork it can with mana dump in the cz = 42 lands casual deck
>>98706864>42+ lands in cedh? impossible mana flood is baaaadyou're so dumb
>>98706869Goalpost got wheels on it
>>98706875still waiting on that oops all spells edh deck retard-kun
>>98706738>surely bypassing mana isn't broken at allI don't know what the fuck you think you're replying to.I'm not saying you don't need fucking lands, I'm saying 42 (which is the fucking number Trinket Tard recommended in the fucking video the image was describing) is wildly excessive and as a fundamental matter of game mechanics you can draw until you find lands if you don't have lands in hand but you can't draw anything if all you have in hand is lands and you're not finding spells>until then i'll be doing nothing but generating massive amounts of manaYou have not understood what being mana flooded means and for some reason you think it means having a lot of mana in (what used to be) your mana pool.It fucking isn't. It's very specifically the inverse of being mana screwed, which is the state of being behind on lands and not drawing more or not drawing lands in the colors you need
>>98706828Yeah I'm not particularly impressed by a 5-mana Transmute combo just because you managed to make a Tron payoff come out on turn 3.
>>98706879you what 42 lands convert into in 60 card land? 26.and did you know? *gasp* control decks in 60 card land actually had 26 lands! and they worked! and sometimes they win tournaments!>but muh cantrips...you are an idiot. just like whoever else agrees with you
