Ominous & Otherworldly Edition>Previous>>98691681>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>VtM to VtR fan translation guidehttps://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Ananasi-anon's The Tapestry and the Workhttps://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-tapestry-and-the-work-world-of-darkness-human-into-spider-reincarnation.1325755/>Thread QuestionWhat sort of tones or moods do you prefer in WoD/CofD?>Additional QuestionHow would you convey that sort of atmosphere in game?
>ywn be throated by a tomboy Garou gfBros... I'm entering harano...
>>98704900>TQJust listen to some moody ambient music and let your brain do the legwork on its own.
>What sort of tones or moods do you prefer in WoD/CofD?Any, I'm opening myself to anything that would take me away from this slog called real life. Most splats deal with ages old characters and problems, "the new is forced to confront the consequences of the old" is an element of gothic horror that you can find everywhere across WoD/CofD, and a foundational one, methinks.>How would you convey that sort of atmosphere in game?Descriptions, sometimes a single adjective here and a Latin word there is all it takes, media other than the spoken word works too, history, history, history.
>>98704900>tfw ST has a UFO ship crash-land in front of us
>>98704945>He's not whitewomanmaxxingNGMI
>TQFear. Just because you're one of the things that go bump in the night, is no reason to feel secure>follow-upYou, the player, can feel secure in the knowledge that magic isn't fucking real. You, the vampire, or werewolf, or whatever, know there's a hundred different bullshit spells in the wild, and your peers know several of them, and you can only begin to guess which ones.
>>98705105>magic isn't fucking realNGMI
>>98705105>You, the vampire, or werewolf, or whatever, know there's a hundred different bullshit spells in the wild, and your peers know several of them, and you can only begin to guess which ones.Maybe the new kid on the block doesn't know that much, but he begins to understand there is more supernatural out there, possibly powerful, and is spooked regardless.What I like about WoD is that the more you know the scarier and messier it gets.
>>98705105>magic isn't fucking real.>he doesnt know
Can Hunters and Mages find accord with each other?
>>98705197One of stock Euthanatoi characters is literally an awakened hunter, and mages are literally pure humans, the way God intended.The only thing preventing them from working together is fucking hubris.
>>98705197>WHY CAN'T YOU MAKE YOUR BULLETS HIT HARDER, CAN'T YOU SEE REALITY IS MADE UP?>SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU CAN'T CLAP YOUR HANDS, SMOKE SOME HOOCHA AND WHISTLE TO THE MOON GODS AND EXPECT YOUR KNIFE TO CUT DEEPER!
>>98705197depends on the hunter imbued and sol see them as monsters (esp Euthanatoi and Verbena), the Shadow Inqusition saw them as the worst monsters after earthbound demons evenbut the rest can be fine
>>98704900>How would you convey that sort of atmosphere in game?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbIoa4zA9Vg
>>98705197As disposable pawn? Sure.
>TQ Moody New York nights but with vampires.I hope Jack Lupino can make a cameo in my next chronicle.
Mages are the epitome of monstrosity. You don't need to be inhuman to be a massive bastard.
>>98705490They can be, but mages aren't fundamentally monstrous. Awakening doesn't turn a person into a massive bastard.
>>98705520explain the entire order of hermes
>>98705520unless you were unfortunate enough to have the extremely rare chance to be born with an inverted avatar
Everytime I read the woof books and see the word 'fetish' I giggle.
>>98705531I don't have to, the entire Order of Hermes isn't all mages.
>>98705520>Awakening doesn't turn a person into a massive bastard.Three decades and counting of having to deal with magefags says otherwise.
>>98705490And that's what makes them fun. For example, you can mindbreak random people like >>98705545 with a simple Mind effect just because you exist
>>98705545I mean, by that logic most vampires are LGBTQ+ faggots who spend more time gossiping and having non-serious serious problems than any kind of Jhyah. (Not joking, from larping to play by post to old fashioned tabletop games, most of them are just fucking around, RPing drama, sex and RL drame)
>>98705197The evil of mages is purely in what they're tempted to do, right? Like a Verbena probably knows a rote that works really well if you perform a human sacrifice while doing it, but there's no supernatural compulsion to do that.
>>98705630verbena are ontologically evil on account of being white women, not because they are witches
>>98705520I mean, that's kind of the point, no?Just plop the ultimate cosmic power onto some schmuck's lap with minimal strings attached and see where he takes it? How long he can live in a walking lucid dream without going insane?
>>98705654It's supposed to be a challenge, yes, but it's not meant to be inevitable.
>>98705600Tried joining one of the open forum games.Half was erp and thirsting after the twink prince, a third roleplaying high society and social clubs, and the last sixth fighting an uphill battle against a bad adaptation of already unbalanced mechanics (I got accused of power gaming for that).It convinced me the only proper way to play any game is with friends.
>>98705706I stopped trying discord play by post for similar reasons. It had you go through a job application style multiple phases and interviews to even start creating a character. Worst part is, they had like 6 STs, all of them overworked and had no time to even read any of it beyond a cursory glance.
>>98705645I thought it was because they fucked wolves.
>>98705654You start at arete 1 and your avatar gatekeeps the cosmic power from you until you learn your life lessons. Also you don't get to find out about subjectve reality until you start discarding instruments which is arete 3 at minimum unless you somehow get the purple paradigm right on your first guess.
Best splat to go on sexy low-power adventures that isn't Hunter?
True Fae loli wife
>>98706089>unless you somehow get the purple paradigm right on your first guess.What incentive is there to not play a character who does this? Why would I want to play a character who is objectively wrong about everything in a way that makes them mechanically weaker?
Shark here. Got some good news and some bad news. And also REALLY GOOD NEWS.-Good news is that there was a game today.-Bad news is that Shark was still a wraith. I have spent most of the session doing nothing. I only rolled three times (and that’s because I failed the two previous attempts, otherwise it would have been once). Anything else I did was fluffed that barely mattered and could be ignored.So in that spirit I was in a pretty shitty mood. When I spend hours doing nothing I barely stay focused. So unfortunately I don’t have much to tell for storytime. And some pretty epic stuff happened. Some related to Shark too… but again I was in a foul mood and I couldn’t interact at all so I didn’t listen much.I’ll ask for details later. Though I’m not sure if anything would come up.-REALLY GOOD NEWS is that the ST wants to make amends. It’s been like 4 to 5 times now that I spent the entire session doing absolutely nothing but listening to what the other players do. So ST confirmed that not only Shark will become an Abomination, but Anubis will make him his childe. So yeah, Shark gets a boost to 5th generation! ST also allows me to build the Garou I will inhabit exactly as I want with the W20 core book. I will even inherit the starting gifts! He even allows me to refund some things Shark had at chargen. I want to exchange them for more abilities, because Shark always gain more powers but without abilities he can barely use them. I also banked 15 exp, so I can get myself some gifts of fomori powers.Catalina was also offered the opportunity of becoming a head of the Triatic Wyrm. If she accepts she could also become an abomination and become the Avatar of the Défiler Wyrm.
>>98706112yeah who wouldn't want to play anything besides w5
>>98706124it would've been more funny if you made shark a rokea instead
>>98706130I was offered the opportunity a while back, but just a glance at the stats of a rokea vs a garou wasn’t that exhilarating. And I knew jack shit about rokea gifts.
>>98706112Carrot: you want to play a Wizard, or a Super-Agent, or a Theurgist, who believes in and uses the trappings of that archetype to work changes on reality, rather than a boring person who just kinda... wishes things to happenStick: spend 1 Willpower. Even in the purple paradigm, instruments are tools to help your mind shape the magic. If you're going to raw-dog it, then you have to spend WP. Possibly also take the difficulty bump.But that is Mage: Revised
>>98706124Sharkanon, I mean this in the most positive way possible.Your game sounds cuckoo bananas. I'm glad you're having a blast.
Vampire is associated with fagsWerewolf is associated with idiots Mage is associated with douchebags Changeling is associated with cringe
>>98706171hunters = paranod schizophrenicswraiths = background charactersmummy = ???demon = ???
>>98706124Sorry you got sidelined, Shark. I remember you saying you were thinking about taking Berserker but if youre becoming an Abomination then you should already have it by default. Any thoughts on what kind of powers you wanted to take?
Werewolf players low iq They’re also masc4masc homos
>>98706171>>98706202Werewolf players are thin-skinned, get your insults right.
>>98706219Anon they are mentally retarded bro types “Bro”
>>98704900which rulebook is both the most kino AND has the best art? thats the only shit that matters as far as I am concerned. is it the 20th anniversary shit?
“There’s a wizard in there”“I WLL CLAW THEM TO PIECES”“lol ok”Werewolves make good rugs for wizards
>>98706236The picking order isMages -> Changelings -> Woofs -> Vampires
>>98706236There was a short story about this mage who wanted to rip out a pregnant werewolf’s fetus “to smoke it” like weed, and it culminated in the mages death, because the pregnant werewolf did a suicide move that worked out better than intended. I thought it was funny.To beat a mage you just have to surprise them by doing something really stupid.
>>98706229Best core rulebook art is probably VtM 2e. Revised isn't bad either though. But most kino is unironically VtM1e core. I love that it tells the story of a vampire's entire unlife over the course of one section of the book via the artwork.
>>98706161Well games like today’s game sucks a lot, but yeah it’s a great chronicle. Now that we’ve brought Anubis on the boat, we’re heading back to Munich and start a new arc!>>98706193I’m still taking Berserker. ST approved of it. So I’m gonna have 15 rage. I’m not sure what else I want. I have access to Black Spiral Dancers gifts at 5 exp per rank, up to rank 3. Also fomori powers for the same price. For the fun of it I’m interested in Body Expansion. Imagine turning into a 30’ giant with +4 damage. If we want to get silly adding the Size Shifts three times could multiply the height up to 60’ ! I welcome suggestions.
Werewolves are all developmentally disabled
>ugly low-int werefrogs that reeee at anyone trying to clean their filthy densI feel attacked
Woofs shit on the floor and rub their ass on the carpet
>>98706255the mage wanted to do WHAT now?
>>98705197Sorta, Mages can blend in really well when they aren't spouting nonsense at the top of their lungs.>>98705630>Tempted to doOther than Nephandi, I don't really think temptation is the right word here. Mages kind of just do it for the love of the game and because they know reality doesn't actually matter that much anymore, but it isn't temptation in the same way the Beast is compelling you to go full Khorne on someone.>>98705830If that were the case a lot of Hunters would be evil too.
>>98706293Try to guess the mage's tradition.
>>98706315verbena, mostly because I have never seen a dreamspeaker bad guy
>>98706181Hunters be like>Reckoning (Original): paranoid SCHIZOPHRENICS>Reckoning/HH(new): PARANOID schizophrenics
>>98706283Unlike Anurana, good thing you had hereditary and spiritual backgrounds left to fall back to and recover. Right?
>>98706268what about balance w playability?
>>98706354Probably revised? It's the latest edition to have the nice B&W art. I wouldn't fret too much in any case. There weren't many significant changes between oWoD editions. The absolute best mechanics for oWoD are V20DA, but it's still being built on a very flawed system.
>>98706293Wizards are truly sick fucks anon. They see the monsters in the night as material to poke at and abuse. “Oh how interesting…”, as the poor creature cries out in pain.
>>98706255Wasn't that from cofd?
I know, I know I've let you downI've been a fool to myselfI thought that I could live for no one elseBut now, through all the hurt and painIt's time for me to respectThe ones you love mean more than anythingSo with sadness in my heartFeel the best thing I could doIs end it all and leave foreverWhat's done is done, it feels so badWhat once was happy now is sadI'll never love again, my world is ending
>>98706397I believe so. Awakening mages are just as horrendously vile.
Stop shit talking wizards please. It will do you no good. And your penis will only get smaller.
>>98706414>The penis will continue to shrink until public perception improves
>>98705003
>>98706396Listen, science needs experiments. You can't blame a man for taking a promising specimen, enhancing it with cybernetics, putting it through intense conditioning before implating it with powerful explosives and finally letting it loose on your enemies.
>>98706181>mummy = ???We are the light in a world of darkness...
>>98706497Science is made of measurement. Follow it and take notes or you're just setting off fireworks.
>>98706396If the cat did not want to get turned into a silver statue, it should not have yowled at my sanctum´for three days straight. It was entirely justified self defense.
>>98706272Body Expansion usually comes with drawbacks like brittle bones (unsoakable lethal damage on a botch) though you could see if your ST is willing to remove the drawback if you pay the 4 cost instead of the 2. You are the avatar of one of the beast-of-war so it would make sense you have a 'premium option'. As for suggestions: Unnatural Strength (+4 strength) and Bestial Mutation (+2 to all physical attributes, appearance becomes 0) are also really good choices albeit a little costly. Armored Hide (+3 soak dice) and Bulky (3 additional health levels) are great for survivability and are on the cheaper side too. Elemental Resistance or maybe Hide of The Wyrm from Freak Legion just for any leftover points.
>>98706181>mummy = ???revised: guys who actually go to therapy and while it works for them everyone is annoyed that they won't shut up about itbefore: old guys with memory problems>demon = ???cult leaders with borderline
>>98706541That cat wasn’t a cat. It was an annoying shapeshifter howling for its mate- which the wizard dissected a night earlier.
>>98706627>The mate wasn't the wizardThis is a violation of the wizard's NAP
There's some weird shit in first edition. Like if you're a werewolf who spends Rage on an extra attack, and it hits, the Rage gets refunded
>>98706771>DODGE!
>>98706771that reminds me of a question I never could quite figure out:if two werewolves strike at each with lots of bonus rage actions and try to dodge each others strikes, does the dodge consume the upcoming action or just any of the bonus actions? Like, if werewolf 1 strikes will werewolf 2 dodge and then get his own action or is it werewolf 1s turn again?
>>98706604So far I’m not aware of the real rules for fomori powers. I’ve been mostly using this site and we count each one costing 5 exphttps://saligia.fandom.com/wiki/FomoriST might be following the book, but he hasn’t said anything about how I view the costs yet.Also got some answers to an earlier question about those fomori powers… because I’m the avatar of Beast-of-War I’m not a regular bane. And I’m not even considered a fomori. So I can’t have taints, but I also don’t get new powers with taints.Also is Bestial Mutations compatible with the garou forms? I was under the impression that shapeshifting powers aren’t cumulative.Most of the powers you picked are interesting. Excepting the last twos. I don’t know what they do.Also I forgot to mention something. Shark has lost all the physical disciplines he had. That’s the price to pay for switching bodies. So he’s losing 1 potence, 2 celerity and 3 fortitude.
>>98706785What I know is that if you either spend Rage or activate Celerity for extra actions, they happen consecutively on your turn.
>>98706796The Possessed book gives point values to fomori powers, and XP costs correlating to them. W20 just has a list of fomori powers, no rating, no mention of XP.
>>98706803I am pretty sure that if two opponents spend rage, they alternate in order of initiative. And also everybody gets all of their actions before any rage actions occur.
>>98704900How powerful would a gestalt character who is neonate tier in every major splat be?
>>98706882mage fucks up all their other powers by applying the rules of paradox on them because they are now routed through their avatar
Is it actually true that some mages brag about their paradox
>>98706796>Also is Bestial Mutations compatible with the garou forms?If you just go off of the entry, its simply a permanent effect. So I would assume its a flat +2 to all physical attributes and Appearance 0 in all forms but its not something you 'shift' into unless you have the Hidden Power merit. Since Shark has an appearance of 0, your ST could consider it redundant... Actually if youre getting a new body, you could get a new appearance rating so it wouldnt be as redundant. Maybe in a way that black spiral dancers take on bat like characteristics, you could look more Sharklike. >we count each one costing 5 exp>Most of the powers you picked are interesting. Excepting the last twos. I don’t know what they do.Elemental Resistance gives you 1 soak dice against a particular effect (lightning, fire, balefire, etc) per point spent. Hide of The Wyrm gives 1 soak dice per point spent. I would probably disregard those options since youre doing flat exp costs instead of playing with power points.
>>98706153>you want to play a Wizard, or a Super-Agent, or a Theurgist, who believes in and uses the trappings of that archetype to work changes on realityExcept I want to play a wizard (or psychic, or weird super-scientist, or etc.), period- the stupid Purple Paradigm / Ackshually Reality is Subjective nonsense is a colossal fucking copout that's literally never worked in anything that's tried it, from Kult to Unknown Armies.It's easily the worst thing about MtAs and the biggest reason to play Awakening instead
>>98706882what does neonate mean? like at character creation? Not that amazing in a plot-moving/narrative sense but completely fucking busted in a mechanical sense. They'd have the raw statbuffs and multiactions of a garou, spheres even at 1 can be used to reduce basically any difficulty by 3 including your attack, soak, dodge or damage rolls.With the 3 vamp discipline dots, I'unno. Celerity for even more actions? Fortitude to hit soak so high nothing damages you? Changeling uh... well you can unleash and win any encounter now. You can also use wayfare to give yourself even more actions or something like that.The problem is really that the absolute top tier powers in wod are mechanically not nearly as powerful as they are narratively. They just dont roll the dicepools and don't have powers that the narrative consistently displays the having.
>>98706236>Werewolves make good rugs for wizardsWho else pictured a Garou gifting a Mage a rug and then revealing that it was made from their own fur?
>>98706402good time to remember that DaveB has said that mage should be about is colonizing other splats and their space and he got to write some later mage stuff
We have a major problem where werewolves can only reproduce by mating with Kinfolk. And because of the rarity of these pairings actually producing werewolves, they'll always be outnumbered by kin. This is actually an advantage for male werewolves, who can impregnate multiple women within the time it takes a single pregnancy to come to term, but a female werewolf reproduces at a fixed rate no matter how many Kinfolk she has available to her.I propose we travel to the Deep Umbra, to an Umbral Realm where spirits of literary concepts are known to reside. Once there, we can search for an Omegaverse spirit...
>>98707050changelings trying to trick garou into being their proxy glamour farm be like
>>98707050Or just hire a sick fuck Life/Spirit/etc mage anon.
>>98707060>letting a mage near pregnant anything
>>98707050Does werewolf actually ever talk about this and its implications?
>>98707050you want to the spires, but just know that the spirits there are going to fucking hate youthey are made from and for human concepts
>>98707076The closest it has characters react to anything is with the legendary realm
>>98707076W20 will broadly talk about how fucked up Garou reproduction is, they'll mention stuff like arranged marriages, and talk about how ambivalent Kinfolk can feel towards true Fera
>>98704900Intrigue so thick you can cut it. Every action you take has consequences, including inaction. Every word will be used to string you up, unless you garotte another with it first.Courtly minefields are great for that.Conveyance is tricky. Less is more, but too little becomes confusing instead of mysterious.You gotta lock down abilities that trivialize the challenge. Don't be unfair, but don't allow the players to make light of the situation. Something like a prince (if you're doing VtM) that doesn't allow tomfoolery in his house.Soft power is the name of the game. Let the players have their moments, but don't give them easy indicators of how well they're doing for themselves. Everyone's got a poker face, and you gotta work to see what's underneath.And make sure the scale of the aftermath is great. This isn't just a social dinner, this is the prelude to a civil war, a jyhad after an ancilla, or something equally impactful. Whoever wins here wins half the battle later.
>>98707050Just play Forsaken if you want omegaverse wolves anon
>>98705600>by that logic most vampires are LGBTQ+ faggots who spend more time gossiping and having non-serious serious problems than any kind of Jhyah.What possible source material could you have read that at any point isn't beating that undeniable fact down your throat?
>>98705531I think the hermetics are becoming my favorite mage faction just by virtue of how anons post about them
>>98707300I like them more and more because of how much they're retarded chuds. Which I guess really does fit the classic wizard stereotype who likes casting spells and doing dubious things
>>98707311They may be retarded but those are my retards
jerma's HEATED debate about FURRIES turns him into a WEREWOLFhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMOQNtbmZBY
>>98707300>>98707311Every Mage order is Irresponsible Wizards (tm) but they're all different genre's of irresponsible wizards. Mad Alchemists? Fireball hungry hobo? Saruman the Silly? Hermetics.If you want insane cultivation bullshit and the whole "slaughter your clan for looking at me funny", there's the Akashics. There's the Verbena for people that think the Blaire Witch people deserve more trauma, etc. Every Mage can be based, but they're also cringe at the same time. It's the chuuni contradiction that makes the mage.
>>98707341>slaughter your clan for looking at me funnyHey, the Euthanatoi started it, it’s just that the Akashics finished it.
What’s the Camarilla of Akron, OH like?
https://youtu.be/MKCDe6Wp0oU>moon chaser when melons are no longer in season
>>98707366Maybe the Dark Moon Clan shouldn't have been practicing Demonic Basket Weaving Sorcery Under the Pale Moon (DBWSUPM) while looking at me funny if they didn't want me to kill them and also slaughter their family for good measure (bad apples can only come from bad seeds after all).
The Sons of Ether broke from the Technocracy and joined the Traditions because they were addicted to phlogiston.But why did the Virtual Adepts never join the Technocracy? Their entire raison de etre began with a US military project.
>>98707433virtual adepts also been technocrats. They used to be the "Guild of Analytical Reckoners" but they been unhappy with how the technocracy handled world war 2 (supporting the axis for the first half of the war and only dropping that support when the nazis turned out to be a nephandi front) and then the NWO assassinated alan turing which was one thing too much for them and they left if the union wouldn't have lost 2 convention it would have been 7 vs 7
>>98707326So THAT'S how people turn into dogs.Grim.
>>98707447STILL winning btw
>>98707433>But why did the Virtual Adepts never join the Technocracy? Their entire raison de etre began with a US military projectDo people not read the Tradition Books at all? Or even the peruse fucking wiki?
>>98707433They started in the Technocracy.They left because;A) The Technocracy being divided over WW2 at the start (ignoring that they did the same and the Traditions they joined did the same)B) One of their best, Alan Turing, getting killed by NWO. (not mentioning the fact that he was working with Etherites and that, for some reason, NWO didn't start with that but with the threats of revealing he was a homo. Mainly because they wanted to follow the real life history of Alan Turing)
>>98707341If you are looking at a convention/tradition book your job is to basically imagine the best and worst version of that type of mage
>>98707471Bankrupt since 2008 but at least China is a technocratic success story
>>98707447the funniest thing about sons of ether and virtual adepts is that they are the "youngest" conventions. they aren't even the OG order of reason.
>>98707050I’ve always found Kinfolk bizarre. Maybe it’s to dissuade furries
>>98707803Not like it really stops them, which is kinda funny too when you remember that pic rel also exists
>>98707050There is no mention that female Garou need to be in heat in order to breed, ergo female Garou can just take advantage of the faster gestation of wolves, while male Garou would have to deal with only mating female wolves when they're in heat.It is most optimal for male Garou to only produce offspring with humans, and for female Garou to only produce offspring with wolves.
>>98707844
>>98708086>Tiger Generalholy frekkin cr*nge
>>98707050What if an imbued impregnated a werewolf? Before you say 'he'd kill her first', assume he already knew her beforehand and just refuses to hurt her.
How would a vampire or a werewolf deal with a mage as their landlord?Imagine having to awkwardly deal with someone who can turn you inside out with the flick of their pinky finger. Also they’re Indian.
>>98707679>China is a technocratic success storyChina is just as fucked as their western projects. They're just much better at lying, something no one should be surprised about given it's a country bordering india with a 100 average IQ instead of 73 average.
>>98707341>Every Mage can be based, but they're also cringe at the same time.Some lean more one way than the others.Verbena have the issue of leaning heavily cringe thanks to being the designated wiccan feminist faction. Their oldhead witches fucking dispise the new generstion, but immortslity isn't easy to maintain and they're already outnumbered by the rrtarded apprentices.
>>98708345That’s a literal nightmare inducing scenario right there!
>>98708473Crazy old perverted men preying on little girls (and boys) in the woods are a thing too you know
>>98708481I already mentioned wiccan feminists anon.
What if instead of being a self-pitying sad sack he applied myself and went on to do things like picrel?
>>98708495>What if instead of being a self-pitying sad sackWhoa there anon, that doesn't sound very Personal Horror. Players might actually Achieve things instead of just being "deep" characters that contemplate life in their haven every session.
how do I justify being a beat cop with 5 Intelligence, Sciences and Crafts
>>98708654You have a relative in the force, that's why the police academy passed someone with an IQ over a single digit.
>>98708670Transfer from the forensic department after they were found having fun with the bodies.
>>98707050While we are on the fucked up nature of werewolf reproduction I have something I've been pondering. If different types of Fera/kinfolk have a child what determines what kind of kinfolk it is? Is it random? based on the mother/father? neither? Or can you have someone who is multiple types of kinfolk?
>>98708709iirc most iterations say that any heritage beyond the first just manifests as the "Spirit Heritage" background. Like a bear and wolf make a child, they become one or the other and get a +2 to interact with the other side of their family.This shit also covers Kami or whatever else.
>>98708709If the one giving birth is homid aka human born, the child can be either of the parents Changing Breed or their kinfolk. But only one.If the one giving birth is a lupus or lupus equivalent aka animal born, they can only become the mother's changing breed or kinfolk.
>>98708762Could you tell me which book that's from anon?
>>98708605Zoom zoom.
>>98708783The first two sections is from Storyteller's Guide (Revised). The last is just from W20 Core (you can find the equivalent in previous edition cores too)
>>98708783To be more specific on the first two.The first section is Storytellers Handbook Revised - Page 20The second section is Storytellers Handbook Revised - Page 192
>>98708789>>98708800Thank you very much. I'm only read a bit of revised edition so I'll check the mega.
>>98707858It's optimal for males to breed with wolves too, wolf pregnancies are much shorter and result in multiple pups also lupus get the first change at 2. Just imagine how many new Gaia warriors you can make before homids finish preschool.
SMELLY VERBENA WIFE ARMPIT HAIR!
>>98706539>Follow it and take notes or you're just setting off fireworks.That's what technicians are for. Just in case someone misjudged the yield of those explosives or the effectiveness of mental conditioning.
>>98708654Becoming a supernatural opened your mind
>>98708978This but stinky werewolf husband
>>98708970The caveat is your average werewolf was born a human and probably finds sex with wolves more than a bit distasteful. And more than a few sources say Werewolves try to mate for life so breeding multiple wolves is likely off the table Even further complicating breeding with wolves, it's harder to hide an increase in the feral wolf population on that scale without killing a couple yourself. There's probably a reason why wolf-kin are kind of valued and of limited stock for most tribes that aren't RT, and even with the RT the wildlife sanctuaries they larp at has only so much space.
>>98708654You are one of those genius movie detectives but because of past trauma/autism, you can barely function as a beat cop until plot arrives.
>>98708762This seems like an unnecessary set of statements to give but on the other hand it seems thematic for why everything is so crap and insular
>>98707803>dissuade furriesThat early before furry culture really took off? Unlikely, I think. On top of the way it dissuades a lot of people from some of the weirder parts of werewolves and keeps the game squarely into family drama and FF7-tier ecoterrorism
>>98708345>Indian MageA Vampire could deal with this by providing many a hot white women. A Werewolf is directly competing with the guy so it might be difficult.
>>98709118>Anon talks about a successful person with with amazing powers>Anon assumes Indian of all thingsTell everyone you're brown without telling everyone you're brown
>>98708345I'm not being a rentoid for a mage. They can just magic up money. Obviously a nephandus, call the sept on him.
>>98709152>Also they’re Indian.So eager to be racist that you couldn't even read 3 sentences. If you are going to be racist be a classy one not a illiterate one.
>>98707433Because Technocrats are assholes.
Stat her, /WoDg/.
>>98708654Cheated the IQ test. A little too well. Many of your co-workers treat you as a wee bit retarded.
>>98708762>No Mysterious Bear Cubs turning up in a recently pregnant wolf's DenCome on. It'd be funny.
>>98709073Is there ever a reason given as to how the perfect metis could even be born to begin with? He's also not even sterile in one of the apocalypse scenarios.what if his birth destroys that particular aspect of the metis breed but not the deformities so you end up with the garou nation breeding more easily but they're basically nephilim tier raging retards that act increasingly unwolflike and cause problems
>>98708654You were on your way to a high ranking administrative post but pissed off the wrong admiral and he'll have the streets teach your nerd ass a lesson.Alternatively, bad decisions in life due to your personal faults got you down despite being a genius in your field, Waltuh.
>>98709253>Nature: Conniver>Demeanor: Gallant>Clan: Ventrue>Generation: Uhhhh I dunno, 11?You figure out the rest, I'm too lazy to finish
>>98709296>raging retardsSo normal Garou?
>>98708654You're Gerard Bull, you escaped the assassination and lived quietly under an assumed identity, until you heard about something really cool and mysterious stored in a local police evidence locker and you're trying to get access now.
>>98708495He's a self pitying sad sack because he was doing things, then God decided to flood the earth and his retard grandkids fucked everything up. He's a depressed do-nothing because he knows that God'll just drown everyone again if he were to achieve world domination.
>>98709443Yeah, but being defeated time and time again never discourages the other guy from just picking himself up, dusting himself off and trying again. It's all in the attitude.
>>98709465>dusting himself off and trying again.Yeah, he does that every few hundred years.But the rest of time he's just jacking off and messing with normies.
>>98709443>God'll just drown everyone again God promised not to, hasn't he read the Bible?
>>98709502Every few decades but close enough. You're right on the "messing with normies" part though, he sure has fun with it.
>>98709510He reads a threat out of it, like next time will always be something all-new. The grandkids all puff into ash or it rains amaranth cats and frogs.
>>98709510Besides what >>98709534 says, I don't see why Caine would take the bible seriously just because it has a bastardized version of his story in it.
>>98709510Well God says he's all-loving and compassionate but then allows a kindly and loyal worshipper to be put through miseryporn torture for years and also lets countless good and innocent people die as collateral damage, all as part of some trivial bet with his supposed arch-enemy.
>>98708345I'd rather kill myself, thanks
>>98709253She looks like she fucks Tremere scholars.
>>98709625...with her strap-on!
Stat my wife as a starting Mage the Awakening character please.
>>98709443>>98709510Funny enough, writer of ToJ actually remembered that and had God just conjure a flood that didn't harm the humans or their works in Wormwood scenario.
Musky Garou DILF bush...
>>98709654Neat.
>>98709551Does the Book of Job take years? I assumed the events are maybe a month or something.
>>98709625After getting her back blow out by a faithmaxxer
>>98709625>>98709626She'd be a Ventrue like the other anon said, so the strap-on Tremere pegging 100% checks out
>>98709694>Ventrue are canonically fucking each other in the ass
>>98709656How much of a DILF? I their kid an actual kid? Or are they dealing with teenagers?
>>98707050>werewolves can only reproduce by mating with KinfolkThat is a problem indeed. Don't worry, the designer will fix that when the time is right.
>>98709735That’s purely metaphorical.
>>98709694>>98709626Well, you got me there.Stand aside, Tremerebros, I'll take one for the team.
“Hello I’m a faggot werewolf and I have a 5yo daughter from a previous relationship”“You are not gay, you are compromised.”“What the fuck????”
>>98709771God I hate biwolves. If you’re going to fuck someone at least stick with the dick or the bagina.
>>98709759...shouted the Ventrue neonate while preparing his ass for the prince's visit.
>>98709735Note for the other anons in this thread, This is a self-professed Ventrue Anarch doing a Q/A with other Anarchs. At best he is supremely biased due to not being able to hack it, at worst he's just telling them what they want to hear.
Traditional Games?
>>98709822Traditionally Gay
>>98709822Roll Perception+Alertness for two successes at difficulty 8
Loli True Fae Keeper motherwife
>>98709749Three kids (two teens, one baby), divorced, and stressed about how to juggle his drinking, family, and work time.
>>98709833
>>98709848Yeah a True Fae loli motherwife
>>98709626>>98709694>strap-onCringe, be a man and get pegged by a proper futa in your fantasies.
I came here to talk about the World of Darkness, not to be subjected to a bunch of mentally ill retards' incredibly embarrasing sexual fantasies. Can we talk about actual WoD-related topics please? Is that so much to ask?
>>98709903We are talking aout WoD-related topics
>>98709903>not to be subjected to a bunch of mentally ill retards' incredibly embarrasing sexual fantasies.So, talking about World of Darkness?
>>98709903Then post about your stuff you want to talk about so that anons here have the chance to reply to it or not.
I rip off from Avatar (the original series).
>>98709903Alright anon let's talk about your sexual fantasies
>>98709928Stat him, /tg/.
>>98709903Would this be a bad time to mention I got the Verbena part of the story done? Assuming irl isnt overly hectic I should get started on the drone fight tonight or tomorrow.
>>98709843>Thinking a Garou will actually parentAnon...>>98709771This is actually a character trope in part because of spousal trauma and also I suppose a way to include a family in there without going into weird mpreg stuff
>>98709903Have you ever looked at the old art and all the seduction mechanics?
I will play changeling the lost tomorrow I will tell you guys how it went
>>98709941What are you writing anon?
>>98709936I imagine True Fae is the only right answer, but you could do some interesting stuff making him a Wraith or Specter going ham on the larp
>>98709958Tell us about your PC
>>98709985Darkling razorhand actor playmate who wasnt abadoned by their Keeper but instead was tricked to escape (by their Keepers Nemesis or other Fae in general) and is seeking a way back to his keeper to "continue the play"Basically he loves his Keeper and absolutely hates any other True Fae
>>98709903I remember the first time I ever heard about Promethean was some guy on /tg/ talking about his femboy Galateid character back in like 2010.
>>98709941Bakeslave, why are you writing fanfics on company time?
>>98709965Bakeslave lore.>>98710083I still have 5 minutes left on my lunch break.
>>98710023Noice.
fuck it hurts every time I see there were three cancelled sorcerers crusade books
>>98710109Bakeslave has lunch break????
>>98710109>*not* writing fanfics on company timeJust when I thought you might be more based than I gave you credit for, Bakeslave...
>only Vicissitude can do shapeshifting and body horror (nevermind there's an entire-ass discipline advertised as shapeshifting whose name is even PROTEAN)Gay and retarded.>every physical Discipline comes with a little thematically-appropriate shapeshifting as a treat, with Protean being the most outwardly visible exampleChadly and inspired.
>>98710201This is why v5 was a mistake
>>98710201>body horrorReddit.
>>98710238OK smart guy, what other term would you use for it?
>>98710023Oh shit, someone else remembers Lace
>>98708345Same way you deal with a landlord who owns a gun that can turn your insides outside with a flick of a finger.Shoot first, don't miss. If you're invisible, you can maybe shoot multiple times.
>>98709903>the World of Darkness>a bunch of mentally ill retards' incredibly embarrasing sexual fantasiesThey're the same picture
>>98710201Vicissitude is a diseased, corrupted version of Protean. Protean already covers your normal vampire shapeshifting. Vampires are beings of stasis anyway so such powers shouldn't be too common. But Vicissitude is perfect for what it is, a fucked up corrupted discipline that's a vector for the Tzimisce Antediluvian at best, and an actual disease at worst. Don't be such a Tziggerfaggot.
Ok so, what if overnight metis aren't sterile any more. What happens to garou kinfolk?
>>98708345use chimiage to bind a bane spirit to do my bidding eternally then use a seducer fomorii to get it inside the mage
>>98710561Probably the same thing that's happening to them now, as a lot of the Garou think that their capacity as breeding stock is irrelevant now that the Apocalypse is here. They become more valuable as spies, cannon fodders, administrators and money-makers.
>>98708654Have you seen the job market these days ? Its a stable job, easy pay.
>>98708654underachiever?might want to knock up the ST
>>98708654You've got dogshit charisma/presence and never get promoted due to office politics. However, you are a genius and scientific prodigy, but you always wanted to be a cop, for reasons I leave up to you.
>>98708654IRL, a man with one of the highest IQ scores ever recorded led a mainly humble life of an office clerk and just wrote non-fiction books under an alias from time to time."Stranger than fiction" and all that stuff.
>>98710924Maybe he was content and happy where he was and what he was doing?
>>98710947From what I gleaned in his biography, he was just sick of academia bullshit and "boy genius" fame.
>>98710972>he was just sick of academia bullshit and "boy genius" fame.Based.
>>98710864So Gregory House but working forensics?
Which one sounds cooler:1-Earl of Albemarle2-Earl De La Warr3-Earl of Verulam
>Gangrel DoctorHow can I make this work?
>>98711085Rural Medicine gets Gangrel'd.
>>98709903I'd settle for more variety in the hornyposting. Seems like it's basically all homosexual furry stuff.
>>98711224To be fair, Vampire dominatrix / brat taming is pretty well worn.
>>98708495We have Brotherhood of Nod at home.>the Brotherhood of Nod at home:
>>98711289>the epic perineum
>>98711224there is only like 1 homo poster than actually likes masculine guys because the rest like femboys or femdom werewolves.
>>98710561you still dont want garou women pregnant. The most efficient strategy is to keep all kinfolk women pregnant, nothing changes. If it is efficient to keep Garou women pregnant, you can do this easily with a single kinfolk male.
>>987110132. sounds like an ironic name. Like being name of a guy about to be possessed by a war Bane.
>>98711399Those are all real titles.
>>98711289One of the only good things about V5 was that the Sabbat logo stopped looking like a dildo and got some meaning as an actual sword.Same with the Anarch logo (jesus christ), but also the Camarilla ankh got streamlined and I think it looks nice.
>>98711434Sure but that doesn't change the fact that in fiction most would bet the second one would be the bad guy
>>98709253mina has the character of a toreador, but her abilites are: a magic gun and umbrella. the ability to summon bat spirits (which she can also feed her gun) and the ability to turn into a swarm of bats to escapethat would be: thaum with path of the spirit manipulation on atleast 4 to turn the gun into a fetish and presumably a ritual to enchance her umbrellaspiritus 2 or animalism 3 if you ignore that bats being spiritsand without porting the swarm form from vtr the closest you get is protean 4 to turn into a batso either a complete schizo caitiff build or a gangrel sorcerer but again her character is that of a very vain toreador brat whose parents bought her embrace with money so i might lead toward caitiff funnily enough drifter is easier to build and his abilities are lower dots powers in vtm despite drifter being a 400+ old elder in the game loremost of his ingame powers are just got protean 2, basic celerity and auspex 1 with obtenebration 2 for his ult and the combination power Blood Thorns (protean 2 potence 2) for his "gun"and that's just a sabbat gangrel
question for people that more about the order of hermes and mage society than i do. what would the order generally do if a kinfolk apprentice went through their first change before they awakened? would they just send them away, kill them, use for experiments, or just keep them a forever apprentice like they do with sorcerers that wont awaken?
>>98711085The Nurses are all ghouls. It gets weird.
>>98711537You aren't going to get murdered and dissected by the order of hermes, IN MOST CASES. Unless your pater (teacher) is a super mega dickwad and or you fucking trashed the place and possibly other people in your first change. So I assume you're going to stay in the order, whether you can still hold rank is questionable. If you can, you are probably at the level any non-awakened stay at.They might actually try to keep you in the order as a consor warbeast esque creature instead of sending you to your tribe or whatever, which may provoke the local garou, who are far less inclined to be reasonable about this for multiple reasons. There's a good chance the Order might thus give you the boot only to not deal with psychotic wolves.So.. all in all not too bad if you didn't sperg out in the chantry? You're now a sought after consor, though possibly with baggage.
>>98711440How come the Vampire Nod guys don't have cool aesthetics and slogans like the C&C Nod guys do?
>>98711537that can't really happen because house fortunae uses divination and luck magic to make sure that the order of hermes only takes on apprentices that are unawakened mages so that they can keep the lie that their apprenticeship does work goingthey would know that this is a not yet changed werewolf not a kinfolk that being said the order has some consors (supernatural companions) that are werewolves and a class of non awakened personal but those are prettty much just serfs and canon fooder
>>98711537canonically most splats are dimwitted about the other and mages are still human so it would depend on how emotionally close they were. assuming the hermetic didn't immediately turn the garou into magic ingredients, they would most likely be seen as a bygone and relegated to a guard/combat role or be sent to a mythic creature sanctuary.
>>98711537Imagine the potential of being a mage with a sympathetic Garou as an ally. He can serve as your ambassador to spirits, conjure for you, help you negotiate, he can even carry you across the Gauntlet to speak to spirits in their own realms.
>>98711566the hermetic already has the bastet for that, who tend to be more possessive and unwilling to share, especially given the bad blood from the war of the rage
>>98711085Just do the trope of "savant at his job but also extremely eccentric"Also>Randomly jumps out of the window and bodyslams a hobo during an operation
>>98711537order of hermes only takes on people they call "magickally latent individuals" as apprentices and it's not something like a mage just showing up and making your their apprentice anymore it's the mages of hhouse fortunae testing you possibly for decades and they do kill potentially dangerous recuitment targets> Our Order (particularly mages of House Fortunae and members of the Personnel committee) secretly monitors potential recruits, sometimes for a decade, looking for demonstrations of mental acuity, inquisitive nature, respect for knowledge, strength of will and innate discretion. During this time, the subject undergoes surreptitious tests. The recruiter may expose her to radical ideas on the nature of reality, give her the chance to cheat in her studies, or even invite her to join a harmless occult society. Some tests assess the student's ability to absorb new concepts, but the most important ones examine her character and trustworthiness. The screening usually proceeds methodically; unstable or untrustworthy apprentices present a grave danger to the Order. However, some recruits Awaken spontaneously or attract the attention of the enemy; inin such exceptional cases, the recruiter may bring his student to a neutral "safe house" (never a Covenant!) until she calms. If the Awakened student is obviously unsuited to the Order, the recruiter may deliver her to representatives of a more appropriate Tradition. If the student presents real danger to herself or to the Order, the recruiter may instead take extreme and permanent action. If the recruit is suitable for apprenticeship- well, you yourself know the rest.pic related is what the other anon talked about with the apprenticeship itself being kinda fake because of house fortunaeNow in the dark ages that could happen because house fortunae didn't exist yet. they did sometimes just take in teenagers and they didn't knew about other splats enough to notice a entire house turning into vampires-.
>>98711555This seems like the kind of thing a Nuwisha couldn't resist pranking.
>>98711597>Now in the dark ages that could happen because house fortunae didn't exist yet. they did sometimes just take in teenagers and they didn't knew about other splats enough to notice a entire house turning into vampires-.they however didn't teach you jack shit during the apprenticship back then because the fellowships of dark age mage including the order of hermes all don't make use of sorcery at all and don't train sorcerers so in that scenario it would just be that your garou was treated as a manslave by a mage for 3 years however back then mages of europa assumed that every supernatural being that isn't demonic or heavinly is some sort of "fae" so the code of hermes that all those hermetics swear about did forbid them from messing with garou as it does with all other monster (or rather fae) and a master killing the apprentice in anything but self defense would find himself in a weird legal battle with House Quaesitor because he is allowed to kill his apprentices but he is not allowed to mess with the fae
>>98711577>the hermetic already has the bastet for thatThey do?
>>98711555they do not take only people that are going to awaken, they take people who have a higher chance to awaken. The amount of sorcerers to mages in the OoH is still 4 to 1.
>>98711566Yes but they aren't cool with being petted so they're disqualified
>>98711616bastet are by far the most common fera to be mage consors and the hermetics are second only after the verbena when it comes to employing consorsthe entire egyptian bastet tribe (sounds like more than it is) are actually full on allied with the order of hermes
>>98711566without your tribe, nobody is teaching you that. And no hermetic wants to go ooga booga spirits I plead. They'll call you a huge fag if they see you doing that and then magic slavery circle all over the place.
>>98711597Isn't literally every human technically capable of awakening though? Obviously it's rare but I thought everyone had an "unawakened spark"
>>98708762>the odds of fera kids are pretty great>zero chance of metis>never happens because they managed to burn bridges so badly things are fucked several thousand years later
>>98711616Witches. Cats. It just works.
>>98711640every human can bind with a avatar and can be made to awaken by demonlords or grimoires or master alchimists or archmages but as the traditions and especially hermetics understand it only 1 in 5 million can awaken as mages as is and that already includes both normal awakening and the hermetic apprenticship>Very few mortals, perhaps one in five million, have the potential to become mages. Those with a magickal affinity for our Order typically Awaken gradually. Often, these chosen evince some ability that sets them apartTraditions Gathered 1 Songs of Silence pg 20
>>98711013Normans get out! REEEEEEEEE!!!!>>98711224All I can do is a snexy homage to the 1st edition clan book.
>>98711655Why no corax?
>>98711667>Normans get out! REEEEEEEEE!!!!>t. native briton
>>98711640every human has an avatar which is what allows the consensus to exist in the first place (people who have their avatars destroyed stop counting as witnesses) but its just very unlikely that they will awaken naturally without intervention
>>98711667>a snexy homageneat, though perhaps making it slightly girthier would look even betterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1I2C0AAZr4
>>98711668corax don't like mages because corax are all about information be it spreading information or witholding information to get what they wantand mages can both read minds and usually invested in their own stuff to the point where they don't care about what the raven has to say
>>98711640nta, true but like, most people have weak Avatars. That's why Primers aren't as useful as some make them to be.
>>98711707ah is this also why some of the books mention that some mages can't become master mages? do npcs have a arete limit?
>>98711707not sure if avatar strength refers to dots in avatar but even someone with 0 avatar can do true magick normally, they just can't gain and store quint without prime which isnt even required for casting in the first place>>98711718arete is not the same as avatar
>>98711718yes but not because of avatars. arete is enlightment and just like how not everyone can be a olympic gold medal winner or a mundane genius not everyone can make it to the top as a mage
>>98711718>>98711723Its more assumed that NPCs don't have the personal qualities needed to pass higher seekings and may progress slower. In mage everyone has the same potential in the technical sense.
>>98711616things bastet love: magic items, secrets, glamorous and interesting people, pretending to guide you to some greater understanding aka meddling with shit, being mostly alone in some cool secure den and last but not least being pethmm, I wonder how an enterprising feline could fulfill all of those conditions.. If only there was some incel in a wizard tower with a neurotic need to gain greater understanding of the secrets of the universe..
>>98709903We could always start telling stories about the most embarrassing LARP orgy we've ever heard about.
>>98711707>"There are three kinds of people. You've got the 85%, people who live hand to mouth never living up to their fullest potential enslaved by the circumstances thet surround them, then there's the 10% who are those doing their level best to keep it that way." >"Whites?" >"Time was, yeah; these days it's a lot more integrated. Sick sad kind of progress, now anyone can hold the whip, keep his fellows in chains. Anyway, lastly there's the 5%, we have one goal and we're not stopping until we get it. Liberating the 85%, rendering all men as they ought to be." >"Mages?" >"Sure white boy, 'Mages'"
>>98711718Not limit I know of but generally, yeah. I don't remember where but I think they even mentioned lack of a strong Avatar means smaller ambitions too. I need to go through the books to confirm it.>>98711723Yes? But that isn't what I am talking about. Most people basically has negative amount of Avatar, Arete or both if put into mechanical terms. Hell, technically, you can have the strongest Avatar in the world but might not possess the will or ego or arete to Awaken. (But a Primer can help in that case)
So Shark’s about to get a new body. Taken by force from a Black Spiral Dancer by Anubis. ST even revealed to us that he has the special power to create abominations with a 100% success rate. Apparently in our game it was he that allowed Set to embrace Sobek.So since I’m starting with a clean slate, and free of the Nosferatu curse, I’m wondering what Shark’s new body should look like.>>98711667You should pitch in too if you want
>>98711739>greater understanding of the secrets of the universewhat happens when the wizard asks the obvious question, i.e. if the Bastet know all these great truths then why aren't they calling the shots instead of badgering Hermetics for free bed & board?
>>98711773Abomination as in Werewolf-Vampire?
>>98711784they aren't getting free bed and board if anythingthe wizzard is getting the bed (den realm) for his supernatural insight and knowledgethe bastet get's enchanted items and sorcery training the wizard get's a powerful bodyguardbut the book that introduces the concept of consors is written by goatboy and because of that it does paint mages as the main characters of wod and consors as those who accept that
>>98711554The Lasombra artists only do realistic portraits while the Tzimisce hyperfocus on bodymods. Neither of these translates well into logo and uniform design.
>>98711784because the Bastet is a wise humble mentor-guide and and not at all making shit up & watching the fireballs, now stop asking questions and make more magic items>>98711801the part about werecats as consors is very clear "a werecat is incredibly unlikely to view itself as a sidekick to a wizard" in other words, it's profiteering or has mutually beneficial goals
>>98711801>but the book that introduces the concept of consors is written by goatboyTo be fair to the feet wizard, he is legitimately one of the core writers of WTA since the 2nd Edition.
>>98709735You're thinking of gay porn, not frat movies.
>>98711821Do they not have any graphic designers among their ranks? Not even any ghoul who went to art school?
god, goatboy autism is a morbillion times more preferable than how w5 turned out. atleast older authors had nuance and subtly in their dictionary.
>>98711637personal totems can teach you gifts and how to werewolf without a tribe, im pretty sure a tribes totem, if its also your personal totem, could give you the rite of passage and make you officially part of the tribe while being packless. and to a hermetic thats kinda just bargaining with your ancestor spirits or personal guardian angels.
>>98711833They all get brain damage from the shovels.
>book WW3063 was released in 1998>book WW3064 was released in... 1995?What happened here?
>>98711840>preferable than how w5 turned outAnon, that is the very definition of a low bar to clear. If we're going to be nostalgic for oWoD, could we at least stick to pining for the parts of it that didn't suck?>atleast older authors had nuance and subtly in their dictionaryWell,no, they didn't.
>>98711821>Neither of these translates well into logo and uniform design.They should work on fixing that then, it'd do wonders for morale and unit cohesion even before the Vaulderie.
>>98711789Yes. Fifth gen even.
>>98711856Good morning sir, you're in the wrong thread
>>98711821> into logo and uniform design.the entire sabbat is founded on the idea that they can sell the illusion of personal freedom to young vampires while binding them with blood magic so it's herding cats to a degree that if you as regent of the sababt and would try to introduce any form of uniformation you might cause yet another sabbat civil war... if they don't just kill you>>98711833they had to rely on the toreador antitribu but those guys all ended up doing blood coke because someone replaced half the bloodline with embraces from a revenant familly that had at it's weakness that it was weak to hedonism (not kidding that actually happened)so no the sabbat does not really do art outside of body horror
>>98711863But I want the Sabbat to have cool aesthetics!
>>98711663if you go by vampire population stats there should only be like 40 vampires in LA max. and 400 total in the US
>>98711856They are too busy playing games like Werewolf tag.
>>98711854my standards might just be so low but w5 just straight up removed any of the nuanced commentary the previous authors had. the black furies had their entire backstory scrubbed clean and so they no longer have to face their historical mistakes or prejudices. same with the wendigo no longer serving as juxtapostion with the uktena (who are less vengeful and more open to cooperation) on how some native attitudes might be problematic.
>>98711865>you might cause yet another sabbat civil war... if they don't just kill youSo the "Nod" faction has yet another civil war punctuated by assassinations and/or executions... what else is new?
>>98711566>Imagine the potential of being a mage with a sympathetic Garou as an ally.Ah, my favorite semi-disposable pawn. Doing anything I want because I promised to help with some spirits while in reality I'll be making the perfect crystal of meth.
>>98711880yeah population in wod is stupid> Only so many hunters can be supported by one herd. In years past only one Kindred lived within each city and eachcould claim it as her own domain. When cities were small, being a race of loners was an effective survival tactic. However, as cities have grown, so has the population of hunters. Now it is no longer rare for many to live within the samedomain. A large city, such as San Francisco or Hamburg, normally supports a vampire population of anywhere from 15 to30 undead. Larger cities like New York or greater London hold a proportionately larger population, and less reside insmaller cities. As a rule of thumb, assume that there is one vampire for every 100,000 mortals. Thus, the greater Chicago metropolitan area, a region of seven million mortals, can reasonably support nearly 70 vampires. Often a prince will artificially regulate how many Kindred reside within the city, thus ensuring the sanctity of the Masquerade. The cities could certainly hold more Kindred, but there are legitimate fears of discovery-vtm 2e corebooksan a city who had in 1999 a population of roughly 775.000 people and hamburg which had 1.7 million people had a population of: the prince + 7 primogen + their one(san) or two(ham) childe each... who also have to fill in the role of sherrif, seneschal, scourge and the anarchs and the opressed titless player characterand kindred we are told over and over again are the most nummerous supernatural on earth (thus not counting wraiths and demons in the underworld)
>>98711945nothing really. it's just what's gonna happensabbat had 4 already and they keep happening faster and faster
>>98711566>Orphan wizard that styles themselves after Gandalf>in exchange for werewolf wisdom on matters Spiritual, supplies Garou bro with potent pipeweed to help keep the Rage under control 'til it's time to put Wyrm insides on the outside
The Akashics the only objectively correct Tradition.
>>98711773shark should reincarnate as a garou lolipire
>>98711597wouldnt a kinfolk just register as a magickally latent individual. and theres no way for fortunae to know for sure if any kinfolk recruit is going to have the first change, they could just be a dud, unless they waste high level magick to find out and at that point just use magick to make sure they can never have the first change.
>>98711637>Average Hermetic wondering why he has no friends and everyone on his "side" hates him
>>98712053>wouldnt a kinfolk just register as a magickally latent individual.not at all? again they are watching these guys for years for signs of a unawakened avatar in addition to using magic>theres no way for fortunae to know for sure if any kinfolk recruit is going to have the first changethere actually is if a fera is a fera or a kinfolk is determined at the moment of inception and as fera they would be governed under both the spirit and life sphere in a way a kinfolk isn't>unless they waste high level magick to find out and at that point just use magick to make sure they can never have the first change.high level magic? a mage with spirit 1 can already see if someone is a fera (or possessed by a spirit) or not
>>98711921W5 was just exceptionally bad not because the writers lacked subtlety, but more because the head guy really just didn't like Werewolf or Werewolf fans
>>98712069hermetics have lots of friends, being the most political and numerous mage faction. They just happen to all be other hermetic chuds or respectably demure lowly servants come to bask in the glory of one of the awakened.
>>98712027curious way of spelling euthanatoi
>>98712069hey they are friends with old clan (faction) tzimisce... not sure i would boast about that myself if i was one of them or about the fact that it is because the tzimisce saved them from the tremere but it's true
>>98712082well i rule the difference between kinfolk and ferra is determined at the first change. a kinfolk could technically change any point in their lives but often only in puberty and high stress incidents.
>>98712027>he says after challenging a rival to mortal combat because his shoe was slightly dirtied
>>98712084I've seen testimonials about him hating the Get of Fenris in particular, conflating them with the Sword of Heimdall camp that wasn't even supposed to exist anymore, but I haven't seen anything about him hating werewolves generally
>>98712129then you are asking about your homebrew and the entire line of questioning makes no sense because in canon that's not sothe first change does not work the same as the awakening of mages a fera even before the first change was never a kinfolk (excluding skindancers and certain other magics) at all they could in theory have kids with a normie before the first change and the child would be a kinfolk and they would not be able to take kinfolk only merits and so forth
>>98712088>>98712118>Can circle jerk with athletic furries and degenerate druids and a ton of weed>versus circle jerk with the only available party (fat greasy chuds in bathrobes and someone's extremely ancient ancestor who looks like a dried pickle)
>>98712053entropy or time would literally tell you if someone had a good chance of awakening or not
>>98712149there is literally nothing that states in lore that someone is a fera or kinfolk at birth. CHARACTERS are kinfolk or fera at CHARACTER CREATION not birth. in almost every way the first change is like the awakening, just like the embrace is, they are all awakened creatures just in different ways.
>>98712145I think more recently there were posts about his particular willingness to change and scrub old lore as well as his refusal to care in particular for it. Also though more ancient a few posts about him disliking werewolf's main audience and some term for people too into the lore. I think the Get post is the one that's most infamous but he pretty much ruined every tribe
>>98711663>one in five millionI thought the vampire to mage ratio was just a little bit closer than 50 to 1.
>>98712163yeah a good chance not certainty and still required entropy 4
>>98712155I call this meeting of the chuds convened, our first order of business: how to magick those dumb savage forest/druids witches so they no longer have cool weed and look like the old crones they really are.Ascension war? Personal enlightenment? Please my friends, we've priorities. We need to preserve our image as the most reasonable and effective of the traditions. By sabotaging all the other ones.
>>98712163Couldn't a Fera just tell who will Awaken in the future, by peeking into the Umbra and seeing if they have a nascent Avatar?
>>98712198Poison their weed and feed their location to deforestation discussions, this'll be perfect and surely not backfire
>>98712198>instead of all this bickering and backbiting, someone convinces the Traditions to work out their differences with a game of basketball
Gangrel Quest: The Conqueror Worm>>>/qst/6454012
>>98712164anon... kinfolk is not a state it's literaly "a breed a apart" it's genetic not it just didn't happen it's that they are just carriers for the gene there is even a term for pre change garou: cubs> We’re spirits made flesh. We’re creatures of the two worlds — man and beast, flesh and spirit. It’s this way from birth>A child of a werewolf has about a 10-percent chance that he himself will be born a “full-blooded” Garou — not good odds. Some werewolves manage to divine their children’s true nature at birth. Those without the proper resources to do so don’t discover which if any of their cubs are Garou until the young ones reach adolescence>will be born a "full-blooded” Garou >Half-blooded children are known as Kinfolkrevised corebook>The Kinfolk have privileged knowledge of Gaia and her children, the Garou. Yet, except for their peripheral roles as wives, lovers, children and friends, they remain forever apartKinfolk Unsung Heroes>Kinfolk — people who possess werewolf blood but are not shapechangers themselves>The child of a werewolf more commonly only carries the werewolf gene. Such carriers are called Kinfolk. >The term “cub” refers, in Garou society, to a werewolf who either has not yet Changed>it isn’t typically possible to tell a pre-Change werewolf from a Kinfolk. Rumor has it that certain divinatory rites once allowed certain knowledge of whether a child would eventually Change, but if these rites ever existed, they are lost to modern Garou>It sometimes happens that a Kin-Fetch, a werewolf, or a helpful spirit identifies a Garou pre-Change.>When a Garou has a child (or cub) with a Kinfolk, their offspring has about a 10% chance of becoming Garou; the other 90% are Kinfolk. Garou matings with non-Kinfolk almost always produce Kinfolk rather than Garou, although such pairings are most often short-term, making data difficult to collectw20 corebook
>>98712038That’s… a suggestion…
>>98712239oh wow, /qst/ still exist
>>98712175actually another book claims it's 250 to 1 outside of wartime where vampries tend to embrace more which would mean that the traditions, the union and the crafts only get 1 in 5 to actually awakenas said earlier in this thread wod population numbers are total garbage
>>98712253that would mean the chantry of San Francisco has 6% of a mage
>>98712245There is no such thing as the Werewolf gene, come on now.
>>98712319how have you read wta and not gotten to the eugenics part?>Modern Garou often speak about a Garou “gene” that determines whether a given child is actually a Garou or is just a Kinfolk. In other words, it’s an inheritance that is determined in the womb — or even prior to conception, if you believe some of the wilder spiritual speculations about predestination among Gaia’s warriors. >Kinfolk A Breed Apart
>>98712319actually this, the werewolf part is all spiritual. metis are that way because its spiritual incest.
>>98712344yes and thats kooky bullshit and probably a technocratic psyop to make werewolves conform to the consensus better
>>98712319When they say "werewolf gene" they're talking metaphorically, they don't literally mean a genetic sequence
>>98712344Point to me where on the genome I can find this so called "Garou" gene.
>>98712319>>98712351the game calls it "Spiritual Genetics" i am not kidding in wta spirits and fera just have supernatural extra genes that modern sleeper science can detect DNA the company managed to do so in revised
>>98712374you would have to call the Developmental Neogenetics Amalgamated office for that because they managed to do that they call it the GLS (Genetic Lycanthrope Syndrome) and are working on a curelike guys werewolf IS stupid this has been a thing since it's first edition
>>98712364>>98712384>>98712398This sounds heretical It's kind of stupid, but imo it's hard not to get somewhere stupid like this when talking about wherewolves. Ideally it'd be kept strictly spiritual but if you progress magical science enough in a direction they'd be able to manipulate and catalogue that also
>>98712384> DNA the company managed to do so in revisednot revised they had knew about garou since their first write up in the werewolf story teller book and later book of weaver both of which is 1e werewolf stuff. their cure just wouldn't come in later as part of wta's toj scenario>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Developmental_Neogenetics_Amalgamatedthere is just a sleeper bio corp in wta that has figured that there are werewolves and has told nobody and are hunting them with the same budget they use for research into other other genetic diseasesit's same setting as the book weaver and it's mundane mechas that are seen as useless dust catchers after all
>>98712398i barely recall that it was explicitly stated that neither they nor pentex have been able to find the specific gene and can only repress the first change by using hormone blockers or something
>>98712384>>98712398>>98712408>>98712428all this to say being a werewolf is not normal genetics and is as scientific as the curse of cain. a kinfolk being an actual kinfolk or ferra can possibly be at birth or at first change. you wont know from doing a DNA test and you might get shakey results using magical divination. wouldnt it be fucked up a pack leaders son was divined to be a great werewolf leader like his father and he just never has his first change even into his 30s.
if we are at the topic of garou eugenics programs my favorite bit is that because of how the pure breed background works by raw your child can be more respected by garou for being your child than you can be yourself this is not a bug. this is actually how these guys (especially the silver fang) just roll
>>98712503You can just be a werewolf leader without being a werewolf.
>>98712518Presumably if you can produce high pure breed children, you yourself are pretty high pure breed. It's not that different from good bloodlines in european nobility even if it also gave some kek-tier results like the Hapsburg
>>98712503no it's not m8>. you wont know from doing a DNA testDevelopmental Neogenetics Amalgamated did it they can even test if you are lupus or hormid born >a kinfolk being an actual kinfolk or ferra can possibly be at birth or at first change.NO again only at birth you are either a cub (10% chance) or a kinfolk (90% chance) this actually changes stuff for breeding even before the first change because kinfolk + normie = normie while fera (even cub) + normie = kinfolka cub can also not be made to awaken using alchemy because they are not human in the way a kinfolk are> you might get shakey results using magical divinationthat's because the garou have lost the rites for it. everyone else who has aura sight can figure it out just fineit's silly but WtA IS the silly eugenics simulator game may i introduce you to werewolf the forsaken or god forbid w5 for a take on this that might be more up your alley
>>98712545DNA did not develop a test to confirm if someone is a kinfolk or garou before the first change. this is like knowing if someone is going to awaken from a dna test or only breeding awakened together so all their children will awaken. its spiritual genetics that can be manipulated by magick and operate on magickal rules.
>>98712545also a cub is a werewolf AFTER his first change and before his rite of passage because theres no fucking way to know for sure if hes a garou or kinfolk before
>>98712545>Developmental Neogenetics Amalgamated did it they can even test if you are lupus or hormid bornNope. They explicitly cannot genetically test if someone has any variant of GLS, they are only able to determine this through observation of supernatural occurrences. For all of their attempts at scientific categorisation, DNA has no conclusive evidence that GLS is an actual genetic condition, they're just committed to perceiving it as such because one of their themes is science as blind dogma.
>>98712588no it's not because on IS genetic and one is a event onlythe entire point of fera is that they are not really human and only related by two degrees of seperation that's why they can do stuff like the impergium and have all that other anti human stuff in the books you are meant to put yourself in a place where you are not human and because of that you can see that humans as they are right now are bad for the worldapocalypse might not be your game m8 and i don't mean this in a judgy way because it's silly it's camp and anti science and furry adjacent and more in a way not everyone finds fun while w5 is a bad joke i might acutally suggest forsaken because there werewolves are equal parts half human half spirit and while wolfblooded exists that it also extent of it and you don't have to deal with silly super science that the books keep telling us is not magical like all the other kinds of super sciences in the setting or entire pages about supernatural breeding
>>98712601Unless you can detect souls. Kinfolk get human ones.
>>98712527>Your Alpha is.. a Kinfolk? >We win when we listen to him. When we make up a plan ourselves it gets really retarded. Probably because we're retarded.
>>98712623they have a wolf and human soul amalgamated together, starting when they change.>>98712622source? you are literally making shit up like DNA being able to tell lupus and homid apart
>>98712601now that's flat out wrong. i am >>98712245 but i am not the DNA anon and w20's corebook does say>The term “cub” refers, in Garou society, to a werewolf who either has not yet Changed, or has not yet accepted her place as a Garou. The first application of the term is usually only used in retrospective, obviously, since it isn’t typically possible to tell a pre-Change werewolf from a Kinfolk. Rumor has it that certain divinatory rites once allowed certain knowledge of whether a child would eventually Change, but if these rites ever existed, they are lost to modern Garou. pd 42so a cub is a garou and not a kinfolk >Garou heredity, being an amalgam of physical and spiritual factors, is not an exact science. With a few exceptions — Garou-Garou parents always produce sterile metis, and the offspring of a Garou is always either Garou or Kinfolk — we speak of Garou genetics more in overarching trends than in specifics. When a Garou has a child (or cub) with a Kinfolk, their offspring has about a 10% chance of becoming Garou; the other 90% are Kinfolk. Garou matings with non-Kinfolk almost always produce Kinfolk rather than Garou, although such pairings are most oftenshort-term, making data difficult to collect. About half the time, children born of two Kinfolk will be Kinfolk themselves; one in one hundred such births will produce a Garou. The rest will be non Kinfolk humans or wolvesand kinfolk apart does again say this>>98712344so a soon to be garou and kinfolk are different but not in a way that garou can tell without the help of spirits, but the orignal question was about hermetics and those can it's just spirit 1 or life 1 with halved successes or spirit 1 + life 1 without halved successes
>>98712651"The first application of the term is usually only used in retrospective, obviously" obviously
>>98712657>since it isn’t typically possible to tell a pre-Change werewolf from a Kinfolk.because they can't tell not because there isn't a difference
>>98712664yet it never explains what that difference is except one goes through the change and the other doesn't a kinfolk can even have gnosis and never have the first change.
i now fully understand why w5 dropped the kinfolk wieck slop
>>98712680because umm.. that's icky? Our protagonists doing something eugenics adjacent or the setting making it the obviously best choice? like, umm yes??? You'll find plenty of "people" praising w5 along those lines on reddit.
>>98712696its not even about that its about its retarded in the first place to say there is an actual genome that causes a werewolf gene and not a spiritual thing and its retarded for there to be heave story significance there being no real way to tell the difference between a kinfolk that could go through the change and one that never will and how there might not be a difference really just some do and some dont. also the "10% become garou and 90% become kinfolk" stat is retarded and survivors bias because you can only tell after they change. that other 90% could change at any time because theres no way to tell.
>>98712670>yet it never explains what that difference is except one goes through the change and the other doesn't a kinfolk can even have gnosis and never have the first change.yes because that it's anon, they are kinfolk and not garou but that they will never go through the first change and that their children has less chance of becoming garou or kinfolk unless a garou the other parent are the only differences really beside another one that i am going to mention down later that's why the revised book uses the term fullblooded for garou and half blooded for kinfolk>A child of a werewolf has about a 10-percent chance that he himself will be born a “full-blooded” Garou — not good odds. Some werewolves manage to divine their children’s true nature at birth. Those without the proper resources to do so don’t discover which if any of their cubs are Garou until the young ones reach adolescence>Half-blooded children are known as Kinfolkno idea why they changed that for w20 perhaps onyx path thought that this was a step too far?and what that is they are lacking is not entirely clear the skindancer ritual might imply that they are not attuned to luna the same way the "pureblood" garou are because all pelts need to be from the same auspice however which one is fully up the skinner which means that the kinfolk is lacking a original one despite that also being something that for garou is choosen at birth>Auspices>At the moment a werewolf is born, she inherits an ancient legacy. Her breed will shape her view of the world, and one day, her tribe will teach her how to survive. Her fate in life, on the other hand, is shaped by something far more mystical. The phase of the moon at the instant of a werewolf’s birth determines her auspice the role she is destined to play in Garou society.also from the revised corebook
>>98712747Those who were written off as kinfolk but receive a late first change are literal potential plot points or character concepts mentioned in various books. Making it difficult for metagamers to genetic test kinfolk is intended.
>>98712747No it is 100% about that for paradox lol. I think you might just be autistic because nobody fucking cares. It's not a "genome" it's spiritual inheritance likened to a gene you fucking troglodyte retard. You used to be able to tell pre-w20 when they pivoted and said you can't. Why? Because it's more dramatic that way, and is better for storytelling purposes. It even tells you there supposedly was lost rites for doing it.Also why prattle on about survivorship bias, who the fuck cares? Kinfolk aren't being slaughtered en masse. And yes, kinfolk (or rather garou, as you are garou from birth) can change even very late but it almost always happens early. It's even possibly to stop a shifter from undergoing the first change, famously you can repress it with your own sheer willpower and cause yourself to become a lunatic. But again why does this matter? Why are you being a sperg about it? There's also the pure breed background which canonically increases the chance of your children being garou, which is a major and very significant part of garou society, having dots in pure breed and or having your children undergo first change is super high prestige.
W20's version of the Baptism of Fire does state that Garou determine whether a child born of Kinfolk is Garou within a month of their birth, typically through Scent of the True Form, before they use the rite to give them a Kin-Fetch.However, W20 also states everywhere else where it mentions Kin-Fetches that they are given to all Kinfolk in a scattershot fashion in order to keep track of them and just in case any of them ever do actually become Garou.W20 also states that sometimes, a Garou soon to go through their First Change can be figured out before it occurs, though it doesn't go into detail about how this is done.In the end, Garou heredity is not an exact science and anything that anyone has identified about it, whether they're DNA or the Garou Nation or anyone else, is just observation rather than a hard rule. The only two exceptions to this are that Garou pairings always produce metis and Garou always produce either Garou or Kinfolk, no matter who or what they pair with.This whole clusterfuck of a conversation comes from people mixing up heredity and genetics and assuming that all heredity must be genetic, when it has unquantifiable spiritual components for werewolves.
>>98710150I seem to only have the passion for writing between 12:30am and 1:30am. I think the fairies steal my glamour while Im asleep.>>98711224I am not a furry! *tail swish*>>98711667Would you be interested in doing a lewd pin up of Bakeslave where his tentacles hide the naughty bits?
Isn't there a thing where werewolves can just have kid with spirits too? I remember anons mentioning an anon who called garou retards for not establishing spirit rape camps in the umbra
>>98712813"Spirit Heritage" is described as an "ancestral tie to a household of spirits" and spirits view Garou who have this Background as "one of their own." It doesn't outright say how it's possible at all with none of the details providing anything to support the name of the Background, which implies that the Garou has spirit heritage.So if Garou can breed with spirits, we don't know anything about it and it's even less of a science than anything involving Kinfolk.
>>98712813everyone can have kids with spirits the laham merit is not limited to mages as normies and sorcerers can have it too the problem is more getting to one as a normie than if you can have kids with it
anon before the kinfolk stuff mentioned how population in wod is too lowi vaguely remember that they been better in cofd with like 1% being full splat and 5% being minior templates and other people in the know, but i don't remember in which book that was . does anyone else remember what i am talking about?
>>98712854It's a game, not a bible, who gives a fuck about the official lore numbers, the supernatural population of a city is whatever the ST wants to be in order to make the story that they want to tell happen.
>>98712892i wanted to make a post on another website comparing the number of npcs in city books to the "offical population" numbers and thought that this would be a good small thing to mention
>>98712828Plapping the spirits... It'd be like brat-taming with some of them (like Owl)>>98712854>>98712892>>98712898Your official metrics should put something like LA around 30ish kindred and in Bloodlines you slaughter vamps by the hundreds and there's some spare Camarilla goons. It's best to just let it ride
>>98712804this is basically what iv been saying and autists want to sperg out about how that gets rid of the eugenics part of werewolf or something
>>98711500Canonically a decent number of LA toreador have thau since VV was working with Strauss behind the scenes
>>98713006>canonicallyBJD slop or L.A. by Night fanfic?
Alright, since this was a topic last thread and people kept saying how Vampire's humanity system despite not being a bad idea kind of sucks in implementation, I would like to ask you vampfags:What would a GOOD Humanity system look like to you? I heard goods things about the paths
>>98712948> It's best to just let it rideagain i am not actually interested in using it i am going to compare it to the city books with the population of the time of publicationfor example berlin in 1993 had a population of 3,475,392 and by berlin by night it has 28 vampires living there (not counting vampires who are only visiting for the false caine stuff) so it's actually slightly under, but will very likely be over if you insert players, sires etcWashington, D.C. population 1995 580,517 so only 5.8 vampires right? no it has 38just for fun and to show newbies that white wolf also didn't give a shit
>>98713006wouldn't mina be older than V.V or atleast a peer? deadlock seems like it plays around 1940 - 1950but spiritus is going to be harder to come by than thaum i imagine unless you know some filthy valkyre wanna be cat girl biker vampires
>V5 has been out for a decade now>Just now found out about Loresheets>They're like Style Merits from Chronicles, but you don't have to take individual ranks in orderOkay, one more thing I like from 5th edition. Still wouldn't actually play it but I could incorporate the idea into a 20th Anniversary or Chronicles campaign.
>>98710548Reminder that learning and using Vicissitude makes you no less infected by the eldest as every single DNA strand is already compromised and nothing you can do can make it go over 100%
>>98712696Not even reddit likes w5, there's a reason 5th is considered a failed edition
>>98712545
>>98713046i feel personal convictions that you shouldn't break like as if anyone had their own unique path or atleast a set of sins from a list
>>98712398>and are working on a cureI though they were working on a bioweapon
>>98713563They'll need a dispersal system for the cure, and after it's built and the job is done there can be discussions about what else to load into it.
>>98713563They already have a bioweapon, Project Reaper has been designed to wipe out all Fera and their Kinfolk, to be used as a last resort if GLS reaches a critical mass before DNA has developed gene therapy to point where they can reverse genetic damage caused by GLS.The main hole in this is how they managed to develop a bioweapon that genetically targets Fera and their Kinfolk when they can't identify actual genetic markers of GLS and aren't even aware of Fera other than Garou, but that's probably due to the other big hook of DNA, that they have an unknown backer who keeps them afloat and provides them with effectively infinite funding and research material. I have no doubt that whoever this backer is, they probably provided the secret sauce that makes Project Reaper function.
>>98713789has to be technocracy because their other sponsor pentex isn't going to friendly fire on black spirals
>>98713789wasn't it Shinzui? or am i confusing a toj-ism for main canon again? been honestly ages since i read the apocalypse book
>>98713803>Pentex>Unwilling to friendly fire to kill garou
>>98713813Even in the Apocalypse book, DNA doesn't have any confirmed backer. It's intentionally left with an unknown backer as a hook for STs to use in the Book of the Weaver.
>>98713803wasn't pentex planning to purge the black spiral dancers as soon as they weren't needed anymore? from what i remember that was what the whole mockery breed thing was about meanwhile the black spiral dancers wanted to replace the company leadership with their own
Mothheads been awful quiet, how do they measure Renown?
>>98711773Hmm... I'll see if I can come up with something. Might take a bit of time to figure out a way to make him look well.... Sharky but still obviously an Abomination.>>98712806Anything for Bakeslave. I'll hammer something out when I get home from work.
>>98713803The Progenitors were sharing some of their stuff with them so funding wouldn't be that weird. Literally outsourcing dealing with deviants.
>>98711689I agree, but I tried to stay as close to the original as I could.
>>98712239Thanks for sharing.
>>98713046Requiem was a good system since it made it about how alien to humanity your character is rather than a morality meter.
>>98711773I think it’s important to think about what sort of vibe would you want to put off. Do you want to go MORE monstrous? An absolute freak of nature? Or maybe you want something more slimmed down and subdued? Think Frieza final form compared to his previous forms. There’s a joy in having something be far more powerful than it appears to be.Sorry for not having more to offer, but having an idea of which direction you wanna go helps a lot.
>>98713475I WILL find the werewolf gene and I WILL genetic engineer the werewolves to cure them and then I WILL put that gene into random populations for no reason other than because I want to be the only one in control
>>98714433>You could cure cancer with that technology!>But I don't want to cure cancer, I want to make werewolves.
>>98713046>>98714083A good humanity system would likely measure a lot of shit like temporal cultural displacement, non-human thought (humans as cattle, etc), physical distortion from humanity, and borrowing a little bit shit from Fate, spiritual/magical distortion from humanity. I think turning into a Wight when you go full 0 humanity is a bit dumb especially given how there are paths and shit to stabilize your beast anyway, so I'd have wights specifically be extremely low humanity vampires that can't sate their hunger and get destabilized, either through near death, torpor, or just being extremely hungy for a long time.As for the system itself, a good humanity tracker should probably go from some arbitrary negative value to a positive value showing how deeply non-human you are, anything below something like -25/100 would be low humanity but anything above 50/100 would be high humanity.In this system, we'd have something like>A high humanity vampire has a cultural tether to modern humanity, either a friend, hobby, obsession, knowledge>A high humanity vampire looks or can at least partially masquerade as humanoid>a high humanity vampire recognizes humanity for being humanity and not consistently just livestock and servants, whether this takes the part of recognizing individual human worth for more than siring or ghouling or if it's deeper is up to the ST and player>a high humanity vampire should roughly believe themselves human enough to spiritually perceive themselves as such, and should not be capable of magical feats overwhelmingly more advanced than what a specialized human sorcerer could do (though this means disciplines above 3 likely will incur a humanity loss, an exception can be given to what your character specializes in.)This is all very autistic though
>>98714457Gaia should thank me with roadhead for doing her work
>>98712319They keep flip flopping on this; sometimes they are being metaphorical with it, sometimes literal. A werewolf 'gene' is incredibly stupid and needs to be dropped. Being a werewolf is a spiritual condition not a combination of AT GC pairs you can locate on a strand of DNA.
>>98714433Humanity isn't yours to change.
>>98714553It isn't yours either. Maybe humanity isn't a trophy to be fought over at all, but a group of actual people who deserve the chance to choose their fate.
In case it needs to be said, Mage books went over this multiple times.
>>98714634>You're wrong for wanting to depose the people behind Epstein Island, blood clot vaccines, drone warfare, mass third world migration, foreverwars, automatic healthcare rejection algorithms, trademarked seeds monopoly, debt slavery, the surveilance state, the opioid epidemic and the porn industry!>...................................why?>Well uh uuuuuh well erm uuuuh because the alternative might be worse or somethingGee, this all sounds (((familiar))).
>>98714706...that's what you get from that?Anon, get some help.
>>98714602Look around you, humanity chose their their fate. You've been deemed obsolete.
>>98714711It's our resident tard posting reddit-tier bait. Move along and pay it no attetion, citizen.
>>98714706To be fair anon, people didn't know about the elite epsteinmaxxing back then to the degree they do today so cut white wolf some slack there. Still in some books they begrudgingly admit that not everything the Technocracy broughtbis a bad thing at least.
>>98714634In your opinion, what does that image say? All I see are a collection of thought-provoking questions designed to make players consider the moral quandary that their characters are stuck in.
>>98714706honestly most of your issues sounds american (and perhaps has something to do with turning USA into the next England)
>>98714771Those are global issues you gigantic mongoloid.
>>98712239>Gangrel
>>98714787not...really? Out of everything you listed, I would only agree with the surveillance state being a global problem.Epstein stuff is basically something everyone knew was happening even if they had no proof. Rich/Royal/Nobles did stuff like that all the time. No one cares about blood clot stuff. Drone warfare is basically guns V2 and will be normalizedmigration always happened and eventually will stabilize, foreverwars is a misnomer because there was no time our history where there was no war, "automatic healthcare rejection algorithms" or whatever is mostly USA special (hell, I can't remember last time I paid for medical stuff beyond a pocket change), trademarks are dumb yes, making trademarks of seeds are especially dumb but it is incredibly stupid will be basically ignored in the first serious casedebt slavery is unfortunately real but like...we haven't even got rid of actual slavery so eh, I can't remember the last time I heard about opioids or porn (beyond credit card companies being prudes)
>>98714766Honestly, it is basically the classic superpowers question. But with the twist that reality is democratic, unfortunately for the minority
>>98714831>But with the twist that reality is democratic, unfortunately for the minorityAnd like any democracy, the majority can be fooled into voting against their interests, or for something that they're not aware of. I mean, are they aware that a cabal of technomancers rules the world from the shadows and is intentionally shaping them into being compliant consumer-labourers who aren't allowed to choose anything but that choice, at risk of being labelled a deviant or a deviant sympathiser?
>>98714527I can't say for sure, I'll need to kidnap and breed more werewolves.
>>98714553And who decided that?
>>98714869Me.
>>98714869My phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range
>>98714464>A good humanity system would likely measure a lot of shit like temporal cultural displacement, non-human thought (humans as cattle, etc), physical distortion from humanityAnd those are already breaking point in VtR2e. From there it's a matter ST deciding how much emphasis to put on each aspect.
New bread will be posted shortly. >>98713935I know he has his neko and human form so I was thinking of a mix. Half black hair half blonde. One eye normal while the other one is black with a spiral pupil. I always imagined his tentacles looking similar to large intestines. Thank you. I cant wait to see him in his horrific glory.
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>>98713873combination of how Garou do it and what the Big Moth (the spirit) thinks?
>>98714634umm.. but is killing demons and rooting out corruption REALLY good? Maybe you SHOULD just let shut up and consume slop, the technocracy is in the right to do THEIR magick because.. it just is, okay?I am not against moral gray, in fact, I hate morally good protagonists in the world of darkness. But holy fucking shit whoever wrote this retarded shit needs to stop huffing his own farts. Not only is it retarded and preachy, it's also a massive waste of pagecount in a game that sorely needs far more explanation.
>>98714706Hey Anon, why did you randomly throw flat earth into that list of legitimate grievances? Anything you'd like to share with us?
>>98714857Anon, seeing Werewolves drives humans into a state not optimal for breeding much of anything. Breed the kinfolk.
