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Puppy Stomp Edition

>Community Links:
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https://www.unitcrunch.com
https://www.newrecruit.eu
https://wahapedia.ru
https://40k.gallery/

>paint stuff:
https://eavy-archive.com/
https://armycrafter.com/
https://paintpad.app/
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>3rd Party Models Pastebin:
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>Pre 10th Torrent:
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>10th/11th Edition Rules
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>Alternative rules:
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>How to Make Wargames Terrain (2e 2003)
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>Inferno! Magazine complete collection (1997-2004)
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>Warhammer Monthly complete collection (1989-2004)
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>Games Workshop/Citadel Miniatures painting guides (1989-2016)
https://archive.org/download/games-workshop-painting-guides/games-workshop-painting-guides_archive.torrent

>Current Collage Theme
Retro

>/40kg/'s dudes
https://pastebin.com/8MwSq81B

>Previous Thread:
>>98703556

>Thread Question:
What’s the most unfair mathup you’ve seen on the tabletop?
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>>98706235
>TQ
>mathup
I haven't seen such a thing as I suck at math.
But I do remember the days when Iron Hands were stupidly overpowered back in 8th I think and everyone was saying their marines are Iron Hands.
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>>98706235
>>98706244
>minor spelling mistake
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>>98706248
hey, where’s your source for space wolves having 3x the experience of normal marines btw?
while you’re at it, hows the progress on those hellblasters?
also, could you name a single modelposter who likes you?
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crab: space wolves
puffer: my retaliation cadre
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>TQ
My first time playing in 10th after taking a break since 8th was knights vs a random assortment of marines
I had a squad of tacticals, 2 boxnoughts that died first turn, autocannon predator, sternguard, and almost nothing to deal with armor
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>>98706248
hey here's some completed hellblasters, where's yours
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>>98706235
>TQ
I haven't been to a tournament so I haven't seen "unfair matchups" yet.
My LGS smells bad so I don't want see what it is like on tournament day.

>>98706245
fair enough anon.
It is still amazing that Vic is sculpting good female faces and that GW seems to do a bad job of it. And sometimes both at sculpting and painting them for webstore display.
I am gonna stick with the previous scales of the Imperial Guard but I wonder how I could modify the "kneepad scale" guard STLs to match the 2002 Cadian heroic scale. Vice versa too.
It is nice that she is beating GW to the punch with Mordian and Praetorian imperial guard. I gotta help the Aussie economy with my leafbucks on her mmf late pledge.
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>>98706260
>purple plasma
kino
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Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
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i le lika da orks ecks dee
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Wish necromancy was more of a thing in 40k. The only real zombies/undead are all nurgle rot/nurgle infected people. But non chaos undead would be cool, 40k maybe fantasy in space but it has no real necromancy
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>>98706258
funnily enough, there’s another model made of a space wolf getting stomped, but this time with a tau battlesuit, not sure if one inspired another, or its just a coincidence, but its cool that there’s two of them.
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>>98706292
>I lika da orks
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>>98706298
Oh that's mine, I did it for the collage.
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>>98706304
out of curiosity, were you inspired by the OP image when making it, or did you just also think your guy stomping on a marine was funny?
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>>98706295
There's some undead in the stitched-corpse Frankenstein's monster style of undead in a couple of places. And the Legion of the Damned are the closest thing to ghosts. The undead aesthetic has been largely reserved for Necrons though.
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>>98706317
Tau are one of the best armies at killing marines, woofs would get blasted off the board turn 3
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>>98706317
anon, they get their assholes blown out by dogs, you think they’ll stand a chance against tau?
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>The Imperium acts like if it wasn't besieged on all sides it wouldn't be a shithole
>Even though it had over 9,000 years since the end of the War of the Beast where it had no major enemies and yet still didn't do jack shit other than be its own worst enemy
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>>98706295
How else would you even do it without stepping on another faction's toes, namely Necrons?
Dark Mechanicum (if they ever get real models and rules) could be a neat way to explore Frankenstein's Monster-esque science necromancy in its servitors, I think, but otherwise?
I watched a guy make a kitbash killteam for homebrew based on the movie "Frankenstein's Army," that was a bunch of really neat ideas that would go along this really well I think. Wish I saved the video.
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>>98706321
>ogryns spotted
What are some close enough looking good proxies of those ogryns? I like the idea of having a variety of different ogryns for my guard army. I'm talking proportions and posture wise if that helps things. Haven't found good scans of those yet.
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>Yet another shit thread
I do miss the days where you could just post an army without having to choose a side for discord drama.
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buckbreaking swolves into useful and compliant gue'ron'sha auxiliaries
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>>98706304
RatFAG
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>>98706335
leeman rus sucks wolf dick before getting two-shot by a Broadside
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>>98706346
bruh you’re free to post your army anytime you like without anyone caring as long as you aren’t openly ban evading.
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>>98706350
>decalpedo has a new obsession
lol
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TOTAL ANAL GENOCIDE ON FENRIS

DAILY

ON A DAILY BASIS
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>>98706363
but anon
that is literally every single day
what do you think they get up to in the fang
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>looking up how to make good faces
>see pic rel on >reddit
>not a 3rd party face, it's bit much for my tastes but it's way better than most faces and I can just tone whatever I don't like down
>it's from some chinese social media site called xiaohongshu that makes you log in with a chinese phone number
Fuckers.
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I like orks :D
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>>98706371
oi das a great ork painting
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Why was Leman Russ named after a tank?
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>>98706317
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>deleted

That was quick
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>>98706371
Are you the ritual poster with or without models?
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>>98706376
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>>98706295
>But non chaos undead would be cool
That is literally Necrons.
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So tyranid warriors are going to get massive buffs when nids get their codex right? They can't just massively buff all marines and then leave tyranid warriors as they are, right?
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>>98706379
there’s anons who like to periodically post “I like orks :D” but if you see ork art attached, then its likely me and I do own models. here’s an ork alongside a wip of my minotaur :D
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>>98706407
Likely yes, but not as much as Custodes which is gay because before they were always on the same level as Custodes in stats (except armour save).

I'm more worried about Genestealers which are objectively in lore described as stronger, faster, and tougher than space marines, but are now probably going to get left in the dust by nu-designer fags.
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Decided to make his cloak yellow
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>>98706425
why is your thumbnail so small?
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>>98706338
I mean fleshy undead humans is pretty different from metallic undead robots.
Dark mech for frankstein monsters, like what the deldar sort of have could be really cool.
Dark mech as the flesh horror faction to compare to the metallic/cyborg horror of normal admech could be neat. We are lacking rooms and places made of meat in 40k
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I think I'm getting better with thinning paint, I think this is the thinnest I ever gotten the paint. Probably won't use red primer again because I wouldn't be able to tell if it's too thick
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>>98706427
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>>98706429
>let's give the dark MECHANICUS faction the dark eldar's gimmick

not making a great case for it, Anon

I have yet to see anybody come up with a gimmick for Darkmech that isn't already done perfectly by another faction. I don't just mean conceptually I mean also in terms of visual design language
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>>98706407
Do those guns look like cocks or is this a hungry man sees bread thing?
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>>98706429
>the flesh horror faction
This was nids originally before GW sanitized everything and made them bugs
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>>98706443
They're supposed to be a bit penicular. Trickle down Giger aesthetic
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>>98706443
>>98706447
The original rogue trader lore even made it explicit that they orgasmed when they fired as a reward response for killing things.
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>>98706435
test paint strokes on your hand to see if you've thinned it well, it should be opaque but still clearly show your skin texture
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>>98706374
He was the primarchs' designated semen tank.
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Have a wip. Playing around with the ork skin. Thinking about making the base have snow, might give some nice contrast. Also should I put a limited decal on the shoulder pad?
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>>98706407
T5 W5 warriors, I can feel it in my bones
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>>98706457
pretty sure that's Russ
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>>98706467
>T5
They need to be minimum T6 and should be T7 since that's what Custodes got.
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>>98706462
kino. have you settled on what you want the tattoo to be?
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>>98706462
put them in a field of grass and flowers and have the head about to get shoved into poop or a puddle.
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TabletopGODS, is there a better feeling than paintmogging a greytide/primerslop army across the field from you? Bonus points if you win the match and get the +10 vp while they don't.
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>>98706405
When I want a shambling horde of undead I don't think of super advanced robots anon. They don't act like zombies, they're terminators with a soft tomb king fluff of why they're everywhere
>>98706442
>dark eldar's gimmick
Anon you misunderstand what I mean by flesh horror. I was picturing stuff with pic related type aesthetics, which is very different to deldars pain engine creatures. Maybe dark mech isnt the right place for stuff like this but its what I'm talking about about a generic type of enemy/aesthetic 40k lacks
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>>98706462
limited sounds funny, have you considered making it 88 or thunderbolts as well? make it go full circle.
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>>98706476
Think I'll go with a generic orc skull. Cant do something too elaborate I want it to be readable as an ork symbol but not too busy. Or an evil sun/bad moon, we'll see.
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>>98706504
permanent means permanent
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>>98706504
High praise from you, thanks buddy.
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>>98706437
>>98706471
Based decalfag
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>>98706492
Yeah and you've been unable to explain what that aesthetic is. Pretty sure I've seen you post before. This shit for example looks nurglite.

I think you're just attracted to the abstract idea of originality but don't have enough imagination to come up with something original or to even notice the fact that something doesn't look original.

Guess that's why you don't work for the Design Studio
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>>98706504
you live in your car and molest stray dogs
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>>98706504
lol I remembered when you denied you shit on purpleanon a week ago. also, have you considered there are greater threats that took the space wolf down, and then the boy went in for the kill? looks like someone has a one track mind :)
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>>98706492
>When I want a shambling horde of undead I don't think of super advanced robots anon
You said "where's the Necromancy"

It's the guys called NECROns who have TOMB Worlds and TOMB Ships and GHOST Arks and WRAITHS and LYCH Guard and a giant fucking literal Grim Reaper as a centerpiece, I'm sorry if you don't like that answer and are an autist looking for an extremely specific niche thing but it's simply how it is.

If you want the fleshy zombie undead then you have Nurgle. You can even make Chaos Spawn that look like the meat golems you just posted.
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Reminder that space wolves deface the holy Crux Terminatus and may be rightly killed on sight as heretics
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>>98706504
https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/98678826/#98679654
>never said a bad thing about purpleanon
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>>98706517
>Reddit spacing
>'don't have enough imagination to come up with something original or to even notice the fact that something doesn't look original'
>In a thread about 40k of all things
lol lmao
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>>98706526
Damn did I miss a schizo episode? I'm falling behind on the lore.
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>>98706547
>muh reddit spacing
the easiest way to identify an election tourist
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WHO HERE JUST?
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>>98706295
>Wish necromancy was more of a thing in 40k.
..anon, the Eldar are the defacto necromancy faction. They have phylacteries and all of their shit is made out of wraithbone.
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>>98706544
>>98706526
Lmao he has wished death on him several times when the yiff pile has been posted. Guess he didn't know purple/retro anon made it.
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>>98706504
Why do you take personal offence at portrayals of wolves?
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>>98706536
Don't bother, this guy has been on the board for years going
"HEY WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF DARKMECH DID [thing that already exists] HERE'S A RANDOM PICTURE NOW IMAGINE A WHOLE ARMY LIKE THAT."

he's really bad at pitching ideas and doesn't seem to be able to pick up on themes and aesthetics unless they're spelled out to him. Which is strange cause you'd expect someone who sucks at visual pattern recognition to at least be somewhat eloquent.

And it's always specifically darkmech for some reason
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>>98706536
>The terminator killer robots have unit NAMES that are necromantic/undead themed.
>And a digital grim reaper alongside two other C'tan who do not have a necromantic design
I think you're being the autist and because necrons have some niche connection you can't consider other possibilties
>Chaos Spawn that look like the meat golems
That's a good point tbf
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>>98706504
Serious question, what would it take to get you to stop ban evading?
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Great thread everyone
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>>98706491
To be fair paintmogging someone isn't hard in the Warhammer space because most don't even paint and just want to play the game.
But I'd imagine it is a good feeling. I need to get going on painting. I fear that I am not ready for such a good high feeling and it might corrupt me. I'm not saying I'm a good moralistic person either.
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>>98706582
Anon I don't know who you've got me confused with I only mentioned dark mech in passing I've never posted about what their aesthetic or design should be.
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>>98706590
Every thread where we shit on the pedo is a great thread
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The creatively bankrupt James should just start making plastics of all the FW shit they've tried to get rid of. Their retarded feud with FW designs is one of the most retarded anti-consumer mindsets they've ever had and the amount of effort they'd save with not having to design new models compared to how much money they'd make selling such bitch-ass kits is probably off the fucking charts.
It doesn't have to be the biggest stuff either. If there's plastic baneblades and fellblades there's no reason to lack a plastic mecharius. If you can do a plastic fire prism you can do a plastic dark eldar reaper. If you can do a wraithknight you can do a wraithseer
GIVE me my FUCKING HAZARD SUITS BACK
GIVE ME HEAVY FUCKING GUN DRONES AGAIN
ASSHOLES
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>>98706597
This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them.
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>>98706606
Posting is a privilege, not a right.
Reflect upon the full implications of this statement and internalize them.
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>>98706606
For you to leave.
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>>98706606
If your detractors are just desperate for (you)s why give them what they want?
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>>98706608
I still can't figure out how the ForgeWorld team did the models good. Except for that one space wolf upside down bolter barrel goof.
The lore of the Imperium and few xenos stuff they did wasn't really that bad when it comes to obvious "to sell toys" lore wankery. And the designs weren't that bad either.
The paintjobs on the site did help a lot, but let's not kid ourselves that the sculpts were great designs.
I just am not sure how ForgeWorld did it. Maybe they were just having fun the whole time and the fun rubbed off, but that is probably just "soul" autism reasoning. I do believe that if creators are having fun it will reflect off but that's not a scientific explanation for something being done right if that makes sense.
I'm tired right now.
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>>98706608
This is a great point but I don't want plastic versions of the old nid forge world monsters I want them completely redone. They don't hold up too well.
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>>98706600
would be great if he didnt post at all desu
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>>98706609
Darkmechs aesthetic seems to be a vague 'snail' design purely because the negavoltists and those 30k epic dark mech spider tanks both have their eyes at the ends of mechanical tentacles.
Imagine snail eye stalks but a whole army
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>>98706606
hey decalfag, just a reminder you were given step by step instructions by the anon with the sticky notes what to do to get anons to stop bullying you. you followed only one, and gave up on the rest. I’d like to say personally I would have actually stopped bullying you if you followed through with it because it would have shown me you were capable of improvement, as it stands, I now know you barely pass as human, and any “improvements” on your part would be purely to save face rather than a genuine change of heart, and so now the only thing that can be done for me to stop harassing you is for you to stop posting altogether.
that is all.
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>>98706628
I think Luther Morgan explains it in his book
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Why haven't we gotten two handed power axe sisters of silence anons?
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>>98706648
I listened to that book, and have been watching a lot of lolcow content and so many behaviors remind me of the mutant its crazy.
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>>98706630
They were part of GW. The weren't a third party entity they had all access to all the designers and philosophies and resources. It's not even just the 40k stuff. They made whole BFG ranges, Epic 40k models, Fantasy models whose absence was like a popped cyst, etc.
Disregarding them is like cutting off your own thumbs.
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>>98706606
OOOH HE'S SHOWING HIS UDDERS

HE'S HURT! HE'S RAPED! HE'S SUBMITTING TO THE MILKENING!
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>>98706653
No one calls him decalanon
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tfw the jarl makes me milk him
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>>98706606
>Desperate for (you)s
I don't really care about that. If I did I would post my models every thread and inject myself into every conversation. And I'm sadly not here that much so if you've been getting into fights with someone posting the pile thats most likely not me. Still not too fond of you though.
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So what did everybody panic buy before the price increases
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Anyone tried slap chop? I'm kind of interested in learning it eventually just to widen my portfolio of skills but it seems like a kind of big investment to basically just rebuy every color
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>>98706661
Decalpedo does
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>>98706649
An entire faction of whomen who aren't allowed to speak, whose proximity instinctively repulses people, whose primary job is to kidnap specific people, who have to shave their head except for the topknot, who associate closely with cyber canines, and who totally don't get uniquely build battleships to the chagrin of literally every navel fleet in the Imperium? Pretty fucking PROBLEMATIC of you, CHUD.
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>>98706676
works better if you do zenithal priming but I vouch for it

use contrast medium if you don't wanna buy more paints
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>>98706678
That's the point baka
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>>98706674
I got a lot of dumplings from a food truck I haven't been able to go to for a while
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>>98706674
Nothing. I have more models then I could possibly hope to paint in my lifetime. Getting some primaris before a price hike isn't really a priority.
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>>98706682
What is zenithal priming?

And does that really work? Or is it like a halfway measure
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>>98706680
Women doing the thankless but necessary job of psyker recruitment for the wider imperium and feeding the God Emperor, while bieng too based to bother speaking to any other man they come across.
pretty fucking empowered of you
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Imagine ripping a female custodian out of her dreadnought coffin and then using what’s left of her as a pocket onahole until she’s reduced to lube for your next night of passion.
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>>98706693
:^)
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>>98706696
>Slaaneshi just wants to fuck a crippled hottie 10/10 bespoke warrior woman
huh pretty mild anon could have gone further
>reduced to lube for your next night of passion
>reduced to lube
Fucking hell
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>>98706674
Didn't really panic buy anything. Just an archon that I'm converting into a corsair autarch proxy. But I'm very uncertain of how I feel about it.
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I have 175 points left in a 2k SoB Hallowed Martyrs roster, what can I just throw in here to say "good enough"
I've got all of my bases covered (I think), I have:
>Morvenn+Paragons
>Triumph with BSS and a Hospitaller to be annoying
>Palatine (w/ Through Suffering, Strength) and an Imagifier on Insidiants with a Rhino to run around on wacky witch-hunting adventures
I'm planning to swap this specific unit out depending on if my opponent has a bunch of psykers or not.
>Immolator with melta Dominions, leaving the other half on home OBJ to farm miracle dice
>2 Castigators
Should I add some action-bot Canoness to get early dice? A Jump Pack unit to deepstrike? PEngines to interdict the midfield early game? Another BSS with another Rhino?
It's a lot harder to just say "yea throw this on" at the end for Sisters than guard, I'm not sure what if anything is in that "it's nice but not necessary" sweetspot.
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Anyone played imperial bureaucracy hero? For a 40k porn game it's pretty neat.
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>made it onto the OP
i am tickled

fun fact: the dead wolf took about two hours to make and paint. i was going to make it a hellblaster but i couldn't make the arms work
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>making a NL army
>realize I need over 500 dollars for all the Raptors and Warp Talons

I could save money not going for the kill team, but come on I'm making a NL list I gotta use them
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>>98706696
That's pathetic, Anon.
Clearly they should take the crippled dreadnought and simply fill its interior with so much ejaculate that the corpse of the pilot is slowly drowned in spunk which is only indicated by the helpless twitching of the robot's limbs.
I expect better from you.
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>pedo stops posting
>Fag starts
This has very distinctly happened at least twice now
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>>98706674
I did worse than panic buy I went into an LGS to pick an item up off marketplace, and pity bought a box of boyz
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>>98706725
Pretty sure the normal raptors sprue also comes with the night lords bits, just not the jump lord.
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T'AU'VA !
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Should I just switch over to using an autarch as a base? I'm not as keen about the deldar chestplate as I was.
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>>98706727
>death by forced bukkake
Thats pretty fucked
I like how you think anon
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>>98706735
yeah but they look way worse
I'd rather bit the bullet and spend the extra cash for better looking raptors/warp talons
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>>98706760
It's about the same. Have you got a lot of bits you can do some funky shit with the striking scorpions' wrist mounted pistols or corsairs holsters
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>>98706563
>>98706582
This is a seemingly new autist who just wants shambling undead in 40K, as boring as that would be. He's upsetti that the undeadcoded factions all try to twist the concept of undead in different ways, he just wants Fantasy skellies/zombies/wraiths copy pasted directly into 40K
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>>98706674
i bought the armageddon box. The ork half alone is worth like 3-400 bucks now if you were to buy it separately. I might buy another desu.
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>>98706765
Anon, I... They're literally the same sprues as the kill team, minus the jump lord.
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>>98706692
For zenithal priming, you undercoat the body in black, then layer gray followed by white on top of it. By having lighter layers of primer directionally applied on top of the darker underlayer, you mimic directional lighting. Because paint is translucent to some extent (especially contrast paints), the black-gray-white primer creates a shading effect when painted over with relatively low effort.

If that doesn’t make sense, look up a youtube tutorial. It was quite the fad for some time, though it’s died down somewhat.
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Hate white primers
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>>98706784
Don't tell me what to do
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>>98706776
Okay so I looked it up
The jump lord is the same but the 5 bodies are competently different
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>>98706713
Why not some novitiates to screen? For an army as fragile as sisters, simply stalling the enemy from getting onto point with a wall of chaff is a perfectly valid strategy. And then with the remaining 80 or so an action monkey or another character to buff a unit could work out nicely
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>>98706770
Unfortunately the only spare eldar bits I have are an old corsairs box. I only decided this weekend to start collecting eldar. My concern is that my corsair is too deldar-y. Though he does look good aside from that.
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>>98706765
the extra cash kinda works out in the end, because after you buy 5 kits you basically can add up all the jump lords into another squad of warp talons.
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>>98706784
>tfw you want to paint a color scheme that's white and black but you don't know which primer to start with
Dreadhost my beloved..
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>>98706792
Aren't the helmets and bodies also different? I was looking at this the other day and decided to go with the kill team to kitbash into death company even though the raptors already have the jump packs I need because the kill team box has a lot of ragged cloth and vampiric bat wings and teeth and stuff that I want, while the raptors just look like regular spike infested csm with fans. Or is it just that they built the example raptors with those parts while the other stuff to make them look more unit agnostic, with the more vampire-looking parts being optional on the same sprue?
>>98706779
Ooooh yeah I've heard of that. Basically going for the same effect, just with ur airbrush/rattlecan instead of a brush
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>>98706797
If that's your concern don't worry about it you're doing well. Corsairs aren't as sadistic or malicious as dark eldar but they're still pretty fucked up.
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>>98706814
What ornaments are you using on his back? That's a net piece.
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>>98706792
>but the 5 bodies are competently different
no they aren't
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>>98706807
white, easier to put black over white than white over black
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>>98706830
That's the grenade launcher from the kabalites
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>>98706793
The Immolator will have Scouts from the Dominions in it, so I'm not as pressed on map control as I would be otherwise.
But yea that's not a bad idea to bring some Novitiate purely to waste time or start the game with a secondary objective captured, I'll definitely throw them onto the pile. Not looking forward to buying 2 boxes of them to have 1 for Palatine buffing and 1 for infiltrating though, unless there's actually a reason to bring 5 with melee weapons when you play them as infiltrators.
Thanks anon
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>>98706811
no >>98706837
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you guys ever watch Tactical Tortoise? he seems pretty chill. I'm watching his videos on people getting caught cheating at 40k and feeling better about my life because of it.
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Max squad of intercessors or min squad of intercessors + min squad of blade guard?
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>>98706318
The collage bonus theme was space wolves btfo, so I just followed suite with what everyone else was doing and had a dead space wolves on the base.
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>>98706858
for what? probably the mixed version. a max squad of intercessors doesn't do much.



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