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How's the new standard meta post-FRA?
>tq
SEXOOOO SEXOOOOO SEXOOOO WITH WITCH SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>98782429>BreastsI thought WOTC hates boobs?
Slave of Bolas ~ angel gets mind-controlled by a ancient dragon.
This game is garbage man...
>>98782502Sometimes they are allowed to slip through. Also, TQ.
>TQFalkenrath Aristocrat
>>98783150The good news is that you don't have to play it.
>>98782502That card is half a decade old
I hate that this guy will never get to see its full potential because it shares rotation with the rest of Duskmourn, Bloomburrow, Wilds of Eldraine and all the other broken cads from 2024. I considered doing Blech shenanigans with it, but at this rate what's the point? It only gets a few months post-badgermole banning.
>>98782502Sounds like you’re consuming a lot of identity politics.I’ll admit they don’t print as much boob as they used to, but come on man, they have never stopped printing boobs.
>>98782502Because it's not a she...
Thread QuestionMy wife is my favorite.
>>98783200he was one of my most played commanders in standard brawl for a couple of months, I really liked himmaybe I'll build him in duel commander one day
Anyone else noted that vintage box prices have catapulted? Sets that are almost entirely made of unplayable cards like chronicles and fourth edition have doubled in listing price from what Ive seen compared to a year ago/or earlier this year. Are people really trying to pump n dump vintage and early modern boxes? I cant imagine anyone buying them aside from the premodern dorks, over optimistic scalpers and nostalgia huffers.
>>98782429The best Discard Outlet in the game
>>98783673a close 2nd
>>98783161Bloodbond is great, used to play it in my EDH for the longest time
>>98782429>TQBurning in the sunlight.
>Magic is introducing god packs starting with NauctusOk, at this point you have to be completely insane to keep supporting this company. Way to lean harder into scalper culture, further enshitifying drafts (I didn't even think this was possible at this point) and completely missing the point on why people don't like foils (hint: it is because they are awful print quality and have been pringles for over a decade now).Urza wept.
>>98784046God packs? What are you talking about?
>>98784121https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/updating-our-boosters-in-2027
>>98784121>Starting with Nauctis: The Sunken Realm and continuing with each Magic Multiverse set going forward (with Universes Beyond sets expected in 2028), 1 in every 1,000 Booster Packs will contain 14 rare or mythic rare cards
>>98784046I personally support anything that makes limited worse.
>we're removing foil common and uncommon cards from Booster Packs, and we're no longer guaranteeing a foil card in every pack
There is no God but Yahweh.
>"Play Boosters" are officially renamed to "Booster Packs."
AI Slop Summary.
>>98784046That's why I'm confused I thought god packs had been a thing since Journey into Nyx
>>98784277NO WAY that's official. they wouldn't dare to do it again
>>98784277>no more foil lands or common/uncommon staplesGrim. Also I haven't played physical in forever but since when was a foil guaranteed in regular packs? I thought that was only for Masters sets?
>>98784277So Collector boosters will be reduced to 12 cards just because they can?
>>98784298It's literally linked up above https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/updating-our-boosters-in-2027
>>98784287Only on JOU, later Pokemon adopted such idea in 2019 for their packs. Now they return to Magic and will be a feature going forward, UB sets will adopt them until 2028
>>98784277Nobody buys packs anymore. But they want people to.
Wizards: We barely ship enough product to cover players getting copies of the cards they want to play with.Also Wizards: Stores and players can now have more competition for opening product by adding to the scalper trashfire.
>>98784359I don't see the pic in the article. did they pull it?
>>98784046>>98784142This would make more sense if they did it for collector boosters, since that's already whale bait. Adding it to play boosters just seems dumb, since it's a random risk of ruining a sealed event, and 1 in 1000 is terrible odds anyway.
>>98782429I am so sick of counterspell tribal in standard. You should not be printing two mana unconditional counters and certainly not enough to run TWELVE copies
>TQFeel free to enlarge.
>>98784523>I am so sick of counterspell tribal in standardthis is like people complaining about mono-discard decks lmao, post deck list
>>98784530I honestly think this is the direction WotC should have gone with for "land destruction" if we aren't able to destroy land for real anymore due to hurting people's feefees. Although sadly Innkeeper played best when paired with actual land destruction and then using it to keep what few lands they have left tapped while beating them in the face with a hill giant.
>>98784567You're not actually expecting a response, but I'm running the jund sackville list. It doesn't have as much susceptibility to counterspells as other meta lists, but it’s the stupid gameplay. Counterspell, Counterspell, twiddle their dick, Jace (same as it ever was). Zero skill expression because they’ve made those decks too consistent by printing too many. Winrates suggest at the moment WOTC have done the same thing to lifegain, meme deck that has become overtuned because they are trying to force noob friendly decks
>>98784523But remember, Screaming Nemesis was the REAL problem.
>>98784598what three 2 mana unconditional counterspells are in standard?
>>98784523Unconditional counterspells should be 1 mana, 2 mana is too clunky these days and overcosted for the threats they face.
>>98784600umm yes sweatie it completely hosed lifegain
>>98784617"Unconditional"Long River's PullWild UnravelingCountersculpt
>>98784617Should have made clear I meant unconditional in that you can't hold up mana to pay an impossed cost (i.e. pay 2) + creature targeting (which should be the protected design space to counter control and used to be respected). But to start: Countersculpt; Get Out; Essence Scatter; Long River's Pull
>>98784651>complaining about these shitty counterspells
>>98784658Essence Scatter is an uncondtional 2 mana counterspell? Why is that not in every main deck wtf seems really good
>>98784659Are you mentally deficient?
>>98784523have they not printed many anti-counter levers on lands and low cost creatures?
>>98784196GOOD. Fuck foils.
>>98784523Aww look little Timmy is finding it too hard to run Hexing Squelcher and Voice of Victory how cute.
>>98784760no you dont understand I ramp to my 8 mana win the game spell and opponent casts 2 mana counter it and thats just not fair at all
>>98784780Or return the favor, or redirect lightning, or Bilbo's Truce, or Frenzied Baloth, or Cavern of souls, or Spider Punk or Theorist's Proxy or Mistrize Village, or Kutzil, or scytheclaw raptor, or Bolt Bend or Untimely malfunction
>>98784819Jesus christ Cavern is still in Standard that mf really has no excuse at all.
>>98784842even he is in standard
>>98784277>Zero price increase That'd mean something if MSRP was actually enforced. Boxes are almost certainly going up with the new God pack lottery ticket scalpers will be lapping up
>>98784846Well of course, they increased prices like 3 times in the last few years already
>>98784523>2 mana unconditional countersName them. WotC are too pussy to print real counters at 2 mana or lower. All the ones they do are quench variants that let you pay an alternate costs with hard counters being 3 mana and up
>defeats you're pre-release with 17 rare 5-colour slopnothing personnel
>>98784277How do we get foil commons and uncommons then?
>>98784277>marketing talking about cleaner and simplified I have an instinctual revulsion to these terms and I dont know why
>sales roundupAfter doing in-store recon, there are a shit ton of boxes of marvel, hobbit, and now RF on the shelves. Precon wise, marvel, aetherdrift for whatever reason, and RF also remain unsold. Every foundations commander precon except the blue one sold out instantly, and greasy neckbeards patrol the area looking for hidden precons behind things.This is my market data from visiting 2 targets. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
>>98784913That's the neat part, you don't. They now come in Collector Boosters only and nearly 40% of all of those never get opened, they just sit in some "investors" storage somewhere. You are welcome!
>>98784919>anon lives somewhere that actually got a full FRA shipment fulfillmentMust be nice, stores in my area can't even sell singles for the set because they don't have enough stock. They can either crack or sell sealed, not both.
>>98784277>basing pack contents on youtube slop views
Cant wait for god pack draft
is there anything forcing me to admit i had the god pack in prerelease
>>98784999No, and WotC has the balls to state that if a player does declare it that the store has to front a replacement pack out of their own pocket if the player chooses to keep the god pack (draft, sealed). Shit is fucked. There is an uncomfortably high chance of seeing a god pack opened at every prerelease from bigger stores (x players y packs each). Not that WotC gives two fucks about limited formats with all of the booster fuckery there has been, but still...
>>98784999they would be fools to put them in the kitsand as far as draft is concerned it likely wont be a problem
was the Draft ->standard/modern->edh pipeline really so badwhy did they fuck this up so much?
>>98784142>>98784046
>>98785014>There is an uncomfortably high chance of seeing a god pack opened at every prerelease from bigger storesMy local store isn't even big, has like a 40 man crowd for prereleases, that's 240 packs, 1/4 chance of somebody getting the free win jackpot at any given event.
>>98784375Well JOU was the actual 15 gods in one pack thing, but the idea basically carried over for a while with the explorations, inventions, invocations, etc
Imagine playing sealed and some nigger gets a god pack
>>98785050The owner of the locale will make sure this won't happen, don't worry. There will be ways to tell sealed packs apart.
>>98785063>The owner of the locale will make sure this won't happen, don't worry.You're dumb as fuck or a paid shill
This is just a copeout because all foils keep becoming pringles
There will be godpacks on arena and mtgo, too, right?
>>98785030that pipeline had to exist in the first place
>>98785080
>>98785030Is the pipeline not reversed? Most people I see go from EDH to Prerelease/Draft to Standard/Modern (very few making that final jump)
I pray to the day the european union classifies boosters packs as gambling boxes
>>98785083It 100% did. Draft -> Open modern playables? Modern players were interested. Open standard playables? Standard players were interested. Have cards just rotting away in your binder? EDH babies would be interested. FNM was always draft. It drew players of all kinds, and incentivized trades at the end of the night because not every player had the same needs. Then when standard would rotate even more trades were made.
>Go to prerelease>Open my Willy Wonka pack>Swap around all the rares I want to play while putting the ones I'm not interested into a pile>Yell "WOOHOO I GOT THE GOD PACK!">Store owner gives me a bonus pack and removes all the off-color rares from my pool>Rape the whole event with bomb after bombWe got the draft fucker 9000 in here.
>>98785102yeah but MTG Arena definitely impacts this system too.
>>98785108What planet are you living on that packs were full of playables? Most cards were so shit that they weren't even usable in the era of EDH where people were playing chair tribal.
>play draft>mithic is in japanese>reading the card explains the card>i cant speak chinese nigga just consede please
I can't believe anyone still hasn't realized that they don't care whether or not the game is played in paper anymore
>>98785117Nobody said any of that. Get your eyes checked.
>>98784277did wotc use this picture?
>>98785126They clearly care, you can't play commander digitally.>inb4 mtgo, the ancient cobwebbed torture device no one uses
>>98785133no
>>98785126That would explain a few things but they couldn't be that dense right? Right?!
If foil isn't guaranteed, won't the issue of weight differences and heavy boosters come back?
>>98785114>MTG Arena definitely impacts this system too.
>>98785147just of curiosity, what emotion is this fuzzy picture supposed to convey?
>>98785134mtga has commander and it has been confirmed a few weeks ago they are working on multiplayer implementation.
>>98785139It's 100% the explanation for all of it. People who actually want to Play The Game play digital or not at all at this point, and between commanderfaggots, scalpers, and """collectors""" they've learned the lesson that people will buy any slop at all that they dump out, so they stopped designing the game for paper and stopped letting "will this be a gameplay issue in paper?" factor into any decisions they make at all
>>98785149Subtly laughing at how retarded one has to be to think mtga has any kind of relevant playerbase, the game would be lucky to have 50k players.
>>98785150>mtga has commanderNo, it has brawl.
>>98785150>weeks ago they are working on multiplayer implementation
>>98785143>store owner just weight outs all god packs for himself BRAVO WIZARDS
>>98785154It's more than that, they are malicious in their ways of gaining profit, not only quality has decreased over the years, (they have been using a lot of AI art for cards too) to cut costs but also they have been reducing content of packs, bundles etc while increasing prices, all because line must go up, even worse than that, they clearly know pauper is the only format being massively played in-person, they already lowered the number of commons in packs some 3-4 years ago (whenever the last ixalan set was) and now they are basically removing common fails from packs, meaning that people with foiled out decks, which are a lot in pauper, will have to pay exorbitant prices to scalpers who will be mass buying collector boxes from WOTC and selling boxes, cases etc is the only metric and the most profit WOTC can make.hasbro/wotc are the epitome of evil stupidity.
>>98784894Theros....I still remember you
>>98785111The really sad thing is, even if you legitimately open the god pack at a prerelease, the correct thing to do is declare it because the store now has to give you another pack. You already got max value from the god pack, but now you get another full pack. The entire thing is fucking retarded.
>>98785175I went to look at getting a bundle today expecting them to be 40 bucks still It's hilarious how they think they can get you to buy something with a worse PPU than just buying raw packs
>>98785175>they clearly know pauper is the only format being massively played in-person,Anon whatCommander is the only thing. Pauper is a meme.
>>98785205The general sentiment for this change (so far) is that it is universally hated. Even investors / collectors hate it because it gives them more competition and higher prices.
Who is worse, investors/scalpers or commander playersYou can only pick one
>>98785219Investors for sure. I'll take stupid over evil every time.
>>98785219Commander players. I don't give a fuck if you invest and scalp, I can just proxy the shit up. But EDH being the default format around which everything revolves, is unbearable.
>>98785219That's easyInvestorsEdh players are merely bottomfeeders
>>98785240>blaming edh players for wotc's decisions
>>98785242>Edh players are merely bottomfeedersYou don't fucking know what you're talking about. 90% of players playing using Magic The Gathering cards are playing EDH. Every fucking set is designed with EDH in mind.You are the bottomfeeder.
>>98785248Wotc is there to make money for Hasbro.
>>98785207commander has it's own subset of products and doesn't overlap enough with booster boxes due to the 1x limitations.
>>98785257>commander has it's own subset of productsYou also are clueless. Every set is a Commander set.
>>98785257>it's
>>98785248>>98785251
>>98785168with the foil curl problem a full pack of them can probably be visually inspected
>>98785248EDH slop-piggies' appetite for slop is 75% of what killed the game
>if you didnt make me mad>I wouldn't have thrown that plate>if you didn't play a casual format>wotc wouldn't have fucked up the gameWoman logicWorse brown woman logic
>>98785260I understand it takes more than 70 IQ to comprehend what we're talking about, but at least try anon.
>>98785189>the correct thing to doSorry, why is this correct? Rules book says you can't play with what you opened from a sealed factory pack?
>stomping pre-release with my 12 japanse cards i lucked out on (i have no idea what they do)
>>98785309Moron, if you opened the god pack then you already "won" the prerelease. The best possible thing you can do is to declare it - you then get another entire pack AND you get to play in the prerelease and potentially win more. There is no guarantee that your god pack means you win anyway so this line is always correct. You get an extra pack more than anyone else at the event and you still get to play for more. Wizards quite literally let stores know that this is what they have to do from Nauctis forward for limited events.
This will lower the prices of normal boosters....right???
play Duskmourn cards or lose LOL
>>98785362
>>98785447i regret not opening more of that damn fucking set
>>98785219The only "investments" in MTG are sets with reserved list cards.
>>98785565Naw dude people are going to pay through the nose for these chucky secret lair cards in a few years
>>98785645I know I'm a magic player but collecting horror memorabilia is so fucking cringe Luckily its only childless X'er losers and they are already starting to die off
>>98785251What's worse is how outdated this pic is. Reality fracture really upped the ante for in universe sets and that's before accounting for UB shit like Marvel where literally 90% of creatures were legendary
>WotC designs cards for 1v1>Grr these busted pushed rares are ruining the game!>WotC designs cards for draft>Grr this chaff is devaluing packs and making them worthless!>WotC designs cards for a joke format>Grr these joke cards are clogging my mythic slots that could have been an overpowered 2-drop!You motherfuckers are never happy.
>>98785947>he can't think of a way to design for 1v1 other than thatYour argument fails because no one advocated changing the design process from 1v1, only that it be better.
>>98785985>Design cards to be good in 1v1>Unfortunately, you lack omniscience so sometimes the cards are too good>Players complainYeah I'm sure you could do better though, Einstein. Designing 300 constructed-playable cards a year surely won't produce any mistakes.
endstep is great, but why does every vibe-coded website look the same? Like why do they all have glowy shit everywhere and random particle effects? why does ai do that?
>>98785994They don't make OP shit when they make every set a commander set? Is that your argument?
*empowers in your face*
>>98786248annoying cringe shit, design mistake. fuck WOTC, enough said
>>98785947To be fair edh players at the time hated that wotc was directly printing cards into the formatI think all those people are long gone though
PlayPremodern
>>98786267First good set in yearsYou are insane
>>98786305NoBad formatThey gotta go back to the drawing board for where they draw the cuttoff
>>98786289UB dramatically expanded the market to new players.
>>98786310yeah... uh huh
>>98785502>oh no people hate the omenpaths hat sets>up the powercreep in the next set to compensateWorks every time.
>>98785257>1x limitations.Meaningless, there are so many cards with duplicate effects that commander might as be the 100 card standard with a guaranteed creature card in hand.
>>98786345oh and every tutor ever printed is legal
>>98786331I don't believe that for a secondBut also we're talking about players from over ten years ago
Kona decks are cool because you either have and hold up interaction every turn they have more than 3 mana or you lose
>>98786358Hasbro made a decision to focus on the collector (scalper) and pop media market.FRA is a farewell set to the an old lead character and it only gets HALF the promotion time compared to Star Trek. It's over for this game, the future of magic is a IP license card battler like Bushiroad games.
>>98786150It certainly happens less often when you have a license to fill 90% of the rare slots with 5 mana "explode your own penis" cards because someone might want to play penis explosion tribal in a joke format.
>>98786451so there are less broken cards printed into standard since they started designing sets with EDH in mind? is that what you are saying
>>98786469Yes of course if you want to LARP that not banning cards is the same as cards not being broken, you're free to go back and play 2 years of 4c Jace meta which was so bad it caused a policy change which is the reason cards get frequently banned now.
Alchemy is dying.Press f to pay respect.
Current limited is genuine dogshit
>>98786478You talking about wwk?
>>98786496It sounds like you just lost a limited game because your opponent went first and played guys on curve.
Purchasing the new mono color commander decks.
Oko was a commander card
>>98786496Good, it's always been like playing poker with scratch offs anyway
>>987865034c Jace was 2015-2016
>>98786504There's genuinely no rhyme or reason to it, it's just bombs
>>98786506So was Ramunap Ruins
>>98786515historic playable at one point
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/reality-fracture-vision-design-handoff-part-3Jace's daughter was originally named Petra.Garruk was going to lose his spark with his Echoverse counterpart still being a PW.
>>98786511Crazy i was playing standard at the time and somehow missed this meme
>>98786515But was Arcbound Ravager a commander card?
>>98786531Because people at your locals weren't spending $700 on a standard deck because they were still able to maintain the delusion that budget decks were competitive. Notably only $200 cheaper than Caw-Blade which was the JtMS meta.
>>98786504People just net draft nowadays.
>>98786554Nta what does this even mean lmao? What's next? Net decking?
>>98786560They use untapped or 17lands to essentially autodraft for them.At my LGS people were using their phones and the owner couldn't care.
>>98786568Stop being an ableist, not everyone knows how to draft
>>98786568>I can't beat the shitty autodraftsLol, lmao even. Git gud
>>98786248i want to kill whoever thought token plainswalker is a good thing
Went fucking 3-0-3 at a pauper tournament. Fuck all the stalling decks in this format and fuck playing without mtgo timers.
>>98786611Did you get turbo fogged?
How do we make UW control great again? Is it even possible with so much degenerate bullshit around?
Nobody wants control back when the template is currently playing a braindead stax piece on curve.
>>98786626I got the slowest ponza player in history, garden'd, and turbo fogged. What a miserable tournament.
>>98786639UW control is still one of the meta decks in standard.
>>98786661u mad?
>>98784155Man that's fucked, I don't play anymore but I saw the article and only read as far as removing common and uncommon foils before I came here to complain but that's even worse.
>>98786739I am. I'm not left wondering whether I could have played better or sideboarded better or gotten luckier draws, but whether I should have conceded my first match just to avoid getting paired with the decks/pilots that draw.
There's literally nothing wrong with super packs, why do you hate people getting more stuff?
>>98786780I like it because it ruins draft even harder on top of creating the amusing scenario that the Willy Wonka pack is still negative EV because of how many bad rares there are.
Hasbro is so desperate to generate pokemon level of hype. It looks sad from the outside.
>>98786734.... on opposite day!
We was angels and shit.
>>98786896Won me so many kitchen table matches you wouldn't believe
>>98785219There have always been scalpers. Commander players actively ruined the game.
>>98786960There have always been kitchen table playersThey have always been the vast majorityWotc ruined the game
>>98786978WotC ruined the game when they learned that EDH players are retarded piggies with zero standards. Standard players at least have the dignity to quit when WotC ruins their format.
>TQthe goat>>98786853which is extra pathetic because magic players generally don't give a shit about what the cards depict. they only care about how they function mechanically, and pokemon is the exact opposite
>>98782429>TQbloodghast
>Everyone but shills says play boosters are fucking retard>WOTC goes forward full steam>"Damn, maybe play boosters were a mistake"I guess every "nerd" IP has been infected with toxic positivity. It doesn't help when the only platform the use for feedback is the reddit hug box.
>>98786639UW is good in pioneer, just make sure you sideboard correctly
>>98787016>the players who wotc was always aware of>the players who were always the majority>its their casual players fault>not the billion dollar company >not the billion dollar company during an era of rapid falling quality throughout all entertainment >not the billion dollar company during an era of rapidly falling quality who jumped into DEI initiatives with both feet>no its the causal players fault
>>98787043>players generally don't give a shit about what the cards depictI've never seen evidence of this
>>98782429TQOnes that ride dinosaurs of course
>>98787201 (You)Space vampires a close 2ndThey're not just vampires, they're in-universe extraterrestrial vampires
>>98787201>dies to removalWhy does WOTC bother with this crap?
This set is so fucking bad that I'm ready for Magic to go Universe Beyond-only. At least it forces them to design playable sets to try to bait in new players instead of whatever the fuck this legendarily dogshit planeswalker limited format is.
>>98787224These guys should have been aetherborn
>>98787330Wow, I can't believe you repeated the same talking point, again! This time everyone will surely be convinced.Set is good, everyone who actually plays likes it, UB is for troons, you have to go back.
I miss when I could walk into a store and buy two booster boxes every single set. Waaaay back when they were 80 bucks a box. I don't even remember how long ago that was.
>>98787347false
>>98787375You still can after the LGS weighs and repackages the 2027 boxes.
>>98787330lol ubabies
>2 months of Star TrekWill mtg survive?
>>98787600MTG survived far far worse
game 1 - btfo my opponent with a turn 1 hypnotic specter and later nantuko shadesgame 2 - utterly btfo'd by masticore, this game wasn't even closegame 3 - killed my opponent's creatures early and then proceeded to never draw a creature of my own (cursed scroll can only do so much).
>>98787623Funny how people remember this meta just because it was cheap to build so it was everywhere.
>>98787623This is nothing compared to arcbound ravager.
>>98787623>Enter Lurrus
Soon...https://youtu.be/iPG_gudK0Ro
>>98788027Lurrus isn't even that good
>>98787600No threatThe only thing that can kill this game is shit like FF that brings in tourists who make the game worse>>98787832Zased premodern enjoyer
Don't play premodern. Worst format of all taime. Sell all your old cards. Give them to me.
it's always the ones with the biggest collective wallets that are the problem. they buy their way in to driving the boat while not knowing what they are even doing. also applies to mtg audiences
>>98786639You play it in Premodern. You can play Landstill or big mana no standstill.
Only played pioneer and commander, how is standard?
>>98786327>They gotta go back to the drawing board for where they draw the cuttoffthat would be prefire modern, 8ED to RNA
>>98788457do you like izzet or landfall?if not, stay away
>>98788457>Only played pioneer and commander, how is standard?>how is standard?
>>98787623That Standard was actually quite ok. Most decks were honest, and that Aggro Red was at best winning at turn 4.Also because it was easy to build ($) we saw more of it in events so we would play removals and shit that were good vs it. It was predictable af and there were more viable tier 2 decks.
>Phyrexians dead>Bolas dead>Jace deadHow much more of mtg are you willing to watch Hasbro kill to turn the game into the dungeons and dragons fortnite tcg?
None, I haven't bought any MTG product in years and years. I sold all my paper decks. I only play on Arena f2p. In fact, I'm rooting for EDH to consume MTG completely.
>>98789081>Bolas deadWe literally fucking saw him in TDM having sex with Ugin.
>>98789257It was only in your head.
>>98789283Yeah bro just like the Phyrexians getting phased out instead of exploding was in my head.
why am i losing to decks with 250+ cards in them and why do they always have what they need?
>>98789303No. Only the dragon sex was in your head. Because you have such a vivid imagination that you consider pic related sex.
>>98784277>remove 20% of cards collector booster has>keep the same price
>>98785947go to sleep Mark, you fucking jew
>>98789323You're the one interpreting the image as them being dead because their eyes are closed.
>>98784277>Removes shit from collector packs I never buyOkay, dick move but it won't affect me.>Remove guaranteed foils from play boostersThey all pringled on me so badly I just started cutting them up with scissors and throwing them in the bin.>God packs in 1 of 1000 packsOkay, so you're just fucking sealed and draft players in the ass now huh.>Renaming the packsGood, play booster is a fucking stupid name.>No foil commons or uncommonsSo the old foils are going to go up in value then, I bet someone from WoTC just bought a ton of one of them using bots again.Overall I give this news a C+ pretty shitty but I'm glad I won't have to cut up foils anymore and they got rid of that stupid name. A lot of the negatives don't affect me because I hate their shitty quality foils. Maybe instead of removing all the shitty common foils they could just fix their fucking foils so they stop curling after a single day outside of a pack and sleeve.
So what will be the next kikery to keep shareholders happy?fuse collectors and normal and have them be even more expensive?
>>98789458get rid of play boosters, only collectors and increase their price too with 0 foils
>Fatehold is the school of future history>it teaches precognition and probabilistic reality warping>and also how to flash freeze objects in the here and now
>>98789469Ironically the better route would be removing collector boosters and forcing you to take the horseshit pull rate of play boosters.
>>98789497so..ygo
>>98789564YGO's hit rate is higher than Magic. Pokemon's the one with the terrible hit rate on packs it's just that hits in that game are the starlight rare charizard rather than meta staple budew.
>>98789458new booster policy:10 card booster pack (same price of course)every card individually randomized in raritycards 1-90.1% mythic rare0.9% rare19% uncommon80% commoncard 100.1% mythic rare0.9% rare99% uncommonthen we can release powered up packs that have better rates at extreme premium prices
>>98789592Why this sounds like fucking gacha mobile game pulls?Are WoTC workers fucking retarded?
>>98789602lol it's not real, was just speculating on what would make the game better for shareholders
>>98789602anon...tcg packs are the original gacha
>>98789592Is there a chance to get 0 rares/mythics in a pack?
>>98789717Yes. But every pack is guaranteed at least one uncommon or better.
>>98788006Yeah ravager bans were a huge deal when they happened they had never banned so many cards at once. What a messed up deck it was.
Prowess and Ruby Storm are two of the most skilled decks in the history of Modern. The only deck that took more skill was Lantern Control.
Workers on Magic at WotC and other depts/brands are joining the CWA union the Magic Arena team started
>>98789753Good troll attempt you almost got me
>>98785189Lmao, all lgs in my area are just fucking more expensive scalpers. Just buy from storeless 50% cheaper scalper from cardmarket and play mtg in an inn. Fuck lgs.For example i can buy rf jace commander precon on cardmarket for like 45 euro. Or at my lgs for 80 euro. Fuck them.
>>98782429Whats /mtg/ opinion on duel commander? Its more popular in my area than edh, legacy or drafts combined. Edh gets lot of hate, whats your opinion on dc?https://www.duelcommander.org
>premodernLost it's flavor for me after a few weeks. The idea of shit being absolutely the same, forever, is so boring.
>>98790416>price of progress bannedGet fucked
>>98790416I guess if you already play mtgo and have a bunch of cards its cool. I just play brawl in magic arena its ranked too.
>>98790435I dont play mtg online at all, just paper. Dc is similar to brawl, but with much larger cardpool. Never played mtgo but its there as 1:1 gamemode to paper dc
>>98790431Well you usually end up with more lands on yoir table than in edh
>>98790416I have a positive bias because all of my card collection is on MTGO and DC was introduced there a couple of years ago, so it's convenient for me to play it compared to other 100-card formats like CanLander.without commenting on the current meta since I haven't played in a few months, I think the format achieves what it sets out to do: being a 1v1 commander format where every game feels different with a lot of playable archetypes and commanders, there's a certain push for tempo and control being the best decks but I think that's alright
Canlander is the only playable format
I know you all (rightfully) hate commander but I have a modest proposal: Pre-mander(It's just Pre-Modern but for commander and the cutoff is when the first official commander decks came out in 2013 or whatever)(also Sol Ring is banned fuck you)
>>98790901>hey guys what if we took the worst two formats and put them together hoping the shittiness overflows into a playable format?
>>98789334This means wizards has hit its peak in sales and now can only save money in production to continue the profit line increasing. 1500 cards produced = 10 000 dollars vs 1200 cards produced = 10 000 dollars.
recently got back into MTG after 10+ years to teach my 12 year old son how to play, he wanted the new set for his birthday since it came out the day before so we got some Reality Fracture and played games using that set.turns out you can get 3 mythics out of a single pack, had to look it up but apparently it has to do with how echo pairs work. he got Green Garruk echo paired with Black Garruk, and a shattered mirror Craterclaw Colossus behind them.
I would play pioneer if they banned greasefang
>>98791065it's not even that oppressive, you can tell within a turn or what deck they're on and then just hold up removal and half the time they never even get the combo off
>>98789592i guarantee at least one hasbro exec if they saw this post would be like "hey that guy has some good ideas"
>>98790995Yeah they stacked FRA because it's a farewell to old magic.The 2027 roadmap is UB slop plus chasing the scalper market with the golden boosters.
>>98791168>Pokemon Scalpers are looking for something new to do now that Pokemon is bottoming out>hey that's a new customer base we can attract!
>>98791174>scalpers kill official standard events by hoarding all the meta cards in unopened boosters>proxies and other formats winProblem? LGS also can't tell if your fakes are fakes for events.
>>98791168Nah. Nauctis will be cinema.
endstep bros, we're winning too hard
>>98791327it's just a cope dude
>>98791273It will be the best set in recent times but you can only play it on arena because the paper is scalped.
>3 year standard rotation with 5 years of UB slop
>>98791327hope the major update is a UI overhaul
>>98791431They redid everything but the the actual game screen the other day, so that's not out of the question.
>>98791420Paper is EDH, no reason to play paper.
>>98782439>looks like mj>art by chris angel
Bible black SL when?They have no reputation left, may as well cash out right?
>>98791692>They have no reputation leftSays fucking who? /mtg/?
>>98791727Is this joke?
>>98791273I'm predicting it to be Boomburrow-esque with an overly cute angle. While that worked for Bloomburrow I don't think it is what people will want from Nauctis.
>>98791735If you had any brain cells you would have known this alleged integrity doesn't exist from the moment they decided to make USG the cutoff for the RL.
>>98791692It would be the only set ever that I wouldn't have to upgrade.
>>98791776>newfag larping as a grognard
>>98791773Well the fist art kinda sorta confirmed it.
>follow two bad UB sets with an absolutely godawful UW setbravo WotCStar Trek has to do some heavy lifting to redeem this year.
>>98792392Am I the only one who likes fractured anus? Its the only set I've been invested in since bloomburrow
>>98792419there's nothing inherently wrong with FRAthe problem is that it's so out of left field, that we're supposed to take jace's sudden /pw/ heel turn seriously
>>98792419>immediately kills it off with emrakulit comes with disappointment even if you like it
>>98791427I like avatar cards
what do you do if you get mogged?
>>98792512flip the table
>>98792481>Built up to for 2 years>"Ugh this came out of NOWHERE!"Why do people expect the story to be fed to them in card art yet refuse to engage with said cards?
>>98792481There was pretty blatant foreshadowing for him secretly scheming all the way back in Thunder Junction at a minimum even if you were just looking at the cards and nothing supplemental.
>>98792619>>98792709>been in the game since lorwyn 1.0>fought eldrazi and bolas>not a single desire to reshape the multiverse>doesn't even relate even a little bit with bolas>gets phyrexianized>now gets the idea of rewriting the universe>yes this character that has been with us for almostt 20 years doing good just went heel because of one plot pointand it's not even a good plot point mind youthis is just wotc again being afraid of giving real moral accountability to their characters, now jace will always have an excuse that he was compleated therefore he went out of his mind
>>98792745>MtG writing is bad and characters are not portrayed consistentlyGrass is greenWater is wetYou should see how much murder Karn has done but ig he was a pacifist until killing Elesh Norn.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG-kFc8ajvARichard Garfield on the card backs for Arabian Nights>I was the bad guy. I wanted different card backs. But my heart was in the right place.>*some discussion about card back in gameplay *>The main thing I was after was making it so that people didn't feel like they had to get the expansion and I felt like if you made it so it's the same card back they will feel obligated to incorporate that into the play environment. That would become the de facto play environment and its untested. It hasn't had this length of testing and I didn't like what that said to the players as I don't want them to feel like they're on a treadmill that we put out cards and that we make a mistake and suddenly the entire game's bad. But giving it a different card back we sorta insulate that we could make it so people could have this authority to say "I don't want to play with those" or "I do want to play with those" and that the cost of players being able to see what cards are coming up--I didn't like that but it was worth it.>It was basically last minute. Might have been these panic calls. I don't know. But I reversed myself and decided to go with the same card back and it was clearly the right move even though my worries I think were not groundlessHe saw clearly what MTG would become.
>>98792804you don't want to play with people using cards you hate? might as well go to /edhg/
>spider man india
>spider man uk
>>98792823>has iq 75It's the pushing out set after set and as we've clearly seen in standard within the past 6-7 years where it's been ban after ban every single year making the game bad for everyone to play. And then there's pushing out more and more powerful cards (something Richard brings up later in the interview) that compete with older cards and make them obsolete. What as JotC been doing? Constantly powercreeping it's cards to the point where its formats are bad. Releasing more and more broken cards over which have to be banned every year. Meathook massacre, the mouse, the cutter, later Vivi, and so on. All this to prop up EDH which is all about selling more and more powerful and efficient cards to replace older cards which are only legal in EDH. There are other new formats like Classic Legacy, Peak Legacy, Pre-FIRE modern, and so on that can be played which don't have nearly as egregious commander power creep. Pauper is kinda okay but its still warped by things like Modern Horizons and the excessive post-FIRE power creep.
>>98792887you're only proving that closed formats are needed, not that powercreep is avoidable (it isn't)
>>98792509They said next year's cards will be more fantasy focused. I'm hoping for a full Zelda set.
>>98792926Zelda? Just in time to pick up malding pokescalpers
>>98792943Exactly, they'd go crazy for it and WoTC could overprint the shit out of it to fuck them in the ass.
Based on Maro's Conurrency podcast about future design it looks like we 're in for >2027 3 in universe sets we know about (Nauctis, Kamigawa TB, Zhalfir) and 3 unannounced UBs>2028 3 unannounced in universe sets, 3 unannounced UBsetcBretty much 3 in universe and 3 UB looks like the plan for the next couple years. I will say that for 2029 he only discussed one set, and given UBs take extra time to get the OK from licensors, we may see a reduction in UB by the end of the decade. But that is only speculation rn.
>>98792893The point was about the game being made bad in the last 7 years as JotC consistently breaks the game. Not about power creep in itself. Somehow from after Mirrodin to about 2016 was able to get 12 years of some amount of power creep yet only two bans in standard. Objectively there was some with Eldrazi or quaint cards like snapcaster mage. Yet those standards tended to feel much more balanced even with things like Git probe running around (mono-red tended to keep the life payment decks in check when scars was legal).The worst it was before then was in Mirrodin and around Urza's Saga. Now it's 5-6 bans if not more per year for every year after 2016. There are currently 14 banned cards in standard because they were so format warping. For a couple years it was Izzet at 30% or more of the format. It's taken until now for that to be fixed and that's only because they started to print efficient removal again.
>>98793008You can blame edh for the rampant powercreep as the majority of pre 2013 cards arent balanced for it, but then again you cant blame wotc either for edh getting so popular, yes they were following trends but no company really wants the offshoot that they have no total control over to be more popular than their original game and if that happens then they must acquire it asap and wotc is lucky to have gotten edh (unlike blizzard and dota)Ultimately the solution is to just make closed formats
>>98793008>Yet only 2 bans in standardYeah because letting a card rape the format for 2 years is totally the same thing as the card being balanced.
>>98792994standard can't keep this up, I wonder when they'll decide to call in the quits on the 3 year rotation experiment
nobody cares about Standard, Standard is played mostly on Arena
>>98793054I stopped drafting because standard died in my areaWhat a fragile ecosystem we had
Because EDH replacement Standard.The pipeline used to be Standard -> EDH / Other formatsNow it's EDH -> probably not other formats because they're just too different.
>>98793203Even as an edh player at the time, me and my friends knew wotc moving away from FNM as only a draft/sealed event was going to fuck shit upThe only reason I drafted was because that was the big event every week looks like I wasn't alone
>>98792745Founding the Gatewatch was the first clue about his desire for control.Being phyrexianized was the catalyst the made him want to reshape the multiverse.
>>98793203>Pipeline works from Standard -> EDH but not the other wayStandard died because it's shit. Magic has a long history of making alternative formats specifically because Standard was unplayably garbage so often and nobody wanted to spend $800 on a deck that was going to rotate.
>>98793246founding the gatewatch was a team effort between gideon, jace, chandra, and nissa, the story makes this very clearyet another instance of wotc not willing to commit to their supposed protagonist
GW lifegain seems strong af in limited, maybe that guy just had the nut draw tho
izzet is actually the most fair deck.
>>98793335believe it or not but the most fair decks across all formats have black in them
>>98793335I play an honest budget Izzet Spellemental deck
>>98793321I just played against it twice didn't feel unwinnable desu. I was on BR Stinging Verse/Command the Stage. Felt like I had enough removal to hit the key cards and from there it was anybody's game
Standard died because it is expensive as hell to play. A standard deck should be cheap enough that someone can say>Yeah, I'll give this a tryand buy a deck without feeling like they have wasted 300 bucks. It is a lot easier for someone to drop 60-100 bucks to "try" a format, when the barreri to entry is>Drop 500 USD>Play a boring deck for under 150 bucks if it existOf course your format will die. Pokemon frequently has decks under 100 bucks win big ass tournaments.
>>98793433I love the anecdote I have about standard; during INN-RTR I had mono blue $10 delver and RG werewolves. My friend borrowed delver for FNM and in his first match he beat a guy who had just finished building aristocrats when it was tier 1. He grumbled about bad draws after. The same guy several months earlier complained about me drafting a Jace's Phantasm deck when I went along to my first draft.
>>98793433unlike mtg pokemon enjoys a massive product supply>High collector demand drives massive sealed pack openings.>Surplus competitive singles flood the secondary market.pokemon enjoys this because it's, well, pokemonlefties will never admit this but part of why mtg remains so expensive is because its shitty art direction and libtard writing will never sell to a normie audience therefore it has to be subsidized
>>98793450Pokemon asl did the smart fucking thing and BOUGHT their printers. Hasbro and WOTC (despite MTG being the golden goose) refuse to make that investment despite it being nothing but a good thing>b-but the down timeThey'll do exactly what pokemon does and rent out their printers when there is a slow season. Magic: The Gathering is nothing but a retirement vehicle for the original investors and og creators, as soon as they start dropping, mtg will die.
People play pokemon?
>>98793469no and that's another reason why playing competitively on it is cheap, because there's far fewer demand
>>98793459>mtg will dieGonna miss it. The game mechanics still endure among the top of tcgs.
>>98786548Cawblade meta was when I started FNM/standard and it was so funny to see the look on the faces of olds when they realized I maindecked 4x Naturalize. Those were the days.
>>98793471>>98793469Yeas, Last tournament hat a turnout of like 50k people. Major regionals have around 2k. People play pokemon.
who the fuck thought giving this shroud was a good idea????
>>98793511Outside of rebel tribal this was the only playable creature back then.
>>98793507Scalping saved pokemon. Will it do the same for magic?
>>98793551yesthat's why UB was made in the first place, because the mtg IP on its own isnt worth being scalped anywhere close to pokemon levels
>>98793511(Yes, I'm butthurt i drew swords instead of literally any creature spell to block with)
>>98793551Pokemon scalping is a different beast. Pokemon makes truly chase versions of playable cards. The playable cards are printed into the dirt and even come in starter decks. MTG is trying to half assedly copy Pokemon without embracing the "reprint it into the dirt" part. The day you see 2 copies of a tournament staple mythic in a MTG is the day magic starts to recover.
>>98793580The proxy market at the moment caps the prices of the chase cards at $3 for tournies. The judges cannot spot the difference from the good printers.
>>98792926Zelda seems most likely given the movie's also coming out next year. They've also announced a bunch of other collaborations (including with Hasbro) because of their 40th anniversary celebration, which is starting to make me think it's more likely than unlikely.
>>98793580you want WotC to reprint black lotus?
>>98793900no we want akroma and avacyn to come back and be part of the storyline again because they actually sell
>>98793887We're finally getting a follow up to the Clue set? Strixhaven in Monopoly plane?
You are homeless because you invested all your money into Fornite Secret Lairs and Funkopop commander decks instead of Reserved List staples. How do you explain to your wife that you completely missed the boat on Premodern?
>>98793907Akroma is underpowered in today's meta.
>>98791656the mind freak?
>>98793511I dunno, but it was mighty nice of green to let white have one too. Still the best 4 drop uncommon in white to this very day.
>>98794044
>>98794209What a shit card. Can't even kill a Grizzly Bears.
>>98793321I've had a lot of success with it. Won a prerelease, and on arena had a 6-3 draft run (that should have been 7 wins if I'd not squandered a couple games) plus a 4-0 and a 4-1 in pick-two. Seems really good compared to everything else, it's just very steady and proactive where everything else wants to take a billion years to draw into its bomb.
>>98794280What if I just jump to another tree?
>>98794304In that case you'll get two nice views before it knocks the second tree down and eats you.
New thread>>98793940>>98793940>>98793940
>>98794328What if I just keep jumping from tree to tree? It's not going to knock down the entire forest.
