Imperator Senpai's Warbreaker editionPrevious thread: >>98759654>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/Qiwij4PJ>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: What's one of the titan variants that has been mentioned that you think should get a model and rules?
What is your headcanon theory, anons?
>>98784126>Alpharius/Omegon clone themselves, that's who the 3rd head/sigma represents>Khan agreed with the political aspects of the Heresy>Lorgrar's daemonhood was a way to "take him off the map" so Erebus and Lorgrar could fuck more shit up>Blood Ravens are Word Bearers/Thousand Sons chimerae
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>>98784111>TQIt's outrageous that there still is no Imperator titan model and rules for AT
>>98784126Despite being present at Terra, the White Scars never armed themselves with Iliastus assault cannons like IF and BA did because they were too busy sallying forth from the walls to properly adopt new armaments in any notable capacity. After all, why not stick with what you know? The legion techmarines already have their hands full trying to patch up the rest of their vehicle pool and weapons, why bother giving them something new and complicated to get bogged down with?
>>98784239Knights are fine, if not good. They do very well in most events. You're looking at the lancer wrong, it's meant to charge big things like tanks or dreadnoughts and run them through with its shock lance doing 5 damage with each hit. Not wade through hordes of infantry, that's the castigator's job.
>>98784372Knights are OK, they are not great, they are not terrible, the biggest issue is, not many of them are relaly worth taking for the point cost.The biggest issue with them, is LMAO WS4 The biggest threat to your knight now is not big shooty stuff, its random WS5 SGTs or vets coming in and chopping you off at the knees. With out fail my 10 man vet breacher squad with las cutters do the emperors work and saw knights off at the knees.
>>98784507Anon veteran breachers with lascutters cut everything off at the knees, not even superheavies survive their wrath. Ironically, the counter to them is hordes of ws4 melee units, because vet breachers only have two attacks each and their invuln save doesn't help then vs weight of dice attacks
>>98784521Oh im well aware of what the counter is, im saying though that knights get fucked on by WS5 units because of the shit WS chart of 2.0 and 3.0.
>>98784507>With out fail my 10 man vet breacher squad with las cutters do the emperors work and saw knights off at the knees.Whoa, the melee unit designed to turn anything with an AV value into molten scrap manage to do that to a knight? Say it aint so!Anon those vet breachers are nearly the came cost as a knight, and are much slower and have much shorter ranges. >>98784372Knights at events benefit from being a skew list in a format that encourages generalist lists. If your opponent knows you are taking knights and takes suitable levels of AT you will have a bad time eating rapiers to the face. But if your opponent does not know/cant rely on it and brings an all rounder list? Suddenly youre invincible. Id wager custodes, armored coprs of SA/militia and infantry spam SA/Militia also do very well at events. Also admech.
>>98784241I figure it's a mix of its profitability dropping off too quickly and the designers not really knowing what to do with it
>>98784528The best and safest way to deal with WS 5 melee units is and always has been shooting them dead. Throwing your own WS 5 unit at it relies too much on the dice going your way.
Post your armies / models.
Do we think these are of any use as something like scyllax?
>>98784841Should really make a new family photo with the thunderhawk included
>>98785001They look like ass and are too small.
>>98785035Really? How big are scyllax? I thought they were infantry sized.
>>98784841I still need to get a photo of my painted word bearers together, but have my blackshields and my mech
>>98784841
>>98785060nice iron warriors
>>98784241It would be let down after decades of overhype by morons both in GW and the customers Anything less than six feet would be treason
>>98784841I should do an updated group shot
>>98784841Not the full army but all the infantry. I've become a much better painter since I did them but I'm still quite proud of these guys.
>>98784841One of the few army shot ive taken. Its grown quite a bit since then.
Going to use a genestealer magus as a davinite priest/navigator for my allied SA. Do you think simply sanding the ridges off the head (plus removing gsc iconography. obviously) is enough, or should I give her a bandage over the eyes to do a sort of "blind seer" thing?
>>98784111>TQone of the titan variants? Xenos :^)
>>98785873headswap, give her the longhead skull from the Amazonian blood bowl team
>>98786228dont have that. If I was going to headswap id get the infocite assassin head, or a reaver jetbike one.
>>98786216Honestly, yes. A whole epic refresh would go so hard.
>>98786263indeed, alas, it is my conviction that titanicus was made for the sole reason of ligma and the only reason why ligma will remain heresy only (mostly marines) is because xenofags are picky. regardless of what size and price a marine model is released, piggers will slop up. but xenofags? if they can have a 2k army for fraction of a price then they will go for the cheaper smaller variant and never bother for the more expensive standard scale.I'm surprised KT hasn't murdered the xeno sales yet with its myriad of xeno teams. a xeno titan would imply epic xenos and GW must NOT allow for such hearsay and rumors to exist. better to stay out of sight and out of mind than to allow Consumers™ to fantasize and even proont cheaper xenos. epic xenos never ever.
>>98785873Very basic conversion work, but shes mostly done. Just need to touch up the blindfold once the greestuff solidifies and also finish making the chest area a bit more defined in places via some gentle scraping.
>>98785040Sure but we're talking mechanicum infantry size.
>>98786571Huh, that is quite a bit bigger than I expected/the image made them look. .
>>98786620Being serious about size for a moment, not sure how big the pinup chicks are. The models from that brand tend to be quite big, but if theyre scaled for 25mms then maybe theyre going to be only marine size.
>>98784841I've been working on a unit of Veteran Breachers for my World Eaters. Might get my whole army together for a group shot once they're done.
>>98784841Just did 1250points of traitor militia for an event last month. I only got about 80% of the way through building and painting them but was good enough for the table top
>>98784841>>98786963oh and the Iron Hands army from the start of the year.
>>98786963Looks great. How did you find the laser rapiers in game? I have three on the way for my militia.
>>98787079For militia rapiers can never be better than BS3, so hitting on 4+ as they don't get buffed from some of the province choices like weapon teams do BUT when they hit they fuck stuff up really well. I love them for popping vehicles and dreads + they are cheap and easy to hide in terrain. You should always take them in multiple split up groups to mitigate status and casualties. They have a great damage profile and in the last event killed a landraider, rhino, arakne turret, thallax squad a bunch of other stuff.
>>98786963That's a lot of cavalry, cool shit
>>98786454>Didn't give her a boob jobMissed opportunity
>>98786963What are those lizard things?
>>98787645Thanks anon, they are a real effort to paint for a T3 army but they look and play fun on the table. I need to do up 30 more but all ranged attack options for outflanking.Here is a cool pic of 2 cavalry units and the beastmasters swarming a kitting out BA vet breacher squad. Only thing left after 2 rounds of combat was the BA champion here who attached to the unit.
>>98787673Militia Beastmaster Troop, you can choose to use them as Dogs, Cats or lizards and birds and each choice has different stats/specialities. I ran them as the cats for better movement and initiative and they actual became really high performing on the charge with good province choices buffing them at WS5, I5 and 2 Attack and then bogging down marines.
>>98785001>>98785873>>98786454>women >in Warhammer universe Coomers get out and stay out, all these trannies attracted by cheap custodes deserve the rope
>>98787678Cool pic, slap a grainy filter on it and it could have been from a black book.
>>98787696Very cool!
>>98787735Yes coomers are pathetic, coomers are the proto troons btw, so tiresome they have to shove this garbage into the hobby.
>>98787678Based and animal-pilled.
>>98784841friend is printing me 50 of the older tzeentch horrors to add to this
>>98787922Damn, 50 pink horrors? Are they that good?
>>98787853It seems obsession is the mark of autism
>>98787931no not reallyI just think it's funny to use the splitting ability
>>98787953it is a hilarious way to tarpit shooting if you bait some high cost big ranged unit, I highly approve
>>98787953The tzeentch daemon rules look very fun in general. The magic chicken stando gambit, flamers that put the flamer in flamers, the ability to give the enemy +1 line for shits and giggles. Only the screamers confuse me, they look extremely overpriced for what they do.
>40k gets 30k custodes stuff>30k doesn't get dawn eagles or allarus I mean, i don't want but its still rude
>>98788098I think it's a sign of respect. We don't want 40k slop contaminating our superior game.
>>98788112The 30k dickbikes are the slop here
>>98788147Dawn eagles are still worse.
>>98787659Her boobs are going to be big enough once ive chiseled away at her chest area. Inspired by this one I saw online. >>98787735All me btw. And just you wait, going to get more ladies for my SA when and if needed.
>>98787735You lost. ADB won.
>>98788855God i hate him so much
>>98788869He sure is one odd guy
>>98788874I assume this is a joke.
>>98788869I know theres no accounting for taste, but why serena williams? Shes not ugly, but surely if youre going for the "god gives me my own waifu" angle why not pick zazie beetz or anok yai or whatever? Maybe she has a winning personality I guess.
>>98788908He wants to get pegged by a gorilla.
>>98788908It's pure virtue signaling, he wants everyone to know how much he loves a baboon so he gets cred at the GW offices and in the woke as fuck modern author circle jerk community.I assume white authors like him are expected to debase themselves by default to be allowed to get published anymore.
Looking for the Zone Mortalis JT pleaseSomeone was kind enough to share the Istvaan Dropsite JT last thread, here it is again for anyone who missed it. Would be good to get these in the OP gofile.https://gofile.io/d/s796lhFR
This is the man in charge of the narrative of the siege of terra and the scouringI stopped reading them ages ago anyway but it's still disappointing.
Anyone have that fanart Word Bearers thing were some loyalist holdout refuses to join his wayward bretheren? I think the last panel has him shooting a fallen chaplain while stating that "I refuse" or something?
>>98785010I would LOVE to look at these minis in a less blurry pic anon
>>98788954Im not sure "express attraction to a major(?) celebrity" is part of some sort of humiliation ritual. Maybe if it was like, lizzo, or something, I could see it, but serena williams isnt exactly ugly either, shes no model but shes not hideous.
>>98788908In her prime, she was full figured/coke bottle shaped with an athletic build.White guys would virtue signal that they didn't find her attractive (despite fucking girls who looked just like her for centuries) online, but that was their faggotry.
>>98786963These are gorgeous my dude. Do you use them as a standalone force or as allies?
>>98788884Funny that he keeps joking about fetishizing Black bodies.
>>98788869isn't he married?
>>98789200I bet ur fun at parties.
>>98789504why would you be awarded your own wife in the afterlife unless it's her hell
>>98784656>>98784241it would be taller than the 28mm Cerastus and thick like the Atrapos or the AT assmaster1600 individual parts in each gun assembly with warlord sunfuries as point defence guns and a rotary cannon that can fit more lifesize dicks in than your momit would sell four, three of them to warhammer world for dioramas, one to a japanese guy who spends the next three years building it with his son, then shelves the project until his son returns to it fifty years later
>>98784656>and the designers not really knowing what to do with itI suspect the warmaster was meant to become an Imperator, but they couldn't make a cathedral to their liking and so simply didn't.
>>98788966Nobody? Also I'm discovering that more JTs exist outside of the OP selection - if anyone has the one with the assassins in it that would be amazing.
Regarding Imperators I've wildly misunderestimated how long it will take to print an 8mm scaled version of the original Imperator on a Mars printer. It's taken 2x 2 hour prints just to make the shin bastions which are bigger than a Falchion. It will take probably 15 build plates to make it. I'm just going to make a Warmonger and eventually an Imperator to convert into an Abominatus once I find STLs of all the models Gav Thorpe used in the original conversion
>>98788966>>98789817Here you go: gofile.io/d/KyEUy107Been uploading scans of all the journals with temporary links, rather disappointed other anons aren't sharing. Online archives get reported to GW, and random IP range blocks make it very difficult to post a new link when somebody requests some journals.
>>98789944Adrian Wood rather. Gav made the rules and fluff
I thought gofile was le bad? Or was that GW disinfo?
>>98790002Definitely fake news, never had problems with it. Use an adblocker, you shouldn't be on the internet without one to begin with.
Does anyone know if the noise marine kits are compatible with HH stuff
>>98790040IDK about the noise marines specifically but I kitbashed the normal EC troops with mk iv marines to make inductii
>>98790040The 40k noise marines are way larger than HH models, they're on 40mm bases, almost terminator size but lankier.
>>98789509I bet you suck dick.
>>98790073Bet you would like to know
>>98790002Someone used it for injecting malware through modified links iirc but it never happened in /hhg/ so it's mostly the latter.
>>98789944Wait, are you making a full scale one? Pics?
>>98789642An autistic guy would have it assembled and painted in a week.
>>98789642Stick to push-to-fit, kiddo. Let actual men handle the real miniatures.
I don't care for them. Tbh just painting Indomitus Terminators golden would be a step up from this.
>>98790387I thought about converting them to ec terminators desu
>>98790387They look like what would happen if you asked an AI to generate custodes terminators. Theyre uncanny.
>>98790394I think this can be said of many things post 1.0.
This is the second time they’ve fucked up terminator models. Idk how but they managed it,
>>98790376>miniature
>>98790400I disagree. But it is true here.
>>98790387Dunno what is wrong with whatever team designs the infantry for HH but so far they destroy everything they touch. They can't even make terminators look like proper terminators for crying out loud. At least recasters exist, so we can still get the old, proper models.
>>98790387These and the new Cataphractii just read as "slightly heavier regular power armor" than Tactical Dreadnought armor.
>>98790401When everybody unanimously agrees the models look like shit you know it's very, very bad.
>>98790387I don't care for the chunky Aquila on the helmet, chestplate and leg.
>>98790406What, you want a real life sized Imperator titan?
>>98790411What bothered me the most of out the Cata downgrade was that they made the fists smaller for absolutely no reason. Terminator fists have always been bigger, and now some hotshot sculptor just... decided that they're not going to be anymore. 40K got great looking Indomi termies, and we're left with this garbage.
>>98790427How else would you know they are custodes and not some DA specific termie lmfao.
>>98790461Well they share little in common with the Dark Angels aesthetic for starters, but having incredibly elaborate and fine details would be quite a bit more fitting than these oversized blotches all over.
>>98790165 No it's modern AT scale. It's just because it's the size of a 28mm knight with loads of pieces and I have a small printer.
>>98789952Muchos obligados, hermano. It's very frustrating innit
I am both hyped and scared for updated tartar terminators
>>98790394Agree, uncanny is the first word that comes to mind
Began reading Legion the other day>John Grammaticus>GRAMMATICUSare you fucking kidding me what kind of dumbass name is that?sounds like the shitty mascot of a latin grammar school book.
>>98790767Are you trying to summon John Grammaticus, the father of grammar, with that abysmal writing of yours?
>>98790730They're gonna look like fucking militia flakk armour at this rate.
>>98788954yes he's a big virtue signalling attention whore
>>98790411It's crazy how iron warriors are consistently the best looking army no matter the unit
>>98790387It's rather unsalvageable. And it's custodes so you can't even use it as a bits reservoir.
>>98791005As a fist player you could probably use the fist for something? But yea, theyre pretty dogshit.
>>98790767Wait until you get to Timmothy Typonicus. Those sections have a lot of errors.
>>98790767https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammaticus
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>>98790376enjoy handling this fictional real miniature in your mind-palace, data-holmes-kun>>98790190he'd bitch about it in /hhg/ for a week, then imagine how easy it must be to assemble if only he could afford one
>>98784111BASED KING OF AT
>>98784528The WS chart is based though
>>98791503TOW's and old 40k edition one was better
>>98791515No. Too much 'you hit on 4s.'If you have better WS it should be harder to be hit than a 50/50. Plus with even more shooting in the game than ever if you get something into combat it should rip it apart. No one like long drawn out indecisive shit, especially when the game is already 4 fucking turns.If anything, tOW should adopt this WS chart. It would help high WS infantry get a survivability boost against shit like 'hordes of dudes', in particular for elves who have garbage armor and T3. A fucking normal human shouldn't be able to hit a space Marine in CC 50% of the time. Neither should some smelly peasant or state troop fresh off the farm be able to hit an elf (or dwarf) on a 4 either.
>>98791515Dumb ass
>>98791570Ok
>>98791545IDK, mass WS5 terminator spam isn't that fun to deal with tbqh
>>98791515Disagree. WHFBs weaponskill chart is kinda mostly irrelevant.But it also exists in a game where WS is more varied and there are/were more ways to mess with it. Double+1 works when you have say, WS2 dudes running around, or spells that drop/buff WS. It does not work then 99% of units are either WS4 or 5.
>>98791591It isnt, but its also weak as shit. The answer to "mass ws5 terminators" is to avoid the 3~ slow telegraphed units and their transports and call it a day. There isnt really meant to be a "good" way to kill terminators because the point of terminators is that theyre the toughest infantry possible. The downside is that theyre really expensive and slow.
>>98791641Basically: I play Warriors of Chaos, theyre one of the highest WS armies in the game. That rarely feels important. Sure, its a bit more damage in some combats, but you rarely ever go "wow, im ws5 fighting ws3, this should be really favored for me" because that ws3 dude hits you like youre ws3.
>>98791647Hmmm... fair en ough
>>98789050Thanks anon! yeah I am using them as allies until I can finish the full militia 3k army. Militia as a painting and modelling project feels like 3 times the amount of work a marine project is so I need to go slow and not burn out. So far I have like 1250ponts painted so I can easily slot that into any other armies as a fast expendable allied force.I also really want to do a big 1500 points of siege of terra style conscripts they describe in the books, real low class, 2nd hand supplies and kit Scripts pressed ganged into being road bumps for the siege, but I reckon I need different heads/helms to make them look more loyalist.
>>98789944>>98790165Here is s leg bastion of the Imperator (well a Warmonger) next to a Falchion and a Warhounds chassis in the same scale plus a heroic scale Khârn.How can perhaps understand who fucking hefty that would be at 28mm scale and how that's a solid chunk of resin of no small size
>>98792053I can't believe it...You bought that issue for the LIgma bit too, didn't you?
>>98792252NTA but there's a LIgma bit in the latest WD article?
>>98792280A couple pages about one guy's army but pretty underwhelming.
>>98792319Sad
>>98792323Imagine if GW made magazine for their specialist games like they used to yet?
>>98792341Don't make me weep
>>98792351Imagine even just a quarterly Titanicus magazine...
>>98792359Heavenly
>>98792252m-m-maybe
>>98792490>It's just Xestobiax Anon's battlereports and gushing season after season>He does it for free
>>98792700hhg zines when
>>98789952Do you have full scans of either/both of the custodes ones?
>>98792700Dubs of hope
>>98784528knights find it hard to hit things that only come halfway up their shins, yestry punching a rat sometime, see how that works
>>98788855Is he still writing books for BL?
>>98793888Hey /hhg/, /40kg/ has a couple questions for you:>>98793889>>98793892
>>98792828Didn't have the time to scan the first one yet, and the second one isn't even out yet
>>98784111pros and cons of building an artificer warsmith in plastic vs getting the cataphractii warsmith?
>>98794253For building, I have no idea - the Cataphractii Warsmith is basically out the box, while the Artificer one you'd have to scratchbuild / use the old metal one?However on the table the Artificer one has more options for how you build them (full Praetor armoury) while the Cataphractii one is monobuild (Cyberfamiliar optional).Artificer is cheaper (base), faster (+1M), and can fit in a Rhino / with standard footsloggers, but loses the +1T and +1W of the Cataphractii.On the other hand, the Cataphractii only really pairs with other Cataphractii and needs a Land Raider (minimum) to get anywhere fast.
>>98792742I've had one cooking for a while but first I need to write enough content to carry at least the first issue before I became the editorial King in the Castle and start asking for submissions. I even keep forgetting to finish my titan heraldry guide. I got distracted changing my style guide.
>>98794253go with artificer - more loadout options and depending on the bits you use for building, he will be unique. the downside it is that you need to acquire a servo arm, especially if you dont want one in resin and care about those particular equipment details.
>>98794362>>98794663nta but do you really need more options when you want the graviton crusher, which is a better thunder hammer, anyway?
Is there any reason to take a damocles command rhino over an MoS? Might do so anyways for rule of cool but thought I should ask
>>98794783Pintle heavy weapon, transport capacity, tougher. Much more expensive though, so basically no.
Pretty new to the hobby. Noticing a lot of minis that are still resin instead of plastic on the WH website, and I don't know the general release cadence of Heresy stuff, so would it be better to hold off and hope for a future plastic version, or just say fuggit and go with resin anyway
>>98794808Shame, I got the space marine command tanks from FW and was thinking of doing them up as EC
>>98794783It's less points than a MoS + a Rhino you need to transport a 6 man veteran/command squad in.
>>98794811go with resin, the odds of the unit you want being updated any time soon are low. Theres a lot of pretty basic stuff that hasnt been updated yet.
>>98794808>Much more expensive thoughWithout upgrades a command rhino is only 5 points more than a MoS...
>>98794816Genuine retardation on my part but what would be the point of putting him and the vet squad in the rhino when I could have him hiding in the back?
>>98794825You misunderstand. You don't need the MoS when you take a command rhino. The command rhino can also serve as a transport for a vet squad. That way you can save 55 points.
>>98794822Oh word? What the hell was I looking at?
>>98794844I get it now, but what I don't get now is using the Damocles Rhino as a transport, isn't that just risking losing the command vox relay? I guess having it hide in the back it might as well be a MoS... much to ponder on
>>98794847>What the hell was I looking at?No idea.
It really doesn't feel right to see them painted anything but gold.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/arqdk3n9/new-custodes-units-for-horus-heresy-designers-notes-for-the-assault-on-kol/
>>98794819Fair enough, thanks, anon!
>>98794852It is, but its a bit of flexibility if you need it.
>>98794856That looks quite nice imo but yeah I could never not go for the gold despite how they justify alternate schemes.
>>98794869TYVM
>>98794856lmao they called it an arcane journal.
>>98794852With the current line of sight rules it's quite easy to advance without every possible anti-tank unit being able to see it. Also rhino's are surprisingly resilient now.
>>98794856>These events, including the Battle for Signus Prime itself, are pivotal moments in the Horus Heresy and, as is fitting, will be returned to in due course. Possible hint at future journal tactica?
I've almost finished Echoes of Eternity and it's just horrible schlock. This is literally Marvel tier. There is no mythic register anymore, it just feels like some reddit superhero crap. Bligh was the doomed sage and now we have grimdark mediocrity of Black Library and corporate hacks. The Arkhan Land shit is the most reddit tier slop I've ever read and despite Dembski-Bowden deliberately and self consciously referencing in meta how silly saccharine tropes are he repeatedly does them in this shitty Marvel book. Also the tiresome nihilism and midwittery, I can't tell if he sometimes believes he's being philosophical in his writing. Jesus H ChristHe's good at visceral vignettes sometimes like at the beginning with Kargos charging in the dust of the Imperial Palace but outside that it's shit. Also those vignettes are basically copies of the previous World Eater books he did, which were a lot better
>>98794362The only idea I had was to pair my Warsmith with Siege Tyrants as a bodyguard so he can go up and use his Cognis Signum. Pretty annoying their missile launchers aren't barrage, but what else would go better for the Warsmith? I'm not too keen on getting a melee bodyguard if I can avoid it, at least for Iron Warriors
>>98794923Why don't you want a melee bodyguard for a praetor tier melee character? Just take a siege breaker in terminator armour if all you want is the cognis signum.The cognis signum buffs the first barrage unit that fires upon the selected target, which doesn't have to be the unit the character with cognis signum is joined to. Get some proper artillery anon, you are playing IW for fuck sake.
>>98794905Shitty highlights:-Dembski-Bowden trying to write Zephon as a mopey crippled war vet playing a sad piano-the woman who murdered a person to flee conscription and repeatedly draft dodging finally and tearfully assents to fight on the Delphic Battlement. it was so saccharine I threw up-Dembski-Bowden making Zephon say that Astartes feel fear theyre just good at repressing it (instead of, you know, they've been physiologically and psychologically mutilated to a state of numbness that can no longer experience it basically at all)-the sort of tired trope of Dembski-Bowden of the World Eater 'chainbrothers' he's already done with Argel Tal and Khan Best moments:-the reddit cyber monkey dying to Kargos' axe
>>98794945>instead of, you know, they've been physiologically and psychologically mutilated to a state of numbness that can no longer experience it basically at allWhich they arent. There is a reason they test for panic if you shoot them, and why they run the fuck away from overwhelming danger.
>>98794876TOW was the first game of theirs with this format
>>98794998Yes, but its "journal tactica" for HH.
>>98795002Yeah, but I would guess SDS just calls every 48-page book now either a journal or an arcane journal.Though it does seem like the article doesn't mention who talking; it's just "The Horus Heresy Team"
>>98794987Newfag. When HH first came out there was controversy over that rule. The explanation was that the Legiones Astartes would tactically retreat as part of battle calculus, not fear. E.g, "AAAAAAH NIGHT LORD FLESH PELT SO SCARY" (they had endure all the horrors of the Great Crusade 10x over)
>>98795037>not fearExcept it literally is, which is why "fear" is a literal rule.
>>98795012>"The Horus Heresy Team"Who is also the Necromunda, Old World, and MESBG team. And possibly also Blood Bowl? Can't remember if that got taken by main studio at this point
>>98795082yeah those are all the games done by SDS. It was just interesting because in the past when they done these articles, they mentioned who they were talking to, like Ben or Quinn, but now it's completely anonymous
>>98795043Wrong. Ignorant of the lore.
>>98795115Buddy, you can go check what rule demons had in 1e if you want. You can cope about how your dudes are totes brave, but theyre objectively not. They panic, they are affected by fear, they break and run from combat. Astartes are simply conditioned to be more tolerant of fear than mortals.
>>98795037no they absolutely didn't have the ATSKNF rule that 40k marines had back then
>>98795245>that 40k marines had back thenthat loyalist marines had back then.
>>98795122Shut the fuck up newfag. The GAME RULES are not representative 1:1 with the LORE. Retard. Space Marines are hypno-indoctrinated ultra-numbed psycho soldiers whose number 1 trait as forged by the Emperor besides sheer physicality was psychic/mental resilience, because they had an entire galaxy to conquer with innumerable horrors and terrors. They did not know fear in a very LITERAL sense and in combat they retreat and adjust in order to adapt. It is a rational process. They do not see a big scary monster and feel fear like a mortal human does. They assess and know its power, and if it is TOO powerful they retreat and reassess what weaponry and reinforcements they need to tackle it. They can be caught by surprise like in an ambush, but they do not get crippled by fear like a normal soldier could. That is the basic premise that defines a Space Marine.
>>98795407>Space Marines are hypno-indoctrinatedNot in heresy times they arent dipshit. >They assess and know its power, and if it is TOO powerful they retreat and reassess what weaponry and reinforcements they need to tackle it.Yup, there has never been such a thing as space marines routing, you are very smart.
>>98795411LMAO. >Not in heresy times they arent dipshit.You can't even read an online wiki let alone the Black Books. Just google it you fucking spastic>Yup, there has never been such a thing as space marines routing, you are very smart.They do not flee in terror, correct. As you've shown you can't grasp basic lore by thinking hypno-indoctrination isn't in the 30k timeline, you've shown you're a tard who has no idea what he's talking about. Shutup and go read some lore
>>98795421>They do not flee in terror, correct.Youre right, they just pretend to do that in all those books where they do that.
>>98795421>>98795411Marines were hypno-indoctrinated in the heresy, just not to the same amount as 30k, the fluff text on the UM Inductii rules mention that they were given more and implies they became the base for 40k marines
>>98795421ooOoOoOoOoO im the book ghost, im here to tell you to read the fucking books ooOoOoOoooOoO
>>98795439>30k40k
>>98795043It isn't. Space marines don't feel fear, that's why they gave them the rule "And They Shall Know NO FEAR"They do a disciplined tactical retreat when their current placement is no longer sound, but there's zero fear involved.It's like threatening a chess engine's knight and he makes it jump backwards to safety. The engine was not "scared", it simply thinks the knight is currently overextended and tactically retreat will increase odds of securing a victory.
>>98795421Black Book I - Betrayal:p28:>The resultant Space Marine is in many ways no longer functionally human, but in others massively advantaged in terms of physical strength, durability and reflexes over even the most physically adept unaugmented human warrior. Their bodies are also phenomenally efficient biological engines, resistant to disease, contamination, radiation and poison. In addition they are also all but impervious to the natural consequences of aging and cell decay to the extent that other than by extreme physical trauma or incremental toxin and contaminate damage, they may in fact be functionally immortal or at least have lifespans far beyond that of the human stock from which they were taken.p27:>With rigorous training and mental conditioning they became not only immensely strong and tough, but iron-willed and disciplined, an unstoppable force whose loyalty to the Emperor was unflinching.So they were disciplined and loyal, but nowhere is it said that they are fearless.Additionally, p27 further remarks:>Such accelerated gene-seed techniques, along with absent, inadequate or over-forceful psycho-indoctrination techniques were later found to have unseen fundamental flaws. Many since have come to believe that the drive to create larger Legions at speed had a prime role in the degradation in the sanity and physiological make-up of certain Legions and paved the way for the horror that was to come.Meaning that the Legions use of psycho-indoctrination was (at best) enough to render them disciplined and loyal, and at worst broke their minds, did not take, or was not present to affect them.If you want to argue about the tabletop rules, note that no space marine unit in all of 30k has ever had the Universal Special Rule 'And They Shall Know No Fear'.
>>98795472Space marines are affected by the rule fear, and therefore actually do feel fear, regardless of what their marketing line suggests.
>>98795472>that's why they gave them the rule "And They Shall Know NO FEAR"they've never had that rule in 30k, it was only ever in 40k
>>98795472The rigorous indoctrination, hypno-conditioning, and heavy scrutiny from the chaplains of space marine recruits was put in place as a result of the Heresy. Before that marines didn't have their minds mutilated to the same degree.
>>98795472yes they know fear, they just deal with it well, no courage without fear.
>>98794695not a big fan of combi guns with limited use of secondary myself, and think i would give the warsmith a sword or something instead of a hammer or crusher to make him more unique and get that kyr vhalen feel
>>98795615The only fear a DA knows is the fear of failing the Lion and the Emperor.
>>98795649Post heresy their biggest fear is the Fallen and people finding out.
>>98795472>It isn't. Space marines don't feel fear, that's why they gave them the rule "And They Shall Know NO FEAR"
>>98795524Rule 14, dude.
>>98795940drive on the left at sea?
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>>98796096I miss true marines so much
>>98796062i don't know anon people have been really slacking on 34 and 35 the last decade or so
>>98796173Still have a ton of them that I'm modifying to Mk V to make them HH legal, they're such great models. Especially the metal veteran models have so much character to them, SOVL some might call it, couldn't explain why though.
>>98796221Really? Are you sure you're looking in the right places? Rule 34 and 35 have become even more true now that AI slop exists in my experience.
>>98795472Space marines feel fear AND depression. They just deal with it better than most and can bottle it up better. One of their biggest fears is a future where there is no more war, because at that point, what becomes of them?
>>98796221Certified Not-a-Porn-Addict. Well done, Anon
>>98795407The fist HH BL novels had Loken pecifically go out of his way to emphasize that marines physically to not feel fear which the remembrancer he was chatting with didn't find satisfying.
Whats the best way to murder custodes as admech, las-fusil thallax?
>>98796315show me that warmaster titan tussy then
>>98796775You cannot just full fusil thallax your way out of every problem, Anon.
>>98796791Why not?
>>98796797Also: would it not actually be better to run them as multi meltas? You get half the shots, but you need half the wounds to get through so it should technically balance out. Plus its better into the higher wound stuff (or blowing up vehicles from DS).
>>98796775>Phage (T)knock em down to fat marine status>Pinning (X)knock em down to standing fat marine status
Has anyone converted scarab occults to a tsons tartaros squad?
>>98797253Mine swap between a command squad and Sekhmet depending on mood. Didnt really convert though, just did the candy red theme.
why do white scars get so much stuff in heresyThey get basically nothing in 40k, the Khan on Bike they used to have was squatted. But in Heresy it's like they're almost a gw favorite.
>>98784195>alpharius/omegon/sigmanTHE THIRD BROTHER OMGon
>>98797489Anon they were literally the last legion to get released
>>98797565>last to be released gets the most attention because GW learned from early fuckupskekwhy si that always the case with GW.
>>98797623That's not even close to the most attention either, that's pretty much bog standard what every legion gets, the only notable extra there is the land speeder, and maybe the stormseer but plenty of legions get unique consuls
>>98797664Not even close, look at RG
>>98797489Wraight did a good job on them, they deserve it. Blood Angels have lots of stuff too, and a lot of the old BA 40k kits had bits to use in 30k.
>>98797971>look at RGI can't they are shadow walking bro
>>98797253Do you mean the 40k kit?
>>98798291Yeah
>>98798366You can pretty much use the kit and paint it red, maybe swap out the weapons if needed depending on the loadout.
>>98798369Probably works well for late heresy I take it.
>>98794856Black works, and with the right accents I think other precious metal shades can work, be it silver or some other shade of gold. I loosely considered TTC Doom Metal for a squad of Aquilons, but all the gold filigree has me thinking otherwise.
>>98797489I still don't get why THEY got a legion leviathan and not any traitor legion.
>>98797253A long time ago but I gave them away.
>>98797664White scars have a lot more of their -own- stuff than iron warriors kekkle
friend printed out 80 of these fucks so I guess I'm set on blues too
>only word bearers gets daemon stuff like possessed dreadnaughtreally makes them stand out in a sea of samey "we're space romans" guys.
>>98798658>no traitor leviathanTHE NIGHT LORDS WOULD LIKE A WORD WITH YOU.....
>>98798678unironically, this feels me with seethe
>>98798735So you got the blues, as one might say
>>98798735Wow, amazing! The plastic horrors look so goofy and bad.
>>98798678IW look best with stock units and upgrades.
>>98799189Not bitterness?
>>98790387I'm worried about the helmets, they look oddly small again
>>98797489Bc the Kahn and the whole WS Legion is based as fuck
>>98798678Iron Warriors are THE vanilla legion though. They don't even repaint the power armour suits the Mechanicum delivers them, just slap their legion icon on a shoulder pad and call it a day.
>>98799800Death guard is a joke to you?
>>98798658Night Lords have one, good looking too.
>>98799833Yes.
>>98798256Unfortunately BA have largely fallen off in terms of available bits. I assume there were no true enthusiasts on their design team during the primaris updating process, not like how it was for Black Templars.
>>98799564Yeah the compromise for them to be for a rank and flank made them uninspired
>>98799680That too
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hfzw6zqv/using-slaanesh-daemons-in-the-age-of-darkness-designers-notes/
>>98800396This is so fucking pathetic. Just bring back resin so you can actually fucking do something.
>>98800195Very based
>>98798735The old metal pinks and blues mog the fuck out of the plastics
>>98800441Samefag
>>98800446No?
>>98800041There's recasters for old stuff, also Tortugabay make blood angels stuff now too.
>>98800396Some interesting lore in this article actually, I'm impressed.
I have so many unbuilt bodies and I can't decide what units to turn them into for my DG. I've got like 20 new MK2, 20 new MK3, and 10 more third party MK3 with the big gut plates. It feels like not much beyond heavy support squads really get any benefit from the DG rules so I should probably just do more of those?
>>98800505You aren't pidgeonholing yourself into only building units that gain a lot from the DG trait, right? Some melee veterans or a praetorian command squad are very good to have and fun to play, regardless of whether they're affected by a legion trait. Not to mention destroyers, you can't call yourself a DG player if you don't have any destroyer squads.
>>98800396Are the journals still getting scanned? Don't think I've seen one since the skittle one.
>>98784111What bronze was used for those coils? It is making me question whether I should use ArmyPainter's True brass paint for metallic energy coils.
>>98800527>can't call yourself a DG player if you don't have any destroyer squadsAlready working on that.But yeah, I kinda want to do a unit of Seekers and some Veteran Breachers just cuz cool.
>>98800528There's scans of every journal up to the prospero one. Nobody keeps them archived, adds them to the OP, or shares them though. And can't do everything myself, already sacrificing precious free time on scanning
>>98800552Nice
>>98800528You kinda just have to be around in the threads when they drop. Anons will generously provide the links during that time, but there’s no archive or anything anymore since it’s far too easy to get taken down. All it takes is one idiot to start blabbing about it on reddit for any permanent link to get reported.
>>98800396>Phage (WP)>Model with Fear 2 >Zardu Layak can control models with WP7 or less >most primarchs are WP10>Zardu Layak can now steal your primarch
>>98786963What minis did you use for the infantry?
>>98800396>With a whole new army list at their disposal and boons to the existing Legiones Astartes list, the Traitor host matching on Terra will doubtlessly be swelled, leaving us to wonder, how will the Loyalists begin to counter these threats? You’ll have to wait and see what joins the muster in the next Journal Tactica!Nullificatorbros . . . We will be so back!
>>98800807That would be too cool to be true.
>>98800807>>98800807>the monkey's paw curls >nullificators are now saturnine terminators with hammers and twin disintegrators as fixed load out (better go buy 5 Warhammer™ The Horus Heresy™Age of Darkness™ Saturnine Praetor with Hammer™s like a good goyim)
>>98800912Ha ha pr00nter go brrrrrrrrrrrr
>>98800983BUT BUT THEN YOUR MODELS WONT BE LEGAL FOR OFFICIAL WORLDS AND NARRATIVE EVENTS HELD AT OFFICIAL WARHAMMER STORE PARTICPATING LOCATIONS (literally just Warhammer World).ALSO THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS
In order to win I actually can't kill this guy
>>98801023>Not being allowed to play at the most obnoxious, sweaty eventsOh nooo, how terrible.
>>98801025Well it's unpainted trash so you should kill it out of principle anyway Princeps
>>98800912As opposed to original cata nullificators, which required you to buy allarus custodians for the adrathic disintigrators? And then some deathwing knights for the mauls?
>>98800494Any recasters for that 2014 BA Tac kit? The prices for original ones are all over the place with dubious quality abound. I’ve wondered if they found a home with 3d printer people yet. That’s one of the best specific Marine kits ever made
I sat down today to paint today and to my suprise, I realised that I have only 2 models left to paint. And after that I am done. No more models to paints. I don't know what to do with my weekends. I have been painting for years and now am done, and what is stranger there are no models I would want to buy. Maybe if there were primarchs in plastic or legion specific units, and even those I kind of a already have, so I would be doubling down on units. I don't know what to do. I don't want to buy same models to paint a different legion, I don't even think I want to paint a different legion or chapter. I actualy do not know what to do. Maybe paint some succesor chapters or something. Any advice ?
>>98801575I haven't found one yet sadly.
>>98801536You could give them flamers also, much easier to kitbash. The death ray guns could be printed btw.
Has someone build veteran trenchers with something else then maxed out maces? like axes or power weapons(spears)?
Titanicus has been played! I had an intro game against a new player, I lost due to secondary objectives because I killed a warlord I was supposed to leave as structurally compromised.
>>98801596If you're just looking for stuff to paint it might be time to start looking into non-HH or even non-GW minis.
>>98801689Turn 1 was just advancing and Blastermaster taking out a cerastus. The survivor of the lance bodyblocked Laserbeak who also failed to actually kill it with the power claw, but my opponent's warlord (actually my warlord) killed it with a stray shot from the volkite beamer.
>>98800707sure if he can survive the challenge phase, but it's still only going to happen like 1/3 times that you try between getting the Manifestation off at WP9 and failing the WP check for a Curse at WP7; you'll give yourself or the primarch perils about as oftennow if your target was Angron>>98800807it's a prime advantage that boosts WP
>>98801703Stripes pounds a warhound good but Bossman has to finish it off. Lot of action in this spot here but it means my knights can run up to the warlord which they really aren't suitable for fighting.
>>98801721The knights take a couple shields off the warlord and the rest are stripped by Laserbeak. The enemy reaver gets its chainfist shot off by Blastermaster Stripes and Bossman surround the other reaver but due to my secondary objective have to structurally compromise it instead of killing it outright.
>>98801691Is there something that looks and feels like DA outside of w40k/HH, I must say I know very little to nothing about games outside of those two. Is there like a knight orders game, or something similar? Probably not a place to ask around here. But who knows, maybe in a week or two GW informs us that in preparation for 4th ed, they will drop a set of two plastic primarch each month.
>>98801729In the last turn Laserbeak destroys the warhound in a charge, but the reaver does enough damage with its smash attack that Laserbeak's reactor overload destroys it. The enemy warlord is attacked in the rear by the knights that do a fair bit of damage but Bossman has to engage it to get the structure compromised only to end up killing it after its forced to use its volcano cannon.My opponent did pretty well for a first game but their titans didn't have much anti-armor capability so once my shields were down they struggled with doing damage. Play Titanicus.
>>98801672Going to build mine with a bunch of different status weapons and lascutters. Shotguns, combi-flamers, combi-graviton, a real breach and clear squad.
>>98801636If we accept printing then no loadout is that expensive really. And everyone ran the disntigrators, thats the whole point of the unit, they were the cool variant terminators who got what was (at the time) a super limited weapon system. Honestly I think part of the reason nullificators arent a thing yet is that its hard to make "wow they have disintigrators" feel special now theyre a balanced special weapon. They would need some sort of bespoke variant.
Can't decide on WBs or EC someone help
Do you still use company command squads now that veteran despoilers are a thing again?
>>98800768"The Damned" plastics from Wargames Atlantic's new set. I backed their KS/Gamefound like 3 years ago for the largest backing tier and now have like 3 militia armies to build and paint lol my eyes were way to big for my stomach
I want a majority flying army
>>98802398Antigrav units, actual aerial reserves or a mixture of the two for your lists anon?
>>98802170Ee Cee
>>98802170Tell us your current thought process for them
>>98802495I like the potential late heresy EC have for bullshit in terms of hobbying, like paint schemes and weapons and such, like their Inductii all getting charnabal blades and using the arms from the new 40k EC troops kit for the weapons. For WBs I'm just a fan of 40k chaos space marines and they seem the closest to that, I also like the Gal Vorbak minis and Zardu Layak's mini, unsure how I'd fluff /mydudes/ in either legion desu. I have a few of the EC kits from 40k lying around (mostly the base unit and characters) and some 40k CSM stuff I'd kitbash with heresy plastics to make WBs. I like both legions too which is the ultimate indecision. >>98802494Kinda leaning towards them desu. Playstyle wise I don't really have a preference for either as both buff melee combat in different ways.
I don't trust Veteran Breachers. A full 10 for 4 lascutter attacks, plus the sarge. Maybe the other 5 should have power axes idk.Though it is the one squad that can justify power spears without it being powergamey
>>98802201Retinue and Elite squads are essentially identical in their availability: they both need a Logistical or a MotL
>>98802526i3 hammers is leagues above +1 to combat res
>>98802883Good to know...
Can we make female custodians Psykers at least
>>98802935We don't ask why the emperor, who is a psyker (supposedly) not only refuses to have a payker in his bodygurd but surrounds himself with psychic nulls, who are supposed to be toxic to his very soul as a psyker (supposedly) instead.
>>98802976Yeah seems He just won't have the precursors to the New Men be psychic. Allegedly they do have an intrinsic echo of his own divinity, but that's about it.I wonder what Custodian souls look like in warpsight.
>>98802976>why does the emperor, who has lived through thousands of years of galactic collapse caused by the emergence of psykers, not simply stand next to armed bombs all the time
>>98802398>Voidbourne Feral Warriors vespid militia
How do y'all equip Breachers? Or do you just go all-in and take Veteran Breachers? Either way I need to source some shields I like.
>>98803373>>98803373>>98803373New thread is a bit early because I'll be at comic con tomorrow and won't be able to make it.Refreshed the Titanicus gofile too.Bitch.
>>98802526WB will likely be easier to customize if you’re leaning into a chaos theme. 40k EC are noticeably larger in scale than 30k, so keep that in mind if you’re kitbashing. That said, personally I like EC aesthetics more with the purple and gold paint jobs. I suppose for you it’ll come down to whether you enjoy building or painting more.
>>98802935Why though?
>>98802201Of course. Veteran despoilers can't take (heavy) flamers to inflict panic before charging in, and all vanguard does is cuck them out of getting full VP from an objective.
