Too symmetrical to live edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98796039>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>4e Booksgofile.io/d/KAQe7n7f>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread Questions:What are the BEST looking basic melee infantry of any faction?What are the WORST looking basic melee infantry of amy faction? [Hardmode: no marauders]
>>98807346>Silent People should be undead mummified bugsBy sigmar...The sovl...It's too powerful...
>best Kairics but I know that’s a personal opinion of mine Second best in my opinion are the sylvaneth elf ghost guys Safest pick is probably gonna go to gluttons or kruel boyz rippas or whatever the dudes with the shields are called
>>98807346isn't this just azjolnerub from warcraft 3
>>98807379Oh and the >worst Either steel helms or the new dwarfs >personal I really want to like witch elves but I hate models that are jumping. I wish they were a bit more static Oh and the hags are just meh.
>Christmas boxes suck assOh yeah, it's kill team time.
>>98807466Am I missing something? Did they get leaked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC8MsxiVEjwi think robs right. the community at large needs to start talking about putting together some kind of document or set of community rules that let people keep playing into the current edition when GW squats their armies. we've lost several armies in a single edition now, on top of large portions of other ranges.
>>98807353>What are the BEST looking basic melee infantry of any faction?deepkin thralls are pretty good, the new nurgle guys and chaos warriors are good. the saurus turned out really well. but my pic for absolute best have to be the arkanaut company. they perfectly nailed their aesthetic, the kits got a shitload of bits, ball joint heads, flat joint arms, several special weapons and the sergeant gets a unique weapon. its a great kit and executed the armies look exactly. if i only had one gripe with the kit it would be the lack of unhelmeted heads, but at the time i think the lore made that kind of unprofessional for them to do, although they seemed to have softened on that since 3e. debatable weather arkanauts actually count as a melee unit, but they all have melee weapons so im counting it.>What are the WORST looking basic melee infantry of amy faction?steelhelms are pretty bad. not that i hate the design (although they could use some capes) or the intent, but something about the proportions has always felt off in a way that makes them seem like kids wearing their dads armor. lumineth wardens are pretty bad only because those pikes are really impractical on the table and can make lining up units to fight each other base to base very difficult mid game, although long pikes are a cool idea, its just a logistics problem.pretty much all the basic daemons are old and bad.
>>98807381More like SNOREcraft 3 am I right
>buzz around the warcry designers new game I hope this trends to shame GW
>>98807509>age of sigmar, before the necroquake fan edition containing rules for squatted armies
>>98807605I do think it’s funny people are quick to drop the>whole x is actually good! Or y is actually good! The moment something with actual bones dropped. I’ve always thought mordheim was neat in concept but just frankly horrible in practice. I still like Warcry but it seems like gw just never really gave it the try it needed. I just hope this new game can either support my high fantasy wants or at least is a good enough of a base that I can adapt it into something better myself.
>>98807466I’d be tempted by the slaves to darkness one but knowing the price is probably $270 I’m passing on it. I’ll see if the end of edition stuff appeals to me or I’m just saving for 5th edition.
>>98807381Don't the warcraft bugs just serve the lich king? Not nearly as interesting tbqh
>>98807650>Mordheim commentThat can be said about most GW side-games, they break easily if you take a wrong step and at their best when community self-polices itself. Space Hulk is another beloved gem, yet the actual gameplay is frankly trash. Same can be said other games like Necromunda is another great example where it's so easy to abuse things and make it unfun for others, but if you have self-control and respect for other players you won't do the very obviously broken builds. We were very lucky with Warcry and Underworlds, for all their problems, and Spearhead was lucky it was made by the Warcry guy. Same with Bloodbowl, even it's S3 somehow did not completely fuck it all up.
>>98807640it needs something, but as much as i prefered the older editions, just going backwards doesnt work either, because depending on how far back you go, peoples armies and units start dissapearing in the other direction and players with newer armies get excluded.so it needs to be some kind of bridge ruleset that can staple on to whatever the current edition everyone plays is, but brings forward all of the units that have been removed so everyone can play the current game. i'd even want to go as far as making the old version of cities playable with like the pheonicium or living cities coalitions. a lot of people with cities hybrid armies got the shaft which were very popular in 2nd edition
>>98807704True, plus there are some core rules introduced with 3rd and 4th that I do rather like that would work great for 2nd edition.
>>98807474Lord-CelestantLord-RelictorLord-Commander Bastian CarthalosAnnihilators and Annihilators and… AnnihilatorsPraetorsChaos Lord on Daemonic MountVaranguardChaos ChosenChaos KnightsChaos WarriorsTuskboss on Maw-grunta and Tuskboss on Maw-gruntaGore-gruntas and Gore-gruntasNagashBladegheist RevenantsDreadscythe HarridansChainraspsSpirit Hosts allegedly
>>98807680yes and no. the nerubians were a global spanning race with their own separate empires and cities and all that. the ones who serve the lich king are just one of those empires but there are others. you encounter another, azj kahet, in the war within which are still independent and alive, although they temporarily fall under the manipulation of another big bad, but they never end up as undead servants like azjol nerublike in age of sigmar terms, nagash has armies of vampires and other undead made from humans, but not all humans are under nagash's control (yet)
>>98807731They really needed to release that iron jawz battleforce last year
>>98807353Idoneth bros...Kharadron bros...We're going to make it to 5th right
>>98807745Needs to have refreshed gore gruntaz. I could use more big pigs but I’m not getting more little pigs after the 6 I already painted
>>98807731>Lord-Celestant>Lord-Relictor>Lord-Commander Bastian Carthalos>Annihilators and Annihilators and...Annihilators>Praetorsthis reads like a list of what not to buy because GW is clearing inventory to squat it. after what just happened to the fyreslayers and their previous spearhead, i think everyone should be suspicious of any boxes that are "heres a ton of one specific thing"
>>98807777It’s for the army of renown that’s centered around stormcast hero.
>tfw the start collecting boxes are disappearing and being replaced by the 50% more expensive ones
>>98807557objectively so yes>>98807773obviouslywe’re too cool to lose
>>98807704Right, it basically needs to be up to date rules for squatted armies/units, which means essentially a never ending project. Which is why these things rarely get off the ground, but it's cool when they do.
>>98807773To 5th? Absolutely. THROUGH 5th is whole other question.
We need more of these guys and they need to show up in more armies. I know the FEC are supposed to have their own "Horrors Rampant" but GW seems to be taking their sweet time showing anything of them.
>>98808230We need dog/horse sized gargoylians.
>>98808230GW could make sprue boxes similar to the citadel skulls for faction-specific lil guys and it would do super well i think>skaven rats>idoneth sea life and shells>nurgle maggots and small nurglings>cos gargoylians>gitz mushrooms
>>98808343>2026>GW releasing a box of kitbashing or conversion materials You’re a funny guyAbelard, release another Space Marine founding chapter update
>>98808359i never said GW was smart. i'm just a silly lil guy who wants to add more cool stuff to my bases :(
>>98808359Speaking of every single Stormcast looks like a hammer of sigmar, when is GW going to commit to making Stormcast look different? A dark angel doesn’t look like a space wolf
Grey seer completed. I adore this model from the base to the horns to the knife. Probably my favorite project so far
>>98807224I'm not shitposting. Vanguard were easily my favorite stormcast range. I guess we're lucky we can still get them. The new ones don't have the same vibe at all.Also GW's attempt to fix the crossbows just made them more retarded.
>>98807731I was so convinced we'd get Helsmiths.
>>98809129some battle forces may still be missing
>>98808063>>98807935I honestly will be pissed if Idoneth are cancelled; they are actually a cool faction
>>98807773ALL ELVES IN ONE BOOK ALL DWARFS IN ONE BOOK (yes, helsmiths too)ALL COLORED CHAOS IN ONE BOOKALL UNDECIDED CHAOS IN ONE BOOKALL UNDEAD IN ONE BOOKALL DESTRUCTION IN ONE BOOKCITIES AND STORMIES AND LIZARDS IN ONE BOOK
>>98807353> TQBest: Ardboyz. Single-handedly sold me on the faction and the AoR that spams them. Absolutely peak Ironjawz aesthetics. > WorstKairic Acolytes and Bloodreavers both look very silly. I also can't see Witch Elves, Ghouls or Moonclan Grots as anything other than WFB models on the wrong bases.
>>98809172No way are we getting more than 4
>>98808409hopefully never, because that only creates very redundant model ranges, or requires a bland basic aesthetic that only gets a limited number of thematic releases for each flavour, or overpriced upgrade sprues that nobody ends up buying not to mention the never ending "whataboutme?" that each subfaction's fans would cry every release, and it's already bad enough as it is with all the poorly supported ranges before we get to over explore the already bloated one
>>98809179if they were actually fleshed out within those books like how ToW handles it, then it might not be a bad idea, but the aos teams formatting and design is terrible for soup. when i make a dwarf army for ToW for example, i can customize a 50pt thane to be a gunner as good as most artillery, a combat machine to stand toe to toe with the likes of gotrek, a banner bearing buffer granting units valuable bonuses, a tough as nails wall of iron that a whole squad could struggle to bring down, or just a bare bones 50pt chump to support a squad. i can build the army standard, slayer host, engineers in entrenched positions with scouting rangers and copters, a kings clan loaded to the gills with treasure etc, slayer characters even have two different sets of customization options between runes and tattoos, of which they have dozens to choose from. i can outfit my units bare bones to save points or all the bells and whistles for elite or swiss army knife units. even the warmachines can take magic rune wargear. in that kind of an army building structure, throwing all the dwarfs in one book isnt a bad thing. but in age of sigmar where the whole army gets 1 of 3 artifacts, 1 of 3 heroic traits, a subfaction thats a single sentence, and no customization options for wargear whatsoever, big soup books really do not work at all. best case you get something like warclans where its basically 2 books in 1. worst case you get what happened to fyreslayers where their whole army was reduced to 3 units as a footnote in someone elses book with no options. i mean fuck, we dont even get mount traits anymore in most books. this game has fallen far, and i say that as a 10 year fan with 8 armies.
>>98807773WAGMI (to 5th edition)>>98807777"Clearing stock" isn't really a thing. Regardless, this is basically just the heroes of the first forged Army of renown which had bastian + other heroes + annihilators (dunno if you can take praetors I forgot). They're not squatting any 3rd edition stuff in 5th, the only things at risk are the remaining first edition fatcast things. I expect most of it to be redone in thunderstrike, but some stuff might be lost in translation (like whay happened with the knight venator or lord castellant for example)But honestly the real question is what happens in 6th edition? Because as long as stormcast keep being in every starter box, we're going to keep having this bloat -> squatting come up every few editions. It's a tough cookie.
At least they've read comments under their announcement. Let's hope they'll draw correct conclusions from them.
>>98809490They do?
>>98809504lol
>>98808359>Abelard, release another Space Marine founding chapter updateand it will sell 20x better than anything from Age of Sissygasm
>>98808230FEC should have super cute anime mascot creatures that they're totally convinced are fearsome intimidating beasts (why else would everyone be scared shitless when noble knights arrive? must be their boon companions!)
>>98809528And 200x better than anything from The Oriental World :^)
>>98809425How can you say clearing stock isn't a thing when time and time again GW has demonstrated the pattern of putting a unit on deep discount boxes prior to having it go to legends? It costs them nothing to make minis, whereas the cost of carrying old stock is a legitimate concern from a logistical standpoint.
>>98808343swarm units historically never sold quite well, they only had one formula for a good use for them in game during 8th which was to give a malus to the unit they were engaged with so that other friendly units could fight the enemy better, but gw never capitalised on that, so they're stuck with the idea that swarms don't sell as a rule
>>98809551they don't keep much stock to begin with and they do runs of lesser performing kits in bundles so that the related moulds can say to have paid for themselves, or have saturated the existing customerbase as much as they could more than to deal with any actual overstocking.As you say the products themselves cost them nothing so the moment overstocking becomes an issue they can just throw them out.It all depends on how logistically consuming it is to rebox stock in the first place compared ro producing new one.
>>98809504Someone did, they even answered some comments.
>>98809551People vastly overestimate the amount of random old models they have laying around. They made a lot more of the DoK spearhead boxes than they had warlock sprues in stock for example.Now don't get me wrong it is undeniable that GW likes to put old and badly selling shit in discount boxes, but that's not so much about stock as it is about squeezing some extra money out of a kit, especially if that kit is about to be replaced.Let's take the old dok spearhead box with warlocks for example, let's call this composition box A. Now imagine they replaced the warlocks inside with more popular bat elves instead and let's call this hypothetical spearhead box B.DoK players are probably going to end up buying bat aelves anyway, but would they but warlocks if they weren't in a discount box? Probably not, so you end up making more if you sell box A + bat aelves separately, instead of box B + warlocks separately.Units that are about to be squatted become even more valuable to squeeze sales out of it.
>>98809592GW put those in every discount box for a whole edition before squatting them.
Thanks for playing, suckers! No refunds!
>>98809671perfect for clanshields :)
>>98809677Anon... all new dwarf infantry go on 28mm bases. Fyreslayers are a wholly 32mm army.
>>98809680the names of the bases lie anyway, 32mm bases are actually 30mm bases
>>98809682Have you tried measuring at the wider bottom of the base? :)
>>98809592>laying around The biggest profit loss GW experiences is the downtime of swapping moulds. The second biggest is warehousing. If GW put Warlocks in the machine, they're generating enough for a year or more in that window because frankly it is a net negative to their business to even produce it - other stuff sells faster, better, accommodates new releases, etc. GW have hundreds of moulds and tens of machines. They each produce thousands of sprues per hour, so the downtime of swapping moulds (20-60 minutes) is significant. TLDR; they definitely hold stock, they definitely want to get rid of it because stock is taxed.
>>98809671I still have some a box of unopened hearthguard and a flamekeeper. you think I can trade it for different stuff at my local warhammer store? they've honored returns without receipts in the past, if it was sealed.
>>98809671Anyone buying Hearthguard after this are genuinely suckers, please contact me I have a bridge to sell you.
>>98809701Those aren't legends so they'd have to
>>98809706I'm gonna begrudgingly get the new spearhead to round out my fyreslayer collection with a third droth and some seekers.I'll play old editions with them. But man do I feel like a sucker.
>>98809716are flameseekers bigger than the old fyreslayers?
>>98809728I don't think so but hearthguard are a little conservative in their poses and head options to accommodate the 3 builds so flameseekers might stand out a bit more with bolder poses.
> We're just going to remove your baseline infantry lolFucking why
>>98809819Just make them legendary proxies for flameseekers :)
>>98809819You had too many foot heroes so we had to take away 1 of your 2 infantry options
>>98809841Oh and make a new foot hero while we're at it.
>>98809819So that was a fucking lie
For real, when AOS was newer I settled on two factions because they were things that I thought were cool in Fantasy: Beastmen and (Fyre)slayers.When Beastmen got kicked to the curb and sent to the minor leagues, I said well at least I still have Fyreslayers. And now with this change? I'm actually fine with it.Think of it this way: Fyreslayers just got a whole lot of armored dudes added to their roster. Nothing is stopping you from painting the Khazalites in Fyreslayer colors. Nothing is stopping you from kitbashing Fyreslayer helmets on all of them. Nothing is stopping you from playing your Vulkites as Hearthguard from now on.It's going to be fine.
>>98809877i mean yea, its a similar deal with the squatted stormcast. a lot of stormcast infantry can very easily be proxied for each other. same with the dwarfs however i am disapointed we didnt get fyreslayers expanded on, seeing the new foothero especially, if we got a infantry unit of guys in that style plus a centre piece and cavalry, couldve been an iconic aos army but alas it was not to be. i wouldve loved a battle barge that rides on lava and has fyreslayers jumping off it n shi however i think part of the reason they are turning away from them is that they dont want to pigeon whole an army into a particular environment theme i think. they removed the ogors forever winter schtick and now fyreslayers relegated into their own corner
>>98809258>that only creates very redundant model rangesWolf guard and sanguinary guard are the exact same thing?>not to mention the never ending "whataboutme?" This happens anyway
>>98809854How you can just use count-as :)
>>98809706Hearthguard are ugly and you shouldn't be buying them to begin with, but I would be very surprised to see them go. They're making fyreslayers the elite infantry wing within khazalites. Vulkites didn't fit in that idea, being basic grunts competing with clanshields, but hearthguard do.
>>98809877This is the kind of tranquility I see in terminal cancer patients. You're this close to breaking the cycle of reincarnation
>>98809934>theA*
>>98809940NTA but as someone with like 4 dudes I can reliably play AoS with whenever really makes it so I don’t give a fuck about what GW is really doing or have to.
I had a fever dream last night where GW made an AoS version of Blood Bowl but it was based on basketball instead of American football, and for some reason. The dude in charge of the game was a massive sneakerhead so all the community articles were all based on how Stomcast would wear Air Jordans instead of talking about the game or anythingI can only assume that was the spirit of James Workshop telepathicly talking to me
>>98810034we already dreamt about age of slam 10 years ago
>>98810034You know, CoS make a lot more sense when you consider them to be basketball players.
>>98809934Flameseekers are as much a horde as vulkites
When are we getting the End of Edition models?
>>98810269Warcry privileges
>>98810313Next year, dwarfs and the skink are the last things for this year.
>>98809540Kek>>98809940How many terminal cancer patients have you seen anon
>>98809819'cause retards at gw
>>98808409Problem is that stormcast are way less of a blank slate than marines are. Marines are really a very non-descript design at its core, in the sense that you can relatively easily make one group of marines "the roman guys", another group "the viking guys", "the hellenic guys", "the vampire guys" etc etc. While stormcast by default already have a relatively defined aesthetic, though admittedly since thunderstrike they've been more generic knightly paladins and less art deco.So while stormies have some differences already culturally, visually that doesn't translate at all. Now I *think* you could still differentiate stormies by giving each stormhost (or group of stormhosts) their own patron deity aside from sigmar. So these guys have taal, these guys have morrda, these guys alarielle, these guys have not!ursun...So you have like "the woodsmen hunter guys", "the muh grimdark reclusian larper guys", "the healer hippy guys", "the bear berzerker guys"That'd be my pitch anyway.
>>98810269it doesnt make sense to me why flameseekers dont have D2 weapons. they're wielding greataxes just like the hearthguard, but for some reason are statted like dual wielding vulkitesmaybe the new book will change that
>>98809425>"Clearing stock" isn't really a thing>>98809671
>>98809671How sad!
>>98810439NTA, the point is that GW likely doesn't keep large amounts of physical stock of unpacked sprues, as that makes little logistical sense. They absolutely do put low selling kits and soon to be squatted kits in combo boxes though. That's because they don't need discounts to sell the popular kits, and they'll want to make sure they've saturated their target market before retiring models. It makes business sense to do what they do with the combo boxes even if there isn't a physical warehouse somewhere to clear stock from.Trying to explain the logic here, I don't like that they do it.
>>98810034Speaking of a hypothetical AoS Blood Bowl game, let's imagine what would be the playstyles of the different teams:>CoS: Basically the same as the Humans from Fantasy Blood Bowl: versatile "jacks of all trades & master of none", Ogor Warhulk as the Big Guy, etc>SE: THE elite team. Universally high performer across the board... along with per-individual-player price tags that would give a Kharadron a heart attack, even when mitigated by dead SE players having a chance to come back to life via Reforging. Draconith could be the Big Guy.>Fyreslayers: High-risk high-reward fighters who compensate for their poor defense, speed and passing by simply beating the shit out of the other team with sheer overwhelming brute force blitzing, enhanced even further by ur-gold runes at the risk of going insane due to Glimmerlust.>Sylvaneth: That one team that you JUST KNOW absolutely everyone is going to whine about being "broken" and "unfair to play against" because of their ability to immobilize your players with roots. Dryads as linemen that can punch way harder than they look if you're not careful, Tree-Revenants as the expensive elite passers and scorers, Kurnoth Hunter as the Big Guy.>Idoneth: Namarti serve as relatively weak but cheap linemen that protect the Akhelian and Ishrann elites as the former score the touchdowns and the later provide debuffs and placement control through Ethersea bullshit.>KO: Just fly over the other team, lol. Aethergold tech is expensive and easy to break, though.Anything to add about those I've mentioned? And any ideas for the other teams?
>>98810515>GW likely doesn't keep large amounts of physical stock of unpacked spruesim 98% sure ToW directly disproves this. or do you mean to tell me they really re-pressed every mold in the entire old world game in a few years just to relaunch it? hundreds of molds for thousands of sheets each?
>>98810542... the proposed alternative here being that they were sitting on piles and piles of random tomb king and bretonnian sprues for a decade plus for no particular reason?
did they ever actually manage to open their new warehouse? I know it got blocked by a bat nest or something proper retarded.
>>98809819They're changing Fyreslayers from a standalone army to an elite subfaction. Subfactions don't need basic chaff units that are already covered by the main army, in the same way they don't need 15 unique hero options. Notice KH also have Valayan elite infantry and Golems, not Valayan shit tasters that are weaker than clanshields. I've been playing Fyreslayers forever so I'm a little gutted, but it does make sense from an organizational standpoint. Being demoted to a subfaction hurts.
I wonder if the energy crises is gonna impact releases moving forward.
>>98810542Yes anon, they absolutely did. And continue to do so, in order to keep TOW in stock.Warehouse space is one of the most valuable resources GW has, one of the main reasons they cited for squatting Bretts and TKs in the first place was to free up warehouse space for newer kits.
>>98809697The point is, people talk about "clearing stock" as if GW is going in and repacking old printed sprues into new discount boxes to clear them, and that 1000% does not happen. GW literally just fucking destroys unused sprues, is more energy and cost efficient for them then that retarded shit would be. They absolutely do want to sucker you into buying old units you wouldn't pay money for otherwise, but those sprues are still all newly printed.
>>98810862>repacking old printed sprues into new discount boxes to clear themYes. GW uses limited run boxes to shift stock they have in abundance or stock they intend to discard. GW aren't just destroying unused sprues because they're taxed based on the RRP of stock not the material cost of production. GW stock isn't applicable for redundancy tax write offs so they only get a deduction AT BEST. You're just an idiot with some schizo theories.
>>98810542They sure as hell didn't have stock lying around all that time for a game they discontinued, if that's your counter scenario.>>98810649The bat was at a planned car park at HQ. They signed a lease for another warehouse due for completion this december, so they're getting increased capacity.https://www.vgpparks.eu/press-releases/games-workshop-signs-up-at-vgp-park-east-midlands/
>>98810542>re-pressedMoulds don't wear until decades and GW hold multiple copies per sprue outside of commemoratives
>>98810900>Yes. GW uses limited run boxes to shift stock they have in abundance or stock they intend to discardThey do not, and insiders have stated such numerous times. Literally the manpower costs of repackaging is higher than the cost of producing those sprues to begin with.
>>98810900Thing is spearhead boxes can't really be considered limited runs can they? The fyreslayer one has been a thing for 3+ years now (counting vanguard here).I can believe the stock clearing theory for shit like the regiment of renown boxes, but for stuff like spearhead etc I think the other factors (maximizing sprue value) are far more relevant.
>>98810994>Thing is spearhead boxes can't really be considered limited runs can they? for some they are. They usally get replaced with a new battletome.
>>98810980>GW just pay tax on unsold stock for fun That'd be one hell of a shareholder report but thankfully you're just exceptionally retarded and GW run a profitable business
>>98811001Wait you guys get multiple spearheads?
>>98811007I also remember how when TK and Bretts were Squatted, GW shoved all the excess stock into discount boxes to clear it out. Oh wait, that didn't happen because it would be retarded. They simply destroyed the excess stock to free up warehouse space.
>>98811026Only because all the units in the previous one got squatted :)
>>98811026Helsmiths, ironjawz, or kurleboyz?
>>98811039TK and Brets were sold for over a year of AoS with stock dwindling over time, newfag
>>98811065IJ lol
>>98810808OK but why not just make the Berzerkers a bit more elite then?Would it kill them to just buff them into a unit worth more points? Look at what they've done to Custodes in 40k.
>>98811091More like until february
>>98811065I sincerely wish KBs got an expanded roster.
>>98809884>i wouldve loved a battle barge that rides on lava and has fyreslayers jumping off it n shiWhy not make your dream a reality. Use some of the squatted FS heroes as the dudes riding a boat.
>>98810381>While stormcast by default already have a relatively defined aestheticThat defined aesthetic is literally hammers of sigmar and Azyrite culture the novels, 3rd battletome, and a white dwarf I believe talked about how the different hosts have different armor styles and personalization. Anvils of heldenhammer run around with a whole bunch of morbid iconography, symbols of dead cultures, and noticeably more baroque armor. >Now I *think* you could still differentiate stormies by giving each stormhost (or group of stormhosts) their own patron deity aside from sigmar. So these guys have taal, these guys have morrda, these guys alarielle, these guys have not!ursun..They’ve had that since 1st edition GW just literally refuses to show it and every single named character is a hammer of sigmar except what Gardus and he’s running around in vintage Stormcast jeans
>>98811303Honestly one of my biggest pet peeves with modern gw is that basically all (battle) art must have every character depict an exact model. It's really stifling.
>>98811303I’d be surprised if The Hallowed Knights don’t get a character model this edition, Gardus is doing a Dante thing so his model probably won’t get an update unless they make him Lord Commander which they should . Tornus is one I think
>>98811608Gotta say the hallowed knights scheme is much, much better than the gold and blue posterboys. Was a good choice to go with them for skaventide
>>98811652Yeah it is a nice tonal juxtaposition to how fucking shit the realms are to have some shining silver paladins getting fucking owned in rat fuck trenches. Gives me hope we won’t get drowned in grimdark forever
>>98809884They brought back the throne of power now bring back the anvil of doom as a mobile forge-temple-juggernaut dragged by a big magmadroth
>2026>I am forgotten
I love painting minis
>>98811985Did anyone really ever give a fuck about this dude in the first place?Considering he is wielding THE warhammer (ignoring harry for a sec) you'd think he'd have more going on but he's just so utterly forgettable. I keep thinking vandus' model is the one with ghal maraz.Anyway this dude is not surviving til 5th right?
>>98812010He stopped being relevant after second when they tried making aos grounded in third.
>>98808359They released battlefield trophies for 40k not long ago
>>98812031That was 2-3 years ago.
>>98811902that sounds incredible please let it happen
>>98808343>Lizardmen snakes, lizards, and frogs. Maybe also tropical birds>Death in general little midget skeletons and ghosts, weird zombie heads, ghoulified animalsReally I just want to see more like the weird little head with legs here >>98808230The weirder the better.
The Last Volari is a pretty decent vampire book by GW standards they usually suck
>>98812010i think people only really cared about him because he was strong on the table. he's kind of a faceless mystery guy in the lore which is inherently limiting on how well you can actually connect with him, and he has since bee eclipsed by better characters in the range like bastian, ionus, yndraste and neave. i havent actually seen a C prime on the table in years. most stormcast players are running other characters. ionus is the one i see the most.
>>98812111Ionus’ model fucks super hard. It also helps that he’s an AoS OG
>>98812111I still need to get Bastian and maybe Yndraste, but the one named character I had a fondness for was Aventis (but that's due to me really loving Cities of Sigmar.)
>>98812104I heard the first one was dogshit, is it much different?But yes gw vampire novels are almost universally trash. Which is odd because vampire pulp should be pretty straightforward...
>>98812176Are Cado Ezechiar books any good? I have the first one, but not gotten around to reading it.
>>98812184They're fine. I personally don't care much for French's prose, and Cado is a character I find dull. But it does a bit worldbuilding, there are a few cool scenes, and some of the supporting characters are fun. I certainly enjoyed the two novels more than I did the Volari book. There are a bunch of short stories about Cado as well, so you could just check out those to see if you find them at all interesting.
>>98812010The only way I see him dying is to redeem Archaon in the process and him getting the mallet
>>98812207>Archaon the Neverchosen
>>98812207Redeemed archaon would be pretty funny, I oddly wouldn't hate it but that's maybe just because I am so fucking tired of his moping. Those whfb books were terrible and straight up negative pr.Anyway, I don't think they'd have the balls to do something like that though. Chaoswank is one of gw's sacred cows.
>>98812224It’d be a cool opportunity for AoS to get their original Chaos big bad rather than a WFB legacy while also keeping him around in a way. Dietrich the Stormcast would be interesting to read about IMO
>>98812207>redeem ArchaonCan you imagine the seethe?
>>98812239>It’d be a cool opportunity for AoS to get their original Chaos big bad rather than a WFB legacyI remember a schizo theory that stated exactly this, but instead by having archaon ascend to true god status himself. Nothing came of it ofcourse.Also imagine the seethe if abraxia ended up becoming the next everchosenAnywho, dietrich would be kind of an odd name for a stormcast. I guess we can gothicize it as Theodoric? That works.
I honestly wouldn’t mind trading some of my soulblight or wood elves or ossiarchs for a fat vast collection. At least the stuff before the extremis stuff.
>2016Vulkite Berserkers are released>2026Vulkite Berserkers are discontinued Fittingly symmetrical
>>98812295Wdym anon extremis are the best fatcast
>>98812184>>98812206>’cadoHWABAG
Think the next Soulblight wave will focus on a particular vampire bloodline or just add random shit to range? It would be nice to flesh out the parts of the army that aren't just Eastern Europe.
How is everyone feeling about the Khazalite Holds?
>>98812785shit troops, the rest looks coolkinda like ossiarchs
>>98812785Hero models: They're fine.Basic male infantry model: Normal.Basic female infantry model: Horrible, they need more femininity (breasts and long arms).Raider infantry model: Bad (they look like they're carrying a handheld vacuum cleaner instead of a firearm).Golem models:Male: Very good, female: Very bad (it needs more femininity).Female elite unit model: ..... (Why on earth does it look like Disa, the empowered dwarf with the Rings of Power?)
Hey, have the PDFs for the missing battletomes (Slaanesh, Gargants, Lizardmen, and Dwarfs) been released yet?
>>98812757Non Dragon-Centaur Vengorians would be nice. Like the concept of vampires that embrace the degeneration is nice but the execution is ass, particularly since the options are dragon-centaur lords or hahahah fuck you.
I've got 10 of the new saurus warriors and maybe 14 of the skinny 6/7th edition warriors that I cant seem to sell. Problem is my armies are aos khorne and nurgle. I think the easiest conversion would be bloodletters but I run a mortals army in khorne. What do you guys think would be the easiest unit to convert them to?
>>98812785Shit. Would probably be necking myself if I played Fyreslayers or was a major dwarf fan
>>98812785I like their lore, it’s probably the most interesting dwarfs have been to me, well excluding some snippets of rootkings and khadrons, but I’m still ultimately not a dwarf fan. I wouldn’t have minded collecting some models if cities of sigmar was, you know, more cosmopolitan, but soup isn’t in right now. As for my opinions of the models, well it’s been repeated already. I like the golems the heros the cannons, and I’m just hoping that there will be an alternative battle line unit down the future.
>>98812785I like em. Hope they expand on the HoH vs KH rivalry.
>>98812785They're good, but it's not worth what's happening to Fyreslayers.
>>98812919Wouldn't regular degenerate vampires just kind of be Strigoi and basically be FEC? Unless they do something with werewolf vampires that isn't linked with Vyrkos.
>>98813206They’d be more like necharchs from fantasy if I remember their lore right. Or that one ugly race of vampires from vtm.
>>98812919That would definitely be neat. It would almost certainly come with a Vargheist update which would complicate things. Though they did just fuckin' leave NH with the hexwratihs even though IIRC those are a multikit with black knights so I guess it'd be less of an issue
>>98813220I wouldn't call Necrarchs degenerate. They're like that because they partially feed off of dark magic to make themselves more powerful rather than just blood and it makes them ugly. Not like the Strigoi who devolved into those monsters. I'd welcome the return of Varghulfs to the army. GWE could even differentiate them from the FEC Courtiers with a different sculpt. Maybe one that emphasizes more wolf traits.
Does slaanesh have anything in its lore to hint at new developments in its battletome?
>>98812785I like the female hero and some of the infantry, though I don't really like the idea of the army so they'll be used as CoS proxies to reinforce the multicultural theme if I ever get them cheap enough
>>98813387>Ow The Edge: The Character
>>98811993Ngl I thought painting would suck but holy shit it’s fun as hell.
>>98812785kinda not worth the wait apart from the golems. i'll just end up getting the 8th ed fantasy dwarf plastics to proxy for most of them. aos designs have taken a noticable nosedive lately, the rumors about specialist games stealing some of the lead aos sculptors must be true
>>98812859>Why on earth does it look like Disa, the empowered dwarf with the Rings of Power?i actually think its taking more from the raid shadow legends designs more than anything else, as silly as that is to say. its a well known trope in the art industry that raid designs make it onto a ton of moodboards when artists are concepting because there's so much of it and its reasonably high quality, its become kind of a meme its so prolific
>>98812785Too many ugly female models to take it as a serious release.
I really would like that if vanguard stormcast get redone, that they have to ditch the dumb crossbows or just make them more conventional. I’d honestly take these guys throwing tomahawks more than carrying a not-bolter. Also I’m gonna have to guess furs aren’t allowed for stormcast anymore considering that’s a chaos thing?
>>98813774This is what you can expect from the updated Vanguards.
>>98813793Yeah and I can expect kurnothi based on the underworld warbands
>>98813793Honestly the dude top-right looks fine to me. The bow-gun is a bit goofy still, but the armor is decent enough.
>>98813805Also, not visible in those shots, but they're not entirely armored. Just a little lighter armored than normal SCE.
Wip check in before bed. Post your wips
>>98813001If you did some sculpting the skinny saurus could convert to flesh hounds if you make them quadrupeds
>>98813860>post your WIPNo can do, captain. As of yesterday I got nothing left to be in progress. Have today's photoshoot.
>>98813911That's a sexy cyan knife-ear, well done.
>>98813911the blue contrasts so well with the yellows and beiges of the base, super lovely work
>>98812785First impressions weren't great but once I got over how bad the clanshields and gunners are I realized I really liked the rest. All the hero models are great, artillery and centerpiece are fantastic. Golems are alright but aren't quite my thing. Despite being memed to death I'm unsure about the valaya unit. I think they have potential. There's some neat details like the Gjermundbu helmet style visors and the ornametal bun caps are cute.Still seething about fyreslayers though.
>>98813774>>98813793old crossbows work because the bolts are propelled by magic. The way they tried to fix it broke the design even more with how the string goes through the magazine.pic unrelated
>>98814039>through the magazine.that's the old designs, there's no magazine here in the new ones
>>98813470Goddamn the need for mating press is real didn’t know they did decent coom too
>>98814052>there's no magazineThat's another problem although are we sure that's not a mag?
>>98814075>That's another problemnot really, crossbows don't need one as a rule
>>98814180These do because that's how Stormcast crossbows work, they're repeater crossbows and they don't have time to reload after every shot. Bows are the single shot weapons.
>>98814202>that's how Stormcast crossbows workedthe new ones are different, clearly, do you see the same magazines? no
>>98814024I'm just cutting the buns off tbhon
>>98814202The large crossbow wielder in the new warband has a quiver. The others don't have one either, because >>98814075 you can see here that it's where the string connects not something that folds open and slides out. The bolts are fed from the back
>>98813206Vyrkos are aware of their monstrosity and try and larp as sophisticated nobility insteadStrigois are unaware of their monstrosity because of ushoran's curseAvengorii are fully aware and don't give a fuck about pretending otherwiseAt least in theory
>>98814262Why not use the other helmets then
>>98807731Is this confirmed somewhere? After years as an only-infantry guy I might finally make the jump to a pig enthusiast.
>>98814395It was mentioned by boole on tga He deleted his comment on it though.
>>98814395Iirc this information comes from boole, so it's pretty much confirmed. Though because of his tendency to fuck up details you can probably assume there might be one or two missing or different units. I think he said as much in the original post even.
>>98814339I'll recast the bodies to use both but it might muddy the waters of recognition on the tabletop too
>>98807731End of edition bundles or Battleforces? Could be either given 40k got a few waves of battleforces this year tbhon
>>98814445>but it might muddy the waters of recognition on the tabletop toocome on now axe and shield aren't that hard to tell apart from a halberd
>>98814593Sure, but I'm not recasting heads mate
>>98814445>it might muddy the waters of recognition on the tabletopit won't
>>98814448Christmas ones coming first I imagineAnyway, khazalite army set preorder announcement today?
>>98814407>>98814408Any mention what the 40k ones might be?
>>98814763Bored me. Nothingbforbchaos space marines Necrons Knights of both variety That’s it
>>98814785CSM again?? Didnt they just get like 2 of the same battleboxes in a row.
>>98814711Yeah, though boole didn't leak them last year?
>>98814846Csm don't get as much flak for it as their loyalist cousins do but they get a shit ton of attention too
Has everyone celebrated Fyreslayers leaving like they did BoC, Bonesplitterz, etc?
Today! You can buy my clanshields on ebay later.
>>98815071Honestly they're not the worst thing when viewed form this angle at tabletop distance.
>>98812785Woulda been somewhere between indifferent and bland, but them fucking over fyreslayers they suck ass and i dislike them actively for what they represent for the aos as a product
>>98815071The wooden shields by the barrels are so much better... I'm just sanding mine down to sculpt something on them. Who is going into battle with "th" or "mine" on their shield. Fucking stupid flanderisation
>>98815070No, we even had a discussion with a bunch of DoKfags scared for their army.
>>98815138I mean in general? reddit and such are always happy to defend gw but I thought perhaps an AoS exclusive here since launch army might be different
>>98815170I like to check the GW dwarf general sub for pictures on occasion, alongside occasional old world tournament reports, and they were just as unhappy with new dwarfs as these threads been. The Internet as a whole is more homogenized these days than ever before, both here and everywhere else.
>>98815126You might be overthinking this
>>98815126Not big on imagination, are you?"Th" could be the initial of the wielder's name, or a loved one's name, or (given dwarf culture) some honoured ancestor. Or it could be form the name of a place, where the wielder lives, or where he's from, or some ancestral home. Mines are central to dwarven culture, and so could have a vast array of meanings. It's where they gather the riches of the depths, thus making it the basis of their civilisations. They form the basis of the dwellings, so it's more or less where home and hearth is. A running theme seems to be "all that's worth fighting for".On top of that between the dwarven culture of Warhammer in general and the Norse culture that the runes are largely taken from all runes have some magic to them. For this wielder that rune may have been what the wise old loremaster suggested.Now if you just don't like these sculpts then that's fair. I don't. But you just had to try and invent some reason beyond that, didn't you? Gotta get at least one buzzword in there to "show your colours".
>>98812785Awful generic troop design. Actually irredeemably shit with those little gut plates, the lawn equipment for guns, and those "female" models mixed in. Literally fantasy Votann. The characters are pretty good. The best is by far the queen. The thrynn looks weird to me. I don't like the crown inscribed on the crown. The land boat is pretty cool.The nuns are alright. I don't like the idea that they barely have any hair though. All Dwarf women should have long plaited hair to go with the mens' beards. The golems exist I guess. Not terribly exciting but not awful. Same for the artillery, very bland.
>>98815170You are fighting imaginary enemies manReddit and tga hated those squattings and they hate the fyreslayer ones too.
>>98815126While the TOW Dwarfs are undoubtedly superior to the new Khazalit Holds, I think you're harping on the wrong thing. For one thing, Khazalid as a language has always been meant to be complex with many meanings attributed to single words or runes. GW certainly didn't set out to make a full language for the Dwarfs, but it's easily the most fleshed out Warhammer language and you can glean a fair bit from what we do have. They have dozens of words for gold that all mean different things for fuck sake.Just stick to complaining about the armor, the ugly beardlets in the basic infantry, and the leafblower guns.
>>98815294See >>98809877
>>98815303Anon...
>>98815187>The Internet as a whole is more homogenized these days than ever before, both here and everywhere else.Have we become reddit?
>>98815314Yes.
>>98815070>Fyreslayers leaving>leavingRetard. Losing some of the cooler looking foot heroes and the magma spells suck, but Fyreslayers aren't going anywhere. Between the new army, new Fyreslayer spearhead and justified internet grumbling Fyreslayers will probably sell more in the next year than they have since 2016.
>>98815327>youre losing half of your already limited models heres why thats a good thing and fucking awesomeI hope you dont do this for free
>>98815327>Losing some of the cooler looking foot heroes and the magma spellsand their basic infantryand the sceneryand a future with their own tome
>>98815327This anon's a rat!
>>98815327Pure gw shill insanity right here. You work for them or something?
>>98815338I've played Fyreslayers for ages, they're literally my favorite AoS army. If I were in charge of GW, they'd have gotten a huge wave of new units five years ago. I'm not saying I wanted this, not at all. Realistically though, it'll help them in the long run. Vulkites were hands down their worst looking unit, the one that is constantly memed on, and one that a lot of Fyreslayer players used in minimal numbers or not at all. Literally never having another Fyreslayer discount box that is 50-75% Vulkites by volume is a blessing for them on it's own. Losing the heroes does suck, mostly because they include some of my favorite sculpts for the army, but Fyreslayer heroes are some of the easiest in the game to proxy. Oh no, I'll use my Grimwrath as an Exile and my Runemaster as a Runesmiter or Flame Keeper, oh damn. The Battlesmith is secretly the biggest loss because he was the only banner heroes. GW kinda hates banner heroes in AoS overall though. The endless spells I will miss the most. The Pizza Oven is whatever, but the magma spells are peak. They should have fucking kept them.Still, compared to the mediocre-ish Khazalite Holds infantry lineup the now Vulkite-free Fyreslayers are not looking bad at all by comparison. Even though it's not the move I would have made, I guarantee there will be more people playing and painting Fyreslayers than ever because of this.
>>98815378No, exactly the opposite, I've played Fyreslayers since 2019 and endured the depths of despair that was watching GW ignore for them for over a decade. Being souped sucks, but it's better than being squatted.
>>98815389Speak for yourself, i liked the berzerkers
>>98813860No wips to post right now but here's my latest finished aos model instead>>98813911Fantastic work as always anon!
>>98815407Seriously. I can't imagine liking FS while disliking the humble vulkite. Never once thought they were bad while assembling or painting. If anything I absolutely loved all the detail on them.
What do people here think of the Soulbound TTRPG?
>>98815418The problem with Vulkites is mostly down to their posing, though some other details like their kilts being flat slabs of wood were also bad. They had cool helmets and weapons, arguably cooler than the HG, but the stiff wavy arm/tiptoe poses looked like ass and the biggest hit to Fyreslayers overall image as an army. You can like Vulkites if you want, certainly I'm not planning to throw mine away but the Warcry guys are still 1000x better and demonstrate what Fyreslayers could have been if they weren't stuck with early AoS/Late WHFB era plastics, many of which had similar problems. The old SC Liberators all assuming the poop squat being another example.
>>98815418Exactly. Literally the slayers in fyreslayers. Vulkites are the core of the entire concept
>>98815450>fatcast haterYou ain't my nigga
>>98815454Much like fatcast, you didn't see anybody out there praising Vulkites until they were rumored to be going away. The UW warband was good though. Shows the problems were more in the execution than the concept.
>>98815450I was actually with you till you spoke ill of the liberator fatcasts, especially since MOST releases of them were not like you describe.
>>98815476I don't really think the new Liberators look good either, if that makes you feel better. Thunderstrike was an improvement overall but there were definitely some misses.
>>98815469I always liked em
I feel like the reaction towards fyreslayer soup would've been wholly different if instead of some random fucking foot hero they just redid vulkites (in the style of flameseekers) as their pity release.
>>98815519>you have too many foot heroes so we will delete half of them>heres another foot hero fro you btw :)
It's the thing we were expecting>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/k4cm0fox/sunday-preview-open-the-khazalite-holds/
>>98815554I hate how small the "discount" boxes have become
>>98815554I only just realised but putting a named character in the fucking launch box of your new faction is some classic GW bullshit lmao.
>>98815564It's okay for a FOMO box, but it's a very stupid thing in evergreen boxes like Spearhead or Combat Patrols
>>98815519I would have preferred seeing flameseekers-style hearthguards, so that the old hearthguard kit could be retired too and the new fyreslayers were coherent
>>98815580That's another thing, seeing as the new spearhead box is fyreslayer-themed; you won't actually have a normal intro box for khazalites once the fomo box is gone, which seems stupid.
>>98815595GW are not really strangers to spamming spearhead boxes back to back, replacing them quickly afterwards, like with CoS for example.
>>98815078not sure that’s much praise but I agree at least they gel well together I guess>>98815314you’re describing the majority of the English speaking internet at this point
>>98815623I would guess normal Khazilite will get one for the end of the edition campaign
>>98815285I think Votann came out looking better honestly minus the throne centerpiece
>>98815626>not sure that’s much praise but I agree at least they gel well together I guessI mean that they instantly read as well armored stocky dudes at a glance. ideally they'd also look great up close but yeah.
>>98815562army sets have always been shit deals honestly but conent wise you have 2 warmachines(if we count golems as 1), a hero and infantry unit. Not that bad
>>98815641To each their own I suppose, to me Votann are one of the ugliest armies GW ever released to this date.
>>98815554Okay so when does the tome leak
>>98815414>Fantastic work as always anon!Hey, you too! Gonna get Tepaxi?
>>98815747Wednesday at the earliest
>>98815755Thanks! I'm not entirely sold on the model to be honest but maybe that will change sometime in the future. I still have a Bastiladon and a Slann to paint anyway.
>>98815389They're going to cut them over time. You have to be high on copium to not see this. You *ARE* the new bonesplitterz. It's absolute insanity that anyone can defend a corporation selling a $120 box for an army that came out less than a decade ago getting effectively sunsetted, and it's still on store shelves.This isn't an army going to old world, or an army with extremely old models that just lived past it's prime. It's an army made for this game and is now going away with no realistic replacement, just like sancrosanct.
>>98815519>Bael Grimnir or his Runequeen daughter Essential because now Fyreslayers are now not only without a named character but juxtaposed to the Dispossessed who have several. Either could be on foot or Magmadroth. >Magmadroth cavalry unit It's not much to ask. Just something beyond the pity hero and looming squatting threat because BoC got a new hero too.
Fyreslayers just need the kilts flameseekers have Diaper men just won't cut it anymore
>>98815641Oh Votann look fine. These Dwarfs look like shitty knockoffs.
Fyreslayers doomers can rejoice in the PtG book they're getting, centred around them. I'm sure it'll get peak narrative and perhaps include a Spearhead tie in for Pestilens Vs a new Fyreslayers unit
>>98815838More like Runequeer daughter. Women do not belong in the Patriarchal Fyreslayers.
>>98815926Neat, shame that stuff like that has no real effect on tabletop and often gets retconned at first chance by GW.
>>98815938It's amazing just how quickly things got extremely gay after 1e
>>98815562>golems are as big as chorf bulls and come in sets of 3 instead of 1damn
>>98815837>They're going to cut them over timeNo they aren't you absolute retard. That's like peddling a rumor about TOW squatting Slayers. They will stay.>It's an army made for this game and is now going away with no realistic replacementIt's an army becoming a subfaction with one less infantry unit and still more than twice as many heroes as the rest of KH. They'll be more than fine. Note than none of the credible rumormongers who leaked this happening forever ago agree with your doomer nonsense, btw. >now Fyreslayers are now not only without a named characterThe new hero is a named character. He's no faction leader, but he IS the first official Fyreslayer special character.
>>98816050>>The new hero is a named character. He's no faction leader, but he IS the first official Fyreslayer special character.The fuck is that pose btw?
>>98816063>The fuck is that pose btw?I think what they were going for is that the two are running alongside each other, plus pointing because Beastmaster hero, but yeah it didn't quite come together the way they wanted I think.
>>98816063they committed the cardinal sin of having 2 tense arms in a dynamic pose
>>98816063do dwarfs not have toes?
>>98816063big steppy but with stubby legs
>>98816110Do you mean toenails? That's just one of those GW things like eyebrows.His midair foot does look like a really shitty photoshop clip job.
>>98815945They're not patriarchal anymore though, keep up faggot
>>98816122>get squatted before they can add a million foids>die with your dignity intact We can't stop winning fyrebros! I'm not crying you're crying
>>98816122Thanks for the non-sequitur.
>>98816063Rain dance
>>98815837I know it's all doom and gloom time but I really don't see fyreslayers going anywhere now. Why would they? They're snugly fit as a subfaction within khazalites atm.
>>98816263Well need military grade copium. These guys will tear right through consumer grade.
>>98813793Honestly they should just put more underworlds bands in AoS and Spearhead>>98809459people say it is one of their best sellers (considering secondary games)>>98815554probably their spearhead... Meh, I will probably pass.
>DhampyreVampires can fuck? Or is that just haha teehee old timey speak
>>98816263People still think Slaanesh was going to die and get squatted this isn’t the place for logic
>>98816363Because that was going to happen while Kirby was going full retard.
>>98816372
>>98816263I don't see them squatted for same reason slayers are not in old world. If anything, them being non-slayers to holds being not-dwarfs is what keeps them alive since GW decided to just have all faction now just ape fantasy in laziest way possible.
>>98816389Sisters why is aos apeing fantasy? I thought aos was better and more popular in every way
>>98816398Even 40k votann have pseudo slayers, GW hasn't had an original dwarf-related idea in decades. Magmadroths are genuinely the only cool new thing they've done on that front.
>>98816388Yes yes I'm sure it's just a coincidence that slaanesh was missing for years while coincidentally ways were set up to kill him permanently in both aos and 40k. While they couldn't even be bothered to put a slaanesh head on archaon. Then after a new ceo took over and a 3 year development time we finally got new stuff. And then the Ynnari plotline just happened to get completely ignored.
>>98816425you're replying to decalnigger, don't bother
>>98816425This is what happens when you’re a beaten dog who can’t fathom anything other than more flanderization and chaoswank.
>>98816425Ynnari plotline wasn't ignored, it was concluded. Not in a satisfying way, but it was objectively shot down by having an anime fight against an illusion and losing while also confirming that final piece needed is straight up not obtainable.
>>98816437Impossible like it was impossible for fantasy space marines to survive over a week in the heart of Nurgle’s realm
>>98816437Considering that happened in a Gav Thorpe novel he expected to write a sequel to before the series got canceled that doesn't seem quite right.
>>98816446Oh I don't doubt GW had different plans for Ynnari initially, but that's a different topic all together. They killed a neat faction end of the day, and frankly I wish it was an actual soup faction rather than awkwardly strung together three eldar in a trenchcoat faction.
>>98815476Real ones never speak ill of fatcast Liberator Prime
>>98816263Same with spiderfang
>>98816063He needs to be posed angled on a tactical rock.
Started on the second guy and it's crazy how much faster it is>>98815414>>98813911These could be box art
>>98816474Spiderfang are one of like 4 subfactions within gits and consist of 2 kits, one of which is from 7th edition. Fyreslayers are space marine tier supported by comparison
>>98816463I miss the 1e vibe bros...
>>98816063Genuinely looks like they forgot to edit in the tactical rock.When is the last time a bad pose completely fucked an otherwise cool model like this?
>>98816597>otherwise cool model like thisAnon...Even in the promo photo it looks ready to jam his knuckleduster/dragon fist/whatever the hell it has on its hand in the baby droth's ass.It will never be cool.
Does anyone have pdfs for the HOS and/or SOB 4th edition battletomes?
>>98816635The dragonfister gauntlet is the best part of the model, though.
>>98816706>dragonfisterNow I won't ever use the official name anon, hope you're proud.
>>98816446>happened in a Gav Thorpe novelcorrection: in phoenix rising campaign book written by gw 40k studio writers
>>98816138I miss 2017
Huh.
>>98816648Nope. We’re still waiting for someone based enough to deliver.
>>98816358I think it just means something different in AoS doesn’t it?
>>98816764Damn that’s great. Wish more artists had fun with Tzeentch’s stuff like this. More?
>>98816635The dragonfister is the pure kinoooo, great design that should be applied to every vulkite STAT
you ever get the feeling the artists don't really give a shit about what they're drawing
Current work in progress. I’m still trying to figure out a final skin tone for the guy since kislev flesh is too saturated for me. I’m thinking maybe rakarth flesh with agrax earthshade. I like how the fur turned out.
>>98816824Those specific drawings are meant to be in bubbles that are maybe an inch across most times. It's okay for those pieces to be quite incomplete since at that size our brains fill the holes. When they pull that kind of shit on larger arts like pic related it's infuriating. Either they didn't get paid well enough or had to short of a deadline, either way the pseudo-impressionism cope for low detail pisses me off.
Apparently the helsmiths army set is £125 which works out to ~$210 and ~€160 in gw conversion. So similar to the helsmith army set in that sense, essentially just a spearhead plus tome tax.
>>98816824They likely do but art like this just looks like theyre on a very tight schedule. Some former GW artists have show cased their art in social media and state in some of the rougher pieces that they were a bit in a hurry.
>>98816867likely victims of the 3 year edition cyclethe decline in art quality directly correlates with increasingly shorter editions and more rapid rollouts of books and supplements.
>>98816063i really think it was planned to be a mounted unit leader for a cavalry squad in development, but when the idea for a whole squad was axed because they didnt want to spend as much dev time, they just separated the rider and mount and made a few minor adjustments
>>98816824Like >>98816852 said these ones will 99% be some sort of blurb in the background the size of an eyeball so the details are secondary to the sense of scale it's trying to evoke.The problem is when they do the unfinished brush strokes in proper art, which I can only assume is due to increasing time crunch or something. Launch aos didn't have any of that and nobody but kevin chin gave even the slightest fuck there, so it must be something else.
>>98816852I have a few issues with that defence>the rest of the image, the bits that it's meant to be showing us a closer look at, are just as lacking in detail to the point that there's a lava flow that's literally just a single stroke of pure colour>even at that size it's blatantly unfinished>it's by no means necessary to skimp on detail like that as evidenced by all the paintings that didn'tand most importantly>physical art has a constant in the form of the paper it was painted on and the tools used to paint it, while digital has wildly different textures and brush stroke sizes slapped together with no attempt to unify them, so it looks like it's been photobashedof course, a lot of it IS photobashed as well, but that's besides the point
>>98816041nah, def not that big. the golems look like they're on 50mm bases. the chorf bull mechs are on 80s and take up the whole thing. looks to me like the golems are roughly ogre sized, while the bull mechs are closer to a dankhold or mirebrute troggoth size model.
>>98816903i've seen plenty of digital art that holds up just as well as any physical art. there are even digital brushes made explicitly to achieve physical medium look that work very well. the issue here isnt digital vs physical. its deadlines. in the 90s and 00s, a single edition would live for half a decade, sometimes codexes would last for 10 years, so the deadlines were nowhere near as tight. in the modern age, whole editions only last 3 years, with 2x the armies, and sometimes it isnt even a full 3 years between an armies previous battletome and its new one since the order of battletome releases changes every edition. slaanesh and lumineth both had multiple battletomes release within the span of like a single year back during the 2e-3e transition.
>>98816912I assumed he meant bull centaurs
>>98816764I’m fuckin the shit out of this thing
This was official art in 1E, Slaanesh was 100% on the chopping block
>>98816985even then the dwarf golems are a fair bit smaller. bull centaurs are pretty big, they're on one of the larger cavalry bases
>>98817021>>98816985the best comparison really is an ogre, they're almost the exact same size and proportions as one.
>>98816890First time a shoop looks more natural with the pose than the actual mini.
>>98817018It's from the booklet in the launch box which features a bunch of weird prototype like Red Slayers and Steamhead Duardin. I'm guessing originally they'd launch with the children of Slaanesh we got and/or DoK would be slaanesh aligned (notable she's entirely absent from the core book aelf god alliance talk iirc)
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>>98815562>125 Poundsouch.
>>98817126Red slayers is pretty funny. As opposed to the blue ones?
>>98817126She's mentioned but just that Malerion found her alongside Shadow Daemons and they both joined Sigmar's alliance. It's Tyrion and Malerion who are exclusively mentioned thereafter and the leaders of the plot to chain Slaanesh and extract the Aelven souls.
>>98816358Reading the paragraph just says it's a another name for a vampire, not some half-vampire, half-human
>>98816358Vampire can fuck but there are no known half vampires in WFB or AoS in WFB however you could get vampires that were a result of multiple bloodlines however. It’s been a minute since I read that book but I think a vampire has to willingly give blood to another vampire outside of the bloodline
>>98816903Brother it’s art to give you vibes when you read the book and so GW can save money on paper and print. It’s not that deep
>>98817018Go to bed grandpa
Any tips for painting this guy using a Greywater Fastness scheme? I'm thinking of yellow on the tabard, not sure about the cape / part on his neck. Maybe like a bluish black?
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>>98816995This looks like it's supposed to appeal to the people who like hazbin hotel
>>98817321>boss baby.jpeg.
>>98817281Is it like VtM where they can’t have babies but the people they turn are considered their ‘children’?
You don’t really see kairics in bundles much nowadays.
Does anyone have or know of a link to the PDF for the 1st Edition Clan Pestilens Battletome?
>>98817727Give me a minute or two and I can upload it for you Anon.
>>98817727 >>98817739 herehttps://litter.catbox.moe/s8nd50gsrkhq8bcn.pdf You have 12 hours before it self-destructs. Enjoy!
>>98817754Why 12 hours?
>>98817768So Litterbox/Catbox are not paying to host something forever?
>>98817727… Individual clans have their own battle tomes? Or it just Pestilens? Either way pretty cool
>>98817739>>98817754Thanks for the PDF, buddy.
>>98817778Only Pestilens had a book, but there were army rules for running a Skyre army also. 1st edition AoS was kinda messy, some battletomes didn't actually have unique army rules, and many armies only had rules published in the Generals Handbooks.Fyreslayers for example, were one of the earliest battletomes, but their army rules were only available via GHB until 2E.
>>98817775Is there something else we can use then? Like gofile?
>>98817849Happy to help, Anon! Enjoy!>>98817970Catbox.moe.
Thinking about grabbing a butcher to proxy for a ogroid theridon. Question is, what would a tzeentch ogor look like?
>>98818017tzeentchs mutations tend to be additional eyes, blue skin, bird beaks and feathers, tentacles, or odd numbers of limbs like 2 arms on one side but one on the other.
>>98816912>>98816985Nah I meant the construct. The golems are like 2 dwarfs tall, the bull is barely any larger. Like 2,5 dwarfs.Unless the perspective in that art is really fucked. Clearly the models are shooped.Your pic makes them look absolutely tiny as another extreme.
>>98818388that pic is the correct scaling. they are actually that different in size. you are vastly underestimating the size of the bull mech or overestimating the size of the new golems
>>98818466I have the bull right next to me, it's really not that big.
>>98818499then we have our answer. idk where you got the idea that these new golems are going to be big boys but they arent
>>98818500Maybe this pic really is just absolutely scuffed but you can't tell me they don't look huge here.
>>98818507they look big next to a dwarf, sure, but put em up against the bull mech and they arent in the same weight class, which is fine, one is a single model unit monster and the other is a 3 man infantry unit.
>>98818560That chorf is too small compared to the bull. Sorry anon but this way of measuring minis is shit.I'll just wait until we have better comparisons or the actual minis.
I don't have a dog in this race but I made this size comparison the other day. Gholems are obviously on 50mm bases according to my base autism(I literally just look at the width/height ratio). This should give you a better idea of the actual size.
>>98818579i lined up my own next to the image (i even overlapped the dwarf bases with 50% opacity to make sure the scaling was exactly the same), and i dont think its wrong. even with their tall hats the chorfs barely come up to just below the bull mechs hip, which is only about 35% of the models height
>>98818623>50mm bases according to my base autism(2 dwarfs seem to fit on there, those are 99% certain to be on 28,5mms so more like 60Bull is on 80 for comparison
>>98816893>Launch aos didn't have any of that and nobody but kevin chin gave even the slightest fuck there, so it must be something else.Reminder
I have stopped playing comp style and just been using Warcry cards and adapting them and having so much more fun
What would be a better gift? The AoS Ultimate Starter Set or the LOTR War of the Rohirrim starter set? I say this because my cousin and her husband have been obsessed with Lord of the Rings since they were kids. To the point that they got married in the actual Shire itself. Has an entire room with all LotR and Hobbit shit.
>>98818800You just answered your own question, LoTR.
>Interested in Khazalite Holds Army Set>Still haven't even finished painting my Ogors from their army set>Closest LGS has AoS but it's 6 people so far and only SpearheadsDo I even bother buying the army set?
>>98818800probably the lord of the rings set
>>98818800Make them hate you, gift them the Ultimate Starter Set and see their disappointment.
>>98818800>or the LOTR War of the Rohirrim starter set?This should be obvious but that box is full of awful anime designs and the second army is a bunch of hobos
>>98818805The army set is just a glorified spearhead.
>>98818800Get them a body pillow
>>98816893Anon, that artist is always producing unfinished work it doesn't matter if it's giant art on army boxes, full page spreads, or tiny pictures Are you a tourists or what? He's THE main artist for 4th edition.
>>98818842>full It absolutely does not. The two heroes on the good side look like this Hill Tribes are film accurate they're just minor and only glimpsed in the extended cut
>>98818800you do know gw also sells proper lotr stuff, right?
>>98818730Based. Somebody put the sovl filter on this one>>98818800Can't you just get some of the actual lotr stuff for them?
vampire ogor
So excited for 5th ed the last world
>>98819045funnier if he were half ogres at least
>>98819045>have a new setting>have the opportunity and mandate to make new undead armies>finally have the chance to tackle a proper version of warhammer werewolves>make them vampires instead
>>98819090I don't mind them combining the two honestly
>>98819090I mean, it fits I guess. Would have been cool if the good guys were the ones with were wolves but I guess thats stealing to much from fbs ulric or whatever. Real shame there arent any armies that really "evolve" per say over the course of the game.
>>98819090Vampires are just werewolves without the extra step
>>98817494Yessir
>>98819115Helsmiths have their desolation gimmickThat's something
>>98819045Even with his tactical rock, he's smaller than the Ogor in the same box.
>>98819141That's a beeg wolf
>>98819090What are Gangral anon
>>98819130I know its just because of the rules but the desolation stuff just feels like an unnecessary handicap than anything else. It also doesnt really make much sense.
Really curious how the new dragon will turn out. Or how the eoe will be handled in general. Will it follow the standard dawnbringers/broken realm format or will we get something like 40ks Armageddon, or maybe something new entirely?Pic unrelated.
>>98819285I still haven't understood what we're expecting other than the orc wyvern and whizzfortis it a chaos dragon or a chaos giant? and aren't they mixing that up with an undead giant? are the undead even getting a giant?
new gits special character kicking off the eoe campaign
>>98819336That's clearly a bloodbowl model anon
>Blood Bowl star player models have a life expectancy of 3 yearsThis bodes ill for future Monday model reveals.
>>98819346It's more about replacing Resin models with plastic ones
>>98819336Thats a really good modle
>>98819319It's a whole mess. The EoE centrepieces are supposed to be cos wizfort (order), claw of gork wyvern (destruction), "undead giant" (death) and chaos dragon for, well, chaos. But then we ALSO have a rumour stating chaos dragon, chaos giant, manticore and chimaera are coming, which we previously assumed was for TOW because of the chaos dragon, but then the leakers stated that AoS is ALSO getting a chaos dragon (after the tow one was already revealed for some time btw) so wait does that mean the chaos gargant and chimaera etc are also for AoS?Tldr who knows
>>98819336I don't get it. Why are the goblins in the metal balls?
>>98819382>AoS is ALSO getting a chaos dragonIt's funny how GW has two teams working discretely in the same studio to develop two near identical iterations of the same model range.
>>98819382I can only hope they find ways to make them interestingly different or that this is a step towards making the range cross over in some kits.
>>98819407He knows what he did.
>>98819414Why is face human looking
>>98819410I can understand different warriors, marauders, etc to *an extent* because rank n flank vs rounds have different priorities etc but for giant fuckoff centrepieces worth an arm and a leg it really seems like a waste to produce two enormous kits. Though in this case I find the tow chaos dragon ugly and it looks like a bitch to transport so I won't complain too much.>>98819414Give him three heads instead of two et voila. Maybe they do the galrauch thing of having the two heads split in the middle? We'll see I guess.I'm always down for more dragons.
>>98819431cos trolls are human looking? somewhat at least
>>98819456>Give him three heads instead of two et voila.Not enough, it either has to be completely mutated and fucked up like galrauch, basically a dragon shaped chaos spawn, or it's got to have some weird gimmick like each part being themed around a god, or it being a non-winged dragon like the karkadrak and whatever abraxia is riding.
>>98819472Giving it options would help
>>98819475>it's got 4 necks and heads>one for each main chaos god>you can glue only one of them>or you can glue all 4 of themthen we squat the current archaon model and release a cooler new archaon on a smaller dorghar that's back to being a horse but this time the gods are represented by the horse's legs, and he's got 8 this time like sleipnir
>>98819487>>98819487>>98819487
>>988194836 legs, 8 horns, 7 tails, 9 eyes.
>>98818800Why the fuck would you give them AoS then? Use your head dude lmao >>98819124Not in most depictions they aren’t
>>98819045>>98819336>>98819346Goddamn these look really cool
