Single Card Discussion EditionPrevious: >>98818058>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Should Mana Drain be a GC?
Asking again because new thread>cast bolt>have a card that says "deals that much damage plus 2 instead">have another card that says "deals that much damage plus 1 instead"So how much damage would bolt do?
>>98825000it's 6
So I can cast Torture Pit for 3R, and it's an enchantment, or how does this Room shit work
>>98825008You cast anyone of the 2 doors, then you can Unlock the other door by paying it's cost
https://moxfield.com/decks/YfqM-bq4u0q-3OfNun1vigThoughts? How can I make it faster/deadlier?
>>98825008you can cast it from your hand by paying for either side, it enters unlocked and active, you can unlock the other side later by paying its cost at sorcery speed
>so for this secret lair it looks like total shitI don't get it
>>98825080actually chud it's called zeta and it's ludokino
>>98825088For me it's Eustace's themehttps://youtu.be/nRNaeSB0SRE
So I'd have to kill Zada in order to copy a spell multiple times?yes I AM planning an absurd burn deck, look forward to it
>>98825100you could shock and lightning bolt zada to do 5 damage to your board... but why?
>>98825104Because say my opponent is a FAGGOT green player with a million mana sluts, and my other opponent has a decent board, and my third opponent is a Selsenya token player, Ideally I can target Zada, copy bolt, and because it says I create copies for each creature the spell could've targeted, I get to create a million billion bolts, but my question is that if to do this, I have to target Zada first, killing him in the process
>>98825110yes but those copies target all YOUR creatures, so it would be a boardwipe for you
>>98825116How do I do this but without hurting myself?
What is the verdict on Elves in Commander?Is something like>Too strong for casual, not strong enough for competitivesound right?How would you feel about someone making an intentionally bad Elf deck so they can play casually? Or maybe playing unmodified Elf precon like Lathril or LOTR-Galadrial precon?
>>98825128elves are a bracket 3 deck
>>98825128Our pod banned it for being anti-trans and anti-cozy chillwave vibesSame reason we play with open information, never attack and everyone wins
>>98825119maybe like this?along with cards that copy instants
>>98825158The forbidden invisible tech
>>98825158forgot pic
>>98825164>>98825158>>98825119or/and this
>>98825164>>98825171zada requires single target spells
Angle shooters are literally not competitive and can't play, but at the same time, why would you ever listen to your opponent, EVER?It's like listening to a coworker or boss, it's just antagonistic noise of no value to you
>>98825183there's a guy at the LGS who turns every game into "let's try to politic the other players into killing" me
>>98825187You have two options, the way I see it>one: be a kind, community focused person and gently but firmly bring it up with them that you feel aggravated and annoyed at the constant targeting while just trying to have fun in a card game>two: build the most obnoxious stax or burn or sacrifice deck ever made and make those faggots regret ever picking up magic
>>98825000What about>cast bolt>have a card that says double all damage you do>have another card that says "deal that much damage plus 2"Does Bolt deal 8 damage or 10?
>>98825174what do you think those are?
>>98825201The opponent chooses the order, so it'd be the lesser one
>>98825203I think those cards have to two targets and thus do not target ONLY zada.
>>98825210Oh yeah? Well I THINK GREEN SUCKS
>>98825210it looks like those cards would work actually if you have zada fight itself
>>98825210my bad, maybe this then
>>98825235arbond probably causes more harm than good here, imodane + zada will do 3 times X damage when you lightning bolt, where X is your creature count
>>98825235>to each player>not each opponent
What's the difference between mana value and CMC?
>>98825313As far as I'm aware mana value is the term that replaced converted mana cost so they're the same thing.
>>98825313Nothing. The former is just updated wording for the latter.
WTF are yellow bordered cards?
>>98825365piss
>play >my deck isn't fast enough>play more>still not fast enough>play more>need more speed>play more>i still need more speedI want a deck so fast that it wins before we start playingA deck of such speed that it goes back in time and retroactively wins games
>>98825384This is the fastest magic card. It's even faster than a leyline!
>>98825388I need cards so fast that they win me games that haven't occurred yet
>EDH was created as a way to relax between rounds of magic>people try to force it into "competitive" EDHDoes no one see the retarded situation of forcing a deliberately casual format into being competitive?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98825554Can you explain this instead of posting it every thread
>>98825519Relax schizoMario Kart Wii has a World Cup ffs
Exactly, same as speedrunning, it's definitely competitive and not a tranny freakshowSame as cEDH
>>98825568Then complain about trannies and try not to cry over why Tetris has a World Championship
>>98825571Tetris the Grandmaster 2 Plus is the greatest game ever made though
I know we hate MaRo because he actually thought Lurrus was fair and balanced, but to be honest, I enjoyed this videohttps://youtu.be/QHHg99hwQGY
Is it better to run multiplicative damage, additive damage, or a mixture?
>>98825000my Lightning Bolt is all wavy and fucked up
Question regarding interaction between https://scryfall.com/card/sos/113/emeritus-of-conflict-lightning-boltand https://scryfall.com/card/hob/59/wizards-staff Google AI claims the following will happen, which sounds reasonable to me. Thoughts? Because the Lightning Bolt copy is an instant, you can cast it at instant speed in response to the second preparation trigger. This creates a massive value loop:1. You cast your 3rd spell of the turn.2. Emeritus of Conflict's ability triggers. Wizard's Staff puts a second copy of the trigger on the stack.3. The first trigger resolves: Emeritus becomes prepared. A Lightning Bolt copy is created in exile.4. Before the second trigger resolves, you hold priority and cast the Lightning Bolt copy from exile.5. Casting the Bolt instantly unprepares Emeritus. (Note: Because you cast a noncreature spell, the Wizard's Staff double-prowess triggers also go on the stack here, giving Emeritus +2/+2).6. The Lightning Bolt copy resolves, dealing 3 damage.7. The second preparation trigger now resolves: Since Emeritus is currently unprepared, it successfully becomes prepared again, placing a second Lightning Bolt copy in exile for you to use later!
This one, single, video from spice8rack is pretty good tbqhwyfhttps://youtu.be/vKfrYwvUwQg
What's the timing for tapping this guy effect, casting, untapping then tapping again etc?
>>98825670Instant speed.
I played the Pokémon TCG and good god does MTG mog the shit out of it. Same as Yugioh. It's all baby shit
>>98825738High tier Pokemon and Yugioh are considerably more advanced and difficult than Magic, on account of the games being esoteric, nonsensical messes which the guys making them barely understand, and they keep making cards that are deliberately intended to break the game only to have those cards overshadowed by a twelve-card death engine that plays out before your opponent's first turn but stalls out thanks to failing to draw one critical card.
https://moxfield.com/decks/oRNOXIdCEE6d7VmWxjSbRAI'm building elda because i realized that making someone else cast a leveler is REALLY funny. What are some other retarded creatures I can run that will accelerate the game to endgame immediately?
>>98825803Toski doesn't work with elda but i like where your head is at
>>98825738In my experience, the experience of attending the LGS, getting chummy with the locals, opening packs, and the actual LGS-event / tournament structure as well is way better with Pokemon.Playing Commander with any sort of tournament structure is complete cancer, this game cannot be played reasonably outside of a casual context. Whereas at Pokemon events playing in a tournament-bracket setting where you bring your best deck and try to win is the norm.I like PokemonTCG a lot more than Magic, but I feel too old to play it at the LGS. I play Commander instead because that is what my similarly aged friends play, (and they are too stubborn to learn other games).(Also Yugioh is better than Magic too, but I am too lazy to write about it)
>>98825813Pokemon wishes it had a 4man FFAAnd 1v1 mtg blows the competition out of the water it's not even a contest
>>98825823That's always something I've been disappointed by, Pokemon doesn't have any "alternative" formats. Mtg has commander, star wars has twin suns, but pokemon only has one game type. There's not even a doubles format.
>>98825823Big agree that the 4-player aspect of Commander is one of it it's greatest strength. 1v1 Magic has a high ceiling for potential excellence, but that potential is often not fully realized. Current state of 1v1 Magic is not great.
>>98825620It isn't what I would call "a massive value loop", but yes, you should be able to squeeze a second lightning bolt out this way.
>We will have an update out in may>oops nevermind we will have an update in october>oops nevermind we will have it done by the end of the year
>>98826007Someone on the panel is stalling so they can buy more prime times before it gets unleashed.
Someone in this thread is making ojer axonil for the first time. >>98825000The player being affected chooses the order of replacement effects, so your opponent choose to either take 3+2+1=6 damage or 3+1+2=6 damage.>>98825201The player being affected chooses the order of replacement effects, so your opponent choose to either take (3×2)+2=8 damage or (3+2)×2=10 damage.For Axonil himself, in case it actually comes up, because the opponent chooses, they can choose to apply max(x, 4) after all multiplications and additions. This is why you really just run only him as your increaser.
>>98826012
>>98826007unban jewlotus and manacrypt already you lazy fucks
>>98825620It works the as >>98825670, you have two triggers that change the state of the creature (tapped/untapped and prepared/unprepared are both states a permanent can be in). At instant speed, you can respond to a trigger changing the state of the creature by changing its state using its ability.Please note that the trigger doubler is not itself a triggered ability.
>TQ: Should Mana Drain be a GC?YesAlsoHermit druid, literally a game changing card. Literally a card I have to fight to keep out of my decks because of how bad it warps them
>>98825183>I don't know the rules and am bad at the game
>>98826072if hermit druid should be a GC then the same should apply to demonic consultation and tainted pact
>>98826083They are not really the same thing, one only wins with labman effects the other opens every single graveyard combo in the game plus labman
>>98826121Consult and tainted pact not directly fueling my breach combo is a fair tradeoff to them working immediately and not needing haste
>>98826121Labman should be a GC too.
>>98826200Literally why? You really can't just remove the labman before they win with it?
>>98824992>TQ: Should Mana Drain be a GC?I'm of two minds on this. While not an auto-include even in brackets 2-3 (there's a lot of scenarios where the 1 mana counterspells are superior, and 2 blue pips is more demanding in 3c+) it's extremely powerful. My personal philosophy reasons this is sufficient to be deserving of the Game Changer list. The problem I see in doing this comes on two separate fronts1. The GC list is woefully incomplete BY DESIGN, the fear of "bloating" the list leaves the limp-wristed milquetoast """content creators""" curating it utterly ineffectual at creating something comprehensive; should you hit Mana Drain, while ignoring similarly powerful ubiquitous cards like Deflecting Swat... Finale of Devastation... it's going to feel more and more arbitrary. Especially when fucking Aura Shards, Farewell, Seedborn Muse, and Opposition Agent are all somehow seen as more deserving.2. Game design. Expanding the game changer list does have an unintended consequence on bracket 3, and in my experience bracket 3 is the "sweet spot" for pub games. From an optimization standpoint the more game changers the list has, the more polarizing deckbuilding becomes. While not always the case the strongest game changers can muscle out the weaker ones.Let's say you're building a B3 deck and looking at the list. The most-powerful among those cards are extreme outliers, meaning cards on the lower end are likely to be eschewed in favor of them. Again: not all the time, not everyone runs 3 GCs and people also don't always put this stuff into consideration. But it is a factor.The real solution would be to ban outliers on the game changer list. Rhystic, One Ring, Ancient Tomb, Cyc Rift, until the GC becomes a much more selected suite of power cards too unpleasant for the precon special ed bracket while being given as limited options for bracket 3. This won't happen, of course. The bracket system is WotC's lazy way of getting out of banning anything ever again.
>wizards doesn't want to have to ban shit, so they won't>Meanwhile they are perfectly fine banning in all their "real" formats.
>>98826319Yeah anon, they love shaking up the other formats
>>98826340>There were no bans today, which means they are done with the concept entirely. You don't need to keep proving you are a retard. We know already.
>>98826319Who are you quoting?
>>98826363Lmao blown the fuck out and mad,
>>98826363>which means they are done with the concept entirelyNobody said this you mong
>>98826375Your mom, she wants to know why you don't call anymore
>>98825128Elves are oversupported but they're fine in any bracket
>>98825568Okay so you should be able to pick up and dominate both the cedh tournament scene and various speed run leaderboards right?
Should i build Vivi or Lightning for b3?
>>98826319>"real" formatsYou misunderstand, anon. Commander IS the only real format to them. It's all they design for. It's what makes them all their money.
>>98825579I'm mad at him because he won't reply to my questions on his stupid blog
>>98826007just 20 more years and they won't laught at us hybridsisters anymore
>>98826791This. Magic died with the first official commander products. We've just been fucking its corpse since.
>>98826695there's no such thing as a b3 vivi
>>98827035I have a guy that plays vivi in our b3 tables... that deck is like 90% cantrips and it's still the #1 threat at all times What a terribly designed card
>>98826695Just play veyran and hard gatekeep that turn 7 limit.
>CHOOSE YOUR BATTLECRUISER!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q_MSMUEhoU
>>98827480Treva and OrosDromar Eldrazi could be fun.
>>98827480Is she technically a battlecruiser, or do you need to be a gay dragon to be a battlecruiser
>>98827480Oros because I have his giant card
>my ideal lifegain commander>will never use it because it's a gay dragon
>>98827505In my opinion she is more worthy than the primeval dragons. The closer you get to 8 mana the more battlecruiser your commander is because it's spiritually closer to elder dragons.
>>98827490>all in foil
Just give us anime titty girls at this point
>>98827620No. We care about the female gaze, the male gaze is toxic.
>>98827620The other one looks really good, though I don't get why presence of the master for tribute. Counterspell for pyroblast only makes sense because hydroblast is already blue pyroblast.
>>98827560Which dragons are straight, for my personal reference?
I assume there does not exist any cards that can send my commander to the graveyard from the command zone?
>>98827710No, you cannot interact with the command zone at all.
>>98827728>No, you cannot interact with the command zone at all.You sure about that?
>>98827726Why did Majora seethe so hard in the first place
>>98827736That's not interacting with it :^)
Interact with THIS *unzips dick*
>>98827742Something about being made to dance to death over three days iirc.
>>98827772You mean pants, right?
>>98827736Your commander will never be in your hand because if your commander would move zones, you can just put him in the commander zone
>>98827678Oxymoron
>>98827620will probably get this one. i play attrition and have several decks i don't have it in that i could put it in. these are probably going to be money cards at some point and i am hoping the bonus card is another junji ito art.
>>98827203Can i see the deck? The variant art looks p good.
>>98827852>If a commander would be put into its owner’s hand or library from anywhere, its owner may put it into the command zone instead.>may put it into the command zone instead.>may
>>98827480Dromar deck replete with color changers/color hosers
>desperately fighting the urge to buy the ghoulcaller gisa preconAnons, give me strength
>>98828323If you have been playing this game for longer than a year you should not be buying precons, hope this helps.
>>98828323it's comfy, the way magic ought to be played
>>98828323Join usPlay unmodified preconsHave fun
>>98827480I'm still building all mine I'm a year in, I'm very close to dumping my list
>>98825100>guys how do I boardwipe in redHow about you stop overthinking it
>They reprint 40k commander deckFuck yes!>None of them are coming to AustraliaFUCK YOU WOTC YOU FUCKING CUNTS!!!
>>98827710Not directly, no. Cheapest combo i can think of is command beacon into one with nothing
>>98828399>AussieFind a store that plays Australian Highlander, thank me later
>>98827678Dragons are fundamentally the gayest fantasy creatures
>>98828420Is that why they all went extinct?
>>98828399Bro come play commander at vault
>>98828434Yes
I am once again asking for that weird website with the fan alternates of UB cards that was posted a while ago
Have you tried the antiub gay club down the block?
>>98828532Second this requestHonestly let's put it in the OP, belongs on there more than the shitposts do
would you play it
>>98828532>>98828559see >>98828534
this general used to go through three threads a day.
>>98828615I saw it and disregarded it, as it deserved.
>>98828630Good timesTurns out only retards (like me) keep posting after it became irrefutable that 4chan is a honey pot (2025).
>>98828383Playing with unmodified precons is based. The bracket system is so cancer I refuse to engage with the deckbuilding process of Commander. I have an assortment of ~15 precons I play regularly at the LGS.I hate the bracket-definition for bracket-3 the most. I view bracket-3 as the "I will misrepresent how strong my deck is so I can pubstomp" format.
>>98828601No, and I made it. Glad you save it though.
>>98828649So you admit the antiub general is a worthless pissbaby shit post that has no reason to exist and should be deleted because you whiny fags just come in here to cry about UB anyways.Good you faggots are starting to admit how gay you are to yourselves, though the rest of us already knew that.
>>98828387based
>>98828532I found something called Universes Restored but it's just one guy on some forum
>>98828678Unrelated, but every time I see this card I think about the guy who posted turtle dick here and it went to archive.
>>98828532It's almost all dogshit but I'll do the work you lazy fucks won't because lord forbid UB haters put in effort.https://ubdb-472061bbf193.herokuapp.com/
>>98828678>>98828534Uh oh, UBrownoid melty.
>>98828703There was probably a Russian offensive happening at the time and jannies were too busy nafo posting on pol to clean it up xD
>if I act like annoying fag and you call me an annoying fag you're having a melty!
>>98828667the bracket system was a mistake and a horrible quickfix to try and stop people from saying "i have a power 7 deck" to misrepresent the powerlevel of their deck, but it hardly did that and only really gave the tools for people to do even more to misrepresent the power level of their decks.realistically, what should have been was to make a split banlist to keep high speed gameplay away from low speed gameplay. before working out the actual kinks of the metas and what can be banned/unbanned, they would have to have a definitive split between the speeds of gameplay. high speed/cedh banlist would basically be what exists now as the banlist, mid/low speed banlist would be the current banlist plus cards that fit the following>fast mana>cheap, reliable tutors>reserved list cardsgetting rid of those three things for a "low speed" format of cedh easily puts a lower floor on what can be considered a good deck, keeps the speed/reliability of the format down without retarded stipulations like "no 2 card infinites" or "i personally don't like stax effects, so they must be on the banlist". after seeing how players develop/respond to the new banlists after that would allow for the format panel to then say "card X and card Y are way too strong/overrepresented in whichever speed of commander is being played, they get banned." they could then also ban cards like vivi from low speed gameplay for being too powerful while still allowing players to make vivi decks and have a space for them.
>>98827678>>98828420>Jace, a straight cis white man, rewrites the universe>makes the dragons sphinxes, and fuckableCurious is it not?
>>98828601>>98828673Kill yourself
>>98828729Brackets are worthless because they're "vibes based". What actually needs to be made are 3+ tiers of gameplay that clearly dictate what deck types can be played in them (eg Tier 1: No Infinite Combos Period) along with an extensive ban list for each one which gets smaller the higher you go. But that would take a lot of work, which wotc won't do, and the fandom is too lazy and dumb and passionless now to ever come up with their own fan made tier/ban lists.
>>98828729I actually really like the brackets, in concept but the fact that there's no dedicated battlecruiser bracket just shows the people in charge are johhny come latelys The staggering show of cowardice that was on display as the RC handed everything they had over to WOTC was the real final nail for this format and any amount of enjoyment left is a limited resourceThats why I play so much these days
>>98828383>play unmodified precons>i'm still being told i'm pubstompingKekYou retards>>98828667>>98828729>>98828747are so naiveAny system can and will be exploited for advantage, how you nentally disabled morons think that a children's card game is exempt from this fact of real lifr is hilarious
>>98828754>Ben Wheeler is on the current RC>hates the format>only on cause he sucks cock and rides the LRR coattails >his only claim to fame is a format where you get to watch him play Tolarian Academy and pretend you played a game of magic
>>98828769Any structure creates incentives sure, but few do as bad of a job as the current brackets
>>98828769>ranked 20 on edhrecFucking why?
>>98828783PreconDraw EngineLandfallslop
>>98828737>Everything gets worseWhat did Jace mean by this?
>>98828737I always hated how modern pkmn cards looked
>>98828747>(eg Tier 1: No Infinite Combos Period)that is too hard to dictate, people might find combos in cards they didn't intend to combo off with, and is not really definitive. the list then also becomes something like "sanguine bond and exquisite blood are not banned cards BUT cannot be played in the same deck together". you start to add way too many arbitrary rules. what about pic rel? there is no reasonable way that you are pulling this combo off, but it can be put in any deck and allows you to mill out every single library at the table. it seems much easier/more reasonable to say "these cards are the cards that allow for the speed and reliability required for hyper fast games with little to no room for interaction unless your opponents are playing equally tuned/fast decks. we ban them in 'low speed' edh so that you can still play your ten mana, 2 card combo, but it is far less reliable and leaves a much bigger window for your opponents to interact with it".>>98828754having split speed banlists would allow for the unbanning of jeweled lotus in high speed edh. a format that has no fast mana or cheap, versatile tutors would mean more space for battlecruiser lists.>>98828769the point is not to have no competition at all in low speed edh, just a way to clearly define what constitutes as "high power" and "mid/low power". removing fast mana, cheap and versatile tutors, and reserved list cards would put "mid/low power" decks in a world where T2-T3 wins are highly inconsistent for most decks, and the decks that DO still overperform (something like vivi would do this) would be able to be banned pretty quickly. it isn't to remove competition or from trying to get people to make the best deck available within the format, just to provide a lower ceiling of power.why do morons like YOU so vehemently oppose a separate banlist if it doesn't affect your cedh games? you aren't a pubstomper who relies on abusing the trust/naivety of other players, are you?
>>98828678why the fuck is this card 10$?
>>98828799>not to have no competition at all in low speed edhWhen people enter cedh tournaments with no intention to win but to kingmake and oneshot people then by god people can and should be able to play sweaty even in the standard format of edh, bracket 2
>>98828799>that is too hard to dictateDon't be a retard
>>98828783For the retards who cant help say their dumb hot takes, worldshaper is a notorious precon that's routinely banned in precon wars
>>98828815Half decent draw engine with a tutor effect in red?
>>98828816yes, people can and should play sweaty at the lower speeds. the point of split banlists would be to put the players into ACTUAL different buckets, instead of people running off-meta cedh/bracket 4 decks and claiming they are bracket 2 because "no game changers!" or something. it isn't that you shouldn't be playing sweaty at a lower speed, it is just that it would be a different kind of sweaty. just like there are sweaty standard decks and sweaty vintage decks, but actual format curation/rules delineations keeps the sweaty vintage decks from absolutely destroying the sweaty standard decks by keeping them at different tables.
>>98828795>why do japanese artists make japanese artIts a special guest slot not the normal, but yeah japanese
>>98828822isn't it Gamble with extra steps?>Gamble is now a $20 cardwhat the fuck? i bought a couple of them for 4$ each back in late 2023. Why the hell is so expensive now?
>>98828827>instead of people running off-meta cedh/bracket 4 decks and claiming they are bracket 2 because "no game changers!" or something.When you put your TO hat on you realize that brakets are all about limiting infinites, alt wins like thoracle, and mldA b3 fnm can and has been run as simply as>no infinites/you win the game effects until turn 7>up to 3 GCs>no mldAnd a b2 fnm can just be>no infinites/you win the game effects until turn 9>no GCs>no mldAnd yes there's a big difference between t7 and t9
>>98828799>guess what>I put kci in my deck>and it went infinite! Woah! Maybe don't put notorious combo pieces in your non-combo deck then...
>>98828840Because people slowly realized a 6/7 to instantly win is pretty good for 1 mana.
bros, I am taking this bad boy into another tourney at my lgs so wish me luck.I will post results later.
>>98828840Do you think bananas are also still .10¢ gramps?
>>98828840You rang?
>>98828851Good luck and threat assess correctly anon
>>98828658Bruh, it's been a honey pot since back when moot ran this bitch. His candy ass in the epstein files.
>>98828821>best preconOkay sure and Prossh had a built in food chain jund precons are great I can see that.In real edh land 4 mana do nothig turn it comes down artifact seems bad
>>98828921The point is even something as seemingly innocuous as 'unmodified precons' is not safe from le ebil pubstomping
>>98828846the point is that the combo listed is a 5 card infinite, to say that it isn't allowed in lower brackets because "no infinites" is retarded. yes, it is a notorious combo piece. so is salvaging station. the point is that "no infinites" is a weird restriction when you could actually just ban the problem cards that let players consistently pull off and protect their infinites. sanguine bond+exquisite blood is a 10 mana combo that needs another source of life gain or loss to start the combo going. if you get rid of fast mana and reliable tutors, the likelihood of that player pulling off their combo without someone naturalizing it is very low. and if they do get it off? good for them, they will probably only do it once in a blue moon.brackets are a mistake and we should just have actual separate banlists to delineate the different speeds/power levels.>>98828841how do you limit infinites, though? would a marwyn deck not be legal because it plays wirewood symbiote and temur sabertooth? do you allow the other players judge calls to restrict the marwyn player? how many loops are allowed, and which action gets restricted?
>>98828950You can do one (1) activation of your combo because doing it a second time proves you've established an infinite loopAnd no, banning marwyn because of the composition of the deck is stupidAgain, brackets is all about *when* you do your combo and nobody sane should care *what* your combo is and *how likely* it is (good luck calculating that) what matters is *when* you pop off
>>98828851got a list?
>>98828950>good for them, they will probably only do it once in a blue moon>once in a blue moonI love how people downplay combos as 'unlikely' when sol ring only has 8% chance to appear in your opener and retards already whine about that
>>98827480Dark Samu-- err, I meant Thraximundar!
>>98828950Sorry gotta cut one of the cards play in this bracketYou act like this wasn't a widely enforced ideal for over a decade
>put 2 sol rings in each of my decks to double the chance I draw it>no one has ever noticed
>>98829020Jokes on you i put 3 sol rings in mine and i draw an extra card when nobody's looking
I'll tell people I cast counter spell or removal and just put a random card from my hand into the graveyard and bury it so they can't tell what I cast. I don't even have interaction in my decks. Nobody checks.
>>98829021Overstatted to hell for 60-card. Indestructible should be tracked with a counter.
>>98825128I think they're boring to go against, win or lose
>>98827806Non-canon
>>98829102What do you mean?
>>98828780A few problems:1) Mirror Shield is already a card2) Your legendary should have the appropriate name plate 3) There shouldn't be a colon after Equip. The 3 symbol is part of the cost, not the effect. It shouldn't come after "has" either.4) Overpowered. Changing targets of any ability or any effect on repeat like this is way too strong. The permanent you're protecting doesn't even have to be the one using it. Needs more conditionals, needs a higher cost.
>>98829138The mangas aren't canon.They're supplemental promotional material, but they aren't actually canon to the story.
>>98829141I think having it be a Spellskite-like would work. "Change target of spell or ability to Mirror Shield" Granted I havent played Majoras Mask so idk if thats what It actually does
>>98829020I run one but sleight of hand it into my starting hand every gamme.
Is there a point to mana rocks in mono?
>>98828630/tg/ has been dying for a while now.>>98828658>honey potI thought everyone knew this already lmao, what are they going to do come lock me up for having right wing opinions like there are only two genders? I don't even hate trannies that much, it's the woke liberal propaganja that's doing it. Trannies are actually the biggest victims of their vicious and cruel ideology.
I'm toying with the idea of retooling my goblin deck, or just flat out making another one as boros. Should Folk hero be the commander, or should inspiring leader be the commander?>>98829172Depends on the rock. Sol ring, yes, arcane signet? Probably not. Thought Vessel if you're going to be drawing a lot, also probably yes. Moxs, big mana rocks if you have high spell costs also probably.
>>98829160The problem is that spellskite is already a an extremely powerful card on its own, and you can generally take it for granted that if it's at least high damage or a kill spell, that will at least take out the spellskite so that you can't reuse it.Mirror Shield as a non-creature won't take damage and will only be removed by either general permanent or artifact specific destruction. Meaning it survives and is reusuable in a lot more circumstances. And that's even with buffing your creature(s).>Granted I havent played Majoras Mask so idk if thats what It actually doesIn Majora's Mask, it just reflects light.In Ocarina of Time, it reflects elemental attacks.Mirror Shield in MTG as a baseline is probably closer in flavor to what it actually does in game, granted its still probably weaker than what you're aiming for.
>>98828630>>98828658Yeah but it was retarded shitflinging.I'd post more but the ip range bans are a bitch
>>98829181for the love of god kill yourself
>go on edhrec>ui looks like shit all of a sudden>see pic relatedMan on top of that our work iPads updated this week and the new UI literally makes my job harderWhat the fuck happened to people's eyes in the last 5 years and why does everything look like ASSS?!
>>98829243WTF IS THIS SHIT
>>98829243Shit doesn't even tell you what series its from unlike ff
I can fix her.
>>98829260You're free to try, but dick can't fix crazy, it only makes crazy worse
>>98829174The Matrix is a system, anon.That system is our enemy.But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see?Trannies, furries, faggots, wahmen.The very minds of the people we are trying to save.But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy.You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
>>98829181That folk hero is hilarious
>>98829260>needing to fix herThat's where you fail anon
>>98829141Thank you very much.
>>98827480I've been inspired
>>98829267Yeah, seemed like a fun thing to try
>>98826021No, the controller of the affected object decides what order the replacement effects go in. Damage sources are being controlled by the one casting them, not the player who received damage.
>>98829272Looks good.Last bit of advice, the phrase after "has" should also be in quotes.
>>98829181Those tits would inspire me too
>>98829174>/tg/4chan in general. Every board has lost popularity because a specific board made every board unusable.
>>98829260She sucks as a commander.
>>98829404>unironically seething about /mu/
>sit down at table waiting for some friends>guy comes by, sits down, and decides he will be playing with me despite not even asking>have to leave for another table for some reasonThis isn't the first time I have seen someone do this. Is it autism?
>>98829420He's clearly talking about /V/, the epicenter of the attention seeking/ritual posting meta
>>98829424>Can't just tell him your waiting got the rest of your popHe might be autistic, but so are you.
>>98829442Not worth having a confrontation with. They're a shop regular who is fairly popular.
>>98829443Politely telling someone you're just waiting isn't a confrontation. You really are autistic.
>>98829404/hm/ here. Sorry our God given good looks cause so much seething for you.
Surely the Mystery Booster Commander Edition set will have the 5 free Ikoria spells, right?
>>98829553No, those are in the next Marvel secret lair.
I can't wait for the K-Pop Demon Hunters set to become the best selling of all time and Hasbro finally fires all the wokeys and makes every set thereafter goonerbait.
>>98829581>Kpop demon hunters is for goonersIt's for women.
>>98829587And by women you mean 12 year old girls
4stats.io
>>98829587Something can simultaneously appeal to both women and men for different reasons autistanon. In fact that's how most successful media operate.
>>98829597I mean whatever helps you feel like a winner tonight.
>>98829597>>98829581I'm baffled how they didn't get a legend how hard was it to reskin trostani or sen triplets
>>98829616More drops are coming. They probably negotiated this quickly and avoided legends so they wouldn't be restrained for future drops.
How does this look, is there anything I should add or take out that you suggest? https://archidekt.com/decks/27415661/discard
>>98829616>how hard was it to reskin trostani or sen tripletsWe're talking about a dev team that admits it takes them 3 years to design a set. MaRo and co are a bunch of out of touch lazyass boomers that have no idea what's popular among nerds and normies. There was a lot of outcry in non-Chud magic forums/social media though about how there were no legends for the trio, not even nickname cards, so it is possible Hasbro will make the retards rush out a set for it as early as next year since a lot of the fandom were calling them idiots for not releasing an actual KPDH product when there's obviously massive demand for it.
>>98829633Needs wheels and unblockable effects.
>>98829553I doubt it, since wotc has a weird habit of never reprinting game changers
>>98826021>The player being affected chooses the order of replacement effects, so your opponent choose to either take (3×2)+2=8 damage or (3+2)×2=10 damage.Why would you go on the internet and lie like that?
>>98829581>lair didn't even sell out right away
>>98828851Reporting from 8 player tournamentPod 1 (against improved monoblack Gisa starter deck?, Miku GW tokens and UB Mirko)I just started to let people do their shit while I was trying to draw my engines for card advantage and target their permanents if needed. GW tokens started shitting some soldiers and centaurs tokens while I was protecting myself from the zombies. After setting my creatures and using political tools like Mangara and Firemane commando, i quickly filled my hand with answers. The UB dude got his mana rocks destroyed and in his desperation, he used crux of fate to reset the board. Fortunately I had duty beyond death to save my stuff. I went for the mirkofag while the selesnia dude finished the monoblack. Eowyn managed to exile her ghalta & mavren and game my legendaries protection from green and white to go on his face.
>>98828783Because landfall players love 20 minutes for their turns.I'm not even kidding, every faggot I've seen play that has brought the game to a screeching halt just to math out how much mana they have, only to never use it all because they have too much of it.
>>98829616We just got Trostani Miku.
dear wotc:please continue printing uw cute girlsyou can give them non-human sclera and leaves for hair, sure, but please make sure they have pretty faces. this is important. you can still print uggos and hags if you must, but print more like this, too. this is for your own good.
>>98828223>mayHow does rule when it's October?
>>98829341>>98829704The affected player of damage is the one taking it, so they get to choose. it might not be intuitive, but it's the rules
>>98829726>fighting landfall deckThat's cool, do you take 8 damage per land bro?
>>98829724Pod 2 (vs Cloud Naya equipments?, Yshtola Esper control and GW Miku) - Part 1At this point i knew the powerlevel went out of hand and I was probably fucked but I was not going to quit at this point.I kept a hand with 3 lands but then I started drawing lands for 4 straight turns and no protection spells. I dropped my commander on turn 3 but the Yshtola guy used some 3cmc BW instant that exiled my rokiric. The GW token I played against was keeping the naya guy at bay while I was getting overwhelmed by the control guy who kept killing my creatures and taxing me with a ghostly prison.At some point the GW player noticed Ysthola was draining too much life from all of us and decided to leave the naya dude alone and started attacking her, but an evacuation to return all the creatures and tokens into their owner's hands. In response to her evacuation I used Generous gift on his ghostly prison. On my turn I managed to land a four knocks to get an extra card each turn and finally assemble my army but after too much drain and attacks from the gw player, I had only 10 life points left and almost zero hope.
HOT TAKE:I think they should allow any permanent that transforms into a legal commander to be legal as commander. All of the ones I've looked at aren't broken in any fashion and you have to jump through a million hoops anyway to flip it. The only problem would be really if you only play the front side for value to never flip which is sort of lame but you can already play a Vehicle and never crew it so the same argument stands for those anyway. And I think this one makes more sense than the vehicle rule anyway
>>98829956nice here's my commander
>>98829969Not a creature
>>98829976it is on the back
>>98829944Pod 2 (vs Cloud Naya equipments?, Yshtola Esper control and GW Miku) - Part 2At this point knew I was screwed, but at least I wanted to take out the controlfag with me. After a couple of turns, I only had Rokiric, a 2/2 disguised creature, a 1/1 soldier and a 4/4 golem. The esper dude knowing everyone was going after him, used supreme verdict to clean the board but this time I had once again duty beyond death to buff my creature and save them. With 25 life points and only 3 creatures on the field, the esper guy was tapped but confident he would survive a cycle since a 4/2 rokiric, a 3/3 face down creature and a 5/5 golem token was not enough to kill him. >"I declare these 3 creatures as attackers, anything?">"I am good, so you hit me for 12 damage, right?">"I am not done. I pay for the disguise cost to face up this creature">"what does this card do?">"give double strike on my turn to my historic permanents. Rokiric and Bayek are legendary creatures and my Golem is an artifact, so he gets double strike as well"esper guy went silent for a few seconds>"judge... there is an issue here"store assistant had to explain he was receiving 26 dmg in the face, getting eliminated.I played a hero of precinct one and passed but the naya guy used blasphemous act and killed all my hopes of stabilize and died to the token guy a few turns later.So i ended 3rd place from 8 players and got some store credit and made a control player butthurt. Once again, Bayek, a card nobody gives a fuck about gave me this small victory.I am planning on buying an Elspeth, Storm slayer that is on sale at my lgs which would be a great addition to my deck (only buyable with store credit, kek).
>>98829985But you didn't post the creature half
This is literally AI slop right?
>>98830003It's a reference to the first counterspell guy
>>98829991why did he call a judge?
>>98829181I like the outfit you're giving her, but I think the Inspiring Leader could do without the guys behind her. Maybe make them other goblin girls considering how much the rest of the cards are goblin girls too.
>>98829413Shame. Making a big zombie army with her sounds cool.
>>98829706It was fucking terrible.
>>98829616>reskinI hope they stop fucking doing this. If they're going to do more made to order for a day or more then there's no reason not to do unique effects again.
ban all unique cards not in boosters
thoughts on this playgroup, would you shuffle up with us?
>>98830003Yes but LARPers will insist it's the best thing ever, which is WotC's target audience every time they reprint something in the old frame.
>>98830269seems pretty tame for the most part. player 5 seems incredibly gay.
>>98830269I would play with player 6. Ib Halfheart is cool.
>>98828783It's good.
>>98830269Power of these commanders is all over the place. 2, 5, and 7 have not had an original thought in their life. 1 and 4 failed at life. 8 thinks he's way smarter than he really is.
>>98830003Mark Poole has been using AI since Alpha. You finally gottem
>>98830511You stupid fucking nigger. You retard. You nincompoop. The picture looks like AI SLOP. They paid him to put his name on it. Look at the wacky eyes. You stupid FAGGOT YOU FAGGOT FUCK!!!
Does this design work as a sort of Sunburst build-around/payoff?
>>98829344Done. I also had to remove the hiphen from nonblack. Thanks again for helping me clean these up. Here's the equips (so far). Slight adjustment to Link's wording. Works like other copy cards now making the ruling headaches at least established headaches.
