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>>98836765I like Dietlef and his wife Genevieve because I can play them as posh bohemian dweebs who immortalize the players in prose. I also give Genevieve huge pale breasts and Dietlef likes to watch from the balcony. Yes, my games have ERP and yes it’s with Discord trannies.
>>98836765>TQI don’t really care about Warhammer characters and the Marvel-tier dramas around them. Just like my little dudes and the broad strokes that make them special.
Back to playing HE this weekList time:High fucking elvesArchmage - L3 Elementalism, Lore Familiar, Sea Guard, Lothern Skycutter -295Noble - Reaver Bow, Barded Horse, Lance, Full Plate, Shield, Pure of Heart- 14020x Sea Guard - Full Command6x Silver Helms - High Helm, Ring of Fury8x Sisters of Averlorn - High Sister, Ruby Ring of Ruin1099/1100Archmage probably taking Elemental Spirit, Wind blast and something else. Just wants to fly around and annoy people. Noble wants to snipe annoying shit and get flank/ cleanup charges or seize objectives with the high helms depending on mission.Had a chracian take on it but idk if I could design/print/assemble the components in time since I wanted to do some 3d modeling for the chariots.
>>98836833No comment on your list but one big thing I’ve noticed lately about TOW is how 2k+ has the same core units as most 750+ point armies, and all that gets added are a shit ton of heroes and monsters/warmachines.
>>98836833Forgot a Lothern Skycutter in the list because I'm a dumbass and can't copy paste.>>98836840True,Unfortunately HE lists are DRAGON, DRAGON, support for dragon, support for dragon, mandatory core.This means that below 1500ish you've got a lot of mediocrity to wrangle into a coherent form.
Warhammer Pirates are the best
>>98836863>le heckin cool reddit pirate stoutie Gaaaaaaye.
More Orc fluff of an Orc mob unit champion.
>>98836765Why didn't they send Yin-Yin?
What fucking colors do they use to highlight the tomb cunt shields? I've been trying to get this effect for over two years and everything looks great until I get to the highlights and end up with a chalky mess.If anyone has a base, glaze, chunky + edge highlight recipe I may not hang myself tonight.
>>98837009IDK but personally I think they look better with bronze trim than gold, considering it's supposed to be Bronze age Egypt it fits too
>>98837009I don't know the exact colors they're using obviously but I do mine by basecoating with AK archaic turquoise and edge highlighting with AK blue green and baharroth blue. I think it looks fairly close, if you want to do a darker gradient you can glaze something like stegadon scale green towards the shadows
>>98836982Because yin-yin isn't reliableBecause yuan bo wanted to get rid of miao ying for the time being so that he could solidify his control over cathay as the emperor is missing, since she's the only other significant voice of authority Because defence from chaos invasions is miao ying's task, and the movements of chaos in the west are merely an extension of efforts to get around and through the northBecause miao ying is designed as the faction's postergirl and has to be the one involved in TOW since she has to be the one to get a model
>>98837047NTA but a lot of Bronze Age cultures covered everything in gold leaf, Tutankhamun's chariots were adorned in it for instance. Bronze can also look quite close to gold if it is polished and with low tin/lead or arsenic content.
>>98836833This is what I'm using for a 600 point battle march tournament I'll be playing soonHigh Elf Realms [596 pts]++ Characters [86 pts] ++Noble [86 pts] - Hand weapon- Sword of Hoeth- Full plate armor- General- On foot- Guardian of Saphery++ Basic units [277 pts] ++15 Lothern sea guard [182 pts] - Hand weapons- Long spears- War bows- Light armor- Shields- Full CG10 Elven spearmen[95 pts] - Hand weapon- Long spears- Light armor- Shields- Full CG++ Special units [233 pts] ++10 Swordmasters of Hoeth [158 pts] - Sword of Hoeth- Heavy armor- Full CG1 Tiranoc chariots [75 pts] - Cavalry spear- Long bow
Finished these guys just in time for the new one to go into preorder, lol.
>>98837124Also, I'd like to say that this kit was extremely boring to paint and the skeleton horse is without a doubt the worst model I had the displeasure of working on.At least the unit looks nice when put together at least, I guess.
>>98837124Kino
>>98837124the new ones suck dick so it's all good
>>98837194I can already tell the new ones are gonna be much better.
>>98837124If you have the old models already finished I genuinely don’t see a point in getting the new ones. Aside from archers the models aren’t really useful in the table anyways, same for chariots.
>>98837067I have all of your photos from saved from previous threads.I use AK too. Archaic Turquoise as a base, glazing Ocean Blue + Rhinox Hide into the shadows. Another good base is AK Turquoise + Aquatic Turquoise (1:1). For the chunky highlight I use Archaic Turquoise with a tiny bit of Pale Yellow + Deep Sky Blue (1:1). That all looks incredible, the problem is the edge highlight. As soon as I try to lighten the highlight color it starts looking ridiculous. I've tried every combination of tans, greys, blues, greens, everything. I can't get the crisp sandy or blue-white edge highlights that you see on the GW models.
>>98837227I played 8th edition Tomb Kings, I don't care if something isn't as good as it could be.
>>98837121Not personally sold on Tiranoc Chariots. The lack of Ap-2 on the impact hits significantly impedes its utility and it isn't durable enough or equipped with dangerous melee attacks to make up for that issue. Beastmen get a heavy chariot where the mounts also get ap2, has rerolls to 1 to hit, potentially frenzy, 4+ armor, and full reroll to charges for 10pts more.Basic dudes get a 5+ or 4+ against a tiranoc and either a 6+ or no save against that. It's night and day for 10pts.
>>98837258It's mainly a unit I want to use to charge enemy flanks, I've never used chariots. It's also the only thing that fits at that points level
>>98837227I agree, it's all or nothing with the new models which is why I sold my old TK army in anticipation. If you have the old models they are great as an army just don't mix in the new ones.
>>98837273>sold the old ones This is on par as mutilating your genitals tbqh but you don’t
>>98837271 you're overboard on core, spent points on full command for all your units, and didn't us any of your rare points in the relatively contested rare slot.
>>98837291What would you take out? My previous list had a skycutter and a cheap mage instead of the spearmen and the chariot
I sincerely want a boarding action swashbuckling TOW supplement so bad! GW would make so much money selling overpriced warships for each faction
>>98837250Maybe try keeping it simple and just add white to archaic turquoise? Turquoise brightens surprisingly nicely with just white.I'm super happy you liked my skellies enough to save the images
>>98837124These look better than the new ones. Classic.
>>98837250My brothers in Sigmar why do even the fucking chariot horses have saddle blankets?
>>98837312I've tried every shade of white and it always ends up looking like I highlighted with toothpaste.Send me a skelly. I'll glaze it and post a drippy tribute for you.
>>98837310I keep thinking Age of smegma should have some kind of sea/sky mode with all the levitating units. Like a map that's a bunch of mountains and the giants are walking towards a dwarf skyport and the sky dwarfs have to defend it. Lots of lost opportunities with that game.
>>98837310GW would probably need to make baggage cart models first
>>98837310>large enough ships to have warhammer warbands or regiments on them>enough different ships for multiple, if not all, factionsyou gotta do those yourself, no way in hell gw would ever do something like that unless they're just flat cardboard cutouts, but you can also do those yourselfthe system also basically requires a whole parallel skirmish ruleset and games design direction to not turn the engagements into just a pointless messif I were to write one I'd try to force into the rules duel mechanics with highly dynamic hijinks, free for all fights, rules for stealing and carrying loot, and for corrupting the opponents' sailors with bribesit just can't be done, man, you'd have to give me something like 3 months!
>>98836781>since they were jewish enough to remove points per model so they can kill the practice of converting normal models into heroes or the second hand market of incomplete units.What is this PPM business?Also mo matter what, whatever dwarfs Gw rleleases will probably be fucking huge and will look like giants compared to people's current collection.
>>98837273>If you have the old models they are great as an army just don't mix in the new ones.Why??Never understood this mentality. It's not even a new thing, people were doing it even 20 years ago.People would abandon their old models for the new ones instead of integrating them together into a truly personalized collection/army. Some people really only do hoby within GW's imposed limits.A cohesive paint and basing will have most miniatures coexist happily together regardless of era, manufacturer and sculptors. Even in the same unit, nevermind the same army.
>>98837553in aos and 40k you don't have a point cost for individual models, instead you have point costs for the whole unit, so that you only take them in multiples of the number found in a box, say, 10 or 20, no in-between, not anything more, not anything less.The result of this is that, for example, you can't just grab 2 units of 10 warriors, build 16 as warriors, and the other 4 as characters, or you'll have to play those 16 warriors on the table as if you were paying the points for 20 anyway, because people are retarded and can't do gentlemen agreements on simple points re-evaluations.This sounds like an extremely small problem, but people are really so sheepish and have been conditioned to never convert their shit, the used market for understrength models is basically dead, and to keep going with the chaos warriors example, if you suggest taking TOW chaos warriors or knights you'll be met by dead stares because those come in multiples of 4s instead of 5s, so the units will always be understrength in that system.This incompatibility between chaos warriors is likely intentional rather than accidental, and it's likely that if tow gets renewed dwarfs they might just come in boxes of 16 instead of 32 just to fuck with anyone who might want to take those to use as proxies for the uglier aos dwarfs.
Is there a Skaven clan specializing in jezzails/marksmanship? Like how Vrrtkn have the globadier gimmick and Ektrik like warp-lightning cannons?
>>98837607Skryre. C'mon, man.
>>98837613That's not their specialty. They do lots of things besides jezzails. I mean having jezzails as a subfocus. Like if I asked if there was a clan that specialized in warp-lightning cannons, the answer would be, as noted, Ektrik, not Skryre. Skryre don't have that as their primary focus/gimmick the way Ektrik do.
>>98837624Skyre literally invented the Jezzail.
>>98837660They also literally invented the warp-lightning cannon.
>>98837662desu I think you're just being obtuse at this point. Jezzail teams are most closely associated with Skyre. Question asked and answered.
>>98837340Please find something to complain about that is an actual issue.
eternally mad that cathay wont have chariots despite that being like, THE THING FOR China. Instead we get some dumb ass dragons and stupid stone giants and balloons
>>98837677I'll do what I want, faggot.
>>98837686Thank your local sensitivity team.
>>98837688And make an almighty fool or yourself in the process.
>>98837686Cathay is more based on Tang and Ming era China, at least in terms of the army, and those dynasties didn't really use Chariots
>>98837607Make your own marksmanship specialized clan
>>98837769Why should he? It's Skryre. I don't understand why you are all being so obtuse about this shit.
>>98837686>THE THING FOR Chinais it?
>>98837677Doesn't look as good as old chariots.
>>98837771Why wouldn’t you want to do /your dudes/?
>>98837796A quote by the criminally insane
>>98837933I guess you need a soul to appreciate SOVL. A rarity amongst nuhammer players
>>98837933It's just a matter of taste. The old range has something special that made me like Tomb Kings at all. The new stuff doesn't capture the imagination in the same way. Maybe because nothing is left to the imagination.
>>98837960Chariots with riders whose legs are so wide they don't fit isn't soul.>>98837970You're just older. Everything is less magical
>>98837987Not true. I can still get the same magical feeling from certain things. None of them are nuGW CADslop.
>>98837597That's... something. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened earlier.
>>98837597>boxes of 16 instead of 32 meant to say instead of 20
>>98838267No it’s usually in odd numbers now, like HH terms are in six when they were in 10 And chaos warriors are like 16 instead of 20 And >8 chaos knights Instead of 10 Fuck the new chaos warriors but fuck the new knights especially
>>98838273>Fuck the new chaos warriors but fuck the new knights especiallySadly people ate the new garbage up, so expect every army to get the same treatment in the future.
>>98836765>TQ Mikael Jacsen>Why?Flame skeletman
>>98838296Ah yes, the great Panzer IIIs of the Empire of Man.
I want to play pic related at our group's next meeting. How do i convince everyone to give it a try? I have played it before and loved it, but if you wanted to convince a friend, how would you sell it?
>>98837987No it's not an age thing, I started in 4th Ed and think the new TK are brilliant, he's just a massive, gaping, raging faggot with taste so shit he could be an Indian street.
You guys need to stop engaging with trolls.There is nobody who in good faith argues that old skeletons and chariots looked better.
Anyone who likes [Former Thing] is an enemy of [New Thing] and a Troll. The Hivemind has spoken.
Anyone who likes [New Thing] is an enemy of [Former Thing] and a Troll. The Hivemind has spoken.
>>98838963>>98838974>>98838988The state of discourse in 2026
I prefer the old TK skeletons, horses, chariots. The old line as a whole. I also prefer the prior chaos warriors and knights. People are entitled to their opinion, but might want to tone down the tribalistic nonsense, starting to feel like /v/ in the Wii/360/PS3 console warring era on here.
>>98838988The digits have spoken.
I wonder how many points these two will be once they'll get their models and stats.
>>98838988I too think Age of Sigmar is great and should be respected!
>>98839054Okay, but do you even own any of them?
How WAAAGH-y are the fantasy Orcs compared to 40K Orks?
>>98837364A WD issue from a while back had rules for an aerial warfare mode of play. More like a simple minigame than an actual expansion, but it's something. They've done a few things like that in WD in the past year, like a minigame for chariot races.I'd like a proper specialist game about ship battles, though. GW isn't really doing anything right now to scratch that itch.
>>98839126I own a massive collection of 8e Chaos Warriors, Knights, Manticores, some resin stuff and a recast resin dragon.
>>98837352>with toothpasteIt shouldEspecially the tops of the skulls/bones exposed to the sun.It was reported of the skeletons of the egyptians and persians who died when the armies of Xsaca (the achaemenid empire) invaded Kemet (the late egyptian empire, I wanna the 26th dynasty?) oh I just checked google I'm right it is the 26th damn I'm good. Anyway the tops of the skulls and skeletons exposed to the desert sun are bleached white. However the persian skulls were frail, brittle and darker as the persians wore caps to protect their skulls while the egyptians were just freeballing in the desert sunlight.So perhaps socially, the tops of the average skeleton warrior should be bleached/their bones bleached, while the royalty who are inside more should have darker bones.At least this is my theory of bones for the tomb kings.
>>98839145Understandable. I own a massive collection of Tomb Kings miniatures and I prefer the new models to the old ones.
>>98836765I wonder if there are any plans for what to add to the Tomb Kings range once there's nothing left to refresh. I mean they're a pretty complete package.
>>98839156KHEMRICTITAN
>>98839148>>98839156
>>98839131more grots than 40k, though we call them goblins
>>98839171I suppose I'm in the minority but I'm not a fan of TK constructs. Not because of fluff or crunch, I just aesthetically prefer to see a proper army of skeletons and mummies.
>>98839185Yeah. I didn't like that in 8th or whenever. 6th is still the aesthetic and rules peak of Fantasy.
>>98839156I think they might give us additional build options for Ushabti and Bone Giant once they get remade in plastic. Also, don't forget we're missing the Hierotitan
>>98837933it's appropriate that for a faction based in Egypt all these players are in denial. They literally went out and bought $200 of 30 year old models anon go easy on them.
>>98839156Vassals of Numas
>>98837227>Aside from archers the models aren’t really useful in the table anyways, same for chariots.So what's the point of the faction when you can't even blanket the table in reanimated skeletons of all kinds?
>>98839125I mean if you're camp [former thing] you should be happy about AoS, they saved whfb from 9 extra years of [new thing]
>>98839131They don't have guns or bikes or wacky cosplayers like their futuristic counterparts, and also the existence of goblins as actually fleshed out subcultures means that the more cartoony elements get given to them instead of orcs, so orcs are left feeling way more restrained and serious, if not boring, by comparison.Otherwise they're the same exact thing.
Just found this meme in my folder I love it.>>98839563Very true. Whenever someone goes "OLD BAD NEW GOOD" I just suggest they go play AoS because it's more their speed.
>>98839566technically you could do a lot to make them feel more parallel >bikes and vehiclessteeds, chariots and monsters >robots and walkersrogue idols and living spells >beast snaggassavage orcs and even more prehistoric beasts >high tech dakka and choppasscavenged guns and magical weapons >bad moons and freebootersorcs dressing rich and as pirates >kommandos and blood axesorcs dressing as landkenechts>robot prostheticscrude prosthetics >goth orksgothic orcsit's just that gw sticks to the normal orc archetype instead of having fun with them like they had with ogre maneaters
>>98839571Can we stop with the revisionist history about Tomb Kings skeletons ever looking good? They were old and outdated back in 2006, we're 20 years later and you should being in denial already.
>>98839629I was a pretty prolific poster on the main TK forum back in 8E and the shitty core models was often cited as a major deterrent for players. It was basically that and Cruddace.
>>98839156They gave them a dragon, and that's either because they're making a lot of dragons in general at gw or as reference to the ones in warmaster.So they'll probably stay self referential and just dig up old stuff, like the concept of the hierotitan which began as a popular conversion and soft-official rules in 6th edition.It would give them a way to keep a refreshed bone giant in the classic size category (and hopefully with the expanded options of bow and shield and great weapon), while also giving them a megagargant/cathay sentinel sized construct
>>98839629>>98839667I'm sure there are some people that find the old sculpts charming and nostalgic but I'm pretty sure most faggots here are just doing the oldgoodnewbad larp. Same shit with HE spearmen and archers
>>98839667what did Cruddace do wrong? I'd say that the TK sucking in 8th edition said more about 8th edition being awful than it did about his army book which was pretty good, I've even known people playing it in 6th ed.
>>98839688There was codex creep, an 8th edition book fitting amongst 6th ed rules isn't a good symptom.It was pillow fisted and essentially went on only by abusing the new monstrous cavalry unit type and the spam of the ugliest parts of the range.Not even the new monsters were good, and how much of a joke the armybook was became evident to everyone the moment the vampire counts got theirs.
>>98839688>I'd say that the TK sucking in 8th edition said more about 8th edition being awfulThat seems like backward logic.
>>98839688In no particular order;> Completely fucking up their magic system6E TK magic was absolutely iconic and completely integral to their entire army, so naturally the whole system was removed. Not only did they lose their identity, but they were saddled with the *mandatory* Lore of Nehekhara that was just shit in comparison to Light/Death, to the point where running 2x Level 4 wizards was common.> Fucking up the Undead rulesThis was mostly in comparison to the later VC book, but TK could never march, couldn't stand & shoot and their healing was gimped. 8E also massively increased the amount of combat resolution being thrown around without changing how Undead crumble works, so tarpit infantry became a massive liability.> Horrendous internal balanceCompare the NecroKnights against Ushabti or Tomb Scorpions as an example. It didn't help that a lot of the must-haves were completely new kits so existing players had to expand their army to keep up.> Several glaring weaknessesThe army is completely held up by a single wizard, lets keep him ali- Oh no, Purple Sun.All our armour-piercing is tied to Killing Blo- Oh no, Monstrous Cavalry spam.Animated Constructs not being able to support friendly units without fear of exploding to combat rez. Your Hierophant having no purpose beyond IF bubble Smite and hoping he survives the Miscast. Having the worst BSB in the game. It Came From Below being a massive liability.Apart from adding new units it was a straight downgrade for fun and theme, the dude just did not get the army at all.
>>98839710I'd argue that its backwards logic to claim the core rules of 8th edition sucks because of one faction's rules, but there you go. >>98839704>codex creepso a book that didn't follow the creep was the problem? It was also the first book in 8th edition and was far more conservative than later books, if they stayed in line with it then it would've been fine. Also as the first book it was before the edition had been tested and it clearly was a victim of their design expectations going into 8th which turned out to be totally wrong, like monsters being good due to the thunderstomp addition when in reality they were overcosted and beaten by infantry.>abusing the monstrous cavalry unit typeagain that was because of 8th edition encouraging it as 'new thing' and they were never OP units. >spam ugliest parts of the rangeyes believe it or not the 8th edition writers didn't think they'd made infantry OP, they thought they were merely letting it catch up after it had become so shit in 7th. This is why community feedback is more often than not worthless, blame is put on the wrong aspects for the wrong reasons because of surface level reasoning. You are literally arguing that it was a bad book because the rules weren't broken and exploiting broken core mechanics of 8th edition unlike the VC which are the WORST offenders, probably the most broken faction in the games history.
>>98839797>one faction rulesLol, lmao even.
>>98839797>so a book that didn't follow the creep was the problem?a book that doesn't stand to its environment is a problem with the book more than the environment, yes
>>98839797>community feedback is worthlessit's not worthless just because the writers are too retarded to find good solutions and instead unbalance shit in the other direction there's no catching up, meta doesn't adjust, the problems with 8th came up immediately, it wasn't some slow development, they should have seen it coming and made better rules in the first place
>lizardmen don't come back with their older models nor get cross compatible rules for their aos models>instead tow gets a small range of amazons, slim slann, snakemen and zoats, with some worldbuild excuse
>>98839922I don’t really give a shit about the lizardmen but I’m frankly surprised there aren’t really any actual mesoamerican rep in lustria besides the Amazon’s and even then they’re aliens.
>>98839922Fuck it, do eet.
>>98839927There used to be the pygmies, which technically still exist in fluff, I think the latest RPG supplement for lustria dropped a plot hook about a potentially existing but yet uncontacted civilization of native humans, but I think they're placed more where the incas were, instead of some other more renown mesoamerican group.
>>98839938Further south than the Inca, there would be Patagonian tribes esque in look considering the region
>>98839967Yeah, my bad, I guess I hallucinated the inca connection to give them a gimmick about birds, given the chulchans.
Playing around with making nurgle cultists for the new rules in the Hordes of Chaos list
>>98840164Did you paint those border princes yet before hopping onto another thing>I'M SCOOOOOLPTING
>>98839967Aren't the Chulchan Plains supposed to be pretty nice, as far as Lustrian landscapes are concerned? Eerie, sure. Full of killer birds, yes. But the temperature is comfortable, the trees are sparse and the soil should be very rich. I'm surprised nobody has tried to settle there, is it because it's close to Elvish colonies?
>>98840172Fine, you caught me, I'll paint my ogres at least
>>98840186it's pretty broad so it covers both Pampas which is savannah-esque grasslands that are presumably the closest to the Chulchan Plains, and Patagonia which is a colder grassland region to the south.The temple city described in that adventure hook is right on Lustria's south coast and gets constant winds from the southern Chaos Wastes so the south tip would hardly be a tropical grassland environment
>>98840274The Elves maintain a trade port on the southern tip, and it's not described as being particularly rampant with mutation.Though I have an issue with an established Elvish trade port in Lustria in general, so I could chalk it up as fanon. I think if there's any grand sin associated with Lustria, it's that there is not a Caribbean equivalent. Between the haunting mainland, the legends of unfathomable wealth within the jungles, and a literal faction of vampire buccaneers, the region desperately needs a cluster of well-established and valuable islands occupied by the various nations of Man (and maybe Dwarf!) so PCs can actually exist around Lustria.
>>98840296Don't the elves use magic to redirect the polar winds away from that port?
>>98839927When the sorry excuse for a high elf who found himself exiled to the citadel of dusk after spilling wine and spaghetti all over the prince of Tiranoc's third cousin's sister in law looks down the battlements and contemplates ending it all this is what sees staring back at him.
>>98840375I seem to recall the high elf in the citadel down there is kind of a freak, so he would enjoy the view.
>>98840422The High Elves running the garrison at the citadel of Dusk are pretty normal but the High Elves have a prison island, now a sanatorium, nearby which is full of freaks
>>98840534My favorite part of the sanitarium is that the book gives an adventure hook where the PCs escort a High Elven scholar to the island to investigate a flame of Asuryan, and when the PCs arrive he jumps into the fire. Completely out of nowhere, PCs can’t stop him. High Elves just do that sometimes.
Wrecker's Point is OUT.Lovin' the art in the book. The halo is the art is so Renaissance. Just perfect.
>>98840588looks like AI slop
>>98840588Lots of nice little maps as well wasn't expecting that
Estalians are not niggerst. Estalian
>>98840609This was written by the dude who did the Salzenmund book, which was their best location guide, so I am not suprised. A lot of effort went into this guide. Is this new Goblin art too?
>>98840615yeah that looks new i don't recognise the style, and this book does have some new artists who haven't worked on WFRP before
>>98840587>a flame of Asuryanthere's more than one of them?
>>98840677Yeah, it's probably not super magical like the one on Ulthuan though.
le yawn…wake me up when a new mto is announced or VC get out of legends
>>98840793I'm pretty sure you can still get that Zombie Dragon model from Ral Partha, not sure about the Skeleton however
>>98840615If only they had that guy do a Sylvania book and do it in one book instead of three.
>>98840610Thank you for the public service announcement but don't worry Cubicle 7 will soon resolve that issue with their desire to make the Old World look like 21st century Los Angeles.
>>98840805Simon Wileman did work on the Sylvania book as well, but im not sure that's the writer anon meant when talking about the Salzenmund book writer
>>98840798>I'm pretty sure you can still get that Zombie Dragon model from Ral Parthafo sho, i just appreciate the paintjob and base and conversion work there hehe. ive put my zombie dragon off for 2 entire years because im too scared to sculpt the saddle
>>98840845Nostalgoyim will unironically claim this is better than the latest AoS undead dragon just because 'muh old has le soul'.
>>98840845>>98840902I really like the dragon, I hope that we get older retro aesthetic dragons for the elves later on. But the rider is indeed incredibly dated in a bad way
>>98840902Not him, but I like both for different reasons, if I were to get a zombie dragon I'd probably look for this one because the newest one is too intimidating. They both have that quality of carrying around literal dead weight that many other undead dragons lack.Even if he's a tad bit too small, I've seen scans of other old ral partha dragons around that can be upscaled slightly, so I would hope there's a similar thing for this piece too.Or maybe he can look bigger on a tactical rock, with the rider simply standing on foot below the figure, to trick the eye into not seeing too much of a size disparity.
>>98839063>Alexei in the jpg
>>98841055 I believe this art is actually depicting Alexei and Magnus, but Kislev will paint their current leader in the place of historical figures.
>>98839922Dark elves cold ones are a fucking beauty compared to ours. I got like 30 riders and never field them because they look dumb as hell
>>98839629The old Tomb Kings were so cool. The way they looked is why I ever started a TK army. You're doing this meme I just made.>>98839667>8E and the shitty core models was often cited as a major deterrent for playersThat's 8thfag cope. I think there's also a bit of converging factors when it comes to people not buying WFB in 8th. Fact of the matter is no one was buying anything because 8th bloated units into 30+ model death stars, and a lot of people who would have otherwise played Tomb Kings were priced out. The "erm actually it's because people didn't like the models" is misguided. If that's true then no one liked any WFB models across all of the factions.>>98839682HE spearmen and archers fucking rock and if they get the Dark Elf spearmen/archers treatment from 8th it'll be a travesty.
>>98840793Why would you ever want VC out of legends? They're SO good as a Legacy army and don't have to worry about an ugly range refresh from nuGW whilst simultaneously having worse (but still acceptable, just don't fit the WFB aesthetic) AoS proxies in the form of AoS skeletons. In fact, the only problem VC have is that some faggot ecelebs push a nerf to them that 60% of players and tourneys seem to accept without question, which is gay but not a problem with VCs.
>>98841779>The "erm actually it's because people didn't like the models" is misguided. No, it's not, you weren't there>If that's true then no one liked any WFB models across all of the factions.No, the tomb king skeletons were especially bad compared to many other core units, were already outdated at the time of the first armybook's release because they were a repurposed sprue from vampire counts, and vampire counts coming out not too long afterwards with much better looking skeletons definitely soured people's opinions on the kings' ones, who were simply lagging behind and significantly soOld is not automatically good, the charming cartoony aesthetic doesn't work if everything else around has moved in a different direction, including all metal tomb kings
>>98841797>No, it's not, you weren't thereI was active from 6th to the End Times and have a 4,000 point Tomb Kings army. You're just a slobbering newfag.
>>98841799No, you weren't there talking with people looking to get into an army and getting their excitement for the faction fade away at the look of the skeletons compared to the other skeletons.
>>98841824I posted on the TK forum, as well as Druchii.net and the High Elves one all the time. You're taking a few scattered anecdotes from 8th when WFB was already dead and cancelled by GW. The range was never a real obstacle to people playing TK. There weren't constant posts about "oh man I'm thinking about starting Tomb Kings but man I just hate the skeletons."
>>98841844>You're taking a few scattered anecdotesNo, I'm not, I'm talking about very real and very common trends for people who approached the faction all through 7th and 8th edition.You're talking from the point of view of someone who convinced himself the filter didn't exist simply because he didn't get filtered himself.Forums are where you find tourney tryhards and terminally online would-be-mods, actual gaming communities are not represented by the kind of person with 4000pts of tomb kings on the dedicated tomb kings forum.
>>98841957>Forums are where you find tourney tryhards and terminally online would-be-mods, actual gaming communities are not represented by the kind of person with 4000pts of tomb kings on the dedicated tomb kings forum.This discussion started because anon said new players were turned off of TKs because of the models and posted about it on the TK forums. Which is it? Are online discussions for tryhards or would-be players? As usual, the "new good old bad" crowd just argues in circles absent any point other than "old bad new good."
>>98841995No, anon said that the old models were cited as a reason why new players didn't get into the faction, not that new players posted on the forums.New players WERE turned off of TKs because of the models, forum goers also recognised it, you're running some weird ass revisionist bullshit and missed the fact that there are very real reasons why people didn't like the old models, while you are the one proposing the opposite spiel as if age alone was an assurance of quality, it wasn't, the skeletons were bad.People are happy they've been replaced, this was long awaited and long requested, if you can't see it or accept it it's because you have forgotten the feeling of static grass in your hand.I'm not even going to believe you have 4000pts of tomb kings now.
>>98842070>No, anon said that the old models were cited as a reason why new players didn't get into the faction, not that new players posted on the forums.>>98841824>No, you weren't there talking with people looking to get into an army and getting their excitement for the faction fade away at the look of the skeletons compared to the other skeletons.We're done here because you can't even keep what you said straight. You're just a "new good old bad" shill.
>>98842079That post doesn't say what you think it's saying, it's not talking about forum posts, it's talking about actual newcomers in actual local game stores.Stop being retarded, people are being straight with you, the only reason you don't see that is because you're flaming faggot; and again, literally the only one unironically correlating age with quality as if it was a direct thing.
>>98841799>4,000 point Tomb Kings army.
>>98841794This. We are very cozy in legends. GW can't directly nerf the good things about the army, and the few USRs they have changed (regen, parry) have actually been for the better. We've got a really good range of models, historically speaking, and lots of great 3rd party alternatives. Our army has variety in playstyle, from super fluffy to full waacshit with very little in regards to useless units.Going back to core would mean getting s bunch of unnecessary, overdesigned and overcosted kits, three months of op rules followed by a big nerf and a lot of bitching. Not worth it.
>>98841779>HE spearmen and archers fucking rock and if they get the Dark Elf spearmen/archers treatment from 8th it'll be a travesty.lollmao, even
>>98842406The fact you think the 8th Dark Elf sculpts are good is honestly ludicrous to me. They're so ugly and almost proto-AoS aesthetics. Very nearly monopose unlike the 6th plastics. Latest plastic HE Sea Guard, Swordmasters, and Phoenix Guard have the same problem. Just not as good as the 6th plastics/metal special units.
>>98841779>Yeah 8th killed the game, would've just kept trucking along just fine if it weren't for 8th.And I'm supposed to believe you're some grizzled old grognard? No you larping retard, whfb was struggling long before 8th. That bloating didn't just come out of nowhere, it was an attempt by gw to squeeze more money out of the existing playerbase.
>>98842510>whfb was struggling long before 8thDifferent anon but disagreed. People talk a lot of shit on 7th but honestly it was the peak of people actually playing WFB in a way that competed for table space at the LGS with 40k. Sure, 6th was better and 7th had broken shit army books, but it was very popular and 8th's terrible rules and decline were what prompted GW to do the End Times.
>>98842414I really like these, yeah. My honest reason why I hate high and dark elves so much is just that they look so boring and samey. Pelts aren’t enough, you need to incorporate different armor types.
>>98842535Being boring and same-y are exactly why the newer Dark Elf and High Elf plastics suck. They have the Eldar problem where all of the new plastics are just Guardians with different guns. This happened with Phoenix Guard and Island of Blood Swordmasters, too, where they literally have spearmen armor with a couple things added. 6th Edition HE/DE plastics differed from their metal counterparts with different armor and accoutrements and were great. I have no idea why people want new spearmen or archers because they'll just look more homogenized instead of great like they currently do as a multipose kit.
Can I play old world with this? This a full army?
>>98842612Yes. Certainly. You may need movement trays that convert your base sizes to the new larger standard. Google "Lizardmen legacy" to access their army rules, it should be the first link, and https://tow.whfb.app/ is an online rulebook.
>>98842618thank you anon
>>98842527Yeah, no. 40k was btfo'ing fantasy for ages, before 6th even. "Very popular" might be true for your local area, but it sure as shit wasn't in general. See the financial breakdown from the chapterhouse lawsuits.8th was the symptom, not the disease.
>>98842618>You may need movement trays that convert your base sizes to the new larger standard.What's cool about 20mm bases and using conversion trays is that you can measure from the movement tray itself. Old World rules stipulate that you should measure from the model's base and ignore the tray, but if you're using old minis on 25mm conversion trays then you don't have to pay attention to that shit and can just measure from your precisely-cut movement tray as if it's not there at all.Everyone should base their armies for WFB even if they play Old World.
>>98842739>40k was btfo'ing fantasy for ages, before 6th evenGet some reading comprehension. Never said that WFB was more popular, but 7th was the ONE time it was ever popular enough to have people playing it regularly alongside 40k.
>>98839629This, they're literally the old dogshit skeleton kit from the 1900s with some Egypt bits thrown in. Meanwhile the Vampire Counts got some of the greatest skeleton sculpts to ever hit the market while Tomb Kings were stuck with the old chunkers for decades. My friends and I were making fun of our friend's Tomb Kings skeletons and how much worse they looked 15 years ago.
>>98843144>skeleton kit from the 1900s
I know that imperial immediacy isn't a thing in warhammer but would still like to flavor my empire army as imperial knights. Which province of the empire has the most autonomous nobility?
>>98842755I don't think that if GW keot fantasy and had 9th edition be "6th ed with new models" the situation would have been much different.The fact is whfb would have never been as successful as GW wanted it to be. RnF games in general aren't that popular. ToW benefits from 3 main things.-it had 10 years of pent-up demand for something that was technically unavailable (sure many players kept playing, but the vast majority of people in this hobby are consumers not hobbyists, so if GW isn't selling it, they aren't participating in the hobby). -it had TW:W be EXTREMELY successful. I don't think it's addressed enough how much of an influence this had on people wanting to buy stuff- GW has now completely different and more realistic expectations on what Fantasy should achieve financially, relegating it to a specialist game.Add also the fact that today's GW is a completely different beast from Kirby's era GW and I'm sure that tTOW would have been successful even if it haopened to be just 8th edition again.
>>98842414the 8th ed plastics are definitely better than the 6th edition plastics.You've got to be the most disingenuous retard in existence to post a metal dark elf to defend a plastic one.
>>98843472all of the nobility in the Empire is pretty much autonomous, things like raising regiments are described as being voluntary and the same goes for second sons joining knightly orders. I'd say that Averland is probably where the nobility are most free from duties or control, other states have more specific roles like Stirland patrolling the Sylvania border etc.
>>98843144the skeletons themsleves aren't that bad, the actual problem is the hand weapons wich look like shit, if you build them with lances they are okif they actually had a lot more more 'egypt bits' it would have been a great kit, the shields are better than the round ones, they just needed to put enough kopeshes in there for the full unit and some bits of armor and bling> the Vampire Counts got some of the greatest skeleton sculpts to ever hit the marketcan't agree more, it's a damm shame they discontinued them for the new aos garbage
>>98844627Aren’t Averlander nobles basically cattle ranchers 90% of the time?
Does Clan Mors have any Thrall Clans, or is that something only for the Great Clans? I remember watching a YouTube video where Warlord Gnawdwell’s evil master plan for Queek Head-Taker was actually to have him start or take over a Thrall Clan, so he could be a second voice for Mors on the council. I don’t think there are any rules requiring you to be a Great Clan to do so, but did they ever have any Thrall Clans?
>>98844722horse breeders, which is extremely lucrative and obviously is in demand by the knightly orders, so it's probably very easy for Averlander nobles to get their sons into the orders just by offering good steeds.
I thought about getting into Old World TT. I collect 40K already and played a lot of Warhammer Fantasy vidya, like all of the armies. I saw the retailers I buy 40K stuff from still have some of the previous Batallion boxes in stock and they have the batlte march sets. Wondering which of the armies would you say get the beast value on those in terms of good/viable unit lineups?
>>98844899Ballemarces are pretty bad in value
>>98844899Of the Battalion boxes, probably the Empire, wood elf, Cathay Beastmen or WoC(if you prefer the older models) are the best value for money to points but there
>>98844899Orcs & Goblins and High Elves are the worst value, everything else is at least ok. Warriors of Chaos, Cathay and Beastmen and maybe Wood Elves boxes will get you the furthest towards a full army.Generally the batallions are good for getting a whole bunch of core infantry to build from, whereas the battle march boxes get you actually playing small format games faster. So the Empire batallion for example will give you a shitload of state troops and a steam tank, which on their own are not really playable, but the value is pretty good if you wanted all those models anyway.
>>98844927But there's not great deal overall, just kinda good*
Since we're at army box value,how would you rate these proxy boxes from Max Mini? In terms of how good the units lineups are.Orc army: https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/orc-armyGoblin army:https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/goblin-army (NOTE: The goblins look like night gobbos)Dwarf army:https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/dwarf-armyOgre army:https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/ogres-army (NOTE: ogres are mostly female here)Tomb Kings armies (grand and small): https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/mummy-grand-army https://maxminishop.com/collections/fantasy-undead/products/mummy-armyDark Elf army: https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/desert-elves-army (NOTE unlike the others, it's a big departure from their aesthetic since they are egyptian themed, but they represent all of their units and characters)They have stuff for other armies...but they are all halfling versions of those armies, so not really interested in those.
>>98844956They look good and offer a good amount of plastic for money. However, from what I understand the weapon options are locked, no build options? So that can be annoying if you want a a few blocks of night goblin spears and are stuck with only 20 while the other unit is 20 axes, archers and nets. But I suppose not much of an issue since you can just put them in back rank and keep the loadout of what you actually want to run in the front. Bigger issue for the Dwarf box where the infantry only has HW & shield, no option for GW.All are good picks, except the Dwarf box which is meh. Since you have 3 canons. If one was swapped out for an organ gun or grudge thrower would have been better. It seems that you can only run 40 HW & Shield warriors. a bit overdone on missle troops.
>>98843674>it had TW:W be EXTREMELY successful. I don't think it's addressed enough how much of an influence this had on people wanting to buy stuffThis general knows and they hate it, while wishing it never occurred. Even if it means TOW never happened
>>98845047>This generalnah
>>98844956I don't play TOW but i loce these miniatures. The dwarf battallion is on my to buy list, as soon as i pait what i got.
>>98840296Warhammer's not-Caribbean already exists though, in its not-Med near its not-Sicily. Having an extra one would be redundant, especially since the New World part of the setting is supposed to be frozen in perpetual Cortez Hacks Through Jungle Finding Treasure Cities And Dangerous Shit time exactly so that it avoids becoming a mundane Colony Simulator.
>>98840296>so PCs can actually exist around Lustria.but there are small settlements and colonies and headquarters
>>98842414Why are you posting badly sculpted LotR minis? This is the Warhammer Fantasy general friendo.
>>98845082I don't think lotr has dark elves
>>98844956These look nice, anyone else know what other sellers that make good WHFB proxy minis? Not STLs but actual physical minis you can buy
>>98842742>>Everyone should base their armies for WFB even if they play Old World.>tfw play ogres and don't need to touch the bases at all. Even rounds will work since I use trays.
>>98842414>The fact you think the 8th Dark Elf sculpts are goodThe black guard, witch elves, warriors, cauldron, and sorceress and dragon are. The executuioners are an abominatio and the horses for the dark riders are shit. .
>>98845064>>98845078I know, I know, but there's a part of me that yearns for the romantic fantasy of Pirates of the Caribbean, and Skeggi doesn't exactly evoke that feeling. The colonies in Lustria are consistently described as barely hanging on, assailed near constantly by Lizardmen.
>>98845097What army? What style? Metal, plastic, PVC?Where are you located (for shipping and availability)? There's tons of stuff out there.
>>98845395PlasticEuropeSkaven, Dwarfs, Orcs & Goblins, Vampire Counts
>>98844956honestly not particularly impressive savings, you are only really getting value out of the kits that GW only has in metal which are very overpriced and can't be discounted. For the Tomb Kings one, £130 will soon get you the equivalent of two thirds of max mini grand army models. As soon as wave 2 plastics come in for TK you could pick up the remaining third for £70 most likely. It is nowhere near the value of 3D printed armies and whether you like the minis or not they are worthless and not saleable once you have them.
is 3D printing Total Warhammer models feasible yet?
>>98845454Is resellabity even a concern if I like the minis for my collection?
>>98845481People have tried it, but I don't know how successful they have been
>>98845544You must always hustle, Anon. Your chains need to be made of gold. Never be happy with what you have or what exists, always covet more!
>>98845609begone Tzeentch
>>98845481You can but it's not really worth it: game models are mesh with textures applied and you'll only print the mesh part so it's going to be low details.
>>98845481You'll have to jump on Telegram and grab some of Emang's old .stl's. As >>98845553 said the meshes on their own arent print ready, but this guy was getting them edited to be printable and they came out pretty good. He tried to do a Patreon for it and GW C&D'd him, which is too bad. He had done most of the skaven and demon rosters.
>>98844956>Dark Elf army: https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/desert-elves-army (NOTE unlike the others, it's a big departure from their aesthetic since they are egyptian themed, but they represent all of their units and characters)That box is almost 3.2K points of Dark Elves and that's with everything naked apart from giving the infantry full command and the supreme sorc comes on a cold one mount.And this is also meant to proxy High Elves, not just Dark Elves. https://maxminishop.com/collections/fantasy-elvesThe Lynx Warriors for example are White Lion stand ins. You have stand ins for skycutters, phoenixes etc. as well.So if you don't mind it and didn't plan on styling them in a certain way, you could get some Helf & Delf specific extras from their shop like Hydras, harpies, medusa, blood shrine etc. for DE and specific stuff for HE from their shop and have 2 armies in one. Assuming WYSIWYG matters here
>>98845544then by all means get them I was purely looking at it as a value proposition. Sometimes people look for short term savings whether they like the stuff or not and end up with a heap of stuff they can't shift. I know a fair few meta chasers who've ended up with mountains of third party, historical and 3d printed stuff they can't shift and they regret it even at the lower prices they paid.
>>98844899The Orcs & Goblins Battle March is the best one. Everything is good, even Wolf Riders. If you get 2 you have a really solid army core (though end up with one extra goblin shaman you don’t really need), and then can buy some squigs or catapults or trolls or Black Orcs to round things out. O&G battle march is online only tho.
>>98845884Nta, but I sincerely find the meta mindset disgusting. They really have no commitment to the game other than winning. There is no enjoyment of the painting and modelling, no interest in storytelling, no projects started out of sheer interest in the miniatures or lore.It's all bulk buys, bulk assemblies and bulk painting, just to end up bulk selling the whole thing months later after the new hot thing comes out.The "value" mindset is also equally disgusting. Thinking about your hobby in regards of reselling value, points per pound and long time investment brings you down to the level of any funko, pokenon or mtg faggot.Those people enjoye miniatures gaming despite the miniatures themselves; they're more of a paperwork than the very meat of the hobby.
>>98845879Hey, their Bretonnians ain't bad either!
>>98845259They have to be that way though, for the same reason the Empire's technology can't advance beyond early flintlocks and the Dwarfs have to find hyperconservative excuses to avoid using the internal combustion engines they've had for centuries - going past that tipping point irrevocably changes how the setting works. Anything more than a few trading posts for treasure hunters and explorers barely clinging on in the face of a continent that wants to eat your face must, inevitably, lead to the whole colonial system and everything that entails: Estalia becoming the dominant power in the Old World, a slave trade to provide the labour to establish the new world colonies quickly(GW would avoid a timeline advance to avoid dealing with this one alone), more advanced human navies that could contend with the High Elves further eroding their only real remaining influence on the human world, Old World armies large enough and with sufficient logistics to actually make a serious dent in the Lizardmen's dominance of the jungle etc etc etc.There are just too many implications.
>>98845994Not really part of the discussion either but agreed on both counts. When I saw the resale talk in passing I just rolled my eyes. There is this whole segment of GW customer (not wargamer) who thinks British plastic is some kind of asset to flip when you’re done with it. Just disgusts me. And as for meta lists, well, that’s now really how GW has designed the game. Some people try hard to turn TOW into a 40k like metashifting min max slop game with the different “comp packs” that change the game entirely, but that’s not the norm. I’ve never seen anyone go “oh man I need to buy the latest Fantasy meta spam” in my entire WFB career except maybe in 8th, and today it’s mostly a strawman used to justify discussions of nerfs that need to happen despite the fact GW doesn’t update this game on the same schedule as 40k or AoS.
what do grail knights do? like theyve completed their crazy quest and became superhuman do they just go back to living like a normal noble somewhere? i thought they dont have to shit or piss or sleep or eat anymore...do they wander around forever looking to do battle? are their steeds enhanced?
>>98846062if BL lore is anything to by, its getting cucked and falling for their "squires".
I like playing events. Not because I’m a WAACfag or anything, but simply because it’s much easier as an adult to justify a planned weekend to my family than it is to hop down to the store on any given WFB night. I’ve noticed my area is pretty great in that they allow proxy minis and are all pretty nice not WAACfaggot tier people. But all of the abundant events around me use Renegades and GermanComp and I fucking hate it. I just want to play The Old World, not some fucking fanboy’s idea of balance. Like, I commend people for making house rules, that’s the essence of wargaming, but there’s never been any discussion as to whether we should adopt some other guy’s rules and the TOs do it unilaterally.
>>98845994oh I agree with you for those reasons alone, but in terms of value the point is that you shouldn't settle for models you don't like because they are cheaper because you don't actually lose money on good or in demand models. Also reselling is one way to make the hobby self sustaining and especially in Old World with all the updated kits coming it is a great way of paying for your army refresh. I suspect 90% of the bitching about the new TK sculpts is from people saddled with the old skeletons because they weren't smart enough to sell them months ago and buy the refresh.
>>98846112>I suspect 90% of the bitching about the new TK sculpts is from people saddled with the old skeletons because they weren't smart enough to sell them months ago and buy the refresh.Its less that and more that Its a pain in the ass that GW wont be keeping stock of the superior kits anymore that arent subject to shrinkflation.
>>98840596Yeah, I see that too with the composition of the painting and the details on it, though it's probably not AI and the artist just didn't bother rendering the minor background characters in much detailPic, I think, is from the same artist and also has a similar uncanniness to it, but you argue it makes more sense due to the character being caught in a rainstorm, which is why they're so shiny
>>98844956>>98845879Man these are fucking great, shame they did the hafling meme shit for the other armies. Would love to get some cheap minis for a Vampire Counts or Empire for this price.130 pounds for basically a full army is a steal.
>Army IdeaLahmian Tomb Kings lead by Neffy. Use the ET model and proxy it as a Tomb King on a Bone Dragon.Yay or Nay?
>>98846157Looks like 3E.
>>98839629People can not separate the baby from the bathwater. They think that in order to defend good old models that they must also defend bad old models for some reason.
>>98846384as in WFRP3e?No, I disagree with you on that. The digital artwork of 3e looks very of its time (early 2010s); the wrecker point artwork looks very modern, if that makes sense pic is some artwork from i think 3e Enemy Within Adventure
>>98846127What shrinkflation? The old skeleton kit is 36 miniatures. The new skeleton kits are also 36 miniatures. It’s the same number of minis for the same price, but brand new
>>98846506>xhe doesn’t know
Played a 500 point game of battle march today. Didn’t take pictures of the game itself but here was the forced I used.
>>98846635Forgot the image like a fool
why are all good WHF memes relegated to the TWG on /v/ of all places?
>>98846112>people saddled with the old skeletons because they weren't smart enough to sell them months ago and buy the refresh.But why "saddled" and why well them? there's no greater pleasure than having a collection grow and integrate new models with the old.And if they didn't like the skeletons then why buy them in the first place?Fuck even when I had just started 25+ years ago, i always envied older player's armies that had both the same models i had and older ones before my time.
>>98846157I actually really like that art. What're those figures in the background? Wraiths?
>>98846722>TWG/vg/ actually. Among other things, it's because the Total Warhammer series (along with the Vermintide games) revitalized the setting, and introduced the Fantasy world to a younger - more memetically proficient - demographic.
>>98846858Yeah, ghost that can waylay the party as on there way to another location but timing is kinda critical in the adventure, so it seems like it might matter
>>98845879>https://maxminishop.com/collections/fantasy-elvesUnironically considering buying the bundle for the desert elf proxies. Looked up some vids, they look cool. Paintjob shown on site makes them look a bit worse. Only thing I dislike are the chariots and the Black/Phoenix guard halberds.What color scheme would you anons suggest for these regarding armor/clothes? And how would you do the skin - brownish or would you do them pale/normal caucasian/something else?Need ideas for these bitches
>>98840588>>98846157I really like these pieces. There's a realistic quality to them that fits WHF's more mortal feel.
>>98846931Nice to know beastwoman anon.
>>98846635>>98846640Battle March is fun.>>98846722I don't think their memes are good because they're based on Total War slop instead of anything related to real Warhammer Fantasy.
>>98846640>>98846635Raa Roo! Love your army, Beastbro. How did the Centigors perform?
>>98846157>tfw no druidess gf
>>98846722Such as?
>>98846064does it come from "Lords of the Lance" ?
Just wanted to share a pick up from today with those who would appreciate it. Going to be great additions to my Hordes of Chaos
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>>98847050>>98847062Noice. Very sovlful models.
These fellas are very unfinished, but it still feels great seeing them start looking like what they're supposed to be.
>>98847020the latter probably I think the cucking comes from one of reynolds books
Don't want to jinx it, but today the thread's been comfy.What are y'all working on?
>>98846827Because they're shit, and everyone's known and acknowledged they were shit almost from the moment they were released, through multiple editions of not getting refreshed while VC got great updates, through to everyone pointing out that GW weren't going to get a huge influx of TK players for TOW because they republished the same shitty 90's fucking skeleton sculpts. It's only now that GW are finally fixing the range that the contrarian boy buggering poofters are coming out of the woodwork to pretend that literally the worst skeleton miniatures produced by any company at any point in the last 35 years ArE GoOD AcTuAllY.Despite that, some people decided that GW obviously weren't going to update the range if they republished the same fucking awful old ones and that even if they did, they'd be trash as well given the Foot Knights they did for Bretonnia, so they gave in and bought armies of the shit ones. Now GW are updating TK, they're fucking awesome, and they have buyer's remorse but are too fucking petty to just admit they played themselves and so are trying to psyop everyone into thinking these shitty sculpts are beloved classics, either for the benefit of their own fragile psyches or because they're hoping they can dupe speculatorshits into buying them to resell as "CLASSIC OOP ORIGINAL TOMB KINGS" on ebay.NTA, but that about sums up why dumbasses are pretending to like them.
>>98847759I am working hard to finish my MESBG project before Tomb Kings go up for pre order and I jump fully into that.
>>98847870Not any anon in this convo, but anecdotally I know only one TK fan, and he’s not a big fan of the new skeletons. He also uses 3d printed skellies for his forces which I take as not liking the original ones either
>>98847870I play TK and VC and like both old TK skeletons and the VC refresh. They both appeal to me more than the nuGW ones recently announced too. Typical nuGW overdetailing.
>>98846062I think most just become normal lords, I mean the King is pretty much always a grail knight right? I know some become protectors of grail shrines, so they pretty much just become hermit monk knights.
>>98846970It is, very nice to have an option for “quick” and fun games.>>98846987They were okay. I was facing off against a Old World beginner and decided to just charge his ranks head on to explain a few rules and whatnot. But they took down a few of his basic infantry before losing combat, falling back in good order (he rolled low so combat wasn’t joined again) and then I choose to flee with them as they were charged by him this time with only around 4” between them. After that they kept on fleeing.
>>98847759Trying to overcome fatigue from raising a toddler and a lack of inspiration.I built some ironguts and primed some hammerers this week, but have no motivation to finish either.
>>98847759>today the thread's been comfy.GW employees have the weekend off.>What are y'all working on?New movement trays because I'm stuck in 6th edition and Blood Knights.
So if I want a dwarf lord on shield and I do not want the dogshit gw one, that doesnt match the rest of my army and is like twice as tall as the unit he is meant to join, what are even my options ? Third party market has been decimated by tow and economic reality.
>>98846921Lighter blue and make the skin tone a lighter tan. Imo this looks good already.You could do the Delf or Helf Iconic color schemes along with making them either pale or fair skinned caucasian. If you want to style after those armies. Making the gold bits silver and the cloth white or purple. Would work as well.Not that much mini variation so you could also try and make cloth different colors along with hair and slight skin tone variations.
>>98848353> 6th edition> Blood KnightsQue?
