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Your favorite Chaos Space Marines novel to pretend to have read is getting a sequel.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xqwipozh/sequel-to-the-lords-of-silence-revealed/

>>98891071
That's not Apostle

>>98891071
The Lords of Silent was such a good book

>>98891065
>So. How about them Imperial Agents? You got any to share with the thread?
Why do they suck so bad? I want to LARP as Eisenhorn and Ravenor.

>>98891071
Are there any novels about World Eaters?

>>98891071
That's not Legion THOUGH.

>>98891076
because they're not supposed to be a real army, just a collection of everything else.
genuinely, i think its just cool minis to get you into the game, then hate the army so you buy a new one
that wont work gw. i love my terrible group of nonsense

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wash in receses by the trim and then either layer a bit brighter on all panels + edge on the collar or just airbrush the lighter color on flat surfaces?

>>98891103
the lighting makes it look like it has giant anime eyes

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>>98891076
>their army rule is "you can ally these into other Imperium armies, or you can select detachments as written below"
>the only vehicles in the Agents roster are transports and the Corvus Blackstar
>the infantry they have is underwhelming across the board
>only 29 datasheets, with 9 of them being 1/1 limited characters
>no official model support for some datasheets
>the detachments that do exist for Agents are undertuned and sparse enough that you don't have actual options to pick between
It's Imperium soup of everything that GW wanted to make but didn't want to actually support.

>>98891107
fuck you now i see it too

>>98891103
Spray with gloss varnish, use an oil/enamel based panel liner, then spray with matte varnish

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>>98891107
>>98891114
>so kawaii uguu~

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>>98891114
>oh imperial-san. do you like my new lip stick?

>>98891120
kek

>>98891079
If GW had anyone with braincells the world eater "novel" would just be a visual comic with onomatopoeia of world eaters fighting random shit and the only colors would be a pallet of human internals all drawn in an 80s gritty dndpunk style.

>>98891116
will have to get a panel liner or oil wash then, oh well might still be able to make it to the collage
i guess you could use some stickers on the left pauldron but then i feel i'd need to bother with one on the leg and knee/main carapace as well

>>98891079
Yes.

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>>98891127
Small minds think alike

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>>98891136
More like this but 90% less dialogue and more artsy fartsy art instead of the marvel slop.

You ever think about how weirdly similar all of the chaos gods are to the specific D&D demons and devils models their greater demons were repurposed from? Not just in looks but also aspect

>>98891169
I'm interested, could you explain in more detail

>>98891169
no, since I have no interest in d&d, never did and hate it

>>98891169
There's only so many ways to skin a cat, anon
"The god of excess and debauchery" for example can only be presented in so many ways when the authors are human. Frame of reference et al.

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I thought since its orktober I should paint one ork mini

>>98891169
D&D is for trannies so I have no interest in it. Makes sense why you like it, though

>>98891136
Based gw.

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Lmao nice omnipotent god you have there

>>98891169
Which ones? Khorne's Bloodthirsters are Balors.
Daemonettes are Succubi/Erinyes?
and...?

>>98891220
I wish they'd just stop making animations if they're going to be nothing but superhero movie battles with a handful of stock sound effects slapped in with no mixing

>>98891071
Let's fucking gooooooo

Aside from torrenting, are there any troves for editions 4 thru 9?

>>98891229
It's for the people who liked superhero movie battles, not for you or anyone else who was here first
Those are made specifically to draw in tertiaries who then go on to pay money for Warhammer+ and buy books and games and *at most* buy a few shelf-warmer models. 40k is now what Star Wars was in 2007.

>>98891199
>>98891199
that's not an ork tho

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>>98891071
I read it twice, actually.
Dragan is my boy.

If I wanted to take a single Imperial Knight as an ally for fun, what would be a good option? Planning on starting SoB, but playing them like the old Witch Hunters and having a lot of Inquisition units if that matters.

>>98891275
Just make sure the knight has their own unique livery. I hate how people always make knights have the same color pallet and iconography as their main army.

>>98891319
I love making Knights to match the armies they run with, makes the whole army much more intimidating.

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>>98891065
Hey everyone it's once again time for the collage anchor posts.
This month's theme was "plasma/energy weapon and spooky" and was left to your own interpretation.
I'll try to post an anchor every thread but if you can't spot me write"here is my october collage submission" and it'll be way easier to find you in the archive.

Here is the link to next month's vote
https://strawpoll.com/kogjRpO0Eg6

>>98891247
gretchin isnt a boyz but it is an ork

>>98891344
Grechin and Orks are Orkoid species

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Kek, you guys need to stop bullying these poor helpless big tiddy women who just want to paint models and show off their massive racks! Lolol

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>>98891341
Here is my collage submission

>>98891372
That’s a flamethrower not an energy weapon you dumb bitch.

>>98891065
I wonder if the skitarii faggot has models or if he's just a secondary

>>98891375
Heat is energy, anon

>>98891375
Awfully rich of you to try policing the collage when you're the only person banned from it.

>>98891375
It's a spooky little robit guy. Look at the skull! Frightening stuff.
>>98891372
I think he looks great

>>98891379
Actually flamethrowers work by accelerating a physical object at the enemy, which happens to be flammable and also on fire
If flamethrowers get to be energy weapons then so do all slug throwers, which rather makes the label worthless

>>98891357
Foidhammers really think they can pull the wool on 40k autists

>>98891372

C-c-cute! (He says in binharic)

>>98891319
Seconded
>>98891201
Let's be real, warhams is also "for trannies" because trannies are 90% just people with the unlucky mixture of autism and porn addiction

>>98891381
That’s not me you moronic fraud poster

>>98891389
Flamer
>launches super-heated material onto the target to exude thermal energy into the target
Plasma
>launches super-heated material onto the target to exude thermal energy into the target

>>98891403
You're still here? Why?

>>98891385
>It's a spooky little robot guy. Look at the skull! Frightening stuff.
This is the actual reason anons. You can stop arguing now. You're welcome.

What's the minimum amount of time that I can reasonably get away with before painting back over an oil wash? I'm hoping to get away with ~36 hours this time.

>>98891407
Yeah but is a burning fuel sprayed in a wide arc and lingers so it can seep in and coat everywhere while the other instantly vaporizes.

I been using tupperware lid as my wet palette
I wonder if the brand one better?

>>98891434
>if I just move the goalpost from my original argument I can still win
I accept your concession

Not many days left now. Maybe I should start working on my entry... But it's cold and I just wanna goon and play vidya. Why is life so tough guys

>>98891440
I'm a third party retard, I read your post in isolation

>>98891453
Gooning kills your motivation to do work

>>98891458
Follow the reply chain, context is usually important in a conversation
And how am I supposed to know if you are or are not the same person if we're both posting anonymously?

>>98891464
How do you know that I'm not lying and the same person? How does anyone else know all these posts aren't just you same fagging? I'm not going to follow the reply chain because I am lazy.

>>98891357
the pedostodes girl posting her tits here is the functional equivalent of a middle aged lady suffering from dead bedroom wearing revealing clothing when her son's friends are over

>>98891492
Idc her rack is nice enough for me to enjoy before the mods insta delete the picture

>>98891492
As 40k becomes more mainstream you'll see a lot more low level e-whores jumping to the IP for simp money and attention lying about how they totally care about 40k and were always invested long term fans while fundamentally they try and mutate it to their own viewpoints before moving on to the next popular thing.

>>98891512
TRVKE

>>98891512
Women always use stuff men like as a springboard to wealth. Always has been and always will be. Doesn't matter how much we gatekeep 40k in that regard since there will always be lonely guys who latch onto them. Sad and true.

I wish she was a tranny with a cute flat chest instead of a used up fat chick…

>>98891435
why not use the actual tupperware??

First two codices of 2027are Tau then Drukhari

Tau are getting new Crisis Suits and Broadsides. Broadsides are getting a glowup, no new weapon options. Crisis suits are becoming a lot more elite, expect to see roughly half as many on the table. New crisis suits have an onager gauntlet option.
Experimental tech becomes a bigger theme for Tau, a lot of units are good at shooting with decent mobility. A lot of suit units have better profiles with both the Hazardous and One-Shot keywords. Most tau guns are gaining some AP. Fewer rerolls, a lot more mobility, but again, it's experimental so you have to roll battleshock on your move shoot move and if you fail your unit loses access and takes mortals. Most suits get twin-lance style melee where there are select gun profiles they can use, but it's WS6, sustained. Detachments for more experimental weapons, autopass hazardous tests, and are more generalist instead of being BR reliant
Rumor Engine is Broadside Railgun
Drones still tokens.

Drukhari get Vect, a large boat that is essentially a diet tantallus, and Trueborn multikit with Kabalite Warriors. They come with an elf-wide update similar to the marine codex, basically elves remain as squishy, but get 'Fleet of Foot', which is basically a choice per unit per battleround of move shoot move, adv + charge, reactive on infantry only, or for vehicles a 4++ invuln but they can only snapshoot. Druk have Pain Tokens with advanced profiles. The entire army is like 90% hunter profiles now, Haywire is anti-vehicle 4+ devwounds on hunter and much weaker into other units. Poison is hunter-nonvehicle, anti-non-vehicle 3+ and most are going up AP or shotcount. Most epic heroes are more than doubling in price but now hit similarly to primarchs offensively. Covens still neglected. Blasters and Dark Lances are getting hunter profiles for vehicles with dev wounds. Army is more expensive and most options are worse into general targets, but much, much better into their specific targets.

>>98891519
>>98891524
My problem isn't the opportunistic whores, my problem is the weak willed betas that bend over and allow the setting to be change to accommodate them. We've already seen the ramifications of letting performative males and feminists screw with other IPs. Can anyone here unironically say they like shit like Erda, or outside of a gooner context Transtodes and how GW straight up lied, or how SoB are having testosterone slipped into them like they're on HRT? Once they get bored and leave we'll be left with a shattered clown setting for the funny plastic men painted lovingly and with utter fucking hate by old neckbeards who've lived their entire lives with 40k.

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>>98891553
>only update models that don't need updated
yeah I can see that happening

Oh great, another day of meltdowns over things that literally don't matter to any sane person's enjoyment of the hobby.

>>98891132
May I see them?

>>98891565
Tau getting model updates is dumb and gay

>>98891553
>everything gets more elite except for marines
lol okay

>>98891553
>becoming a lot more elite
So you might bring 1 less chaff unit every game to make up for the cost, got it

Or do they actually mean it this time instead of the blatant lie it was for marines?

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>>98891229
>>98891245
I like superhero movie battles :)

>>98891554
>Can anyone here unironically say they like shit like Erda
Big E's bitch wife thinking she knows better than him and screwing everything up is based, actually

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>>98889171
>>98889196
I awoke in a cold sweat having remembered something.
It's been foretold anons, I must.

>>98891578
GW's handling of it is cheap and shitty though. Their first rounds of animations were animated overpriced powerpoints, then when they got assmad everyone made fun of them they nuked content creators, especially on youtube, with CaDs orders, getting channels locked and deleted. Only the top creators were given a contract deal to work under the direct preview of GW. When they finally shat out phase two of their anims, it looked like something a lazy blender animator could make in a week. It did get better when they forcibly snagged the Astartes guy and hired some Maya artists, but they're still cheap retards that will do the bare minimum while charging people out the ass. The SFM 40k animations blow these people out of the water 9 times out of 10, and for free.

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do I get this or do I get god hand?

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>>98891554
>we'll be left with a shattered clown setting for the funny plastic men painted lovingly and with utter fucking hate by old neckbeards who've lived their entire lives with 40k.

>>98891584
Yeah, holy fucking woman moment. Somehow they try and frame it as the Emperor's fault that super smart girlboss Erda had Lindsay Clancy moment.

>>98891595
Buy me popeyes

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>>98891598

>>98891432

Painting with what? Acrylics should be ok, other oils will definitely be ok but you might risk reactivation. 36 hours in proper temps with airflow should be more than ok. Depends on what paint and color you used for the wash. I mix a bit of dry accelerator/medium in with my oil washes to make sure they dry, but some colors just take longer.

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>>98891554
You lost and you will keep losing.

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>>98891103
She's cute anon

>>98891563
Global forever cost of living pressures mean that people can't afford the entry to 40k
GW wants people buying new models to make money
They refresh things that don't need it and up the point values and add wargear so new players don't have to buy as much for an army but new players also feel pressured to rebuy their armies, which makes the game 'cheaper' while also getting more people to rebuy perfectly good models.

>>98891633
you lost, tranny

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>>98891633
>we wuz space kannnnngs
I have no problem with this, he looks like a rouge trader or potentially a planetary governor. My problem is when things like gene seed overriding your genetic DNA is ignored in the name of the god of diversity or when every Imperial Guard officer is a strong waman, or when regiments magically have the ethnic diversity of a modern day metropolitan American city, because those weren't done in service to the setting, they were done in service to IRL liberal politics. No one complains about Inquisitor Mordecai Toth.

>>98891629
The wash will be a roughly 1-1 mix of burnt umber and ivory black. Over that, I'll just be doing acrylics. Probably just the effects for plasma and helmet lenses, and maybe some highlight touchups.

>>98891627
>Where did you get that picture of me?

>>98891627
Unironically one of the coolest slaanesh things I've seen

>>98891657
There was this post some twitter tranny made about having a fat black disabled female space marine in a mobile chair scooter being heckin' valid etc and one of my friends on discord sent me this image in comparison telling me he wanted to kitbash said marine as a slanneshi chaos marine using this image as a base.

>>98891655
>every Imperial Guard officer is a strong woman
I shouldn't have to explain why retiring Creed just to introduce a new woman named Creed is doing this
As well, Graves was 1000% meant to be a stronk womyn replacement for Yarrick, but GW saw dollar signs on "new Yarrick model" and said to hell with it instead
My source is my ass hair

>>98891432
Why are you painting over an oil wash? Grab some q tips and white spirits. I also hope you applied a gloss varnish before you used oils, which I'm guessing you didnt if you're trying to paint over it.

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>>98891657
>>98891669
>>98891672
FOUND THE IMAGE

>>98891554
I just don't care and focus on my own thing.

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>>98891674
I don't get what's so empowering about taking the legacy of a guy and giving it to a bootleg version of that character but female. Or establishing a female character out of the blue who's sole purpose is to girlboss over an established male character to show how amazing they are.

>>98891633
who is the space kang?
is he the guy from that one dawn of fire book that looked like eddy murphy on the cover and loses his fucking mind to deliver his ship and crew to chaos?
broad on the left is definitely from one of those DoF books

>>98891697
>grimdark setting
>anon is surprised and confused GW makes it more grimdark

>>98891704
So making women in charge of everything is grimdark?

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>>98891713
Destroying everything you love is Grimdark :^)

>>98891674
I think they could have gotten away with Creed's daughter if they weren't also making virtually every other new Guard character a strong woman. Space Churchill being succeeded by his Space Ms. Trunchbull daughter is kind of funny, but taken alongside everything else it's just too much.

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I only play editions where thousand sons have tzaangors

>>98891713
Obviously, they are incompetent and bad in leadership roles.

>>98891703
It’s a Rogue Trader novel called Void King

>>98891678
Why would I want an oil wash over lighting effects?
The model's already varnished, I'm giving it a full 24 hours before bringing out the oil.

>>98891718
That doesn't look too bad, I'm sure that the space wolves are bros enough to make you a chapter servant if you do something amazing in the IG or something. It is kind of weird though that they have wooden shields and axes and seem to be leading a bunch of those new primaris space wolves. Guides? The planet looks snowy so that's probably not it.

>>98891741
>Why would I want an oil wash over lighting effects?
You're the retard who said you're using an oil wash, I said nothing about where you're applying it. If it's varnished matte then it's probably going to seep in and stain.

>>98891656

> Burnt umber

Usually dry next day. That's a mineral color that catalyzes the oxidation of the base oil. Just make sure you put the mini somewhere open to dry afterwards. You could put a little fan on them if you really need it to be dry but it should be fine.

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>>98891103
decided to do it with normal nuln oil and kinda like the result, almost decided to do mephisto's rune but 2 strokes of brush have shown me that my hands are too shaky for that kind of freehand. Then i matte'd and applied neon green in case i'd dislike the result and could wash it off
>>98891341
would be my submission but probably not up to snuff but i leave the judgement to collage anon. Excuse bad lightning. Could maybe do better with actual daylight also present

>>98891775
>That's a mineral color that catalyzes the oxidation of the base oil.
Huh. Neat.

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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>98891743
It’s looks incredibly stupid, wild shirtless nogs running through the snow.

>>98891806
I didn't want to say anything because it was too easy but having a bunch of superduper genetic aryan space men in hyper advanced armor watching two metropolitan black guys larping as vikings has some pretty funny connotations and I don't know what GW meant by this.

>>98891786
I mean spooky skull head and flamer looks good to me

My heart is telling me to do my entry as a BA/SW hellblaster getting rekt by something spooky but I'm so tired of both schemes

>>98891806
So, space wolves but melanated?

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>>98891697
It's an IdPol thing, you'd have to understand the intersectional worldview to understand why they do this.
It requires a lot of doublethink and hypocrisy, I don't suggest reading into it and rejecting it outright instead. Any worldview that requires un-learning dictionary definitions and relying on dialectics and circular logic is not sound.
>>98891725
I'm of the same vein
Ursula Creed on her own isn't bad, but then with how many characters have been women both on-table and in "the lore" since 2022 it makes the agenda too on-the-nose for me.

Either way I'm going to keep playing my 80s power metal BDSM nuns with flamethrowers

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>>98891341
Here is my collage submission. Since Weirdboi is a psychic. And that bolt of energy. Plus decided to add a spooky accent with that blood and how his eyes popped out.

>>98891799

Yeah, specifically it's a metal* mineral color. Manganese and iron I think? Metals catalyze the oil. Its what your commercial driers are. Some resin and a little bit of some metal mineral or other acting as a catalyst.

>>98891902
Those can't be space wolves, they're chapter serfs or something, spaces wolves only recruit from Fenris which is an icy death world.

>>98891907
The contrast king has arrived
>>98891902
Space Wolves are serious, groids are inherently unserious because they are akin to wild animals.

>>98891912
An icy death world doesn't prevent joggers from existing upon it.

What space marine parts look good with hazard stripes? No pauldrons. So far I am thinking:
-Chainsword covers
-Perhaps bolter receivers?
-Other armor plates on specific marines like hellblasters or eradicators. I like the idea of using the left shin for this purpose so far.

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>>98891915
Honestly Ork Flesh is still one of the best 1st wave's contrast paint. It still does that Middlehammer darker ork skin well. I really like it.

>>98891923
jock strap

>>98891341
Also abaut "Joke/reference" If it passes. Does a reference of a paint scheme of some artists OC that I like counts?
Or do I need to say the reference it it's not mainsteam/obvious enough?

>>98891918
Yes it does, they would have massive vitamin D deficiencies, unless you telling me the space wolves brought these guys from another planet to their planet for some reason.
Which is kinda funny.

If they actively weren't just trying to do the "progressive" thing if destroying European culture by inserting brownies everywhere, they would do the respectful thing and make all black chapters recruit from black planets. Like Celestial Lions. Who have decent lore and are kinda cool, but for some reason are not featured at all.

>>98891936
Slavery in the imperium would be logical

>>98891937
The Primarch's geneseed would override their genetics, if you had a black aspirant become a raven guard they would turn into an albino white guy. Same for Salamanders.

I hate middlehammer ork skin

>>98891948
not how it works

>>98891944
Slavery in the Imperium would be redundant

>>98891937
A bunch of pasty nerds in Nottingham trying to write specifically black/asian cultures is likely to end badly. You can end up like Marvel depicting spear-chucker stereotypes with a straight face, trying to be empowering.

>>98891944
Do you understand what the word serf means

>>98891972
Yea I’m agreeing with you

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>>98891966

I don't buy it. Just educate yourself, or you know, actually talk to someone from that culture. T. Researches other cultures to be racist more accurately

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>>98891113
actually their infantry is extremely good, like genuinely S tier, subductors are bonkers good. I think the problem with agents was actually not the book itself but the marketing. If GW had marketed the book as "the home for all your allies" instead "the first entirely new faction for 10th edition" the disappointment would have been significantly less. the problem is GW is weirdly incompetent at everything. like, STRANGELY bad at everything business related. if you have ever watched the sound continuously cut out of their live streams you understand how bad they are at everything that isn't art.

So... no one told their marketing team "sell this as a bonus supplement". So the marketing team marketed it as a full army. To a noob in marketing who doesn't play the game and understand allies how are they supposed to know its only meant to be in army in the most vague, casual u supported, bonus extra fun sense and not actually a serious project?

Then compound the fact they are bad at writing rules AND squatting an entire army in Deathwatch and you get an absolute disaster.

>>98891932
hm... I think I'm going to have to disagree on that one...

>>98891979
That works if you're writing about actual real life cultures and histories, but when you start inventing specifically black planets where we keep all the black people you can't really avoid being seen as a racist piece of shit company. It's not defensible as realistic, it just caters to the preferences of a particular part of the audience. Humanity spread across the stars and decided to segregate where they settled? The particular biomes were all far more uniform than Earth and eliminated all but a single race?

The collectors edition of the Custards codex is kino but it's smaller than a sheet of paper.

>>98892001
>you can't really avoid being seen as a racist piece of shit company
By people looking to invent reasons to see you as a racist piece of shit company.

>>98891982
>infantry is extremely good
They still lack serious anti-vehicle options. SoB have the same problem, but at least SoB have the Vahlgons crutch keeping them standing on one leg.
3+ saves and 4+ invuln saves do not make me like your unit either.
Having lots of infantry also makes the cost problem more evident. Needing to buy 1 $70-90 tank vs needing to buy 2 $60 boxes of infantry for the same point cost compounds more and more the larger the army you're playing.

Agents genuinely just need an actual roster with actual units (Repressors for the Arbites would be a good start), or to be a supplement to any Imperium army like you said. This "half of both" approach is the source of the problem.

If they went all-in on the supplement side, that could even open the way for Chaos and Xenos equivalents to actually have things like Demiurg and Gue'vesa auxiliaries for Tau, Ork Genestealers returning and Chaos Xenos being represented in-game.

>>98891936
>they would have massive vitamin D deficiencies
It does not. Inuits have dark skin and don't suffer from vitamin D deficiencies.

>>98891553
>new crisis suits
>not a redone FUCKING DEVILFISH

those molds still have a 2001 copyright stamp on them. good lord

>hazardous rolls on both the guns and movement of T5 vehicles

this codex sounds like it's going to be another clunky fucking nightmare that's going to be re-written during the edition.

How much of a beta male you have to be to like vtubers

>>98892024
Inuits live on a flat plane of ice. They have all the sun.

>>98892027
I guarantee the Basilisk is going to make it through this edition; it's so "not good" that I think GW will just forget about it when they go through the guard list
1995 vintage on that sprue. Eldar vehicles likely to stay as well, 1997 for them.

There are many ways to explain black people on basically any planet in 40k but GW does not like to think so their stupid fucking star wars planets with only one biome manage to have modern day american demographics despite migration being something that happens to you and not something you choose to do in the imperium

>>98891718
>Classic Space Wolf Vikings on top
>twink black bois on the bottom

Did Tariq Nasheed make that picture?

>>98892023
>They still lack serious anti-vehicle options. SoB have the same problem
I find this so strange. For years SoB just kept up in the never ending codex creep due to their easy access of Meltaguns and Flamers.
Seeing Meltas and flamer be such an ass weapon hurts

/40kpol/… It’s the biggest piece of dog shit that I’ve ever seen

>>98891982
>subductors are bonkers good
>Have previously told they are do nothing infantry
Which is accurate? Or are they just bad in SoB specifically?

>>98892038
The earthshaker is the final bastion of cool angry skulls, holding out eternal against the ravening hordes of boring anatomically correct skull eagles

And honestly I wouldn't like to see a redesign of the devilfish, or the chimera or the wave serpent, all I want is an updated mould so it's not all ageworn and actually fits together
Some accessories and gubbins in the vast empty spaces on the sprues would be nice, but I'd go without if it means we keep those lovely designs

>>98892023
>If they went all-in on the supplement side, that could even open the way for Chaos and Xenos equivalents to actually have things like Demiurg and Gue'vesa auxiliaries for Tau, Ork Genestealers returning and Chaos Xenos being represented in-game.
But that would require GW to do something actually cool, which is utterly impossible.

They should also let auxiliaries use the main army rule, or get their own real army rule, none of this "the army rule is they can be allied in" bullshit. I can at least kind of understand why card games do this monofaction gimping because they put out so many different units that it probably makes balancing easier but in warhammer with a fraction of the number of units that's really no excuse.

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>>98892047
They do it to insult their player base and beat them down mentally so as to be approving of wildling behavior, it’s abhorrent.

>>98892029
>They have all the sun.
Not for 10 months of the year during winter. Arctic summer is retardedly short.

>>98892023
>selling rules without models
I hear the last person to suggest that is still hanging from the sigmarine at nottingham

>>98892087
They do this all the time in old world still

>>98892081
>They do it to insult their player base and beat them down mentally
This is only a problem if you waste your time reading dogshit that is black library.
I am physically incapable of feeling sympathy or empathy for such retards.

>>98892062
a devilfish/hammerhead that doesn't need an actual hammer to fit the pieces together would be a good start.

it's mostly a datasheet issue with them though. a 1 shot big gun with a storm bolter defense weapon isn't keeping up with the current datasheets of other tanks.

>>98892050
Flamers are still good, but SoB flamers are not the new flamers so they're a downgrade from marine ones. If Dominions got the SoS treatment (even still relying on the Immolator splits) they'd be a top-tier unit in current meta.
Meltas are a casualty of the units you'd use meltas on getting powercreep in the toughness stat, coinflip invuln saves and too much movement on units you'd shoot with them. Making them s10 for SoB (like marines have on theirs) would help, but the t3 bodies holding them would still die instantly to the retaliation if you don't wipe your opponent's unit.
>>98892062
I put together a Chimera recently, it's from 2010. The ramp for the troop compartment needed a good bit of filing to fit all together because of mould issues. I can't imagine a 31 year old kit being easily assembled if a 16 year old one is already struggling that bad.
I've said it before, I want the Russ and Chimera to get refreshed (as in new moulds) retaining as much of the old design aesthetic as possible. A redesign would take the wind out of my sails for my childhood army.
>>98892068
>that would require GW to do something actually cool, which is utterly impossible
True.

GW already struggles to balance things in the same faction, they are deathly allergic to doing math or testing their game before releasing it.

>>98892107
>it's from 2010
Isn't that just the hellhound upgrade sprue? I was sure the chimera itself was a 90s sculpt

>>98892107
>GW already struggles to balance things in the same faction, they are deathly allergic to doing math or testing their game before releasing it.
I hate these retarded pissbabies so much. Literally the only task people are asking you to do is play the game you are making and make it not boring to play, it should not be this hard.

>>98892127
A lot of the issues stem from removing FoC and the super strange idea that weapons gain different stats when someone else is holding them.

>>98892120
The current Chimera is from 2010. The sprue says 2010 on it.
The model itself is unchanged from 1995, so yes the sculpt is 31 years old; that's why you still get the Basilisk walkways in a Chimera kit. It was re-moulded in 2010 based on the 1995 sculpt, so we're both correct.
>>98892127
GW treats the tabletop like it's a live service video game, and that's the source of a lot of these problems.
>constant intentional meta shifts with "time in the sun" reasoning
>sporadic updates
>using the playerbase as your QA
>discontinuing the old thing and making it impossible to get to
This last one caveats with "legally, at least." Luv Waha, simple as.

>>98892107
>I want the Russ and Chimera to get refreshed
The basically already did that. The Rogal Dorne and the new M3 Halftrack. The Russ and Chimera are on borrowed time. I bet they don't exist in 12th edition.

>>98892136
I don't mind either particularly much but it would be easier to balance without ig. Force organization, while annoying to me at first, does have some charm to it in hindsight and it could definitely help with the huge skewing we have now.
>>98892141
>constant intentional meta shifts with "time in the sun" reasoning
They actually do this on purpose?
>using the playerbase as your QA
And they also don't even have the decency to distribute the digital rules competently.

>>98892144
The Dorn is "heavy tank sitting at long distance," the Russ is "medium tank running aggressively forward" but also every other role a tank is in the guard.
The Centaur is "light transport with next to no armament," the Chimera is "heavy transport to support infantry that came up in it."

The Russ alone can't be replaced unless GW gives the Dorn 5 more turret options and halves its point cost.

>>98891578
Oh God I'm so sorry. So were you born like it, or was there an accident?

>>98892154
>They actually do this on purpose?
Yea, it's to incentivize WAACfags and shitters to buy new armies instead of just new units to piecemeal into their existing armies.
WAACfags because they only care about winning
Shitters because they lose a bunch with their armies and say "it's the tool's fault, not the user" and believe they would win if they bought the fotm army (they're usually right to a degree).
>And they also don't even have the decency to distribute the digital rules competently
Paywalling your rules and never telling people when they were changed is fine, what could you possibly mean? :^)

Yea the app situation is fucked, everything about it is anti-player and bad. The only boon I'll give to the app is that it's easier to use your phone than to dig through a book quickly.

>>98891595
God hand is better.

>>98892157
I mean eldar have what,
1 Artillery tank
1 sit at a distance and direct fire tank with a single gun
2 heavy transports.
2 flavors of sentinel.
1 Artillery emplacement with 3 guns.

You can definitely cut the leman russ and half the vehhicles guard have without problems other than guard whining that they don't have 5x more vehicles than everybody.

>>98892178
>The only boon I'll give to the app is that it's easier to use your phone than to dig through a book quickly.
I honestly find the index at the end to be more useful than the app, much easier to navigate instead of jumping through menus. For digital rules, I just use wahapedia where everything's on a single page collated together.

>>98892154
>They actually do this on purpose?
Well during 6/7th edition the Eldar Wraith Knight was intentionally made undercoated for its abilities.
Design team want to remove things to make it cheaper, but some corpo said to make it cheaper but keep all the abilities.
There is a history of making shit intentionally broken. The thing is GW after 4th lost a lot of the guys that actually had an idea about how to make rules so how good this thing end being is not always the result GW expected.
Something new is overpower? probably is intentional specially if it is too cheap point wise for what it does.

>>98892178
>Shitters because they lose a bunch with their armies and say "it's the tool's fault, not the user"
I got so many cheap models when GSC got that odd 70%ish winrate in a single event during 9th if I recall correctly

>>98892220
The only units that aren't a waste of points on the table right now for guard are tanks; we don't have enough orders to go around for them as-is, but they're all costed like they have every order available at all times. Indirect fire weapons are a coinflip at best, and that's before counting invuln saves, so they're largely ignored. HWS are too squishy to do anything but be a mental deterrent for deepstrike. Infantry are too soft all-around unless they're named "Bullgryn Squad."
We don't need to be cutting *anything* unless we get
>Hippogriff Commander
>Sentinel Commander
>Basilisk Commander
AND a new aggressive tank to sit in the role of "damage-dealer but also able to take damage" that the Russ Battle Tank/Demolisher do. The Hippogriff is too squishy and too fast to take this role, the Dorn is too slow and too big and wants to sit back due to its armaments.

Getting rid of the Russ would be an entire redesign of the guard.

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>>98891341
Out of time and ideas, so it's a messy model with worse glow, and isn't very spooky unless you're scared by the English, but here is my October collage submission.

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Guys. Who is this soul that's going to start a civil war with the Marines?

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>>98892247
I really miss proper reference.
Also I really hate that weapons now are not universal.
Flamer is a flamer regardless if it is a marine, sister, guardsmen, eldar or ork using it

>>98892277
Oops meant for >>98892238

>>98892263
>Guard ask for 3 more units in exchange for one tank
Sounds a lot of entitled whining to me. Guard players are as bad as space marines when it comes to entitlement.

>>98892271
My Inquisitor Kirito OC can beat a Custodian

>>98892294
>1 unit does lots of things
>if you remove that 1 unit, you need to give things to fill those roles or else you end up making a massive hole in the army
>guardfags are just entitled
At least you know you're a disingenuous cockroach of a man.

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>>98891341
my submission

>>98892266
try again, back up with your camera a bit

>>98891065
>TQ
I bought all 4 assassins because they looked cool, planning to get an Exaction Squad
I don't know if I'll ever play these guys, they just looks really cool

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>>98892346
Xeno Force could be a solution. 4 models vs the world could easily work.

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>>98891341
repostin' just to make sure

>>98892309
Speaking of disingenuous cockroaches here we have someone pretending that there aren't like 50 different tanks available to the guard and that there's no redundancy in the army whatsoever.
I know guard don't lose models or unit choices in codices but this looks really stupid if you look beyond your own book. Thankfully guardfags are pretty much the same anywhere you go on the internet.

>>98892364
>50 different tanks
>look inside
>its just the same 3 tanks with different guns
What are you talking about exactly?
I honestly doubt you are counting Leman russ with cannon as a totally different thing than Leman russ with brrrt gun.

>>98892178
>Yea, it's to incentivize WAACfags and shitters to buy new armies instead of just new units to piecemeal into their existing armies.
I mean... I guess that... kind of makes sense...
>Paywalling your rules and never telling people when they were changed is fine, what could you possibly mean? :^)
Don't forget paywalling them multiple times, making them difficult to cross-reference, and having said paywalled rules contradict themselves and be a buggy mess to boot.
>The only boon I'll give to the app is that it's easier to use your phone than to dig through a book quickly.
It really should be so easy. Like the part where all your available stratagems are laid out by phase is perfect. If only the rest of it could also be competently done...
>>98892247
>The thing is GW after 4th lost a lot of the guys that actually had an idea about how to make rules
Mass layoffs or something?
>>98892277
Flamers and maybe melta weapons are the only thing this works for though, and even that is kind of dubious. Marines are going to carry bigger bolters than sisters. A hulking ork is going to swing a sword far harder than a wiry banshee. Eldar in general are going to use different, magical, and probably better shit in their heat based weapons. Everyone makes their chainswords differently. And that's just the lore problems. Universalizing weapon stats causes even more problems on tabletop, honestly, and is going in the opposite direction of good balance. Doing so makes it far more difficult to have each faction be good at the niche that draws in their players while also making them suitably worse at other stuff to compensate.

>>98891553
It's bullshit but I believe it.

>>98891553
I've been hearing those same basic rumors for multiple editions now. What makes you think this time will be different?

>>98891357
I've mentioned this before, but why is it that women who are into tabletop games always present themselves as obsessive experts who have been playing since alpha and have won every tournament ever? They're never just normal, regular people

>>98892385
>Mass layoffs or something?
No, original crew mostly fuck off to do other things. The few old guard that stay clearly needed the other guys to at least guide them
>A hulking ork is going to swing a sword far harder than a wiry banshee.
Ah you have not seen how older weapons worked?
For example Sword was S User AP3. What it made the difference was the user.
Ork would be S4 A2 so the sword would end being a S4 AP3 A2
Banshee was S3 A5 soo S3 AP3 A5. Same weapon very different use cases.
Guns worked rather similar
Plasma guns the main difference was the user. Plasma gun being hold by a marine hitting on 3+ vs a guardsmen hitting on 4+ made a massive difference.
Since plasma used to explode having the gun on body with a Sv3+ vs one with Sv5+.
Also Bolters in marines hands and humans hands are not that different to justify an entire stat line. There is a reason why Bolters used to have Pistol, Storm, Bolter and Heavy Bolter versions.
Adding a variation of Bolter for humans and marines forces the game to add another variation for their smaller and bigger versions too. Adding complexity for complexity sake with no real added benefit.

>>98892385
>A hulking ork is going to swing a sword far harder than a wiry banshee.
If only there were some kind of statistics that captured a model's Strength... Hmmm... I think this might be an insurmountable problem...

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>>98892436
I find it so strange that GW still uses those model for their publication.
The models are not great, but they are not as bad as those images show

>>98892428
>Ah you have not seen how older weapons worked?
>For example Sword was S User AP3. What it made the difference was the user.
>Ork would be S4 A2 so the sword would end being a S4 AP3 A2
>Banshee was S3 A5 soo S3 AP3 A5. Same weapon very different use cases.
>>98892429
So it's additive? That works fine. That's still an entirely different thing than "a weapon is the same no matter who uses it"(a dumb idea).

Adding individual stats to weapon stats to create a suitably unique profile that's easily read does seem way better though, yeah. I presume they moved away from this to bloat codexes more and make thicker books to justify the insane prices.

Why do people get into this series literally known for the term grimdark, then go "oh, oh my heckin yikes, they killed civilians, including children? That's too much for me"
I see it a lot.

>>98892445
Can’t beat perfection.

>>98891553
Can mostly corroborate from loose lipped goons, though we may have the same source

>>98892453
i never seen this before. i think you’re just making enemies in your head to fight

>>98892453
Because GW portrays them that way unironically in a lot of their secondary media.

I don't care who is in the hobby as long as they paint their minis and shower regularly enough
Also anyone got some homebrew rules for exodite models? I keep looking at dinosaurs and saying that'd be cool as fuck for a weapons platform

>>98892428
In their race to the bottom to make the game as easy as possible for people to play, GW has created issues with balancing and faction flavor that didnt exist before. Yeah, before 9th ed its generally to say 40k was never balanced, but now the flaws with their current philosophy on stats and statlines are really showing themselves.

To use that anon's own example, yeah, an Ork has always hit harder than a Banshee. But a Banshee attacked QUICKER, and with the Initiative stat Eldar would often ensure the attacked before slower, stronger enemies like Orks. A Banshee would also be more proficient with their melee weapons than an Ork, so it was harder for the Ork to hit an Eldar in melee than it would be for them to hit something like a space marine.

Now with the statlines since 8th edition its more likely that whoever gets the charge will just pick up the other unit. The game as it plays out on the table is really uninteresting now and leave armies that traditionally relied on being fast and lithe as just being weak punching bags.

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>>98892413
>why is it that women who are into tabletop games always present themselves as obsessive experts who have been playing since alpha and have won every tournament ever?
Because it lets them claim authority and their moral system encourages dishonesty when it gains their ideology power. It's fundamentally like lying for Jesus if the bible had a clause actively encouraging it.

Everyone hates 50/50 invuln saves on everything especially when you use a low shot but high S, AP, D, Giga cannon. Instead I've seen the idea floating around that invulns be changed to reduce AP like AoC. So using those new rules, athing with a 2+ 2++ works like this: Against Ap1,2 it saves on 2+. Against Ap 5 it saves on a 5+. 4+ 2++ would have AP1,2 save on 4+ while Ap 3 saves on 5+. I feel like that's a better way to represent extremely armoured units. Invulns representing things like void shields and the like is better represented in wound roll manipulation IMO.

>>98892413
I've never encountered a female one of these guys.

>>98892479
The Islam has a clause for that. Well, one of the hadiths that is accepted by both sunni and Shia does.

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>arms mounted on flats
>interchangeable head
hell yeah

>>98892451
>"a weapon is the same no matter who uses it"(a dumb idea).
Have you ever used a weapon?
A pistol is a pistol regardless who uses it. Same with a sword.
The difference is mostly behind the skill of the user.
Guy training every day with the same pistol will shoot it better than the new guy, but the damage will be the same. Main difference will be how reliable they damage something
Sword same thing, the edge will cut you regardless but using it properly will make the difference.
Also there is an example of weapons. If you looked at for example an Autocannon it would be the same Autocannon if a marine, ork, tau, eldar, ganger, sister, guard or necron hold it. granted some didn't have the weapon like the necrons, but if necron got hold of an autocannon it would be the same
As a result if a random said I'm shooting my Autocannons you would know exactly what the fuck the gun is going to do and at best worry about the hit roll and maybe some special rule like the Tau marker lights.
Is not like you can't make variants, but when you hear Autocannon you expect the 48" S7 AP4 Heavy 2, just because the Autocannon is on a Defilar or a truck it should not change its stat line.

I miss looted vehicle rules. I wish they'd quit removing faction flavor for balancing shit they'll just nerf 2 weeks later

>>98892486
I think replacing invulns with FNP might be an interesting idea

>>98892486
Some le ebin heroes can have it but when regular unnamed infantry gets 4++ it's shit. I can damage a super heavy tank but good like killing one guy.

>>98892475
I still play 3rd/4th from time to time and the random I5 power weapon my GSC with 3 attacks on a charge really surprises I4 or armies

>>98892326
Are we allowed to submit models more than once?

>>98892490
IIRC that clause is for lying about your faith specifically. I.e. you can pretend not to be a Muslim to avoid persecution. Though whether it's applied that way is another story.

>>98892496
Thats most eldar models desu, pray Jes and one of his last gifts

>>98892524
Do GSC have 4th edition rules? Can I have them?

>>98892059
they are the best tar pitters for cost in the game

>>98892475
Initiative specifically is a good mechanic and it's kind of baffling that they dropped it, and now the way fight order is handled is so fucking bad...

>>98892500
I don't think you have used a weapon lol >>98892500
>A pistol is a pistol regardless who uses it. Same with a sword.
Again, a guy who is 8 feet tall and 600+ pounds is going to use a bigger gun and sword than a normal-ass human.

Swords particularly are a terrible example because people skill directly translates into raw damage due to superior edge alignment and technique producing a deeper cut, though even guns can be viewed similarly because someone with better aim will hit a more lethal spot.
>>98892500
>Just because the Autocannon is on a Defilar or a truck it should not change its stat line.
You just restated your "point" without refuting anything I said. Lorewise this is retarded because every faction has their gear made by different people. Gamewise this is retarded because every faction needs to have different stats to be unique and fun. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

>>98892537
Citadel journal 40 and 41 and imperial guard regimental doctrines.
Those are the official ones. I used a mix of the journal and generic doctrines to mimic a 9th gac army

>>98892500
>just because the Autocannon is on a Defilar or a truck it should not change its stat line

>implying guns on different vehicles can't be different sizes/gauges
>implying a defiler couldn't have for eg. Chaos infused rounds
Not the abon you're arguing with but your imagination seems a little limited my friend.

>>98892568
>Again, a guy who is 8 feet tall and 600+ pounds is going to use a bigger gun and sword than a normal-ass human.
In reality yes but this is warhammer where a bolt gun is a bolt gun and a chainsword is a chainsword no matter who uses it.

>>98892554
Try explaining Initiative to a 10th edition baby and you'll see very quick why GW thought they had to get rid of it.

>>98892568
>Again, a guy who is 8 feet tall and 600+ pounds is going to use a bigger gun and sword than a normal-ass human.
Ah I'm in reddit territory.
All your point are refuted if you played 40k and not Nu 40k.
The same exact weapon for everyone did not turn everyone into a slob.
Or you going to say sister and marines are the exact same thing because their boltguns are both 24" S4 AP5 Rapid1?

>>98892578
Not enough to be relevant at a wargame level.
Not even historical go this autistic for slightly different guns.

>>98892580
That is explicitly not what happens in warhammer.
>>98892588
Too complicated?

>>98892599
They have a different statline between human and astartes boltguns. It's up to GW how relevant they want it to be.

>>98892620
>That is explicitly not what happens in warhammer
How would you know? You own no models and haven't played a single match. You watch AI genned lore shorts and think that makes you a part of this hobby

>>98892631
Alright settle down hall monitor

>>98892271
Valdor

>>98892620
>Too complicated?
>Initiative
In 9th edition players complained about having trouble understanding Fights First and Fights Last mechanics so they had to get rid of Fights Last and that was way simpler than initiative.

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>>98892631
>resorting to writing fanfiction this quickly
I mean I didn't exactly expect this to be hard but you really just gave up huh?

Anyways, screenshot of the sister's codex readily available in this very thread which tells you outright that Sisters use their own version of bolter. Maybe if you actually had read any of the codexes you would have known that already.

>>98892534
I meant more that it wasn't like a special character where the shoulder is molded into the paulron which is part of the chest attached to a leg

>>98892686
Show me the pre-8th statlines on both boltguns.

>>98892676
>be GW
>makes one of the most autistic games on the planet for people who are willing to sit at a table and roll dice for hours on end for fun
>still decides to dumb down rules "to make the game more accessible" o algo
>still refuses to make the game more accessible for the actual target demo by not raising prices every single year

truly a fascinating company

>>98892696
So at first you were arguing that the modern statlines must be wrong because weapons should all be the same, and now you want to argue that because the statlines were the same in the past that means that that's the proper way to do things.

Sounds like you don't have any actual reasoning at all and are just want things to be the way they were "back in the good old days." Why don't you get off the damn computer and go outside for once instead gramps?
Or you can continue writing fanfiction about anonymous strangers online and ranting about "back in my day." It's your life I guess.

>>98892702
It's always maddening when they try to "streamline the game" by removing fun and flavorful options and mechanics. Like, it's still nowhere close to being any kind of simple or elegant. It's always going to be a cumbersome game to play with long play times for casual players. If people are going to play 4 hour games they might as well have fun moment-to-moment experiences and not just a nebulous victory to inch towards point by arbitrary point.

>>98892719
>So at first you were arguing that the modern statlines must be wrong because weapons should all be the same
Different person dipshit

So is this decalfag arguing or is there another lost redditor?

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>>98892570
Thanks, GW please buff Magus

>>98892720
>If people are going to play 4 hour games they might as well have fun moment-to-moment experiences
Which is why Old World and Battletech are superior games to modern 40k which just feels like a competitive boardgame rather than a wargame

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>>98892696
Ntab why are you so autistic to keep up this pointless bickering about different weapon profiles? You've been going on about this for some time now
>Black Crusade published 2011
>different stats for human and astartes boltguns
Inb4
>n-not the wargame!
Don't care bitch nigger still official GW

>>98892453
Why won't GW/BL show space marines torching an orphanage in graphic detail because a Nurgling was found in a crib eating babies?

What am I supposed to do with 14 leftover genestealer heads?

>>98892722
No reason to hop into the conversation unless he's also on that person's side.

Unless this is just a completely new level of "man yells at cloud" but I didn't expect things to be THAT bad

>>98892733
You must not be able to read because theres only one bolter profile there and its for anyone using a boltgun

Fuck youre even dumber than decalfag

>>98892744
Wait holy shit you really do need everything highlighted in red for you. Lmfao

>>98892739
Base decorations for your other armies

>>98892739
Give them to your friends to make base trophies and such.

>>98892740
>No reason to hop into the conversation unless he's also on that person's side.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize your faggot ass gets to decide what conversations I do or dont add to

>>98892744
>theres only one bolter profile there
I don't even know how to argue against this level of blind and stupid. Are we fr?
>Bolter
>Legion Bolter

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Which faction is the saddest and most grief-stricken? Does anyone top the Blood Angels?

>>98892720
GW decision makers are just downies ig. It just boggles the mind.

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>>98892568
>Again, a guy who is 8 feet tall and 600+ pounds is going to use a bigger gun and sword than a normal-ass human.
According to the RPG books, main difference between a marine and non-marine bolter is the quality of construction and ergonomics, but all of them were said to be the same .75 caliber. HH Black Books make plenty of the marine bolters have smaller caliber. So how tiny are non-marine bolters suppose to be? Munitorum Manual indicates bolters have a heavy recoil and require a strong individual to wield one. If bolters for humans were made different, why couldn't they make them usable by all? Besides, bolters predate marines. They were used by humans for thousands of years before marines came to the scene.

>>98892486
They should just replace them with “Shielding X” keyword that gives you a 1 or 2 (whatever works out better in testing,) point damage reduction on a save roll of X. So like Terminators would have “Shielding 4+”
That way they’d still effectively have a invuln save against small saturation attacks on a 4+ but a lascannon or melta will still punch through some damage, think like they’re dissipating some while going through a Bladeguard Vet’s shield.

>>98892752
Well if you are bitching at me for an entirely different reason than the other guy you could at least mention what that reason is. You don't get to hop into an anonymous conversation sounding exactly like someone else, arguing on the same side of the argument as someone else, and then get mad when people assume you are that someone else.

>>98892753
Anon i know you're a zoomer that didnt touch 40k until at least 10th edition, but legion bolters are something else. Space Marines and sisters of Battle used BOLTERS

>>98892752
Ntab yeah you sound like a total bitch and give loser energy
>I'm gonna jump into this convo on one person's side but then claim I wasn't on their side when I start losing that'll show em!

>>98892733
One anon did mention that not even historicals are this autistic.
No one is saying they can't be different in the lore, but mechanics wise there is no reason to make a distinction in a wargame.
On RPG you can have the luxury or even in a small scale game with just 4 models per side, but even then I can't even recall a wargame that does it like nu 40k.
I mean even in WWii the rifles of the Japanese, Americans and Germans are noticeable different, but try to find a wargame where they go into mechanically difference for them in the rules

>>98892755
Eldar

>>98892773
You cannot be this dense dude. Are you actually single digit iq are you just being this tarded on purpose for "le truls"?

>>98892702
>makes one of the most autistic games on the planet
lmao no gw has always been beer and pretzels light gameplay.

>>98892777
Eldar, as sad as they are, would never be suicidally sad like Dante.

>>98892755
The Iron Hands' whole shtick is crippling body dysmorphia and unhealthy coping mechanisms. The Black Rage is more like a degenerative mental illness than a grief process.

>>98892775
Right, just because other wargames don't do it means GW has to step in line? I'm not trying to defend James being stupid, they consistently are, but if they want to buff astartes weapons to make them feel more "superhuman" it's their game and so entirely their prerogative. Who gives a flying fuck what "everyone else" is doing? If your friends all jumped off a cliff...

>>98892753
The difference is +9 vs +5. Mechanically speaking it would only matter versus unarmored target.

>>98892739
Glue them to Genestealers for 2-3 headed versions, alternatively use putty to graft them into some bigger monster.

>>98892759
At best this shows things being a gray area. Marines are always going to get the best stuff in terms of ammo and other qualities, and the same principle still applies to melee weapons(and likely flamers and meltas since marines can carry bigger ones).

I don't even particularly mind if they do make marine bolters and sisters bolters the same, what I do mind is the assertion that they *should* be the same. If they do it for balance reasons, w/e. 40k stats by nature have a low-resolution reflection of the "lore power" of a weapon. But by the same token, there are also plenty of good reasons to make them different for balance reasons, and this guy tarding out about how they all have to be the same has no legs to stand on in either lore or balance.

>>98892774
>>98892769
Wah wah wah nigga go cry about it to someone who cares fucking baby

>>98892786
The fact that you can drink alcohol while doing something does not make it a normie activity. Normies do not want to roll dice and move around tiny statues for hours on end.
>>98892787
Eh.... maybe
>>98892790
He's not necessarily referring to the black rage

>>98892791
No. Making the difference in a D6 system is just retarded, even in D10 D100 like dark heresy the difference is eaten up by the base toughness mechanic.
Game mechanically is not granular enough for the feelings of marine players.

>>98892796
Okay? There's still a difference.

>>98892804
Crying already, completely lost and bitch-made. Baby need his bottle? Maybe you can borrow a diapie off the mutant

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Which color palette do you guys like? Top or bottom. Camera makes the top colors look a little washed. Top supposed to be purple, chartreuse, dark yellow, ochre yellow, then like an off-white, Wraithbone if you will.

>>98892809
You're still missing the point.
There are many many other wargames that are significantly more autistic than 40k.
Games Workshop games have always been light, that its postured as competitive in the last decade is funny but when people post things like its the most autistic or something are very out of touch.

>>98892817
Definitely the bottom for nids. Looks more biological.