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>According to Watch reports, during the Hanseatic Crusade warriors of the Scorpion Empire faced an unusual dilemma. At the final battle of Bremen, the desperate Hanseatics threw everything they had at the invading Clansmen. One Scorpion Seeker Star found itself facing a decrepit lance of the oldest BattleMechs they had ever encountered, including three Phoenix Hawks of incredible age. One Seeker, who specialized in such things, recognized the machines as bearing the distinctive marks of the first Phoenix Hawk production run. What followed was a herding action on the part of the Clan warriors as they sought to capture the machines without destroying them—even reducing themselves at one point to physical combat—while the desperate and deeply confused Hanseatics struggled with their relics against Clan tactics they had never before faced. Two of the Phoenix Hawks were preserved, and to the extreme delight of the Seekers they possessed consecutive serial numbers.What tactics can you use to best preserve an enemy mech in the actual game? Tarcomp leg shots? Kicks? Push into domino effect until the pilot dies from failed seatbelt checks?
>>98920145>The Cats are Fighting edition
>>98920237This sounds almost as bad as the lengths Ghost Bears went to capture teenage mechwarriors alive during the Clan Invasion?As for tactics to preserve an enemy mech? Usually headshot, legs, or flatout knocking out the pilot is the best way.
>>98920237>to the extreme delight of the Seekers they possessed consecutive serial numbers.clanners are autistic?
>>98920374>clanners are autistic?You are only figuring this out just now?
Why is it that Crusader Clans are the ones to produce the cutest sibkos?
>>989202371.Overwhelm enemy mech2.Kick said mech3.????4.Profit
This still needs a bit of work as I need to hunt down all the units people talked about in prior threads that I saved for the exact reason of me being delayed. Probably also some additional lore that needs to be put in the Misc section.I'll post the blank one alongside the updated Roll Charts soon enough. Getting all this setup is pushing me to my limits as I keep getting distracted.Either way, roll charts. Going to use the roll for the Neil bodyguard as an indication of what the Elite units look like, so that ended up being Elite skill Battlemech pilots and Regular skill Aerospace. Going to average those up for Other unit types to be n the Veteran chart.Regular (1d6 for Piloting, 1d6 for Gunnery)>1-2: SR 5>3-4: SR 4>5-6: SR 3Veteran (1d6 for Piloting, 1d6 for Gunnery)>1-2: SR 4>3-4: SR 3>5-6: SR 2Stability (1d20 for each Era after Founding (marked with F))>1: Catastrophic Near-Collapse (---) (Rolling this twice in a row results in Extinct (marked with E if occurs))>2-4: Disastrous (--)>5-8: Below Average (-)>10-12: Average ( 0 )>13-16: Above Average (+)>17-19: Exceptional (++)>20: Golden Era (+++)
Rolled 6 (1d20)>>98920526Fuck it, I'll bite the bullet and start with the first stability roll. Rolling for Clan Invasion Era
Rolled 20 (1d20)>>98920526Guess I'll roll for Civil War?
>>98920631FedCom Civil War era. Clan Invasion is the Founding (F) era and that gets skipped over because it gets into a bit of a special zone because things have to go well enough for the nation to exist, but the establishment of institutions and a nation as a whole means that is naturally going to be a pretty turbulent time. It just doesn't map cleanly to any point on the chart's sliding scale.>>98920659In a similar note, this one will be for the Jihad as well.
>>98920659Well shit... think we peaked early lads?
Rolled 3 (1d20)>>98920526There's still three Republic eras to fuck it up in.
>>98920677>Nukes flying>Everyone happy>Nukes stop flying>Everyone sad
Rolled 2 (1d20)>>98920683Seems like they start off kinda rocky because they're pirates going legit, really find their footing in total war because it's chaotic time where they're free to go nuts and fight and loot to the fullest, and then chafe really hard from the Republic pushing hard to demilitarize everyone.I'd imagine for freedom loving raiders like the Namekians, having Terran spooks backed by practically every other states but a couple holdouts means really bad times for them. >>98920526Anyway, I'll do the next era.
>>98920631>>98920659>>98920677>>98920726This is painting a very interesting picture
>>98920631>Below Average in the era immediately after the foundingPretty normal start.>>98920659>Immediate Golden Age in Jihad>>98920677>Directly followed up by severe instability>>98920726Instability that continues throughout the Republic EraThese feel related. We may have gotten involved with the Wobbies or with members of The Society fleeing the Homeworlds, and then got smacked in the following era hard enough that 50 years on we're still having some big troubles. Even if it wasn't to lethal levels.
Rolled 4, 3 = 7 (2d6)Well lets see if this downward spiral continues to dark age?
Rolled 18 (1d20)>>98920781and I'm a fucking idiot. Rolled for a pilot by mistake.
>Inner Sphere in chaos>Golden times>Inner Sphere in stability>Dark timesThis is flowing together rather beautifully. Starting to think we got Blakists amongst us!
>>98920237>Hello! I am star captain Ian of the bloodname McCollum and welcome back to forgotten mechs!
>>98920804Well he is already a canon character?
>>98920237TSEMP and Mech Tasers
>>98920794That or we just proper when we have free reign to run around doing freebooter shenanigans
>>98920782>Republic falls>Namekians: "we're so fucking back"
Rolled 8 (1d20)>>98920526Let's see what the IlClan is like.
>>98920865>Back to bad times Well we got two periods of fun looting and plundering in us lads!
>>98920659according to my calculations, the right torso missile rack carries a SRM90
I think I see the pattern.The Eras where the Namekians were least prosperous were the ones where Terra was at least trying to act normal.And the Eras where the Namekians were the most prosperous was when Terra did the equivalent of snorting a mountain of cocaine and decided to do something crazy.The question is...why?
>>98920374Anon the entire thing came from Karensky deciding that they needed to larp as tradbased elite warriors.The entire thing is autistic.They probably blast Phonk in their mechs.
>>98920683Realistically I feel like making nukes is probably a better business than making mechs.So many things can go wrong with the sale of a mech.
>>98920939Blakist things
>>98920964>Stabs toe >ANOTHER BLAKIST PLOT
>>98920939Chaos is a ladder
>>98920939>enter thread>see this post>try to figure out how those green guys from Dragonball are relevant
>>98921128>>98920526
>>98921128We randomly generated a periphery realm over the last few threads. Rolling Green and Purple as well as ending up with a culture and religion combo that indicated weebs started Namek shitposting that stuck to make what >>98921154 pointed out.
>>98920374It has ever been thus, newfag.
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98921717>which one of you fucking cunts wants it?
>>98921717>Doesn't post a dragon when honoring the dragonYou disappoint me!
>>98920804>>98920821>he's really into esoteric old Davion mechsI bet he'd own an antique battleaxe
>>98920956>I believe freebirths should not have rightshttps://youtube.com/shorts/rfYiMeLMqxs
>>98921953Well you do find his pics mainly in the House Davion sourcebook?
>>98921953>not a swordsman Bruh
>>98921717Prefer to honour the celestial wisdom tbch
>>98919764I need PGI to stop making elemental-fus before the reprobates start making more wierd cringe MOMMY DOMMY art like picrel. Also, wasn't Aletha Kabrinski from an elemental line? How did she end up as a mechwarrior in a firemoth no less.
>>98922259For reference, here's some assorted kabrinskis
>>98922259>wasn't Aletha Kabrinski from an elemental line?Its a shared line. While most are elementals it also produces aerospace and mechwarriors.
>>98922285PGI's version really does look like she has just walked in on the kids staying up past their bedtime.
What's the current best DFA machine out there?
>>98922401Dropship.
>>98922401I'm pretty sure there's a Turkina with JJs and Talons, so probably that.
>>98922352She's a nice young lady under all the gruff sakhanery... until wobbies blew up Jorgensson, that is.
>>98922509She got constantly tired of all the batchalls asking for a day and night with her in the bedchamber.
>>98922259>I need PGI to stop making elemental-fus before the reprobates start making more wierd cringe MOMMY DOMMY art like picrel.cram it, i like it
>>98922635We really do need more aratech in our lives.
Does anyone have any chaos campaigns they would recommend? I'd like to start at pre clan invasion as I'll be playing with some new players. Also any thoughts on the best way to handle improving gunnery and piloting scores. The chaos campaign rules I've seen have had various costs for this.
>>98922259I still say that's Mora from 0083 and the narrator from G Gundam.
>>98922285>>98922509shes so cute in the cutscenes aaaaaits unBEARable
>>98922259Stop faggot. I don't want "IT'S MAM" 40k Custodes bullshit, and the PGI Elemental was tastefully done, attractive enough but still conveying that she is first and foremost bred for war, so shut your tranny sucking mouth.
>>98923039Teddie, is that you?
>>98923077>I don't want "IT'S MAM" 40k Custodes bullshitAnd I don't want 40k culture war refugees shitting up the /btg/, but here you are.
>>98923077She just need to be bred. War is irrelevant. A woman's purpose is to be a baby incubator whether they're in a uniform or not. Nothing will ever change that.
>>98923039You have been scheduled to be executed by an executioner-prime in the morrow, surat (thanks)
Could the Inner Sphere defeat the Covenant?
>>98923228Probably not. Slipspace drives are waaaaay faster than jumpships. That said, if the covenant bungle it, their shit can be reverse engineered, and they're not unkillable. But they'd have to bungle it pretty hard.
>>98923092>tourists Hey faggot the very game studio is trying to push tranny propaganda, and the old Battletech books have elemental warriors be attractive, keep fucking coping.
>>98922259>>98922982Is this not literally Mora???? Anyways ya safe horny shit is gay and retarded. Just give me actual horny, like hot blonde mechwarrior gals fighting with only panties and a neurohelmet on if you are gonna do this stuff >>98923228Mechs would probably slap the shit out of the covenant on the ground, but the IS would have to jumpstart their warship production again to really tackle them. But fr, the ground war would be a total wash. Assuming it's in the modern era, the IS has no shortage of issues making infantry genocider mechs that move way faster than the covenant has any ability to reasonably counter. The Scarecrow comes to mind just off the top of my head, pretty sure a few of those could wipe an entire legion of covenant infantry out easily. Idk how a spartan laser compares to battletech lasers, but given how well a handheld spartan laser works again covenant armor, I can only assume an IS medium laser would absolutely rape most covenant armor. The singular advantage they'd really have would be their space fleet and slip drives or whatever they are called
>>98923228>inner sphere NO.>star league The extinction of humanity takes even less time than Halo OTL, as the Star League has absolutely no counter to the Covenant's naval mastery. You could pit entire fleets against a single Covenant corvette and that corvette murders everything thrown against it. >groundContrary to popular belief the Covenant aren't incompetent at ground warfare, any incident that doesn't include Spartans is a slaughter for the UNSC, and there is a reason why. Covenant weapons are stupid powerful, with even their lowest rated weapons (Plasma pistol/Plasma grenade) being a critical threat against vehicles. When you start going up to fuel rod and plasma cannon weapons you get into territory that most battletech vehicles will not survive a single turn on tabletop. In Battletech a Plasma Rifle fires a block of plastic and that's enough to equal a PPC and dump 10 heat into a target. Covenant plasma weapons are far, FAR more advanced and their Particle Beam weapons are pure nightmare horror.
>>98923382Settle down, their ships die to a naval gauss rifle, their infantry dies to regular infantry rifles, and their vehicles die to the equivalent of a sniper cannon fired out of a tank.Their advantage is regenerating energy shields (which can be broken by any of the previously mentioned weapons) and being able to FTL inside of gravity wells.
>>98923336>old Battletech booksFiction isn't canon. How the fuck do you think wargames work? GW isn't bound by what some Black Library author wrote, and neither is Battletech.
>>98922285Considering that 1 and 3 are the same time, and 2 is several years later, I think it's reasonably consistent.
>>98922401I mean
>>98923077No I love tall buff women but reddit discovered them in the 2010s and I have to fight off hordes of these cargo-shorts wearing faggots and their mommy issues.>>98923337that's tex (shit be upon him) and some nameless CGB elementress
>>98923454Not to mention that Battletech's weapons are already centered around high volumes of extremely destructive fire. Covenant shields wouldn't be much more survivable than anything in Battletech's universe.>>98923228Everyone seems to forget that Battletech's common infantry weapons are actually pretty damn strong. Personal armor isn't going to keep Inner Sphere troops alive, but their rifles are magnitudes stronger than the standard issue Assault Rifle that the UNSC puts out. Space battles are going to be tough for any Battletech force, though.
>>98923516My boy deserves partial wings and improved JJ.
>>98923336>old books made elementals attractivehuh? They're as attractive a 2+ meter tall human can be. They're bred to be brick shithouses and early versions have a tendency toward incoherent roidrage after a while. So there's a pitbull stigma surrounding them including the general understanding they're not as smart as their mechwarrior kin.The women would sound like men due to enlarged vocal chords and airways, if they have tits, they're probably on the smaller variety, or pancaked due to working out. Now, for the fetish freaks, there's no chance they don't reek like oil, piss, and sweat, by the end of every day.I imagine in general they have the "handsome" features of brock lesnar's daughter except 8 feet tall and weighing 400+ lbs.
Why are we getting raided?
>>98923474>Fiction isn't canon.Art isn't canon, but fiction is, actually.
>>98923689I'm still not sure how I'm supposed to believe Spheroids somehow managed to make elemental armor work for themselves.
>>98923696They didn't. They developed their own armor based on elemental designs captured from clanners. Freebirth anatomy is radically different.
>>98923696I just guessed that Clanners made such a universally good set of equipment that the Elemental armor could be adjusted by hand to fit any (physically fit enough) body type that might need to use it.
>>98923517I suspect they wouldn't even know where the Ghost Bear dommy mommy meme came from even if the actual sourcebook makes them more ara ara types more into kidnapping children.
>>98923685What, something like this? You kind of have to make some concessions and get some clantech in there to do it unfortunately.
How do salvage rights get enforced/claimed... logistically.If I domed a couple dragons owned by the local garrison in Combine space, why would they allow me to come in later and collect my kill? Do salvage crews wait in the wings just off map and swoop in while battles are happening to collect debris or is it more diplomatic galaxy wide where they're allowed special permission after everyone stands down to collect salvage?I'd think you get nothing unless you can defend your dudes as they scoop shit up.
>>98923850If you're raiding to steal stuff, then you will have some kind of logistical support ready to go. If you're just running through to scan for intel or something then no, you aren't getting anything that you can't carry off before you leave the field.
Rolled 3, 2 = 5 (2d6)>>98920526I'm seeing all era rolls but no average skill rolls, I'll do average for regular Mechwarriors
>>98923861>4/5literally the average Mechwarrior, decent enough
>>98923860Since I never see any of this logisitcal support accounted for in campaign rules, I'm assuming there's a whole ass cottage industry dedicated to high pressure salvage. Where all salvage is packed up, and as part of your unit sub contracting cleanup, they take everything to resell you didn't hand pick. Got Periphery Pete's Pick in Pull services running the best damn trucks this side of the mojave cluster.
>>98923869There are rules for external cargo in total warfare and dragging stuff off the field in tacops. Lift hoists are logistical magic. If you plan ahead, a mech recovery vehicle does exactly what it says it does.
>>98923474>the very foundational material isn't canonAre you fucking serious.
>>98923873Aside from dragging things by hand with a mech, it's more narratively engaging to have local contractors clean the field. Then the legal bramble of trying to swipe things personally, when the crew you're employing has exclusive rights. For tax purposes.I know the equipment exists. People just don't add it to their ledgers. I like the idea that you have to defend a salvage crew for a turn or two while they swoop in, attach hoists, and vacate to the nearest edge of the map. Kind of like a series of excavation objectives or kill-confirming in other formats.
>>98923869>logistics You forget that unless there are more forces on a given planet reinforcements can take days if not weeks to arrive, and you aren't going to send your valuable mech techs and logistic vehicles while the local garrison is still shooting at you.
>>98923889in all fairness, games don't play like any rational force would ever act. Stand up fights to the death would be rare and retarded for anyone but the defenders. But somehow 90% of conflicts result in pilot deaths. Even though mechs are rare but the meat isn't we still rush headlong into "fair fights" when a successful corp should really just survive the blinds and only field units for sure things.
>>98923892>to the deathActually the opposite, surrenders and forced withdrawal is a core component of the game and lore, in addition the "space feudalism" background means that ransoming Mechwarriors and even Mechs (why you can sell mechs back to their faction no questions asked) and as mercenaries every faction has a "it's just business" mentality with a few notable exceptions (ELH/Draconis Combine) and outside of blatant warcrimes or other atrocities you could be working with the very same nation you were shooting at a month prior.
>>98923689Obvious tranny
>>98923454I'd also add in that the sheer physical gap between the average Inner Sphere Soldier and the various races of the Covies. Obviously Spartans can body Elites and Brutes when they're on a roll, but both of those species are still arguably in the same league when it comes to their physical capabilities. Add onto the fact that Grunts are a lot scarier when you're not a 7 foot tall autistic super soldier, and any conventional fight between the infantry is going to be not fun to deal with. I do wonder how Elementals match up strength wise though.
>>98923881This is why the 40k refugees aren't welcome in this space and need to be gatekept back out of the fan base.
40k is better because you can actually hit what you shoot at. At least Alpha Strike occasionally lets you land hits at further than point blank range. Battletech is shit by comparison. Just let the game die. It's too old to be good.
So what is in store for the Combine in the ilclan era? Absolute brutal ass spanking from the Rasalhague Dominion I presume?
>>98923517>imagecall me a shark because im diamonds
>>98923696Initially, Spheroids using elemental armor took an immediate one-point hit to every suit because they weren't gene-tailored to use the suit but could still use captured suits.
Which clan is the most autistic? And why is it Goliath Scorpion?
>>98924347That's only cause the Jags went and made themselves extinct!
>>98923998The books ARE canon you fucking moron tourist.
Only things I like are canon.
>>98924356The Jags' epitaph: “too autistic to survive”The most clan-like of all clans (omega-tism and perpetual monke mode )Goliath Scorpion are like tech-autists obsessing about the SLDF, Jags are just the drooling retarded autists who are sent to a psychiatric hospital
>>98923738I tried my own hand at a Highlander with IJJs. I tried to make it as related to a regular Highlander 732 otherwise, but I did end up sacrificing a few things, like dropping an ML and making the armor thinner at 16 tons standard. The most radical change was dropping the LRM and SRM for a combined total of 15 MML tubes, but I think it works. I thought about dropping the Gauss for a Rotary AC/5 to shift some of the tonage elsewhere, but that felt wrong to take away.
Hey they are making battletech models now!
>>98924391That's good, I needed another Pixie LAM for my next game
>>98923717Is there fluff on this? Only elementals in fluff I'm aware of are fetladral and victor S-D's pet smoke jaguar woman.For picrel, I'm surprised to see rasalhague dominion still running solahma in the 3100s, they relaxed on a lot of things but old vat babies still need to die in battle in a rather peaceful republic, I suppose.
>>98924634Have fun with the mental images anon.
>>98924676I am so stunned that the lady that killed a comstar guy by going into roid rage and shattering his spine by throwing him against a wall and pre-traumatizing månsson kidnapped some swede goys.If an elemental takes a mechwarrior bondsman though, I assume they work back into the clan's MW ranks?
>>98924721>If an elemental takes a mechwarrior bondsman though, I assume they work back into the clan's MW ranks?Depends on the Clan and the individual that is taken. It is not unheard of for some to be immediately accepted as pilots straight away.
Hey guys, just got the new updated rule book. Cant say im too happy about Battlefield Support fucking over my infantry. What do?
>>98925052Continue using TW for non-mechs until they come out with full rules.
Battlefield support is one of the worst ideas I've seen in a miniatures game, it's kind of shocking. I get it for off map assets, but for totally normal shit people use all the time like vehicles and battle armor it's crazy.
>>98925201I've still never met a single person who uses it. The players who only wanted mech deathmatch still play contextless mech deathmatch and everyone else uses the older rules (at least for the units, but there's a small group who won't move on to the newer rules at all).
>>98925201The only rannoying thing about vehicles is rolling on motive system damage table all the time, and tracking a bunch of cumulative penalties. If that's considered a serious problem then the solution would just be to change how motive system damage works, not "delete the tank rules" and its a completely independent system so it wouldn't even require much fiddling. Battle armor are not complicated at all so it makes even less sense there.
>>98925222 (me)Actually, I remember one guy saying he was going to use it for conventional infantry because the damage model of them being mostly fine until they break or die seemed better than TW infantry, but I haven't actually played with him or in a location he was also playing at to know if he's followed through.
>>98925246Thr whole concept seems to be an elaborate, time wasting attempt to shirk the task of fully updating the main rules, even when theyd be mostly copy and paste, they'd rather do backflips to invent an entire reason why its no longer necessary to do that work than actually do it. It's in line with the generally lazy vibe CGL gives off.
>>98925246It may be a hot take but for ground vehicles it should be you are mobile or your are not. With maybe 2 levels the first being a skill check to get back moving again(making driving a useful skill for non hover vehicles) and the second permanent immobility.
>>98925399It should be like gyro/engine hits with pips and when a vehicle has 3 it's MP is zero.
>>98925484That would work too
>>98923382>Contrary to popular belief the Covenant aren't incompetent at ground warfareThey got completely bodied by one dude, they are absolutely incompetent by any objective measure. Their sci fi weapons are objectively worse than modern military equipment.
>>98925558Don't even start.
>>98925484I would do like:>cruise only +2 driving>half cruise +4 driving>immobile
>>98924366Yeah. I was agreeing with you, and disagreeing with the 40k refugee.
>>98924676I am 100% envisioning a star of Elemental mommies breeding that twink.
>>98925896>I-I n-need an adult!>I am an adult little boy! Ara ara!
Can we get a Kapteyn Academy progress report to improve the thread quality?
>>98920526where is that record sheet from?
>>98923454>>98923517retard
>>98925052Where are these elementals from?
>>98924391Huh, it just occurred to me, they never did use the 1J for anything in Battletech, did they? The Stinger and Crusader or based on the 1A and the rest are 1S.
>>98924162What are those three things on the Proserpina Hussars logo supposed to be, again? Are they those fucked up carnivorous shellfish that carry the plague?
>>98923944I think she's just roided up to her eyeballs. Which, you know, isn't too far off from an ftm, but I guess it's a different mindset.
redpill me on ACES, is this shit any good?
>>98925052Our group is just using TW for everything that isn't a mech, so we'll just continue doing that until CGL gives us new rules to work with.
>>98926702Smoke Jaguar
>>98926801Do you think catalyst knows they f***ed up with the Battle support system?
>>98927080Does someone have to explain to you what "optional" rules are or can you figure it out on your own?
>>98925889Oh, sorry. The absolute braindead decision of GW to say "everything and nothing is canon" completely breaks any setting you could do, it allows malicious actors to completely upend the franchise solely for political reasons. Gatekeeping is needed, but be careful we can't afford to drive away new players.
>>98923961>elementalsGet fucking slaughtered. UNSC powered armor was actually really fucking advanced, with ODST's rocking Nighthawk+ since the 23rd century. The more advanced armor was limited only by power supply, and had to be used by the Spartans own trainers after their augmentation to keep them from getting pulped by 13 year olds. The Mark 1 was capable of 32kph, carrying 2 tons, and had mounts that could take heavy weapons such as a 30mm autocannon or a missile launcher. All of this meant absolutely nothing to the Covenant, shit like Concussion Rifles, Beam Rifles, Focus Rifles, Plasma Casters, Fuel Rod Guns, and even "lesser" weapons are capable of killing these suits in a handful of hits. Meanwhile shit like Brutes and Elites can throw vehicles around if they get pissed.
>>98927354Obviously Mighty Mouse could beat up Superman. He has the same strength but applied across a smaller area, so his punches could cut through Superman.
>>98927369Actually no, Mighty Mouse is limited to under the speed of sound.
>>98927354Brutes and elites die to pistol caliber rounds.
>>98927354Sounds more like a Tornado.The actual advantage of those suits is the regenerating energy shield that's probably worth about 5 points of damage and recharges on any round where it doesn't get hit. That's a powerful advantage, but the suit is still rocking just an armored glove. The UNSC has a distinct disadvantage with energy weapons, being limited mostly to specialized lasers. The spartan laser is like a support laser. Certainly not nothing, but BT infantry carries a far wider variety of weapons with similar output.
>>98927387Yeah, ones that are rated to modern elephant guns with super high explosive filler.
>>98927426No.
>>98927405>odstsDon't pack shields. That's only Mjolnir, and only the Mk IV (modified) and MkV onwards. >spartan laser Easily large laser or large pulse laser. The range, power output and sheer effect on target is more powerful than the M808's gun, though not in splash damage. The problem with Battletech is that the tech ceiling is really fucking low, meanwhile Halo has full on science fantasy elements, with the UNSC keeping pace with the Foreunners, whose weapons are so busted it's not even worth talking about.
>>98927459>spartan laser>Easily large laser or large pulse laser.That's genuinely retarded
>>98927456>posts the smgBruh
>>98927480SMGs are defined by their use of pistol caliber ammo.
>>98927459That's really more of a result of an FPS allowing you to pinpoint aim into vehicles weak spots.The reason why nobody likes dumb crossover content is that people like you make wild claims about the other setting being wildly overpowered in every way. Their regular infantry rifle that doesn't even kill a regular human in one shot without good shot placement is magically better than anything this setting can have, their aliens who die to that same rifle are unbeatable, their power armor that runs slightly faster than a normal man and dies when hit a few times under its energy shield is infinitely better than our power armor that can fly three times faster and survive a direct shot in the face by most vehicle scale weapons.There's no point even bringing it up if you're not going to make good faith assumptions about what things translate as.
>>98927473>can one shot mbt's and ayylamo armored guns>has extreme range>has 1.21Gw peak output Just stop.
>>98927490>any of thisNo. >battletech damage Is REALLY underpowered. Both range and overall effect on normal materials (trees buildings, rha) the fact that a machine gun can do nearly 50% of the damage of a burst fire MBT cannon, and infantry with 20th century rifles can and do damage said super vehicles is embarrassing. BT fans cope by full on Star Wars gigaton wank that isn't backed by lore or gameplay.
>>98927501A spartan also dies to pistol caliber rounds.
>>98927504Yeah, hundreds of them.
>>98927501Lore is that a large laser is actually a directed gamma ray beam and the Zeus heavy rifle used by many infantry units hits just about half as hard as a modern day tank cannon as measured in joules.
>>98927509You mean like three. One if it's to the dome.
>>98927490If you want good faith takes you're in the wrong place.
>>98927513>gamma ray laserNo. A gamma ray laser would kill every unprotected human kilometers around it, create plasma flares and have a lower range than even visible and infrared lasers. >zeus heavy rifleIs only in one book, and the lore does not match up to the damage it does. A 700gr bullet going 5 times the speed of sound would shatter the arm of whomever fired it.
>>98927534Funny how logic like that doesn't apply to other settings.
>>98927541Most settings have either magictech bullshit to counter this Battletech tries to have it's cake and eat it too.
>>98927551Then why even bring it up? Obviously it doesn't mesh and the magical space wizards (who again, die to regular human weapons far surpassed by BT weapons) will negate everything with their space magic. Who cares at that point?
>>98927555>surpassed by BT weapons No.
>>98927565yes
>>98927565If they die to a 5×23, they're dying to literally any infantry weapon from the past 200 years of real life weapon development and any weapon intended to kill things made in any sci-fi setting. The man portable laser rifles used in BT will kill everything from grunts up to elites, and en mass can kill hunters. Vehicle scale weapons will obliterate things that run around on foot.
>>98927568I'll give an example. The Halo Gauss Warthog fires a 25mmx130 tungsten slug at Mach 40. Mach 40. If it weren't for the fact that it burns up at 8km it can leave earth's orbit easily. Many vehicles can take multiple hits from this weapon, and later versions are carried by Spartans.
>>98927575>5x23>that keeps up with ayy hyperweapons You are ignoring the elephant in the room.
>>98927578>hyperweapons>don't even one shot regular human infantry most of the time
>>98927582>ignores the loreYeah I'm done.
>>98927501>20th century riflesThey're a fair bit stronger than that because one author gave a wild number for a rifle that's stupid powerful.
>>98927534>>zeus heavy rifle>Is only in one bookAnd is the standard firearm of the Taurian militia. And was used in a short story by special forces to kill Wobbie cyborgs, and even they needed multiple shots to take down.
>>98927585Good, your goalpost moving ass can stay gone.
>>98927243You think Topps knows?
>>98927609>moving goalposts >he says while moving said goalposts Keep losing.
>>98923944>>98926744>becky lesnar on roidsShe's only like 5'7". Unfortunately for her, Brock's genetics put her mom's in crucifex lock and didn't stop when they tapped.
>>98927576Isn't the gauss rifle the only weapon the infantry of the UNSC has that's exceptional, everything else is kind of meh? And it's turbo exceptional, to the point where ground forces should be able to engage Covenant ships in low orbit and kill it reliably, but they just don't just because?
>>98927492>>98927501Canonically a Small Laser, the weapon used as a point blank backup by most mechs that even bother to mount it, and used as the standard weapon for power armoured equivalent infantry, can gut a gen 3 mbt in one shot. That's not just punch through the armour, that's slag everything inside, and it will do so out to the horizon.Battletech weapons have an absurd damage output that's only limited by the powerful armour that cab absorb it and the ambient battlefield ecm that limits effective ranges (writers lore reason for limiting ranges, the crunch reason was to let mechs get close and brawl, and high calibre autocannons having a shorter range was based on lessons learned from Rogue Legion where they gave bigger guns more range and damage resulting in noone taking smaller guns). For actual weapon ranges see Tac Ops Extreme and Line of Sight weapon ranges
>>98922574That's why I'm asking for a year and a day. Keeps it fresh.
>>98927354I wasn't really thinking about the weaponry or equipment, moreso, again, the physical capabilities of each. Come to think of it, with Mjolnir doing a lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to Spartan feats, I wonder how they'd also stack up.
>>98927848>CanonicallyIf your definition of canon is whatever herb randomly decides to announce on the forums, sure. It's any reasonable metric placing them as decently powerful scifi weapons vs herbranium super tech that can defeat anything.>ambient battlefield ecm that limits effective ranges lol at vehicle weapons losing range within eyeball distance because of ECM. It's just tabletop abstraction, ECM doesn't make your machineguns shoot 90 metres.
>>98927080I started recently and have been using BSP rules and while I enjoy how much faster it makes classic and allows us to have bigger battles, I don't enjoy running a Scale 1 Chaos Campaign and facing off against a 30dmg Von Luckner that does a single roll to blow off any limb of my mechs.
Shut up! I don't care about this power scaling nonsense.
Wolverine done so that's my first lance painted.What are (You) working on today, Anon? Post mechs!
>>98927354>with ODST's rocking Nighthawk+ since the 23rd centuryODST armor isn't even powered, it scarcely protects ODST from small arms. Nighthawks protect the wearer from significant small arms fire, to the point that it protects from one shot from an AC2 and it has built in jump jets that allow flight as fast as spartans can move on the ground.>shit like Concussion Rifles, Beam Rifles, Focus Rifles, Plasma Casters, Fuel Rod Guns, and even "lesser" weapons are capable of killing these suits in a handful of hitsAll of those besides the fuel rod cannon are of limited to no use against UNSC vehicles, battletech's BAR10 armor is a lot better than whatever the UNSC can put on a scorpion and it's what all BA is equipped with.Brutes, elites, ODST and spartans are all easily gunned down by very low caliber SMGs of all things, BT's infantry have ballistic weapons at least as effective as 7.62 NATO and energy weapons that would allow them to combat covenant ground forces, energy shields are the only thing providing elites and spartans any survivability at all.BA have light vehicle-grade weapons most of the time and will slaughter covenant ground forces pretty much any time they're present, hunters are the only thing short of vehicles that have any hope of even reliably hurting BA, much less winning engagements. BT vehicles and mechs mean the covenant have no hope of winning any ground engagement and would have to resort to glassing everything, assuming they could even achieve naval superiority in a given space.Covenant aerospace forces are shown to be quite vulnerable to conventional ballistics, NACs, naval gauss and mass drivers will blow their heavy ships apart. Light ships are shown to struggle against UNSC longswords and such, BT's ASFs will be more than enough. Their weapons rely overwhelmingly on plasma, something BT's armor is quite capable of dealing with.The covenant don't have a chance.
>>98928532Those look nice, good job!I’m redoing some cockpits on my Snow Raven dudes since I picked up a new technique that I think looks good. Also working on a Nova and a custom Carrion Crow as well, should have those done sometime tomorrow.
>>98928117>I personally dislike the source therefore your argument has no merit
>>98928260>running a Scale 1Scale 1 is just too limited. The moment a mech takes a serious hit you're basically done.
>>98928117Word of God is, in Battletech terms, the highest form of canon. A Spartan Laser is nowhere near the the level of a Small Laser.As for range, it is mentioned repeatedly in the old fluff, the rules, and by Word of God, that the weapons can shoot a lot further, and there are game mechanics to not only do so (Extended and Extreme ranges) but do so accurately (Aiming, Tac Ops). Remember regular shooting in Battletech represents snap shots and opportunity shots, if you take the time to line up a shot and let the gun zero in you get a far more accurate shot.Battletech weapons are absurdly powerful and have an absurd rate of fire, allowing them to put more firepower down range than the equivalent in other settings.
Are people sincerely debating Halo vs Battletech without defining what set of canon is being leveraged? Because Halo gets especially jank when you are dealing with taking the Books as the primary sources or the Games as the primary sources. Like I seem to recall a Marine getting hit by a basic Plasma Pistol shot in the books can take off an arm and a single Needle could critically injure an early Spartan, while later variants of Mjolnir was outright ignoring some pretty strongly amplified gravity.Battletech side, we have an official stance made on what's canon listed on Sarna:https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Canon#BattleTech_Canon
>>98928905>a small laserA small laser does 1pt of damage more than a basic bitch M2 machine gun. That puts it in the range of a 14.5mm to 20mm, which most armored vehicles today completely stop. This is why nobody likes to talk to BT fans, they think they are 40k but have absolutely nothing to back it up.
>>98928969>M2 machine gun.I am pretty sure the calibre for a vehicle scale machinegun is closer to 30 - 35mm based on the art of the IS Standard MG variant and most of the descriptions, with only the earliest suggesting they might be .50's. Most descriptions have them more akin to the Avenger found on the Warthog.
>>98928969The machine gun doing 2 damage is a full burst, not a single shot.
>>98928969Battletech MGs are anything between 12.5-30mm. It's not consistent but it's always describing a light anti-vehicle weapon.
>>98928984>artIs THE most unreliable source. By the art there are 4 different Marauder chassis. A 25-30mm is fully within AC2 (which does the same damage but weighs a fuckton more and does it at x7 the range) territory. Battletech is made by people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and have zero knowledge about anything.
>>98929041>By the art there are 4 different Marauder chassisOn this particular point, it's actually whatever the most recent model or art is.CGL considers it to have been the CGL orion and that's what the orion always looked like in-universe as far as they're concerned.
>>98929053The exception to this are the Phoenix chassis which are actual different machines like a Dragon vs a Dragon II or a Jagermech vs a Jagermech III.
>>98923689I welcome handsome big women
>>98929156Maybe. Or maybe the lasers do nothing, as seen in the movie.
>>98929247Are AT-ATs ever shown doing anything more than terrorizing infantry? Ever? They show up once, get hogtied by what are effectively space cessnas, and die.
>>98929310In one of the videogames they get used to spearhead an assault on a fortress and blast down several walls and such.
>>98929310They were a metaphor for the Empire being a large, terrifying monstrosity that could be taken down by regular people with brave, clever teamwork. But the logic of a movie gets stretched to the breaking point by attempting to expand it into a persistent setting for manchildren to inhabit permanently.
>>98928884We both kinda came to that same conclusion when my only mech with a hand got it blown off before I made it to the objective and I had to just retreat.
>>98929107Imagine being taken bondsman by a Ghost Bear and they make you hold their hand when out in public
>>98929310>Trying to act like he's never watched Star WarsA single AT-AT was taken down by the tow cables. Otherwise, they were shooting down numerous Snowspeeders and blowing up every heavy artillery weapon. They also move at 60 km/h, which translates to a movement of 6 in Battletech and are estimated to weight at least 75 tons, but possibly up to 150, with some estimates as high as 300 tons.An AT-AT would likely be a 100 ton quad mech with a 4/6 movement profile and armed with what's likely the equivalent of 2 ER Large Lasers, and 2 Medium Pulse Lasers that can swivel independently of the mech; significant amount of armor and enough heat sinks to fire at least it's 2 main guns non-stop.An AT-AT would be a terrifying thing to encounter on a Battletech battlefield.
>>98929541Viable? Sure. Terrifying? Ehhhh...
>>98929541>A single AT-AT was taken down by the tow cablesHonestly pathetic.>Otherwise, they were shooting down numerous SnowspeedersThere were four of them?>They also move at 60 km/hFrom what I saw, they were shown moving a little slower than a running human, which gives them a running speed of 1.https://youtu.be/jnl9ffCfrsc?si=CrwZ988a_An-bl0z&t=71
It's funny how many times I've thought "I'll never intentionally use this, I'll just paint it as a merc and call it salvage" and then I end up putting together a project or getting salvage in a campaign that needs that exact mech.It's happened with a Mongoose (twice!), Flashman, Lancelot, Dragon, Incubus, and Spector.
>>98929570>From what I sawMaybe you should have actually looked up the info. They were often described as being on top of you before you knew it.>shown moving a little slower than a running humanAn athletic force user and if anything, the AT-ATs on Hoth would be moving through deep snow which carries with it a +1MP penalty for every hex, effectively cutting its speed in half in the rough terrain, but it does still go through the terrain.>There were four of them?But really, you're just acting like a zoomtard who never watched the movie and is being deliberately obtuse. Pic related disproves your stupid claim in an instant.
>>98929587>They were often described as being on top of you before you knew itBut shown to actually just move at human running speed.>An athletic force userThat is clearly moving at regular human running speed.
I think an AT-AT in Battletech would look like this. A relic from the Star League era, it gets a special quirk of x amount of tons of storage for transporting infantry.
>>98929592Can't help but notice you directly overlooked the terrain they were in which has direct Battletech rules that dictate movement penalties.>That is clearly moving at regular human running speed.Why? Because you need the prequel zoom zoom magic speed up to notice it? You also assume the AT-ATs were traveling at full speed the entire time.Furthermore, you didn't acknowledge how dishonest you were about there being only 4 Snowspeeders at the Battle of Hoth.I fully expect you to reply with more bullshit, but I won't be replying further to you. If you can't discuss things honestly, then there's really nothing to discuss at all.
>>98929587>the AT-ATs on Hoth would be moving through deep snowIt's like 1-2 inches of snow in the movie.
>>989296021-2 inches of snow doesn't cushion you from the drop Luke had after gutting the AT-AT.
>>98929601>Can't help but notice you directly overlooked the terrainThe flat ground with a sprinkling of snow?>Why?Because he's clearly not moving any faster than normal running speed.>You also assume the AT-ATs were traveling at full speed the entire timeThey are never shown moving any faster than that, not before or during active combat.>>98929608But we can see how deep the snow is that he was running in and fell into and it's a couple inches at most.
Is this what the thread is going to be about this weekend? Retards arguing about Halo and Star Wars?Powerscalers fuck off. /tv/ fags fuckoff. /v/irgins fuck off.
>>98929156I always got the impression that the general power level expressed in star wars was pretty similar to that of battletech, except some star wars vehicles are really high in volume because many of the large vehicles are used as giant IFVs.
>>98929587Is that bubble wrap glued to his seatbelt harness?>>98929392I actually literally imagine this everyday with my wife but catalyst gamelabs refuses to publish my rasalhague dominion fiction whilst giving that reddit retard hack brian young more book deals.
>>98929687>Is that bubble wrap glued to his seatbelt harness?Yep. Now, just just discover all the old WWII Aircraft and Tank kits that make up the greebles on Star Destroyers.Also, the Hogs deserve a hog's death. HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98929594
>>98928905Word of god applies to god. An actual auteur creator with tenure and say-so. Random hack writers brought on decades later after acquisitions are just word of some guy on payroll.If george lucas says "nah that shit didn't happen", it carries a little weight even if you don't like it. If dave filoni tries to pull rank, who cares?
>>98929714I only just now looked at the BV.
>>98928905>KrakenNow that's a name I've not heard in a long time...a long time.
>>98929714>Two quad turrets on a single quadToo bad that's against the law!
>>98929721Compact Engines, man.
>>98929747It is? Megamek validation doesn't say that.Equipment turrets are such an absolute fuckup mechanically.
>>98929770It is. If you try to port that design into megamek it'll not work. You can only mount a single quad turret on a quad as per the rules. The only other way around this is to mount a head turret.
>>98929641Star Wars power levels are generally quite high because it has massive starships, the Force, and whatever superweapon of the month the Empire has been building, only to get blown up by some misfit rebels. Then again, it depends on the writer whether they want them to be powerful and competent or a bunch of bumbling idiots who get wrecked in every fight. I can imagine most BattleTech mechs could handle most walkers in SW, mainly from the massive amount of firepower each mech can bring onto the field
Anything but talk about the actual game
>>98920145So faggots, i've decided to make this thread at /vr/ because things are going too fast>>>/vr/12918357>>98923689Brock's superhuman genes surpassed her mother.
>>98930193had no idea about this, neat. Hope everyone is having a nice weekend. Works been awful, just want to relax and focus on some smashy little robots.
>>98930193How many aren't asking me to run sketchy unread Claude code on my computer?
>>98930224you too anon>>98930227Because if it was overly fucked up, vogons would had sent hitmen to kill the guy, and they are overly anti slop thanks to that tranny fag leilellolAlso the mech 3 project works, but since EA decided to give me a ton of anniversary editions, my mech 3 gameplay shall be delayed til december.Also it is insane why Activision didn't reach Dynamix and Victor to release the PC-98 port overseas as a free remaster included with mech 2 disk.
>>98929725I've not been around much, life, work, and cgl killing the local Battletech scene have kind of done for my hobby enjoyment recently.I'm currently trying to talk a friend into playing, he disparages bt a lot but has admitted its because he thinks he might like it too much if he actually tried it.On better news my rpg group didn't bother looking into the terms I posted when I agreed to run a Pathfinder campaign for them, one which states I get to run a campaign of my choice afterwards, and I own MW2
>>98929594We actually do have a pseudo-official look at what one would be due to Nebula California. They did some custom stuff in the book to represent Blasters and its all in the context of Battletech tech, so probably not the most 1:1 in overall stating of power, but we know roughly what it'd look like.This isn't the full sheet, but its in the first book which is literally free. Funny enough, for the Halo conversation that was ongoing, there was a proxy for that stuff in the second book, Plenty of Room.
Anyone got a list of the novels that are actually worth reading?
>>98930626Start with the Gray Death Legion trilogy. Ask again after that.
>>98929687>my rasalhague dominion fictionThis better be some wholesome stories anon and not dommy mommy fetish!
>>98931119>provides more protection per unit of weight but requires more volume to achieve that protectionWas ferro fibrous armor inspired by the cold war titanium vs steel armor studies?
>>98931129this wasn't meant as a replywhatever
>>98931129Was honestly thinking you were asking about Elemental breast sizes for a moment?
>>98930351How did CGL kill your local scene? Shouldn't BT be blooming bc it has an actual company supporting it?
>>98930247it is insane how AI managed to do in days what the retards who could had done it earlier couldn't and kept the community hostage out of sheer laziness.
>>98931227They require you to include black and female Mechwarriors now. DEI kills everything it touches. My local scene refuses to compromise our principles and lower ourselves to the standards of a bunch of hack Seattle liberals, and we'd rather not play than justify what CGL has done to the game.
>>98931383Thought about making them all black slavers?
>>98931383Hopefully pretending to be retarded.
>>98931383I am Euro so maybe the implementation is as bad as their supply, but I have not yet seen the CGL death squads at my table to enforce that politics. Also there is Years and Years of Battletech without CGL involved. Not playing anymore would be the same as me crushing my car and just go walking because Volvo happens to be chainese and mostly electrick by now.
>>98931414Considering the shit he spouted, I think there isn't any pretending to it. Pure, unadulterated, weapons-grade Retardium.
>>98931414Well you'd be the expert on retardation with all of your 1st hand experience.>>98931383Based.
>>98931414>>98931687It's obviously a troll post. Dude didn't even use the correct name.
>>98931687I like Battletech.
>>98931227>Shouldn't BT be blooming bc it has an actual company supporting it?NTA but CGL has been running shit since the dark days of 2007, and Fanpro America were literally the same dudes from 2003-2006. The only thing that launched them into mainstream relevance again was the 2018 KS which allowed them to begin modernizing the plastic and get a huge injection of cash. Well, that and getting actual videogames for the franchise again and GW fumbling extra hard in their own retardation.CGL still acts like the old days, when putting out too many of a print run could sink them. The only exception is when they try futily to launch new stuff like Cosmic Patrol or Gothic because they want to diversify more than regular Battletech and Shadowrun.
>>98930193>Mechwarrior decompsIs it bad I'm really expecting a cease and desist order on most of those projects?
>>98931723Also CGL is full of over political leftards who hates their community hard, aka your typical Portland Seattle jackasses.>>98932176Trying too hard loony troon
>>98931723To be fair, I have had the 3rd edition AGOAC box since forever but I won't call myself a Battletech grog, we just played it every once in a while. I was around for clicky tech but I don't like buying blind box collectible stuff so I skipped that. I only got aware of the 'new' publisher when the CGL AGOAC box appeared on the internet but since that became available over here in Euroland, about 2022 when I could buy it local, there has been a uptick in Battletech players over here. Not like there is a real scene but there are a few stores selling it so I don't have to crawl the internet to get my robots and meeting fellow players has become a lot less rare.What to say about CGL, idk I did get their AGOAC box and some lance packs because I like the mech designs but the casts are gummy and mediocre and made off shitty plastic. As for the company itself and I am going Grog mode here; even before current day thing there was other current day thing and/or scammers and big Ego's and tisms and general incompetence. No matter what era we're in, /tg game publishers have always been shit companies and wierd people and a lot of time bad at doing business, so nothing new there. James is on the banlist but I cannot keep up with everything, €55,- for the big box and €20,- each for 4 lance packs shipped was a nice deal to update my BT stuff. that will last another 25 years and we have this convo again about the publisher who at that time has the rights is a shot company an is killing the game.u
>>98929041The "machinegun" weighs half a fucking ton. It is absolutely an autocannon in the 30-40mm range.
Is there a reason why the writers keep introducing random ass fluff like picrel? Granted it was only abt 6 months before the rasalhague invasion.
Hey, here's a stupid question for the thread to fight about. The Directional Torso Mount on the Barghest is listed as "DTM(RT/LT)". Is that a SINGLE mount, or a DOUBLE mount? As in, if the left torso ERLL takes a hit that locks up the DTM, does the AC/20 in the right torso *also* lock up?Use only published rules as a reference in your reply, and if giving an opinion unsupported by rules, please label as such. Unless you're Xotl. If Xotl is reading this, and feels like making a clarification, then please do. We called them as 2 separate mounts at the table since they were totally different Locations on the Mech, but we have no rule support to back this up
>>98933379Battletech manual (p85,p90) lists it as RT/LT and the art has it as two separate turrets. This implies it's two separate 2 point mounts instead of the single quad 360 3 point mount.So two separate like you ruled IMO.
>>98933409Also, the Legacy with two clear separate shoulder turrets also shares this quirk configuration.
>>98933426Oh, AND as the legacy shares the quirk config, it cannot possibly be the exclusive 360 single turret 3 point quad version.Check-and-mate.
>>98933434>>98933426>>98933409Nice. Accepted.
>>98933379>Quad mechYou brought this pain upon yourself. I did however notice that there appears to be a LAM in that battle. Neat.
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>>98931691Fwiw, I've never seen any black women into battletech specifically, but Gundam and some other /m/ anime have a respectable following in the black community, and I know this one guy whose whole family are big into Warhammer and other /tg/ stuff and his wife and daughter are black-ish. I think.
>>98933848NTA but I have a hot black girlfriend, and she gets me Battletech shit all the time. Battletech is very heavily associated with military /tg/ stores, so they know more than some people would think. It's a troll post, anyway. Nasty was a girl from the beginning, and Minobu was a thing since the beginning. The problem is the modern "Muh Falcons are racist because I'm a strong black merchant and the patriarchy is out to get me." kind of thing.
>>98929041>>98929053>>98929060I don't have a source off the rip but haven't they said several times that all art is canon and different art is just from different manufacturers?
Are there any guides to using Aces for Classic?
>>98933936That just can't work when there's art that depicts a particular person's personal mech in different styles.
>>98933936Some (most? all?) of the project phoenix variants go out of their way to say they have new visual styling.
>>98933936Imagine walking around in your modern design mech and maybe you've at most seen some awkward project phoenix shitboxes and then a star league duane loose design walks into your field of view, awkwardly shapeshifting with each step, limbs hovering near the body, it's nonsense single spoked connection leg and arms flailing in a terrible mockery of a running motion.
>>98934071I was wondering this too. Found a series of videos on YouTube on the "GCZ Gaming" channel that try this. Haven't had time to watch any of them yet, so I don't know how useful they are, but it may be a good place to start.
>>98934071Classic players are expected to be socially adept and to make friends with which to play games. It's only the maladapted Alpha Strike morlocks who require solo rules, since they can't find or keep a group of friends.
>>98924162One can only hope for TBDTOTAL BEARSDEATH
>>98924305Got a source <non-homebrew> for that info?
>>98934441TRO 3050, page 255.It's interesting having a look through the older stuff now that I have actual physical copies rather than scans.
>>98934449Hmm. It has been such a long time that I completely forgot the "rules" that were in that book. I found it on pg 225 <assuming typo here>. Thanks mate!
>>98926717How many Clans they've clapped. First the Jaguars, then the Nova Cats, and now the Bears!
>>98934481Typo, dyslexia, or traumatic brain injury, your pick
>>98931227For context I live in the dystopia hellhe known as the UK. CGL seems to have forgotten we exist as there's barely a trickle of BT stuff making it into the country, meaning there's basically nothing on the shelves at the FLGS. No product means new players don't get enticed in as there's only so long you can borrow someone's stuff before wanting your own. Additionally the rulebooks, both old and new, are unobtainium (or were last I checked).Bad enoughBut we still had a couple of demo agents who got into Battletech before becoming demo agents and were really passionate and did their best...Until CGL told them to go run our events at these con's. "You must provide all the minis, maps, and 3d terrain yourselves. No we will not pay for your travel or accommodation nor will we compensate you or even give you a cool mini or two. Go do work for us entirely out of your own pocket".That left them with a bad taste for the game and they backed out. And I've been out for a year due to injury and I'm the one who used to organise our big games where players would come from across the county for day long 8 a side games. So the local scene is pretty much dead at the moment but I am planning on trying to bring it back.If your from the Lancaster group, listen for the name "Operation Unthinkable" in the new year.
>>98934602Death from Above probably infringes on anti BBW-facestting laws or something, No point in even trying to ship anything.
>>98934602>Until CGL told them to go run our events at these con's. "You must provide all the minis, maps, and 3d terrain yourselves. No we will not pay for your travel or accommodation nor will we compensate you or even give you a cool mini or two. Go do work for us entirely out of your own pocket"I'm not sure why they thought a volunteer position would be treated like an employed position and have everything handed to them with little to no effort.
>>98934622It's more they were being treated as employees, expected to do the work of employees, but told to do it entirely out of pocket and from what I understand were expected to go along with CGL's demands as though they were payed workers. And CGL refused to send any actual support. This was a notable downturn from the previous years where they were treated a lot better by the company and the company ran the events with the volunteers supporting.>>98934608Kek. Though that's a whole other mess that will need sorting via other means.
>>98934602How's that Brexit feel now? The Germans are getting all your gibs.
>>98934071DFA Wargaming has an ad hoc primer for converting Aces for Grogtech
>>98934663Brexit? It was sabotaged by remainers in places of power. In theory it should have been a great opportunity to build ourselves and should also have allowed certain issues coming from France to be kept out. In practice all the opportunities have been squandered, and our government is actively sabotaging the country.
>>98934663The """Germans""".
>>98934602>"You must provide all the minis, maps, and 3d terrain yourselves. No we will not pay for your travel or accommodation nor will we compensate you or even give you a cool mini or two. Go do work for us entirely out of your own pocket".They are Mormons, yes. They're basically a cult of thieves and rapists.
>>98934670
>>98934602>>98934646Let me sperg: because CGL are arrogant, incompetent morons that purposefully cut entire COUNTRIES because they can't be arsed to do basic logistics.Being a Battletech player in an euro country that's not Germany is pure hell.So, imagine, that there are like.... two players in a several hundred km radius. No shops stock Battletech stuff. No cons host games (we're talking cons with dozens of tables, 0 Btech presence. ZERO.). If a guy wants to start Warhammer or Bolt Action, he merely has to go the closest shop and buy stuff. Or Amazon. You want Mechs? Good luck. There's nothing. By the way, you can't buy the mechs you want, you have to buy Forcepacks and pray they have the mechs you want/like. And pray there are still some in some dusty shop in Germany. No books. Nothing translated. No social presence. You can try to host games at a con, people will look at you like an alien bar some boomers that remember playing in the early 90ies "before Clans murdered the game".Really.Then it becomes parody. I was in a major Euro capital last weekend for personal stuff, and for funsies I managed to check their biggest hobby store for Btech stuff. When the clerk told me they had some, I was amazed. Then....> Two unsold copies of Gothic, useless> Three boxes of Urbanmech LAMS> Two boxes of Urbanmechs> Two boxes of IlClan crap > A single box of IS BASo we are in a timeline where not only it's impossible to buy stuff easily, it's extremely difficult to find players, CGL has no Euro distribution hub, and retarded gimmick products are still sent because CGL is retarded.Then I should not go ballistic when the fuckers start blabbering about being "incloosive". I'be better off being a gay monkey than being European.
>>98934670>It was sabotaged by remainers in places of power.Let's not forget about the Dolchstoß of the ungrateful, uppity colonials in Ireland, Canada, India, Hongkong, Africa and Australia.
>>98934705I feel you. I legit have to drive across country if I want to play physical tabletop with friends. They want people to do all their marketing and everything for free but do nothing to warrant such loyalty from their playerbase.
>>98934718Loyalty? Don't even get me started. We 3d print of of DESPAIR here. IT IS EASIER TO GET ROBOTECH 1:285 THAN LEGIT CGL MODELS (that are insanely cool, detailed and neat, but that's beyond the point)It is insanity!
>>98934730I am slightly luckier. Slightly. One store I have that is local is basically similar to your Euro capital situation. The second is several hours drive away and they have at least got a good selection but fucking hell are they expensive out of Clan boxes which they legit told me they are not going to be restocking as they are not selling cause the fags like me who actually buy Battletech seem to only be interested in the IS stuff. Fuck you whoever bought that last Comstar box by the way
>>98934705Strangely enough, I haven't had issues getting models in Finland, though some books and map packs have a big delay (weirdly the LGS has been getting neoprene versions of the Fire and Ice mapsheets, but still not the paper ones). I did talk with the guy who works there and runs the BT-related stuff, and he did say getting stuff directly from US is slow and the numbers are limited, so they mostly get their BT products through Germany.
>>98934705Your spot on. Its frustrating, we live in an era of the games revival in popularity and what's available?>the basic starter boxesNo>the more advanced or even the dumbed down spinoff starter boxes?No>the basic starter rulebook (BMM)No>TW or even the new "core rulebook"No>the gimmicky joke stuff and au spinoffs that have nothing to do with the base game/settingYesI do not get it.
>>98934828It all depends on your connections with Germany in the end, because the Germs (cursed may be their name) manage to still get stuff at times. 90% of what I bought came from Germany. If your local stores work through 'em, I guess it's easier.>>98934832Because they made a shitton of the retarded gimmicky stuff, it didn't sell and it's still clogging the shops. Then people see the pants-on-head-retarded Urbanmech LAMs wasting space for years, so I guess it ain't worthwhile to stock more Btech. But I guess the American fanbase is delirious with joy at getting meme products, I guess? I wonder if the other AUs stuff will be as horrifically bad as Gothic.
>>98934663All you crazies really did just get mind crushed forever 10 years ago.
>>98934670>It was sabotaged by remainers in places of powerA similar song to what happened here in the states for the past 2 years. We handed our politicians a mandate and it was ignored.
>>98934602>"You must provide all the minis, maps, and 3d terrain yourselves.So paper?>>98934705So they didn't sell paper?Nigga the game is paper.
>>98934832Same old, same old.
>>98934705The Euros, and especially the Brits, have a strange fixation against any wargame that's not Warhammer. They've turned it into a national identity and reject better games while complaining about everything Games Workshop does, and has continued to do for the past 10 years. But why would GW ever change their practices when their fans actually do continue to buy everything they put out? There really is a slave mentality left in the people whose ancestors never crossed the oceans hundreds of years ago.>GothicA complete failure. Every BT fan called it before it released, and we've all been right. It's embarrassing how hard they went into this.>Urbanmech LAMSA meme that they didn't realize was a meme and thought was actually popular...>Urbanmechs...much like the Urbanmech itself>IlClanIt's just flat out harder to get into these mechs than the classics>IS BAWell, I suppose someone out there would technically want this, but it really is bottom of the barrelMy condolences for your struggle. What minis are you most hoping to find. Maybe we can find a way to get you some. Anyone know of any ways to send stuff safely to eachother here without doxxing themselves?>>98934730This topic has certainly made it clearer why there are some anons here who are so vocally for 3d printing their minis. Over on /v lately, there keep being topics about the Japanese being pissed about their games being pirated, but the games that always get brought up aren't even for sale. Same feeling here. If you won't make something for sale someplace, then don't complain when they find another way to get what they want.>>98934749Hey man, King Crab, Highlander, and Black Knight in a single box is still the best pack they've ever made.>>98934839>But I guess the American fanbase is delirious with joy at getting meme products, I guess?Not at all. It's all bombing over here too. The Gothic boxes remain permanently on sale in my local store and still won't sell. Pic related.
>>98934839Thing is, the Urbie LAM wasn't a bad idea, it was a bit of fun. But why was it supplied enmasse to other countries when basic stuff like, say, the books you need to play, are kept back like some kind of precious lostech item?>>98934851>So paperThey specifically wanted 3d maps iirc, and minis.Speaking of, the newer generation has weird ideas on proxying, and for new players it's cooler to see a physical mini instead of a bottle cap with "WHM-3R" and an arrow on it. Of course there are 3d prints but those are not a store front item and to bother with them you first have to be interested in the game, which is where minis and books are needed to be visible and drum up interest.Map sheets require effort and a lot of ink to print off and line up, pdf's are annoying and printing them requires reams of paper and ink. Standees and counters are fine for us older players whom remember the dark times, but new players want that physical mini on the table.And at the end of the day, as I said above, if the stuff is not visible and available in the stores, people will know about it to be able to get into it.
Are any of these maps worth getting?
Hurry and get your Battletech Gothic guys! It's going to sell out any moment and oh boy will you be sorry then!
>>98934871National identity my ass. The Brits are a defeated people and their country a joke, but the difference is massive: a guy that wants to play Warhammer just has to go to his local club in a mid-tier city and he'll find models, players and support. If he wants to start small, he has smaller skirmish games. If he wants tutorials, he'll find people. Same thing with Bolt Action.If I want to get someone to play Battletech I have to explain everything, provide everything, tell them there's no player, no support, and they 3d print or get stuff from Germany with the retarded Forcepack system.People simply play Warhammer. You need to be a fanatic to keep playing Btech. No surprise we play Kuritans and Comstar/WoB, we enjoy being retarded beyond common sense.>>98934924You know, if they were SMART, they'll do an AU copying the Jap designs. Everyone knows them, the Jap books are collectors items, and the models would probably sell well even outside Btech for use in other rulesets. No, they had to do Gothic and the Space Age AU they teased looks like complete and utter crap. Goddamn CGL is retarded. I know they're Americans so it must be lead in the water or something, but they're fucking retarded.
>>98920145Complete and utter Mechwarrior 5 newfag here I recently realized that my town has a local battletech scene and have grown interested in trying the game out. Where should I look to learn more about the setting/game? Are there any essential reading books or general recommendations?
>>98935123You take loretuber videos and block all of them.Go to the trove, start with the source books. You also want to read the Grey Death Trilogy.
I didn't see a good complete map picture of the Volcanic maps out there, so I took it upon myself to compile the pictures that are out there and make this. I had to reduce the resolution to get a version I could upload to 4chan, but it's neat being able to see how all 16 are meant to piece together. Probably going to do this with the Glacial maps next.>>98935123How many hours do you have in MW5 and do you mean Mercenaries or Clans? General mech knowledge will still transfer over about tonnages and loadouts and you probably already know the mechs you like.This pic is still pretty accurate. The covers on the boxes may have changed, by the design philosophy remains the same. Might want to consider a Core Book as that's a newer release since then.
>>98935223 (Me)I got distracted by looking for the infographic to help the new anon and wasn't thinking when I replaced the image. Either way, I was going to need 2 posts for the 2 images.Anyway, here's the full Volcano map.
>>98935218>You also want to read the Grey Death Trilogy.I'll be sure to give it a read.>>98935223>How many hours do you have in MW5 and do you mean Mercenaries or Clans?74 currently, just finished the base games main story for the first time today. I've also watched the cartoon if that means anything.By the way how is the dynamic between narrative and gameyness (for lack of a better term) in Battletech?
I finished doing it for the glacial maps too.
>>98935123OP contains the rules and House books, which are still the best source for the general feel of the universe.
>>98935265>By the way how is the dynamic between narrative and gameyness (for lack of a better term)Not exactly sure what you mean when you ask that. At the moment, we do currently have someone running some games with mechs and pilots that we all rolled up and he's been writing some story events between the games for them. So you can definitely makes stories that accompany your games if that's what you mean. In fact, it's encouraged.
>>98935319>Not exactly sure what you mean when you ask thatTo put it another way I'm was asking where Battletech falls between early 40k (heavy amounts of narrative) and 11th edition 40k (outright hostile to narrative and personalization) on both the game level and community level.>So you can definitely makes stories that accompany your games if that's what you mean. In fact, it's encouraged.Alright nice that sounds right up my alley.Also as one last quick question are the TRPGs any good cause some of my friends have expressed interest in trying them out since we've been meaning to run a mech game?
Oh my, I did not expect my comment would bring up so much grievance. I don't even disagree with you all but in this case I guess my ignorance is bliss . Over the years I got so used to, just robot fight with some friends I really did forget there was company support because there was non. So like I said also above, I grabbed some new stuff and we keep playing Battletech. Having a few friends to once a month or so hang out with and throw some dice helps.I do like that a game can become sorta independent on its publisher tho. It depends on your local scene(tm) ofcourse, but the rules for BT can be acquired and mini's can be whatever so CGL is not even needed. Same with GW games but I their case it's also the sheer load of second hand plastic, or as we do play Blood Bowl overhere, again so much 3rd party stuff available, one does not ever have to do business with James again. There is always a way to play a game but not supporting the (current) publisher but it's hard enough to get some friends together for that, let alone grow/promote a local scene.
>>98935355>are the TRPGs any goodHaven't played them myself.
>>98935355>To put it another way I'm was asking where Battletech falls between early 40k (heavy amounts of narrative) and 11th edition 40k (outright hostile to narrative and personalization) on both the game level and community level.NTA but its going to be a case by case level. There are groups there that just want to chill and have fun rolling dice on their maths sheets. There are groups that let you run custom mechs while others absolutely refuse to let you do that and even have house rules like no more than X mechs that can do 7/11/7+ with pulse lasers. Others run campaigns and specific scenarios to get you into more involved with what is going on. Really Battletech gives you a fuckton of options to play how you want to play which is both a curse and a blessing at times since people might not always be singing from the same hymn sheet at times so to speak but that is the beauty of it, it does not promote tournament faggotry as a mindset.
>>98935227>>98935313Pretty neat thanks anon.
Story time in the next thread surely
>>98935695What kind of story? Anons Bear fan fiction or the mechwarrior academy?
>>98935700The mechwarrior academyThat anon has been quiet for some time, hopefully he is almost done cooking.
>>98934089That's about how I feel about it, just make the most recent art the canon art. If all manufacturers are working off the same spec for a mech at the bare minimum the body proportions and base chassis should all look nearly identical. If anything it'd be minor details that would look different like the weapons or maybe the arrangement of some missile tubes. Minor details that differentiate manufacturers or production runs of things like tanks in real life.
>>98935123I just put on loretuber vids in the background at work and read random sarna articles while I'm on the toilet
>>98936046>read random sarna articles while I'm on the toiletDo you print out the pages and wipe your ass with it cause that's all sarna articles are good for to be honest?
>>98936064They're an entirely acceptable overview on key events and history as well as mechs and their variants. So long as you accept it is going to have errors and omissions (like you should for all wikis) it's a perfectly fine bite-sized way to get your feet wet.Best to skip most of the site articles; some of the 'bad mechs' features were funny but they've dug through the bottom of the barrel.
>>98936116>some of the 'bad mechs' features were funny but they've dug through the bottom of the barrel.Still laughing at the bad mech lance obtaining second place in the tournament.
>>98936064how are they any worse than source books. The source books themselves are summaries. The only way I could get straighter to the source is by reading the novels and I don't feel like reading through dozens of books of pulp fiction when I have other books I'm already reading.
So what has actually changed with the nurules?
>>98936133As an anon pointed out the info on pages are full of errors and you should frankly be reading the sourcebook it references in a section cause some of it is so hilariously wrong on the page at times but yeah its good quick references.It's the articles written by Sean himself that are ludicrously bad that you should flat out ignore everything in them unless you are reading them for comedy.>>98936452You could read the Core Rulebook and find out?
>>98934832>I do not get it.Nobody buys it so it remains available for a long period of time. The part that is insane is that not only did they make gothic, but also they're planning another one, which will no doubt remain on shelves for over a year just like gothic did. Even more insane than that is that they made gothic then never followed up on it. I've seen companies do dumb shit and usually you can figure out what they were thinking, but CGL are so dumb I can't even figure out what they're trying to do.
>>98936476I remember them making a big song and dance about the amount of units produced and shipped but they said absolutely nothing about how much had actually sold on the store shelves. I would not be surprised if they thought Gothic was going to be a hit but the retailers told them to fuck off they ain't going to buy more of that shit which is why they didn't follow up on it.
>>98936496It is very apparent every time I go the LGS that they made a lot of it.
Am i good if i simply replace the steam Install files of stock MW5 with the GOG release so i can access the DLC's?
>>98936543Yet nobody bought any of it.
>>98936564That is in evidence from the fact that the quantity on the shelf has not changed all year.
Reminds me they're trying to do a retro-future aesthetic with the next pack aren't they? Like 50's future style almost not-Fallout edition?
>>98935105>You know, if they were SMART, they'll do an AU copying the Jap designs. Everyone knows them, the Jap books are collectors items, and the models would probably sell well even outside Btech for use in other rulesets.The Japanese designs also like...fucking rock lol.Hell, considering how there's been a bit of a mecha "boom" as of late and how the Japanese take on those Battlemechs was done by the same dude who'd later go on to help do work for the Armored Core games (to the degree that the take on the Madcat would be tweaked and used as AC1 concept art), using this as a sort of "in" for people more familiar with mecha stuff wouldn't be a bad idea.
>>98928969>This is why nobody likes to talk to BT fans, they think they are 40k but have absolutely nothing to back it up.Holy truth batman.In my experience quite a few BT fans have this tendency to be arrogant shitheads about stuff like this. Don't even get me STARTED on the coping about ships either, it's actually pathetic.
>>98936599Just remember that when they say they "didn't have enough time" for adding vehicle rules to core, they sure had enough time to be developing these retarded AU box sets.
>>98934924I got 3 of these as part of a tournament at my LGS and got a King Crab, a Scorpion, and a Firestarter. They look okay, I guess. I like the King Crab more than anything.
>>98935744>That anon has been quiet for some timeI'm still here. I only use this name when it's related to the Academy games. I got a little sidetracked and distracted earlier today doing these >>98935227 >>98935313 but even that was because I was thinking it might be interesting to have the year 3 & 4 battles take place on ice and/or lava.There's a lot of stuff I'm doing for it and that I'd like to do. I don't know how much of what I did the first time around was even read, but I still would like to do a bit of stat compiling. Since we've got multiple battles on the board now, I'm adding extra stat categories that will be ongoing. They may even reflect the kinds of mech offers and training assistance they get. If you want a status update though, well here it is.>The turn pictures have been completed.>Up to turn 11 of the Batrep is written.>None of the batrep has been converted to 2k character limit chunks yet.>Statistics for the mechwarriors in the categories of damage done, attacks made, DTR, accuracy, fog check fails, percentage of fog check fails, have not been done.>The individual report cards for the cadets have not been started yet.>I am writing up battle chatter for the teams to represent what they were saying during the battle. Team Bread Bakers is done, but Team Gale Force only has turn 1 done.>Comparing the Batrep I wrote for year 1 to year 2, year 2's have been tiny. I need to make better turn by turn narrating.There you go. Status updated. It's going to take a little while and that's not even including the lore bits I plan to write after finishing the batrep and posting it. Still, if you'd also like a preview as to what lays ahead, I have included a picture of planned mech rolls, refits, customizations, and training adjustments. Don't do any rolling yet, I won't accept any results at this time.It is nice to know some of you are looking forward to it though.
>>98936975>refit offer to SHD-2K or -3HAt least Morgan's not getting told to get fucked with a 2D, but if I don't roll one of the premiums or get a custom offer I'll probably commit to the 2H. The damage in the last match was mostly to a leg and an overhaul to a 2K probably wouldn't be justified, and the 3H is just kind of boring. Plus, starting and ending the story at 4/5 in a 2H would be a nice contrast to how many others have ended up as aces with high-end chassis.
>>98936975>It is nice to know some of you are looking forward to it thoughI'm mostly quiet with these, but I do want you to know I have been reading and following along and enjoying it. Keep up the good work anon!
>>98937038You don't get offered a custom refit job, you have to tell me what you want your custom refit to be and I'll either approve it or I won't. If your idea is to just add FF & DHS, you'll be shot down. Otherwise, tell me what you want done. The Charger and Quickdraw customizations are there because both of their pilots talked to me about what they wanted and cleared it with me. I was personally against both of them even, but they're also both reasonable so they both got approved.
>>98936707I don't what it is, but the way the Japtech Mad Cat can stand straight like that is really fucking cool
>>98937048Thank you whoever you are.
>>98937049Then I'll propose for the LRM5 and its ammo to be traded for a second SRM2 in its place, a Medium Laser in the left arm, and a heat sink in a location of your choosing to make it closer to a -2Hb, with the added condition that even with your approval I only get it if my training roll is higher than my minimum. If Morgan stagnates as a pilot, Morgan's mech stagnates too.
>>98936975The Vindicator is one of my favorites! Does it come in red?If you plan to keep your house rule for rapid fire machine guns then I think the ammo in the 1X is worth the risk and it puts the 13 heatsinks to work up close, if not the standard 1R what I would want.
>>98937071You're playing a weird game here Morgan and maybe you didn't notice, but you're tied with Ignacio for 2nd place on the scoreboard. Morgan is getting noticed, whether he deserves it or not. It's going to cause him to get more attention with his training as well, as people are seeing him as a potential winning investment. This is why on your next training roll, you were going to get the bonus of not being able to roll Green. If the dice put you in the Green category, it gets boosted up to Regular. You wanting Morgan to stay a forever 4/5 is weird to me. I don't get it. But I suppose if you're serious about wanting him to be a complete slacker he can just ignore his training and forgo the training and mech rolls. If you want.Do you intend to ignore your d1000 lottery roll too?As for the customization you want, it's not outrageous, but I'm still going to take some time to let it sit in the back of my head and mull it over. For now though, my eyes grow heavy.
>>98937099Okay, I can answer this before bed. I am not planning to keep the house rule for rapid fire machine guns. It sounded great on paper, but upon testing it out, it felt like it could be really overpowered. Maybe I just need to refine it and say something like every shot generates 1 more heat than the one before it. So it'd be something like...>1 MG shot = 0 heat>2 MG shot = 1 heat>3 MG shot = 3 heat>4 MG shot = 6 heat>5 MG shot = 10 heat>6 MG shot = 15 heat>7 MG shot = 21 heat>8 MG shot = 28 heatI don't know. I want MGs to be better, but I may have gone too far with them in the last game. You don't need to commit to a variant yet.Anyway, didn't I tell you that you'd feel Vindicated in the end? You sure you don't want an Avenging Angel? It's a jumpy boy like the other mechs you've been using up to now.One of them comes in partial red. Take your pick.
>>98937109Not so much slacking as just never being able to develop and potentially angsting over it. Me bringing it up as much as I do is just because I like the idea of one of the students coming in reasonably capable and not being able to put any of the lessons into practice. I'll be doing the rolls either way. Whether the dice decide to spike to 3/3 or hand over a 5/5, that's the way it goes. The d1000 is fun though, I'm putting that in regardless.
>>98934878Less so that the new generation wants WYSIWYG physical minis and more that if you only play in a tournament and/or convention setting that forces miniatures you get accustomed to it and get led to believe that "it's the only way to play".>>98934894They play fairly good if you play them as a whole (the paper maps) but they end up pretty shit when taken apart
>>98934878>Thing is, the Urbie LAM wasn't a bad idea, it was a bit of fun. But why was it supplied enmasseI think some shops just make bad choices when ordering. There is an LGS here that made their last BT order a big batch of Urbanmech lance, Urbanmech LAM, and Proliferation Cycle packs. Why would you refill your Battletech section with just those? What the fuck were they thinking? I bought a bunch of stuff there when it was coming out new, but I stopped checking once their selection was just those three packs collecting dust for months.
My group is doing customs mechs this next week, anyone got any custom Shadow Hawks so I can shamelessly get some ideas?
>>98920145What mech do you lads think she'd pilot
>>98937472I need to rewatch that.
>>98937472Nothing, she's a fucking mechanic
>>98937134The 1R it is then
>>98937472She’s a crackshot sniper, put this woman in a Griffin NOW
>>98937472One of Dr Banzai's hand built experimental Hatchetmans. Alternately, Battleaxe.
>>98937134The Vindicator is also a jumpy boy but the AA is made of paper and tinfoil.McCormick will have to be a team player and guard the Highlander but now he can fight at the same ranges.Or he could high roll a Comstar mech and get black bagged into the Comguard. Who knows?
>>98937499So which of the Gundam series I should watch?
>>98937764UC production order. Simple as.
>>98937764Build Fighters and Build Fighters Tri.
>>98937764The two images we posted are from 08th MS Team, it’s a great OVA but it’s not the gritty war drama people will try and tell you it is
>>98937770Honestly, I preferred chronological order. Jumping back to the One Year War from later eras ten times in a row gets a bit silly after a while. Sunrise honestly had the right idea back in the early 2000s giving all the OYW spinoffs up to that point a simultaneous English release with the original before bringing over Zeta.
>>98936975All that luchador training continues to pay off! Truly all the little orphans of The Combine must raise their heads with pride, as Nacho continues to fight in their name!
>>98936726Nobody here cares what mindbroken 40k faggots think about us. We are beyond anything you could ever dream of being. Go back to masturbating over your Horus Horseshit novels and leave the people with actually agency alone. You aren't wanted here. Leave.
>>98936975>another new mechSomeone out there has got to be sprucing up the battle reports, my man is just running the gamut of lights. Give him a few more years he'll drive the prototype tarantula or something.
>>98937764Watch MSG, movie trilogy is fine.Watch Zeta, A New Translation sucks.Watch ZZ, there's no movies.Watch CCA, it's shit but the big finale to that chunk of Gundam.Everything except G is derived from one of these, so go in whatever direction you want. I recommend War in the Pocket, X, Build Fighters original, and any manga from Yuichi Hasegawa. The OYW manga are mostly solid, so I'll also throw in 0083 Rebellion and We're Federation Hooligans, plus Battle Tales of Flanagan Boone.
Rolled 847 (1d1000)>>98938079I have a lore reason for why Wang Lee is being offered the Raven. You didn't say if you want the Raven. Do you?-Alright everyone, listen up. I understand you're anxious for the batrep proper, but it's going to take some time yet. I also understand that people are eager to do their rolls, which I'm also not ready for yet.HOWEVERI do have what I'm calling the roll of fate. A single d1000 roll that everyone gets, including me. The list can be found in this pic here. >>98936975 I figure I can at least let people do their roll of fate awhile. Respond to this post with your character's name in the field instead of anonymous to make your roll. Remember to type "dice+1d1000" in the options menu to roll.ATTENTION!I am also opening up the game to new players. The full rolling will still come later, but people that want to join in can also reply to this post with their Mechwarrior's name, faction affiliation, and their d1000 roll of fate even. Then I can add them to the roster and we'll have their mech and stat rolls done when everyone else is doing theirs too. Everyone is on the honor system to only have 1 character created for themself.>Why those mechs?Nightstar, Marauder II, Annihilator, and BattleAxe I have minis of, but they never get used and would like to. Atlas and King Crab are epic mechs in their own right. The Black Knight is just really cool and I would love for someone to get one. Those are the IRL reasons this roll is happening. If anyone actually gets one, I can come up with lore reasons why they get the mech. Good luck everyone. Statistically, it's very likely that we all roll nothing, but there's technically a chance.
Rolled 17 (1d1000)>>98938325Can't be worse than her luck with getting head injuries?
>>98938420>critical failureI choose to believe she banged her head off the wall when rolling.
>>98937764Are you interested in having an idea what's going on in Gundam as an IP, or do you want to see shows that are good?
Rolled 848 (1d1000)>>98938325Sure, I'll take the Raven, I just didn't want to rush into snatching up my new mech while you're still busy finishing everything, felt impolite.
Rolled 140 (1d1000)>>98938325Clearly the Locust is working, but sure.
Rolled 235 (1d1000)>>98938325Like in most things, the answer to why we get those mechs can always be Comstar.
>>98938325What do I need to roll by the way to get a special crash helmet for Rebecca? She clearly needs it.
>>98938692You need to roll a better piloting skill when it comes time for that. Considering you'll be making that roll at -1, it's not looking good for her. But hey, let's not jump the gun on her rolls and even if they can poorly next time, maybe in the 4th year she becomes amazing. Time will tell.Since you're here, any thoughts on your refit options? Personally, I think they're both an improvement over your current one, but the choice is yours.
>>98938724>You need to roll a better piloting skill when it comes time for that.I was thinking more on the lines of giving MW equipment. She keeps getting knocked on the head.>Since you're here, any thoughts on your refit options?Every fiber of sanity should be telling her to take the 3K considering her past performance but I think sticking with the 3R deathtrap would be more fun. Plus she is probably too concussed to think about it at the moment.
>>98937764All of them
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>>98938865>NoCuriosity as to how insane it will be.
>>98938045The guy I responded to might've mentioned 40K, but believe me I was more saying in GENERAL.The fact you instantly went "you're a 40k faggot" says more about how that wargame is living rent-free in your mind more than anything though.
Rolled 5 (1d1000)>>98938325God I hope it's not the BattleAxe, that thing's a bigger shitbox than the Shadow Hawk.
Rolled 610 (1d1000)>>98938325Hand of Blake roll
Rolled 447 (1d1000)>>98938325I don't even want to get a new mech but it would be hilarious. Rollin'
>>98936975I ain't expecting to get any of the Roll of Fates, but it'll be funny if Marik came in ranting to the Handler about how he can totally make the Charger better with a set of adjustments he came up with to make up for his performance, only to get the news that he's getting a brand new one that's properly good.
Rolled 891 (1d1000)>>98939390Certainly ain't gonna get it by fucking up the options, even if I could have sworn I typed it right.
>>98939212>Rolls a 5Does the person who rolls the lowest get bullied or something?
>>98939414Nah, highest that doesn't get it. Lowest didn't even have a chance at getting one of the results, but a high roll technically got close.I say this knowing full well that mine is the highest roll thus far. Just hoping that that doesn't hold at this point.
Rolled 866 (1d1000)>>98938325So, just because I'm pretty detarded, I wanted to confirm. Is Nacho getting two rolls of fate and picking the better one, or is the roll of fate separate from the 2 mech rolls?
>>98939487Roll of Fate is universal, everyone gets their refit offers, some get a mech offer. Custom requests might replace the mech offer if approved?
>>989394871 roll of fate limit per cadet. Your mech rolls will be on the Kurita 3039 RAT when the time comes and you can choose a mech going forward out of the 2 you roll or keep your Blackjack.>>98939212It's not that bad. Not that you had to worry about it with that roll, but all mech rolls are optional replacements.
>>98938025It is good that in a state that does not look after the housing, education and health care of all of its orphans that there are some good men like Ignacio to fight for their interests.
>>98939545>>98939607Ack! Good to know moving forward.
