Previous: >>98919318Cute Goblin edition>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>goblin bolas >Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>tqWhat tribal deck(s) do you love or absolutely hate playing against?
>>98923767>What tribal deck(s) do you love or absolutely hate playing against?I have no strong feelings about any tribe.
>hateAny deck that's just>i do x thing which lets me do x thing and stack itself infinitely :^)
>make black deck that shits out a lot of crappy zombos>basically free counterspells
>>98923800wait fr on god on jah on kirk?I never noticed, I thought it was some set design stuff, I've seen watermarked text boxes before
I want to make a gruul deck entirely because of this sexo card
>>98923767>What tribal deck(s) do you love or absolutely hate playing against?Any UB tribe really, but "Time Lord" makes my piss boil.
>>98923736>>98923742>>98923800because I'm a dumbass who can't read the thread continued here
>>98923739You can be most of those and be obese, see sumo wrestlers. Still that's a 1% edge case of a specific adaptation to a specific purpose, and wouldn't be good for the forest, and 99% of fatsos can't claim to be healthy because "sumo". All in all I agree with you I just recently got into sumo and wanted to talk about it lol
>>98923808I do agree, like I said, I'm a fatso and the last thing I want is to be reminded of it. I want to play as a sexy ghost mafia slut, or as a big scary dinosaur, if I wanted to play as a fat faggot I'd just go outside
I can't wait to get my Star Trek precons tomorrow. I might even call out from work.
>>98923922what an odd image.
>>98923922For star wars precons you're going to miss work... Anon, you deserve to be fired.
>>98923922hipster faggot
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98923922>I can't wait to get my Star Trek precons tomorrow. I might even call out from work.They're not going to sell out they overprinted the fucking shit out of this set. Have fun with them. I buy the secret lair precons assuming they aren't UB.
next square UB when
>>98924068After you finish your transition, sis. Be like your hero Cloud, bottom for burly men!
>>98924068After I get a hellsing ultimate one AND an akira one based off the mango, not the very good movie. I want to have Plane Tetsuo amd Gestalt Kaneda.
>I cast farewell, any reactions?>No, no, no.>Okay, so then I cast Tefari's protection>That doesn't work the way you think it does. You asking us for reactions is you passing prio. After prio returns to you farewell will resolves and you casting t-pro will just be protecting nothing. To phase out your board you need to hold prio with farewell on the stack and immediately cast t-pro in response. Then you can keep holding prio or pass.>Oh, that's just how I've always done it. Can we roll it back?>Sure.>So, I cast farewell, the cast t-pro. Any reactions?>Yeah, I flip my blue samut that was manifested face up, which is a free action and doesn't use the stack, then pitch FoW and this blue creature to cast commandeer on your t-pro
>>98924133>Free actionIt still requires prio
>>98924139>Any reactions >Which is passing prio
>>98923922They'll be relatively cheap. I shan't buy them though, they really look like shit.
>>98924068Xenogears remake would be awesome
>>98924139Commander players, everyone.
>>98924145It's also not a free action. It's a SGA.
>>98923792>Basically free>Pay two blue, a colorless, and a creature
>>98924254702.37e Any time you have priority, you may turn a face-down permanent you control with a morph ability face up. This is a special action; it doesn’t use the stack (see rule 116). To do this, show all players what the permanent’s morph cost would be if it were face up, pay that cost, then turn the permanent face up. (If the permanent wouldn’t have a morph cost if it were face up, it can’t be turned face up this way.) The morph effect on it ends, and it regains its normal characteristics. Any abilities relating to the permanent entering the battlefield don’t trigger when it’s turned face up and don’t have any effect, because the permanent has already entered the battlefield.
>>98923805More like Grool Dick amirite guiz
>>98923792You'll get lots of counterspells in stock, but definitely not for free.
>>98923805bare shoulders? showing thigh? sleeveless?!wotc could never
>TQCounterspell tribal Board wipe tribalEspecially if they don't have a wincon beyond hope you scoop
>>98923800>>98923736gismedat obzedat>tqlove playing knights, hate goblins. simple as (pic rel). I do white black knights with Squall Seed Merc as the general, although I've wanted to add a 3rd color since Herald of Hoofbeats is blue and a silly card but I don't want the common general of Sidar Jabroni as commander. Red would be cool and theres a few interesting red knight cards but 2 color is still good. and potentially cheaper land-wise (although a plateau is what still $170 for a beat copy?)I don't mind zombies but not super into them. I have some zombie tribal cards in a deck just to support a commander but its not zombies deck (Thraximundar, which is also just as much tribal Assassins as it is zombies)if ur-dragon wasn't done to death dragons might be cool although I do have a Smaug the Impenetrable combo sloppa deck although again, not a ton of the tribal dragons thing, but several support cards (dragon speaker shaman, draconic visitor etc).I wanted to do tribal Sphinges but haven't done it yet. and my favorite new Sphinx is green white (Kwia, kicks a lot of ass) but the tribal commanders, at least from what I can see the best ones are white blue black including the Ur Sphinx and the recent SLD reprinted one. Not so sure I'd care to even do another 5 color deck though. next tribal decks I'm brewing are either red white black soldiers (although I cant decide if Caesar from Fallout or Colonel Mustard which he's just r/w should be commander). I dont have a r/w/b yet though and blue/black thieves (rogues tribal).
>>98924292Yes notice how it says special action not free action.
>>98924360i don't see SGA there
>>98924133Even if he did it incorrectly the first time you could still cast commandeer. I don't understand what this larp is trying to convey
>>98923767>What tribal deck(s) do you love or absolutely hate playing against?"Do you have it" tribes are utter slop. Things like elfball, slivers. Decks that rush out the gate and blow their loads, but you sandbagged a toxic deluge you mulled for so now they lose.
>>98924381he's desperately trying to justify his internal take that blue samut was going to break the format (it was the #1 most overrated card of the year)
>>98924472Tribal decks are best played against other tribal decks in a race war game.Only wizard tribal really stands it's ground in normal EDH.
>>98924472then again how many boardwipes do you have in your deck other than toxic deluge? the risk-reward calculation heavily favors forcing your opponents having the silver bulletit's also a crucial lesson to voltron players to not kill the control player because you need him to wipe the board and you'll have a better chance fighting the control player than outdamage creature vomit
>>98924404Did gobpedo get banned or something
>>98924484>then again how many boardwipes do you have in your deck other than toxic deluge? the risk-reward calculation heavily favors forcing your opponents having the silver bulletIt depends on the deck, of course. But it's also just a boring as shit binary. The "risk" is you don't really play much game at all, the "reward" is you win.
>>98924500No the guy who's been spamming toski for years also has the whole 30 life retarded statement and now he see's Gobanon is getting lots of attention so he's taken up genning stupid images in a bid to finally, after all these years, maybe get attention too, but he gave it away by wrapping all his bullshit in one image together with his obvious envy of Gobanon.Just ignore it like his other two bids for attention, I'm really proud of this general for not ever responding to toski or 30 life, don't ruin it.
>>98924501>The "risk" is you don't really play much game at all, the "reward" is you win.and yet that's the logical conclusion of the 'let me do the thing' sheldon cocksucker mindsetat least cedh players wouldn't be mad if the pod stopped their winning push, casual is rife with crybabies
>>98924473yeah that was a retarded take lol
>>98924500Not that I know of. I was being passive-aggressive. gob spams his ai-lewds, so I was spamming ai generated images back at him.
>>98924510I ruined it. No hard feelings, I just hate anons on pedestals.>>98923967>>98924358
>>98924484There's two types of decks:>Let me do thing>Nuh uh nobody do thing
>>98924068Personally I hope they do Legend of Mana but I'm like the only person that would buy it.
What do you guys think about precons that feature infinite combos? Do you think it is power creep? Perhaps this is WOTC steering Commander in the direction they want?I am (mostly) a precon-only player because I am too autistic (or maybe, not autistic enough) to engage with the bracket-system and rule-0. I prefer to play with no combos. The thought "infinite combos are allowed, if they are printed in a precon by default" doesn't sit well with me. So I power-down my precons (I bring in a few card substitution, and ask the table in rule-0 "this precon contains a combo, can I still play it? Otherwise I will sub some cards"). This is a flimsy solution, but it works for me, for now.Do you think precons containing infinites is going to become a more common thing? Do you think WOTC makes these considerations when they make infinites in precons (or do they just print new cards wily-nily)?
Hey guys is this card okay or is it too weak? Pls ignore the snow part in snow creature.
>>98924633>Perhaps this is WOTC steering Commander in the direction they want?a deck having an infinite is fine and wotc is telling people to expect that in everyone's deck, but what wotc doesn't want is for everyone to be racing for their infinite asap ala cedhbut really there's no way to argue just what would be an acceptable 'consistency' in being capable of having an early infinite so really the answer is that wotc wants you to be able to combo off, just in the 'appropriate time' (that's turn 9 in b2 btw)
>>98924646It is WOTC tradition that Wolf and Werewolfs have to be unplayably bad. So it is probably too strong in that sense. It's not gamebreaking. It's like Rin & Seri but worse. Shouldn't it be a legendary so it can be your Commando?
>>98924633It takes luck to set up an infinite when you're working with precons, so it's generally fine. People are less fine if you fine-tune a deck so you can infinite, especially at lower brackets when shit's more casual.Precons never design with an infinite in mind, at least for now. So you should be okay.
>>98924699No, people are not "fine" with infinite.It was situationally amusing 20 fucking years ago.Now it's " for fuck's sake, this again? we get it you can use the fucking internet to break the game, good for you kiddo"
>>98924674>It is WOTC tradition that Wolf and Werewolfs have to be unplayably bad. So it is probably too strong in that sense. It's not gamebreaking. It's like Rin & Seri but worse.Should I make it a 4 drop instead then? >Shouldn't it be a legendary so it can be your Commando?I'm making Temur Wolf Dogs.
>>98924633>precon-only playerIt's hard to imagine a more miserable way to play the game. That being said, no. I imagine they don't expect to print infinites but Wizards just sucks at evaluating power so things sneak by sometimes. Same way we get day one errata of cards. Things just slip by. I wouldn't expect it to be intentional unless every precon group since then had at least one infinite included.
>>98924712This should specify 'untapped' Wolf or Dog. Kinda messy either way though
>>98924722>unless every precon group since then had at least one infinite includednowadays at least 1 precon of every main set has an infinite/altwinconno better example than edge of eternities, where the hearthull deck has gitrog dakmor and the inspirit deck has darksteel reactor
I fucking love Goblin women
>>98924722It's not even as if infinites are strictly disallowed from precons. The rules of Bracket 2 is to not have a 2-card combo, and for a game to go for 8+ turns. The Tidus deck fails bracket 2 not for having an infinite, but for potentially winning on turn 3 with a god draw.
>>98924805both world shaper and counter blitz are b2, the issue is that they have a chance to win early, but the simple solution is for them to sandbag itcounting whether a combo is 2 card or 3 card is dumb and misses the whole point; why would it matter what the components of my combo is if i ended the game at the right time? are you really going to tear your hair out because i went jace wielder of mysteries + dcon on turn 10?also it's funny that edhrec insists that twinflame + dualcaster mage is a 2 card combo even though you need another creature for it
>>98923805Gruul is based af
>>98924834>"sandbag the win until turn x because this is bracket y"When I say I am too autistic for brackets this is the sort of thing I am talking about.No, that's not an acceptable solution. Not to me anyways.
>>98924722Precons should be bannedNot for infinite, but for being retarded as a conceptObviously with wizard "in charge" of the fan format this would have to be a "house rule"
>>98924849>i'm gonna gimp my deck by not playing cedh slop staples, it's a casual game after all why are people so sweaty>i'm not even going to play diabolic tutor or any tutors, true singleton is the way to play i don't care if i'm not consistent>but goddamnit if i have my combo I MUST PLAY IT ASAP BECAUSE I WANT TO WIN>SANDBAGGING IT UNTIL TURN X?! NOOOOOOO THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESScasuals are funny because they inevitably reveal their true intentions
>>98924849it's all fun and games until someone can combo off earlier and more consistent than you in the kiddie pool
>>98924871The attitude is that you "pull your punches" during deck-building / deck-selection, and when you are actually playing the game you "play to win".
>>98924834People tend to just not put consultation in their casual decks either way, it's just associated so heavily with cedh that most people seem to have a consensus to not play it anywhere else
>>98924891>just play like cedh does bros, just with shittier cards!ah, casuals
>>98924892so are you gonna cry if i play bloodletter of aclazotz + fraying omnipotence turn 10?
>have a toph, greatest earthbender deck for duel commander>love it so much>no one plays anymore on my city since magic died>close friends hop into edh>cant make that toph work>can use the cards for other decks>feel too sad to dissasemble the deck even though i will never play itWritting this, made me realize maybe i have a deep problem about somrthing else and is not the deck...
>>98924905Turn 10? Why would I
>>98924915exactlyit's all about 'when' you pop offturn limits on infinites and altwincons solves so many issues and anyone whining that their turn4 infinite is being gimped only show that they were never interested in playing a casual game where voltron even has a chance to win god forbid
>>98923767>TQVampires baby. Ixalan orzov vamps are great but Mardu, dimir and rakdos are great too
>>98924891>including infinite in your deck is "pulling your punches"
>>98924922No, it's been thoroughly demonstrated that this makes endless arguments.the GC list is not a hard binary qualifier for brackets 3/4, it is possible to have 8 GC's and be a 3, it is possible to have none and be a 4.If you include infinites you're advertising that you want to play in 4.
>>98924941When your infinite is clunky enough that it literally can't be fully deployed until the appropriate turn for the bracket, yes.
>>98924941I think there was a misunderstanding or reading comprehension issue. I was advocating powering-down precons because they are too strong. My position is that if a table gave me permission to play a precon that contained an infinite, and the situation came up where I could infinite early, I would go for it. I already "punched down" by selecting to play a precon.This conversation has proven to be unpleasant. Maybe I should just take the infinites out and not even ask the table about it.
>>98924951>it is possible to have 8 GC's and be a 3incorrect, b3 specifically says 3 GCs max>If you include infinites you're advertising that you want to play in 4.also incorrect, infinites are part of the game and even the shittiest archetypes like mill have brudivac + maddening cacophony for infinite mill
How do I play Duel Commander exactly?
>>98924968Bracket system also states it is a guideline, not stone-writtenAlso bracket system says things like>Deliberately holding a fast combo until turn seven doesn't make it Bracket 3And given that you can play rocks on every turn, then rituals too, EVERY infinite combo fails to meet this.
>>98924977Its garbage, anon, dont do it. I did it cuz i knew nothing better at the time
>>98924979>Deliberately holding a fast combo until turn seven doesn't make it Bracket 3ok so you wouldn't mind if my deck happens to combo off 33% of the time turn 5 in a 3GC b3 deck right? what about if i have a deck that combos off early 20% of the time? 10%? where do you draw the line so i can gaslight your pod that my deck is totally 'inconsistent and casual'
>>98924980If you say so, I trust you
>>98924965>Maybe I should just take the infinites out and not even ask the table about it.Good call, but better to build your own deck.it's still a precon until at least 30 of the nonland cards are swapped, which means changing its theme or powering it up.Just attempt to be original instead.
>>98924965have fun gimping yourself while your opponents combo off with a ham sandwich, autistic anon
>>98924992Reading comprehension is not your forte
>>98925002>bracket system says this>oh it's not actually practically enforceable?>um... reading comprehension is not your forteyou clearly have no ability to anticipate future issues, never apply for workplace safety
>>98924068>tfw Bandai Namco collab never ever
>>98924646>>98924712Why not use cardconjurer? The formatting looks a little off-brand.
>>98924834The composition largely matters in terms of how easy it is to notice and disrupt the combo. >a 2 card combo even though you need another creature for itYou could equally make this case for Exquisite Blood and Sanguine Bond, since those don't do anything unless there's another source of lifegain or damage. At a certain point something still counts as a 2-card combo if the third piece is something generic.Same way that nobody counts basic lands as part of a combo even though you need mana.
I'm dumb as a rock, what deck should I play?
How do you guys learn how to make a deck?
>>98925041>At a certain pointplease define this 'certain point'please make everyone's lives harder arguing with the most trivial minutiae when ultimately nobody cares if you win with bloodletter of aclazotz + fraying omnipotence on turn 10 since you did 'at the appropriate time', as >>98924915 correctly deduced
>>98925046you just make it up with what you have then you playtest it on forge or untap and you gradually finetune itif you're completely clueless, you could go on edhrec and pick your commander's average deck at your chosen bracket and budget as a template to work on
>>98925007The point is you moron, that gavin's statements are incoherent bullshit.He even used sanguine bond + exquisite blood as a mana intense late-game infiniteexcept sol ring, jet medallion, pristine talisman make it pop off turn 4 or 5 easy and he also says bracket 3 means games last AT LEAST until turn 6.this does not mean you build to end the game turn 7 either, this means you build to make winning IMPOSSIBLE before turn 7.but gaving is, again, a moron who can't do basic math on the card combo he specifically named, much less look at edhrec to find the many thoroughly documented infintie combos.So while his words are hypocritical his intent is fairly clear.Keep the infinite combos out of bracket 1-3, don't use his stupidity as an excuse to go "tee-hee" and slot it in knowing his example failed to meet basic EDH mana ramp standards.He also made the asinine statement of "intentional combos bad, accidental combos okay"Except this is the era of netdecking so "accidental" infinite? Fuck. Right. Off.intention can't be objectively determined, but deck capacity can.
>>98924705^^ This retard 100% plays green, and DEFINITELY runs Craterhoof. Some colors quote literally are unable to make a meaningful impact to win unless the threat of a combo exists. This is a direct result of printing cards for 1v1 20 life and then scaling everything up to 1v1v1v1 40 life. If you don't like it, rally to have starying life totals be 20.
>>98925058>Keep the infinite combos out of bracket 1-3you cannot close your eyes from the fact that mtg incentives combos and that it's part of the gameif you're incapable of defending yourself from a turn 9 infinite in b2 then you should play in b1 and have exhibition matches where infinites are banned outright
>>98925076this
>>98925053>please define this 'certain point'"if the third piece is something generic". If you're too retarded to grasp what that entails, then you shouldn't be allowed outside unsupervised.
>>98925076RAMP, ROCKS, RITUALS.No infinite combo is a turn 9.
>>98924965You are making it way more of an issue that it needs to be. Honestly I think you'd run into more problems because you're playing an unmodified precon.
>>98925098>if the third piece is something generic>so it's a combo where it's A + B + whatever other creature is in your deck>so it's a 3 card combo technically still yeah? so why whine about it in b2?>because it's... um... too consistent cuz it's generic?>ok what if i have 20 generic creatures? what about 14? 10? 8? where do you draw the line?>um... um.... If you're too retarded to grasp what that entails, then you shouldn't be allowed outside unsupervised.
>>98925037I probably should.
>>98925041>Exquisite Blood and Sanguine BondWhich was the most reatrded example gavin could have picked if you factor in that he also said>the game doesn't end until turn 7>holding the combo and waiting for turn 7 doesn;t count, that it CAN be deployed before then mattersForget ramp, rocks and rituals. One of those is played turn 4, the other turn 5, using the creature or life gain you deployed on turns 1,2 or 3, you pop off on turn 5, so in a vacuum his stated example violates his own stated rules.
>>98925100>No infinite combo is a turn 9.it is if you sandbag it until turn 9.>inb4 you cry that you're being told to sandbag
>>98925112>he's too retarded to grasp what it entailsSad
>>98925127>he can't answer how many generic creatures i can put in my deck so my 3 card combo can finally enter the b2 kiddie pool
>>98924544love this. so much this. >>98924633whats the infinite in the tidus deck? I have it, walking ballista is in it but I'm unaware of what the combo would be with it. I used it to make 3 other decks>>98924653combos just seem wholly inappropriate in most of commander anyway. its about your commander defeating the opponents. being the last man standing>>98924722theres lots of new chuds getting into the game and thats how people are stepping their toes into the game. either the Jace precon 4 color sloppa or one of the mono color Foundations ones. then they add a couple cards and then start getting the idea to brew up shit>>98925058Gayvin's opinions on commander are irrelevant in the greater whole of the game >>98925046what do you mean by that? you pick the cards you want to play. you put them in the deck. then you put in other cards that will help you support and buff your main parts of your deck, or protect your commander. and you have mana dorks, mana rocks and land to round it out. which the answer is a commander deck needs 37 lands, or 38 if more than 5 of those lands are colorless, and you should have a minimum of 2 basics of each type but more is better, especially in 2 color. >>98925044which ever one you want. do the red green white Cloud ff7 deck and add this dude from ff5 in it (pic rel) but switch Tifa to the commander and replace the card Dispatch with Swords to Plowshares and Chaos Warp with Beast Within and its probably also a good idea to put in Path to Exile and Disenchant. and one land over to a Demolition Field
My apologies for shaking up the hornet's nest by asking about combos and brackets, always a contentious issue. Maybe I should go back to posting anti-gob ai images instead.
>>98925046I honestly sucked ass at deck building at first, really you learn as you go and see what fits. When I made this guy the deck just didn't work whatsoever until I saw what worked with what he wanted to do. He's no longer my lifegain commander but he showed me what and what not to do
>>98925136>combos just seem wholly inappropriate in most of commander anyway. its about your commander defeating the opponents. being the last man standinghere's your god sheldon understanding that combos in principle are fine and are part of the game, he just didn't want edh to 'devolve' into it (meaning there's an appropriate time to do it)
>>98925145>he's an anti-ai ludditeno wonder you hate infinitesyou can't accept that technology marches onyou can't accept that edh has marched past 5 mana do nothings
>>98925120>holding the combo until turn 7 doesn't count, if you CAN deploy it before, that's what mattersGavin's words, paraphrased of course but the meaning was clear, CHOOSING to wait is not what matters.
>>98925100No mana acceleration until t4, then.
>>98925151>if you CAN deploy it before, that's what mattersso is it ok if my deck can deploy a turn 5 infinite 33% of the time?no? too consistent?what about 20%?10%?please tell me the answer
>>98925148Combos and Infinite Combos are not the same thing dumbass.
>>989251540.5% of the time
>>98925156thoracle + dcon is a noninfinite combo so it should be fine fine for b2 right? :)
>>98925153that's still choosing to hold the pieces until later.Intent cannot be objectively established, deck capacity can.If you put in infinite, I'm putting down my bracket 4.
>>98925154you wer already told multiple fucking times 0% chance before turn 7, meaning no infinites, period.
>>98925158>tsk tsk anon, your deck has a 0.599999999% chance to combo off early, it's too strong for b2, please go to the cedh pod
>>98925114Formidable is a pseudo keyword, which means it doesn't do anything. You need to write out the entire "if creatures you control have total power 8 or greater, you can't sacrifice this enchantment."Alternately, the slightly less insane "at the beginning of your end step, sacrifice this enchantment unless creatures you control have total power 8 or greater">>98924712"Whenever an opponent draws a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, you may tap a wolf or dog. If you do, that creature deals 2 damage to that opponent.">>98924646It's "name, title" ignore the marvel sets, they aren't real.Don't use X here, just "a number of <tokens> equal to the number of nontoken <creature type>s you control. Otherwise X would need to be the same number both times. Probably didn't need to be "then" either. "When @ enters the battlefield, create a number of 2/2 green Wolf creature tokens equal to the number of nontoken Dogs you control and a number of 1/1 Dog creature tokens equal to the number of nontoken Wolves you control."@ is LEGENDNAME, the name before the comma, in this case 'Texas'. Because this is s legendary creature name. Also none of this card is blue.
>>98925165>you wer already told multiple fucking times 0% chance before turn 7, meaning no infinites, period.what's the difference between that and being told to sandbag the infinite you have in hand? other than hating to be told what to do ofc.
>>98925136>thats how people are stepping their toes into the game.I think you misunderstand. I have no issue with people who started with a precon and build from there. The point is it's a foundation to build from and grow the deck form there. The miserable thing to do is to only play a base unmodified precon. That's fucking ridiculous and bad for everyone involved.
>>98925160>this thing I can do turn 2 meets the no-win before turn 7 possible format, right?
>>98925178>sandbag the infinite you have in hand?I think this is going to be the fifth time I repeat the bracket system stance on this...If you CAN deploy before turn 7 THAT IS NOT BRACKET 3
>>98925178>what's the differenceIn the bracket articles they talk about how that still counts as a low turn infinite. We have this conversation every thread, should I be disappointed that you don't read every thread or that you do and bring out up every time anyway?
>>98925145>ai to beat aiYoure as bad as gobpedo.Might as well rename the general slop+ccg with how this threads going
>>98925187>tell him what sheldon said about combos>combos and infinites are not the same thing!>ok so thoracle is ok?>nooo not like thaaaat
>>98925193>If you CAN deploy before turn 7 THAT IS NOT BRACKET 3again, solved by being told to sandbag your combo until turn 7, bonus points you don't have to be anal about looking at people's decklistsyou just hate being told what to do, you little kid lmao
>>98925203>>98925228
>>98925213What sheldon said alone is one piece of the puzzle, the other piece is what has been repeated a dozen times in each of the last half dozen threads AND in this one.If you can win before turn 7, you're in bracket 4 or 5.This means you can have non-infinite combos that do not WIN by themselves in bracket 3.Combo doesn;t mean "Card X + Card Y = Card Z = Win"Combo means "Card X + Card Y + Card Z = Cool Thing that exceeds the sum of it's parts"
>>98925228>bracket system says sandbagging is not a workaround, sandbagging doesn't work to lower bracket>"Oh so if I sandbag I lower my bracket?"
>>98925228So if I mindslaver your turn 4 and cast it then, can the LGS owner donate your bomb collar?
>>98925241>says gavin is wrong>yeah he's wrong about sandbagging because there's no good way to argue what's 'inconsistent enough'>noooo actually bracket system says sandbagging is not a workaround so gavin's right!!lolthere's no practical difference between building a deck that cannot infinite at all until turn 7 and a deck that's being told not to infintie until turn 7, you just hate being told what to do
>draw my 4 mana combo piece and play it, it's not removed>draw my 5 mana combo piece and play it, it's not removed>draw my 6 mana combo piece and play it, ask if theirs any responses before I win>wtf man this is bracket 3 you cant combo before turn 715 mana combos are NOT bracket 3 THIS IS TOO COMPETATIVE MY FUNGUS/SAPROLING DECK SHOULDNT NEED REMOVAL!
>>98925114The Good:>cute idea>credited artist/was honest about using AIThe Bad:>picrel exists>Wonky text placement. Use Cardconjurer.>"Formidable" must be italicized. OR, if you want it to be an actual keyword, the reminder text hast to be in parenthesis and italicized.>No proof reading: "sacrifice this [card name] was probably "sacrifice this enchantment".>You don't want the foil sticker unless you have some good tech to actually print it. Even then, the bow should be purple instead of yellow/gold>No Set or release year is also weak. Makes the collector info look weirdly off-brand. Again cardconjurer would fix it.>Textbox should fade from blue to red/not be gold frame.Most importantly:>NO FUCKING 1/8 MARGIN FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!
>>98925237>oh here's my cool thing since you asked>stop overshadowing my cool thing!!infinites are part of the game no matter how much you seethe greenfag
>>98925212You are right. I was having fun, but I was getting carried away. I should stop posting ai slop.>>98925180This makes me sad. I play a precon to avoid people on my case. Previously, people told me "build anything you like", so I build a deck that builds around Armageddon and strip-mine locks and people gave me a hard time about that too, so it never ends. Unironically, I have a hard time navigating these unwritten social rules.
>>98923140I couldn't really pick one I liked more than the others, so I made 3.If you want something radically different, let me know. >>98924554I find them amusing, but perhaps channel your imagination towards something more than thread politics? Or not, like I said, they are amusing.>>98924606Expand it to the entire Mana-verse. I'd buy a set with Secret of Mana cards in it like mad.
>>98925278you still went infinite early, doesn't matter whether you used someone else's cards or not
>>98925296AWOOOOOOGA
>>98925282>my 15 mana infinite combo that has the added benefit of being cast in separate pieces piecemeal so it should be allowed!>it's 15 mana!!!lol imagine saying this when this is banned
Where to buy foundations precons as a eurofag?Local gamestore doesn't have them (yet) and maybe never will because the order is still not shipped "due to delays"Also: What price is acceptable for all 5? MSRP is 30$ per deck but that does not include tax,because amerimutts love not actually knowing how much something will cost them. So how many €€ are acceptable for these? Is going into an LGS even the best choice? I don't care about which language they are in but don't want to import.
>>98925237Right.Act of Treason + Fling, is a combo.Brash Taunter + Star of Extinction, is a comboRepercussion + Blasphemous Act, is a combo.
>>98925296yoo I wish you posted moar
>>98925338>Repercussion + Blasphemous Act, is a combo.it's also not allowed in b3 according to edhrec
>>98925358This is proof right here that EDHREC is not a honest actor. It requires 2 cards + 4 seperate creatures to make it lethal. So unless you're saying Lightning Bolt is a 1 card combo (assuming your opponent is at 3 or less life), this whole argument is retarded on it's face.
>>98924633I'd be more okay with it if the decks came with a card saying "hey, this is a combo in the deck, tell the people you're playing against!" and/or have more interaction in them than they currently are shipped with.
>>98925338Knowledge Pool + Drannith MagistrateHumility + Opalescence
>>98925358Incorrect, Bracket 3 is determined by winning combos, if you apply your interpretation then it's illegal to build almost any deck and call it bracket 3.
>>98925315I refuse to gimp a 15 mana 3 card combo because 3 retards refuse to run interaction at a table.It's tier 3 sir. Hell 2014 Prossh had a 3 card combo of the sameish cost. Is a precon tier 4 becauze if drawn on curve it wins?
>>98925373and life gain does exist, even if it is overlooked, it's quite possible to move yourself out of range of thiscommander damage does not ENTIRELY invalidate life gain.
>>98925373absolutely, edhrec is retardedbut it also shows that many in the community think that blasphemous act + repurcission is a gamewinning combo despite not being an infinite and completely dependent on the boardagain, just shows people are focusing on the wrong thingeveryone knows what an infinite and an altwincon is, so why split hairs on things that aren't? picrel + counter doublers isn't an infinite mill (leaves you with one card in your library) and isn't a you win the game so therefore it should be allowed, arguing further on 'hey this wins more than that' is folly
>>98925136>whats the infinite in the tidus deck? I have it, walking ballista is in it but I'm unaware of what the combo would be with it. I used it to make 3 other decksbalista, hardened scales, gatta and luzzu
>>98925394forgot picrel
>>98925384>Incorrect, Bracket 3 is determined by winning combosincorrectb3 is defined by>up to 3GC>no mld>an idea that the game must see a certain number of turns before it ends (turn 7 actually)>but but if you apply your interpretation then it's illegal to build almost any deck and call it bracket 3.ashling the pilgrim + 99 mountains is b3 to say the least
>>98925386>I refuse to gimp a 15 mana 3 card combo because 3 retards refuse to run interaction at a table.well about if my combo is 14 mana 3 card? is that still ok? what about 13 mana? 12? 11? 10? 9? 8? 7? 6?
>>98925358>npcrechad to check and lol it says it's an infinite too
>>98925292>Find something fun>Stop because some retard on the Internet can't help but whine about it.Don't be a weak man.
For me combos are fine but these are the ones i dislike on principle:>one card combo with your commanderHeliod+Balista, Bruvac plus mill half the deck etc.>you putting in a million tutors to always fish for the combo really early>when you gain life+when an opponent loses life combos and gravecrawler and warren soultrader combosJust seen these so many times that I'm so bored of them>thassas plus tainted pact/consultationGo back to cedh
>>98925412Thats why arguing where the line is and stupid. If you didnt tutor/ramp for it and got lucky comboing 3 5 mana cards together when the table has no interaction? Amazing you got it. Im not gonna write a dissertation on why your deck doesnt belong, im gonna try to rub a fucjing Doom Blade next time knowing to take out obe of those 3 pieces.You wish to live in your ignorance of being a bad player and deckbuilder by arguing semantics while not changing your shitpile or gameplan.
what about my altar of dementia+dualcaster mage+living death comboI think it's coola similar one I run is mistmoon griffin+hofri+goblin bombardment
>>98925449the reason why i advocate for turn limits is because i want shitty decks like voltron and mill to have * a chance* (god forbid a chance) to win a casual game, not be spectators to you guys jacking off with whatever combo can get away with gaslighting everyone that it's 'totally inconsistent bro'
>>98925459How frequently is a Voltron deck allowed to knock out a player by turn 6 before it's no longer Bracket 3?
>>98925449>If you didnt tutor/ramp for itwhat a weird thing to saywhat if my only tutor is a diabolic tutor? are you gonna have a hissy fit because i tutored for my combo? lol
>>98925466people can kill someone t1 through combat damage for all i care, god forbid someone use commander damage and infect
>>98925459So turn 7? A 7 mana card you start with then every other piece has to be 7 mana plus? Like what are you fucking defending here. Any deck that could combo despite not having ramp or tutors is tier 4 and you'll bemoan that what happened on turn 6 was unfair because no one thought to try and interact?You want to hang out at weenie hut fuckin jrs all day in your magical battlecruiser land? Go play solitaire no one can combo you there.
>>98925480>So turn 7? A 7 mana card you start with then every other piece has to be 7 mana plus?are you even backreading? i never said anything about mana>i don't care what your infinite is>i don't care what it's composed of>i don't care how much total mana it costs>just do it by turn X (7 for b3, 9 for b2)it is very telling that you insist to be able to combo off asap, in which case i can easily build a more consistent deck than yours, in which case i'm sure you will be the first to whine that i gamed the system better than you>tldr you just want to play cedh, just with shittier cards
>>98925480>turn 7>7 mana cardNot the same thing, but you already know that.
What a shitshow. I feel reaffirmed that playing precon-only is the correct way to play this game (especially pick-up games with randoms at the LGS. At least with friends you can curate the vibes a bit better). I don't want to discuss the intricacies of what combo is allowed, and why and under what condition. I will only play precons, and if 'The Lord of Games' Mark Rosewater put a combo in the precon, then it was divined from above that it is allowed and bitching about it is strictly prohibited. I don't want to discuss or police what decks my opponents will play either.
>>98925509unmodified precon wars is fun though naturally some decks are much better than others
>rip a pack at my LGS last night for shits and giggles to build some bulk>get pic related and Blight-Priest from the same packSo what kinda deck should I make around em? I got a Hearthull deck I could slot em in I guess but I think that'd be a bit cheap.
>>98925509It's what happens when a casual format gets formalized. All the murky unwritten rules and house rules get raped to hell and back getting scrutinized by rules lawyers. Precons are built to never excel at any one thing, even the core concept they advertise. WotC at least will leave any optimizing to you.
>>98925296doesn't embody anything about grenzo, kill yourself
>>98925407Obviously the fucking context of THAT comment was the part specifically about combos, NO WINNING COMBOS OF ANY KIND THAT CAN (REPEAT: CAN) WIN BEFORE TURN 7.SANDBAGGING IT DOESN'T COUNT.THIS MEANS NO INFINITE, NO THORACLE, ETC...Even the stated repercussions/blasphemous example fits into this, it was only an example of a combo that does not, by itself, win outright.
>>98925524A bracket 4 infinite drain, obviouslyYou're pretending to be stupid because of the argument currently happening, right?
>>98925541no, I'm not good at deck building and wanted to know what to do with the cards I just got :(
>>98925496>>98925495Your arguments make no sense that it be by turn 7 but you cannot sandbag but mana doesnt matter but it CANNOT be done before 7.Pleas enlighten me what combo is okay so I can be as ignorant as you
>>98925296NTA but FWIW I think the middle one is the best.
>>98925533>NO WINNING COMBOS OF ANY KIND THAT CAN (REPEAT: CAN) WIN BEFORE TURN 7.>SANDBAGGING IT DOESN'T COUNT.you still haven't shown the practical difference between them, why doesn't sandbagging count?and gavin himself allows infinites and altwincons, he just trusts you're gonna be honest with yourself on how consistent yoru deck is on that (lol goodluck with randoms)you're really having a hard time here
>>98925552you can thoracle dcon me, just do it by t7 in b3why is this so hard to grasp? because you want to have your 0.5% chance to lucksack a t3 win with it? then if that's the case why shouldn't i maximize my chances of winning t3 with it in b3 by running all the tutors and redundancies like labman?
>>98925547that + Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood and the other two functional duplicate pieces, vampiric tutor, demonic tutor, sol ring, charcoal diamond, pristine talisman, lake of the dead, cabal coffers, nirkana revenant, crypt ghast, blood artist, and a thin excuse of a vampire tribal wrapped around it with the best removal and sacrifice outlets you can find.I'm sure if you just glance at edhrec, moxfield, archidekt or tappedout you will find a few hundred minor variations on exactly what I just said.
>>98925555because the bracket system EXPLICITLY SAYS SO
>>98925573>because the bracket system EXPLICITLY SAYS SOincorrect
>>98925552IF IT IS POSSIBLEThat is the difference.Your "intent" does not matter, there is no side-eyeing your way out of bracket four by saying "Oh I didn't know!" or "Oh I wouldn't do that!"Very simple.You run thoracle+dc? I put a bracket 5 deck on the table. You run ANY infinite? I put a bracket 4 on the table.
>>98925574Says it right there at the bottom, the full explanation clarifies those bullet points, you're just an ignorant That Guy bitch.Also note the "beta" at the top.
>>98925585>Says it right there at the bottomoh really?>no 2 card combos in b2 (game enders, lockouts or infinites)>meaning 3+ combos in b2 (game enders, lockouts or infinites) are allowedlmaoyou are melting down now
>>98925592Really, it's fine that you're being an ignorant That Guy about this, it's good even! A few thousand jackasses trying to technicality break the brackets is exactly what will cause it to be adjusted to putting ANY infinite and ANY win-combo and ANY alt-win con into bracket 4 as a minimum hardline rule.
>>98925579man imagine being this afraid of brass's bounty + reiterate w/ buyback
>>98925601Imagine being such a nogames armchair secondary jackass that you try to sneak competitive bullshit into a clearly defined casual environment.But you know what? It doesn;t matter, you don't play and if you tried to you'd find yourself rejected from every playgroup within an afternoon at any LGS.
>>98925600>fine you beat me!>but wotc will ban ALL infinites in b2 IN TWO WEEEEEEEEKS
>>98925606>anakin, a 13 mana 2 card infinite mana combo that cannot be played piecemeal is competitive bullshit, stop it with your nonsense
>>98925610You didn't beat anyone, you didn't win anything.All you've done is thoroughly explain that your IQ sits somewhere below 85 and that you have no social skills.There is no point in continuing to explain to you in great and exacting detail, how wrong you are.You either know and you are pushing this on for being the only form of social engagement you can get in your sad life, or you lack the processing power to ever know.
>>98925620>you know what's social skills? melting down because somebody did the hands thing to signify infinite mana with isochron + dramatic reversal
>>98925579>>98925567So if i have the combo in my opener I sandbag? Your arguing in circles. This is why you just build a better deck that doesnt fold to a stiff wind on t7
>>98925600The major caveat is at the top with>Players expect...That makes everything a soft rule, not hard. If the pod's kosher, whatever goes man.
>>98925626or you can just play cedh so you can play all the best cards and stratswe're not playing tournament so we're not drawing like retards and all our cards are fake anyways, why even bother with casual nonsense?
>>98925530If you say so.
>>98925459Then advocate for 20 starting life total, like the game was always designed around, and how big table Free-For-All games were always ran prior to this monkey format taking over the entire franchise.
>>98925643>Then advocate for 20 starting life totalit's too late for that nowmono red will skyrocket past simic overnight
I think the people looking to add retarded restrictions to the game would be much happier just playing Pauper Commander. It literally solves 99% of your problems, so go there.
>>98925655>Meta shifts from turbo ramping + draw engines into early game interractions to stave off the Red playerLiterally, and unironically, how Magic the Gathering is supposed to be played. You've only presented upside.
>>98925656>pauper commander>where everything's going for an infinite because boardwipes are rare
>>98925659that's just cedh gameplay, except you're staving off ojer axonil instead of necro naus turbo
>>98925635>BEHOLD! A CEDH COMBO BY THESE STANDARDS! FEAR IT'S POWER!
>>98925669>cedh is just playing MtG
Nobody gets (You)s because you're all retards; here it is plain and simple:Commander is a game of high variance. Realistically you're looking at over 50 unique cards in the 99 even in decks that are hilariously overdone on mana. Unless you're doing ultra stupid lean mulligans, you can realistically play two games back to back where you will not share a single card between the two. The reason why Brackets discuss the 'expectation' of round numbers and win conditions is because balancing the game on the threat of a christmas-land peel out is fucking stupid. Before I took it out, my mill deck could just drop pemmins aura, paradise mantle and the commander (Neerdiv) and mill the whole table turn 4 (and probably turn 3 if I tried). Calling the deck Bracket 4 for that was silly if I had few ways to make it happen and it was only going to show up one in like 30 or 40 games; but also because of its inconsistency I took the combo out so it wouldn't do that randomly. Having a deck sometimes win early for reasons outside of your control is also possible; the point is though that the deck has an expected performance profile that matches other decks of a similar power level.The criticisms that brackets are 'vibes based' or 'not hard rules' are disingenuous to begin with: outside of tournament play which I find extremely inadvisable in the format the bracket rules discuss expectations because the idea of the game is played on a standard of collective agreement and sportsmanship rather than having judges and referees. Welcome to big-kid Magic, you and everyone else at the table are the ones who decide what kind of game you want to play and the Brackets are just lines on the asphalt so you can all agree where the goalposts go and how big the penalty box is.
>>98925681>behold, a b2 deck. it's pretty weak actually.
>>98925682>cedh is just playing mtg optimallycorrect
Is this CEDH?
>>98925292>Build something faggy>Be surprised when people call you a fat for playing itI don't know what you were expecting. Still, you may as well have just stuck with that anyway.
>>98925686>just talk to your pod>if you're obnoxious enough you'll get your way!rule zero never worked buddy
>>98925687Yeah sure I'll play against you because im not a raging faggot who polices decks and I want to get some games in
>>98925010One can only dream.
>>98925687I will be different by adding green! Haha! B2 here I come
How you guys get pulled into the same looping whataboutism arguments every day?
>>98925707Nigga if you can't even read what I wrote how can you expect to get along with people at the table? At a certain point it has to be your autistic ass's fault you can't have fun.
>>98925635But anon can't handle cedh, trying to flex part of that power leven in cazual groups is anons only hope to feel superior.
>>98925716i can have fun with rule zero, where rule zero works exactly how i want it tothe whole reason why brackets were made is so you can play with a rando outside your basement who will be contrarian with everything you say and only the word of god of wotc will placate himlet me guess, your response is to run away right? then you were a rule zero player to begin with
>>98925714We are very bored
>>98925714My job involves a lot of sitting in my truck on-site being merely ready to work some days.I would prefer more anons like Gobanon to pass time with visual interest, but I take what I get.
>>98925709you don't police decks you say? cool, i also have breach combo
>>98924338>flavour text used to quote poetry Has any modern card ever done this?
>>98925735So youre simply a disingenuous faggot cool thanks for replying
>>98925778>oh NOW you want to police decks
I sit down with a new group I ask one question>is anyone running infinite combos or alt wincons?If the answer is yes I put my most powerful deck on the table.
>>98925780>i want to use brackets but i get to define every policy>if not I will play above power levelYoud spend 3 hours arguing then 30 kinutes playing and leave.
>>98925727Your autistic megalomania is noted and inline with the expectations of a multiplayer game; the solution that you may not have considered is 'if I'm going to be an antisocial shitlord and not play in good faith, people other than other antisocial shitlords won't play with me twice'>a rule zero playerI'm sure you imagine this to be some scathing insult, but the idea that someone who talks to other people and comes to agreement on how to play and have fun is something undesirable and craven says a lot about your social skills if not your cognitive abilities
>>98925799>'if I'm going to be an antisocial shitlord and not play in good faith, people other than other antisocial shitlords won't play with me twice'incorrectmy goal is to have a deck with a combo that will successfully gaslight the pod that it's 'inconsistent enough', i get to win AND the pod isn't salty, win-winthat's really what it boils down to if turn limits aren't enforced
>>98925811Well Machiavelli I hope things go well for you. I have it on pretty good authority they won't, but frankly I think you need all the well wishes you can get on your quest to make things harder for yourself for no reason.
>>98925797>stop being better at being technically correct than i am!lol get wrecked
so uh, post dekcs?
>>98925820>I have it on pretty good authority they won'tif you ever bother to backread you will find that you have at least one anon here that thinks yawgmoth is a perfectly fine b2 decki've been proven right well before you decided to chime in on a topic you're blissfully unaware of
>>98925833Oh, I'm sorry I didn't notice there were two retard in the thread; but I'm not paid enough to keep track of everyone who is wrong in the thread on a given day, so if you've got a problem with them, maybe you should talk to them.Maybe before the start of the game.In order to set expectations and ensure everyone has a fun time.Like living, breathing, functional human beings.
>>98925849>please talk to your podhaha ok sure>'hey guys let's play b2'>proceeds to beat them with yawgmoth>hey it's a 3 card combo>and it doesn't happen all the time!>pod nods in agreementi accept your concession
>>98925734Sounds comfy
>>98925831
Bracket 2 Boros Soldiers
>>98925859that demonic tutor is still your prettiest, gobanon
>>98925852Sure thing champ, give it a try and tell me how it goes; or better yet, don't.
>>98925831>>98925860I really, really like this deck. Gives me my boros deck vibes.
>>98925853Fuck no, I'd rather be doing 8-10 hour production line shiftwork like I used to, but those jobs are only for indians/philipinos/thais/somalians nowWhite guys need not apply.Being busy makes a shift fly by, sitting and counting the minutes makes a day feel like a week, then the evening flies by and youre back at work again and it feels like all you're doing is slowly dying on the clock.
>>98925870>or better yet, don't.>please don't prove me wrong any further!haha i suggest you try it yourselfyou'd be surprised at how much you can get away by just saying 'this turn 4 infinite doesn't happen all the time!'
>>98925862Still don't personally agree, but am still glad so many people like it.
>>98925883if you were wondering, it's because of her face not her ass
>>98925890It wasn't her face or her ass I was trying to make sexy.It was her back
>>98925906All of her bits are equally great, the sum exceeds the magnificent pieces.
>>98925872It's weird because monowhite, boros, azorius andorzhov are the color identities I hate, I much preer mono blue, black, red, gruul, rakdos or jund. But the tribal theme makes me like it its a more niche tribe than elves/goblins/slivers.
>>98925882Pretending to be retarded and lying about my deck seems to be a lot of work I could instead just be putting into not being garbage at Magic.Also, I should have been clearer for your autistic ass: That post can be more correctly read as "Okay retard, leave and don't come back."
>>98925872You posted this deck like a year or two agoI proxied it and had a good timeFun build
>>98925929i love that you know instinctively that yawgmoth is too strong for b2 but when i say that there should be turn limits so johnny can at least get to play his yawgmoth in a b2 pod anyway since it was the only deck he brought that night you clutch your pearls
>>98925938Nigga I don't think about Yawgmoth at all. You've invented opposition to a problem I don't have with rules that don't work the way you claim over a situation I'm inclined to believe never happened.
>>98925955>Nigga I don't think about Yawgmoth at all. cool see you in a b2 pod then, don't you dare kick me out pussy
>>98925917Do you have actual mental problems? Do you awhooga awhooga every real pair of tits youve seen? Have you ever even touched a fucking woman? Jesus christ just go on pornhub
>>98925972uh oh foid mad
>>98925978>FOIDKeep jacking it to goblins faggot Im sure itll get you somehwere in life soon
>>98925859>munitions expert, goblin warchief, mad auntie, dragonskull summitNice to see these on the list what's that diabolic intent look like?
>>98925972Please, "real" women rarely hit this level.
>>98925928>Sunblast AngelNow there's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time. Beautiful deck, anon.
>>98925995Its not a goblin.
>>98925931Probably a year ago. Really? That's awesome! I've slowly upgraded it a bit and still need to get a few more cards to switch out.
>>98926005she cute
>tfw even when i'm not playing magic it still pops up>>98923767>TQ: tribal hateMy friend has a Miirym set and keeps getting assblasted that he's archenemy when he's bringing itidk what he expects when he has a Roaming Throne out and blasts Terror of the Peaks or Utvara Hellkite or something, that shit's just too much value
>>98926005She is now
>>98926006It ended up being too powerful for the casual table I play at and not enough for the others but I had a really fun time with itAlso it's just a hell of a good looking deck
>>98926024I dont think he needs you to edit his images
>>98926007>>98926024Thanks, think she was like, the 5th proxy I ever made. She needs to be redone.
>>98926029>an ai fag telling someone else not to edit an ai imageThe irony is fucking palpable
>>98926035>An ai fagI'm not one of them, I'm just stating the obvious.
>>98926029More like, he doesn't need to make me a bespoke image for things he already has that can be minorly tweaked.>>98926033Glad you like the adjustment, I see I need to fix the black border on the top when I get home though.
>remove most of the banlist>bring back the old tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
Got some mail and did some printing today. What did you most recently get in the mail?
>>98926121holy based
>>98926134How many anons have gobanon proxies ITT now?
>>98926139>>98926121Well, I am Gobanon, 3 others now I think?
>>98926139I think about three including me
>>98926148>>98926152so 4 retarded faggots who need to die
>>98926152>>98926148>>98926139>>98926134Start your own fucking thread why dont ya
>>98926165>>98926163I shall be here forever
>>98926165No.
>>98926165No, thank you.
>>98926170>>98926171>>98926179Mentally Ill Schizo
>>98926121Nothin, just waiting patiently for star trek items be allowed to be mailed to me.
>>98926195no u lol
>>98926139Has gob anon done goblin sharpshooter?
>>98926121I got my proxies for my Animar deck. A few cards are real like the Animar himself.
all cards must be proxied
>>98926217Yes I have.
>>98926224I prefer>always proxie before you buy
>>98926224Personally, own the card, but have fun with proxies of whatever, but that's just my own rule.>>98926223That art isn't my thing, but more spooky artist would be best over all.
>>98926237It's not for everyone. Ian Miller is an artist I've liked for a long time.
>>98926224>>98926237My thing is usually >if it's in a LGS and it's not over 40 bucks, buy itAny singles over 40 bucks I proxy. I'm sorry but I'm not paying ~100 dollars for a Demonic Tutor or paying a ton of money to gamble on packs.
I proxy my basic lands because my LGS gives them out for free and I refuse to play this game without paying.
>>98926287>my LGS gives them out for free and I refuse to play this game without paying.Ancient meme callback.
hello fair anons, I need your help selling my collectionI'm yurop, I've sold before and I have my cardmarket account (or is there another european marketplace now?)but I don't know how to easily upload hundreds of cards. Is there any scanning app that can get the set and printing, and hook to cardmarket? I guess grading still should be done manuallythank you in advance
Fucking done with this slop general full of fucking niggers
>>98926306Mana box lets you scan your collection and make lists of all the prints and conditions as well as showing a rough estimate of the market value of your collection. Don't know how it might go with offloading it to a market site, but might be worth a try.
>>98926312See you tomorrow
>>98926225Nice. You do a Guttersnipe yet?
>>98926320Not yet.
Remember the rules!
>>98926291I like it because it was the stupidest fucking argument ever and a perfect example of /edhg/ thinking their circumstances always apply to everyone at all times.
>cute art>cool design and flavor>first thought is an artifact-based burn deck>no U or W locks you out of most artifact support>everything on edhrec is just boring big mana with hydras or eldrazipain
>>98926312Oh no, not the loss of your 'Invaluable contributions' Anon.
>>98926334It was like, what, 3 straight days over 5+ threads long? I'm glad I was there to witness that shit show.
So where's a good place to use custom art for my proxies instead of just using mpcfill for official art to be lazy?
>>98926364let MPCFill set up your order, then go back and replace images with your custom ones.
>>98926337I have a friend who runs her in the 99 of a picrel, with white's and green's token doublers its hurts really hard, really fast.
>>98926337On the other hand, being G means Doubling Season and Parallel Lives. I recall they even stack on each other, so with some luck, you'll get 4 tokens/4 damage/4 mana per attack.
>>98926370Isn't that if I already set em up with photoshop? I was more meaning if there was a tool that'd let me use the borders and text boxes for a card, just to swap the actual art out. Like sure I can just shop em on but if there's a way to make it faster that'd be nice.
>>98926337Usually devolves into them playing archenemy very quickly because those decks are also just removal tribal with a million ways to flicker/copy Roxanne
>>98926337>green's doublers>reds damage doublers and triplers>Things like Ojer Axehole, reckless fireweaver and hedron detonator what ping when artifacts enter.Why would anyone look at her and think "hydras."
>>98926441Jesus
>>98926441KING KONG IN DA TRUNK
>>98926441Ben?
>>98926459Dover
What is one of the most unlikely cards that has ever won you the game?>pic related
>>98926468>UnlikelyThink what you should say is "thing that your opp wasn't expecting" that won you the game.If you're playing Obliterate, you will have a way to use it to your advantage and it will win you the game. Same as all other MLD cards. Its not unlikely.
>>98926468Usually when I overload Cyclonic Rift then wheel my opponents they can't come back from it.
>>98926474It only has synergy with a few cards in my deck, but I just love casting a card and saying "I'm going to obliterate you fuckers."
>>98926468Nobody ever expects my elves to become 20/20s before I cast Craterhoof Behemoth.
>>98926468Cant' save it was unlikely, but I was playing against some reanimate player and when he went to cast reanimate to give a combo piece out of the yard to combo off I deflecting swatted it to make him bring back something that just killed him instead.
>>98926468Insurrection always catches them off-guard.
>>98926033Nvm, couldn't see it on the phone but that one fuzzied the text, this is better.
>>98926468>doesn't hit enchantments, planeswalkers, battles, or tribals ((typals) kindrens)
>>98926468I did this cool combo with Underworld Breach where I could keep bringing back Lion's Eye Diamond to cast Brain Freeze and I milled everyone out.
>>98926468A 25/25 unblockable Boneyard Wurm, Splinterfright and the Lhurgoyf was at over 40/41.They thought I was running a labman deck.
>>98926327Fair enough. I figured you were keeping more in the theme of gobs and while Guttersnipe is a goblin he's more for a different strategy
>>98925745Didn't one the Star Trek Cards do it?
>>98925859looking forward to you doing a goblin for that baleful mastery!
>>98926468One time I cast Farewell on all modes then combined it with Teferi's Protection.
>>98925172>pseudo keywordThey are called ability words.
>>98926514Mostly just did proxies for things I think would be fun for decks. Don't have a deck with guttersnipe in it, but probably will soon.
>>98925237Don't Magic players refer that as Synergy? Or at least the competitive players.
>>98926330Wow you even matched their real life looks.
>>98926541No, synergy is when the two cards do the expected thing that is written right on the card but do it better next to another.Stealing your creature with Act of Treason to then sacrifice it to a fling is a bonus interaction not written on either card. Fling does not steal, Treason does not sacrifice or damage.If the card says "whenever you do X gain X life" and then you have another card that does X, that is synergy. If it's repeatable, it's an Engine.
>>98926536I'm working off MSE, same with 'LEGENDNAME'/@
Is this guy any fun? Anyone have experience building him?
>>98926582he cute :)
>>98926582I used him with picrel, a sac outlet and intruder alarm to make a form of theft deck. It was a nightmare to track.Seems to be a problem I have with commander, to make decks that seem fun but are terrible to play despite them preforming well.
>>98926468Tainted strikebut as a fog
>>98926468A green player went out of there way to tutor every single land out of their deck.Dimir player had this out. They didn't even intend for this to cause a K.O. I had to remind the dimir player that this would trigger.
>>98925859any chance we can get a zoom in of the pizza titties as a food token?
>>98926764At some point.
>>98926771lmao i like how the walls are crumbling and the bedding looks ragged
>>98926548>the guy in the powersuit totally prints fake cardboardYou wishHe'd buy real ones so he can compare them with his fellow VPs like that business card scene in American Psycho
When WOTC put an infinite combo in the Jace precon, was it an accident, or intentional, because I would believe both.
>>98926771i was looking through your album and i noticed the ability text on agathas soul cauldron is missing a line
>>98926771
>>98926795Nah man, in that scene they are comparing custom printed business cards and being competitive about very slight differences in font, material texture, and the precise hue of off-white.Those guys would absolutely get custom printed proxies.
>>98926809Wordy cards piss me off so much.
>>98926809Oh shit, I ordered that one and didn't even notice.Oh well, card alters don't require ability text at all to be tourney legal, it'll work fine. No one is going to be staring at the text.I mean... I didn't.
>>98926808Anon they make most precons with infinites now.
>>98926823Rip, sorry friend.>>98926809They've been fixed.
>>98926808This one might be accidental, cuz out of box, it's completely reliant on luck that you hit Dack with Jace and then Venser with Dack.
>>98926656kek. nice
>>98926808It wasn't accidental. Its not going to be common it will be set up 100% of the time and requires players to have an expert level of rules and triggers to use it perfectly. This was the same with the Temur energy deck, this was the same with the Curse Blight precon deck, and almost every other precon with an infinite in it.
>>98926809>gobpedo is a retard on top of being a pedocan't make this shit up
>no I'm not running MLD I'm just running an artifact>i cast this then cast goblin chainwhirler
>>98926795>new lotus, what do you think
wait a minute chat, Phyrexian Unlife+Solemnity means you can't lose right?
>>98926874Until someone removes one of them, yes.
>>98926838It's fine really, since you fixed it I'll just include it on the eventual next order of cards to have options for the deck, so far I've got 15 of the ones you've made since I ordered put into a folder for that, one more at that number really won't hurt.
>>98926881me on the left
>>98926468I guess I would count this allowing me to discard five cards buff up Hob Goblin in my Jiang Yanggu, alone Deck
>>98926025Nice. It's definitely not bracket 4, but I always thought a solid bracket 3 most of the time. At best a bracket 4 blowout, at worst bracket 2.
>>98926468I've genuinely killed 3 players with this.
>>98926968based
>>98926968the OG
>>98927091new>>98927091new>>98927091
>>98925831ew ai
