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>>11543449do modern kids have the spatial awareness skills not to ruin this in five seconds by trying to close it without it folded in properly / with a toy left inside it?because I'm a fucking hand genius engineer-ass piece of smart, and I have to think I would have ruined this if I had it in single digits..
>>11543452That’s a good point, but let’s be honest, how many kids are actually gonna get this? It’s an Amazon exclusive so it’s not like kids are gonna be able to beg for it when they see it in stores.
Mondo vinyl Slash is still up for order, limited edition of 1000.
“Female Casey Jones” April O’Neil toy when?
>>11543449This would be tight if it was plastic on hinges but just cardboard? Nah. Also missed opportunity for it to be a pizza box
Boss Fight has a version of Garfello coming in their Garfield line 2-packs, up for order now.
>>11543454They get pop ups on their cheap ass Amazon tablets
>>11543455Grossly overpriced like most mondo stuff
NECA Nobody, Raphael as Shredder, Cyborg Donatello are up for preorder on the usual sites.
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>>11543464Not sure how I feel about that Nobody, I don’t really remember him looking like that with the blue lines
>>11543469It's more a gray-white. The lighting just gives it a bluish hue.
>>11543454everything's amazon exclusive if you don't have a car..>>11543455I guess it makes sense for vinyls to be limited, but man, i'd feel like a fucking asstard if I missed out on these and I was a sofubi collector and something prevented me knowing about this. or worse, if i became a sofubi collector later...>>11543459i've been saying forever I want more cheap hinged plastic shit. why aren't there simple clear-plastic detolfs to save money on the glass ones? like yeah it'll get scratched, yeah it's harder to clean, but if you're poor, and all you're putting on the shelf is expensive plastic model kits, who cares?
>>11543469in 2k3 they went for red.it was badass, but the fact it was just the gloves and boots made it feel unbalanced. They should have made his cape interior red too, at the very least. and then maybe a belt.
>>11543463???Mondo's toys are usually very affordable for what they are. All of their large Groman vinyls for example are around $250 and most of his large vinyl stuff is between $500-1000. I just checked and this slash is only $110 which is honestly a stellar price for something like this.
>>11543488>i've been saying forever I want more cheap hinged plastic shit. why aren't there simple clear-plastic detolfs to save money on the glass ones? like yeah it'll get scratched, yeah it's harder to clean, but if you're poor, and all you're putting on the shelf is expensive plastic model kits, who cares?Polly pockets makes it work so playmates shouldn’t have a problem
>>11543458>“Female Casey Jones” April O’Neil>Written by FemThor hack Jason AaronHe's just a one-trick-pony, isn't he?
>>11543449>From Trunk to Turtle LairI like a good cardboard retro playset here and there, but it's Seth Rogen's turtles so not going to buy it even on clearance.
>>11543517holy shit, I thought vinyls were cheap.. it's rotocasting. isn't that the simplest way to produce a three-dimensional representation of a character? I guess the painting would take a lot of labor...>>11543519exactly!>>11543529really has a knack for not knowing the difference between a title and a name. you can replace somebody with a title.
>>11543576Materials still cost money, as does paint. Also smaller runs mean costs go up. Also they're essentially artwork.
>>11543580well that's my point, do more, do them at a lower price..no I'd say the bigger issue here is that immobile vinyl statues are just not as many people's cup of tea.. though they do seem to have seams, I don't know if those are actual points of articulation. But if they are, it's gotta be JUST the arms, right. kinda like some of those old dino toys where it was just the legs.
>>11543576Wait wait wait, the mondo stuff is rotocasted??? I can do that shit in my garage, in no way in hell should they be charging that much for a rotocast. That is amateur tier shit.
>>11543800isn't it?sorry, am I wrong about vinyls? It's been a long time since I looked into this shit. like back when Twisted Kaiju Theater was still funny, instead of the liberal rants of a self-loathing catholic.
>>11543464Who the fuck is Nobody?
>>11543449>all that cardboard
>>11543817tmnt's Batman homage. named for the bit in the Odyssey when he tells the cyclops his name is 'Nobody' so when he gets blinded, all he can say is "Nobody did it"
Swimsuit April figure when?
>>11543449>cardboard playsets man it’s like toys for kids are regressing now
>>11543966That's Playmates in a nutshell
>>11543449Makes me think of the old cardboard playsets they used to do in Japan.
>>11543452Kids back in the 80s and 90s didn’t, so modern kids will be about the same. They might even treat it better if they want to take videos of it for their tiktoks.
Does Hatter do customs now? That backdrop looks 10 times better than the ones it came with.
>>11544131somehow significantly better.
>>11544383That is a fucking awful backdrop.
>>11544445Nah, it actually pulls off the 3d effect more and looks a lot cooler and comic booky than the awful ones that come with it.
>>11544540No it doesn't. It doesn't match the style and looks amateur as fuck. Only a retard would think otherwise.
>>11543852Sometimes. In the 4kids cartoon it was a different reason, and in Mirage he just...had it.
>>11544585uh, 2k3 and mirage are the only versions. what are you talking about 'it' ? the meaning for his name?
>>11544383That doesn't look very good
>>11544383I think the faggot on the right that does that shit. He did inserts for the windows on the street dio, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did these too. Hatter is probably just shilling them for his boy toy.
>>11544595>uh, 2k3 and mirage are the only versionsTwo Mirage versions including April, 2k3, and the IDW version makes 4.
>>11544629April took the mantle of Nobody in Mirage? the fuck you say>IDWIrrelevant Dime-Waster. but thank you for the information.Point is I'm pretttty sure 2k3 gave the Odysseus explanation.
>>11544631Nah, it was him talking to a corrupt businessman and saying "thanks to the politicians in your pocket, I'm nobody". In that grizzled, swallowed-razor-wire voice of Sean Schemmel.
>>11544649then where the hell did I hear it? I never read Mirage beyond the first mini-series. I mean I've heard the story mentioned a few timesare you sure it wasn't -both- of those in 2k3?
>>11544651Not that I recall. In Mirage Donatello gives him the nickname because "he never gave us a real name". And when April becomes Nobody its because "its the only identity I deserve" after learning shes a drawing.
>>11544652well I might have imagined a scene, and you might have forgotten one.. I guess it's not that important, but I could swear that was explicitly the reason. It's a weird name, otherwise.
>>11544655Thats quite possible.And for pointless trivia, Nobody's cop identity appeared in IDW's Saturday Morning Adventures comic. Maybe he's Nobody in that too.
My seemingly normal older brother recently confided in me that this box art made him horny when he was a kid and it’s legitimately put a strain on our relationship.
>>11544383if this is just the paper couldn't you just print a picture you liked and glue it to cardboard?
>>11544670It's kind of set up to be thatLike not so much sexual, but yknow, getting a weird thrill from peril. Peril used to be this real sure way to get a strong emotional response from an audience, before it basically became synonymous with infantile fetishes. And it's not hard to see how.. fuckin INTO IT they were getting back then. I have to admit, when I was like 7, I got a weird feeling from playing mouse while someone else played eagle. I think it's one of those.. like, trauma protection things, where your brain wants to seek out simulated danger so it can get a thrill, then go back to feeling safe.
>>11544678good printers exist, but they're very expensive. You would likely have to blow at least 25 bucks having that printed, and then make sure you use glue that won't go all yellow later, and line it up just right.but yeah, otherwise you are dead right, and I'd like to see that kinda thing done more often. just give us patterns for print-out fold-up pizza box props and junk.
>>11544670To be fair, there's a lot of bondage going on in that image.
>>11544718And shirtless Shredder.
>>11544887I like how he's got his cape tucked into his belt. this toy artist really did his job properly. I wish that was still a job.
>can’t collect the Hello Kitty crossover happy meal toys because my girls loathe McDonald’s Who’d a thunk being a good parent would come back to fuck me in the ass like this?
>>11545054Eat it yourself, pussy
>>11543449they should make playsets like that for power rangers
>>11545081Rita's Palace with banister, telescope, Loki, and monster maker machine, bundle with FinsterJuice Bar with Ernie, tables, chairs, and karate training gimmicks
>>11545081>>11545117Isn't power rangers dead?
I hope we get a Cherubae toy one day.
when is keno going to start showing up in stores
>>11545268First version already came and went. The one with the scooter is online only, but it's in stock: https://www.walmart.com/ip/March-Collector-Con-Item-7/5258318044
>>11545117genius
>>11543597The exclusivity of limited availability allows them to further drive up the price.
>>11545144yeah she's cool>>11545313only for scalpers.
>>11545507Juntarra, the mother of Jagwar, is nice too. Hopefully get a toy.
>>11545137Playmates is launching a new line based on the first season of Mighty Morphin along with "enhanced" versions of the first 40 episodes.We'll see how that goes.
>>11545630Didn’t Bandai do that too back in 2010?
>>11545630not sure how much more enhancement they needed, but.. okay.. I mean, if anyone but playmates was doing it, that'd be kind of exciting.
>>11545667Yes. But this time they just made the picture look clearer, no stupid photoshop effects.As for the toys, I can only speak for the Zords, but for a kids line they're pretty good. Nice size and heft, a few cool changes...
>>11545726They're honestly total garbage. I don't know how anyone could defend them.
>>11545734Good for you, Anon.
>>11545747You have incredibly shit taste supporting that horrid Power Ranger line.
>>11545750I'm sorry you're so offended by how other people choose to spend their money.
>>11545750Of what is it to you if someone does something that makes them happy?
>>11545753I'm sorry you wasted your money and made the world a worse place by buying Playmates crap ass attempt at Power Rangers.
>>11545780i took a quick lookthese are pretty damn Playmatesthe main figures look relatively okay, albeit with weird hip jointsthe ones where the heads flip between the helmet and unhelmeted heads.. they're laughably out of proportion, and this is something that was done properly 32 years ago. and playmates also did it with the TMNT, better than this.the zords also have ridiculous proportions and some random wrong colors, and the megazord is mistranformed in the stock footage, so.. we're in greaaat hands.
>>11545777Nice proportions
>>11543449Is it worth getting a full 4 set of the Joytoy TMNT if you're not really interested in the 4 main turtles? They look really good, but my favorite is pretty much just Raph. But I fear I'll get hit with "fuck now I gotta hunt down the rest singularly" if I just get Raph.Also how is Slash? He was one of my favorites from the various comics.
>>11546491All turtles use the same body mold so there no point to buy all of them.So I only got Leo, Shredder, Slash and Triceraton for now. Humans looks unremarkable and all other mutants are too cartoonish for my tastes.Joytoy probably will make another set of turtles at one point in future. Hope in different colors and proportions this time.
does anyone have the horsemen design art for the super7s? I've got another bee in my bonnet to just draw my own, since we won't be getting any more. and then maybe a chinaman will see my designs and rip them off and make them real toys.
>>11547141gnarly.
Does anybody have the "A turtle's penis is as long as 40% of its body length" comic? I need it for educational purposes.
Evil robot April toy when?
>>11546491the turtles are probably among the least impressive joytoy figures, they're not bad but the other mutants are way betterthat said I think the line is really dangerous, I originally was only going to buy bebop and rocksteady but thought they were so good I ended up getting the turtles and I've gotten all the others since. slash is definitely one of the better ones.
>>11547695is there some law that robot duplicates always lose exactly one half of their face, often really cleanly?
>>11548150Blame the Terminator movies for that
>>11547880The humans suck too. Even Shredder is a messy, wonky figure.
The "Jim Lawson" Four Raphaels are probably my favorite Turtles figures. They feel surprisingly chonky despite being just under 6 inches. Since they're all the same mold I'm assuming you can headswap between the four?
>>11548221I don't think any of them suck really. Shredder is probably the worst one but thats just due to the cape being annoying to deal with, scale is really too small for fabric to look decent so it is what it is.
>>11547880>>11546529Grabbed Raph and Slash then. If I get diseased collector brain and suddenly need the other 3 turtles I guess I'll cross that bridge when needed.
>>11548340You could easily do a good cape that size, it just needs to be wired. I don't think Joytoy has any experience with soft goods though.
NECA's Garfello is going up for preorder on 9-9 on the NECA store. Probably not an exclusive, so it should be up on the other sites shortly after.
>>11549030Just as the Garfield plush foretold.
>>11549032No, it didn't, retard.
>>11549030er... while the mechanics of garfield even wearing a mask with eyeholes, where his eyes are larger than the mask, are already kind of baffling and best left to 'it's a cartoon,' i still must ask about this little gap.
>>11549076The eyes are swappable with the other heads.
>>11549080ahhh okay. that's worth a little gappiness. he always did have a lot of expressions.
>>11549082Yeah, it's a nice feature to have on a character like this. Odie is supposed to have a normal head too.
>>11549030The Boss Fight Studios one looks better and they beat them to the punch. Plus you’ll be able to swap stuff with their other Garfield figures.
>>11549096>The Boss Fight Studios one looks betterGood joke man!
>>11549098I wasn’t joking. And why is Neca not providing an option to have him without the ninja mask?
>>11549103Why would they? That isn't the point of the figure. You're a dumbass.
>>11543449I know its cardboard but I love smaller playsets that can fold up like this. The smaller shelf footprint is appreciated.
>>11549090neat>odie has no elbowsunderstandable, but>normal headdoes the tongue come out from the turtle head and fit into regular odie? because it'd be neat to just have the shell on its own
>>11549151Are you a literal child? Otherwise it’s kind of embarrassing you would be impressed by something so terrible.
>>11549162Not everything is about hyper detailed bullshit. Sometimes something simple is fun. Don't be such a grim faggot.
>>11549096>>11549098Guys, no need to fight. They are both ugly piece of shit cashgrabs. No matter which one you buy, you will both be able to live with the shame of owning Garfield merchandise.
I REALLY hope NECA starts to do Red Sky season figures soon. I might get into the 2K3 and 2K12 lines and to be fair I may want some Fred Wolf figures but I don't want them to look goofy with the other versions in order to avoid the "lol the old show's turtles sure were silly as opposed to ours amirite?" shit the crossovers did.
2012 Turtles are going up for order on the NECA store 9-16
>>11550153Wait are these exclusive to the NECA store? I’m not sure I trust ordering direct ever again.
>>11547212>educational
>>11550191I've been buying all my Ben Coopers and stuff from them and it's been fine. But no, they're going to be general releases, so expect them up on other sites too, you can wait it out no problem.
>>11550153Is it a 4 pack or 4 individual releases?
>>11550153They look fine for what they are, but man, the 2012 series is ass.
>>11549151Same. I think there's a space for cardboard stuff because it reminds me of movie sets, layered backgrounds for animations, matte paintings, carnival decorations and all of that.
>>11547141April's pussy is wet af.
>>11550214Single packs. So far the only multipack we know of is the multi-armed Foot Bot 2-pack
>>11550153might be the best looking versions of them yet, which is saying something since i believe figma or revoltech or somesuch jap place did them quite well
>>11550209i love this..>>11550215It is. but it's still better than everything that happened since. also... were the bay movies after that, or before? I forget. i think before. 2012 is better than that.
>>115503472012 was after the first Bay movie. We even get the shitty "We're aliens!" lol joke you see pop up from time to time that's as bad as making fun of Schumacher Batman or Snydercut/Reinstate the Snyderverse cultists And I agree - 2012 is flawed as fuck compared to the 2003 show or 80s cartoon. All the Transformers -tier name slapping, bad reimaginings, and endless padding really hurts it.
>>11550405>2012 is flawed as fuck compared to the 2003 show or 80s cartoonNo. 2012 is a great toon. And shitloads better than the God awful 2k3 show.
>>11550405I'm okay with name-slapping if you've decided you want to be a silly show, and reimagine old characters that you paid a LOT of money for the rights to.. that's not AUTOMATICALLY bad.but it does limit you considerably, and it would ALWAYS be better to make something -new- that is just REMINISCENT of the old ones (like how Krang is a reimagining of Utroms). and what they did with those two, combining them, is clever. and I don't see how a TMNT show can have 'padding.'No, my issues are basically just that it's all really stupid. the characters make no sense, they're aggressively silly, without having the clever charm of the 80s show, the only person who feels real and likeable is Splinter.and the ART. good lord. I'm all for giving the turtles 3 toes, that's a clever idea, but the broken pottery thing makes no fucking sense. and the mutants all look fucking retarded, like a really, really fucked up kid drew them.
>>11550153I actually preferred the off model 1st wave playmates made for the show.
>>11550439I think everyone doesand we assume that was concept art
>>11550209Thank you!
>>11550405>2012 was after the first Bay movieThe first Bay movie was 2014.>>115504222k3 is a flawed attempt to stay close to the Mirage comic while bringing in new concepts.2012 spends most of it's run assassinating Mikey and Donnie's characters, but has a few decent episodes. I enjoy some of 2012, but the only way anybody could think it is better than 2k3 is if they are little kids, they identify with simp Donnie and 60 IQ Mikey, or are the sort of people that point at the screen and shout "I know that thing" every time there is a movie reference.
>>11550549in fairness, 2003 Mikey was like 85 IQ. that was their one area where they failed at making it like Mirage. only the original movies actually captured Mike properly.>captcha: SMPNHere comes Sump'n Claus!
>>11550549No, that just sounds like you're a joyless cunt that didn't pay attention to the series.
>>11550565you dont have to pay much attention to 2012 to see how fucking dumb it was.Don Paulsen was the best part, along with Splinter. and I'm okay with THE KRAANG as a concept.
>>11550582You apparently didn't pay attention to anything if you think it's dumb. The show had some great writing and did a wondeful job mixing together all the TMNT lore.
>>11550600I'm told that the writing got better later, like uh... The Batman did.but I was wayy gone by then.
>>11550554At least 2003 Mikey was an idiot savant that turned out to be the ultimate warrior that wins the Battle Nexus. Which Splinter always knew he had the potential to be if he focused and applied himself, which was why he forfeited to him during the tournament. 2012 Mikey is fully tarded and endangers his brothers repeatedly.>>11550565Oh, I definitely paid attention, which was why I noticed the character assassination. If you didn't notice it, maybe it was because you weren't paying attention and just mindlessly consuming a children's show. "BRIGHT LIGHTS! FLASHY COLORS! Who cares about the quality of the writing. Cartoon gives me dopamine!"Sorry I hit a nerve. Are you a simp, a tard, or a nostalgiafag that claps and points at the screen because they made a Nightmare on Elm Street reference?>>11550602I think the writing got slightly better later in the series. I dropped it during the Northampton arc and picked it up again after the series was done because I caught a rerun and it wasn't completely shit, so I gave it a second chance.
>>11550643>the character assassinationYou are so full of shit. Thank you for letting everyone know you're a fucking moron that couldn't follow the show, though. No wonder you glaze 2k3 like that.
Why would anyone call 2k3 their favourite when the movie does everything 2k3 tried to do but competently
In an alternate universe, super7 did 2012 and NECA did 2003 and there’d be no 2012 defending.
>>11550684You must be retarded then, because 2012 was a good show. 2k3 was not. That's why nobody talks about or licenses 2k3. It just was not good.
>>11550654Did the movie have Triceratons? It was a way more faithful adaptation of the comic book overall.
>>11550643>At least 2003 Mikey was an idiot savant that turned out to be the ultimate warrior that wins the Battle Nexus. that pissed me off even more though. I was with Raph "oh he's NEVER gonna let this go">Which Splinter always knew he had the potential to be if he focused and applied himselfI.. don't see how he did apply himself though. he just lucked his way into it. It's fine, I still believe in 2k3 superiority, but I feel like Mike was the absolute weak link.Michelangelo's thing is not supposed to be "if he'd just focus, he'd be great"he's supposed to be "because he's great, he can't focus. his brain is too active, it absolutely hates focus and discipline, it always wants to move on to the next thing" which is an important kind of brilliance. a vital part. He should be the guy who sees things differently from the others, and notices the thing that rigid focus, book smarts, and brooklyn rage doesn't show the others.
>>11550694>I still believe in 2k3 superiorityYou are a fool, then
>>11550654nobody is saying the first movie isn't better than 2k3they're saying 2k3 is the best we could hope for in in the 2000s, on TV, at non-union qualitywhich is.. better than the 2nd and 3rd movies. ,... kind of. toward the end, that changes.
>>11550694Michelangelo has ADHD?
>>11550696>better than the 2nd and 3rd moviesNo. Barely better than 3, but no.
>>11550698basically. a properly-written Michelangelo is approximately Egoraptor. Yeah he can be a bit of a jackass sometimes, but he's genuinely brilliant. Creative. His brain wants some interesting new story. He always has the appropriate joke for the moment, and that improvisation follows into his fighting skills.Mikey would become the world's greatest athlete, if there was just some better mental stimulation involved in it. e.g. that Switch game with the fitness wheel.
>>11550700You think 2k3 is just BARELY better than the 3rd movie?
>>11550703Barely.
>>11550700it's funny, on my recent rewatch of the trilogy, I came to the conclusion that 3 is actually slightly better than 2.. which is funny because, as a kid, I thought 2 was way better than 1.
>>11550644>glazeSure, just ignore the fact that I said 2k3 had its flaws. You are the one acting like 2012 is a masterpiece. Also if you are going to talk like a retarded alphie Tiktoker, there is no reason for any of us to take your opinion seriously. Not that we should, since you are so hellbent on pretending that Donnie lusting after April long after she told him to back off wasn't a disservice to the character.
>>11550729yeah I (2k3 supremacy guy) also admit it had flaws. again, especially toward the end. But those first... four? seasons? were pretty solid.
>>11550694>Mike was the absolute weak link.He was the worst characterised of the brothers in 2k3, but he was still done better than every version of him since then. I do laugh at some of his jokes in 2012, but some of the other aspects of his character are really frustrating, especially his complete lack of situational awareness in combat and stupidity bordering on flanderization.>Michelangelo's thing is not supposed to be "if he'd just focus, he'd be great">he's supposed to be "because he's great, he can't focusI always interpreted him as being ADHD. And I might need to watch it again, but i always put his Battle Nexus victory down to partially being due to luck, but if I remember right, in his fight against the big purple dude, he focused once the purple guy threatened his family. I might be misremembering since it's been a while since I watched it.>>11550731I'd say even season 5 was good, but not as solid as the first 4 seasons. Stil better than FF and Back to the Sewer. And I don't even hate FF. It was just a massive downgrade from what came before it.In my opinion, there has never been a perfect version of TMNT. Even the Mirage comic has Volume 3. The 87 series has about 50% syndication filler in season 2-3 which gets progressively worse until the Red Sky seasons. And as much as I love the 1990 movie, Casey crushing Shredder in the garbage truck never sat right with me. Also the 90s ghetto music was pretty awful.
>>11550793season 5 was trying so hard to be anime without understanding how to be anime. it was the writing and action equivalent of teen titans' visual gags. but.. at least it was trying, and trying to be serious.>casey crushing shredderI mean, that's his arc. he starts out brutalizing criminals, but he learns a better way, and then executes an actual MURDERER who deserves it, instead of just thieves who don't. It's always moral to kill a murderer, that's what Splinter taught his boys to do.>90s ghetto musicyeahh but still, as ghetto music goes, that is by far the least offensive. downright catchy. and the rest of the soundtrack, all the fun synth stuff, that was incredible.
>>11550729Oh boo hoo, I'm glad that bothers you so much. 2012 was a masterpiece, especially compared to the rot that 2k3 caused.
>>11550914>2012 was a masterpiece, especially compared to the rot that 2k3 caused.Come on now, be serious anon. 2k3 is a mediocre children's cartoon with the edge sanded off if you didn't grow up with it, but let's not pretend 2012 didn't have some brain problems especially as the shown ran longer.
>>11551041Still a great show. And one that brought back fan interest in TMNT.
>>11551042Oh yeah I'm not saying 2012 is bad, but don't throw around words like masterpiece because it dilutes the meaning.
2012 is kiddy shit while 2003 had actual edge and felt closer to mirage.
>>115510832003 was as edgy as a spoon. That shit was so actively held back by it's role as a kids cartoon that it creates second hand embarrassment on behalf of the writers
>>11550805>I mean, that's his arc.Killing Shredder shouldn't be his arc. Splinter was training the boys their entire lives to do it, and he comes in and steals the kill at the last second. It felt undeserved, like if Lando came in and capped Vader in the skull during the Death Star lightsaber duel.>yeahh but still, as ghetto music goes, that is by far the least offensive. downright catchy.Honestly, I had Spin That Wheel and This is What We Do stuck in my head ever since making that post. All last night. All this morning. I regret even thinking about that damned soundtrack.>>11550914>2012 was a masterpieceHahahaha. No. A masterpiece wouldn't have left so many plot threads dangling and had more payoff for the things it set up. Is Timothy still in Donnie's freezer? Who cares! Is April's mother out there or not? Who cares! Should we do something with retromutagen, or just use it to status quo April's dad then forget about it? Yeah, fuggedabowdit. Should we have an impactful finale, or just make Fury Road references because making pop culture references is easier than writing meaningful stories? REFERENCES!>especially compared to the rot that 2k3 caused.Yeah, because the rot brought about from 2012 is soooooo much better. I am so grateful that the pedophilic corpos at Nick gave me Calarts animation and Seth Rogen garbage. What a fucking golden age. Teenage April with every power imaginable was so great that the only way they could improve her was by making her a fat, ugly bag of mystery meat. Praise the corpos.
>>11551083>>11551092Yeah that's one of the things that always turned me off about 2k3. It really wants to be darker and more mature but it's also very much a Saturday morning cartoon by 4kids (who tended to view all kids as if they were preschoolers) and the show kind of struggles to thread the needle.
Mike has ADHD, Don has autism, what do you zoomies diagnose the other two as?
>>11551197Raph has Intermittent Explosive Disorder, Leo has an authority complex.
>>11551197raph: APSD Leo: NPD
>>11551041wait did it actually run longer?i mean if you count fast forward, back to the sewer, and the 'lost season' of 2k3, I don't think it did
>>11551150>undeservedoh, fair. but I like how Shredder basically killed himself. Not as directly as in Mirage, but it was 100% his own fault, he ran headlong at a guy in full rage mode (after baiting the turtles that same way) and then pulled a knife on a guy who could easily drop him, who then didbasically Casey is there so that the impact isn't so gruesome, because I don't think they could have gotten away with Shredder becoming street pizza. He's just finishing the job that was already fully earned.>music stuck in headjust listen to the good parts of the music and that'll clear it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRTrPjScdVc
>>11551173I'd rather a try-and-fail than a didn't-try.they really peddled that thing to a bunch of places, WB almost had them doing a REALLY shitty looking show. I don't know how the restrictions would have been there, but I like the art we got a lot better.
>>11551197>>11551211>>11551216all of you make me unhappyyou need to Darmok the Jalad at my Tanagra instead, it's a lot better Jalad.>Raph is Wolverine>Leo is Cyclops>Don is Forge>Mike is Egoraptor ... or Iceman I guess if you insist. but Iceman never seemed that bright.
Honestly the real issue with 2K12 is how it's tone was all-over-the-place. It's obvious the writers didn't want something campy like early Fred Wolf or gritty like 2K3 or the Red Sky seasons, but just ended up with an incoherent tone where "serious" moments would be followed up by forced jokes, Mikey being retarded, or random pop-culture references.Also simp Don, whiny Raph, mary-sue girlboss April, and possibly the worse version of Casey Jones.
>>11551541Well not only are you wrong about the characters, you didn't watch the show at all if you honestly think that about the writing. You are a fucking idiot.
>>11551559Show kinda sucks man.
>>11551541>mary-sue girlboss April,Spoken like a true 4channer.
>>11551541I've harped on it before, but I knew the show was fucking toast when raph was scared of roacheshe has grown up around them his entire life. He should almost certainly have been eating them.
>>11551591it's true thoughApril used to be a spunky fun 80s-90s woman who is still a woman and needs to be rescued by strong menshe knew a little self-defense and wasn't a pushover, but much greater things came her waysadly starting in 2k3, april has become an absolute girlboss abomination in a way that gets harder to ignore with each new version. she basically humiliates Casey in the 4th movie (though she was hot, at least)
>>11551591He's right though.>We can't have her be anything close to a damsel in distress in the current year, even though she was always a strong character >Let's make her a psychic hybrid alien kunoichi that's immune to mutagen instead>Great idea. You will be getting some extra Victoria Justice feet pics with your executive bonus this year
>>11551660>>11551718>noooooo stop doing things to my booby fantasieeees it's nooot faaaair!!!!!
>>11551658Yeah and you're an idiot for that too. You can still be scared of something like roaches even if you're around them shit for brains. God damn.
>>11551759isn't that our line?our thing came first, then they did things to it.>>11551763I still say you can't. But if you're right, then I'm being a biiiig idiot.
>>11551658This is a pretty typical subversion of expectations found in a lot of entertainment.
>>11551824they didn't treat it like that, though. Everyone was just treating it the way a normal human having a fear of bugs would be treated. At no point do they go "dude. Bro. you live in the sewer. You are surrounded by them at all times. I watched 19 roaches crawl over you last night in bed. I've lived alongside you for 15 years, and you're STILL as scared of roaches today as when you were first mutated. what gives?"
>>11551759Nobody said anything about fantasies. You are definitely projecting, and combining that with your defense of teenage April means that you should be on a watchlist and made to stay 500 yards from schools at all times.
>>11551866Now this is projection
>>11551869No, I have no interest in teenage April or anything the pedos at Nickelodeon try to push. You are the one trying to defend this shit and thinking it has something to do with fantasies. Maybe you've been hanging out with certain NECA designers too much.
>>11551894You're the one that thinks "pedos" are everywhere. You are not of sound mind, in any way, shape, or form.
>>11551866anon that's really dumb trolling but teen april is a cool idea.though she should be like, 19 and in college. I think that'd be the most interesting dynamic for them to have. like she runs the antique shop part time, but is going to journalism school. Stockman could be her computer science teacher
>>11551898reminder that 100% of people who ree in this way turn out to have molested someone.
>>11551923Projecting again
>>11551927naw, just personal experience.btw I wasn't saying that of YOUi'm talking about the guy you're replying to. people who ree like that (you are not reeing)
>>11551923The anon you replied to also does damage control whenever evidence regarding the gay toy designer that grooms underaged boys is posted.
>>11551929that's nice. go away.
Pixel Dan has a nice look at the Playmates Remastered pack: https://youtu.be/jDfiKBnarDQ?si=zyOhl4GwlNKnsYVU
>>11551937Still not buying your book
>>11551943You're an illiterate hick, we know
>>11551937i like the turtles, splinter and shredder need a redo too though
>>11551937wait, is donatello's head twisted even HERE? that makes no sense, the heads are one piece now
>>11546761bumping this requestsurely someone has them saved
>>11551952Found these four at least, but I'm pretty sure there were some more detailed and turnaround-y ones
aaand I found exactly one more on a random blog.. I guess they were all like this. I remembered them being shaded and turnaround-y.it's kinda funny how symmetrical baxter stockman was, given how the line would go later, and how being partially mutated is such a theme in that design. Partially, yes, but symmetrically.
>>11551952I've got a bunch, will upload before bed because you guys are my lil buddies
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>>11551973Thank you, anon!!>>11551977interesting to see the original idea was for all the turtle comms to match.>>11551982this is a much better april than the one we got, but in turn it doesn't really look as much like the original toy. and funny she was gonna come with the grappling hook instead of mike.>>11551984gotta love the arm hair being drawn on even though there's no way that was being sculpted. like you'r edrawing in the thigh joints, so.... also these are better proportions than what we got>>11551985ooh he was gonna have a dimension X gun..>>11551987see this artist understood about the pink GRADIENT on the face.. and continued it onto the arms, interestingly, but not the chest. I dig it. Apparently did not know about the leg brace though. clearly these were not the beginning and end of the toys.>>11551991baxter's proportions are just weird.>>11551992apparently Mondo's original deco idea way back in playmates, was to have nearly all those little scale details painted in individually in blue.. it's not a huge surprise that didn't happen. >>11551993dig that chrome. I wonder if they hoped to make the whole thing metallic this time. and i like the idea of the head having an insert for the eyes instead of the entire head. this one has the most shading of any so far. seems like the artist didn't find it always necessary.>>11551997thanks so much, dude! This really has me inspired..on a scale of 'fuck off' to 'yeah okay whatever', how much would people enjoy me trying to draw designs for the toys we didn't get, and probably never will? Because I'm.. actually about this good at art.. especially for such neutral poses.
>>11552025>how much would people enjoy me trying to draw designs for the toys we didn't get, and probably never will? Because I'm.. actually about this good at art.. especially for such neutral posesYeah man go for it
>>11551950They're still two pieces.
>TFW due to NECA's hateboner for any form of TMNT media between Fred Wolf and 2K12, they'll go to those Michael Bay uggos before the 2007 movie.
>>11552133You just make things up in your head, huh?
>>11552133I could see this happening
>>11551944Illiterate hicks are more likely to buy toy picture books. Literate folk would by real literature.
>>11552506Not true. That just makes you a bigger dumbass.
>>11552129but why? they're based on the originals, those are one piece.
>>11552086awright kickass, ima do it.as if I needed another art project.. should probably start with Napoleon and then do the other frogs we never got.
I'd never seen these drawings before, thanks for posting. Man I wish we could have had a few more good waves of the Super 7s.
>>11552633No? People fixed the Donnie on the zit versions too. You gotta pull the pieces apart after heating it up. If it was all one solid mold it wouldn't be so askew.Mind you, I don't know why it's askew on Donnie and only Donnie and SOMEHOW on both sets a year apart. But yeah.
>>11552672that's what i'm saying though, the original toy was all one piece, it's bizarre they'd do these in separate pieces.
>>11552086>>11552635not sure if Napoleon should have a bonus weapon. The only thing I could think of is another surfboard, since his packaging mentions specifically that he, like Genghis, is a surfer. but I guess he can surf on his sewer gas shield
>>11551197Nothing. They’re normal.
>>11552672>Mind you, I don't know why it's askew on Donnie and only DonnieSomeone posted their Remasters here in a past thread, and both Donnie and a second Turt were both askew in his pic. I can't remember if it was Leo or Raph, but it's not isolated to Donnie.
>>11552756great skills anon
>>11553284Fuck off
>>11553298Why should they?Jungle April was a toy.
>>11553239thanks but I think I'll try redesigning the alt head before i line and color it.. his face is kinda hard to make sense of.
>>11553525why would he*
Ghost Bros are hitting physical Target and are online: https://www.target.com/p/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-last-ronin-7-34-scale-action-figure-ghost-brothers-3-pack/-/A-94885871
>>11553789>$70 for toon shit
>>11553789I like that box art for the ghost bros. Surprisingly restrained.
>>11553844It's lenticular, the ghosties appear to fill the empty space as you move.
>>11553284Unironically not enough neck
>>11553864i think the head is at the right position with respect to the raised shoulders, the issue is the torso is practically nonexistent.
>>11553803that's actually the label for NECAs Trash/Suicide.
>>11554050Trolls can't read
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>>11554226god, I forgot how fucking retarded this design was.reminded me a lot of this
>>11554222>>11554223>>11554226What a terrible design, but terrible designs were the signature of the 2012 series. The only redeeming factor for this Shredder was him being voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson.
>>11554239It's a damn good deaign. And 2012 had a ton of fucking great designs.
>>11554239that, and he was as legitimately threatening as one could expect for such a kiddy show.have to admit, 80s shredder, fun as he was, never felt remotely like an actual danger.
That is a stupid and impractical outfit, even by Shredder standards.
>>11554247No, it's just a Shredder outfit. Your ceaseless need to shit talk good things has made you an ignorant asshole.
>>11554246Yeah, he was a legitimate threat. 87 Shredder was a moustache twirling vaudeville villain.
>>11554247I'm not sure how impractical it is vs other versions. it's more that this artist uses a lot of insipid 21st century design choices>super long lower face with reduced upper face>narrow chest above wider portion of chest>shoulders/armpits as the only exposed skin, with a sleveless top that goes all the way up to the neck, and detached sleeves hanging midway down>ankles that get wider as you go to the bottom (okay only if you are Rockman)it's a who's who of shitty things in art that I don't like.
>>11554257Because you have shit taste
>>11554259well for some reason 21st century JRPGs fucking love the exposed armpit thing, and they are obviously making lots of money despite abandoning art styles I like decades ago, so maybe you're right, anon
>>never watched the abomination of The Next Mutation after growing up on the 1987 series.>>find out today the turtles fought a sexy vampire lady named Vam-Mi.I will now watch your show.
Unironically the best TMNT figure I have ever had. Now I want the rest of them. Fuck.
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>>11555095You haven't owned many TMNT figures if you think that.
>>11555103Nah, it's probably you just having shit taste. I was spoiled rotten as a child, and had literally hundreds of TMNT figures starting from the original Playmates run, including all of the original vehicles and players. Too bad my retard parents tossed all that shit ages ago across several moves and junk clearing, though. Of course, all of it was heavily played with and probably worthless at that point anyway. Broken, stuck in attics or basements, missing parts, etc. The fate of many figures I suppose.
>>11555129>and playersPlaysets. Phone posting screws me again.
>>11555129Oh, so you just suck in general.
>>11555154What’s your problem?
>>11555189His problem is that someone gave a toy praise and implied it was more fun than the ones he worships, so he needs to troll the anon that had the audacity to have an opinion different to his.Look further up in the he thread to see his melty because anons were critical of the 2012 series.
>>11555129>parents throwing your stuff awaygod, it's sickening how that shit is STILL happening.
>>11555211Take your meds you fucking psycho. No normal person makes up that much shit about random people.
>>11555231Stop seething because someone is enjoying their toys, psycho.
>>11555154Sorry you're a retard. Have you tried dislodging the cocks from your ass.>>11555224I mean, this was a long time ago anon. Long before collector-itus crippled the world at large. I've lost almost every G1 TF, Thundercats (except the lair, I never owned that, a friend did and I willxfo4ever be jealous of it), literally just about every TMNT figure, a bunch of GI Joe's, He-Man shit, Silverhawks, all of my SNES games (which included a bunch of games that go for big bux now like Earhtbound, FF6 FF4 etc), and more. So much more.
>>11555241I guess I meant that it's fucked enough it happened to our generation when it already happened to our parents' and they learned nothing
>>11555243And it'll continue to happen, unfortunately. Humanity only progresses because they are unwillingly dragged forward, but you just can't fix retardation.
>>11555241My brothers trashed all of my toys that i was convinced to give them. And any that I kept for myself got trashed or stolen when my brothers raided my room while I was at school and absolutely destroyed it. I locked my bedroom, but my mother "didn't believe in locks" and demanded that I leave the key on top of the door frame. Apparently she didn't believe in parenting at that point either, because the little cunts broke into my room and destroyed everything while she was napping/passed out drunk/fucking the mailman or whatever that whore did instead of watching her feral brats.
>>11555129They did a bad job with you
>>11555244iunno man i feel like the few times we progressed, it was from just being less retarded. that's ancient history, though
>>11555253makin me feel better about my sister..
>>11555254Yes, but it's OK because I developed superior taste. At least I didn't turn out to be a mongoloid like you.
>>11555290>superior taste.Lol, clearly not
>>11555095I tried to warn you anon...
Finally got my Tatsu, now my movie collection is complete. I can finally rest.
>>11556944nicethey really nailed the outfit.
>>11557002The outfit is nice, but the likeness leaves a lot to be desired
>>11557006No, the likeness is damn near perfect. Sincerely one of the best in the line.
>>11557022The eyes are definitely off and make the actor look less Asian.
I agree that Tatsu's likeness isn't quite right. They nailed Casey and April. But that Tatsu head is just 10% wrong somewhere. I feel the same about the recent neca peewee. Close but no cigar.
>>11557032I don't know what you mean. Looks just like him.
>>11557089I’d be fine with the peewee likeness if his skin wasn’t as rough as sandpaper… seriously, WTF happened?
>>11543458Got any more pictures of this mask?
>>11557032No they are not. You keep saying this and you're flat out wrong.>>11557089And you're wrong about several things.
>>11557089You're agreeing with an incorrect statment Obata approved the likeness himself shit for brains.
>>11557097Nothing happened. You're looking at a macro lens picture dingus.
>>11557032It's the hood of his eyes on the outside, they weren't quite able to sculpt that crescent moon shape to the outer socket. Which is understandable, it's a TINY detail on a little head that could very well just get lost in processing a sculpt into a mold.
>>11557135No, they got it. You can see it on the figure. Honestly it's kind of insane that you're still harping on this.
>>11557139Use your eyes, anon. The hood crease needs to be pulled out a teeny bit to reduce the roundness of the top of the eyelid. Like I said, it's an almost impossible detail to sculpt properly and the rest of him is super on point (even the little chin dimples with his scowl, so good) so it's not a big deal. But it does make him seem less asian.
>>11557153I think you might just be racist.
>>11557113Why are you so personally invested in this that you're lobbing insults? That's deranged behavior, anon. That's why you're alone.
>>11557135Yeah the eyes are definitely off, I think the head also needed to be a little less tall and a little more wide. His cheeks and jawline should be a little more pudgy too.
>>11557158>Wanting the unique features of different people to be accurately portrayed is racism nowJeez Randy, didn't realize Neca was in the business of whitewashing TMNT. Guess that's why they didn't bother trying to do a Paige Turco April, since those eyties don't count as white anymore.
>>11557162No, the eyes aren't off. You're putting too much stock into some autist making things up.
>>11557166>making stuff upHe provided pictures that clearly show his point though.
>>11557169They don't show anything though.
>>11557006it's not perfect. I wish I was good enough at realistic faces to draw exactly what's wrong.
>>11557090kek>>11557097that is... a very interesting texture. it looks 3d printed. but the likeness is still pretty poor. Reubens had a really distinctive nose, and they weren't even close.>>11557135huh, the eyelids on yours look a little different from mine. I think. I haven't put mine under a magnifier..They did nail the pointy top of his head though.. and the expression, and the cheek lines. It's really just those eyes and maybe the eyebrows (a little smudge of black paint would take care of the brows)
>>11557162i feel like they actually overdid his jawhmm let me see if I can photoedit this a lil
>>11557250No, they got Paul's face right. I don't think you are really familiar with him. Clearly.
>>11557252No, they didn't. You're trying to whine about moving flesh when you freeze it sculping onto plastic.
>>11557162totally agree with this, he looks like a brother of Tatsu. you can tell they tried to get details but the head itself is just enough out of Obata's proportions that it stands out too much
>>11557250Well this one is coming out much later than the original release so the mold may be a little warped in the subsequent runs.
>>11557252yknow what, never let me speak ill of neca's designers, because I wasn't able to make this much better. Mine still kinda looks like shit.. and I think I realize why they had so much trouble, he has ever so slight tareme eyes. and I'm just airbrushing it, a sculptor has to actually do it in 3d..
>>11557097looks horrible, i don't get how they did this when none of their other figures look this bad these days
>>11557266we are talking about pee-wee, right?warping is one thing, this looks like someone left a vibrator on while the plastic was being injected so it ended up rippled.>>11557274i'm sure not every part of the team works on every figure. this one they tossed to the idiot that they're hoping gets fired.
>>11557274Because it doesn't look bad, nor does it look horrible. I get you want to troll but goddamn. Come up with something better.
>>11557261No, it looks like Tatsu. Maybe watch the movie instead of talking out your ass.
>>11557277you need to stop taking everything so personally necanon, pee-wee's face paint is noticably blotchier than every other neca figure to come out in yearshopefully they can make 2-pack with a bike that fixes it down the road
>>11557275You're making things up again. It shows you're just trolling
>>11557283You need to eat shit and die. The paint isn't blotchy at all, and again, you keep zooming in like a retard autist. They don't have to do shit.
>>11557275>we are talking about pee-wee, right?Oh, no I was talking about Tatsu
>>11557288oh good point, the initial batch sold out immediately, so most of us got second-runbut I haven't seen any pics online that look differenti HAVE seen a ton of custom tatsu heads people made, to attach to one of the saki and yoshi bodies and make your own custom outfit, buuuut... while nearly all of them are better than neca, most of them are still almost as far off, just in different ways. and of course they're hella expensive, and i don't know if they'd even fit on the new tatsu
>>11557286You need to stop being so confrontational, I don't need to zoom in to see the chunky paint on my figure's face. Maybe you need glasses?
>>11557294I don't think that's paint. it looks too evenly grained. it has to be the plastic.i don't think neca even HAS the kind of paint that could lead to that kind of rippling, that would be extremely thick paint
>>11557293>while nearly all of them are better than necaLiterally none of them are
>>11557297well I don't feel like looking them up so I won't argue. not sure I can even find all the old ones, or be sure which ones aren't the same one.
>>11557296Maybe. I haven't really looked at other's pics to notice if the blotches are all in the same places. But that would explain it too.
>>11557298Here’s a custom one I saw on insta that looks more accurate
>>11557310Closer look at the head, definitely looks more Asian
>>11557273The real crime is what they did to his hair line. Poor dude.
>>11557310Oooh that does look good. Wonder if you can still buy that, and if it fits the new body (does neca use a kinda standard ball system for its realistic bucks?)though the lighting is kinda cheating. Obata's eyes are just MEANT to be seen in shadow. to the point that I was considering like adding a black wash over the eyes to see if that helps.
>>11557312this one almost has the opposite problems from beforeinstead the jaw being too wide, it's too defined, without the soft dimpling. instead of the expression being too angry, it's too calm. instead of the eyes being not chinky enough, these might actually be TOO chinky, and the nose isn't quite as good a match as Neca's. Plus it doesn't have the redness on the face, least of all the lips.But it's better, for sure.
>>11557310That doesn't look like him at all. You're just fucking with people now.
>>11557318>But it's better, for sure.Fuck off, it is not.
>>11557312they both have their flaws that keep them from being accurate enough. i'm glad we have a tatsu finally, maybe they will do another release and a new sculpt at some point that could fix some of the issues.
>>11557342There's no issues they have to fix. Nobody is going to do something that dumb.
>>11557344Just like they never needed to redo April? Who knows necanon, anything is possible.
>>11557345Or how they fixed the turtle van roof
>>11557345>>11557348Oh boy, two of the stupidest motherfucking posts possible. It's not happening because there's nothing to fix. Get fucked.
>>11557342it's weird how often I wish for a TOYFUSIONINATOR, just because I keep having two versions of something that are kinda equidistant from perfect. particularly in transformers. they'll do this character pretty well, but too big. then fine, but too small..
>>11557390It's called autism. And you have it badly.
>>11557401i've never known an autist to have any kind of taste or discernment. they wouldn't know what the perfect version of something was if it was dropped out of a box of matches.
>>11557312Heisenbagaru!
Garfello and Odie are up for order on the Neca store, and should go up elsewhere soon enough.
>>11558361You’re better off waiting for other places to get it, buying direct is a nightmare
>>11558364Is it really or are you just torturing poor necanon?
>>11558364Sounds like a personal problem.
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>>11558630These designs are terrible calart garbage.
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>>11558630that isn't the turtle Slash mutated from, is it? I remember Raph's pet turtle looking different, having dot eyes, being a more realistic turtle.>>11558634weren't their heads bigger?>>11558635did this leo always have daito instead of paired katana?>>11558636wait, I thought his nunchaku -transformed- into kusari-gama.. where's the other handle?
>>11558643No that's Chompy Picasso, Tokka's baby.No.Yes he did, you don't notice it very often in the show really.Uhh, I mean that's what it was like in the show.
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>>11558649>tokka had a babywhat>there's tons of empty space inside the egggod these people were stupid. less ugly design than most of theirs, though>that's what it was like in the showit was? Huh. I guess I only briefly noticed long enough to go "hey, they used my idea for Don having a naginata and Mike having kusari-gama!" and then went "but they transform, which is.. extra impossible.. okay whatever"
