Sorry, entire post should have been green text. This is from Toy News International. Hasbro now needs a few extra bucks on bucks they've reused several times over. I've already gotten super picky about what I add to my collection at this point.

>>11551600
And I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm...free...

>>11551603
>>11551604
>Prices NEVER went up before da tariffs!
>Hasbro is our FRIEND!

>>11551608
>Because it happened before we should all just be okay with it!
>Knowing the direct cause doesn't mean you should point it out because it makes me upset!

>>11551613
>>11551629
I'm sorry you're not very smart.Especially the part about being "okay with it", that's your own retarded interpretation. Sad.

>>11551613
>New Dr Doom figure comes out
>New MSRP
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY YOU KEEP MAKING THREADS!!!!
I'm just posting an article about new MSRP. Learn to COPE you seething non-American. Look at you, crying over AMERICAN IP's. Go buy some Doctor Who or Asterix toys instead.

>>11551600
At this price point, casuals will quit buying and collectors will be more selective with their purchases. Expect pegwarmers to pile up in stores like never before.

>>11551641
You guys say this with literally every price increase, yet we're all still here. Just give it a rest already.

Fuck I hope this doesn't mean TVC will go up again too. Especially when they're about to start a theme that's going to have lots of army builders in it.

>>11551646
They can't keep raising the price and expect sales to not decline. Eventually there will be a crash, and that is likely to happen next year. When it does, expect Hasbro, Mattel and Lego to sell their products online only. That's why there is Hasbro Pulse, Mattel Creations and the Lego store. They've all anticipated this crash and are prepared to make the move to online.

>>11551662
You guys have been saying this for years and yet we are all still here. I think you just like the drama.

hasbro's figures are not even worth $20, I will simply not buy them

>>11551673
You don't need to announce you're leaving like a jealous ex girlfriend. Just stop buying these things and move on. Such insecure little drama queens you all are.

>>11551652
Its amazing how you missed my first post apologizing for missing some green text and saying I'm already picky about what I'm buying just to put words in my mouth about needing to buy everything. I get it, you're retarded, but can you at least attempt to learn how to read? Just pitiful, you sad little troll.

>>11551662
>They can't keep raising the price and expect sales to not decline.
Why do you think there have been so many "Fan Channel Exclusive" waves lately? You don't think WalMart is trying to give them money and Hasbro is saying NO!, do you? Retail is being extremely picky about what they take these days, to the point they'd rather have empty pegs than pegwarming non-sellers.

>>11551678
this is a message board, we come here to discuss things
you don't need to come into a thread to unload on people discussing the topic like a whiny bitch either

>>11551670
>You guys have been saying this for years and yet we are all still here.
>NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!
>SALES AND STOCK REMAINS UNCHANGED!!!!!
Ok kid. Did Ollies even carry this stuff 10 years ago?

>>11551686
>No U
Shut up Margret. You're acting like a woman again.

>>11551681
>schizophrenic ranting intensifies
It's a nice day outside, try to get some sun for a change.

>>11551691
>Did toys even hit discount stores a decade ago?
Uhm yes? Toys have been hitting Ross and TJ Maxx and Ollie's for as long as I've been alive. How new are you?

>>11551695
I can buy toys just fine. I'm not a brokie like the majority of this board apparently. You, on the other hand seemingly have been priced out and are now having a melty.

>>11551692
>let me make another passive aggressive post in another another thread, that will surely show them this time
keep fighting the good fight

>>11551705
No I didn't. Stop schizoing out.

>>11551695
Ok troll. I received a few deliveries and placed a few new orders today alone. Keep trying!
>>11551697
>Did toys even hit discount stores a decade ago?
>Uhm yes?
You even changed my wording, you little troll. While those outlets were always getting TOYS, it was rare a decade ago for them to be getting MARVEL LEGENDS. How disingenuous are you? Very. Because you're a fucking troll.

>>11551727
>it was rare a decade ago for them to be getting MARVEL LEGENDS.
>a DECADE ago
>they still have Eternals marvel legends
>deeerrrrrrppp!
2021 was HOW many years ago, you fucking brainlet????

>>11551733
Do you even have a point? Fuck off, stupid.

>>11551600
Brian Flynn from Super7 said he had to surprise pay $500,000 on a shipment of toys that he didn't have the money for and that Super7's entire supply chain for toy manufacturing is based around making the toys in China, so even if the toys would be slightly cheaper to make in Vietnam technically, it would be impractical to move production, which is an issue other toy companies are facing. So, everyone is raising prices and laying off staff rather than move out of China.

Super7 laid off a bunch of their employees and even hired a CEO to try and get costs down and product on store shelves instead of made to order. Their D&D and G.I. Joe Ultimates lines are both probably dead in favor of focusing on Reaction and Reaction+
https://www.toyark.com/2025/05/21/super7-announces-layoffs-563194

https://www.actionfigureinsider.com/super7-appoints-toy-industry-veteran-geoff-walker-as-ceo-to-lead-next-phase-of-growth/

Although contrary to Flynn's claims about financial problems being solely the result of tarrifs is nonsense. He did one interview where he said online retailers bought heavy into Ultimates when the first wave of TMNT came out, because Wave 1 of TMNT kept selling out and needing extra production runs, and that after this places like BBTS started ordering less and less, with Flynn citing that G.I. Joe Classified killed G.I. Joe Ultimates because they're similarly scaled figures and most people will collect one or the other, so retailers were stuck with lots of unsold figures. He also said the same happened with D&D, since Hasbro just made the cartoon characters fairly recently. Then there was the fact that people didn't want to pre-order a figure and then wait a year for it to show up, and many times people would pre-order and cancel, so BBTS started charging people a deposit on some Ultimates figures, which Flynn said is why some Ultimates turned up at Walmart. It's fair to say that they were shifting gears and then got fucked by tarrifs however.

>>11551727
Sorry I wasn't specific enough for you, but yes. Ross and TJ Maxx have carried MLs for as long as I can remember. I don't know about Ollie's as I don't have those in my state, but they were at other discount stores too back then.

>>11551738
Sorry meant for >>11551721

>>11551736
On the flip side to this, former Mattel brand manager, Scott Neitlich is saying on his YouTube channel that tarrifs were always an issue and that product was always getting more pricey to make in China, but that companies simply don't want to leave and are using tarrifs as an excuse to jack up prices to what they felt consumers should be paying in order to boost profits, since they're in a business and have a legal obligation to their stockholders to screw collectors.

>>11551738
>Sorry I wasn't specific enough for you, but yes. Ross and TJ Maxx have carried MLs for as long as I can remember.
>The Eternals
That was 4 years ago. "As long as you can remember" is only four years ago. You ass-pulled a 2021 film to try to argue with me stating things weren't like this a DECADE ago. You're legitimately a fucking low IQ midwit.

>>11551742
Yeah, I know, you deleted your original post in shame.

>>11551745
I purchased MLs at Ross in the early 2010s. Where did you even get four years from?

>>11551721
You guys are arguing over the wrong shit.

Marvel Legends starting to show up at outlet stores isn't because of prices, but because Disney fucked up the Marvel franchise after getting rid of Quesada/Bendis/Perlmutter group that was in charge of what the movies would be like.
This why nearly every movie that was actually developed without their involvement (like Eternals) was poorly receieved, thus sales for Marvel toys started to decline.

Stores kept expecting sales to remain strong, and probably better because DEI is the future unlike the icky stuff comic book writers were creating for the movies, so they kept ordering millions of units for movie toylines. Since the Marvel movies lost a large chunk of their audience and few boys actually likes female centric superhero movies, the toys failed to sell in stores and they needed to get rid of the massive amount of overstock. Thus, Marvel Legends becoming pegwarmers in discount stores.

Before 2019? Marvel Legends were rarely found at discount stores, because the movies catered boys, because the comic book writers who were in charge of the movies knew what boys want, thus toys sales were great.

Then why is non-movie shit found in discount stores too? Mostly because movie shit clogs pegs for years now, thus there's no room for new waves of the non-movie toys, so sometimes these waves are sent straight to discount stores. Retailers make their orders 6-8 months ahead of time and there's no way for them to actually know how well a movie line will sell, so shit like this happens.

>>11551746
That's not even me. You're replying to multiple people schizo.

>>11551736
>Brian Flynn from Super7 said
Flynn has said a LOT of lies.
>he had to surprise pay $500,000 on a shipment of toys
I think you need to provide a source for that. I remember him mentioning a surprise fee, but IIRC it sure wasn't half a million dollars.
>Super7 laid off a bunch of their employees and even hired a CEO to try and get costs down and product on store shelves instead of made to order.
Flynn stated the previous 6 months to that were their BEST EVER yet former employees chimed in that they had been fired during that golden period, once again proving Flynn a total liar. And as for "hiring a CEO", that's because Flynn was OUSTED as CEO by the investors due to his mismanagement. Sure, its his company, but when he took those millions of dollars in investments, they came with strings attached.
>Flynn citing that G.I. Joe Classified killed G.I. Joe Ultimates because they're similarly scaled figures
Flynn famously blamed the factory and told customers to essentially fuck off when they delivered unpainted heads for wave 2, killing the majority of their momentum in sales. They gained and maintained a reputation of putting out faulty goods and not standing behind them

Look at their FunFun Funko Pop ripoff line. They started at $25, then DROPPED to $20 because people weren't buying them. Not discounted, but literally dropped the MSRP going forward. Their 5-ich FunFuns are now the same price as their 3.75inch ReActions. Proof they were trying to price gouge. They had a whole $5 they could and did shave off the MSRP.

>>11551744
>Scott Neitlich
That lying snake? Anyone who read the text messages between him and that toy photographer that sued and had Scott's youtube channel locked shows what an absolutely untrustworthy lying snake Scott Neitlich is. I won't watch a single one of that jerk's videos. I don't care what he does or says. He's filth.

>>11551629
>>11551604
Reminder hasbro raised their prices like 4 times during bidens reign. if at any time a company can raise prices and get limp wrist faggots like you to still buy it, they will. tariffs or not.

Do you honestly think the price will go down if tariffs ended tomorrow? Are you all retarded?

>>11551754
>Where did you even get four years from?
LEARN TO FUCKING READ, STUPID! IT'S LITERALLY IN THE FUCKING POST YOU FUCKING QUOTED!!!!!
>I purchased MLs at Ross in the early 2010s.
Yes, so did I, which is why my original post said RARELY. How are you so unbearably illiterate???? IT WAS RARE THAT THEY WERE AT ROSS, AND NOW ITS COMMON! HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU, TRULY????? How is this SO fucking hard for you to fucking grasp????? Jesus Christ!

>>11551756
>You guys are arguing over the wrong shit.
>Before 2019? Marvel Legends were rarely found at discount stores
NO FUCKING SHIT YOU FUCKING STUPID RETARD! I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL ALONG! LEARN TO FUCKING READ BEFORE YOU ACCUSE ME OF ARGUING THE WRONG SHIT, I LITERALLY SAID THEY WERE RARE A DECADE AGO, AND A DECADE AGO WAS LONG BEFORE 2019!!!

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS BOARD IS ABSOLUTELY FULL OF ILLITERATE FUCKING RETARDS!!

>>11551757
>n.n.no, that wasn't me, y.y.you SCHIZO!
Sure pal.

>>11551769
Thank You! The majority of posters in this thread are fucking retarded and or trolls.

>>11551777
>ignore the point of the post
wow, you sure love arguing over the wrong shit.

BTW, that was my first post in the thread and i did read the thread, hence adding my two cents, because you guys have such screwed up perspectives, if not outright wrong about shit (because you seem highly sensitive, i need to make note that you're not outright wrong about shit).

>>11551762
>I think you need to provide a source for that. I remember him mentioning a surprise fee, but IIRC it sure wasn't half a million dollars.
Here you go, my deranged friend, he said it to this youtuber who posts on the Hisstank message board:
https://youtu.be/LbxCmq6uDPU?si=sUAeP6u7cJAic2Nw

>>11551792
>an hour and a half long video of uhms and uhs
i fucking hate how illiterate every motherfucker has become

Are we ever going to be able to go back to written word websites?

>>11551641
Domestic adult figures will move to an online only made to order model

>>11551792
Okay, so I just watched the whole fucking thing at 2x speed with closed captions on, and for a 1hr25min video the fucker finally covers this around the last five minutes of that long ass video. So, yeah, he claims he did get hit with a 498,000 tariff bill on the 2003 TMNT Ultimates.

Thank you for providing a source.

It was fun watching him pretend to be excited to have a new CEO. Uhhhhhh I've done this for 24 years but suddenly I need a sherpa to get us up the mountain because we've just become TOO big.....years after we had and lost the Disney license! Nope, dude was ousted, and we saw how hard he deflected when that reddit post saying he didn't have full control on business decisions, but then acted like the statement was that he had been fired. Kinda like the bullshit here where people change what's being said and argue against a new argument that the OP never made? Flim Flam Flynn

>>11551656
They will. Star Wars is a doomed license.

>>11551782
Just you

>>11551769
Are you in Jif Epstein files or something?
Prehasp as diddler or the as the touched?
What prevents your from school?
Think about it.
You notice every one beware of you.
And it’s not the oder.
No one finds you friend.

People didn't want to pay for these figures and just waited for clearance when they were $20.
People didn't want to pay for these figures and just waited for clearance when they were $25.
What the fuck makes them think people are going to start paying nearly $30 for them?

Most of these toy companies, instead of raising the prices on this shit, should go through their toy catalogues and start cutting the glut out. 10, 8, or even 5 years ago they could get away with all the cheap, shitty trinkets they put out, but it just isn't feasible to keep that shit going any longer.

Go to Amazon, or BBTS, or any toy site, or just walk down the toy aisle, and see how much bloat there is for properties like Star Wars, or Marvel, or TMNT. Turn the filters off, and there are hundreds of pages of thousands of worthless vinyl figures, and bobble heads, and blind boxes, and plushie keychains, and other worthless trash. Cut all that low effort bullshit that was destined for the clearance rack and then the landfill out, and divert all the time, effort, money, and resources you're saving into actual figures people want.

We can also probably back off on random-ass Z-listers for a few years, and maybe scale back on the 100 different Spider-Men and Iron Men for a few years too.

Just fucking scale shit back. The era of normie casual faux nerds is over. Get that shit out of here, and focus back on making better quality figures and/or at least shit people are willing to buy.

>>11552000
AMEN ! ! !
Gamestop should be called Toyslop

Target and Walmart needs to get rid of that shitty NECA/Funko wall in the back of electronics.

>>11551608
Exactly right. Hasbro's been steadily raising prices for a decade now (and so has Mattel). That's what happens when adult collectors take over as the main buyers. They have absolutely no motivation to focus on affordability so mom and pop can afford to buy more toys for their kids.

>>11552038
Nah, you're a fucking retard

>>11552000
>>11552038
There's a lot of collectors who'll shit the bed unless a figure comes with a bunch of extra heads and hands, and as much articulation as possible (even if it makes a figure look too visually chopped up). And the bottom line = more accessories and articulation = more parts = more molds needed and more stages of factory assembly. That means higher cost. That's the reason why Transformers are so expensive now. So scaling back is hard to do.

>focus back on making better quality figures
Look at how many blame themselves for not hair-drying/boiling their toys before trying to move an arm only for it to break. Higher prices don't afford better quality these days, and it's the customers who make excuses for it.

But I agree with lower prices and better quality being needed.

>>11552178
Because you are literally to blame if that happens. You want figures with sharper details and more paint? Then deal with it.

>>11552180
I don't remember the McFarlane figures in the late 90s/early 2000s with sharper detail and more paint having the problems we have today.

>>11552181
Oh my God, are you for real? McFarlane figures were known for it! You are lying to yourself or you're a damn kid.

>>11552185
I remember some brittle accessories, but that's it. I have a box full of old Spawn stuff from 25 years ago, and not a single figure is broken. Let me guess: You're that NECA guy who does nothing but attack people for questioning your quality?

>>11552189
You're a liar then, cause not only did McFarlane shit break all the time, it was a running joke on the spawn.com forums. And now you have to worry about the plastic disintegrating on some figures, like Poacher. Same issue with old Resaurus figures. You really are a dumb kid.

>>11552195
So you've pretty much confirmed being that NECA guy. But sorry nope not a liar. I do have quite a few broken accessories, though. That's easy to admit. I broke my Mcfarlane Solid Snake silencer just trying to slide it onto the gun all those years ago when I first bought it. And what toys are made out of decomposes. It's getting harder to find a 1979 Luke X-wing without those weird lines on the helmet showing the plastic beginning to break down. It became normal to replace rotted O-rings on GI Joe as well as the rubber leg pieces on He-Man figures well over two decades ago. It's now even become common to replace rotted tires on Transformers and GoBots. I have a couple of vintage GI Joe figures also starting to form those weird lines on their faces (Baroness and Zartan) as their plastic is beginning to decompose. And I don't know if anyone else shares my experience, but the GI Joe vehicles seem to be getting more brittle with age, and 1980s MUSCLE figures which used to be somewhat flexible have become hard as a rock.

>>11552202
You've pretty much confirmed you're a liar, deflecting everything I said just to play your dumb games. You're an underage goon.

>>11552205
Dude fuck off NECA stooge. I know what I have, and I know what I'm seeing with toys old enough tob egin decomposing. You don't drop-test your toys for durability at all. That's so very obvious. Hasbro and Mattel do.

>>11552209
Look at you, getting so fucking defensive all of a sudden! Right into some very dumb trolling, all because you very obviously have to lie about a bunch of toys you weren't around for. Not smart.

>>11552213
You attack right out of the gate. It's literally all you do here. You force everyone you reply to into a defensive position.

>>11552216
I didn't attack anyone. You made a remark about things you have no understanding of and I properly corrected you. And then you got mad, like you are now, and made even more incorrect statements.

>>11552219
You attacked. That's all you do here is attack anyone who says anything about NECA or easy-to-break toys. Well congrats at having the majority of your NECA buyers trained into blaming themselves for your easy-to-break stuff.

>>11552237
Okay, you're still butthurt and raw apparently. Sorry you can't control yourself when you're wrong.

>>11551600
That's okay, I only ever buy Hasbro slop at ROSS and Ollie nowadays. I haven't bought any GI Joe, Legends or SW at retail price in the past few months. TF GI shit is the only thing I've put preorders on because they tend to sell out and I never find them in stores or con exclusives. Anything mainline goes on sale pretty often.

>>11552189
>>11552202
You're a dumb zoomer who doesn't know shit about old toys.
If you look at 90s magazines like Wizard and Toy Fair, you'll find people complaining about their McFarlane toys breaking even back then, while praising Toy Biz figures for actually holding up to kids playing with them.

And I'm not saying that toys aren't cheaper today, but man, there were mountains of issues back in the day too. Back in the 1980s GI Joes had problems with their crotches breaking, not just the rubberbands. The thumbs would also break off too. Transformers had shit breaking apart all the time too.
The biggest difference before was that 80s figures holding up better is mostly because toys were bigger and had fewer moving pieces. And stuck joints are inherent problem with paint app and the only way to avoid that is by cheaping out on paint, so of course 80s todays back in the day didn't have that problem.

Personally, i think toys had the best plastics in the 90s and 00s. Toy companies figured out that hard plstics are kinda shit, so they started using pliable stuff in the 90s and 00s, so stuff breaking became less of an issue. I think they went overboard starting in the 10s though.

Janitor here is a pro-Trump shithead, so...

>3 day all board off topic bans for anti-MAGA
>Sucking the fat pedo's cock is on topic somehow

>>11552205
Neca will never hire you. You will ever make a woman cum, either. Now go cry about CobraCommander custom or Shredder cloth shirt or whatever it is that has your diaper in a bunch, Jin Saotome.

>>11552865
Nice off topic troll post

>>11552864
>>11552865
You lost, catkilling pedo.

>Jin and diosoth still feuding on a toy board, a full decade later, now both 50 year old men.
Jesus Christ you guys really know how to make the rest of us feel better about ourselves.

>>11553552
I'm not Jin, I'm just sick of the cat-murdering TDS-suffering pedophile shitting up the board.

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How does Neca justify $38 for this?

>>11553814
Adult collectors willing to pay stupid prices are what's responsible for every price increase over the past decade.

>>11553814
>look mom I posted it twice!
Well dipshit, they justify it because that's how much it costs to make a figure and still make some kind of profit. You dumb retard. Do you cry about Mythic Legions prices too?

Donald "Tax Man Tariff" Trump
Thanks Trump!!!

>>11554508
I don't blame him. Countries have been adding as much as 100% tariffs on US-made goods to keep US-made stuff too expensive for locals to buy in their countries for decades. Something had to be done to make things fair.

>>11554508
>Toy-makers have been raising prices under any/every excuse imaginable for well over a decade now
>TRUMP DID IT!
Please. Prices went up even when Trump suspended the tariffs with various nations to try to work things out.

>>11554518
It's amazing how blind you choose to be

>>11554527
And you counter with..........? It's true that prices have steadily risen over the past decade, but hey in year ten of that past decade you feel emboldened to blame Trump, so go ahead. It wouldn't have stopped the price increases even if the tariffs never happened.

>>11551641
I haven't seen any MLs in stores other than exclusives in forever

>>11551736
I don't get why anyone buys reaction figures. Plastic addiction I guess.

>>11551792
S7 toys sure are Needless Things

>>11551832
The odd thing is, S7 said they found failure through made to order because people did not want to wait that long to receive their plastic. So if manufacturers think made to order is a panacea, they may want to look at those who have widely tried it before.

>>11551854
The weird thing is, Hasbro still renewed Star Wars recently despite obvious failed waves

>>11554513
Don't bother, you're arguing with a retarded child. They would sell their personal liberties for cheap plastic trinkets.

>>11554548
>I don't get why anyone buys things I don't like
>>11554551
>ALL toys sure are Needless Things
>Hasbro still renewed Star Wars recently despite obvious failed waves
You lack the intelligence to grasp why.

>>11552000
Problem is, what if the hyper articulated action figures have lower profit margin than the bloat? What gets cut?

>>11552168
Anon, Mattel was at $22 MSRP for masterverse 7in until just a wave or 2 ago when it went to $24. They are the cheapest now. McFarlane is at 27 for DCMV and 30 or higher for many other IPs, and Hasbro are at 28 as we see here. Mattel by far is the least crazy with raising prices on the basic figures.

>>11551600
The toy retail crash has begun. My Walmart ordered 16 Masterverse Fakers. Only one has sold. And the Classified section is piling up with Darklon and Frag Vipers that nobody wants. It will get much worse when the price increases to $28.

>>11554551
I suspect the failure was because it was super7. Dragon man is a proven success. If they can get the production window down to 6-8 months I think most people would be fine. The biggest obstacle is prototyping before starting the run then it’s just a matter of the factory’s schedule.

>>11554577
The best Joes have either already been done, or people are still waiting for them. No line can go on forever before it's depleted, and toymakers have been riding the 80s retro-wave toy brands for around two decades now. For Joes, Darklon and Frag Viper both fall into the age when Gen-X stopped buying Joes and Millenials took over. It's probably not the best idea to do figures from that era overall as like with the Power Rangers flop, Millenials don't seem to be sentimental-buyers like Gen-X are. There are exceptions like the Alley Viper, though.

Honestly Hasbro needs to double down on delivering more like Cold Slither, Rattler Pilot Baroness, "Predator Billy" Quick-Kick, and other toys that are new versions of the classics that pull from nostalgia-bait sources like the cartoon.

>>11554513
They are not flat rates

>>11554587
Dragon man isn't a standard wave figure, he's a huge figure that people still look at more in the vein of like a Haslab. Making standard waves made to order is what S7 was doing.

>>11554588
>Honestly Hasbro needs to double down on delivering more like Cold Slither, Rattler Pilot Baroness, "Predator Billy" Quick-Kick, and other toys that are new versions of the classics that pull from nostalgia-bait sources like the cartoon.
Agreed. They could also do crossovers like Mattel is doing with Motu. Gi Joe x Motu would be amazing!

>>11554606
GI Joe X Metal Gear Solid would be a better fit.

>>11554577
He-Man is like Darth Vader: how many times can you buy a new version of the exact same character over and over again before you ask yourself "Why?" Unlike GI Joe which has a library of cartoons and comic books with the same characters in various outfits to produce, He-Man doesn't have that due to them making sure all media was consistent with the toys being sold.

>>11554602
Once again it was super7

>>11554608
Shut up and take my money

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>Hasbro replaced Duke, Flint, and Beach Head with a guy who's gimmick is footballs, and General Hawk would fly in every now and then to tell everyone "good job." Also DIC had to force in Lady Jaye and Baroness because at that point Hasbro went full "gay" and refused to produce any more female characters.

Why did Hasbro do this in 1990?

>>11554701
>not thinking football grenades and rocketlauncher pistols are rad
why can't 80s joefags appreciate how off the wall this shit got?

>>11554701
>Why did Hasbro do this in 1990?
We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond
The thunderdome

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>>11554705
The ony thing dumber than the Joes from this era were the vehicles. The only good one was the Phantom X-19, and Hasbro managed to fuck that up with goofy colors instead of all black with gunmetal trim.

>>11554745
>Canada
No wonder it looks stupid

>>11551721
youre a newfag and a loser. i was buying marvel legends at tj maxx in 2010.

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>>11554768
It was supposed to be a take on the F-19 stealth fighter allegedly in development by the US government (but wasn't). It was actually the F-117 in development, which looked completely different. It's no different than the Conquest X-30 being based loosely on the Grummon X-29

>>11554613
>He-Man is like Darth Vader: how many times can you buy a new version of the exact same character
How dumb must Walmart and Mattel be to place 16 blue He-Men in a small town store? There's probably less than 5 people in this town that collect Masterverse. They just gone full retard!

>>11554849
They're sold by the case and Mattel requires minimum order quantities, so they wouldn't be allowed to buy just 5 figures.

>>11554863
They had 8 at first, then 8 more when they put out the Collector Island about a month ago. Since then, one of them has sold, maybe two.

Another thing I've noticed with the Collector Island is that when they sell a few figures of a line, they'll quickly restock them, causing peg-warmers to build up. We have several Lion-O figures now, but no other Thundercats. They seem to restock everything except the Gi Joe exclusives that everyone wants, of course.

I wonder what they're planning to do with all these unsold figures. Clearance them out? Send them back to Hasbro and Mattel?

>>11554916
This wouldn't happen if Mattel did better assortments with their cases, but the industry norm these days is 1 or 2 figures at a time now.

>almost half the price of a new video game
Whew, that's gonna be a hard sell.

>>11554961
This is why video games have won over toys. Far longer enjoyment time

>>11554996
Toys require imagination while video games are directly engaging and don't require any imagination at all

>>11554961
>he doesn't know video games are $80 now and will soon be $100 after gta 6 tests the waters

>>11551646
Anecdotal but I find two things true with every price hike:
1 - store shelves are barer for longer
2 - the price that I can reliably sell toys for falls

Seriously, I had people trying to get $10 off $20 toys that I should've been charging $25 for prior to this news. Kind of a nightmare scenario where I can't buy _or_ sell.

>>11552000
Agree. I think, not diverting budget a hundred different ways, they could get volume on what they _do_ make up enough to cancel out budget concerns. Like if SS86 Optimus was the only Optimus made for a year or two, they could move enough to get them down from $90 to $70. But they seen hell-bent on cluttering shelves with dozens of half-baked Cyberverse Primes that collect dust until they rot away.

>>11555015
Good, fuck you scalper

>>11555037
I have a wholesale account, you dickless nigger. But go on, keep shitting on fans trying to make up the difference between TRU dying and WalFart not giving a shit. How's that been working out for you so far? Assuming you actually buy toys of course.

>>11555044
Racist scalper! Fucking hope you rot.

>>11555003
Many games will simply fail at $100. Only very specific titles can charge that.

>>11555047
>Racist
Wow, I bet you really hurt his feeling with THAT one!

>>11551769
The tariffs are giving them reason to raise the price more. You don't have to defend everything the guy does that's stupid, you know that right? You're allowed to disagree. Unless that gets you shunned from your peers. They wouldn't do that in the good ol' free USA would they?

>>11553521
I mean, who's keeping a list of pedos secret when he first said he'd release it? Clear as day he's on the list lol.

>>11555133
Fuck you racist

>>11555204
Here's the thing though, that word has no power any more because Jerry Springer rejects like you overused it and kept accusing people like me, when I know my own heart.

TL;DR get fucked.

>>11554588
>For Joes, Darklon and Frag Viper both fall into the age when Gen-X stopped buying Joes and Millenials took over. It's probably not the best idea to do figures from that era
Ooof, everything you said is dumb.

Range Vipers came out a year later and they're super popular with fans. Same with Night Viper, Night Creeper, Metal Head, SAW Viper, and many other popular figures.
Those that got updated figures in the 00s GI Joe Vs and 25th lines were also HUGE at release, and most of them remained high priced in the secondary market for decades.

So there's three reasons why those figures aren't selling:
1. they're not popular. Maybe this is why Hasbro never bothered making an updated figure of them until now?
2. Classified is dying/market for it is tiny, so the few fans that are left don't want to support anything after 1988.
3. Economy is crashing

>>11555168
If Trump was on the list you can guarantee it'd have leaked under Biden. It's more likely, I think, that Israel are making behind-the-scenes threats to keep it hidden because they don't want the full extent of the Mossad's control of the government exposed.
I'm not some kind of MAGA cultist (not even American myself) and Trump's done plenty of retarded stuff (including his handling of the files) but I don't think he's on the list.
>>11554588
Eh, I think the reason Power Rangers flopped was Hasbro's awful handling of the franchise and the pretty dire quality of the figures. QC issues galore and some weird design choices. They also completely screwed up the Megazords.

>>11555375
Exactly, especially during the election when Democrats were using every dirty trick they can to keep him out of the race.

>>11555247
They're "super popular" with SOME fans. There are other fans who prefer Zartan with spandex yellow pants

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>>11555162
People are showing their political alleigances with their complaints about the prices. All prices did for the past four years is skyrocket. There's absolutely no way to deny it other than to engage in political bitching. The ONLY way toy prices will come down is if toy makers offer better assortments of figures per case instead of entire cases of just one figure at a time so the store pegs see more variety, and they find ways to cut corners like fewer accessories. Less articulation would help as well.


>>11555375
The Biden gang destroyed incriminating evidence on Hillary and Hunter as well as evidence proving the innocense of J6 political prisoners. They also destroyed the mountain of 2020 election fraud evidence Guiliani had after the FBI raided his office and siezed it without a warrant. Anyone who thinks they handed Trump the eqwuivalent of a legal nuclear bomb against the democrat and hollywood elites as well as foreign elites is sorely naive.

>>11555375
Power rangers isn't relevant

>>11555440
It is to millenials who grew up doing karate-kicks into the air while screaming "HYUH YUH HUH" while wanting to be like Tommy.

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>>11555379
Nah, it has to be a lot of fans, otherwise they wouldn't have sold out in their 2nd, 3rds, 4th, 5th, etc reiteration.

Guy claims that figures like Alley Vipers are the exception to the rule, but there were more than a few characters in 1989 and afterward that have/had very popular remakes.

So the question is whether its the economy crashing, Classified dying, or those specific characters being unpopular that is making them shelfwarm.

>>11555446
When you look at how many figures were produced after 1986, the exceptions really are just a few. You can really see it in the values of the original stuff where there's a noticable decline in the values after 1986 with the MCC and Defiant being the two big exceptions. BUT to be fair to Hasbro, they have managed to pull off a few surprises, like taking what's one of the worst original figures and turn him into a high-demand one (Crystal Ball). Not gonna lie: that surprised me.

>>11555426
>That huge spike in the Biden years
You're right, it's all Trump's fault. Idiot.

>>11555227
>kept accusing people like me
If multiple people have accused you of being racist, then there's a pattern there. But you're too dense to get that.

>>11555442
>millenials
How many of them care about toys?

>>11555471
Maybe racism is natural and healthy outside America

>>11555471
>(((People)))
There's a pattern alright, just not the one you think.

>>11555473
I've come across a lot of millenials who collect toys, but they seem to only be interested in (((CURRENT THING))) toys. So whatever is newest is whatever is coolest, especially for capeshit and Funko. I am not saying that it's the way they all are, and am only saying that's the pattern I've seen among those I've encountered.

>>11555469
Prices have been rising for over a decade now. Added articulation and more accessories = more parts to assemble + more molds to produce said parts. That raises the production cost. Even without inflation/Bidenomics/Trump, the prices rise anyway. It sure as hell doesn't help that toy-makers know that adults and not kids are buying, and adults are willing to pay more than the parents of kids are. I just got through paying $140 for a Rattler Baroness as a lot of others did. Knowing that, you know damn well that Hasbro will make sure that the repaint will cost a little extra over regular single-boxed figures.

>>11555477
>deer out in the woods
>deer sees other deer. Deer is calm among his own
>deer sees human or wolf
>deer instinctively knows that it's not another deer
>deer flees

>sparrow encounters mockingbird in tree
>they don't attack each other and both are just there
>but sparrow instinctively breeds with sparrow, and mockingbird instinctively breeds with mockingbird

"Racism" is actually an animal survival instinct dating back to when humans weren't even human.

>>11555495
>Prices always were rising
No shit. It's just during the Biden years they rode incredibly sharply in comparison to years prior. But it's all Trump's fault for some reason. I'm pretty irritated at a lot of the stuff he's doing, the tariffs and de minimis thing especially but blaming him for everything's stupid.

>>11555506
I'm not mad about the tariffs because I understand the economics of it. The price of anything American is up to twice in many countries than what it costs here because of tariffs against us for decades.

Do you remember other countries like Japan buying used Levi's jeans from Americans because new ones just costed way too much there?

And we all know about shit like HLJ where Americans buy foreign goods. Well people in other countries do that with stuff like electric guitars where American-made ones are considered to be the world gold standard, but local retailers sell for way too much. Plus shit like Nike. You think Air Jordans can cost a lot here? Try buying them in East Asia or Europe.

Other countries need to be more fair with international trade, which they just haven't been.

>>11555538
>I'm not mad about the tariffs because I understand the economics of it.
I understand the point of the tariffs and even support the idea of them, it's just the way this administration has implemented them has left a lot to be desired. They could've been a bit more thought out but things just keep changing every day. I don't disagree with other countries needing to be more fair, but there has to be a way for him to implement this shit without it directly affecting US citizens.

But once again you're avoiding my actual point is that prices sharply increased under Biden. Makes me think you're subjectanon since you argue like he does.

>>11555552
I didn't avoid it. I already affirmed it with this post:
>>11555426

>>11555471
>hurrrrr if we say it enough then maybe it will stick!
That's the thing though, you communist bastards have this tactic about demonizing people to the point that society accepts whatever horrors you unleash upon them. I'm sure you've been called "retarded" enough, so it must be true, right?

>>11555585
The ONE SINGLE group of people who get labelled racist also happen to be that same group that liberals made a popular social movement into hating while decriminalizing all crimes against that group so charges are always lesser for crimes against that group than against other people.

>>11555585
Projection and fear. Spoken like a true racist.

>>11555426
>J6 prisoners.
Lmfao

>>11555748
Why did every last member of the J6 committee get pardoned by Biden if they were the good guys?

>>11555823
It’s all theater anon. There’s no left or right.

>>11555827
There's left and there's right in all areas except for that one nation that's pretty fucking small, yet lays dominion over both parties in America.

>>11555247
3 is rather contentious because it crashes all the time for those on the low end and never does for those on the high end. Toy collectors are spread about, so some will never stop buying and never have to, and others will be strapped for cash and need to stop at times, which could lead to younger fans being more likely to not buy figures that would otherwise appeal to them.

All the more reason why as what he said may have some truth about gen x and millennials. I'm a millennial and I know we are not as well off as gen x, so our favorites will probably suffer in sales whereas the early 80s stuff will have more upper middle class and rich collectors who can support it. I'd like to get Darklon for example but I wouldn't pay 25 for it. And I don't buy in store--actually I've never seen Darklon at either Walmart or Target--so internet prices are pretty much my only option and they're just stuck at 24ish-25

>>11556198
You forgot about the collector who has pretty much everything and just burns out. That's what happened to HCC788 on YouTube. That also happened with a rich Star Wars collector who then decided to say "fuck it" and sell it all off once he had everything a few months ago.

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>>11555459
What the hell are you talking about?
GI Joe was still a very popular toyline after 1986. It was one of the few toylines that got a yearly giant playset/vehicle every year because it was popular enough to sell big ticket items. In fact, the second biggest year for GI Joe was either 1992 or 1991.

Nevermind the fact that we're talking about how characters made in 1989 and afterward were still very popular with fans, hence getting remade 2 or more times and being hard to find when they got remade for the 00s and 10s toylines.
These figures don't get remade a million times if they're not popular with fans

And you rely too much on secondary market values to gauge popularity. Tons and tons of examples of people just buying shit just to speculate and going bust on their "investment." Or unpopular shit only going for a lot of money because no one bought it when it first came out and they need to complete their collection.
Pic is an example of a massive shelfwarmer that stayed on shelves for literal years, went on clearance, probably got destroyed when stores couldn't sell them, and then 5 years later was going for $100 more everything else in the toyline on the secondary market.

And you're ridiculous to think that Hasbro somehow made a conscious decision that made Crystal Ball popular. Fact that he's popular is solely beacuse's a joke character that never got remade until now. Hasbro could have released a POS and it would have sold because "hahah, he's so shitty they couldn't even make a new mold for him and that joke is funny enough for me to buy. also, because he never got remade until now"

>>11556224
Secondary market value does help measure popularity of a figure. That's why Rattler Baroness is worth around $140 while Origins Baroness is probably the most worthless figure in the series.

And some people do like the age c effect " (clear plastic add-ons) for CB that makes him better than the original with a lenticular disc. It'll go nicely with the Ghost Viper that's coming. Now if only Hasbro would produce the "ghosts" of a Roman soldier, a WW1 ace pilot, and Mongolian horse warrior.

>>11556247
Stupid autocorrect. I meant the ghost effect.

>>11555426
I was working at Kay Bee toys part time during Clinton's second term, Christmas season 1997 through the early part of W's first term, February 2002 and prices rose for various toy lines then and it hasn't stopped since. So it doesn't matter which party is in power, they just keep rising for a variety of reasons, mostly material costs, inflation and innovations in the different lines, like added articulation, paint applications, sculpt development and the like.

>>11555375
The QC issues on PR were due to trying to switch to Vietnam, which if they would've succeeded in they would've been in a much better situation right now. If only you meddling kids didn't criticize all the QC issues they allowed through.

>>11555426
> if toy makers offer better assortments of figures per case instead of entire cases of just one figure at a time so the store pegs see more variety

This is incorrect and a lost cause. Entire waves usually have 1-2 pegwarmers, which would stop reordering. It's better if each figure is its own SKU so if a figure is pegwarming it doesn't stop reordering of other figures that are selling from the same line.

>cut corners like fewer accessories. Less articulation would help as well.
Why would you willingly ask for this? Might as well just ask for the line to be ruined like Black Series has been with single jointed crap.

>>11555502
We know--would you not have humans be better than mere animals?

>>11556223
That's a small subset though compared to pricing concerns over wide swaths of collectors

>>11556247
>Secondary market value does help measure popularity of a figure
Sure, but only in the long term. Right now, Baroness barely came out, she's rare, and some collectors are paying really high amounts of money for her, thus it creates a bubble. It's difficult to actually gauge whether it's popular or just speculation. Nevermind the price will always be pricier than normal, because of how limited the figure is and how you could only purchase her through a high priced boxed set.

Again, that Toad figure was a character no one cared about, was ugly, and was a huge shelf warmer (Crystal Ball parallels here). However, on the secondary market 5 years later, you'd say he was the most popular Marvel Legend of all because he was going for upwards of $400. The few people who actually bought that worthless Toad figure cashed in on some inane collectors.

How popular a character is actually easy to gauge on eBay, because how many ML Spidermans are actually sold everyday on eBay versus that Toad? A shit ton more, not just because more Spidermans were made, because you can even look at a Spiderman figure released during the same time as Toad.
So if you only look at price, you're only measuring how much people are willing to pay for it, not its popularity.

So we can look at how Alley Vipers from 1989 (and all remakes) or Saw/Range Viper from 1990 (and all remakes) ROUTINELY selling on eBay for way too much money for nearly 30 years, because this actually shows how popular a character is and is in such demand, it commands higher than normal prices. And this is despite the GI Joe secondary market actually falling in recent years.
I mean, you have Classified Metal Head going for less than any of the half dozen 1:18 Metal Heads, which shows how far shit has fallen. A deluxe figure that i never saw at Ross going for less than a loose Metal Head is pretty crazy.

>>11556291
Just throwing out how to lower prices. The Rattler figures didn't come with extra hands, for example.

>>11556313
The most valuable original Star Wars figure is Vlix, a fat blue alien that only got a Brazil release. Collectors pay for rarity as much as they pay for aesthetically attractive toys. And the Rattler Baroness will come down some, but I don't think it'll fall below $100 for a MISB example. And that price depends on Hasbro reissuing it in a different color. If they don't, then she gets more expensive as soon as new Rattlers are done shipping.

>>11555375
If they did release it under Biden' term you'd just say he was added there by the evil Dems. For whatever reason you ignore how often rich people are into that filth and believe the guy who has given every possible reason to believe he would, wasn't. For me I want it released and everyone, Trump or not, who was diddling kids to be behind bars. That's the difference. You want to protect Dumpy at all costs, and I want everyone who deserves it held accountable.