It’s over.
>>11591328He just wanted a Nobel Peace Prize...
>>11591328
another day another tantrum
>>11591328This is why we can't have nice things
>>11591328>this affects ALL countriesSurely not the BRICS ones though? Sounds like he's trying to make it sound less nuanced than it is.
>>11591339>China does something that negatively affects all other countries>It's Trump's fault You people are stupid
>>11591328A fake Louis Vuitton bag will now cost as much as a real one after tariffs
>>11591328Why stop at 100%? Why not 1 million %?>>11591346for real anon. If this shit isn't ruled illegal next month... I don't even want to imagine. I don't want 3 more years of this. It's also bullshit how they act like there is no inflation because he fires people reporting accurate numbers and replaces them with liars
>>11591368Tariffs aren't illegal, and after 4 years of Bidenflation, just shut the fuck up
>>11591368This is all part of the plan. Would’ve been exactly the same had the bitch “won”.
>>11591373>RED TEAM!>BLUE TEAM!Shut the fuck up
>>11591328Whelp, there we are. Here is the reason we need to move all manufacturing back to the US. Retarded lefties needed it proved to them in a big way, here's the big proof.
>>11591383Yeah bro let’s mine rare earth minerals here. What could possibly go wrong.
>>11591365Leftists have a warped perception on reality. Its on such full display that you literally cant spell it out for them no matter how hard you try.
>>11591387Imagine being so smug and not seeing the bigger picture
I don’t even buy toys anymore and I don’t buy stuff from China. Don’t really care about this desu.
>>11591390Imagine being such a bleeding heart faggots you talk in hyperboles and abstractions.
>>11591395Enjoy playing team sports retard.
>>11591392No offense, but then why are you even here? Seems like going into a bar when you've recovered from alcoholism.
>>11591401>muh teams>I'm so above it allShut the fuck up you raging faggot.
>>11591390Dont need to, blue sky and reddit exists for that lol.
>>11591405I’m innawoodsYes I am above your fake society run by Jews. We are about to go to war. The national guard are being put in place for a reason. ICE is for rounding up anyone they feel like labeling antifa. Shits about to hit the fan and you’re distracted.
>>11591383maybe, just maybe, we should have built that infrastructure before trying to start a trade war with the country that supplies us with the materials we can't live without
>>11591417Don’t be retarded anon.
>>11591416Sure you are. What's your codename? Salad Snack?
>>11591422Clit commander
>>11591402I like seeing what’s being released. I don’t come here often, I just visited for the first time in a few months to look at Comic Con stuff.
What are the tariffs at now?
Guess Todd isn't so foolish for making Digital Figures now, hm?
>>11591416cats
You don't understandz we are soon to be set free from this fomo shit
>>11591328well there went every small toy company out there. From Four Horsemen to Boss Fight, if they commit to this and stay with it those companies can't operate on those numbers and I doubt they can ask their supports to stomach buying figures at $60~$100 that once cost $40. Didn't 4H just start production on that dragon?
That’s the problem with Conservatives, they’ll dive face first into the shitter before ever admitting they’ve made a mistake. All pride yet with no base to be proud of. And if we tell them “told you so” they madder and eat more shit.
>>11591328Yep any day now hundreds of American factories will open up to replace china
>>11591328I wanted to order the Kemono Hime Animal Princess Gyaru Cat on Kanojo toys but I'm probably going to have to wait another month and save up 'cause tariff charges are gonna fuck me in the ass on top of the hundreds I'm going to have to spend on it. Fuck me...
holy shit, 300% more tariffs, it's so fucking over.
>>11591549Heh
Another day we pretend like something is going to happen when nothing ever happens and idiots argue with each other.
>>11591511I really wouldn't worry this is permanent. Much like the last time, this is too high to be sustainable. Its an attempt to get China to negotiate again, because they just played their hand, and their hand is unfortunately quite good.
>>11591570You don’t get it yet but you will. When reality hits you like a ton of bricks you’ll be one of the faggots that become hysterical like a woman. I hope you at least have a strong man in your life to slap you.
Someone want to explain to me what “export controls” is and how it negatively impacts me?
>>11591573You need to zoom out to get the full picture. The biggest tell is gold being 4k and climbing. It’s war.
>>11591577It means anything using these minerals now needs governmental approval to be sold outside of the country.
>>11591577I wouldn’t worry about it. I’m feeling sleepy. You feeling sleepy?
>>11591351cope
>>11591582So Trump is single handily ended my small business with a 100% tariff increase over something that has zero effect on normal Americans
>>11591588yeah but he was slighted so now you have to pay the price
>>11591588>zero effect on normal AmericansWar. 2027. Get ready
>>11591533>And if we tell them “told you so” they madder and eat more shit.Then dont tell them "told you so" and work towards making a good relationship instead to unite the country.
>>11591573Given america’s track record on the global stage, china would be an improvement. No vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, bombing iran, palestinian genocide, war in Europe? Sounds like an unmitigated improvement.
>>11591591What a retarded take.It'll be long before then.
>>11591383We will also have to import 50 million jeets and spics to man those manufacturing jobs
>>11591604well are you going to slave away in a factory for the rest of your life?
>>11591604Or the government can force companies to actually pay factory workers a liveable wage like they did back in the 50's.
>>11591621>the same government that won't even implement a livable minimum wage is going to make factory work decent moneylol
>>11591621>government forcing companies to do shitlol
>>11591628Paying people a liveable minimum wage at McDonalds wouldn't even be an issue if there were plentiful factory jobs that paid decent money. Jobs like cashiers and fast food workers should be reserved for teenagers looking to get their feet wet in the job market.
>>11591604>>11591621There won't be any factories unless Trump actually turns this into a dictatorship. The reason why companies don't build factories in the US is because federal, state, and local environmental agencies will basically stonewall them for YEARS at a time. That's quite literally what happened to the steel industry. Even refurbishing the mills was blocked pending "environmental surveys" and "impact studies" and they just went on for years with no end in sight. Even Texas, which is considered the most if not one of the most permissive states, still almost blocked Tesla's gigafactory and SpaceX operations and Elon got a pass because he's butt buddies with Trump and the GOP. But the average multi-million dollar manufacturing business doesn't have that pull, unironically. In China, it takes like a month. A few days if you grease the right wheels. In America? You're not building here. You're not allowed to do anything here, actually.There is no industry without pollution. It doesn't happen. That's why China, Vietnam, jeetistan, and other polluted shitholes are the manufacturing supersites of the world. Yeah, infrastructure and that kind of shit is nice to have. The government need to pay for it. The companies would do it themselves if they were allowed. But that's a whole other bag of worms with old assholes with giant plots of land refusing to sell even when they're not using the majority of it. MUH SMALL FARMER lol, lmao.
>>11591632factory jobs paying decent money = expensive toys
>>11591635>the government DOESN'T need to pay for itTypo.
>>11591636Cant be more expensive than they are importing them from other countries with tariffs out the ass.
>>11591632this is a bad takecashiers and food workers are essential employees despite how mundane the work they do is and you can't just close businesses 7 hours a day because the kids are all in school during those hours.
>>11591588No, China did.
>>11591645Cashiers? Maybe, even though a ton of thst shit is moving to automation. Fast food workers? Yea, no. Theyre absolutely not "essential" in any way, shape, oe form.
>>11591646nope, Trump did
>>11591373>BidenflationYou mean when inflation actually went down faster than the global average? Shit sign me back up for some of that. I just paid a crazy amount of money for electronic circuits that only China manufactures and now I'm passing that cost on. Thanks MIGA.
>>11591648look i don't know what kind of fast food place you are frequenting but they all have to have workers, we are not at a point where robots can do the cooking, they are essential to any business that wants to be open, for better or worse. is fast food itself essential? maybe not, but this is america, land of the big mac, and you're going to have to pry it from our dead artery clogged fingers.
>>11591339He also wanted people to forget that he's obviously on the Epstein client list.
>>11591654What's wrong with MIGA?
>>11591655The implication im making is that fast food in and of itself id worthless and far from essential, especially with how expensive it is these days. I could see if we were still in the days of $1 cheese burgers. But a big Mac meal costs more than a meal from Chillis or Apple Bees. No one needs to be frequenting these places.
>>11591646No they didn’t. The thing they did has no effect on me or any average American. Trumps response directly affects average Americans.
FUCK OFF, I'm not working in a fucking factory
>>11591417We're doing it right now anon. All of this trade war crap is decoupling the US from the globalist hegemon.
>>11591660no one needs to be doing anything, but the free market is at work, people are still buying fast food, and the employee is essential to their business.
>>11591665>the employee is essential to their business.You could say that about damn any employee at any business using that logic
>>11591511They made the conscious decision to force their careers to depend on the imports of foreign Chinese communist labor. They have no one to blame but themselves for their fuckups. Besides, it's not like the chicoms would not have eventually fucked them over and left them out to hang anyway.
>>11591666yes, hence why we should have a higher minimum wage than $7.25 even for the shit jobs no one wants, because someone has to do them at the end of the day
>>11591604A REAL American would go work in that factory for the betterment of his nation.
>>11591673you do it, faggot
>>11591668You could always work more than 20 hours a week.
>>11591678that would be pretty difficult for the teenagers you want working there given federal labor laws, and the businesses that wouldn't want them to work 30 hours anyway even if they were allowed.
>>11591328So basically China is closing up shop and for once the tariffs make some sort of sense Although it really makes you wonder if it's just staged, China cuts itself off the world, we tariff them than suddenly we strike a deal and the US is the only one with an exception
>>11591690> the tariffs make some sort of senseNo it doesn’t. Taxing Americans 100% on consumer goods over a foreign policy that doesn’t effect them is retarded
Third party bros...I'm not feeling so good...
>>11591692It's not meant to punish Americans you child. It's meant to deliberately hurt China. If anything, you should be pissed at all the companies passing the buck to you.
>>11591697I run a 3rd party company. I’m fucked
>nov 1styawn TACO time
>>11591699>It's not meant to punish AmericansAccept it does you retard. >companies passing it down to youFirst of all I’m one of those companies. Trump just single handily ended my business I spent years building. Second companies have no choose but to pass it down or will also shit down.
>>11591709Sure you do Pintar.
It is time
>>11591328THIS is why we are bringing manufacturing back to US shores. This stupid shit by the fucking communists. This is why Trump was right all along.
>>11591702>Worked for communist penniesNo sympathy, you are a fucking traitor
>>11591730>we are bringing manufacturing back to US shoresYep, they're sure doing that! Any second now. Juuuust give it a moment, they're working on it...rrrrreally soon. Honest. Soon. Just...just wait.
>>11591732You’re a clueless idiot
>>11591734This is how we make America great again, it starts with dropping the chink shit and bringing manufacturing back to the US. China gave us every single incentive to do exactly that.
>>11591747Awesome, go make me my shit, PRONTO!
>>11591744Get a job.
>Another Americans complaining their toys might cost a bit more thread
>>11591761>bit>Doubling the base price and still having the previous 30% from before >Thinking this just effects toys
>>11591761>he thinks it's just toys going up
>>11591768>>11591769>Oh noes I won't be able to order my cheap plastic garbage off of Temu>How ever could I survive?You'll be fine guys.
>>11591787Its not just the toys retard, infraestructure and technology is going to get way more expensive now
>>11591787Plugging your ears to stay ignorant is why these bad things happen.
>>11591791>Buying technology made in ChinaDisgusting. 99% of my shit actually doesn't come from China because their hardware sucks dick. >Buying building materials from ChinaThis is why your modern home is built like absolute dog shit. So glad I bought a house built in the 70s. >>11591794Ah bloo bloo bloo.
>>11591570The prices did go up already.
>>11591757Retard
>>11591768>>11591769>Acting surprised I only focused on the toys when we are on /toy/
>>11591655my local Burger King has an AI take your order. I honestly prefer it.
>>11591730>>11591747If you were in charge of minimizing the costs of building a new factory, would you be confident that all this tarriff shit won't disappear in 3 years with the next election? Hell it could disappear in a week. There is no long term plan, tariffs have just been a cudgel to beat other countries with, manufacturing is just a bedtime story to go with it.
>>11591997No, you're just a clueless moron
>>11591328Before you start laughing at amerifats, think. United States of Israel is a big market for a lot of collectibles. I think even the biggest.If they are gone, a lot of toy companies will strugle. Smaller brands may die.Prices for every toy will go up to compensate.We all are going to suffer.And no, they won't do production locally. All they know is how to make bombs and kill people from poor countries. Look what they gonna do with Venezuela soon.
>>11591661>The thing they did has no effect on me or any average AmericanHow naive are you?
>>11591549>Yep any day now hundreds of American factories will open up to replace chinaIt takes like 4 or 5 years to design and build a factory. And that also depends on the large equipment and electronics being sitting and waiting to go. A large AC unit alone can take 6 months to a year to get and that was before everyone wanted on.Its maddening that Trump and his supporters dont understand the concept of time
>>11591365Wow absolutely crazy. Release the Epstein files
>>11591365>>11591387>>11591395>>11591405
>>11591328Tariff will fix economy bros! brossss!>>11591761Eggs in America are now 60% more expensive than they were last year, braindead
>>11592124Yeah and why the fuck would anyone make a huge investment in domestic manufacturing when they can just wait those 4 or 5 years for this policy reversed and pass the import cost off to the consumer who literally has no other options for some of these products.Anyone who sees factories returning to the states as a potential outcome of these tariffs, much less a desired one, is a legitimate brainlet.
These threads are always the same.>you don't need toys there are more important things>factories will come back to the US>prices haven't gone up>but Biden>get a jobThe maga fags or possibly larpers are just trolling r-right? Or are there really anons that retarded on this board?
>>11592131Skip it. Too much facts bro.
>>11592165where do you think you areof course there are anons that delusional here, this site has been like this for a decade now, this board simply used to be much more active, so they weren't as common
>>11592165Theres the guy who doesn’t clean his house in his 50’s bitching about everybody still here crying about some made up boogieman, where do you think you are? A containment zone.
>>11591635Wah wah, the big bad epa wont let me kill my neighbors for a buck
>>11592349>Theres the guy who doesn’t clean his house in his 50’sThat's oddly specif. I don't get the reference.
>>11591699>If anything, you should be pissed at all the companies passing the buck to you.Its amazing how much faith and love american conservatives have for business and yet do not understand it.Let me explain something very basic to you. Everything a company pays for in getting a product to your hand is the cost of doing business. Its usually broken into fixed and variable costs. This includes everything that costs the business money. Be it labor, material, power, water, rent, marketing, engineering, legal fees, consultants, etc and so forth. When you slap a tarrif on something you add another little bundle of money that has to be paid to that long list bills that have to be paid before the company makes a profit. The companies that make the product and the companies that sell the product factor this into the price customers pay. In the case of retailers, the tariff is factories into what they charge you, the consumer. They aren't just going to eat it. They always ask the consumer to eat it. And if the consumer refuses to eat it, retailers will put it on clearance and then just not buy anymore because its not worth their time.I fucking swear. How do some of you breath and walk at the same time? You really thought the biggest retailers in the world weren't going to pass the cost of the tariffs down to you eventually? That walmart and amazon were just going to make less money?
>>11591699Funny how we're the ones getting hurt, and being ground into poverty and possible homelessness. But hey, as long as the Chinese suffer right! I'm sure they're suffering soooo hard!
>>11592152>Anyone who sees factories returning to the states as a potential outcome of these tariffs, much less a desired one, is a legitimate brainletThey aren't wrong for wanting it. Its just really stupid to think this is the way to do it. It should have been done in private and in phases with a few big news stories like the chip manufacturing.You legitimately cant build a large factory in 4 or 5 years. People have to design the equipment. Then a building to house it. Then someone builds it all. And our country can only do a couple at a time. The idea that we can just design and build all this stuff before the next election isa fantasy. Like holy shit, I dont think we even half enough people to lay concrete slabs to bring that many factories over in 3.5 years. It was taking a year to clear and lay a slab for a factory before Trump was elected and people think we're going to do that 50x more?And its obvious its not happening or there would be news stories all over the place about ground being broken for new factories. And yet their is zero news about such
>>11592229Storm front closing that one time, Obama and Trump ruined the board.Remember when the place was a bunch of goofy net kids goof'n?Like Remember line trap? One half of the board trolling people with trap pics and the other thinking she was cuter because it was a dude?That 4chan is dead. Too many negative people. No more fun'n and goof'n
>>11592387>Funny how we're the ones getting hurt, and being ground into poverty and possible homelessness. But hey, as long as the Chinese suffer right! I'm sure they're suffering soooo hard!China and 4chan being hurt is probably the point. Stephen Miller is a legitimate racist. He hated all the brown people around him, growing up. Dude probably hates Chinese and Japanese people too. Probably hates white people watching anime and buying gunpla and importing figures. He's the kind of guy that would take great joy in knowing he's ruining your hobbies. There is no shortage of stories from family, people from school and college and work about him. He very much is the asshole in the nerd group that got angry about anime and Pokémon back in early 00s.Dude's a peice of shit. I have no doubt that he takes joy in ruining our hobbies. He hates nonwhites and hates when whites interact with them. Cutting off your supply of products from China and japan is the point. He hates that you enjoy them.
>>11592371You likely talked to him itt with his maniacal ravings, had some of his inane spam removed
>>11592395>You legitimately cant build a large factory in 4 or 5 years. You can if you're China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigafactory_ShanghaiWhich is more proof to the point really. China has a massive state apparatus for making shit happen. They create decades long plans for how they're going to fit into the world, and the control of minerals that Trump is upset about now is an example of that.America meanwhile is a globalist free market enterprise. Trump is tapping on the breaks of a F1 car and everyone knows if he died tomorrow the next person will step on the gas.
>>11592402> Like Remember line trap? One half of the board trolling people with trap pics and the other thinking she was cuter because it was a dude?This is just proof that this place always sucked. You were just 15 and thought it was the funniest thing ever.
>>11592165did you know that /pol/'s userbase is 40% bots
Americans get what they deserve (poverty)reminder that you pay the health care system of israel. They get it for free.
>>11592387What's so bad about China anyway? I've seen some street interviews from there and people seem chill. They make kino toys and have some very pretty sites. I feel like I wouldn't mind living in china desu instead of clown world
>>11592505they make better toys than american'ts and thats BAD
>>11592505Enjoy dying in a funny industrial accident I guess.
>>11592369The EPA is evil and useless. You can't even find any neutral figures for people in China allegedly killed by pollution every year. They're all based on presumptions made by a few studies funded by the World Bank and WHO.
>>11592514Why would that happen? It's not like I would go there to work in a factory
>>11592518>"It's not like I would go there to work in a-">Neighboring chemical plant spontaneously detonates, instantly liquefying anon and everyone else in a 15 mile radius
>>11591383Yeah man im sure god left all the materials here in his second favorite place on earth.
>>11592491Singapore
>>115925697000$
>>11591328FFS, I've got a shit ton on preorder from Japan right now. I'm never going to financially recover from this.
>>11591632>factory jobs>decent moneythis isn't the 1950s, most assembly line work starts about the same as McDonalds or Wal-Mart does
Can this stupid nigger actually improve some things over here while destroying foreign trade?I have accepted that the toy scene is fucked but we aren't even getting anything out of it.
>>11592663>thinking trump is serving anyone other than himself in the year 2025We need concentration camps for retards like you
>>11592514
>>11592584Rat
>>11592395Design what pray tell? You sound like fucking Nasa claiming they forgot how to make a space shuttle. Ancient Chinese Secret, indeed.
>>11591588There is no 100% tariff yet. Show me the executive order. It's all talk and he's already walking it back.
>>11591328I can't wait for him to fucking die.
>>11592426>You can if you're China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigafactory_Shanghai>Which is more proof to the point really. China has a massive state apparatus for making shit happen. They create decades long plans for how they're going to fit into the world, and the control of minerals that Trump is upset about now is an example of that.China can do it because China doesnt care about cost. They approach a lot of problems the way thr US solved giant problems like ww2 and landing on the moon, and that is through putting a lot of educated people on something and writing a blank check. America is going to capitalism itself to death. Survival isnt profitable to the right people.Obviously americans could throw up factories in weeks if enough brains and money was put on it. But we refuse to do that because it wouldn't make any money.Capitalism and democracy are probably failed experiments. Capitalism eventually eats itself and democracy eventually produces a mass of people that are too stupid to vote intellectually
>>11592505>What's so bad about China anyway?It is both the most backward country and the most advanced, at the same time. It is probably the only world power that didnt bother to modernize the entire country. Large sections of rural chino look like 1830.This can be applied to China as a whole. Cutting edge tech next to drug stores that sell rhino horn and horse cocks as cures. Cutting edge medical science being used by doctors who also dont understand antibiotics
>>11592517>The EPA is evil and uselessAnon, have you ever worked in a factory? I have. Let me tell you, if the epa didnt exist, factories would come to your house and shit doen your throat for a dollar.There is no level of pollution they wouldn't do to avoid costs. They' literally put all kinds of trash in the water and smoke in the air to a oid paying to dispose of it right.People that bitch about the EPA are morons
>>11592829>Design what pray tell? You sound like fucking Nasa claiming they forgot how to make a space shuttleThey contracted a lot out. If a company went under, the peocess to do a thing was lost.It points a glaring flaw in capatalism. So many processes are hidden that we really can just forget how to make something id a company goes under
>>11591328Its worse than over. Trump is causing UPS to put your mail in the garbagehttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna236607International mail is down 70 % and UPS still cant get mail past customs fast enough instead of building or renting more warehouse space, they are just putting mail in a dumpster.You guys need to look long and hard at this solution the next time you want to get rid of usps. Private companies will just put your shit in the garbage if its not profitable for them. They are apparently not obligated to deliver your mail
Those files must be crazy
>>11591328But trannies and her emails, amirite?
>>11593031>nbcnews>in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty fivelol, lmao even
>>11591383WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BUY THE MACHINES TO MANUFACTURE STUFF? HUH? RIDDLE ME THAT ONE, CLEVER BOY!The factories are gone! The owners stripped them and shipped them off to China because they didn't want to pay Americans to work. This was decades ago, the Americans who worked in them haven't done that kind of work in ages. The people who built the machines in the factories are dead or retired. We do not have the industry or knowledge to build the things we would need to start to rebuild our industry. Rebuilding our industry would take decades, and a whole lot of knowledge and equipment from overseas. It would have to be a massive government project with a careful combination of slowly phasing in tariffs combined with targeted spending, and a significant amount of from the top government direction of the market which is anathema to both political parties.And let's say that we did manage to do it. It's 20 years from now and any high school graduate can go get a job at a factory. Those jobs would be awful. Dangerous, no benefits, poverty wages, zero job security, just the absolute worst. "But factory jobs are good jobs!" I hear you say, stupidly. No they aren't! They famously aren't! We are talking about the Dark Satanic Mills here, people! We only think factory jobs were good jobs because industry was heavily unionized! UNION jobs are good jobs! And the unions are fucking dead.I'm sorry dude, but every part of this is impossible and stupid.
>>11593055America under the current system is over. To improve people's lives would require major systemic change, a government that is willing to intervene in the market and a populace that is willing to demand thingsThis bullshit where people think the factories still exist and can be turned back on like a lightswitch and then it's 1955 again forever, is just incredibly stupid. It's not a bad idea, it's a nonsensical impossible idea. Like saying that the solution to healthcare is everybody simply deciding not to get sick or hurt anymore.
It just doesn't make sense to tariff the entire world. It is literally impossible for America to become 100% self sufficient and not import a single item ever. Even getting close to that would probably take like a hundred years. In the meantime everyone would struggle financially and have to go without many commodities and basically be forced to live a worse lifestyle. American society would regress while trying to figure out how not to rely on other nations while the rest of the world prospers through mutually beneficial trade.There is literally nothing wrong with trading and importing, it has always been a cornerstone of civilization. Anyone who wants America to become completely self sufficient and thinks it is even remotely possible should be sterilized so they don't end up birthing more retarded subhumans.
>>11593038>I'm sorry dude, but every part of this is impossible and stupid.Its not impossible. Just impossible for Republicans and modern democrats.To make it happen you'd have to give up on free market capitalism. You'd have to pull a ww2 where companies were forced to work together and do things the way the government wanted. So you'd have someone like a team of engineers at ford design a new machine, and then 4 of their competitors would have to make the same exact machine with extremely high quality standards so all the parts would be interchangeable. Or like NASA and landing on the moon where they had infinite money for a central group to organize the peocess and design and then bid the construction of Individual parts out to different companies. Or do it like Russia and make all those parts internally via many state owned companies.But none of that is going to happen because the republican party has no faith in the methods that made America a super power. They fantasize about the greatness of America after WW2 and haye the methods used to build that America.Corporate Capatilsm can't do what Trump wants. It exists to make money and its not going to knock down the first tree and put up the first building or install the first machine until things stabilize and they see a clear path of making money. AND the return on in investment has to be like 2 years and before the next election. Which isnt in the cards for most factories
>>11593068Right, not physically impossible but politically impossible. When are choices for president are Trump and, I dunno, Pete Buttigeig? it might as well be physically impossible.
>>11593070I feel like you're being dishonest.Yeah, America needs to get off China's tit.But King Baby Boy just declaring it and slapping tarrifs on things isnt just going to make it happen.Like does anyone here have pictures of new factories going up? Products now labeled made in America and not China thst were previously said China?All this stupid arguing but at the end of the day the proof is in the pudding and there are no new factories and products aren't switching over to made in the US.
>>11592663This is HOW things are made better.Step #1 is removing the globalist yoke from the American neck. Then we begin producing for ourselves. At the end we will be a strong producer of our own goods that manufacture American goods for Americans. The economy will be significantly stronger and not subject to foreign whims.
>>11593081>Step #1 is removing the globalist yoke from the American neck.America is the kingdom of globalists. We've been the one cramming it down everyone's throats and enforcing it at the barrel of a gun>Then we begin producing for ourselves.Once again, how? Where will we get the machines and the knowhow to build more machines? Trump said the new tariffs start Nov 1, so we've got three weeks.>At the end we will be a strong producer of our own goods that manufacture American goods for Americans. The economy will be significantly stronger and not subject to foreign whims.America has never been an Autarky, not once in it's history. The period of greatest general prosperity, following WW2, was explicitly because we could bring in cheap raw materials from overseas, manufacture stuff from them, and then sell those materials overseas as well. The entire point of the Marshall Plan (aside from forcing an economic divide between the US-aligned western Europe and the Soviet-aligned eastern Europe) was to build up Europe as a market for American finished goods. We needed them to be able to buy our stuff.yes, our current system sucks. But this fantasy autarky idea built on completely misremembering how the economy worked in the 50s is a literal pipe dream, you are a fucking crackhead.
>>11593081>Then we begin producing for ourselves. At the end we will be a strong producer of our own goods that manufacture American goods for AmericansWhere's it at mother fucker? Has a single new factory opened?
So this only affects third party chink shit?
>>11593099Go look at the bottom of package of your hasbro and Mattel shit
>>11593088>America is the kingdom of globalists. We've been the one cramming it down everyone's throats and enforcing it at the barrel of a gunThis is the most annoying p[art of this whole fucking mess. The US leadership in all parties and in all companies for the last 40+ years have been 500% PRO Globalization as much as possible and forcing it on every citizen.All of a sudden new Administration gets into power and then gets right to work punishing the fuck out of everyone for the thing that was forced on them decades ago. Acting like it was some huge concerted effort by all American citizens to want all their manufacturing and process to be moved to China because every single voter just plain loves China sooooo much. On top of the fact that people really do not like the status quo to be overturned in a huge destructive way like this. It kind of fucks up the whole lifestyle when someone gets into power and starts breaking things. But apparently we have to deal with it because now they are attaching patriotism to it and anyone who does not like their life being turned upside down is clearly a Marxist Globalist that hates America.
>>11593104>Made in VietnamOk?
>>11593107Why does no one bring this up? You all bitch and moan and freakout about "other than toys" but go out to your local Target and pick a few random items off the shelf and more often than not, you're going to find it either made in Taiwan or Vietnam or Indonesia. China is moving away from being a country of slave labor and thus export less cheap plastic shit than they ever have. Not really sure why no one points this out.
>>11593206It's retards shitposting because ORANGE MAN BAD
>>11593105The will of the American people doesn't matter. The people with power in America (the rich and well connected) have been the greatest masterminds of globalization. They forced it upon the American people and the people of the world because it made them money and broke the power of labor. And the politicians have been more than happy to be the nursemaids of globalization since the banks broke NYC in the 70s.That same power structure is still in place. Power has in fact become far more concentrated. Being a millionaire doesn't mean shit anymore, to have real power you need to be a billionaire. And that's a much smaller group that is far more insulated from some absurd notion like the "will of the people"That's why they're letting Trump break whatever he wants. Because the ultra-rich know that nothing bad can ever happen to them, and this kind of chaos and destruction is simply a great opportunity for them to gain control of what assets are left outside of their power.
>>11592763I don't think that.>>11593081>Step #1>Cut ourselves off from everything without even starting production here and seemingly not having any real plan to implement doing soHow do you not see how retarded that is?
>>11593070Singapore rat keeps on seething
>>11593295>How do you not see how retarded that is?Because he's an idiot that doesnt realize how long it takes to design and eventually build something. It takes, what, 6 month to a year to design a toy and get it to consumers? And people think they can get 100s of 1000s of factories in the same or less time? It takes americans 6 months to a year just to build 1 house
>>11593081>Then we begin producing for ourselves.If we had a time machine and could kick out all the people going 'hey other countries can do it for cheaper! go shut down the factories and fire hundreds of people!!' among other horrific decisions we are still living with today, then sure. That isn't the reality we live in now though. It will take a long time before we could ever be self sustaining AND be able to meet the supplies for the demands of our own country. In the mean time we have to rely on global trade to keep up with what we've been doing.
So, is only a single person is going to acknowledge the whole "China is transitioning away from being a country of manufacturing" thing and still act like all the cheap plastic shit you buy at Walmart doesn't come from Taiwan, Indonesia, or Vietnam?
>>11593324It takes on average from first concept to final production on most products sold to consumers roughly two years, however this is with it being considered that there was already a factory, with equipment, raw materials, a place to render raw materials, ntm each factory would have to charge multiple times more to afford what was paid to build the factory and equipment or have below minimum wage slaves
>>11591732When did conservatives stop being the party of small business?
>>11593342sneed pedo
>>11593399we made your shithole country worth 5 dollars rat
>>11591328all your shit is made in china lmao
>>11593105People who voted for globalists need to suffer along with the globalists when the actual patriots are sick of their shit. Selling out your own nation for a few pennies off some cheap chink slop should be a punishable offense.
>>11593419rat
>>11593424sneed rat
China is that bad kid who's in the back seat telling his sister, "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you", as their fingers are half an inch from their neck. Trump is the dad in the front seat who threatens he's going to turn the car around. It's a back and forth, every time China decides to test the waters of authority (Trump). China didn't like his first attacks on them very much, shit going to hell there. BUT... it's China. They think they can test the waters and repeat it. NOPE. ...Look, just chill. Let Trump be Trump. We can decide 2 or 3 years from now if it was better or not than having the eternally drunk "I was a middle class girl and raised by two mommas, one of them I called "Mamala" and cooked collared greens in bathtubs" type retardation.
>>11593468Rat
>>11593468Actual based Athena post?
>>11593457>"Just shoot yourself in the balls, we can determine if it was a good idea 2-3 years from now"
>>11593343Is this a worthwhile thing to discuss? Is trump not putting tariffs on goods from those countries?
>>11593420Stephen Miller has entered the chat
>>11593490who
>>11593457Your example only makes sense if the son is actually the dad, and the driver is the son.China isnt in a submissive role to the US. They are one of the great 3 super powers. Theh are essentially another dad, in your story.If they hadn't had a love affair with communism, they would be THE world's main super power. They killed most of their educated population while the rest of the world was advancing.
>=*Stephen Miller* needs to use ">" to code his unconscious thoughts into a living being. AI, is that some kind of graham cracker brand?
>>11593497singapore
>>11593495is your ai malfunctioning, because i still don’t know who the fuck he is
>>11593485They do still have tariffs applied but they're at a much smaller rate than China, meaning their prices won't skyrocket. However, toys are still produced in China and that's what everyone in here is freaking out about.
>>11593081Yeah and it will take 20 years even if true. Most of us will be dead or too old to care anymore. Our youthful days were raped by Trump and Covid. Say what you will about MUH BIDEN but at least I didnt have to see his stupid fucking face every day because he said something retarded.
>>11593099Nigga all we buy IS chink shit
>>11593522>Our youthful days were raped by Trump and CovidSpeak for yourself, my youth was spent during the Bush Jr. years. You don't even know how good it was back then.
>>11593529Sorry zoomer doomer, your opinion doesn't count.
there should be a containment zone for shitter threads like this
>>11593420Everyone who has voted in the US for the past, conservatively, 40 years, has voted for a "globalist"
>>11593531Go back to pol faggot
>>11593551rat
>>11593532this is the containment zone retard
>>11591365>>11591387Trump is the one who started a trade war on China. It was foolish to think they wouldn't hit back.
>>11593527>Speak for yourself, my youth was spent during the Bush Jr. years.Man, id give anything to go back to Bush Jr. We only thought we knew what a conservative dumbass sounded like. Man oh man how wrong we were
>>11593636It's almost quaint now.
>>11593629>Trump is the one who started a trade war on China. It was foolish to think they wouldn't hit back.Trump is an idiot and doesnt understand that we can only put so much pressure on a country the size of China. He acts like everyone else is a banana republic
>>11593639>It's almost quaint nowWhats quaint is we tried to impeach Bill over lying about getting his dick sucked. Oh to go back to a world where the worst thing was a lie about a blow job
>>11591328How does this affect my Japanese dolls?
>>11593694They're going to collapse because Americans can't buy them.
>>11593642He thinks like an elderly boomer who believes 2025 china is exactly the same as 1985 China.It's the same with just about all of his moves. He is basically a screeching old boomer who spouts old boomer talking points.>Things used to be made in America dammit!>Why are you buying that cheap Chinese shit?!>All those goddamn immigrants and gang members coming over here to sell their drugs!>It's those goddamn universities fault all the kids are gay these days!>All those damn liberal cities are nothing but warzones of drug addicts burning down businesses!>Everyone is driving a damn Japanese car, they should be buying American dammit!Every one of his bullet points are the same things my angry old grandfather used to yell at everyone. Plus he has completely turned into angry old Grandpa Simpson who is always mad at something arbitrary or made up, and tends to take any comment made as some insult to him and he rages about it. And the old boomers who elected love it because he thinks and says the same cray shit as them.
>>11591585you'd take it up the ass and cut your own cock off and call yourself Eve if your handlers told you it was owning the libs.I hope whatever happened that made you this way keeps happening to you.
>>11593714Its fine to be angry about that stuffBut you just cant fix them by snapping your fingers.And you cant fix them with raw pure free market capitalism. We won ww2 with socialism. We were an economic power house from 1945 to 1969 with socialism. Same for putting humans on the moon. "Just get out of the way of the market" is horse shit. The free market didnt do any of America's biggest achievements. It has played a part in many of our nation's most regretsble actions however.
>>11593860US became a powerhouse after WW2 because the rest of the developed world was largely a rubble field, and the US was about the only country intact to actually buy things from and help rebuild.
>itt: the current status quo is so horrible but we need to keep keeping the status quo because any action to change the status "MIGHT" be badOk
>>11593860>We won ww2 with socialismHow did an entire generation get so absolutely mind fucked into thinking this? Genuinely? I think we need to replace the entire teaching staff in this country. Not necessarily for primary school, although the damage a 20 something year old white woman can cause is pretty extreme, it's not the end of the world. But at the collegiate level, we really need to just hard replace all of them. These faggots have absolutely ruined an entire generation. Imagine actually believing the greentext above unironically.
>>11593949Imagine believe any of this right wing nonsense.
>>11593961You didn't even read the post Rikesh.
>>11591654>lived in a vacuum for the past 5 years>pretends like toy prices didn't rise anyway over the past decade>just want to play politics with "MUH TRUMP" because social programming is telling him toWe had these same arguments over toy prices before Trump was in office. It's not as political as you want it to be. And yeah the prices fucking suck so very much and makes it hard to collect new stuff, but personally for me there's penty of stuff already out on the market, so it's a good excuse to fill in the holes in my collecting now that new toy prices have reached the point of older figures.
>>11593860Free-market capitalism is what compelled companies to exploit "economies of scale" to mass-produce more at lower per-unit prices so they can sell for less and capture more of the market. We don't have that in the toy industry because retailers got burned hard by Star Wars movie merch flopping, so sellers do their best to order at the exact "equilibrium quantiy" where they buy just enough at the best wholesale price while making sure they don't buy too much so they don't get a lot of unsellable surplus. So store pegs and shelves are just not as full as they used to be. And that nudges up the price. So each "wave" is now literally "one-time shipment" orders. And that effects the price. The 80s are over. In the 80s most GI Joe figures were produced for two years with as many retail shipments as retailers would take. The same Star Wars figures produced in 1978 were still being produced in 1983. With everything now being one-time shipments, retailers can no longer use economies of scale to sell at the lowest price and producers can no longer use it to produce at the lowest price. So basically the invisible hand of CHILDREN shows itself. With them not being the majority-toybuyers, the industry is being forced to settle with lower sales.
>>11593862The knowledge base, factory equipment, training, and raising the quality of products to the same high level are all a product of socialism. American companies were only primed to provide goods and services to a broken world after ww2 because of improvements made to the work force and industry during ww2
>>11594046that's what happens when toys r us dies :)
>>11594108I really hope you're just a janitor or something because holy shit it's kind of scary how wrong you are.
>>11593949>How did an entire generation get so absolutely mind fucked into thinking this?How do you not know it? Its right there in every documentary on ww2. They just dont explicitly say it.What do you call selling war bonds? Those aren't stocks issued by the free market.What do you call war production? Those products weren't produced by a free market. The US made jeeps with interchangeable parts at ford, willy's which had interchangeable parts made by competitors and companies that never made said parts. They had singer sowing machines making guns. None of that is free market. Its anti competition to have lots of companies working together and raising the low performers to the same quality level as the best company.You're just a stupid idiot that thought this stuff happened via magic.
>>11594123Companies making products that have interchangeable parts made by other companies isn't socialism you fucking commie swine.
>>11593860Thing is, Trump only understands the Stick part of Carrot and Stick. He is not doing a single fucking thing to entice or attract any business at all. He is only punishing people for things he does not like. He wants US manufacturing, while not doing any damn thing at all to make building a domestic factory viable or a good idea. He only punishes anyone for importing and attacks companies that do business overseas. When really any politician or just leader in general, knows that if they want to build something then they are going to have to make it beneficial and make a special deal for people to build it or want to spend their money to build it. At least make a tax incentive for companies to move to the states. He hasn't done any of that at all, and likely never plans to. He just wants to levy punishment after punishment on people for not building here. He only knows how to yell at people and demand they do shit or else. Even if he just put the Nation Guard he keeps sending to various cities on some kind of a cleanup program, or have them fix things like broken roads, bridges, knock down abandoned buildings etc. No one in DC has thought of that either.... He only wants them to intimidate people and enforce whims.
>>11593860>But you just cant fix them by snapping your fingers.See there's the problem. Trump and almost all of his cabinet appear to think that yes they can. They can snap fingers, yell some and anything they want in the world can happen. And in every other nation they turn their attention to as well.
>>11593860>>11593949Then we had to fight an ideological war with Communists for the next 50 years. So anything remotely social was evil Bolshevik slavery and had to be shunned as much as possible.Along with their commie pinko Metric system, and public transportation. Americans had to wrap a freedom identity around anything a commie might have done or liked and play it off as pure elemental evil.
>>11591328Your welcome for my attention to this matter.
>>11594110>I really hope you're just a janitor or something because holy shit it's kind of scary how wrong you are.You keep on with this but you've offered to counter arguments.Just because you saw some footage of of factories on the history channel doesnt mean that the war effort was driven by free market capitalism. Like for real, stop reacting and posting dismissive little nothings and actually take a second to read about the american war effort in ww2. Just pick a random peice of equipment and track the life of the equipment. People write entire books on this stuff. Jeep people. Gun people. Etc.Ww2 wasnt won with free trade. And the great economic boom of the 40s, 50s and 50s was all made on the back of that war effort.Everyone old people love about America goes back to that war. Simple shit like cheap car mechanics, cheap carpenters, supply lines, its all out of that war. Like do you know why auto repairs were cheap in the 40s and 50s? There was a surplus of vets that were trained to repair the motor pool of the US military. All trained by the government. Neither the mechanic or customer paid for the training. The tax payer did.
>>11594135>Companies making products that have interchangeable parts made by other companies isn't socialism you fucking commie swineBut they were in ww2. Making the assertion vague enough to sound stupid, doesnt make the specific realty of ww2 stupid.If you have 5 companies competing, and each company has various levels of quality, skills know how, etc and you tell them to stop competing, work together and you raise the skill level and quality of the companies to match the best company, and you do it with tax dollars, you do not have free market capitalism.I don't even know why you continue to argue. You're completely ignorant into what went into winning ww2 and how the american war economy worked.
>>11594143>Thing is, Trump only understands the Stick part of Carrot and Stick.>He is not doing a single fucking thing to entice or attract any business at all. He is only punishing people for things he does not like. He wants US manufacturing, while not doing any damn thing at all to make building a domestic factory viable or a good idea. He only punishes anyone for importing and attacks companies that do business overseas.Thats because his base hates the carrot.The obvious answer is to offer incentives to get started on building those factories. But that would be a communism. His base only likes socialism and communism when it is used to run or fund or supply the US military. And only because the military is a sacred cow that the base does not understand how it works or pays for itself.
My town paid out the ass for factories to break ground here, glassy eyed boomers dreaming of the 1950s. The reality was they bulldozed a bunch of homes and farmland by declaring them "blighted", gave a fat check to the company moving in- and the factory they built is mostly unused to this day. (We will be paying for it for a long time though). We are much worse off than we would have been just telling them to fuck off. I trust people talking about reindustrialization about as far as I can throw them. It's like all those retarded plans to bring malls back. Not pragmatic and driven by emotion/nostalgia. For the states to be competitive with these things again it would require a decades long bipartisan effort, not rugpulling the many businesses in the states that rely on Chinese manufacturing .
>>11594143Solid industry is not founded on gibs and handouts. That is now how we became the most powerful nation in history. Libshit has fucked your brain to the point where you cannot fathom a single event happening in the world that does not involve government hanging out taxmoney to people for no actual reason. THIS is how the education system has fucking failed the world. Trained people to think like you.
>>11594180They also like the socialism when it directly benefits them, like the farmers lining up for the bailouts they’ll be needing for years now.
So is he actually doing the tariffs or was it bullshit to manipulate the market? I cannot fucking tell anymore.
>>11594279It can be both things.
>>11594235>Solid industry is not founded on gibs and handouts. That is now how we became the most powerful nation in history. Libshit has fucked your brain to the point where you cannot fathom a single event happening in the world that does not involve government hanging out taxmoney to people for no actual reason.>THIS is how the education system has fucking failed the world. Trained people to think like you.What are you basing this on? Not history. Imagine watching footage of the moon landing or Hiroshima and thinking Gibs and handouts dont solve problemsYou assholes are all the same. You dont really care about economics or politics. You just hate the poor.
>>11594279yes
>>11594282>>11594295Well hopefully those factories are built soon. As I know they must be, since that was the point of all this.
>>11591328Look, it's clear he's manipulating the markets for his cronies and senpai members to make billion off stock and crypto sells and buys. He's already backed off like a TACO on this while some body made over 190 million on bitcoin short sells with precision timing.
