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When will we get previews from Mattel?

>>11593657
Good job with the OP, anon

>>11593681
I doubt until some ways into 2026

>>11593681
Christmas. Insider here. First wave will have Zatanna.

>>11593681
The license won't allow them to show anything until Todd's line has run its course.

>>11593657
More like last farts

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Everything is so fucked

It's good that they're just making totally obscure nonsense so now that the prices are sky high compared to what the figures would actually be worth, I don't need to pay the prices. Hasbro's price hike to 28 was more reasonable although they are bullshitting with 2 packs and deluxes and such but of course Todd has his own issues with CEs not being worth 35

>>11593719
Yeah I wonder how many months it'll take for McFarlane Toys to go bankrupt after they stop selling DC figures.

Its a funny thread title to me since i was honestly considering just dropping out after my next few preorders get fufilled.
BUT then i saw the NINJA STRIKE BATMAN series brought to us by our friends at SPIN MASTERS and felt the life course through my clogged arteries again.
I think its funny that the three figures in the op are all nft figures, that are walmart scalper con exclusives, those guys are gonna make banks off of their investments.

>>11593729
meds

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>>11593729
I'm just waiting for a scalper to post a Starman Jack on ebay and for Zatanna to go up. I keep forgetting I have the Batman Returns wave on preorder.
Mostly I'm really excited for Nacelle's Star Trek line. $30 is a really nice deal and it's funded by a madlad movie producer who just wants to make every character who's ever been on screen.

>>11593729
Where do they even sell these digital collectibles? I only know to sell the cards on ebay and they go for basically nothing but thats because I'm not "HIP" to the "NFT" scene like all those Japanese housewives Todd said are living in 12x12 apartments and don't have room to collect figures so they just buy an NFT and look at it on a computer screen.

NGL I'm really excited to see what Mattel is going to do, especially if they return to 6" scale. I'm so sick of Todd's 90's speculator mentality. I'm not even touching his Mortal Kombat figures with their chase nonsense.

cool story bro

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>>11593684
>sure
>okay

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>>11593729
>figures in the op are all nft
Wanted to use one of the Beast Kingdom but figured idiots would just queen out even more.
Here - this can be an OP image just for you.

>>11593683
I live to serve.

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One day guys. One day.

>>11593893
Lmao, total monkeys paw. Bandai is the Hasbro of the east.

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Never got my regular Azrael or BTAS Clayface!!!!

So what is everyone's overall opinion on the McFarlane line now that the entire thing is slowly coming to an end? Have your opinions changed over time or have they stayed the same?

>>11593967
No better or worse than when he started. I never liked the line, so my opinion couldn't really get any worse.

>>11593956
fuck off jin

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>>11593967
Compared to the DC Direct and DC Collectibles which make up the bulk of my pre-McFarlane DC toys, I am fully disappointed. Compared to Mattel's DC Universe Classics, with their same face male characters, particularly that one open-mouthed angry face, it would have been an improvement but then we got lipstick, side eyes, and so many other things that it felt like customers were being trolled.
The diaper was a mistake. Especially with the female figures. The reuse was worse because it was clear they would waste money on totally new tooling even when it didn't sell or wasn't reused.

Overall, I ended up owning a lot more McFarlane than I expected but I will probably unload probably a substantial amount of it once Mattel starts making things.

>>11593990
>once Mattel starts making things.
and most of them will be online and convention exclusives

>>11593967
Too little too late. We never got a good Batman buck. Knightfall and 3J/Hush had their problems.

Long limbs was a big issue. Refusal to take coomer money despite those figures always selling out.

I could go on, I won't miss it. I have about 83 McFarlane figures and not one is on display.

>>11593967
I liked it more than DCD or DCUC but that doesn't say a lot. Silly scale, uneven paint work and sculpting, some pleasant surprises in character selection but plenty of confusing oversights. We never got a Faora, which I consider to be a crime against me personally.

Mega figs were generally pretty good. I had the Bat-Doomsday, the Clayface, the Sabaac, and the fancy Darkseid, and I was pleased with all of them.

A few characters and looks I'm sure will never get made by another company so those ones are staying on the shelf forever, others are just waiting to be replaced.

My rule with 7 inch figures is to only get characters who are supposed to be unusually tall or unusually short. 7 inches is too tall for Batman or Superman, but I can imagine that Hawkman is 7 foot, or Bizarro, or Mr. Freeze.

>>11593967
I might have included my opinion as well given that I stated the question.
Having waited for the line because Essentials didn't fit my needs, I tried being patient at the beginning because accessories, sculpts, and especially the articulation wasn't what I thought it would be since I thought McFarlane would be better than Essentials. I was defending the line too, telling people that they should wait maybe a year to sort out issues with the help of feedback from fans. Overtime, I was more and more annoyed by Todd not listening to fans' reactions and basically fucking over everyone 95% of the time
>not improving articulation
>shitty or no accessories at all while increasing prices
Won't get into other topics like the different sub-lines but the above two topics not properly improving was the thing that pisses me off to this day. The only thing I'm happy about is that I can finally complete my JL team when I get the new Wonder Woman but McFarlane as a company with their predatory practices can go suck a dick

>>11593990
To be fair, DC Collectibles had terrible articulation as well, despite the great sculpts.
>side eyes
I can't even imagine how dumb someone has to be to even try that out, nevermind arguing in favour of it like Todd did in the very beginning. Music, TV shows, and even movies have focus groups but it's like nobody at McFarlane bothered asking like 5-10 collectors about their opinions. There's literally toy influencers out there and McFarlane was never doing the research which would have taken them what, 2 hours tops?

>The reuse was worse because it was clear they would waste money on totally new tooling even when it didn't sell or wasn't reused.
The reuse was only bad because they never bothered to make a really decent buck with great articulation. I'll take Superman, Batman, Flash, GL, and Aquaman having literally the same body sculpt IF the figures had Spider-Man like articulation. When they reuse shitty sculpts though...

>>11593994
>Knightfall and 3J/Hush had their problems.
I have 3J black and yellow Batman and I'm going to be switching to No Man's Land (Knightfall buck) Batman. I think Knightfall is the only Batman buck that is remotely good

>Refusal to take coomer money despite those figures always selling out
I did understand the "female figures don't sell" argument Todd was trying to make in the beginning but the moment Wonder Woman sold out, the data was only related to non-important characters or versions of characters (Mohawk Wondy) nobody wanted to begin with. Power Girl and Hawkgirl are only proving this point

>>11593996
>We never got a Faora, which I consider to be a crime against me personally.
We never got a Zod either so go figure. Hell, they didn't even bother rereleasing the only proper single Wonder Woman so there was nothing to be expected either way

>>11594017
>There's literally toy influencers out there a
What

Recently started trying to collect various figures of my favorite adaptions of the Batman villains, i got a DeVito Penguin figure and a Heath Joker, do they have any figures of the Arkham City Mr. Freeze and Asylum Nurse Harleys? is there a wiki page for figures for each character by any chance?

>>11594028
What are you not understanding? What he said is literally true. There are influencers both on Youtube and Instagram who review figures on a daily basis who would gladly help working on improving figures for companies, even at zero cost.

>>11594045
>at zero cost
You can't be this naive. No one works for free.

Did Todd ever do a complete JSA?

>>11594045
>even at zero cost.
Pffft... even if they trash the figures in the video you can be sure they're glad to get them free of charge from the company. THAT'S how they get paid.

>>11594045
>no bones about it, toy influencers are the very best of the fandom and sothe best work as Michael French of retro blasting once put it

>>11594071
I think you could put together a team, hes been pretty good about the older characters. Wildcat looks crummy imo so theres that. I think you could do teen titans, the jla is another team, the bat family is another team thats close to being complete as well.
Im going off of memory so if im wrong then im sorry.

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>>11594017
>had terrible articulation
In some cases, yes - and there's some I won't ever sell, but others I'm happy to part with and let someone else take them off my hands, because I know I'll be able to unload them and at least recover my expenses.

>shitty sculpts
I'm fine with the thin body, for example, and think it works well, on the Project S Supes, FS Jon Kent, and Wally (and I'm sure for characters I never considered, it also works), but it was a mistake to use those arms and the new sculpt for the legs they used for John Constantine and Todd's own pointless self-glorification figure and to release that as the Teen TItans tee-shirted version of Superboy. PICREL is the same character made with Frankensteined McFarlane parts two years and posted I forget where.

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got 14 more months of mcfarlane multiverse, buckle up baby

>>11594223
It seems like it keeps getting extended. Before it was until mid-2026. Why won't it just stop?

>>11594021
>I think Knightfall is the only Batman buck that is remotely good
My only real gripe is the knees and the legs being too long. If he just had regular knees like Alan Scott and the legs weren't long as hell I'd have been plenty happy.

>Power Girl and Hawkgirl are only proving this point

Not enough booba and is Hawkgirl supposed to be 7ft tall? Her scale is the only reason I skipped her.

>>11594284
>My only real gripe is the knees and the legs being too long.
nta really bugged me how Todd would distort proportions to get to 7 inch.

>>11593967
The line used to be great fun, easy to get, low priced, crazy detailed sculpts, tons of new molds and insane designs. Then it began to shift but was still OK around 2022. Then by 2023 it started getting harder to get some figures. More of it turned into ugly, spandex-heavy 1970s and 80s designs. Then by 2024-2025 it reached its final, disgusting form where most figures were reuse, often improper reuse with details that did not match the source--sculpted boots or zippers where there should be none and other details that should be there were totally missing--and even fewer figures were worth getting.

>>11594297
>spandex-heavy 1970s and 80s designs.
Which wouldn't have been as much of a problem if they didn't have like sculpted boot cuts and stuff.

>itt zoomers don't know why certain looks for characters are considered iconic and used for 99% of these characters appearances
There's a reason no one cares about Death Metal designs and that's because they're terrible. Marvel Rivals slop is just as bad imo, and it's clearly the same faggots pushing both design philosophies.

>>11594293
It's funny because there's figures where I'd take the legs off, put on some Legends legs and it would fit perfectly in 6in scale lol

>>11594311
I'd say the Rivals stuff is coomers shocked Disney is putting anything like that out and general zoomer faggotry

>>11594311
Read the comment directly above you.

>>11593991
Online exclusives aren't an issue if they take longer than 24 hrs to sell out

>>11593967
I first starting buying them when parallax and azrael came out and my opinions on the figures are pretty consistent with what i thought then, just meh. Not awful but not great, only now the prices are higher and the value is lower than what legends usually offers.
The main draw for me is a chance to get figures of characters most people wouldnt bother with even though the bodies, sorry i dont use bucks, are clearly just repaints with a new head. So thats lame af, and i collect motu origins so parts re use is very very much something im ok with. I have a generally negative view of mcfarlane toys over all now, which i didnt have when i first got into multiverse, mainly due to just getting sick of todds buisness practices with the line. Im really thinking of getting back into classified once my next pre orders get fufilled since 1- the future releases teased so far arent important to me aside from one or three figures and 2- im just sick of mcfarlane toys bullshit when it comes to availabilty and 3- prices for these figures just dont add up for me. Why spend $25+ on a few new parts and figures that come with less compared to other lines which also happen to be much easier to buy?
Im sure ill get some of the image figures but right now im not a fan of mcfarlane but i am a fan of getting figures of clock king or captain carrot, firestorm even max mercury so i keep on coming back.

>>11594021
There was a Zod

>>11594311
There's no joy in toys for you, just exact slavish adherence to old looks that even the comics update now and then. Batman doesn't still look like he did in Jim Aparo's 70s and 80s art--not that his art was bad at all mind you. It was quite good.

>>11594331
>You aren't experiencing joy unless you're buying designs that you don't like
Why are so many of you so mentally defective? Genuinely. You're allow to like whatever design you want, regardless of how terrible it objectively is, but trying to push your incredibly niche tastes onto everyone else is gay.

>>11594343
We can see what designs bring joy by what designs kids like, and they enjoy ridiculous inaccurate designs like 80s-90s tmnt that didn't look like the cartoon, and legends of the dark knight over the top sculpts that didn't slavishly adhere to the comic looks. There is joy in absurdity, there is joy in Death Metal. You dislike change, but if you were in touch with your inner child you would be able to find interest and fascination in designs that buck the norms of what the character has looked like. The more malleable the mind the more likely it will see a wild design for a figure like Death Metal Batman or WW and see the fun and whimsy in their creativity

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>>11594343
I think a lot of it has to do with the perception of the company. Nacelle is doing navy versions of the bridge officers before they release the iconic starfleet versions and everyone's hyped for it because we know we'll get to the good stuff eventually.
La Forge comes with a giant holodeck arch you'll be able to use with any other figures from the line or other lines so he's a must-buy even if you aren't trying to collect the navy uniforms.
Meanwhile Todd slowly feeds out teams like Legion and the JSA without a clear picture or promise of the team being finished. Plus they're all limited collector's editions you have to hunt for, so the entire process of buying a McFarlane is a frustrating experience that people are burnt out on.
Fuck Todd, fuck his toy company, fuck anything they try to do to make customers happy. They crossed the line with the Elite editions and NFT shit and there's no going back from repeatedly saying "fuck you" to your customers. Any good will people had for McFarlane Toys has been pissed away so the default response to any news or announcements will be met with an equally dismissive "fuck you" from collectors.


>>11594071
Not a good one.

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>>11594366
Yeah I am not in favor of Todd's business practices at all even if I like some of the early figures he produced in DCMV. He had good will from me in the first years of DCMV, but by now that is all spent with all the nonsense that has been done since. The forced hunting, the scalper-bait figures, the refusal to reissue figures to cater to speculators rather than people who enjoy toys, the price increases, creating new sublines just so he can raise the price, reducing accessories on a subline that was supposed to be about giving more accessories in change for a higher price, and on and on.

>>11594375
*in exchange

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>>11594375
Yeah I was in Todd's camp for a while. I remember us watching Comic Book Greats when I went to Kubert's and all of us laughing at his accent and how he tells Stan Lee that "kids think chains are cool." Even though we'd dunk on him we all still respected him for creating his own characters, starting his own company, and even through bankruptcy he kept fighting. I want to like Todd and consider him one of the most iconic comic creators in the history of the industry, but man the last few years his company has become so predatory. It's a deliberate focus on exploiting the customers that've supported him through the years.
Nacelle is banging out $30 figures with tons of accessories and no unnecessary drama with artificial scarcity or variants. All of Todd's lies and excuses for price gouging don't hold up when there's another company in his exact same position who aren't hiking prices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leydL0NjFSs

>>11594383
Only thing I'm leery about is that these are renders. It looks good, but final production samples needed to verify.

What are you hoping for (and, separately, expecting) from the next era of Mattel DC?

I'd like it to be at least Marvel Legends quality but I'm resigned to it probably not being any better than DC Multiverse or whatever the fuck it was called at the end.

>>11594375
>that image
What's with the death of "before on left, after on right"? Is it filthy ESLs?

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>>11594396
They've shared a couple of the physical figures with prototype painting at conventions and they look alright. I don't mind repainting faces so I'm mostly looking at sculpt quality and accessories, and so far this line is really promising.
The release dates getting pushed back is concerning but maybe they're just sorting out quality control issues. Their other figure lines look okay enough.

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>>11594404
I grabbed the image of Dark Archer first...so it went on the left. Sorry for triggering your autism, anon.

>>11594439
>Sorry for triggering your autism, anon.
Apology accepted. I've been noticing a lot and it's weird.

>Not really. And he should never have made figures that needed a blank buck. McFarlanes should be about artistry and detailed sculpt, not a flat human body figure made 30 times.
I still stay Legends had it right in that they had many different bucks that you could just slap stuff on top of. You need that kinda automation for a line as huge as Marvel or DC. Todd bit off more than he could chew with the custom sculpts.

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>>11594223
mr.bones i want off this wild ride

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Todd convinced WB and Mattel to let him continue DC Multiverse until the end of 2026.

>>11594464
settle down, okay?

>>11594490
Todd McFarlane convinced WB and Mattel to let him torture us for another 6 months.

Great

Stunning news

Beautiful

>>11594490
How many more red platinums is he making less than a thousand of in his Chinese factories?

>>11594411
the classic jarrett flight pose

>>11594490
I thought mcfarlane only had it till next summer, why won't this nightmare end?

>>11594546
He probably has a bunch of figure prototypes using recycled molds he showed WB and they're letting him make them, or he's working with the FBI to keep ordering shipments so they can track the pirates who stole that trailer.

>>11594552
The what now?

>>11594546
Either the license always went to the end of 2026 and everyone who thought it was June 2026 was mistaken, or Mattel is slow and couldn't project they could get figures needed for the last half of 2026 and so Todd is taking that on. These are the only plausible scenarios.

>>11594556
Pirates stole his trailer full of Killing Joke Jokers a few months ago and the last official comment was that they're working with the feds to find out how it went missing.
McFarlane Toys offices were closed for a while while they were under investigation.
It could be that they're being allowed to release waves of bullshit to bait pirates so law enforcement can track them down.

>>11594571
What would pirates want with action figures? To be quite racist, it's not even Black Panther or anything like that.

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>>11594573
Somali pirates hold hostages and shipments hostage all the time. There are pirate islands where you can invest in different crews, like betting on your favorite ship scoring a big haul. You're right, it doesn't make sense that they'd think they would get a ransom for a bunch of toys.
The piracy was just an excuse.
At the same time, the co-founder of McFarlane Toys purchased GameStop Canada, who didn't lose their shipment of Killing Joke Jokers.
The trailer went missing to spike the value of the figures being sold through GameStop Canada.
However, the feds know Todd orchestrated the first heist so they're blackmailing him into releasing DC figures to bait real pirates.

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>>11594546
I think Todd got his lawyers involved, because he kept saying he was in active discussion to try and hold onto as much of the license as possible. He also holds licenses for other WB properties, and there's currently some DC crossover that involves Mortal Kombat and Todd has the license to Mortal Kombat.

>>11594598
One more thing, I think Todd owns or runs DC Direct on top of things, which may make things trickier to remove Todd.

>>11594562
This seems most likely.

>>11594598
Not about lawyers so much as trying to make a deal if he can have some part of the license despite Mattel having the master license. DC Direct was also absorbed by McFarlane, so unless that goes to Mattel too or entirely dissolves as an entity, it feels like it would make sense if Todd were to be able to make certain kinds of products.

>>11594598
>because he kept saying he was in active discussion to try and hold onto as much of the license as possible.
Can they do that? I mean, contracts and stuff, right?

>>11594598
holy shit there's a game where I can play as vampirella?

>>11594608
Negotiating for a piece of the pie. Imagine what the original DC Direct along with Mattel, or DST with Marvel Select along with Hasbro. Overlapping the license in a non intrusive way (not both making 7" figures, for example) where both can make product.

>>11594610
No, it's for a comics event (DC KO).

>>11594293
>nta really bugged me how Todd would distort proportions to get to 7 inch.
thats not how sculpting or designing toys works.

>>11594618
Which is even more aggravating that Todd took that approach.

Can you imagine how many more $35 figures Todd can sell you in 14 months?

>>11594490
>Todd convinced WB and Mattel to let him continue
He literally said in this interview that his contract was until the end of 2026, meaning that's how its always been, he didn't extend anything.

A few of the toy news sites have queries out to both Todd and Mattel, hopefully somebody clarifies soon.

It's entirely possible that nothing ever changed for McFarlane, but Mattel started off by being dicks just before ToyFair with their announcement cutting Todd off at the knees with buyers (for stores, not you individual nitwits). Mattel could potentially show off product next year with preorder dates a year away just to fuck with Todd.

Hell, NECA has been showing off Sesame Street figures like Big Bird all year long and only now have release dates of q2 2026. It's not unheard of to show shit off way too far in advance. Trick Or Treat Studios has done the same.

>>11594658
Less than he did this year, unless he somehow does more Batman 1989 to Batman & Robin movie figures.

Does anyone really buy these outside of very few hardcore fans? Aside from the real knock-out releases like Silver Age Superman & SA Joker, I always see everything pegwarming, and I see so many of his "chase" figures.

>>11594676
He has enough time to trump card out a Batman 89 wave

>>11594676
IRL? I never really see any McFarlane figures stocked anymore besides Marvel statues in electronics and occasionally 1 CE or so.
I never see any of the chases besides 1 Cowardly Lot Batman one time.

On the internet? Everything remotely desirable sells out. All the duds digitally pegwarm.

>>11594673
Somewhere, someone said Supergirl movie was his last wave

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>>11594658
Black Condor is the first figure of the version of Freedom Fighters no one wants. Earth X is being used in the Peacemaker show, where the old Freedom Fighters were always fighting against the Nazis who won WW2.
He's going to make the version of Phantom Lady no one wants. It's the version with the least skimpy costume and the version DC owns the rights to 100%.
Fuck.

>>11594696
Then don't buy it. If Todd makes figures I think are lazy or aren't the look I want, I just don't buy them.

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>>11594706
It's a long shot he'll even make a Phantom Lady anyway.

>>11594717
go prompt a 3d model to print or something you fucking faggot

>>11594490
Okay I’ll just commit to imports then.

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>>11594658
Just wait until you see how much Neca has shot up. They now want over $40 for toys that were $28 before. They even started reissuing figures with cost reduced paint apps, removing paint washes from figures.

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>>11594742
I already did that, and printed a miniature Washington DC. I color matched the rooftops to the ones on google maps.

>>11594792
It's time to be content with the collections we have amassed. No need for more at these prices.

>>11594825
ok, now fuck off forever your ai will eternally baby sit you

>>11594825
An action figure from McFarlane will never live up to that statue anyway.

>>11593657
When is Mattel going to start showing the line anyway?

>>11594792
>posting article from six years ago like that means anything
Given the administrations we've suffered under, plus all the inflation, what are you surprised about? You know food doesn't cost the same as it did six years ago either!

ok so if there’s still over a year left of Toddslop can I get Watchmen

>>11594865
>posting article from six years ago like that means anything
it's just a source for the price they mentioned, dumbass.

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>>11594552
Silly Jarrett
Tricks are for attention hoes.

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>>11594693
>never really see McFarlane figures stocked anymore

>>11594891
It's not a good source dumbass

>>11594696
Black Condor is getting made because he's JLI. For some insane reason, Todd seems to be a huge fucking fan of the Dan Jurgens' JLI team, in particular the post Death of Superman roster which was Wonder Woman, Guy Gardner, Agent Liberty, Black Condor 2, and Ray 2

>>11595050
I haven't seen the shorts in ages but did that Superman always squint like that?

>>11594922
>Your anecdote trumps my anecdote

>>11595010
Todd is not the one making the figure character choices.

>>11594860
Probably not any time soon

>>11595010
I like how you think Todd gets to decide what to make. That's not how it works.

>>11594860
Didn't they just ask for an extension and that's why Todd has DC for a little while longer? They don't have their shit together. That doesn't bode well for future DC stuff.

>>11595159
No one yet knows why it used to be mid-2026 and is now the end of 2026, or if that is even still the case and maybe Todd just misspoke.

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Does Extant obsessed anon approve of this sculpt? I don't. Looks like he's wearing a wool knitted sweater and the knee cut outs are horrific.

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But it's far, far better than this creature. This is, I think, the ugliest DC figure McFarlane Toys has made.

https://toynewsi.com/14-60267
Here is an article about multiverse and its extension for lack of a better word.

>>11595222
This comes down to: Which do you trust more: a corporate press release or Todd's addled mind? It's a very tough call.

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>>11595152
>anecdote
>your vs. my

>not understanding word meanings

>>11595245
Anecdotal evidence

>>11595002
>dated article from news website featuring price isn't a good source
dumbass

>>11595177
mid-2026 was just an assumption. nobody officially stated that. many such cases here.

>>11595343
Mattel literally said it: "Mattel is awarded the global licensing rights to develop and market a full range of DC-themed action figures, playsets, accessories, role play products, and adult collectibles starting in the second half of 2026."

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>>11595353
playsets? for six inch scale?

>>11595413
Todd made a Joker movie playset for 7"

>>11595422
Yes but anything Joker is cringe and it was $250 with a bunch of crap I don't care about, and it was made out of cardboard.

>>11595245
Blunt smoking batman?

>>11595430
True but thus it is possible to make 6" playsets. Todd also made those playsets for Batman 66, remember?

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>>11595446
Yeah nah, I'm not interested in Todd's cardboard. I grew up with a mansion that could fold out into a batcave and it wasn't made out of paper.

>>11595452
Mattel will make ______

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>>11595463
The promise of them making anything is interesting. Imaginext makes plenty of sets for Oa, Gotham, Metropolis, and there are places like the Hall of Justice, the Watchtower, Luthorcorp, generic villain labs, the Batcave, Arkham, Themyscira, Titans Tower, etc.
You could even branch out into dolls. There's a Harry Potter herbology set I wanted that inspired a Daily Planet dio. I'm still thinking about picking it up when it goes on clearance. Solid plastic.
Todd's so far released a handful of normal rooms with cardboard walls. Even his Helm's Deep for that LotR anime was made out of cardboard and didn't scale with either the figures he made or the 28mm miniatures game people would buy something like a giant castle to play with. Wild, since Spawn Alley is one of the coolest sets McFarlane Toys ever released.

>>11595353
sounds like that's when they can start working on it and soliciting them to retailers

>>11595518
They have already started working on the line.

1. In order to bid they had to have a pitch with designs.
2. Large toy companies like Mattel need a year or more to go through the process from initial concept of a figure to production.

>>11595522
that doesn't mean that the license ends mid-2026 though. it wouldn't make sense to anyway, since when do these ever go for anything less than an entire year? pretty sure we didn't see any mcfarlane dc product until it hit the shelves or was just about to.

>>11595342
You are a dumbass, correct

>>11595539
Mattel stating "Mattel is awarded the global licensing rights to develop and market a full range of DC-themed action figures, playsets, accessories, role play products, and adult collectibles starting in the second half of 2026."
sounds like their license begins in the second half of 2026, which people inferred to mean Todd's and Spinmaster's ends after the first half of 2026. Master Licenses don't usually overlap.

Also, licenses can start and end at whatever times that WB/DC make the contract for. It doesn't have to be January 1, 2026 to December 31, 2029, etc. Also many corporate financial years don't begin and end at that time either.

As far as that statement, one company has the license that means they are putting up preorders and releasing figures. So either Mattel's wording is weaselly and intended to fool the average consumer into thinking Todd is losing the license earlier than he is, or Todd is incorrect about still having it til the end of 2026. Eventually we will know the truth.

>>11595562
Obviously the problem is Todd's lies, like it always is.

>>11595564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLyDb6niA

>>11595413
That doesn't mean that they're going to make them, just that they're the only ones who legally can.

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>>11595578
It's the main part of their announcement we should all be excited for. We know their figures will look like He-Man bullshit but if Mattel starts making DC playsets or diorama enhancers like their Masters of the Universe sets... that could be interesting.

>>11595583
Mattel most likely won't make anything that detailed for DC. He-Man is Mattel's baby, after all. Just like how Todd always does better with Spawn stuff.

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>>11595592
Why do you keep trying to make this conversation about what Todd is doing? We could be talking about how cool an Oa or Batcave set would be but you keep wanting to debate stupid shit.
Todd hasn't made any appealing sets in years, while Mattel just crowdfunded this big fucking snake castle thing for $300. Not only can they make plastic sets but they aren't confined by what they have to sell on shelves and make dope shit through their crowdfund campaigns.

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>>11595353
>>11595413
It means they keep the Imagine Next license/market they already have plus any playsets Spin Master was allowed to do for their portion of the DC license, which was a few.

Jeez Louise, you people toss around words like retard and make the least effort imaginable to not come across like total actual imbeciles.

>>11595601
I'm talking about what is currently happening. You're talking about hopes and dreams. Did you not even read my post? Mattel fucking OWNS He-Man, it stands to reason that that will ALWAYS be their first priority. They don’t pay licensing fees or share revenue with anyone else. Compare that to Batman (owned by DC/Warner Bros.). Mattel has to license it and share profits. Owning He-Man also means Mattel can do whatever they want with it. Not what some board of suits tells them to make, like some Death Metal flavor of the month shit or whatever movie is coming next.

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Would you rather have a giant Batcave set or smaller pieces that can link together to create a giant cave?

>>11595642
Modular

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>>11595452
I see a lot of people dunking on these ones now for some reason, guess it overstayed its welcome.

for me the only time i like playsets are when their small and manageable

>>11595664
I don't understand how the market thought we liked 6-7 inch scale. Too many people are shoving figures in detolf cases and collectors just staring at them.

Stuff like micromachines and miniplaysets were small enough to enjoy and had play value.

>>11595687
They still make tiny stuff for kids to play with nowadays. That Star Wars ship thing. And Minecraft. And I just saw a Jurassic World Polly Pocket type of thing on Amazon.

>>11595687
Kids aren't playing with 6-7 inch stuff. Those are for "collectors". Kids are playing with like 4 inch and under stuff.

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>>11595664
Oh hell yeah, your parents didn't love you if you didn't have these. I'd still buy them if the collapsed versions could be used as a backdrop for bigger figures.

>>11595691
>Kids aren't playing with 6-7 inch stuff.
Except for the fact that they are, you autistic sperg.

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>>11595694
>anon is camping in the bushes watching kids again
>"I just want to see what toys they're playing with"
What kind of discussion are you even trying to have right now?

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>>11595694
>t.

>>11595222
I really like how people are wondering over this shit, when literary both McFarlane and Mattel are correct, because Mattel works through corporate speak and McFarlane speaks in common english.

When a company like Mattel says their products are going to be available in the second half of 2026, that literally can mean their products will be on shelves in December 29, 2026, because that's how companies have always talked about their products.
Mattel is not just making those press releases for consumers, they're mainly for SHAREHOLDERS, where they're purposely vague about that sort of shit to drum up hype with investors. IF MAttel gave any specific dates, it would worry shareholders if they're not met OR they could panic, knowing that Mattel wouldn't be selling toys during the busy Christmas season.
PLUS, Mattel is also announcing shit to retailers/distributors, and they'll be making orders way ahead of time. So that's their 6 months warning to get their orders in on time.

>>11595694
Show me some evidence.
>https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-action-figures-market-report
>https://www.theresearchinsights.com/reports/u-s-action-figures-market-976?
Given that many premium lines in that size are clearly marketed toward collectors and many reports indicate adults are a high proportion of purchasers in the overall action figure market there is good inferential support for the idea that a substantial share of 6‑7 inch action figures are for adults not children. What is a kid more likely to buy for themselves, a 6 inch Marvel Legends character they've never heard of before or even a $50 Neca or a cheap 4 inch Sonic figure?

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We’re so back

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>>11595693
Youd think hotwheels would constantly pump batman/gotham sets out since most people seem to be going just for the batmobiles these days

they cant pull the "we cant use batman himself" card anymore cause theyve done that multiple times now

>>11595696
>>11595702
Not that anon but its not far fetch to just see kids in a toy store or department store. Maybe stop ordering online all the time and get out of your house once in awhile.

>>11595706
back in funko hell

>>11595706
>2022
back to the past baby

>>11595709
Toy section is not necessarily the action figure aisle. And when they are there do you really think they're looking at like $50 Neca horror movie characters?

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Cool.

OH, forgot about the whole "re‑releases of vintage figures with modern articulation and 'retro' versions of newer characters" thing. What kid is going to be interested in that?

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>>11595720
yo this neural claw batman is viben busin fr fr
aura maxxed

>>11595717
>Toy section is not necessarily the action figure aisle.
And? They still browse or play with them.
>looking at like $50 Neca horror movie
I dont know about neca but i can still see parents buying their kids marvel legends or mcfarlenes from time to time.

>>11595739
>And? They still browse or play with them.
Is that what you do to the kids anon?

>>11595744
I accept your concession.

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>>11595718
Use a hair dryer or run it under hot water for a second to soften it up and straighten it out. This is standard protocol for all weapons.

>>11595739
>I dont know about neca but i can still see parents buying their kids marvel legends or mcfarlenes from time to time.
Which ones though? The Spidermen and Batmen or the Sleepwalkers and Grifters?

>>11595747
Do you need to clean your lens or was that intentional?

>>11595762
Both. I want it to feel like looking through gas mask goggles.

>>11595761
I dont know, I dont pay them that much attention.

>>11595696
>>11595702
>>11595705
>Show me some evidence.
Maybe if you were capable of getting laid and having kids you'd grasp what they are in to. But no, you faggots probably think Gen X is the primary market for the 6" Fortnite figures. And the kids look at the 6-7" figures in the aisles and say "nooooo they're too heckin' big!" You fucking retards are just insane.

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>be me as a child during peak imaginative play sessions era
>scale, articulation, and size didn't matter
>come here to discuss toys
>some anons had weird scale obsessed childhoods and think little people play with little toys or something
Did your parents make you keep your toys mint in box or something? It's so weird how equally obsessed you are with children and angry about toys.

>>11595781
Anon, Gen X isn’t the primary market because Fortnite and its merchandise are made for younger generations more deeply connected to the game’s culture and style, mainly Millennials and Gen Z. Using a single example to refute is not great. Possible straw man and false dichotomy as well. And lets be honest, how long did the line actually last? Like 3 years?

>>11595794
>>Kids aren't playing with 6-7 inch stuff.
>N.n.noooo you can't cite just ONE!
Kids are also playing with ML, SW and DC, stupid. Why the fuck do you need me to prove to you the equivalent of water is wet? Fortnite is literally the best example that kids are playing with this scale, and claiming they don't play with any 6-7" scale means you're at least obeying the restraining order. Jesus Christ the insane arguments you retards make and defend to your last breath is just fucking stupid. Its not like the kids have a fucking wealth of different scales today. Thank GOD you tards aren't having kids!

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If this was 9 inch and was sold by itself (under $20), I'd consider it.
Even with Target's $10 off toys over $40, it's not worth being stuck with some $30+ worth of Sonic crap I neither want to own or want to waste the time selling.

>>11595562
>Mattel stating "Mattel is awarded the global licensing rights to develop and market a full range of DC-themed action figures, playsets, accessories, role play products, and adult collectibles starting in the second half of 2026."
>sounds like their license begins in the second half of 2026, which people inferred to mean Todd's and Spinmaster's ends after the first half of 2026. Master Licenses don't usually overlap.
"develop and market" doesn't mean the previous license ends. it means they can... develop the product and market it to retailers. it's not like they can possibly wait until the license ends to try to sell it target and walmart. again, we didn't see mcfarlane dc product as consumers until it was time for it to hit shelves.

>>11595790
when i was a kid and collecting total justice, i absolutely cared about scale, articulation, and size. then again, i was also reading toyfare and wizard when i was like, 8.

>>11595705
These sites say that 25% of toy buyers are 18+, but some retards think this means that the majority of DC/ML figures are bought by adults?
What kind of retard math is this?

Nevermind those reports are also talking about COLLECTOR figures, which is vastly more for adults than the 6"/7" CHILDREN action figures found in the CHILDRENS toy aisles in Walmart/Target, so the % would be even less for MLs/DC Multiverse.

>>11595888
did you forget that multiverse is sold outside the toy aisle

>>11595592
Did you see Reaper and Disruptor? I wouldn't say that those were done better or well at all

>>11595859
They are already developing the line now. And there will not be another announcement saying "starting in 2027 we can sell dc figures". When you get the license you get the license to sell, and they are saying they get it in the 2nd half of 2026

>>11595781
My girls play with plushies and my nephews prefer Motu origins and marvel mix mashers. I think kids prefer bulkier more durable toys and don’t care about scale

Why do you pedos even care what toys kids like anyway? You're not a kid, the primary toyline discussed here isn't really for kids. You guys are too concerned about what literal children enjoy while the market for them is completely different than the market for adult collectors. There is some overlap sure, but your average kid isn't getting a $26 Multiverse figure for his birthday.

>>11595806
I like how you ignored how that particular line didn't last very long. As if no one was buying it. While Fornite 4 inch stuff has been around for like 7 years. Thus proving my point that 4 inch is more popular with kids. See, I can do that too. If kids are playing with 6 inch stuff, why don't they ONLY make stuff in that scale? I mean, they're the biggest target audience, right? Not Millennials who view it as nostalgic collectibles.

>>11595790
I cared about that stuff. I loved B: TAS and it always bugged me how the figures were kinda crappy in terms of articulation. I would glady take the Todd stuff over the Kenner, even though the Todd stuff has a ton of problems.

>>11596013
At least the Disruptor has a detailed sculpt with paint and dry brushing that actually brings it out.

>>11596041
Someone on here is trying to say something that is just not true. It's not about the kids, it's about attacking an anon.

>>11596032
Dude, go play with your kids instead of lurking here

>>11596041
Because most people here are insane maniacs who will argue just for the sake of it. Literally worse than any Thai woman out there, fucking hell.
>but your average kid isn't getting a $26 Multiverse figure for his birthday
How so? I feel like some of the McFarlane figures could very well be interesting to kids but I will say that a colourful Spinmaster figure is way more interesting.
Nonetheless, I'm happy as long as kids are still interested in any type of toys instead of constantly being on their shitty-ass tablets and phones

>>11596077
>be a Thai woman
Dude...

>>11596077
>I'm happy as long as kids are still interested in any type of toys
This. You guys may not like Mutant Mayhem or Death Metal whatever for instance but it's keeping the franchise alive.

>>11595747
I know, but youd expect some sort of packaging qc. Especially given just how gummy the accessories are with mcfarlanes in multiverse. But i got the damn figure so im not gonna cry over a warped gas gun.

>>11596084
I just finished watching Mutant Mayhem with one of my little brothers the other day and it was actually a great take on the Turtles. It kept the basic premise but made just the right changes in order to feel interesting. Also enjoyed the overall style and even the jokes. Probably my second favourite nu-Turtles material after the 2003 show
As for Death Metal, I really can't tell whether people are actually interested or whether it's just DC pushing the license for no reason since I don't know a single person who liked the comics. I still hope it's people having genuine interest

>>11596077
>How so?
Pricing. Parents aren't paying over $20 for a single action figure that little Timmy will either misplace, break, or lose interest in. Any single action figure more than $15 is targeted towards manchildren and not actual children.

>>11596084
>Death Metal
>keeping DC alive
the cognitive dissonance in this thread is un fucking real. I refuse to believe you actually think this.

>>11596104
Good point but given that a lot of other toys are hella expensive, I wouldn't necessarily say that a 20 dollar price point is a no-go. A few months ago, I went to Smyths with my aunt and my 5 year old cousin to get him some toys. He was interested in some shitty Minecraft Legos which cost around 20€ and those things were small as hell. Most action figures were 15-30€ while even basic Pokemon toys ranged from 15-25€. I don't think parents nowadays are able to find that many action figures for less than 20 bucks

>>11596106
Ok, maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration but it did do pretty well in retail orders. #1 had strong presales and #4 in particular. It wasn’t just the main miniseries either. There were a bunch of tie in books, one shots and related storylines. If the event wasn't popular they wouldn't of made so may tie ins and crossovers. It definetly had fans. Thinking it didn't is the real cognitive dissonance.

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>>11596117
You could say the same thing about New52 but for most of us it was the event that made us stop wanting to buy DC comics. Focusing on abstract mini events that diminish the brand is not a successful long-term strategy.

>>11596120
Nta but the material being shit doesn't mean it doesn't keep a company afloat, especially if the company has nothing better to offer. The real question is why fans put up with most of the shit and still buy the products when they're dissatisfied with them. Just look around you, McFarlane is the best example for this. Mediocre to okayish figures and people still continue buying them

>>11596113
Kids largely don't collect action figures anymore. Mostly they get plopped in front of a tablet they got for Christmas and thats it

>>11596040
My sisters (when we were kids) played with Barbie's. One of them played with GI Joes and some other figures (even though they didn't scale) but she's also the one who problem doms my brother in law and she liked other male toys because "Ken was boring."

My nieces also like to play with Barbies but they all like superhero toys, partially due to cartoons like DCSHGs, and because I've been buying all the nieces and nephews DC stuff since they were 1 year old. But when they were younger (still in elementary school), they played with the hard plastic that barely articulated, whether it was superheroes or dolls.

>>11596117
Death Metal didn't do any better than say Future's End and it also cratered a lot of titles that were doing well to okay during Rebirth. Until Absolute hit, DC hadn't had several non-Bat books hit in or over the 100K range during and post both Metal events. Superman Unchained hit 100K for all 9 issues. That special run Hitch did on Justice League hit or were near 100K for all of it's 9 issues except for the Martian Manhunter fill in. Other things also did well over norm. Metal sucked all the oxygen out except for the hardcore crowd.

Go to a Barnes and Noble or any similar place that sells comics to normies, and you won't see them displaying Metal as if people were going to these stores to buy that junk today. Yet, they are still selling garbage like Johns Justice League and Aquaman from New 52 and loads of those Rebirth Omnibus collections, along with the new DC Finest and Compact Editions.

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>>11596122
>The real question is why fans put up with most of the shit and still buy the products when they're dissatisfied with them.
A curious point to make, since you're only proving mine. Nobody cares about DC's events anymore, nobody cares about figures from DC's events anymore, and retailers are shrinking the space they used to reserve for DC Multiverse figures.
Shrugging and going, "Well something is better than nothing" is how we got to this point. We're seeing the result of strategies DC started spamming when New52 died, when they stopped publicly reporting sales numbers, and when they realized the only thing keeping them on life support is gimmick events.
Now we're in the realm of DC being a boomer franchise only middle-aged collectors care about and prices are being adjusted accordingly. We're Star Wars and Indiana Jones now.

>>11596122
>Mediocre to okayish figures

Really? The range is more like terrible >>11595212
to OK >>11595050
figures. Yet people will actually pay for the terrible figures just because they are some character they like. It's really weird. Even if it looks terrible. It's like the people who bought Toybiz Rogue back in the day because there was no other choice, despite the face being nightmare fuel.

That said, it's hard to tell how much is selling just because Todd's production runs are now so small that the sales are probably way down from their peak.

>>11596120
>it was the event that made us stop wanting to buy DC comics.
Yeh, and I could just as easily say that the people that bought into new 52 took your place. Sorry to tell you this, anon, but you're expendable. DC or any other major corporation does not personally care about you. You're just a number. Hoping that a corporation genuinely cares about you because it feels comforting or aligns with your values or loyalty to the brand or whatever is emotional manipulation because it plays on your desire for belonging. The underlying motivation is profit not personal care. I'm not saying I'm better than you, it happens to everyone.

>Focusing on abstract mini events that diminish the brand is not a successful long-term strategy.
Which explains why DC has had so many of them, right?

>>11596130
Yeah, obviously there were a shit ton of readers who 'replaced me' that's why DC doesn't share their monthly sales anymore and why Walmart has DC Multiverse figures hidden away next to the tvs. Clearly they're thriving without people like me.

>>11596125
NTA but Death Metal is toyetic. It isn't necessarily going to sell great for a comic to comic buyers (besides those "GOTTA HAVE" variant covers scalpers love to buy up and wait to make money on.)

>>11596126
They're shrinking the space for DC figures because Todd bungled the line, to the point where Walmart got fed up and put them in electronics. That's a concrete sign that the line screwed up. Turns out catering to adult collectors doesn't sell enough to stay in the toy aisle unless you're Hasbro, or Hasbro may be paying to stay there.

If you're thinking of the comics though, Absolute lines are selling gangbusters compared to normal comics. So figures and comics right now are heading in different directions.

>>11596123
Action figures always felt rather niche-y to me, even as a kid. Maybe it's just me but I feel like there are more action figures than ever before being sold in toy stores and I see as many kids as before lurking around the stores. Granted, they're not always where the action figures are but there seems to be a demand to some extent. But yeah, totally agree on kids being put in front of tablets most of the time

>>11596125
>One of them played with GI Joes and some other figures (even though they didn't scale)
First time in 30 years I'm remembering my first and probably only scalefag thought I had as a kid. Went to a friend's house and she had Barbies while her little brother had a Captain Planet figure. I was mildly annoyed that we couldn't properly play husband and wife because Barbie was towering over Captain Planet lol

>>11596126
>since you're only proving mine. Nobody cares about DC's events anymore
But isn't that comment contradictory to what I said? You're saying nobody cares, meanwhile I'm saying I don't understand why some people still care or even fund specific comics/toys they don't like
>Shrugging and going, "Well something is better than nothing" is how we got to this point
Fully agreed but I think in this specific hobby, people not being mentally capable of voting with their wallets is the biggest issue. It's usually FOMO or scalping greed that leads to people buying lines they don't really care about
>We're Star Wars and Indiana Jones now.
I wouldn't fully agree with that because Marvel and DC movies are still trendy but it doesn't take that much for a shift to happen

>>11596127
I didn't want to come off as too bitter but ultimately, you're right. I will however take Silver Age Superman and Dr Fate as examples of good figures despite those fucks having refused to give us effect pieces for Fate

>>11595517
I just want you to know that this is an excellent image, anon.

>>11596130
>>11596133
I don't know why I never thought of this but I now wonder whether DC and Marvel would sell more comics if they had a manga-like on-going starting at issue 1 and at the same time a TV show, basically mirroring what One Piece, Naruto, and DBZ did. Way more focus on fights and storytelling instead of the boring-ass shit the big two are currently doing

>>11596138
Growing up in the late 80s to early 90s, it seemed like most kids were into action figures then. Maybe it's regional though. Somewhere around the 00s is probably when it shifted, where kids got far more interested in the internet and didn't need physical toys as much to pass the time.

>>11596146
There was definitely a huge shift around 2010 when internet via phones became a huge thing. Before that, even despite the internet, toys were still being sold moderately successfully. What I do want to point out though is that the overall quality of toys is the best we have ever seen if you don't take the materials into account. I feel like I would have lost my shit if we had had some of the toys I'm seeing in stores now

>>11596133
DC doesn't NEED an action figure line or a comic book to do well when they have so many other was to brand. Movies & TV, cartoons, video games, etc. Thinking they NEED you is major exaggerated self importance. But this happens because people wrap their self worth around the brands or franchises they support. When a company does something fans dislike (eg. Death Metal) they cope by overestimating their leverage.

>>11596144
Manga may be outselling American comics, but I doubt it's due to kids. Kids probably will be far more likely to watch the anime and ignore the manga. I don't think there's any way to bring kids back to action figures or comics. These are old mediums from the early 1900s, being supplanted by new mediums that cater more to humans with more visceral inputs like movement, music, vocals, etc. that help convey the stories better to those who don't want to bother with imagination.

>>11596149
No fucking shit I as an individual don't matter to WB or Black Rock, the point is that DC is pursing a strategy of diminishing returns.

>>11596117
I was going to type a long winded reply but >>11596125 already did it for me. It didn't sell that well, selling worse than Metal. Compare Metal's sales to Absolute, which is just as terrible, and the sales are half of what Absolute sold.

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>>11596150
>being supplanted by new mediums that cater more to humans with more visceral inputs like movement, music, vocals, etc
>cater more to humans

Am I arguing with chatgpt again? I feel like that's the only excuse for someone being unable to follow a conversation while simultaneously typing paragraphs of obvious repetitive information

>>11596133
>that's why DC doesn't share their monthly sales anymore
This is pretty classic false cause logical fallacy. Assuming that because one event followed another, the first event must have caused the second. This is a flawed form of reasoning because the sequence of events does not prove a causal link. Just because two things happen at the same time doesn’t mean one caused the other. Correlation is not causation. You're just basing your opinion on the factors you personally see.

>>11596150
But that's literally what I'm saying, focus more on TV shows and have some actual good quality when it comes to the fighting scenes. I don't know the numbers for Voltron and Invincible but both seemed to be fairly successful with younger people when their Netflix/Amazon shows came out
Comics probably also suffer because those things are expensive as fuck while offering only very little material. Having hundres of pages for a 5 dollar manga while a 30-40 page comic costs the same is insane

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Humans buy toys.
Humans like Death Metal.
Humans who publish low-selling comics aren't hiding their low sales numbers.

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>>11596148
Paint is far worse now than it used to be. Even POA in some cases like Toybiz. Toybiz just didn't know how to make humans look human while modern Hasbro largely does. McFarlane occasionally botches humans, especially when not in A poses. But Toybiz figures were far more advanced from an engineering standpoint to domestics today, just less expertly crafted, despite the high detail sculpting. They couldn't emulate a human as well, but had great articulation and posability. For giant robots or alien beasts they did great since those didn't need to look human.

>>11596157
Just because someone uses humans in the third person doesn't mean they're not a human, anon.

>>11596136
>They're shrinking the space for DC figures because Todd bungled the line, to the point where Wamart got fed up and put them in electronics. That's a concrete sign that the line screwed up.
OR it could mean category consolidation, shrinking toy aisles in general, departmental budgeting, theft, overstock issues, packaging, competition from other brands... unless you personally manage a Walmart you don't actually know, you're just guessing. I mean, NECA is in the electronics section often also. Does that mean NECA is doomed?

>>11596160
He isn't even correct. We have definitely gotten sales numbers for Absolute lines for example.

>>11596173
Of course, fellow human who enjoys human things.

>>11596144
>starting at issue 1
DC and Marvel always do this kinda renumbering stuff anyways to pull in new readers.

>>11596171
Not saying everything about modern-day toys is better but just that overall, they are better.
There definitely is a point to be made about materials (especially for robot toys) and paint being worse but articulation-wise, I don't have a single old figure that is on par with the modern-day ones. The only Toybiz figure I have is Modern Day Iron Man and he always articulated like shit. Meanwhile, Hasbro's Modular Iron Man and Deluxe War Machine have amazing articulation. Now McFarlane is a whole other topic since those fucks have zero clue how to make figures with proper articulation but companies like Jada, Bandai, and even Mattel at this point have more or less figured it out

>>11596177
NECA are collectibles, which sell lower volume than toy aisle figures. As far as I know, NECA have never been in the toy aisle as long as I've paid attention, unless a few get misplaced or it was maybe one line that appealed to kids more.

It doesn't mean NECA is "doomed" but it means they aren't selling as well as Hasbro figures, which I'm sure we all know. They're niche product with IPs like horror and such. But McFarlane having the DC license and not being able to remain in the toy aisle when he initially went for selling DCMV in the toy aisle is a sign something went wrong. It means their sales are dropping.

>>11596150
>I don't think there's any way to bring kids back to action figures or comics
Put them back in department and convenience stores where the kids are more likely to actually see them. I give Page Punchers a lot of shit but at least it's a way for kids to buy a comic.

>>11596183
Articulation doesn't matter. We all know you're just going to line them up in rows in an orange alley.

>>11596188
Action figures are still in department stores. They never left. They aren't selling like they used to and toy aisles are shrinking due to it.

>>11596178
>We have definitely gotten sales numbers for Absolute lines for example.
Because that sold well. Are you gonna show the public something that did poorly?

>>11596164
>Humans like Death Metal
They don't though Jared

>>11596178
Go find the sales numbers for Death Metal.

>>11596187
I could spin that and say they're far more likely to get stolen if they're in the toy aisle because they're so popular and scalpable.

>>11596183
The only thing that is better is the ability to emulate the human form more believably. Toybiz had far better paint work, wider range in many areas, whole areas with articulation that most companies now do not--finger articulation, swivels at the forearm, toe articulation, the works. If you want to say that their ability to emulate the human form in the sculpting is above all that, that's your perspective, but not everyone shares it.

>>11596191
I was talking about comics there, sorry.

>>11596196
Absolute is newer than Death Metal, anon. DC still does release their sales numbers, when they want to.

>>11596193
No shit, that wasn't the contention. It was that DC "doesn't release sales numbers anymore", which is untrue.

>>11596203
>when they want to
Exactly

>>11596198
Modern Target and Walmart stores have cameras everywhere, and the collectibles are not behind glass anywhere but in bad neighborhoods.

>>11596205
As if cameras do anything to stop theft. They don't stop it, they just document it. What does help is visible staff presence. Like an electronics section with it's own cashier, tags and gates.

>>11596223
I don't know about you, anon, but electronics sections at my stores are deserted, there are no "gates" and the collectibles don't have "tags" (if you mean the giant plastic things that get attached to vidya).

>>11596200
>muh Toybiz
Faggot

>>11596223
There are humans who will pick up and walk out with a $500 tv and Walmart just writes it off. They lose hundreds of dollars worth of food to people stuffing Monsters and candy into their pockets. A $30 Batman doll isn't worth hiring a security guard for the toy section.

>>11596229
The toy aisle is seen as low priority retail real estate nowadays. Stores siphon off what’s “worth more” into other departments. Moving a toy to the electronics section means it’s no longer just a toy. It's been rebranded as a valuable "collectible" in need of surveillance or status to survive.

>>11596227
>if it's true for me it must be true for everyone else

>>11596253
Yeah, that's why they keep the jewelry right next to the laptop.

>>11596262
What kinda store do you have that doesn't have electronics like that at least under glass? That's the non strawman part of this argument.

>>11596253
This is some premium level cope for why McFarlanes aren't selling like they used to, anon, and you know it.

>>11596256
The same could be said for you, anon, I don't know why your Targets and Walmarts and Targets have giant plastic tags on every collectible and gates at the electronics section like it's a prison. Have you considered looking for better stores to shop at?

>>11596181
Isn't that only the case for separate storylines like Absolute Superman or outright events? Haven't been following the big 2 for years so I really don't even know anymore

>>11596189
It genuinely feels like McFarlane is trying to have collectors do exactly that. Luckily enough, I've been able to do some semi-decent posing with my McFarlane's but it was a shitshow to watch reviews just to figure out which figures can actually pull off some basic ass flying or running poses I'd be satisfied with.

I bought two Storm Arena Street Fighter figures a few weeks back and I can't wait to unpack them because those can definitely strike some amazing fighting poses

>>11596200
>finger articulation
Definitely cool but for me personally, it was more of a nice to have
>swivels at the forearm
What would that even bring to the table when you have hand articulation?
>toe articulation
Literally a thing with modern Legends, McFarlane, and Jada figures but it is true that it was neglected by Hasbro and McFarlane for the longest time

>>11596289
Why are you assuming I have an ulterior motive? This isn't me trying to protect Todd’s honor or whatever. If people are genuinely trying to understand why things aren’t selling, other possible reasons like layout, visibility, retailer policy, whatever, that’s not them lying to themselves. Calling it cope is lazy. Cope is pretending everything’s fine. Context is trying to figure out what went wrong.

>>11596294
Nah, they do that even when it's a new creative team to lure in new readers. Happens pretty often.

>>11596295
I think you and the anon above are just talking past each other. Definitely get the point you're trying to make

>>11596297
And that's why I haven't been into the big two for years. Shit is confusing. When I want to read Superman and see +1000 as the issue number and someone is telling me there is a side line starting at 1 but in the same continuity, I immediately get annoyed and stop considering the material.
Manga is literally there to learn from and the companies don't give a single crap because they're too up their own ass to think that copying success stories might be smarter than resorting to the same old shit

>>11596294
>Definitely cool but for me personally, it was more of a nice to have
For me it would be ideal because it removes the need for most of the swaths of extra hand accessories that you have to keep track of.

>What would that even bring to the table when you have hand articulation?
For gauntleted characters it's a must. I definitely miss having it on some McFarlane Spawn figures like Raven Spawn for example as the gauntlet can't turn upwards without bending using the shoulder cut, which then disallows using the elbow articulation to move the arms up and down rather than sideways.

>Literally a thing with modern Legends, McFarlane, and Jada figures but it is true that it was neglected by Hasbro and McFarlane for the longest time
The vast majority of Hasbro Legends still do not have toe articulation and probably never will, it's only for "special" figures that they deem to add it. Meanwhile Werewolf by Night's early figure had it but the new one doesn't. Nor do Classified or Black Series for the most part. Nor do MOTU Masterverse. Jada only recently switched to add it.

>>11596298
Trying to see another point of view makes you a better debater because it lets you understand and anticipate real arguments, not just attack the ones you make up or whatever. Like citing "cope".

>>11596302
Hey, manga does it too. Look at Dragon Ball. Or Naruto.

>>11596306
>For me it would be ideal because it removes the need for most of the swaths of extra hand accessories that you have to keep track of.
Fuck, didn't even think of that. That's definitely a great point. Now I wonder how much more expensive it is to have one set of articulated hands vs. three sets of static hands

>it's only for "special" figures that they deem to add it
As usual, they'll probably include it with every figure sooner or later but refuse to do so now because they're cheapskates for the time being.
As for Jada, I think they had toe articulation in wave 2 for SF and then reverted to no toe articulation for some figures for a while until they finally included it for the newer ones. Saw an interview with Juhn today where he stated that it'll be a standard from now on which makes sense if you want to standardise processes

>>11596302
This is extremely ironic when you consider how much manga and anime took from Western comics and cartoons to begin with.

>>11596307
Anon, you should know by now that people here using "cope", "cuck", and all types of other shitty buzzwords are only trying to stir up shit instead of politely arguing with each other

>>11596308
If you're referring to the +1000 part, it's definitely not the same thing since in terms of manga, it's one continuation while with Western comics, it's 4 continuities, 10 universe reboots, and tons of other crap that changes the entire dynamic of the main characters

>>11596311
That's true. Since the 80s though, Anime and Manga have been on the fast lane in comparison to Western media though. What's a huge factor in Manga and Anime currently being superior is also the abundance of innovative storylines. Meanwhile, with the big 2, it's always the same thing when it comes to superheroes. There's only that many stories you can create about superheroes fighting universe-eating deities

>>11596313
You mean like Neon Genesis Evangelion has done? Or My Hero Academia: Vigilantes? Fullmetal Alchemist? Dragon Ball GT? Hellsing? Ghost in the Shell? Trigun? Different continuities are not just a Western thing.

>>11596316
>What's a huge factor in Manga and Anime currently being superior is also the abundance of innovative storylines.
Pretty much every shonen anyways is basically the same Dragon Ball formula. Power escalation = character growth. New enemies arrive > protagonist trains > new transformation > repeat.

>>11596313
Yes, but trolls want you to react with hostility, to sink to their level. How I engage with people reflects my values, not theirs.

>>11596295
You don't know enough about the toy industry and how retail handles it. Anyone who does will tell you when a figure line gets moved to collectibles it's because the figures aren't selling enough. The toy aisle has faster sell through expectations with higher volume of sales. Its pegs have minimum sell through rates placed on them by the retailer to justify that peg continues to be utilized for a specific product line. The collectors section does not. This information is out there if you look for it.

And if you think about it, it should make perfect sense since who makes higher production runs: Hasbro and Mattel or NECA and Super7? The companies that sell more figures can hit the sell through targets of the toy aisle, the companies that can't either aren't at retail at all or get put in the collectibles section.

>>11594825
The mini DC looks pretty neat

Todd is sick.

>>11596385
Yeah, he is pretty awesome huh.
I tell people that todd is
BAD TO THE BONE!

>>11596317
>Dragon Ball GT
Wait, that's not canon?

>>11596428
never was

>>11596406
No they found more cancer.

>>11596428
It’s more cannon to me than super. Dragon ball continuity is choose your own adventure after the cell games.

>>11596493
Ah I see you went to nycc too. That’s the rumor that was going around that everyone is respectfully not bringing up online because it has nothing to do with toys. Somber shit but Todd appeared in good spirits.

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Actually pretty decent

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What if Mattel's DC figures are 5.5" in the style of the 200x like this, with 16 POA? Would you be in or out?

>>11596556
i havent bought a he-man figure since 2004 idk
you do know were waiting a lot longer for mattel now right

>>11596561
Apparently til 2027 now. It doesn't really matter, as its only an extra 6 months

>>11596556
Honestly yes but the proportions would have to suit each character meaning no gangly monkey arms and they’d need wired capes. I’d be all in.

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>>11596556
Abso-fuckin-lutely

>>11596493
Oh shit, i honestly didnt know he had anything. I hope youre doing ok todd.
He is still
BAD 2 THA BONE tho
>>11596556
Ive been buying origins and its spin offs since it pretty much started so im ok with the amount of figures i have in the origins style.
>>11596583
Im really excited for this figure, and we finally get a decent stratos. Idk if i want this 200X he man since mattel did him and skeletor right before the snakes took over.

>>11596556
I don't like his accessory but unless it's as equally limp as Todd's hammers, I assume the say swords for Diana, or escrima sticks for Batman's minions, or whatever wouldn't look as bad as this.

But the figure looks fine to me. Ideally, we'd have more body type variety, but for say Superman and a few other Flying Brick or similar types, the buck would be fine. At least the proportions of the limbs to the torso look anatomically accurate.

>>11596542
That does look good. Which Supes is that?

>>11596154
Jesus H Fucking Christ. I can't believe I spend the day sleeping because I've come down with a fucking cold or worse (probably from spending Sunday and Monday in toys stores and toy aisles amongs all those germy kids and their parents) to see all these people on a fucking 4chan toy board trying to bullshit and lie about the direct market.
I can stick to /co if I want to wade through this nonsense.

>>11596160
Bogus BS
>>11596178
>>11596196
Single issue (floppy) sales are dead and have been dead for everybody. LCS/Direct Market stores sell Funko Pops and Magic The Gathering cards because comic books as monthly floppies are no longer enough to stay in business.
Y'all are wasting bandwidth arguing about the stupidest shit - which based on the daisy chain conversation y'all are engaged in, really has no point on a toy board.

>>11596869
Mafex Hush Superman.

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please Todd

>>11596869
Why are your panties in a bunch? Are you implying Death Metal sold well or something?

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The Jaxx Pacific Superman was definitely worth the $14.99 (with the current $5 off promo) I paid for it, no issues with pieces falling off or anything like the other anon and articulates well except for the ab crunch. The neck and face are slightly different paint than the shoulders but I really like the fact that the "S" shield in the back is sculpted instead of just a slapped on decal or paint. I might actually buy a second one and use this head on a McFart and definitely to use this cape as a replacement.

If they do release a Lantern, Flash and a WW, I might actually buy all these and the Batman and make it a separate JL. Especially since I don't have a Diana from McFart and probably never will at that point.

>>11596890
The heads are definitely too small for McFarts. But seeing
>>11596542 does tempt me to grab the set for Darkseid, especially with the 25% off deal right now. I was just looking at the set today. But I have a feeling it will hit clearance eventually. I dunno $60 is just a lot to ask for for a Jakks figure.

>>11596877
Kek good ol Chuck taking the piss

>>11596877
So Dixon is a facist? Learn something new every day.

>>11596877
I never realized Chuck Dixon was so based.

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>>11596890
>sonic

>>11597011
>LAW and ORDER is somehow le fashisst
You are precisely why Trump defunded the Education Department, because you are proof that we were never getting our monies worth.