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>OCTOBER
Super Saiyan Gogeta [NYCC Exclusive]
Super Saiyan Son Goku - The Games Begin
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta (Mini) [Web Exclusive]
Super Saiyan 3 Son Goku (Reissue)
Frieza - Fourth Form (Reissue)

>NOVEMBER
Nail [Web Exclusive]
Broly (40th Anniversary Reissue Edition) [Web Exclusive]
Ultra Instinct Son Goku - Transcendent Limit Break [Tamashii Store Exclusive]
Bulma - Adventure Begins (Reissue)
Bulma’s Motorcycle - Hoipoi Capsule No. 9 (Reissue)

>DECEMBER
Super Saiyan 4 Son Goku (Mini) [Web Exclusive]
Super Saiyan Gogeta [Web Exclusive]
Shenron (Reissue)

>JANUARY
Shallot [Web Exclusive]
Giblet [Web Exclusive]
Broly (40th Anniversary Reissue Edition Second Run) [Web Exclusive]
Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black (Reissue)

>FEBRUARY
Krillin - Son Goku’s Old Friend [Web Exclusive]
Grand Elder Guru [Web Exclusive]
Beast Son Gohan (Event Exclusive Color Edition) [Web Exclusive]
Demon King Piccolo (Event Exclusive Color Edition) [Web Exclusive]
Great Ape Vegeta (Event Exclusice Color Edition) [Web Exclusive]
Full Power Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (Reissue)

>MARCH
Glorio [Web Exclusive]
Son Goku & Son Gohan - Kid & Kintoun [Web Exclusive]
Super Saiyan Son Goku - Legendary Super Saiyan (Reissue)

>APRIL
Super Saiyan Vegeta - Dangerous Pride

>MAY
Son Goku - The Kind-Hearted Saiyan
Supreme Kai (Mini) [Web Exclusive]

>JUNE
Panzy [Web Exclusive]

>JULY
Super Saiyan Son Goku - Fighter of Rage [Web Exclusive]

Tamashii Nations Dragon Ball Series
>https://tamashii.jp/item_character/dragonball_series/

Tamashii Nations Surveys
>https://tamashii.jp/survey/

Previous Thread >>11586190
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>>11597115
>mfw the Frieza saga line is far from over because every past frieza saga figure released is getting a 3.0
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>>11597134
we just need a new frieza
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>>11597140
I'll agree with that
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Let's see some shelf pics!
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>>11597157
What aura/blast effect are you using for the Kaioken Goku on the bottom shelf? It looks great whatever it is.
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>>11597162
It's from the kuji fp frieza statue.
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>>11596015
I preordered the BlackHoleToys Future Gohan from them in like april and they sent out fake tracking numbers for it. Not sure if that's a standard thing to do but something seems fishy about it. If the product isn't made yet why are you sending fake tracking numbers?
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>>11597111
My heroes.
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Give me Android 21
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>>11597191
We already have 2.
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>>11597134
I wouldn't mind, it's my favorite saga
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>>11597157
>Let's see some shelf pics!
No
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>>11597244
Then do it faggot, who the fuck cares. Daima and super are shit btw
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Can someone with the 2.0 Super Saiyan Namek Goku box do me a favor and give me it's measurments?

I kinda need it down fairly exact, like to 1mm
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>>11597244
Now i've redone my saiyan saga shelf i'm really looking forward to adding krillin. I'm also pretty hyped for nail and porunga.
The new goku's and vegeta are nice, but with all the 3p releases I kinda have fatigue for those 2 characters now.
Looking forward to more Cell saga characters next.
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>>11597271
>I have no intrest in any of this trash and faggots defending it
and yet here you are doing that exact thing you literal retard, no one cares to see you bitching so much about toys you will never own, you've done this for years in SHF general and now this general aswell, doesn't seething about toys you will never own get tiring? especially pretending to be multiple people its just sad
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>>11597276
>no no you're the turdworlder here
>being this assblasted you were called out
funny how you're quick to ask everyone here for theirs but never show yours? almost as if you're a brain dead fucking idiot that seethes everyone here likes bandai and you just have a massive bandai hate boner? idk its weird and you're weird but yeah i'll buy more bandai stuff because its pocket change to me and will make you seethe harder
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>>11597300
>no rebuttal
>posts pic where daima knees look superior
Holy shit I was right you're just a retard that doesnt own anything and bitches about things you dont own, hope you dont have a heartattack when you see people posting about bandai like you usually do in the SHF and DB generals
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>>11597300
The gapping on the knee looks really bad. Makes the extra range almost pointless. Just like a huge tumor growing out of his leg.
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>>11597311
What's their best selling brand now? Wouldn't be surpised if Super Sentai sold better in Japan.
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>shill subhuman cuck
is this all of your vocabulary or did you not learn enough english?
it'd be embarrassing if you thought talking like a /pol/-kiddie would make you look cool in 2015+10
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>>11597314
Idk, One Piece gets way less released than Dragon Ball overall. The quality of them also aren't all that great. The Luffys in particular are awful. I wish a 3P would fix that shit. I feel like Dragon Ball is in a much better place rn toy wise. My target has a bunch of Luffys while the new Kaio Symbol Goku was quickly picked clean and is gone now. Theres also still old One Oiece Figurearts there. I live in Orlando and theres alot of people who go to my local Target. Its kinda surprising no one buys them just based on the brand. Some of the bigger dudes released are pretty cool though. Some of the designs seemed made for toys.
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I am so glad im not into one piece or naruto cause id need another storage unit if I were collecting those
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>>11597331
Feel like they never do Naruto's face right anyway. He always looks weird.
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>>11597327
I think the new marineford luffy is going to be a big step up. Looks like 1.5 territory already.
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These threads are almost as awful as official db toys.
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>>11597291
>>11597300
It's crazy how anybody can defend daimashit
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>>11597364
So really good and high quality with lots of variety and non of the fluff?
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>>11597260
>We never even got anything close this good
But I though one piss figure were shit, schizo-kun
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>>11597315
He also derail figma and revo threads sometimes
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>>11597364
>thidie party bros still trying


Hahahahahahahahaha
Oh no no no no no don't showing off your fake turd like idoit on Internet next time okay
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>>11597364
Daima killed the line
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>>11597322
thats what you are though
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i still shocked we didn't get SSJ4 Adult Daima Goku yet. you think they're waiting too long ? daima is getting less popular as time goes on, it really fell off a cliff in relevance.
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>all these deleted posts
lmao
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if any of you preordered Kamione Gogeta from L Surprise Toy Wholesale Store get a refund, Kang Dragon Ball Toy Wholesale Store actually has them in stock but the blue variant is a bit higher in price, never had an issue with L Surprise until now so my guess is they took too many pre orders, something similar happened with their Trunks figures.
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bandai sloppers explain
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i wanna hear the crackpot theory about this gogeta

why molding new piece and not bothering with upgrading it
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>>11597917
they're gonna do a 3.0 version later on when we're in buu saga territory, or they're planning on releasing ssj4 gogeta and dont want 2 gogetas on the market for whatever reason
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>>11597917
Those all look like shit. Bandai needs to release a new Gogeta to fix this mess. Happy I didnt buy into any of this z Gogeta crap.
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>>11597917
What are the two on the left? The center left one looks okay. I do prefer the lighter hair on the Bandai however.
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>>11597917
>>11597986
fuck lmao I mean right. Holy shit I'm retarded today.
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>>11597986
bandai og gogeta - nycc gogeta - tonsen - demonical feets
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>>11597917
The Broly Gogeta seems fine by the line stardards of the time, i still think 2.0s look like shit and feel older than they should, but is one was the peak of 2.0s so i get why people liked it

NYCC Gogeta is made for keks plain and simple, its the most expensive one of the bunch while also the one with the least accesories, the faces are mostly a miss outside of the screaming one, one or 2 years ago it would been good for a lot of people but nowdays it just accentuates the virtues of the other gogetas.

Kamione one is mostly perfect, the best faces, the best proportions, the best articulation, the best hair sculpt, even the small croassans seems to be accurated, something i was second guessing as the other ones are fucking gigantic, i guess i would have liked it more if the belt was slimmer and i know a lot of people don't like the chicken yellow they choose, and the pants could use some paint. still the best one by a wide margin

DF seems like a future trunks and Gohan Kitbash, its head and faces are somehow the worst, proportions are a little weird, has a lot of qc issues, is TALL, still them trying to tackle the croassans in a new way deserves praise
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>>11597917
He's basically the equivalent of this guy, they're gona redo him later. As for why they did a new piece they often do have new elements for EEs like blue shirt or the SS2 scratch.
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>>11598018
usually when they do new piece is a bit more on your nose

but this new gogeta you need to check it really close with the old one to see the differences, its just bizarre and give vibes of a rush job because tonsen actually put out a good figure
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>>11598018
>>11598171
What "new piece" are you guys even talking about? Am I missing something? The entire lower half is different. Did they use that on another figure before, because the DBS and the new Gogeta have different legs.
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Broooooo...
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>>11598186
>it's real
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>11598186
>>11598193
Why are you acting like they don't do this with every P-Bandai release? They're always $120+. This isn't new. You guys really must be bored if you're whining about this in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty five. Welcome to eight years ago.
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>>11598195
Uh, yeah, they usually mark it up like that on an $80 or $90 figure. Not a $65 figure.
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>>11598199
BBTS is dying and I expect them to go the way of Dorksidetoys in a few years at this rate. Don't buy imports from them unless they're general releases. Not that hard. Especially since you could've purchased this Goku with free shipping last week.
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>>11598204
I didn't buy from them retard, I'm just baffled by their justification in that price. Don't know why you're defending it so hard.
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>>11598209
>Defending it
Bitch what? I'm literally said not to buy imports from them. I'm not defending anything. I'm just asking why you're acting like this is weird.

>I'm just baffled by their justification in that price
It's muh tariffs. It's always muh tariffs as their justification for raising prices. Not really sure why you don't just assume this. Everything is bafflingly expensive now. BBTS overcharging more than they already normally overcharge isn't exactly what I'd call surprising. Just don't support them, I've moved my pre orders from them to other sites. So don't go around crying that I'm defending them when I'm specifically telling you not to give them money.

I swear some of you brain dead faggots deliberately have reading comprehension problems just so you can argue with someone about something. I hate how stupid you all are.
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>>11598199
I was going to say, I remember them marking up by like 50-60% in the past, but going from 65 to 140 is over 100% markup. Granted, Trump did threaten another 100% tariff on China starting in November so I assume markups are only going to get even higher as importing isn't getting cheaper anytime soon.
>>11598204
>BBTS is dying
I hope not, though at the rate we are going the toy/collector industry in US is gonna be dead anyways. The markups on P-Bandai stuff are steep, but for anything else they are easily one of the cheaper and more consistent US stores. EE has fucking absurd shipping costs and Amazon cancels orders too frequently to make me want to rely on them for anything you have to preorder.
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>>11598214
All I did was have a laugh and point out how exorbitantly over priced it was there, waaaay more than they even usually mark things up. You're the one who started throwing an autistic shitfit, screeching. You dipshits always have to blow up over the littlest things. Christ.
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>>11598237
I didn't blow up, I literally asked why you thought it was weird. Holy fuck, the victim complex some of you have is unreal.
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>>11598186
Honestly one of the strengths of BBTS in general is that their usually slightly higher prices for things means they keep things in stock for longer than import sites and Amazon. In this case it's fucking nuts, since the U.S. preorders are still open. The price (reasonable for Bandai's standards) and free shipping made it pretty clear they're willing to produce as many of these as is wanted.
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>>11597111
>Super Saiyan Son Goku - Fighter of Rage [Web Exclusive]
How do you order this within Japan? I can't even view the p-bandai store.
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I'm guessing this will invite the routine Daima shitposting but I love this thing. I especially like the color they used for the hair. It's definitely my favorite of the mini guys even if GT Goku and mini Piccolo are a little more robust with movement.
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>>11598294
? I've literally only heard good things about this Goku. Only issue people have is that It should have been bundled with the base form. I gotta agree too. Bandai didnt even bother changing the color of the skin or clothes. If they arent gonna change the body might as well just package the heads togehter. Would have justified that price a little more and filled in more space in the empty Daima boxes. The Bejita is total bullshit btw. Same issue down to the fact they didnt make new hands for him and his hands habe fingernails showing through the gloves. Just looks so bad and its so cheap.
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>>11598199
>Pan
>Super 17
>still in stock
damn, GT not as big as I thought
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>>11598324
GT stands for Goku Time, after all.
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>>11598243
>I didn't blow up, I literally asked why you thought it was weird.
And I explained it to you. It isn't my fault you're too stupid to under stand plain, literal terminology.
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>>11598341
Why did you post a picture of his knee? Am I missing something? I tried looking at it to see if you put like a small face on it or something. Is it a meme?
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>>11598341
ban evading is against the rules schizokun,
>seething this much someone enjoyed his toys
maybe your malding will be welcome in the figma general you like to spam so much since you continue to prove you own nothing and stay here only to bitch at others for enjoying theres
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>>11598338
You were the one who claimed i defended something when in my very post I said not to support it so I don't know what you're even getting at. Why are you like this?
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>>11598426
looks like the shill is gigamalding alright
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>>11598454
I personally actually don't like the knee, but I still preordered all the upcoming non-daima gokus though. I also made some of the collage images he likes to spam, wish I didn't.
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>>11598482
to each their own but 3.0 knee bend gap just looks worse to me
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>>11598482
it's all daima though
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>>11598492
The side profile is better than the double jointed knees, but when looking at it from the front I feel like that giant U shaped shell to accommodate the single joint looks worse.
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>>11598529
You post the same thing every time you post you brainless faggot get new material already
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>>11598519
I think they can make the U look better than what they've done so far. The new knees also look by far the best when just standing there. Compare picrel to any of the old ways >>11597917, single cut that looks like part of the pants compared to the old more noticeable separation
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>sends the schizo into a malding rage just by existing
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anyone know what happened to the rose version of HM's vegito head kits? seems like that and beast versions were scrapped but I saw this one floating around and just vanishing
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>>11598575
>lying that he could afford to spend 50$ for the headkit
The pic that isnt yours has the inferior looking trunks like hair you fucking idiot LMAO, next time actually buy the toys you brag about owning
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>>11598586
>different hair piece
>different background
yeah TOTALLY your pic and not someone elses you're reposting here for the 100th time, jesus christ you're embarassing who comes to a toy board to larp about owning toys
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>>11598553
Hope the rosé one actually gets made, would be cool to have with my Majin Vegeta and SSJ Black
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>>11598589
probably wont happen unless a recaster does a recolor variant
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>>11598592
>eh its totally not the same please believe me
LMAO
M
A
O
keep crying that you got caught faggot also
>reposting the same broly pics you spammed in threads previously
you own nothing just admit it
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>>11598606
>>11598592
>>11598586
>>11598582
>>11598564
looks like shit
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>no rebuttal
>pity n-n-no you
what being a broke toyless larper does to a mf
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>>11598454
the longer this thread continues the more this is true, I hate schizos
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>is the reason a literal retard is sent to a seething spamming rage
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>>11598631
>>11598632
>single jointed knee post summons the 3p schizo retard
like clockwork lmao, you dont own shit you broke larper, got caught posting someone elses pics and now trying to save face LMAO, samefag a little harder im sure it'll make yourself look better
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>>11598632
>bandai good
>3p bootlegs that do the exact same thing good
literal npc brain
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This dude is really defending buying a hair piece that should have came with the figure to begin with? and hes calling everyone else the shills lmao
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>Third party autist is melting down again
At least he has his 2.0 bootlegs!
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>>11598643
sanji....it's over. Bandai won.
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>>11598645
>3p are the only good db toy makers
bruh, even bandai moved to 3.0 molds now what are you on about
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>>11598656
>the shill sucks dicks
but enough about you and your hobby of posting other peoples picks ban evader
>Pointless even trying to argue with that loser.
and yet you continue to do so,
>>11598654
>oh yeah
pic related exists now, they made that gogeta for your poor ass since you couldnt get a kamione gogeta you should feel honored
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>>11598660
>malding so hard he tagged the wrong posts
take this bad DF goku face pic to feel better you need it more than I do
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>>11598652
Why do people sculpt those line in the hair for Namek Goku? He had the bloby hair during namek.like this >>11598657 it was my biggest probelm besides the discolored chest on buffku.
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>>11598664
here have another you're obviously not doing well
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>>11598592
crunch his abs and post a picture
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>>11598663
might just be the sculptors autistic obsession with not leaving out detail, I would know it affects me aswell
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>>11598546
That started as soon as Daima Goku and Vegeta were unanimously called the best Goku and Vegeta figures because the Kong and DF ones are complete dookie.
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>>11598671
yeah I only use my kong one as a super vegeta stand in now daima's just fits better except for when he needs to be bulky
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>>11598454
>turbo spergs out over single jointed knees when its been proven to look and function much better than 3.0 legs which everyone who owns one never complains about
What are you talking about? The 3.0 double jointed knees are perfect and have NO gaps.
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>>11598662
>>11598665
Jesus Christ how horrifying.
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>>11598681
I would post the kong one but I cant find a good pic of it, but its even worse kek
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>>11598684
You should post the Kamione smiling one.
South Park tier.
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>>11598684
couldnt find the base form one so heres ssj3 smile instead
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>>11598694

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>>11598695
We were talking about Goku, not Trunks.
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>>11598700
Post the full resolution pic next time not one for ants you braindead retard
pic related is you btw
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>>11598700
>malding so hard he saved a small thumbnail
lmao
>>11598703
>mfw
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>>11598707
How does you not being able to afford anything affect me personally? :]
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>>11598718
Well us normal people have jobs and can buy all of it anyway, maybe not you but thats ok im sure mcdonalds is hiring in your area
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>>11597258
>>11597258
>>11597258
bumping
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I had a dream that a new Perfect Cell and Cell Jrs were announced in a magazine. There was also a special red recolour variant of Cell.
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Im not broly schizo but the single joined knees dont work better than a double, the issue is everyone is being lazy and not doing their part in fixing the gaps, an 3.0 double jointed knee can look good, it all comes down to execution.

also Bandaijeets are getting really uppity because they finally did a base Goku and z bejita like if we didn't spend the last 2 years eating shit

on the other hand 3pschizo is glazing DF 2.0s,
2.0s are and always have been dogshit, pure unadultered slop, defending them just makes you a horse shoe bandaishill
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>B-but the KNEES my toy need more bendy KNEEs have to complain about this forever on Internet right guys?????No?you are indian shill!!1!!


Such a pathetic life it really is dude
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>>11598841
This picture makes me nostalgic for the longings of my past self and makes me want to kill myself.
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I swear to god I fucking hate opening this and the SHF thread whenever there's a huge jump in posts.
>"Is that a new reveal that's got anons hyped?"
>"Oh, it's just shitposter-kun having his umpteenth meltdown in nearly two years."
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>>11598917
he forced me to filter the word shill with his constant meltdown
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>>11598917
Annoying thing is I got basically all of the shitposter auto-filtered because he's a parrot, but then everyone else still talks about him so I still see the shitfest that's going on here.
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>>11598701
>>11598704
why is ss3 goku so cursed
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>>11598917
yeah its sad he spent all day and night samefagging to agree with himself, jannies need to rangeban him already
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>>11598933
Uh, not a bad a idea. I could add that and other words he uses constantly due to his limited english
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>>11599046
He doesn't really try to hide it. Same pictures and same words every time, berserk mind broke him.
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>>11599103
Yeah I don't get why some dude is mad for months that his action figure isn't a coomer toy.
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based jannies taking out the samefagging trash
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>>11599044
yeah that remove atleast 75% of his post
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watching the only review i could find. why does the new figure have less range than the previous? if anyone has seen the new godzilla 2000 shma figure, they added this piece on the back of the thigh above the knee that goes into the leg so that the knee bends further despite the thick leg design. why not do the same thing here bandai?
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>>11599423
no i meant why they didnt do this for the 3.0 super saiyan goku
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>Janny banned one single turd-party poster
>One-fourth of the thread's posts disappeared

Bandai Really did buckbroke third party sisters It's not even funny
I have never seen such meltdowns on this board
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>>11597176
Sounds like they BLACKED your hole.
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>>11599421
>>11599430
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>>11598841
what going on with trunks GT
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>>11599507
i broke one of the hand pegs and i send it to someone that repairs figures
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>>11599521
Kinda want to get another one and do a jacketless version
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>>11599421
Sh monster arts has always been handled by the B team. The articulation being fucked isnt that surprising. Feel like every one of their releases has some kind of issue.
>>11599499
The gapping on the Goku on the right looks awful. Hope 3P companies can fix that.
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>>11599553
I MEANT that the new goku has shit range in the knees and they could have done something like the new godzilla figure where the back of the thigh has a space for the calf to be pushed into, to get more range as opposed to practically 90 degree knees on the new goku
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>>11599521
really? how did they do it
im in same boat as you, the fucking peg for the hand snaped when i used the pocket ones
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>>11599560
i honestly don't know yet how will he do it, he still has the figure.
it broke the same way with me tho, the pocket hands issue.
the pictures with trunks are old
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>>11599563
well keep updating on it, that trunks is the first figure i ever got that broke

since it i'm not even bothering checking newer figures
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>>11599521
Always pull the joint's peg, straight out of the peg hole. And remove it slowly. Don't move it in any other direction when removing it. I broke a SROE Goku wrist joint because I ripped it out on an angle, while moving it out too quickly. Never made that mistake again.
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>>11598193
it is? I haven't seen it in BBTS myself and I check daily.
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>>11599677
https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/337310
It sold out at that price.
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>>11599679
Oh fuck damn.
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>>11599679
>140+ for an SSJ Goku sold out
Bandai could probably double the price of these figures if they wanted.
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>>11599679
This can't be real. I know people are retarded, but enough people to buy it at more than double the P-Bandai price that it sells out while it's still available? They must have put up a very small quantity or took it down temporarily.
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>>11600088
Its a popular figure. Plenty of people are excited about it. I think most people dont actually know PBandai is a thing and Bigbadtoystore is also rewlly popular with normies. We also dont know how many BBTS had in stock.
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>>11597157
Really nice
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>>11598841
What happened to super brolys head?
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>>11599521
That tonsen head looks too big for the body.
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>>11600173
Is that why the face hair looks so bad? Shit looks so narrow and the bands look more like tendrils. its so funny.
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Can anybody here make sense of this? It's literally the bardock ssj2 face and hair sculpt but without all of the other stuff the original kit offered but it's $10 more?
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>>11600191
They sell these for the price people are willing to pay, which we see from >>11599679 is surprisingly high.
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>>11600088
There are people outside the us, who can't use PBandai, I would guess this is their best choice.
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>>11600269
EU here and I am sad I missed out on the Hobby Genki POs desu. Only one offering pay later.
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>>11600271
Wait for Ninnin to restock. It's pay immediately but it will take time to restock.
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>>11600277
I'll try to get it from NNG on release. Hopefully the opportunity will be there.
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>>11600271
if you are in europe just use the tamashii fucking site or the 300 vendors, retard
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>>11600271
I did get the NNG pay later in, but for everything else I'm waiting for EU stock.
Those usually stay open up to their release day and I can wait out the QC bickering from the Japan stock.
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>>11597780
Did exactly what you suggested and Kang have already posted that shit, LSuppriseTiyWholesale store gave me some dumbfuck excuse about how they're still "in stock" but they're waiting for the stock to show up, which to me just says "they aren't in stock".
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>>11600282
of which how many are pay later?
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>>11600317
>pay later?
You know we don't do that in Europe (unfortunately).
Like >>11600283 said, just pre-order close to release.
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>>11600317
you waste more money importing shit unless you live in some backward county where no one checks what enters outside EU
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>>11600342
>just pre-order close to release.
Yeah, I'll probably do that.
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>>11600282
When is that door getting a figuarts?
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>>11600612
with the 500dollars gero labs soon with Pbandai
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Will we EVER get Dragon Ball Yoda?
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>>11600871
I know that's supposed to be his mouth, but the lower lip looks like a little smile and he just has a big koala nose.
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Another set of broly's and still no scars
Bit odd there's no battle damaged one either



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