Who the fuck asked for this, and how did the Hokuto ones sell well enough that they're making Baki stuff now.
>>11612340He looks pretty good at least, I wonder what the story is about his back Tattoo.
>>11612341based, the future is the pod and space will be rare.
Rest of the Baki line, better character and costume choices than what storm decided on.
>>11612341>I wonder what the story is about his back Tattoo.If I remember it correctly, he's a yakuza and once he took the place as the boss he needed a tattoo and choosed that one. Now the og painting is damaged so once the tattoo was done (without the damage obviously) he was like "not close enough" and went to beat up another gang on his own which left the scars on it that you see here.
>>11612347I was taking the piss about how often they tell the standing man story.
>>11612340Thanks for posting. I was about to make a new shonen general, but I guess this will do.>Hokuto ones sell well enoughI think they sold pretty well. I got them all. Not sure if ill get the baki ones though with storm arena doing such a good job!
>>11612340You DON’T want a bunch of bara characters that scale with the Hammond Collection dinosaurs to do epic Man vs. Dino scenes?
>>11612405I actually prefer 1:12/6 inch paired with Hammond Dinos over 1:24. The hexa gear stuff I have feels way too small next to them, just feel like the dinosaurs look comically big compared to having them be smaller, where you can pretend they're juveniles or smaller relative species.
>>11612413pic related, couldn't upload pics earlier.
Are the dig actions good? I'm thinking about getting Takumi. I wonder if he will fit in the Jada ae86.
>>11612464They are pretty good for the size.Scale wise you are best to check the measurements. Took me a bit of research to find cycles that would fit.
>>11612340I will get 1:24 Baki to wrestle with my Playmobil figs
>>11614175Why not just get 1:24 baki to fight other 1:24 baki characters?Or is that just too logical?
>>11612340Just a reminder for anyone considering ordering these. If you want the bonus heads you have to PO direct from the DIG website. Don't get caught out like I did with the HNK figures and have to find them after they've sold out.
>>11612347>and choosed
>>116123401:24 is the future as it's the only scale that will be able to be made with reasonable prices soon
>>116168191:24 is the future when we are forced to live in smart cities in apartments the size of a shoebox
>>11616819>smaller size = cheaper to makeNot necessarily true. Might have save on plastic but the main expense is the molds which are dependent on the number of parts so they can end up costing the same as larger scale figs
>>11617151This is the case for this line. The figures aren't cheap even though they are half the size because they are a smaller production run and have a lot of articulation. Its usually the accessory spread that really ramps up the prices which is why figures like these, storm arena, jada and marvel legends only have 1 alt head if even that.
>>11616899It won't be long now.>>11617151>>11617161It might be true for 1/12 vs 1/18, but 1/24 is far smaller than 1/12 and WILL use less steel. They're just skimming profits off by charging more.
>>11617338Given the price, the only reason to buy these currenty is because you like the scale. The storm arena baki is cheaper and 1/12. If that ever changes you may have a point, but at the moment i can't seeing this replacing 1/12 unless there is a genuine demand.
>>11617151It costs less to mold smaller scale toys than it does larger scale.it takes less time and effort to mold somethjing in a smaller scale, because there's the physical process of cutting mold. 1:18 is ⅓ of 1:12, so that's 34% shallower cuts. 1:24 is 100% smaller than 1:12, so that's 100% less amount of material that needs to be cut from solid steel hunks of metal.And since smaller scales are made up of smaller pieces, more pieces can fit on a single mold. So there's a lot of cost savings when producing something at a smaller scale and they usually pass the savings back to the customer. This is generally why 1:18 figures cost nearly half the price of 1:12 and why MegaBlok mini figures are like 4 for the price of a single ML.
>>11617559>It costs less to mold smaller scale toys than it does larger scale.It does cost less, but the cost saving is not proportionate to the size decrease. Partscount, not simple size, dictates price. This is one reason why 1:18 is nearly extinct; people expect to pay less for 1:18 compared to 1:12 despite the production cost being pretty similar, meaning 1:12 is more economically viable.
>>11616819>>116168991:24 is the future when we all survive off of onions green and apes rule mankind with an iron fist.
>>11617985The reason 1:18 isn't produced as much anymore is because companies want $27 instead of $17.If you can only buy one figure, they'd rather you buy the more expensive option. It's why Hasbro sabotaged their 1:18 Marvel line by cutting back on articulation and keeping the $11 price tag while 1:12 was 19.99. It's why they no longer produce 1:18 GI Joes and prevent Hiya from releasing their 1:18 GI Joes in the United States.>cost saving is not proportionateYou're right, it's not proportiional, hence the savings for 1:18 scale being more than 30%. MLs and Black series figures were $19.99 when GI Joes, Star Wars, and MU figures in 1:18 were $9.99 (50%). Before that, MLs were 15.99 when GI Joes, Star Wars and MU figures were 7.99 (50%). And before that, GI Joes and STar Wars figures were 5.99 when ML figures were $12.99 (>50%).Of course, GI Joes and MU figures didn't have double jointed elbows and the GI Joe line was missing thigh swivels, but GI Joes generally came with a shit ton of accessories.Currently, Hiya makes 1:18 lines and they cost $25-28, while their 1:12 lines cost $50-100.Jazwares makes 1:18 figures for 11.99 and 1:12 for 19.99Larger scales cost more to produce since their price points correlate higher than their (2d) size, since volume actually increases much more than just 4" and 6" denotes. So they need to drill out much more space out of the steel molds, fit fewer pieces per mold, and use more plastic. See pic for a very simple visual explanation.Do note that this also affects shipping prices, since now you can't fit as many figures into the same amount of space proportionately.BTW, if you didn't know, when they cut molds, volume and time is very much the cost factors. The more time it takes and the more you need to cut out, the more their tools wear out. This is why molds can be as cheap as $5000 and go all the way up to $50,000 even though they're cut from the same sized hunk of steel
>>11618582Eventually the desire for more and higher prices by Hasbro and the like will bite them as their lines subsist off whales alone and nothing more. Then they will have trimmed the fat clean off their lines and be left with nothing but stringy sinew, and no way to rebuild their lines with no fresh blood to fuel it.
>>11618582>The reason 1:18 isn't produced as much anymore is because companies want $27 instead of $17.So you agree it's not economically viable then, got it.Why would any business sell something that costs very little less to produce that they have to sell for considerably less money than something they can produce for a penny more?
>>11616411What website is it? I couldn’t find it
>>11619020Here. https://dig-jpn.com/collections/digactionYou'll have to use a proxy. You can see the bonus for Shuu and Souther sold out.
>>11618967Learn English.It's not the market that's demanding that toys be more expensiveEconomical would actually be from when they switched from making Marvel Legends to making the 1:18 Marvel Universe toyline. In 2008, the economy went to shit so they focused on making cheaper figures which made it easier for consumers to continue buying Hasbro products during a time when luxury good purchases was declining. Other companies had to make a switch, like Playmates and MattelIt's the opposite of economical to focus on 1:12 scale in 2021, when the economy has shit and costs blew up. It would actually be economical to switch to 1:18 a year ago, not just because the economy is went to shit, but also because they'd be paying less on tariffs and shippingThem expanding their 1:12 line is actually greed and a shareholder necessity because the revenue numbers must never go down. So if they were to switch to 1:18 scale as their mainlines now, the revenue number would go down prematurely AND be seen as the CEO/managers purposely fucking with their revenue stream. They're squeezing as much money from the stone before it goes to shit, because they're only thinking in the short term.So right now, companies like Hasbro are losing fans and this affects them in the long term, especially since they don't have anything ready when that stone crumbles apart with their next financial report. So there's going to be a year or two where they're going to have shitty reports, because they saw signs of the economy going to shit and did nothing to keep consumer interests.Back in 2008, Hasbro already had economically viable toylines for consumers, because they focused on 1:18 back then. Thye didn't experience a harsh decline in sales like Mattel did, because they had a ton of product readyCompanies that are smaller or privately owned have continued making 1:18, because they're not subject to unrealistic shareholder greed. Some companies already made the switch, like OP's
>>11619155>It's not the market that's demanding that toys be more expensiveNo, it's the market demanding that 1:18 be sold for cheaper than allows them to actually profit. No matter how you try and plug your ears and pretend otherwise, 1:18 is not cheaper enough compared to 1:12 to be viable at mass market.>Companies that are smaller or privately owned have continued making 1:18, because they're not subject to unrealistic shareholder greed.And they're much smaller, with less expectations on them and are only catering to a niche audience, which is all that remains for 1:18 in today's market. Especially as 1:12 has proven itself to make for objectively better figures than 1:18. Your salt over your favourite scale not being popular anymore doesn't change that.
>>11619155Don't know what sort of Lala Fantasy Land you live in, but those bad boys over at the 4 Horsemen have repeated and proven multiple times that 1/12 is the best scale to go all in on when making the best product with long term pay off. Yet you're still focusing and obsessed with a long dead scale that is no longer viable in this economy no thanks to Trump killing retail for good after killing Toysrus
>>11619162>1:12 has proven itself to make for objectively better figures than 1:18.A bunch of fat boys making small time podcasts fellating marvel legends and todd mcfarlane doesn't mean anything, retard
>>11619164>>11619163Go away Comus.
>>11612340>>11612341>>11612343>>11616411how are they double the price of the storm arena baki line? they're half the size
>>11619171just make your own
>>11619162>t's the market demanding that 1:18 be sold for cheaper than allows them to actually profitSo you don't understand English and you're so deluded you think the market can impose the price for goods like that? I don't know if you've noticed, but 1:12 scale toys aren't 27.99 now because that's what market demands.Consumers also didn't demand that 1:18 scale figures should cost 16.99. If it was up to consumers, 1:18 figures wouldn't have started costing 9.99 back in 2013 when 1:18 was still popular or 6.99 when the MU line first started in 2008.GI Joe would still have been found in 2 packs for 4.99 like with the Venom Vs Valor line, instead of 4.99 for a single figure like in the 25th line, because that's what the market demandsIt wasn't market demand that made Hasbro sabotage the MU line by cutting articulation away from the line while also increasing prices. IT isn't market demand that cockblocks Hiya Toys from releasing their 1:18 GI Joe toyline in the US. That's the opposite of market demand.I'm not going to argue with an uneducated third worlder who doesn't even know what the words you're using means.Nevermind you're ignoring the fact that profits directly correlate toward the cost of producing goods, and we know that producing smaller scales is cheaper than producing larger scales. Profit margins are going to be better on smaller scale toys because of that and also because it's cheaper to ship.
>>11619254>So you don't understand English and you're so deluded you think the market can impose the price for goods like that? I don't know if you've noticed, but 1:12 scale toys aren't 27.99 now because that's what market demands.You have it backwards. 1:12 scale toys are 27.99 now because people are willing to pay more for 1:12 than 1:18. People assume small = cheap when that isn't the case. And because people were willing to pay more for 1:12 but not for 1:18...you do the maths.In short, 1:18 fans being poorfags killed 1:18.>It wasn't market demand that made Hasbro sabotage the MU line by cutting articulation away from the line while also increasing prices.I'd be interested to know how well those ugly MU toys actually sold. Can't have been doing that well; if they had been selling well they would have kept the line going rather than cutting back on it and shifting focus onto the far more economically viable 1:12 lines.And, again, shifting attitudes of collectors; 1:18 just isn't as desirable anymore, hence the scores of 1:12 lines and the nigh-extinction of 1:18 outside of a few lines, like JoyToy's admittedly excellent 40K line.>and we know that producing smaller scales is cheaper than producing larger scales.But not cheaper enough to be viable at retail with the lower prices people expect to pay vs 1:12. And if you throw vehicles into the mix for 1:18 (which are usually quite big) the "smaller is cheaper" thing goes out the window altogether.>I'm not going to argue with an uneducated third worlder who doesn't even know what the words you're using means.Nope, you're arguing with an educated /toy/ soldier who has a firm grasp on how the market works and why it is the way it is.>IT isn't market demand that cockblocks Hiya Toys from releasing their 1:18 GI Joe toyline in the US.Funny, I heard those Hiya Joes are kinda crap, actually. A lot of QC issues and fragile joints, which is common with 1:18 lines trying to match 1:12 articulation. Ask Microman.
>>11619265>third worlder still talking after all his bullshit proven to be bullshitAlso, i like all the dumb bait you're shitting out.Remember when this thread is about a smaller scale line being so successful that they're creating even more smaller scale toylines?Mark my words, there's going to be more of this and others. Larger scales are just too costly for the times we're now in.
>>11619283You didn't prove anything other than what a fool you are.Also>A few successful 1:24 figures of huge characters from a series without many good modern toys means the entire market is going to go this way, guys!Impressive. Very nice. Now let's see them make figures of anyone smaller than hueg liek xbox.But who am I kidding, you'll just continue to pretend you're always right and that everyone else on the entire website is a third-worlder.
>>11619283are these jap or chinese made? would prefer ordering it directly
>>11619265>1:12 scale toys are 27.99 now because people are willing to pay more for 1:12Hasblow is just greedy and Americans are lazy who can't make anything and tariff all china goods
>>11619290They're Japanese, so you should order them from Japanese vendors for the best deals.Also, if they were Chinese, it'd be best to avoid them.Most quality Chinese brands are actually from Hong Kong. China tends to make poor quality toys that don't last long, so always look up where the company is from.And yes, there is a difference, since Hong Kong has been making toys longer and actually know what they're doing.>>11619286>I made bullshit up and ignored the facts you said, but you need to prove me wrong or else you are the foolthird worlder am amazing argurerererers.
>>11619305I accept your concession, Subjectanon.
This line isn't replacing the 1/12 lines. Medicos is still doing Hokuto and Storm are still doing Baki. DIG is just an alternate line for fans who have less room or just want a fun desk figure to play with.I don't see 1/24 any different to 1/6 which is just another scale which exists quite happily in parallel to 1/12.BTW, does anyone else actually collect the line or is it just me here?
>>11619348Is DIG from the same company as Medico?I thought it was more like how Megahouse does their 1:18 scale figures, while Bandai does Figuarts.Not really competing, just producing toylines for two different markets. Kinda benefits fans too, given shit like this wouldn't exist if it was done for 1:12 fans.
>>11619254NTA but the market, ie the customer, does not feel 1/18 is worth nearly as much as Hasbro and others are trying to charge for it. But they give 1/12 more slack on price. It's a natural human proclivity.1/18 just feels so tiny and miniscule, like you are getting hardly anything at all for your money.McFarlane knows bigger is better in the customer eye, although his problem is he takes it to extremes and thus went to 1/10 or 7" (as he is always known to do in comics, toys, everything, he goes too extreme). And people can respect that if that is their taste of course.But one thing most customers of toys agree on is that 1/18 is not worth what they have to charge for it, which is why it's niche as has been said ITTThere is a reason that 1/12th is called the holy scale, because it's just right. Not too big or too small.
>>11619459>There is a reason that 1/12th is called the holy scale,What the fuck is this soys boys deluion holy shit>but then again Toddykins made them too big and fucked it hard for every serious collector working har on building a diorama of classic mediaAHAHHHHHH holy shit you fagots are unreal. Neca makes 1/10 too and never gets the same amount of hate
>>11619474I collect Todd's lines so I am allowed to criticize. I like many of his sculpts, but its clear 1/10th is too big. And as far as no hate against NECA for 1/10th, that's because NECA only has niche IPs, not DC or Mortal Kombat.
>>11619353>Is DIG from the same company as MedicoI assume you mean Medicos and now, DIGAction is a line from DIGISM who are an independent Japanese toy maker. They mostly make statues from things like Yakuza.I agree though. It's not competing. Just giving consumers something different.
>>11619459I don't disagree with you on a whole.I own a lot of 1:12, because you can see more of the character better and they can offer higher end paint apps.I own a shit ton more 1:18 figures though, because they're more fun to play with. You can own a shit ton more, for cheaper too. I can army build a half dozen soldiers for for less than a $100 and fit them all on a single shelf without looking like a clusterfuck.Detail is about equal to 1:12 though Their paint apps aren't as exact as 1:12, but sculpt can be pratically identical.>But one thing most customers of toys agree on is that 1/18 is not worth what they have to charge for it, which is why it's niche as has been said ITTNah, when given an actual choice, the consumer tends to pick 1:18.With the Fortnite line, McFarlane failed at 1:10 scale. Jazwares failed at 1:12. Hasbro failed at 1:12 scale too. The line that kept on selling was in 1:18.Megahouse has more success selling Gundam characters in 1:18 than BAndai ever did in 1:12.Boss Fight still has demand for their 1:18 figures, despite trying to make 1:12 a thing for them. Same with Hiya and Ori/Acid Rain.With Marvel, Hasbro had to sabotage the 1:18 line to kill consumers interests in it, by cutting articulation while raising prices.The 1:18 STar Wars line almost died because stores only wanted to carry a single primary line. It was kept alive by Walmart and due to consumer demand, the 1:18 line was brought back to almsot every major retailer.With GI Joe, for the relaunch, Hasbro was so fearful about fans choosing 1:18 again that they just re-released old figures with some slight updates, instead of using the brand new redesigns or the movie designs for it. Hasbro also prevents Hiya from release their 1:18 updated resigns in the United States.So in Hasbro's case, Hasbro isn't allowing consumers to have a choice when it comes to what they release. It's niche due to Hasbro making it niche, not because that's what the market decided.
Why has a thread about a 1/24 japanese anime figure line descending into 1/18 discussion about American companies.Is no place sacred around here?
>>11619505because 1:24 is too obscure andthere's many more examples of 1:18 prices, proving how much cheaper smaller scales are to make than larger scales, so that led to a tangent and third world shitposter that wanted to shitpost.
>>11619526>honestly 1/12 is just a kino scale that needs to be mentioned in every thread it's the best if both worlds for serious collectors that know a thing or two about what it takes to be a bonified badass that kicks so much ass it's not even funny
>>11619505/toy naturally gravitates towards lines that produce more, because people who come to a place like this are heavy into collecting, not someone who buys a 3 imports every year. It's people with compulsions who buy a lot of product. So naturally the massive domestic lines will get mentioned a lot. They will get favored, despite worse quality generally than imports.
>>11619552As someone who collectors all toylines, quality between imports and domestic toys is barely a difference if you're buying within the same type of market.OBviously, budget children toys aren't going to be as nice as collector toys, but domestic budget children toys are still very good.Also, sometimes imports can be rather shit in quality.The early Megahouse figures were very subpar and were worse quality than HAsbro's GI Joe line. Poorly put together. Shitty paint. Soft sculpts. I'm surprised it survived enough to actually become quality, pic related.In short, if you buy enough figures, you tend not to think of them as big of a deal and you're able to compare and constrast them better.
>>11619172ok but that doesn't explain why it's double the price while being half the size? i am not saying it is unjustified, they do look great, but it doesn't seem to have more (or better?) articulation or even accessories than the storm arena line. i am just trying to understand how pricing works. i will buy both lines most likely
>>11619760post the website
>>11619764Not that anon, but here is a direct comparison between the Storm and DIG sites.$25 for 1/12Vs¥6050 ($40) for 1/24So not double, but 50% more
>>11619773Which site is that Dig Action on? I've been using Amazon Japan like a dumbass
>>11619505>>11619552
>>11619773storm is HK? maybe taxes are different in china and Japan
>>11619777The storm arenas are still cheaper even from Japan.I think this is more an economies of scale thing. DIG are a smaller company.
>>11619505Subjectanon. That's all there is to know.
>>11612340>Who the fuck asked for thisAsian have different proportions and different coomsumer needs, anon.
>>11619601Some poor import companies may be worse, and the occasional botch will come from Mafex or Yamaguchi. SHF is up to taste but I'd consider the crab crotch ones worse than a good Marvel Legend on aesthetics alone. Or their Berserk stuff that just falls apart and looks extremely janky and weird. But lots of older SHF were good, while domestic articulation from the same period was pretty sub par usually. So eras also matter since some companies can lose their way.But generally Japanese imports will be on average better, and Chinese imports are getting up there from the reputable companies
>>11619773It's an HK website, anon. It's not 25 anywhere in the west. You have to compare prices using sites that won't dump huge tariff and shipping charges on you
>>11619872>But generally Japanese imports will be on average betterof course they're better, since most of the board compares the figures to American budget children toys.IF you were to compare Japanese budget children toys to American budget children toys, the difference is a gigantic, unlike an American budget children toys to Japanese collector toys.With American collector toys compared to Japanese collector toys, the American toy generally has a better sculpt and paint.pic is an example of what budget children toys in Japan looks like. And i don't mean shitty 5PoA figure. This is the Japanese equivalent of an MU or GI Joe figure.
>>11619873And the DIGAction webste isn't domestic either, so you will pay shipping and tarrifs on that as well.The point is that regardless where you buy from you will be paying more for the 1/24 figure than the 1/12 one. So the whole argument that 1/24 is replacing 1/12 because it is cheaper is a moot point.
>>11620182>So the whole argumentand
>>11620176Not quite. Companies like Hasbro make "collector grade" action figures that have to adhere to children's toy safety standards, as until fairly recently the Western toy industry didn't have anything on par with imports, largely due to the stranglehold retailers have on the industry (at least, until recently). So what you're comparing that cheapshit Cap to is actually what you should be comparing to stuff like Figuarts or Mafex.We've seen what happens when Hasbro tries competing directly with imports with the Maximum line and it's laughable.>With American collector toys compared to Japanese collector toys, the American toy generally has a better sculpt and paint.Lolno.
>>11612340How is the quality from this line? I'm tempted to get Retsu.
>>11621745>Not quite. Companies like Hasbro make "collector grade" action figures that have to adhere to children's toy safety standardsThat's exactly what I'm talking about. They're "collector grade" because American toys have a higher standard since the 90s. Toy companies started upgrading their paint and sculpt and then articulation to attract children's attention. So budget children toys from America have such ridiculously high standards that adult collectors can be completely satisified with them.HOWEVER, American budget children toys are still budget toys, so there's a limitation on how much extra cool shit can be included to keep it affordable for kids.... same as that cheapshit Captain America made in Japan because it's a budget children's toy.. Since Japan is so expensive, their budget children toys were $20-30 (before COVID) while America's budget cildren toys were $10-20. >until fairly recently the Western toy industry didn't have anything on par with importsSince the mid-2000s isn't recent.American collector toys were mostly statueshit and McStatues (limited, preposed articulation), but since around 2007, they started getting more and more articulated. And American collector toys generally are more faithful in sculpt, have higher paint quality, more paint than Japanese collector toys, and range in price from $40-120 (just like Japanese collector toys). Their faithfulness to the source material can be god-tier.
>>11621765Quality is good for the size. I feel the HnK ones came with more accesories though like the speech bubbles and effects. Baki seems a bit barebones.
>>11621922>American collector toys were mostly statueshit and McStatues (limited, preposed articulation), but since around 2007, they started getting more and more articulated.And they were still utterly BTFO by Japanese collector toys.>And American collector toys generally are more faithful in sculpt, have higher paint quality,Absolutely not. Hasbro's realistic figures didn't become worth buying until they copied Bandai's faceprinting technique.>more paintMore =/= better. See that Saitama and its pimply paint finish.Also, are you seriously trying to claim those toys in your pic are anything other than complete trash compared to even a basic contemporary Figma?
>>11622026sure is third worlder who just wants to make contrarian arguments for entertainment because he can't afford a hobby anymore
>>11622041>T-THIRD WORLDER!That's all you can say, that's all you can say!> because he can't afford a hobby anymoreI'm not the one demanding everything be shifted to smaller scales and poorfag pricing. Smells like projection to me.
>>11620182>And the DIGAction webste isn't domestic either, so you will pay shipping and tarrifs on that as well.I didn't say anything about that other brand. Only compare prices on any products that are after all applicable fees and duties.
