I think I am one of a handful of people who actually know why this toyline failed in short The toy line was pure insanity somehow the managers did think that kids will love mutants who look like crap thrown together!The only colors are shit green, shit gold/brown and 4 of the mutants look almost identical meaning like generic crap thrown together.Not only this the mutants are fully unique (have their own molds)!!!!!!1111one one oneIf you did not know the original toy line did reuse like 4 molds they pressed differently colored plastic out.This is why the le skeleton scare glow literally has abbs and flesh on him! They only painted the skeleton in. This was super cheep to produce.However the 90s toyline decided to have these mutants. And wasted unique molds on EVERY body part they have.This character? Looks totally different in the show and is not even really named. Also all the mutants except 4 are background characters and one of them is not even drawn in model or his colors?The most memorable are>Flog (red leader)>QuakeThis one is fascinating the toy is red mutant with silver gear. The cartoon version is all brown... ????>Skeletor>SlushThe green water headAnd the mutant woman... who never got a toy version.Brilliant! All the heroes except he-man look identical with crap on them.The show is pure insanity if it comes to trying to shill toys however skeletor in the cartoon is one of the greatest evil masterminds in all of fiction.PS: Also the toyline is full of shit BDSM gear, no I do not understand that one either.And now a showcase:
>>11637488is that professor oak
>>11637488I give youButthead!https://he-man.fandom.com/wiki/Butthead
>>11637490See picture: >>11637491
>>11637488>>11637491Optikk!Good toy.in the cartoon he is not even on model or in his colors.Like LOL.Also background character!Like LOL!https://he-man.fandom.com/wiki/Optikk
>>11637488>>11637497Karatti !Cartoon colors chosen by the guy who does not distinguish between green and blue!Also identical to Hoovehttps://he-man.fandom.com/wiki/Karatti
>>11637501>>11637488 >>11637498HooveYou can see that the designers really knew what kids wanted and it is shit gold an shit green only!Also can you distinguish him from Karatti ?The guys making a remaster of this characters even decided to drop one of these clones!https://he-man.fandom.com/wiki/Hoove
>>11637488>>11637503Oh I lied!Lizorr!Clearly the most iconicNo it is shit green and shit brown/shit gold!I mean clearly peak geniuses made these toys.(because you need 300 IQ to convince any CEO to green light this shit!)Can you distinguish these characters?https://he-man.fandom.com/wiki/LizorrAnd then people wounder why this shit tanked!Either way the cartoon is its own thing and the failed toyline its own!
>>11637488>>11637505QuakkeNice toy.Only the cartoon decided to do their own colors for some reason!I have no idea.Because the kids crave shit brown and shit gold and we did not have enough shit brown and shit gold characters?https://he-man.fandom.com/wiki/Quakke
>>11637488Should have made it about the Son of He-Man (He-Ro) and the Skeletor would have been Skeletor Jr.
>>11637947Actually his name is Skeleteen.>learn the lore fag
>>11637488In the early 90s it was competing against GI Joe, Xmen, Bruce Timm DC, Power Rangers, and Playmates Star Trek. It's easy to see why this crap didn't stand a chance.
>>11637959It came out in 1989, quite a bit before those things.
>>11637959>In the early 90s it was competing againstDude.What kids wanted basically identical mutant monsters who are shit green and shit brown/gold?Also these figures who all have 100% individual molds where background characters and not even drawn on model.I love how Mattel checkmated itself with Butthead they where not even allowed to say the word butthead in the cartoon so you get a background character whose toy looks like crap and in the cartoon others only call him BH.There are some good figures however the entire line get dragged into the ground with all this mutant shit. Here is Flogg Or Brakk in Europe.Look at why it worked.Mostly red color scheme.Bright colors.And the character is prominent and named and drawn like they toy in the cartoon. In the cartoon he is the leader of the mutants who is actually an idiot who is being manipulated by skeletor who presents himself as second in command and a servant to flogg.The cartoon is actually good and one of the best depictions of skeletor as a genius.Best example:https://www.wco.tv/the-new-adventures-of-he-man-episode-27-council-of-clonesNotice how he manipulates the mutant leader.Their interaction is one of the things that make this cartoon great and where never repeated in any other he-man cartoon. The cartoon is very good however one of the worst ideas to promote the toyline where all these characters looks the same and are not given any individual personality despite having like 3 of them actually individually sculpted.
>>11638048In 1989 it's competing against Tim Burton Batman, GI Joe, Ninja Turtles, Ghostbusters, and last but certainly not lease the NES.
>>11638149>>11637511>>11637491>>11637488these look so stupid and repulsivehe man as a concept could not survive in the 90s even. Not surprising only 40+ lvl men interested in it just because of their childhood.
>>11638347>just because of their childhood.There are completists who want it all from a given line. Their compulsive nature compels them to want these.
>>11638347>and repulsiveThey are mutants...>and repulsiveEven Optikk?What about the human characters?
>>11638347>he man as a concept could not survive in the 90s even????The main complaint is that these are all NEW characters not the 80s ones.Who are very silly if you think about it.
>>11638347>>11637488I do not know if anyone talked about it before however the NA figures have insane level of detailing this skeletor has like 3 levels of detailing I did never see anyone talk about this and you can not really see it in pictures. For example the light blue arm has these things and if you look very close they look like some prosthesis metal rings with these metal extrusions on his hand he has like cables going into his body. It is all the same light blue color however you can really explore the detailing on him. Same for Optikk he has like chains on one of his foots. Plates overlapping and bolts holding them together combined with a chain.
>>11638358That thing's already discoloring inside the blister. >>11638360The problem is millenial kids just didn't care like Gen-X kids did, and took no interest in it. So it ended up not being multi-generational like other toy lines were.
>>11638366It's fine that you like the figures. But kids back then didn't care for them. Maybe that'll work in your favor with them being cheaper than the average toys from back then so they're easier to afford.
>>11638358>They are mutants...this is the stupidest argument everwhole 90s were full of mutant toysThese he man toys are ugly and just badly designed.Also in the 90s nobody wanted to play with naked gay man. everybody liked cool mutant animals and dinosaurs.>>11638360>The main complaint is that these are all NEW characters not the 80s ones.that's what i meant. He man died in the 80s. he was never popular after that.Conan the Barbarian-esque motifs were a 80s thing.you can try to hide it as much as possible (as that recent newer he-man) but it only make it lamer and more genericI'm in my 30s but i remember being into toys in the 90s and thinking that he-man was ultra lame.Like...i dont want to play with stupid looking men characters with muscle tits and nipples...Also his face looked so outdated - more like the 70s than 80s. Because he-man is an early 80s toy. From that time when the 80s still had the 70s fashion
>>11638347>and repulsiveOoh, how dare they make the monstrous bad guys look repulsive. Would you prefer the bad guys look like fucking Ponies or Care Bears? What a fucking weird complaint.
>>11638374>Also in the 90s nobody wanted to play with naked gay man.>Conan the Barbarian-esque motifs were a 80s thing.I agree.>He man died in the 80s. he was never popular after that.Hmm I 60% agree they did sell some toys after they made the new shows.>These he man toys are uglyI posted the worst examples who tanked the toyline. The most interesting part is how the cartoon + toyline where synthetically designed to make the toys fail.They literally made separate molds for every one of thee mutants....Who are in boring colors....And not in the show!>These he man toys are ugly and just badly designed.>this is the stupidest argument everI know these things are ugly and bland however they are exactly what you expect if you picture a evil mutant.Except for Butthead that is simply a ugly human with serious problems. >just badly designed.Elaborate on this!
>>116383741) I like your opinion on Optikk (this guy)2) Your opinion on the human characters>>11638375>Ooh, how dare they make the monstrous bad guys look repulsive. Would you prefer the bad guys look like fucking Ponies or Care Bears? What a fucking weird complaint.I agree with him. There is cool le ugly and simply WTF. Butthead is in the WTF categorry. If you want to see cool mutants thing of the xenophobes. Or you know the mutants from X-men (these are simply super models!)
>>11638374>Also in the 90s nobody wanted to play with naked gay man. everybody liked cool mutant animals and dinosaurs.Actually true. It was a different generation of kids who had different tastes. Gen-X kids were now teens/20-somethings who weren't interested in toys anymore, and the market was all on the early millenial kids. Once Power Rangers and Jurassic Park debuted, it was over for everything else. >Conan the Barbarian-esque motifs were a 80s thing.Very few die-hard MOTU fans admit to that. That whole medieval muscle-man thing began in the 70s with Conan, Ka-Zar, and Frank Frazetta. There was even "future medieval" stuff like the two "Gor" movies and the "Yor" movie in the 80s. In the late 80s/early 90s they didn't hardly make any female figures. Not even GI Joe or nu-He-Man did. Boys of that era seemed deathly allergic to anything female (which would probably explain the millenial "nu-males"). They didn't want a psycho-bad-ass like the Baroness in their figure collections like Gen-X didn't mind having at all. The only real stand-out was Batman Returns Catwoman, and I'm pretty sure more adult collectors than kids got that one.
>>11638375>Good = beautiful>Evil = uglyThe movie "Small Soldiers" played against this trope
>>11638384>Very few die-hard MOTU fans admit to that.I mena it is obviousMattel wants to makes a Conan toylineMattel backs outMattel just so happen to totally have worked on a different naked barbarian show...However it has technology and things so it is not Conan!Lawsuit!>We like totally have these docents before the Conan shit that we did not make now and stamped fake dates on them!I think it is obvious.PS: There was also Thundarr the barbarian who is cartoon that is far more intelligent then He-man.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I9blXQEHyw The only thing that is bullshit is how this take place 2000 years after the apocalypse it make more sense if this was 10-20 years in the future.
>>11638396I had forgotten about Thundarr. It's forgettable because it didn't get burned into mainstream pop culture the way MOTU did since it lacked a toy line back then, and was just a cartoon. It wasn't an infomercial to sell toys like MOTU was.
>>11638399>I had forgotten about ThundarrFun fact I learned about it only this year wen I mentioned that it is obvious that He-man ripped off Conan. I think the bigest problem of Thundarr is that his name is so weird. Why not Thunder the barbarian? Or something simpler?Because the world the future earth looks so creative. Like you have ruins of technology and magic creatures all over the place. And the show is not toddler shit like 80s He-man simply compere he man fighting the gryphon VS Thundarr.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T-ky4k61P8
>>11638399He-man for me.1) Almost do not know the concept or universe2) I actually played with the 90s he-man toys have only small fragments left in my memory>Remember liking the glow in the dark 90s Skeletor because skeletons are cool. 3) Encounter nostalgia fags talking about 80s he-man and how big it is4) Decide to look into it 5) The cartoon is garbage whose only redeeming features is its meme potential or absurd world.. maybe there is a deeper meaning if you imagine all the characters away and concentrate on the backgrounds and music in it only.6) watch the 90s he-manIt is actually cool and normal.7) Talk to people and how obvious the Conan plagiarism literal backstabbing is.8)Someone mentions Thundarr>The what?9) Get a link, watch 1 episodeWOW I can not believe this was made in the 80s! This is incredible! The video talks how people who never watched Thundarr say it is good.Because it is! Like seriously it looks great and has a great lore and story. >it didn't get burned into mainstream pop culture the way MOTUOh this is simple1) Mattel used the cartoon to push toys so they will push it on TV even if it costs them money2)This created the he-man craze of the 80s3)Kids who where in the craze made all these 80s he-man shilling videos where I learned about 80s he-man.This is literally all. The brand is on life support from people who got burned in by Mattel crazy shilling.And it is crazy, He-man vehicles are absurd and look like garbage. Only because Mattel wanted to sell these toys and the vehicles are designed to be something you can push an action figure into.The vehicle are so stupid and absurd it is like people put random crap together>Eagle head>Green and orange colors (WTF)>Something that looks like a chair that someone made in 5 minutes! And character names are stupid puns.
>>11637488Don't undersell just how enormous TMNT was. Pokemon is the only thing you could compare it to for younger folks to understand.There was just hardly any room in hearts and minds of boys for anything other than TMNT
>>11638423>Don't undersell just how enormous TMNT wasI remember TMNT being popular.> Pokemon is the only thing you could compare it to for younger folks to understand.I was in the pokemon craze.However I do not understand.Pokemon was literally like nothing in the west before150 unique monsters>COLLECT THEM ALLThe TV show says! And they did collect the monsters.season 1 of poekmon is out of this world!The writing is creative and basically ignores later lore.And the message is simple>Oh yea I am powerful because I got this powerful pokemon!>Oh yea I have the same pokemon!So you get people who have a collection of pokemon and battle battle battle!Not really comparable to generic TV show where the fly man mutant terrorizes the town in 3 episodes.>Oh yea I want that figure because he was cool in this one episode Also there was relation building between the pokemon characters. And the battle are ....Remember that time when his big poekmon used string shot to revele the invisible walls?Or That one episode that literally made humans with psychic powers canon (Sabrina) or fucken magic at this point (Sabrina turns you into a doll).Or that one episode with these gigantic pokemon who never show up. Not gigantomaxing or whatever. Simply ancient gigantic pokemon... The closest thing pokemon was in the 90s was JoJo Stands
>>11638423>tmnt>pokemontmnt was dying at the time when Pokemon arrived.the stuff you showing on your picture is early/Peak TMNT.during Pokemon we didn't really have any strong toylines - just "mid-good" ones. nothing "CRAZE"-level.TMNT was to us (90s kids (that are different from 80s kids) obviously cool (and we had tmn-t-clones) but i always felt like it's a cool toyline that came from back then. And stuff like StreetSharks trying to copy it.Pokemon was the first hyped up new toyline of the 90s.Everything else was just "80s line but g-guys y-you still like playing with us r-right? :(".The other thing like that was Transformers.Up to this day im a fan of both TMNT and Transformers but i never considered myself as a kid who actually grew up with first seasons or G1.I was playing with Transformers just because those toys were everywhere. And i was playing with characters i knew nothing about because those were watched by 80s kids.The ONLY transformers cartoon that i actually watched as a kid from the start was Beast Wars but it felt like i was the only kid who liked them.
>>11638431I was using Pokemon as pretty much the only example of a massive, ubiquitous property on par with what TMNT was through the late 80s and 90s. Movies, games, toys, fast food promotions, etc. Considering we didn't have the cross-marketing do the degree we have now, TMNT was a monster.
>>11638441Funny, no one cares about TMNT and Pokémon always does well
>>11638431The Pokemon anime was what sold pokemon to us.Lets see>Ongoing story>Actually beautiful world>Creative and imaginative.Like seriously am I the only one who remembers that gigantic pokemon episode in the 90s?>Emotional>Noo butterfree!>I need to save my poekmon from death!Also kids like/liked to learn new stuff and the anime promised a world of over 150 pokemon who all do different things and have names.Like seriously:https://screenrant.com/pokemon-foreshadow-dynamax-decades-early-factoid/The anime does something not in the canon, then ignores like this even happened.Years later the games give gigamaxing or whatever!
>>11638402>I think the bigest problem of Thundarr is that his name is so weird. Why not Thunder the barbarian? Or something simpler?Because it's easier for a company to copyright "Thundarr" as its own legally-distinct property thann it is for them to do "Thunder."
>>11638443>The Pokemon anime was what sold pokemon to us.Indeed.
>>11638462>to copyright "Thundarr" as its own legally-distinct propertBecause misspellings are cool!
>>11638464>Indeed>[posts banned episode content]Did anyone actually go back and watch the anime? Like season 1? Now That I think there was some weird shit. I mentioned that psychic humans are canon and so is magic however it looks like the anime ignored it from that point onward. Also the anime made up godzilla sized pokemon and never returned to them EVER.Decades later>Ah yes that was totally gigamaxing!
Also the villains mooks were purple Stormtrooper knockoffs>>11638149>>11638358When I look at these, they look like one of those third party knockoff toys you might find at the drug store toy aisle. The ones that were a mix of various old cancelled toyline parts with more generic heads and cheaper paint. Nothing really stands out about them, they are just really bland half ass attempts at making scifi cartoon playset #47 with no real creativity behind anything. >Guy with a couple tubes on his shirt>Alien guy with some lines on his arms>Generic faced lizard guyHe-Man is just some featureless normal guy in jeans. MOTU more relied in bright colors and very exaggerated features like giant gold kung fu robot hands or guns that pop out of every wrist and knee. It leaned into overly exaggerated character features as a kind of superpower for each character. That type of thing grabs kids attention a lot faster. It helps every single character stand out, especially when there are lots of them. That was the strategy with TMNT too, everyone was a hugely exaggerated animal with bright colors and some wacky weapon. It's weird how Mattel made this series to directly compete with TMNT, who was doing everything Mattel did with the MOTU line back in 84.
>>11638431Not really, Pokemon appeared commercially around 97, at the end of the decade. Batman was the dominant thing in the early 90s. Followed by X-Men and Power Rangers. 90 were all about toylines for whatever big summer blockbuster movie came out sine they were not making toy based cartoons nearly as much. But they still were with things like Bots Master, Mummies Alive, Skeleton Warriors, Mighty Max, Mighty Ducks. In the 90s they made huge toy sets for >Robin Hood Prince of Thieves>Dick Tracey >Terminator 2>Independence Day>Aliens>Jurassic Park>Congo>Last Action Hero>Lost in space>Men in Black>Batman forever and Batman and RobinEvery major action movie of the decade, even the R rated ones, had a toyline made up for it that was on shelves from June to Christmas.
>>11638515>When I look at these, they look like one of those third party knockoff toys you might find at the drug store toy aisle. The ones that were a mix of various old cancelled toyline parts with more generic heads and cheaper paint. Nothing really stands out about them, they are just really bland half ass attempts at making scifi cartoon playset #47 with no real creativity behind anything.Yep. I agree.I told you that they look identical. Also all heroes characters look like crap put on identical human bodies. Literally garbage level gear.>MOTU more relied in bright colors and very exaggerated features like giant gold kung fu robot hands or guns that pop out of every wrist and kneeNot really however they did bright color 80s he-man is shit loads of reused parts made in different colored plastic and/or paint. This is why it made $$$$ for Mattel, extremely cheep to make.>Muh TMNTTMNT I think also did the bland because all 4 turtle are the same body shape. However TMNT did have the cartoon and made them prominent characters. So kids wanted their fav turtle.However the 90s he-man cartoon literally did push all the heroes into the background and did give them like 30 seconds and 1 line to say.It was like they wanted the toyline to tank.While once more like in the 80s the OC cartoon characters get all the screen time.If they did make 1 or 4 episodes centered around Optikk and maybe interpreted him as some cool assassin type they stand a chance however he literally is not even drawn in his colors or even on model!Also WTF was wrong with these colors!Shit drown/gold on everything? like use silver!Make one mutant 90% yellow! How about blue?> The ones that were a mix of various old cancelled toyline parts with more Yet they do not look ugly?PS: Rate this hero VS the previous one!
>>11638530>>Jurassic ParkThis needs to be removed.>Hey Jurassic Park is out!>>Brilliant get one of the generic dinosaur molds we used for decades and start pressing out dinosaurs while putting the Jurassic park logo on the box!>What about the heroes?>>Just use one of the generic human figure molds we already have and put the name of that character and the Jurassic park logo on the box! Not a real toyline if you put the Jurassic Park logo on the box.PS: Remember that iconic scene when one of the humans pulls out a bazooka in the movie?How about the grappling hook mega gun?MOVIE TOY LINES everyone!
>>11638567If they made the toys realistic, then Muldoon would be the only one with guns, everyone else would be defenseless, and it wouldn't be much of a battle for kids.
Cool thread OP but you forgot that the ugliest toy wasn't even one of the Mutants but instead one of the good guys
>>11637491>>11637497>>11637498>>11637503>>11637505>>11637488Some people don't understand the genius of a line that is pure creativity. Just total wacky nonsense. It won't sell, but it is Pure Creativity. It is Art. Art is a wave of toys with a character named Butthead who butts people with his head.
>>11638659>If they made the toys realistic, then Muldoon would be the only one with gunsThese were commissioned for the film but all they had to go by were descriptions in the book. Hope that helps.Also the T-Rex of that toyline is the model they used to design the animatronic rex. That was destroyed so kids can have realistic toys of their favorite dino.
>>11638717They should go back and re-edit movies after the toyline comes out to be more like toylines.>no iconic scene of Grant shooting a giant spring loaded missile at a T-rex so a perfectly cut chunk of flesh rips off revealing DINO DAMAGE
>>11637951He was cute
>>11638567>Remember that iconic scene when one of the humans pulls out a bazooka in the movie?Muldoon shoots several raptors with a bazooka in the book, fully blowing one up and blowing the leg off another.https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/wiki/Rocket_Launchers_in_Jurassic_Park_(Novel)Spielberg is a pussy faggot.
>>11638567Yeah, and the Robin Hood Prince of Thieves treefort was the ROTJ Ewok Village playset. The 1990 Batcycle was the 88 Robocop motorcycle. Half the 88 Robocop line were recycled Superpowers characters.Demolition Man reused the 1990 He-Man line>Mortal kombat used old GI:JoesWhat's your point? Half the toy sets were recycled molds.
>>11638659>then Muldoon would be the only one with guns,Yea however they can simply reuse generic human character molds and some gun ideas they did before to fart this one out.
>>11638829>Half the toy sets wereWas ghostbusters?>What's your point? The pointis that these are not real toylines only them reusing and refactoring old toy molds to fart out crap with current movie branding on the box.>What's your point? Jurassic park is the worst offender they did not even need to try to refactor old molds.
>>11639109It made them money. Parts and figure recycling dates back to the 1970s when all the 12" GI Joe figures pretty much used one body, as did a ton of the MEGO figures. No one complained when He-Man or the first year of the 3.75" Joes heavily recycled body parts.
>>11638756I get why Spielberg made the change. The "clever girl" scene was more iconic.
>>11639121It's iconic to have the only character that is familiar with the raptor's behavior walk into an obvious ambush like a fucking retard just so he can quip before he dies.Muldoon doesn't die in the book.Spielberg is a hack.
>>11638756I tip my hat to your autism.
>>11639139Dude. Bro. Amigo. Dog. Homie. Hollywood ALWAYS changes the story from the book versions. Our copyright laws have some retarded disclaimer that says if you change around 30% of the content over the original source material, then you can legally copyright it as your own legally-distinct version. Hollywood has been using that loophole to steal ownership rights in stuff for 100 years now.That's how Harmony Gold stole Macross from Big West/Tastonoku with changing the name to "Robotech," re-editing the cartoons, and changing most character names. That's how DC stole Superman from the Schuster brothers with their legal argument of "WE GAVE HIM NEW POWERS SO WE OWN OUR OWN LEGALLY-DISTINCT VERSION!"That's why MGM changed Dorothy's silver slippers to ruby slippers and re-wrote the whole story in "Wizard of Oz." That's how Nickelodeon stole Spongebob Sqparepants from Stephen Hillenberg by adding fuckloads of scenery and characters beyond Hillenberg's original creation. Mattel even got muscled by Filmation a while back after a Filmation cartoon creator laid a legal claim to Masters of the Universe after all the add-on characters they created for each episode (which Mattel ultimately won). That's basic knowledge in this fucking toilet of an industry. So Spielberg changed a bunch of things intentionally so his production company (Amblin) could legally own their own distinct version.
Wish part to of the series wan’t an arm and a leg. Really wanted to complete that cover.
>>11639145Thanks. >>11639154>Our copyright laws have some retarded disclaimer that says if you change around 30% of the content over the original source material, then you can legally copyright it as your own legally-distinct versionSure, so change the guy that gets killed by the T-Rex to being the slimey lawyer, make Lex the computer wiz so she has something to contribute, drop about 30 Velociraptors because there is no way the budget can handle that, delete the Pteranodon aviary because budget, delete the T-Rex river chase because budget.I can understand all of these changes and can even justify them from a storytelling or movie making perspective.Making the smartest character do something inherently stupid just to get him out of the way is what a hack does.I am tempted to pin all the blame on the hack script writer Koepp, especially since he proved what an absolute fucking hack he is with his "I don't know how to write a Jurassic World script where the dinosaurs are the status quo, so I'll hit a big reset button on the only interesting concept to come out of this new trilogy" bullshit. But the hack Spielberg approved the script, so fuck him. We all saw his version of WotW. Hack.
>>11639154>>11639173>>11639176What are you incels crying about now
>>11639176>Making the smartest character do something inherently stupid just to get him out of the way is what a hack does.It's the same team that created the bitch who almost got Ian and herself killed by fucking with a baby stegosaurus, did get one guy in her own team killed by bringing the baby t-rex on board the truck in spite of being told not to, and got a fuckload of Hammond Jr's people killed by being the smart Ph.D with a t-rex blood-soaked jacked into their camp while knowing a T-rex can smell from a mile away. And they depicted her as one of the leading good guys in the story when she killed more people than anyone else in JP2. I didn't say they made the best decisions beyond liking the "clever girl" part, and only said they changed shit so they could legally OWN it. Now what was once Michael Chrichton's property belongs to Spielberg and company to make and do whatever they want with.
>>11639180Talking about completing this, they want insane prices for new he-man vol 2.
>>11638402Thundarr is a perfectly good name.It's like saying "Why's the name Skeletor, why not just Skeleton?"
>>11638442TMNT is doing just fine
>>11639230Is that why the last ronin film was cancelled?
Oh, I love the New adventures! I just recently did a custom glow up for the vintage NA He-man. New face, new legs and freshly painted armor.
I even managed to give him the pony tail!
>>11639232No. Why do you ask?
>>11639112Who the fuck cares, kids liked it and that is what mattered. No one will ever give a fuck about some middle aged loser complaining about how cheap it was to reuse molds.
>>11639112Nah, 90s Robin Hood was probably the biggest one in taking figures and playsets from everything, giving them a slight redecoration and selling them as Robin Hood figures. They did not even bother removing Green Arrow's G belt buckle when they made him into Robin Hood. Gammorean Guard Friar Tuck is just kind of weird, but I like Lex Luthor Sheriff of Nottingham.Thing is the movie figures had to be made fast. It normally takes 15 months to have a product line ready and on shelves, so when a studio wants toys made up they have to get right to work making them during production. But studios also don't want to take that kind of risk until they know a movie is going to be viable. So they wait until they get some test audience reports, see they have a hit on their hands and then scramble to have something on a shelf as fast as possible. So they get companies to take the molds they got, Tetris together something that works well enough and get that shit on shelves in the area of about 6 months. Quickly tossed out toy sets to make an extra dollar out of some kids who just walked out of a theater, were never made with adult collectors in mind. They were meant to be a fast one and done deal. To be dropped and forgotten the next year when the next big summer hit happens and they make an extra dollar off that. There is no eye for quality of any kind because absolutely no one in the process or intended customer base could be bothered to care about that. >>11639240That exact He-Man was later used as the Demolition Man toy.
>>11639286It's all understandable. That was when the average retail price for a figure was around $5, and toy-makers made cents instead of dollars off of each action figure.
>>11639240>>11639242I like NA too but i do have to agree that the colors used are rather drab and have that ps3/xbox 360 palatte that kinda dulls the designs over all. Im still waiting for mattel to show us some love, ive got a slush head but thats it outside of the origins he man 4 pack. I gotta think NA could do great as mattel exclusives, but no one seems to agree with me on this. Would you rather get an optikk or a sting - or?
>>11639286The big example of this was 89 Batman, the toys came out much later than the movie because nobody at WB understood what kind of a runaway hit they had on their hands until it was really late in production. And the first figures were hastily retooled Super Powers with some color alterations. They still came out months after the movie so kids couldn't go get toys immediately after watching it in theaters. I think Kenner never wanted to be caught trying to toss something on shelves months after the film like that again so they had a whole process to cobble together something quickly and efficiently when it came to the rest of the movie figure lines of the 90s.
>>11639229>"Why's the name Skeletor,It sounds cool.like derived from the word skeleton.>Thundarr Is bad. Liek not only is everyoen saying it thunder it is a bad misspelling of the word thunder! Same for Karatti or Optikk isntead of optic or karate.
>>11639275>kids liked itAnd forgot it! The next year.>No one will ever give a fuck about some middle aged loseYou literally must be over 18 to post here you literal CHILD!>how cheap it was to reuse molds.Yet this is how the industry operates! $$$$ pump out cheep shit. >No one will ever give a fuckThe argument was why Na toy line tanked. So this is relevant.
>>11639286>Quickly tossed out toy sets to make an extra dollar out of some kids who just walked out of a theater, were never made with adult collectors in mind. They were meant to be a fast one and done deal. To be dropped and forgotten the next year when the next big summer hit happens and they make an extra dollar off that. There is no eye for quality of any kind because absolutely no one in the process or intended customer base could be bothered to care about that.You speak the truth.>That exact He-Man was later used as the Demolition Man toy.FUN FACT there is a conspiracy theory that all superheroes look identical and are the same generic muscular guy is because toymakers simply reuse the same shit and paint it the heroes colors.This is why literally all super heroes are basically naked super muscular men who painted their body parts different colors.
>>11639275Kids didn't like it. That's why the line was a flop.
>>11639915>And forgot it! The next year.Pretty sure that is by design.
>>11638149They weren't allowed to say butt on TV then? Quite draconian.
>>11640248Saying butt a lot is what made Bart Simpson and Beavis and Butthead so edgy and adult. Many a boomer were shocked and appalled at the foul language.
>>11639913What does your Indian ESL ass know about what a good name is?Nobody one the show, or ever, pronounces it as "Thunder" ANd the fact that Karatti or Optikk is spelled funny IS THE POINTBut again, the fuck would you know about a good name
>>11638396 I think that the weird retro apocalypse futurism - in a strongly Kirby way was part of it's charm. Thundarr rides over a desk in the middle of a swamp (that has stood there for a thousand years.) and the wood freshly smashes. SPEED BUGGY is petrified in a rock - but can still be driven. Subway posters for JAWS 10. And they are all mixed in with MASSIVE geological shift. It's literally A WORLD GONE MAD. and that makes it better. (and that's not even the aliens and cyber mages) This isn't 200 years in the future. Magic fucked things. what magic didn't fuck science and radiation did. the interactions are why it's like that and bits of the past preserved.
>>11638407 It's possible that you could reboot Thundarr today because it didn't have the toys then.
>>11638402I don't think having to feature specific characters in a series due to a new toy coming is a bad thing. aiming a cartoon to sell a toyline doesnt have to be bad. lazy writers might complain but when you have the talent you can add new characters and get a new spin on the series with it
