What do you think about the new AIslop toyline leaks?Previous:>>11922562
>>11927199Salute to the madlad that posted this in the thread.The leaks look OK, main duds are the Gobots and Machine Wars Megatron, they just look dull. I'd rather have had Windsheer or BWII Thrust as the first use of the MW Megs mould. Also they coloured him like Megaplex.Constructicons look great though and hyped for Lugnut and Scorponok.
>>11927199>AISlop leaksJesus christ. that's so fucking cringe it's unreal
From what I understand the deluxes and the toy colour Atrotrain are the only CAD modelsEverything is run through the slop machine to present ideas to the execs
>>11927210finally, they'll have (a remix of others') good ideas to show. instead of the garbage they've been paying idiots to make.
>>11927201This is fake as fuck, the cyberjet mold gets twice the amount of mass in legmode out of nowhere
>>11927199>Global $89.99>US $99.99What did Hasbro mean by this anons?
Oh Hell yes, Thunderwing.
>>11927205Yoooooo
>>11927199It’s all over for William Chiew.
>>11927221This one's lifted right from Facebook
>>11927206after seeing some of these at a higher res the MW megs is really not that good and lacks the aesthetic of the original just just a chunky block compared to the sleek mold of the original.
Holy fuck that TM1 Megatron is garbage.Fire Mark immediately.
>>11927228So shameless. Fire this hack.
this is all just blatantly cobbled together AI bullshit lol
>Treating literal AI Slop made up shit as if it's remotely genuine "leaks"Are we this desperate for hopium?
>>11927231Its just a shitty AI mock up for retailers. The actual figures probably won't look like this at all. This is a whole lot of nothing.
Whole line looks like shit, just a bunch of trash from Mark's autistic """sandbox""".Lugnut is the only one that looks even remotely good and that's cuz he's mostly accurate to the show and not Mark's shitty fanfiction.
>>11927239That's an AI Lugnut, anon. A facsimile of what it *might* look like
>>11927214what in theis that a profoundly asymmetrical transformation, or does it have six wheels? the forearms don't look like they match.
>>11927209Looking at this Barricade I just realised the previous version reused the mould from Prowl and Bluestreak. I wonder if they will reuse this Barricade mould to make a new Prowl and Bluestreak?
>>11927216and the t-rex head isnt even close to consistent.
>>11927239What do you faggots even want? These are shitty AI mockups but the mainline is going to have a decent mix of G2, new characters, and basically no G1. Nightbird, Scorponok, and Mirage are the ONLY G1 character in the entire first wave. And Nightbird isn't a traditional G1 character. Scorponok is also the IDW version and a pre-tool for an Energon version of the character.
>>11927246I want more figures from the Unicron Trilogy. Cybertron mostly. Jetfire, Optimus and Landmine are my most wanted.
>>11927248But they're doing that too. They're finishing off the main Armada Decepticons next year.
>>11927246I want more beast guys. they can be recolors of existing molds, I'm okay with that.
>>11927228Pretty pathetic ngl.
>>11927246So I'm supposed to be happy about the only BW fig being a shitty reuse of the kingdom one?
isn't it fun how we can't automatically dismiss AI slop as fake leaks anymore?
>>11927262Being disappointed and being a whiny ass bitch while the line is differentiating itself the way fans have been asking are two different things.
>>11927207>>11927236>>11927237Well apparently the leaks are real, TFW had a shit storm around it, deleting any mentions to 'protect' the guy whose name is watermarked all over them and JTPrime the most credible leaker we have has all but confirmed these were the pics he had been reliant on for the past few months. It's just that Hasbro were willing to use AI just to make something presentable to stores and retailers.That SG colored Reactivate Optimus is definitely a pic taken from the internet though.
>>11927273One thing I've wondered about for a while is BMII Megatron. How can it be a combiner and a Kingdom retool? The Kingdom Megatron most certainly can not transform into an arm for a combiner. If JTPrime has just been going off these TMII Megatron is probably just based on the Kingdom mold for the AI mockup. It just never made sense for TMII Megatron to be an arm and a reused mold.
>>11927231Where are you seeing higher res versions of these leaks? And are they genuinely these leaks at a higher res, or just pics where someone fed the blurry images into AI and asked for higher respics, meaning the AI just made up a bunch more details? >>11927238According to the leaker, three of the figures shown (Collapse, Machine Wars Megatron, and Gobots Megatron) are based on actual CADs for these figures. But yeah, the rest are mock ups and probably made with crappy AI.
>>11927277The new Transmetal 1 Megatron is supposedly remolded from the regular T-Rex Megatron from Kingdom, not the TM2 dragon. That said, you're right that it doesn't make sense for it to be a reuse of that mold AND be able to combine. Either it's gotta have some incredibly extensive new tooling, or Jtprime might have some of his info confused one way or the other.
I just hope this kills the lil' gay leaker club. I'd rather see new toys when they reveal them.
>>11927289I meant to call it TM I Megatron I just had a brainfart and mixed the two up. But still it doesn't make sense for it to be a reused mold. It would be remolded to the point it has to be a new mold. It probably doesn't look like that at all.
>>11927291I just want to go back to the days leakers just posted toy catalogs and retail listings anonymously instead of attention whoring in gay little discord clubs.
>>11927291While I prefer hearing about the leaks (it makes it a lot easier to plan ahead and budget for purchases), the main problem is the people doing the leaking. On the one hand, you have Jtprime who has repeatedly made a big deal about "retiring" from leaking only to keep continuing anyway because apparently the attention from leaking alone isn't enough without frequent retrospective appreciation, and then you have Nune who is so insufferable that I'd rather stop getting leaks altogether if it means that little neo-pronoun weirdo doesn't get to go on any more little power trips. But apparently it's too much to ask that the leakers behave like normal, well-adjusted human beings.
>20 fucking 26>everyone has a 50 megapixel device in their pocket at all time>"leaks" are still blurry 144p photos from a 2003 motorola razr
Is that TM Megatron a retool of Kingdom Megatron? If so, I hope someone hangs for this.
>>11927199>TFW2005 is full of faggots I hate them so much it's unreal. They banned my 20+ year old account back in February just because I pointed out the fact that Doug Bowser is a jew.
>>11927310the more I hear about tfw2005, the better it sounds.
>>11927309its an AI mockup and we've been told its a retool apparently based on this mockup but it doesn't make sense for it to be a retool of Kingdom Megatron and a combiner so the reality is who the fuck knows.
>>11927199Yeah, all of those pics sure are ass.
>>11927277>It just never made sense for TMII Megatron to be an arm and a reused mold.Technically TM Megatron is the right arm, torso and thighs of the combined mode. At least going off on that AI mock-up.
>>11927311Hey, you wouldn't happen to be interested in a G1 Overlord, would you?
>>11927316Which makes even fucking less sense because it'd have to be retooled to the point it might as well be a new mold.
>pictures never meant for public to see>only thrown together to appease 80 year old ceos and board members of proof of concept>omg these looks like ass!Yeah, cause theyre not promo pics
>>11927212>Not the Superlink versionMan fuck this shit. Energon or Superlink Scorponok needed a new toy so badly, especially when the original had a design flaw on the shoulder hinges. Such a cool fucking design but all we're getting is a downsized G1 Scorponok but made more muscular that is bordering on 3rd party.
>>11927319It could be a very loose use of the term "partial"Like, maybe they only share a head and things. Something like that
>>11927318That was the Allspark
>>11927325>thingsmeant thighs
>>11927325maybe rather than a retool it's just one of those cases where they've got identical engineering despite being separate molds
>>11927325It’s like how Armada Starscream is technically considered a Reactivate Starscream retool
>>11927325Its way more likely JTPrime was just talking out his ass and made assumptions based on the AI mockup being similar and swapping the hand and head for combiner purposes. Though an Abarenoh-esque tail hand would have been way cooler.
>>11927234To be fair, TM1 Megatron is the forgotten middle child of the three versions of Megatron from the Beast Wars cartoon between TM2 and the original Barney the Dinosaur looking ass.At least TM1 Megs is getting a new toy at all, unlike the original croc Megs from the initial wave of BW toys, that was strangely absent from the cartoon... for some reason.
>>11927205Depending on how big he is it might be time for me to retire this guy.
>>11927331all the more stupid, it wouldn't save a single cent to do that
>>11927336>To be fair, TM1 Megatron is the forgotten middle child of the three versions of Megatron from the Beast Wars cartoon between TM2 and the original Barney the Dinosaur looking ass.He actually spends the majority of the cartoon as a TM1; the entirety of S2 and most of S3. I'd argue it's his most iconic look.
>>11927337I think its a Leader. I feel like it should be at least as bulky as the SS86 Dinobots. I love my RTS Lugnut but I have high hopes for this figure. Kind of hoping we get a Cyberverse Clobber to pair with him. I feel like they'd make a really good pair since she was supposed to be him initially.
>>11927342Season 1 is as long as S2 and S3 put together, you're the only one who's going to argue that.
>>11927199As a big Marvel G1 enjoyer I've been wanting a good Thunderwing for ages. So why the fuck is he mostly black when his legs and jet mode are white on the original? Hope this is just the result of Sloppa but the general design idea looks nice>>11927201We need more 4-member Combiners, so I'll take what I can get. >>11927205Glorious looking, bretty good>>11927209>BarricadeEvergreen head design or I riot>NightbirdFeels like a redone version of Legacy Elita 1, strong pass for me>MirageThis shit kinda looks good. Floppy waist aside I've been using Classics Mirage for 20 years now, hopefully this is the one that actually hits the landing. >MW MegatronMegaplex is the obvious repaint, but give me a RID2001 Windsheer and a retool into MW Thunderacracker/Skywarp and their repaints. BW2 repaints never ever, Robot Masters repaints SUPER Never Ever>Gobots MegatronYep, that certainly looks like a blocky car dude. >Collapse/HydraulicI fuck with the idea of more Constructicons, If there is some sort of compatibility with SS86 Devastator that'd be cool, but if there their own combiner that'd be cool too. >>11927212Again, big Marvel G1 chud here so I'm all fr a Leader-scale G1 Scorponok. I get where the Energon-enjoyers are coming from, but this is what I've been wanting for ages.>>11927214Family>>11927218Yawn. I don't think the Voyagers have been teased yet, but the fact that there's only a single Autobot in the first wave of releases is kind of crazy to me. I'm looking forward to a good chunk of these (Thunderwing, Lugnut, Scorponok, Barricade, MW Megs, the Constructicons) but wish we got actual images.
>>11927336TM1 Megatron is the worst of the three when it comes to being a toy because it suffers from GPS. I honestly forgot he didn't have a T-Rex head arm because the other two designs have beast head arms. Also I grabbed my Kingdom Megatron off the shelf and based on the picture pretty much every part on that figure would be new. The legs are new, the head is new, the shell is new (and redone because Kingdom Megatron has an awful backpack of dinosaur skin TM1 Megatron would not have), the tail is new. There's basically nothing on that figure that wouldn't be new tooling. I think it might just share a similar silhouette instead of being a perfect recreation of the classic design. That's if the AI slop even looks like the final figure.
>>11927358actually the backpack is the one part of the transformation that would be the same. Not in the original toys, but Kingdom's torso and thigh parts rearrange basically identically to TM1's
>>11927356>I fuck with the idea of more Constructicons, If there is some sort of compatibility with SS86 Devastator that'd be cool, but if there their own combiner that'd be cool too.One of them is allegedly supposed to be a weaponizer that forms a weapon for SS86 Devastator but I forget which one. I want Hydraulic to turn into a big ass hammer.
>>11927365how would the handle work
Thundercracker (ko) arrived today, now I've got 2/3. I never had a classics Skywarp so if that one doesn't arrive next I'll be sad.
>>11927366Long flip out 5mm pegs would be fine. Though SS86 Devastator would really struggle to hold something like that.
>>11927199The one hobby I thought I wouldn’t have to deal with AI slop in…
>>11927368flip out from where? a big-ass hammer has gotta have a pretty fucking big handle.>>11927370always remember: you caused this. this is 94% your fault, and so is probably everything else that's wrong.
>>11927374Look I'm not a toy designer I just want him to be a big ass hammer for Devastator because it'd be fucking cool.
>>11927370The fact this entire site would be better had they just stomped out AI to either /trash/ or it's own board is wildWe absolutely should have banned AI outright hereEvery single platform that enables it is entirely flooded by endless spam and slop
>>11927380I feel like I talk to robots all day online now. I never know which if you faggots is real.
>>11927349Not that anon but TM Megatron is his most remembered look just by the fact that his best episodes are all in that form, something anyone who actually remembers the show will tell you. Not only that but it's also widely regarded as the best design of the three. So no, the transmetal looks aren't "the forgotten middle child" at all.
>>11927370Even a year or two ago I was seeing AI slop transformers. Not being used as fakes yet though. But yes, AI sloppers will crawl into every corner of the internet because they worship it and believe it will bring them fame and money.
>>11927377i hear you, matey. hammers are cooltransformers have always had a really complicated history with melee weapons for a bunch of reasons>wrist joints are, at best, usually a swivel, so there's no great way to wield a sword>weapons traditionally plug into hands and, ideally, don't pop out the bottom (often, they can't, due to kibble) so you're typically stuck holding the thing by the very end, like Luke in the original Star Wars awardly gripping his lightsaber like he was massaging its balls.>even if the handle can go clean through, or piece together once in the hand, or whatever, you still have a limited number of gripping spots. you can't choke-up or whatever.there's a reason Ops and Megs and the movieformers just turned their hands INTO weapons.
>>11927380that's been the case since long before "AI"rangeban india and russia, or give up
>>11927390it's funny how much more authentic /down/ felt.
>>11927326Oh wow, I didn't know they were just as bad as TFW.
>>11927398Allspark is worse.
>>11927392You really believe that story, don't you?Look more closely at the people selling it to you...
>>11927206madlad here, you’re very welcome, it made nune lose her mind lmao. also the tfw jannies locked me out of the aotp 2027 thread :(<-proof
>>11927390I feel like /tfg/ if all places would be pretty safe, I don’t really see the benefit in sending a bunch of bots in here>>11927396Don’t forget Israel, they’re just as bad
>>11927201This is the most obvious AI slop ever
I am not interested in MegaMegatron.
Why would you recruit a team of Megatrons to fight an Optimus? That's like building a bunch of campfires to boil an olypic swimming pool.
>>11927407Based. If you have anything else please leak it and make things more chaotic. >>11927414The story reason is that loyal Decepticons are the ones who gather them all.
>>11927367Hasbro has to step up their game, only the diehard Brand loyalists are taking the bad deal.
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>11927410>believing the russian narrativeanon. talk to your dad.
>>11927414Megatron is actually pretty good at killing Optimus, it’s just that Optimus comes back to life every time (Movie, BW S1, Armada, Animated, RotF, Cyberverse, One)>>11927416Mainframe should have been behind them
>>11927414What about a team of combining Megatrons to fight a team of combining Optimii
>>11927421The Russian narrative that bots aren’t on /tfg/ or the Russian narrative that there are a ton of Israelis on 4chan?
>>11927423not a bad idea lol. I have the dramatic capture one too.
>>11927425What four Optimus Primes would be used in a combiner Optimus? Energon Optimus should be the center.
>>11927416>Ironhide drives into a tunnel painted onto a cliff wall>Wheeljack gets blown up for trusting ACME explosives>Mirage douses himself with "disappearing ink" and gets run over by traffic>Hound chases Laserbeak over a cliff and only falls once he realizes that he's not on open ground anymoreMeep meep
>>11927426why would the world's most literate and educated country not be here? that's not the point.The point is, Carbombya is bad. The guys they carbomb are good.
>>11927431Carbombya is camel country anon please leave those poor camels out of this.
>>11927430it's a print of a background from the Super Mario Super Show, most notably used during Do the Mario.
>>11927429>Torso: G1 Optimus>Right arm: TFA Optimus>Left Arm: Armada Optimus>Right Leg: Movie Optimus>Left Leg: Prime Optimus>>11927434Oh all I could think was Wile-E-Coyote, shit looks very looney-tunes.
>>11927434in retrospect, that is both a bizarre and totally appropriate backdrop for a Mario cartoon
>>11927436Optimus Primal turns into a gorilla gun
>>11927431>tons of Israelis spam 4chan>anon, don’t believe that Russian propaganda >so there aren’t a ton of Israelis on 4chan?>of course there are, why wouldn’t there be
>>11927439>thinks nobody will notice you carefully omitted 'spamming' before, then surreptitiously added it back in now.oh I see, you're one of them.maybe you should stick to talking about toys. Howbout this guy? I always liked this guy, even though it's weird his hands can't hold nothin'. I'd like to see a redo that collapses the back a bit better.
>>11927436Those feel like such boring picks. For me I think its>Torso: Energon Optimus>Left Arm: Big Convoy>Right Arm: Timelines Samurai Prime>Legs: G2 Hero Optimus Prime
>>11927438The other Optimus Primal can turn into a backpack, giving the combiner bat wings.
>>11927445>>Legs: G2 Hero Optimus PrimeYes, at least one of the legs should be he.
>>11927436>>11927437Fair enough. DIC TAOSTH was also super looney tunes with the stupid anti sonic traps and Sonic wearing silly disguises.
>>11927436Having one leg made of movie and one arm made of wyatt feels like it would hurt. your parts would just not agree with each other. like that show Son of Zorn where a guy was half-cartoon, but it was the bottom half.
>>11927447I think he's can be big enough to be both like the Gaoranger Bison mech.
>>11927448oh absolutely, they went FULL toon with it. Mario went kinda partway, and ended up being much less enjoyable as an actual show.
>>11927443>least obvious Israeli psyop everI’d personally prefer if they did Bighorn first, especially given all the other BWII characters they’ve done>>11927447It would be even more fitting if they made him a Volvo Prime retool to match TM1 Megs being a retool as well
>>11927449>cartoon dickImagine the possibilities>>11927450I think you'd end up with Hero Prime's legs with the rest of the bots stacked on top.
hmm, the red pops nicely, but the bone white fits with the fact that you typically see bison in skeleton form.. Well either way, not replying to achmed there.
>>11927453Me asking for Diver and Spittor for the xth time.
>>11927454Nah split the vehicle mode in half and have big chunky legs.
>>11927456We were <this> close to getting them, too
>leaksDoes it matter?It not like Hasbro won't give proper announcement when time comes, they are selling these as consumer goods not some top secret weapons for US armed forcessTransformers people seem to be only people who ever get so investing in leaks and rumors compared to other toy collecting people
>>11927456Right? Though if they do reuse part of the Gama mold or whatever he was called, I do hope they tweak it more, because that transformation kinda sucked. Or at least, it had room for improvement. It's not like the original was perfect either.>>11927459yeah see.. his forearms are too short, and his torso and thighs are also kinda squished. I also seem to remember the frog legs looking a little weird in some poses, like the joint was set just a bit too far in one direction
>>11927460I remember one of the action figure generals had a pastebin of like a year's worth of planned figures in the OP when I looked in there.
>>11927460>Transformers people seem to be only people who ever get so investing in leaks and rumors compared to other toy collecting peopleKamen Rider and Sentai leaks used to be pretty bad. Like you couldn't even just watch the show as it aired and participate in the community without toy leaks overtaking show discussion.
>>11927457Hero Prime's giant chunky legs could serve a whole combiner
>>11927273>JTPrime the most credible leaker we have has all but confirmed these were the pics he had been reliant on for the past few months.That's pretty grim but why are people saying fuck JTprime? He's not the one making these images
>>11927459Hasbro's team is too distracted. I hope Takara Tomy just does more of their own stuff like BWII Galvatron.
>>11927467Because he's an attention whore who trickles info out slowly for attention while having regular bitchfests about wanting to quit. But he also was going on AI mockups while implying he had special insider information. The majority of these figures will not look like this.
>>11927468what's the point? We'll never be able to afford them. and it's twice as bad for them, Galvatron costs like two months of food in Japan right now.
>>11927390I think it was last last Sunday that felt some of the loveliest conversation we've had here in a whileNot immediately sure if that correlates with the data centers getting bombed
>>11927469Oh he pretended the ai shit was legitimate toy prototypes? Not only is that pozzed but he'd look really stupid if these come out very different from how he described.
>>11927471the what now? - no, I don't want to know.Anyway you are cool, Madge. Who is your favorite T-former.
>>11927472I don't know the guy, but I feel like this could easily have been a bit of a slipup of the tongue, or a poor lexicon. I mean, what would you call initial designs for something? mockups? I wouldn't exactly correct someone for calling them prototypes.
>>11927474They're mockups but JTPrime had inferred multiple times he had more concrete information.
>>11927468Hasbro: Let's finally do the 13 Primes and make them a hodge podge of their appearances from various media also some sort of incentive to collect them all.Hasbro: Let's finally put Megatron in the spotlight and do a bunch of decepticons and have Megatron combining with himself instead of finishing teams or character groups we can delegate some of those to studio series or something. Oh yeah we gotta do something for the 20th anniversary of the 2007 movie.
>>11927467tbf, jtprime doesn’t really anger me as much as that cunt nune. all bro does is fucking ebeg for 20 dollar toy money and make cringe replies to jt ffs. the 2 infractions i got were well worth pissing on that bitches face
>>11927470It's just money, I'll make more>>11927473>Who is your favorite T-former.That's an impossible questionBut I'd probably have to go with... your least favourite>>11927445>>11927450>>11927454Land Bison cracked that code
>>11927476I liked all the Primes though. How they did Nexus sucks but its a really damn good figure as-is.
>>11927470¥18,700 rounds up $120 it's not that crazy. TOYRISE, Tamashii, P-Bandai, etc. can be way more expensive and the market seems to stomach it.
>>11927475he implied, you inferred. I know I'm being pedantic, but if we're accusing someone of wrongtalking here, it's important we get our shit right. So he implied (not really solid ground to begin with) that it was MORE concrete than a mockup?>>11927476they're probably trying to ape Wild King or whatever.
>>11927478>I'll make morethat's awesome, I'm glad you have stable income.>my least favorite dohhh!! That's actually an even more impossible question. But probably one of the really ugly ones from the movies that make it harder for me to discuss the movie designs I enjoyed.>>11927480hmm, I need more nihonfriends to compare. I had one but I haven't heard from him in a while, so most of what I have to go on is '52 year old Japanese Man' on youtube. Love that guy.
>>11927478>your least favouriteI don't care for Huffer.
Are they turning Collapse into hubcap/hoist for MW?
>>11927480I'll admit I've slowed down on the normal retail transformers. It's harder to justify snagging one while on a grocery trip these daysBut on the other hand I am a sucker who is still deep in THE GATTAI, MPG, and am getting into Cardbot>>11927482There're a few movies uggos I enjoy.I've gotten an amount of genuine joy from Rampage. Even if all he can do is wiggle his armsScalpel, too. Even if all he can do is crumble to bits
>>11927316>At least going off on that AI mock-up.Keep in mind that the AI mock-up of the combined mode for all the Megatrons was made by a fan (still using AI, of course) after the real leaks came out today. That said, it appears to be based on a description the TFW leakers gave of what the combined mode is supposed to look like, from the placement of all the components to the head having some sort of crown.
>>11927486oh absolutely. Even if the toys never approach the majesty of the movie, I LOVED the creative choices for the movie Constructicons. Really, the 2nd movie has the best designs, and the worst writing. Every one of those films has one 1st and one last place element.
I am so glad Hasbro has no interest in committing to movie figures anymore. I want the movieshit to just die off. I hate that its taking slots from next year's Studio Series line.
>>11927425>>11927436I see what you guys are cooking here, but I think it might be a little more difficult to pull off an interesting combiner of just Optimus Primes since so many of the big name versions of the character are very similar, just with different design aesthetics, whereas Megatron toys tend to be far more varied. For an Oops-All-Optimuses combiner, after the token G1 and beast era figures, you'd probably have to resort to deeper cuts like Machine Wars Optimus or G2's unreleased "General" Optimus. Otherwise, you're gonna end up with a combiner made up almost entirely of red trucks.
>>11927497People like Devastator and that is all green and purple construction vehicles. It's probably not fine, but you can slippery slope yourself into it.
>>11927477A discord tranny ebegging for money? Impossible. Never. I just refuse to believe it.
>get Grand Convoy but he's gimped for a combiner>but not even the right combiner, it's so he can be a torso for spychanger optimus
>>11927479It feels very hit or miss. The worst is Solus because she just falls apart. It at least gave them room to do something new but the execution such as the conduit and Nexus leaves a bit to be desired. Like it's gonna be a long ass wait til we see the voyager limbs and the commander class hopefully heatwave.
>>11927518>commander class hopefully heatwave.Will never happen I'm afraid.
>>11927497No, anons have a point. Megatron has been the one most varied in designs while Optimus is the most consistent. Making the Megatron combiner be filled with a dinosaur, a car, a jet and a tank while the Optimus combiner is mostly trucks is keeping it in theme with the two characters, One for All and All are One. >>11927506Nah, you're not thinking like Hasbro anon. Grand Convoy won't be gimped, they'll just release him in Commander Class with his trailer but without the drones so that he'll be in budget without 'compromise'. And then they'll make 3-4 additional Optimus Primes in the same toyline that can transform into limbs and combine with Grand Convoy to make a new Optimus Maximus to rival the Megatron combiner we're getting. AND THEN they'll make the drones separately, turning them into weaponizers that can combine with Grand Convoy just as usual or be taken apart and weaponize other bots.
>>11927518Grew to like her a lot honestly. Just needs better shoulders and maybe hands/waist
>>11927504Technically she's not a tranny, she's just a an emotionally disturbed autistic girl who believes "sex is a social construct" and therefore she's an "ey/em," whatever the fuck that is. But she is unable to hold down a job, so hooray for her.
>>11927477>>11927504>>11927537sounds like we gotta make a good ol' thread about this JTranny over on the kiwi farms.
>>11927537poor thing. Brings Vee to mind.Hope you find your marbles someday, Vee. and your cerebrospinal fluid.
>>11927214This is too good looking to be mainline, is it based on something?
>>11927540You're confusing JTPrime with nune.
>>11927205I've always wanted a proper Lugnut remaster. Much of the original Animated toys aged poorly
>>11927537Also keeps thinking "kill yourself" and "fuck off and die" are death threats
>>11927246>Scorponok is also the IDW version and a pre-tool for an Energon version of the characterNo, jt was wrong about that.He admitted that what he saw was what was leakedHe just got the details wrong
>>11927246>Scorponok is also the IDW version and a pre-tool for an Energon version of the character.Have you actually SEEN the leaked Scorponok toy design? Nothing about that toy can be retooled into the Energon version, it's literally just G1 Scorponok but downsized to Leader Class and on steroids.
>>11927540Not your personal army.
>>11927576I'm just waiting for one of those big YouTubers like chrispleely or thew to get busted for child solicitation
>>11927537I never understood how this freak came to be in the position to leak to begin with. JT at least strikes me as someone who could plausibly have industry connections, but Nune is just a mentally ill NEET.
>>11927477Fred FUCKS???
>>11927559It's just an AI placeholder, the toy probably doesn't look like that. Note that the listing explicitely calls it Energon Scorponok.
>>11927592>Fred Fuckstone goes nuclear on tfw2005
>>11927596I dunno man, an AI placeholder would have at least kept some part of the actual Energon design in it. But instead what we got is pure G1 Scorponok, either the AI model they use is really dumb and is unable to replicate even a fraction of Energon Scorponok or the AI placeholder is close enough to the actual design of the toy which as we can see is G1 Scorponok. And also listing names can change, lest we forget that there was going to be a 2nd reissue of Legacy Armada Megatron until it got changed into Megazarak
>>11927602>an AI placeholder would have at least kept some part of the actual Energon design in it.The placeholder for Thunderwing has TR Astrotrain's spaceship mode as the smaller jet, who the fuck knows how they're prompting this shit.
>>11927602You are putting waaaaay too much stock into placeholders my man.
>>11927601>Hey it's that guy from Iacon baby! Damn serious. I'm fuckin' ten times worse than Cosmic Rust and I got an email from some fucking asshole duocon over at www dot pegs ports and ratchets DOT COM. And here's the thing: Autobot-Decepticon fuckin war. Imminent, no question about it, and what you guys are gonna do is start getting altmodes, combining, fuckin. Everything
Accessories for anyone who thinks their breastforce is lacking in gunsAnd some feet for Leozack
>>11927602>EnergonJt didn't say it was energonHe said it was botcon influencedWhich used the energon mold in g1 ish colorsVery vague
All of these fucking suck...Guess it's another year of me buying the superior Blockees Galaxy and Defender class figures
>>11927658Only a couple are real, anonThey're retailer mockupsThey used to just show them badly recolored comic book art
>>11927659It's a troll post, anon. You're responding to someone that isn't real.
>>11927518>commander class hopefully heatwaveUnfortunately, the "Nexus Prime" we already got is supposed to be Heatwave, even if he looks nothing like him and has the completely wrong alt mode. The best you can do is get him a 3D printed head at this point.
Jesus christ Mark made Collapse and Mirage to make the rest of the Machine wars autobots. Megatron makes the rest of the decepticon forces
>>11927671A RM Wrecker Hook recolor of Collapse would go hard
>>11927583pwease don’t talk about animated fancomic on my server it makes me shit my diaper….
>>11927690>acknowledges they have mental health issues>expects everyone else to pretend their hang-ups are objectively real and tip toe around themA tale as old as time.
>>11927705that's the last decade for you.
>>11927690I know the answer is mental issues, but I can't begin to grasp what uncanny valley is being gazed onIt looks too much like official Animated but not quite?
>>11927212So, it looks like the mistake about it being energon-coded was because they made the leg flared outwhich is likely because of anime styled figures, blokees, and third party figures being used in the AI generation, and interpreting the hip skirs as the gray thigh canons energon has.However, There are a couple of things in this leak that are actual cad models, with AI spoofing the finished paint.This might be the case for scorponok as he's unusually detailed and symettrical.The "IDW" element he mentioned most likely comes from the upper claw region, which in G1 was not a separate section, but was in IDW.
>>11927407>>11927356>>11927206>leakers getting molestedFrankly deserved after what they have done to other generals here and how smug they are. Good riddance
Remake one day.
>>11927671Machine Wars Sandstorm bros, it’lll be our time soon!
Just found out Silverbolt has this Botcon repaint. They could still do this with the Kingdom figure some time.
>>11927729I have good news for you
>>11927735That's not Grand Convoy, that's Optimus Link Prime. Entirely different.
fyi this is the guy who took all the confidential photos and sent them to the leakers. probably got him fired, leakers absolutely raped and felted
>>11927734Reminder that he's a fusion of Swoop and an unnamed Predacon, so he can be part of a Beast Era Dinobot team.
>>11927742>probably got him firedOH NO! Anyway...But seriously, does anyone else find all the pearl-clutching on tfw (think of le poor employee losing his jobarino!) as excessively performative? I openly don't care, but they don't care either and they pretend to lose sleep over it.
>>11927746Not exactly.TFW occasionally has actual members of hasbro posting.So some of it is just protecting their own members.Because the last time this happened the leaker DID get fired, and the end result was TFW's mod team got the cold shoulder by hasbro, so fewer interviews, etc.
>>11927742>SAno loss.
>>11927733Again I’m pretty sure it’ll just be a spinister retool and soundwave a double dealer.
>>11927631Guns look nice, I hope they do some more weapons for the combined mode, he never had one but a big Brave sword would be nice
>>11927749If anything it's the people here acting performative.>Heh. I SO don't care, except actually I HOPE this guy got fired >:) That'll really pwn and stick it to the... uh... somebody!!!Yeah bravo guys, you're super cool and free thinkers.Cue the salty replies saying I'm trans or brown or smthn.
>>11927742>Kuala Lumpur, Federal Territory of Kuala LumpurThese are TINGLE'S magic words! Don't steal them!!
>>11927761Kek
>>11927759who are you quoting?
>>11927759Quit drinking It already got you into hot water when you leaked all that shitPosting while drunk still isn't helping
>>11927742
It's unfair we never got him. 3P did but it was early 3P so he could have been so much betterI wish some of them would go back and revisit original releases and do a like 2.0
>>11927786I really wish the majority of 3P companies didn't share Hasbro's fixation on G1.
>>11927518See my Solus didn't have the QC issues others had so I had a better experience with the figure. I didn't like Alchemist Prime at first but he really grew on me. Micronus is probably the weakest in the line but I still liked him okay. I put my Miko slugfigure in the Apex Armor for my Prime display. >>11927631Do those feet fix the ugly ass combiner wedges hanging off Leozack's legs?
>>11927786man I love rivets
>>11927670Heatwave is the only 13 prime shit I wanted man it's unfortunate they had to ruin it with ONE
>>11927791Apparently
>>11927746I don't feel bad for him at all he knew the risks of fucking around with leakers
>>11927786>It's unfair we never got him.I did my part, I bought the HoS sets>>11927791>Do those feet fix the ugly ass combiner wedges hanging off Leozack's legs?They do, but now his arms are crazy short
>>11927812>>11927815I understand what they're trying to do here but it just doesn't work.
>>11927631I think the feet for Leozack actually make him look worse. All I really want for these guys are bigger heads for a few of the members and articulated hands for Liokaiser. Hopefully they address that stuff later.
>>11927815Yeah I'm not big on this. I love these guys as separate figures but Leozack is such a low point. His feet are ugly and his head is tiny.
btw the guy in the leaker group who screwed this all up later admitted in a public server of 100+ people that he lied about being drunk to everyone, including his leaker friends. he was 100% sober. the messages have since been deleted but they were up long enough
>>11927310>because I pointed out the fact that Doug Bowser is a jew.Assuming that's all you had to say on that matter, why would you even bring it up in the first place?
>>11927848Legitimately retarded autism about on par with the kingdom debacle.
>>11927749>last time this happened the leaker DID get firedif you mean the POTP/Studio Series leak, Raffy Rodríguez never got fired. He had a few years at Hasbro afterward, though maybe you could argue the role change had something to do with what happened.
>>11927705I wish we could do the reverse: please don't post shit made by people with severe mental disorders, as their work disturbs those of us who are wired properly.
>>11927734that, plus the purple and black one!>>11927742
>>11927815and his thighs. and the rest of him
This is the best Megatron design in years. Really hope they get around to giving it something more than a deluxe class figure some day.
>>11927769The voices in his head.
>>11927865We already have a really good MegatronThe ES one was so unbearably ass of a figure and the design wasn't too strong to start with
>>11927877That's just G1 Megatron.
>>11927878True but he feels IDW/Earthrise/Modern enough and it's a surprisingly good figure
>>11927851lmao this guy was around during the kingdom leak, this is the dude who’s doxx was on the toy color scorponok leak. bro got his revenge in the end
Do they still do KOs of Classics Optimus Prime? Thats the figure that got me into collecting 20 years or so ago. But was hoping to maybe find an oversized KO or some fun colorways
>>11927912so like, can they get you for leaking? if so, why ever leak? it's not like you make money.
>>11927924It depends on who you are and what you did. You can get sued for a variety of reasons. If you stole them with the express purpose of hurting their profit and leaking their secrets in service of another company (like for example Mattel) then you could be charged with a corporate espionage charge.
>>11927848Holy based
>>11927925why the fuck then?The only leaks I understand are the ones where something is being censored or held hostage by the studio, and the leak is the only way we're gonna see it.
>>11927417Ain't no way I was gonna trapse all over the place hunting down all three, the nearest Target is over an hour from me ffs. What are they going for anyway, like $45? I got the KOs for $20 and some change.
>>11927933They do it for eclout and attention. You used to have some that would just dump it anonymously and move on but now its all about trickling shit out for a dopamine hit.
>>11927948e-clout? what is this, 2002?
>>11927812>Katoki'd
>>11927848It was wreckgar? Holy shit
>>11927966new arm rule:if you can't touch your own shoulder (assuming your elbow bent more), your forearms are too small. a hand is not just something you carve into the end of the forearm, it has to stick out.
>>11927705If you told me that one of those combiner teams was a high-dollar, crowd-funded, prestige online exclusive and the other 4 were regular retail, I would not be able to say which is the exclusive. That is fucking sad.
>>11927999Surely you'd guess it was the one that isn’t G1
>>11927999>prestigeThat's the mistaken belief people keep giving HasLab
>>11927205FINALLY!! AFTER YEARS OF SHITPOSTING IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!! I'M SO FUCKING HAPPY!!!!
>>11928003they did it way back in 2010
>>11927999to be fair, they're all expensive as all fuck
>>11927964With the rise of discord servers, people have gone back to small groups that worship each other for having insider information. Earlier this year there was a whole big thing about people holding onto video game leaks and keeping it within their friend circle. >>11927924I suppose Hasbro could threaten legal action to try and get them to reveal who they got their info from.
>>11928017not everyone has been collecting for 16+ years, anon.
>>11927999It was never premium pricing though. You were paying for 7 voyagers that they didn't want to waste retail slots on because they were Japanese G1.>Voyagers cost 42 dollars>42.99x7=300.93I think realistically a Haslab should be a premium product but you're not paying actual premium prices for these.
>>11928020It still happened before
>>11928022But that was a G1 styled Lugnut. Its a great figure but Lugnot's Animated figure is notorious for being a disappointment due to its size. The new figure is an Animated-styled Leader-class toy and should be properly sized.
>>11928003>>11928017THE GLORY
>>11927999Those are mine. It's not about "prestige", it's about a character that wouldn't get fucking made otherwise. The other 4 are all quality figures so I also don't know how much more "prestigious" you needed Liokaiser to be.
>>11928023>It's Animated-styledI'll reserve judgement until we get real photos/renders. Because this AI one has too many differences from the actual TFA design for me to consider it so.Yeah it's TFA-inspired, but the legs, chest, pelvis, and even the hazard stripes on the arms are different.
I hope those two new comstructicons are real. It's a little crazy we haven't had a steamroller and a wrecking truck yet.
>>11928024I love this lil nigga so much. I am so glad I bought him before he became expensive. I really want a Clobber to pair with him. I liked Clobber she was fun. And she can be mold buddies with Strika.
>>11928023I'd say it was closer to a pseudo-Bayverse aesthetic than G1, but still, your point stands.
>>11928033I just want more construction vehicles in general. I feel like alt molds aren't as diverse as they were in the 00s. I want some new characters from vehicles we've never seen before. Where is my school bus? Can we get a Tux figure?
>>11928036I think he purposefully rides the line.
>>11928024As much as I love this guy, he's too small to give glorious praise.
>>11928024This was a cool figure, but losing he big bomber arms always felt like a downgrade to me. It's also kinda weird they chose not to make him anywhere close to purple. I get they were trying to do movie "realism" but at least a grey-purple tone might've worked. Still, I like it way more than Takara's which was just kinda gaudy looking. Rare case of Hasbro doing it better, especially since United was full of amazing decoes. More urple, sure, but the purple head is less Animated faithful, and the light gold/ beige color was ugly.
>>11928044perhaps it's the difficulty in giving him decent wings when his bombs become arms, and perhaps it's because there's no logic to bombs being arms, since.. he'd have to be able to detach them and explode them, right?
>>11928035>>11928043>>11928044We should have got more Animated and others into Movieverse style. I genuinely did like the Lockdown too
>>11927201>>11927209>>11927214Ignoring everything else, you can tell it's AI because the guy in charge of photographing these can't pose for shit lol
>>11928044Dog penis
>>11928060Heh, I see it
>>11928048Or he could P.O.K.E. someone.
>>11928036>I'd say it was closer to a pseudo-Bayverse aesthetic than G1People foirgot that CHUG used to have an actual aesthetic to the point where a slight amount of detail is seen as "Bayverse" the absolute state of this place
>>11927761>KUALA LUMPUR>PYGMIES, BUDGIES>KUALA LUMPUR
>>11927434It took until the the 2010s for me to realize "The Mario" is based on mimicking his walk cycle frames in the videogame.
>>11928082Take that shit to /mtg/ - marching things general anon>they're often in disguiseFUCK
>>11928078It's more than just "a slight amount of detail." That Lugnut figure, as great as it was, is absolutely not in the traditional CHUG aesthetic. He came out during the Reveal the Shield line which was about half CHUG figures, and half Bayverse-style figures continuing on from where the Hunt for the Decepticons line left off. Some of the Bay-influenced toys from this included Mindset, Fallback, Deep Dive, Chopsaw, and Strafe. As for Lugnut himself, he always felt like an adaptation of an Animated design translated into a live action movie aesthetic. Like many of the toys of characters who didn't actually appear in the movies, he doesn't go super overboard into the Bayverse aesthetic, and actually maintains some resemblance to the character he's based on. Again, he's a great toy, so I don't mean this as any slight against him, but he definitely ain't in the CHUG aesthetic, and it's because of much more than just a little bit of detail.
>>11928024One of mine was missing a calf screw so I never really fiddled with it much. It held together but it was so rare at the time I never looked for a replacement.
>>11927205How the front of the cockpit is shaped reminds me of blackout. Inevitable retool?
>>11928049Considering the transformation on-screen, this should not be difficult to make in the slightest. Zero wizardry required.
>>11928092Bayformers has a VERY distinct and particular aesthetic. Lugnut does not fit the mold of that particular aesthetic. The head is too clean, the sculpted details are even and symmetrical. I don't think you remember what the CHUG figures looked like which in actuality was just the aesthetic of contemporary mecha. Generations Perceptor has similar details as well.Bayformers goes all in on making faces plated, hyper mechanical details like multiple pistons and divets and parts are typically made out of multiple pieces to emphasise the fact they're more alien. Lugnut leans far closer to contemporary mecha. I see what people mean when people say that transformers fans have a very pigeon holed understanding of their franchise and it's influences. People see a figure with more detail and yell "Bayformers" or see something flat and yell "G1" instead of actually understanding the intent.>Mindset, Fallback, Deep Dive, Chopsaw, and Strafe.This is like saying that figures like that Jazz that were released in the same toyline were "Bayformers" not to mention these are all repaints from the prior toyline (Note that Lugnut got a United release and the rest didn't)
this guy's down to old voyager prices, should I pull the trigger or hope he gets even cheaper?
>>11928152No matter what happens you're going to be Overcharge'd
>>11928152Might have gotten this guy if he didn't have th Deception emblem.
>>11928152i actually got to pay deluxe price for them.
>>11928158surely you could just remove it with the right strength of acetone, alcohol, or sandpaper?
>>11927544Lugnut wasn't even really good back then either. He was a product of Hasbro being far more conservative with making too many large pricepoint figures a year.
>>11927690What the fuck?>>11927858>I wish we could do the reverse: please don't post shit made by people with severe mental disorders, as their work disturbs those of us who are wired properly.I'd rather they get involuntarily medicated, or if that's not possible, no internet access.
>>11928024I still have this guy and love him. I want the new Leader class one but I wonder if they can really make a new leader bigger than this, while also being as beefy as Lugnut needs to be. Always thought Lugnut would fit perfectly as a Commander, a little bigger than Ultra Magnus.
>>11928165I have the Atomic redeco and I kinda love him as a toy but he's way too small.
>>11928190Also while it's kind of a neat weapon I never like large parts of the altmode becoming an "accessory" that he could barely hold, and even then he STILL had a hefty backpack kibble. That's the one thing I hope the new one can get right.
>>11927815This makes the tiny head way more obvious and bad
>>11928198I'll never understand why so many people want their robots to have huge, retarded bobbleheads. Is it a sunbow/tooner thing? A slightly smaller head makes a giant robot look more bulky and badass, actually.
>>11928215to an extent, too small and it's a pinhead, especially if it sticks out aesthetically. There's 38 episodes of an actual Japanese super robot show Leozack is in, his head isn't that small.
>>11928044>Rare case of Hasbro doing it better,Strong disagree. Always hated the washed-out colors of the Hasbro version. There are certainly times when a more muted color palette can suit a bot, but the giant, retarded, flying fortress cyclops is definitely not one of those times. Whenever I see the Hasbro version, it's just kind of a tragedy that such an ostentatious bot is so bland.>>11928217>IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE MY POORLY/INCONSISTENTLY DRAWN CARTOONsasuga. The toy's head is fine.
>>11928158>no no you see I NEED him to be a Quintesson drone because of the shitty retcon someone wrote for him on the back of a napkinI would rather have him as a new Decepticon, but you do you.
>>11928215>A slightly smaller head makes a giant robot look more bulky and badass, actually.I love super robots and I agree with this but as an owner of the Liokaiser Haslab I still think the flying guys heads are still a tad too small. It's even more noticeable because you're going to see the full team together most of the time and the other three have bigger heads, specially Jallguar. The inconsistency makes it more jarring.But it could be worse, at least they're an improvement over the G1 toys, kek.
>>11928218The model sheets from Victory are well drawn,though. I want it to look like that.
>>11928044>Still, I like it way more than Takara's which was just kinda gaudy looking.I prefer my Decepticons gaudy, thanks.
>>11928238derp, forgot pic. I forget what I initially paid for this guy, but when I got him in-hand, his jaw was broken, and looking back at the listing photos, the crack was already there. I mentioned it to the seller and he just refunded me like 70% of the price, no questions asked. I actually felt kinda bad, especially because it was a fairly easy fix.
>>11928237Ignore her. She gets mad people like animation so she'll call every cartoon and anime ever made poorly drawn. She's our resident troll.
>>11928218>>11928240I don't mind colorful, I like Animated Lugnut's colors, United's colors are just kind of random and clashing to me. I think it's the champagne gold that feels out of place. Animated Lugnut's colors are very colorful but in a pleasing way.
>>11928158toyhax to the rescue??
>>11928134The design team at the time did say that a lot of the 2010/ROTS stuff was meant to be sort of a hybrid Movie/Classic style I agree it leans towards Universe/Generations of the era, but even Universe 2.0 tried to lean into some movie influence(realistic vehicle modes, more complex engineeringI kinda see it like Hasbro/Takara's take on what they wish the movie stuff would've been like.
>>11928244>I think it's the champagne gold that feels out of placeI think that's actually my favorite part. It's a color I wish we saw more often.
>>11928227>shitty retcon someone wrote for him on the back of a napkinDumb nigger, the original E-Hobby figure was explicitly a Quintesson product and came with a sticker sheet of faction labels. Literally kill yourself.
The monkey's paw curled for Cryotek anon
>>11928262>he thinks he knows ballThat was the retcon you fucking retard. Created to "explain" the multiple Blitzwings in the season 3 intro (instead of writing it off as Akom errors) and to give a fanwank backstory to how he remembered the Quintessons in Five Faces of Darkness.Never speak out of turn to me again you fucking autist or I'll slap the shit out of you.
>>11928277How do you know that person upset at the Decepticon symbol didn't want it there because it's the Diaclone colors which wouldn't have a faction symbol?
>>11928281because he has been talking to himself. The samfagging here has always been out of control.
Fans fixed the Legacy Prime Arcee mold
>>11928293But where's the Airachnid to go with it so you can recreate Pink Energon.
>>11928281Did you read this embarrassment of a post here anon? >>11928262 He says it himself.
>>11928293sexoooooooo
>>11928293>nose
>>11928134>This is like saying that figures like that Jazz that were released in the same toyline were "Bayformers"I listed those as examples. Did you miss the part where I said there was also half of the toys that were in the CHUG aesthetic? Listing the ones who had Bayverse-styled designs in no way whatsoever is "like saying" the CHUG ones are Bayverse too. But if that's the embarrassingly bad argument you're making, I can see why you'd have a hard time with actual logic.
>>11928218Can't believe people want their anime figgy to look accurate to the anime.........
>>11928273Why didn’t they make the ultra rare for Optimal Optimus be Primal Prime to complement Cryotek? Though reissuing Dino mode Grimlock seems wasteful, but it makes sense as the Dinobots skipped Defender wave 5. I’m curious if they’re doing a Defender version of Super Armada Optimus since he doesn’t come with his trailer. Finally, I wonder how they’re gonna handle some of the 13 primes like Nexus (next combiner or just his base form) and Amalgamous.
>>11928247>TFW have him lost somewhere in storage along side a 07 Lognarm for some reasonMan>>11928293This looks actually so fucking awfulchrist
>>11928247I need someone to make a big proper remake of this toy. An Overgear maybe.
>>11928154Hey'O!
>>11928353Only if the limbs don't fall the fuck off so easily this time around, classics Galvatron sucked.
>>11928293>fixed>Grotesque hyper proportions that are totally inaccurate to Arcee's canon athletic build >Face is completely wrong>Absolutely no way that thing can even transform Sure, totally fixed. Now kill it with fire.
>>11928273Well, it's more than what Hasbro's giving us, so I'll take it. Plus he comes with Chro, which is cool.
My Red Alert pack arrived and the minicons are all pretty good, they did a fine job with them. My favorite's Leader-!, I would be happy if they put out his Galvatron and Megazarak matching colors.
>>11928078I feel like it's more acceptable to just not remember stuff like that here than most elsewhere.
>>11928367A hinge on the back to let the back wheels flip up like you do for Earthrise Optimus grill/front tiresImagine
>>11928171that is, unfortunately, probably the only way this could be solved, yeah.but by the time we get there, if we ever even could get there, they will massively outnumber us. and there's no IQ qualifications for voting, so.. we're about to see an autismocracy. Can't wait to be told "why don't you just not want food, old man?"
>>11928248sure, but champagne-and-green. or champagne-and-purpleAll three? all three is pushing it. and then you add red on top of that, fuckit, we're done. champagne-red-purple would have been okay, but that's it.
>>11928293>I Like Big AutoButts And I Cannot Lie!
>>11928355was there a videogame where you fought a giant decepticon logo? that is hilarious.
>>11928383You don't know?
>>11928385nta but isn't that game infamously terrible?
>>11928387According to the AVGN it is.
>>11928247>realistic vehicle modesTransformers from it's very inception has had realistic vehicle modes.
>>11928387Yes it is.
>>11928385I knew once, I just forgot.>>11928387old old games like that are rarely good. they were doing their best.
>>11928355>>11928385Damn, now I'm actually a bit tempted to buy that stupid Megs. I have an extra Magnus that could go with him.That Magnus also has a shitty funny MUGEN character.
>>11928330I think you're deliberately refusing to understand what I'm saying. The CHUG figures all have a united counterpart which is a dead giveaway but literally just looking at the figure for at least 3 seconds you can tell it's not a "bayverse design" Hell I realized this when I was collecting them in middle school. What is it with this place and retards so proudly flexing their stupidity
>>11928215Tiny head is bad, so is head being too bigHope this helps
>post how a figure is on discount on a website and I got it>ummm you know it's like 5 dollars cheaper at Ross?!?!Why do people act like every Ross is stocked with every figure at all times
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>>11928395There were good old games and good old IP games from around the same time. The Mystery of Convoy game is just a mess.
>>11928391I mean compared to classics, which had a mix of realistic vehicles and vaguely Sci-fi/futuristic ones like Hot Rod(yes I know of the Dome Zero), Jetfire or Megatron. The order of Universe2.0, at least initially, was to make characters who had futuristic altmodes like Galvatron or Kup get modern day alt modes. They became more lax with that after the first few waves, but it still pops up a bit in Generations 2011.
>>11928411in '86? I would argue that genuinely fun, unfrustrating 8bit games kinda started in '88
>>11927206I'm glad I bought that Transarts TM Megatron. This thing looks like absolute DOGSHIT
>>11928422I doubt the real thing will look much better than this imaginary mockup, too.
>>11927349Ok, well, you're wrong. Season 1- 11 episodesSeason 2- 13 EpisodesSeason 3- 9 EpisodesAnd he spends all of 2 and most 3 as TM1 Megatron. you could have googled that to confirm but you're too dumb of a faggot
>>11928426What kind of gaynigger retard are you? Beast Wars S1 was 26 episodes and the other two were 13 each.
>>11928367They willin 2035
>>11928024Someone sell me on this guyt. have him, found him just "ehhh"
>>11928024>>11928463Also pushing/pulling on his tail for the transformation always scares the piss out of me
>>11928349The real reason to include a new Grimlock is that the original came out before they decided to commit to making Volcanus the Dinibot combiner. So they had to remake Grimlock so he can combine with the others and the requisit kit
>>11927391>TM Megatron is his most remembered lookabsolutely not in the grand scheme of things, the Season 1 T.Rex is more recognized and iconic, there's a reason all the homages use that look most.
>>11928426>you could have googled thatholy dunnig krueger kek.
>>11928483You know what? it doesn't matter, the reality Transmetal megatron is a beloved appearance for the character. Sure, he may not be as iconic as his season 1 appearance, but he's a DAMN SIGHT more iconic than the stupid Dragon Megatron , who got his own mold (and retarded hasbro didn't even have the half a brain cell to repaint it as Cryotek)making TM Megatron out of the Kingdom mold just goes to show how cheap Hasbro has become. Because it just doesn't work. The T-Rex head is NOT part of his arms in the Transmetal mode. Like, the Tail, I can overlook, because he wields it as a lance/whip/blaster in the show. But that T-Rex head isn't even supposed to be VISIBLE in robot mode
>>11927391I agree with you. I haven't seen Beast Wars since it aired but I distinctly remember Rampage and TM1 Megs, and all the crazy plort twists and G1 connections that led to TM1 Megs blowing up Optimus' head and causing a time paradox. I really want that huge Optimus to recreate that episode. I don't know why Hasbro and parts of the fandom never cared about the designs from the best season.
>>11928494All I remember is them trying and failing to be Loony Tunes
>>11928496What do you mean?
>>11928387>>11928383>>11928385The game was so bad Transformers Alternity had a comic that recreated the game where it was an endlessly looping hell dimension for Ultra Magnus
>>11928496You clearly never actually watched the show. The characters would occasionally rib each other, but the show was never a comedy. Well, not the original English run, anyway - we don't talk about the Japanese joke redub.
>>11928492the t-rex head comes off, that was the first thing confirmed. it's for the combiner, but it also helps with the robot mode I guess.
>>11928498>>11928501anon is referring to the random, out of nowhere gags Mainframe would do, possibly pressured by the network to lighten things up a little, where suddenly squash-and-stretch rules apply, or robots can be shredded up like paper, or other goofy shit like that. it doesn't ruin the show, and anon is obviously lying about that being 'all he remembers' but it was very out of place. Much like the 'scary face powers' element in Mummies Alive, purely to sell weird action figures.
>>11928492TM1's Megatron design was so cool. It was like his trex head became his chest, but in the process it split open or something to become organic. The toys head was stored in his torso too. I really want to give the new one a chance but the AI mockup is really baffling. His legs aren't supposed to be all purple wtf.
>>11928503Oh I thought he meant something with transmetals specifically. I do remember Cheetor was going to have a glowing heart like Astroboy, it's dtill even kind of on the toy
>>11928501The show was always a comedy. The Japanese dub just made it a Japanese comedy.
BWII was funny as fuck
>>11927206TM2 Megs looking kinda lengthy
>>11928515>TM2Fuck, TM1
>>11928513Yeah I enjoyed it so much I went and got a gen selects god neptune. I really hope they do a new clawjaw/scuba toy in the future, but I can't see it happening any time soon.
>>11928517I think we will when they do Piranacon in like 2032.
>>11928512You never watched the show.
>>11928504>>11928515Well, again, it's a mockup. A stand-in until they have an actual prototype or render. It's not representative of what the final product will look like.
>>11928505ohh yeah, I can see how you got mixed up there. Yeah they had a lot of weird ideas they didn't follow up on.
>>11928515the one thing it gets right is the tragic fact that the t-rex head is WAY too small on Kingdom, and thus the arm looks stumpy.this was true of TM1's original toy and show model with the beast mode head, but of course it didn't become the arm. I do not understand why so many beastformers have shrunken beast heads lately.
>>11928492I do agree it's still beloved, it's my pwn favorite form for him next to the Botcon TM3 version, but I've made my peace that Season 1 is always going to be the most merchandisedI kinda suspect someone at HasTak really pushed for the dino head/tail look since the TM2 and Beast machines version both had it. I wouldn't be surprised if that's why this one has it too.I hold out some hope that they'll eventually revisit the BW Transmetals in a Kingdom style line. Kingdom wasn't a BW anniversary so these decisions are random sometimes.
>>11928527>I do not understand why so many beastformers have shrunken beast heads lately.It's done so that they don't take up a massive amount of space in robot mode. Remember that the show cheated a lot by making parts change size as characters transformed; the original toys, on the other hand, tended to look a bit awkward in robot mode because of how big those heads were. Take Airazor's original toy here as an example - the bird head looks proportionate in Beast Mode, but it takes up her entire upper torso and juts WAY too far off of her body in robot mode; the show made the bird head flatten out and shrink a bit so that she actually had a visible upper torso. Modern Transformers toys tend to prioritize the robot mode over the alt mode, so the best way to make her robot mode look accurate to the show was to shrink the beast head. Primal, Megatron, Silverbolt, Tigatron, and even Magmatron and Filch all ended up in a similar situation for the same reason - the heads were too big in robot mode and either hindered articulation (Megatron's and Magmatron's dino heads) or would have interfered with the ability to completely hide away for the robot mode transformation (Primal and Silverbolt). The two Rathalos Primes also suffer from this - they wanted to prioritize the "Optimus Prime in Rathalos Armor" look more than the actual Rathalos form, so they got comically tiny heads (and stubby tails); it also doesn't help that the Kingdom Airazor mold was a poor choice for a Rathalos retool to begin with.
>>11928367They JUST sent me a shipping notif for mine earlier today but hasnt actually shipped yet. I need it now, hasbro aaaa
>>11928534>Botcon 'TM3'you mean the recolor of Devil Gigatron or whatever?>>11928538>It's done so that they don't take up a massive amount of space in robot mode.yes but, in each case, the head SHOULD take up more space in robot mode. So that makes no sense. Your argument's just wrong. airazor's original toy's chest looks perfect, and that's how it was in the show. the new one has to create little.. sides-of-a-torso for the head to snuggle in between.in every single example you mentioned, bigger beast mode head would have looked better.. except the MH one, yeah, that was doomed from the start.though I think Tigatron's head was fine. Silverbolt also.. well, he had a tiny head in the show and original toy anyway, so i'm okay with it, but it's pushing it.
>>11928542>airazor's original toy's chest looks perfect, and that's how it was in the show.No? It was flattened in robot mode so it didn't jut six feet in front of her like it did on the toy, and the shape actually changed to conform to her entire upper torso instead of having it cover the whole thing. The same thing happened with Cheetor and Tigatron - the toy heads stuck out so far the characters realistically wouldn't have been able to reach around them, so the show models shrank and flattened them; the modern toys can't pull that kind of voodoo, so they just settled for making the heads small overall so they'd be less obtrusive.
>>11928544the top of a falcon's head is flat, just like it was in the toy. At most, you could recess it into the body a little, which would simply require a better hinge or a deeper hole.I'm okay with Kingdom's choice for the cat chests, though Cheetor could have used some fake torso expansion like Airazor got.I feel I need to repeat this, they did not make cheetor or tigatron's beast heads unusually small. Those are the right sizes. Although some tigers get fluffier and thicker around the neck, for sure, and Tigatron IDEALLY is one of those.
>>11928542Yeah, amazing piece. I wanted it since the cancelled deco was revealed back in the 2000's. Probably the best BW Megatron headsculpt we've gotten too.
>>11928567i've seen this mold a million times, but I had no idea it was so comely.. literally only issues in robot mode are the tiny hands, popeye forearms, and the dragon claws just hanging off. Badass.
>>11928534>I hold out some hope that they'll eventually revisit the BW TransmetalsJust so long as they don't doom them to an eventual degradation into glitter by using vacmetal bits like the originals.
>>11928568It looks a bit odd in that picture due to the perspective but in person the dragon claws hug his waist pretty snugly and the hands are a decent size.
>>11928570sorry I meant the ones on his hands.
>>11928571Oh my bad. Well you can at least flip them out to make them cool claw weapons.
>>11928567Iirc, the little tie-in comic that came with him had this be his original body back at the end of the Autobot/Decepticon war; his failed attempt to seize control in the power vacuum had him shipped off to a maximum security prison, where he was forcibly downgraded into the ICBM tank body he has when he gets released and starts working as a thug for Cryotek. So he goes from two-headed red dragon, to ICBM tank, to purple T-Rex, to metallic purple T-Rex, to one-headed red dragon, to completely organic wolf/lindwurm, to giant floating head, to disembodied spark, to a Diagnostic Drone, and finally to Optimal Optimus minus the ape mode. That's a total of 9 bodies excluding his stint as just a Spark; I think that's a record for most bodies used by a single incarnation of a given character.>>11928568I own the Devil Gigatron version of that mold - the robot hands aren't as small as they look here, it's just that his forearms are massive due to having to fit both a pair of dragon feet and a pair of functioning wheels on them.
>>11928572that's just what i was thinking i'd do! s'what I did for Bluebolts's OSKOhilarious now that if I can get some money, I'll be buying her at normal size...
>>11928568Seeing the Gigatron toy on ebay back in 2000 or so blew my mind as a kid. I wish we got more designs like it, it does feel like the next evolution from Best Wars Transmetals. >>11928569I doubt they'd have the budget for vacmetal anyway. Tigerhawk and TM2 Megatron clearly show they're not considering it for Transmetals. >>11928573Yeah the backstory is pretty convoluted, I guess you can see it as his TM2 power up sort of restoring aspects of his original body. That said I got so used to thinking of it as TM3 Megatron it's hard to shake off. In my head he's a post-Beast Machines Megatron who got wrapped up in the Universe battles and stole a dead Gigatron's body and made it his own. Fights Universe Optimus Primal. I just like to think they're still out fighting somewhere.
>>11928573Beast Machines is a hell of a drug
I really want an updated Crumplezone but I just don't think it'll ever happen. I guess a Ransack to go with him would be nice too but I just really love Crumplezone. I never owned the original toy is it worth it?
>>11928585>I guess you can see it as his TM2 power up sort of restoring aspects of his original body.I mean, it kinda makes sense - everyone who became a TM2 (other than Cheetor) basically died and came back to life; in Megatron's case, Tarantulas killed him by punting him into the lava, and he was basically reborn as his old self (or something close to it - that Botcon body even has a one-headed dragon mode mixed in there).
>>11928586I think Beast Machines could have been okay if the writers had handled the concept better. Like Silverbolt being mentally broken from his time as Jetstorm is a fine concept but they don't execute it well. Same with Primal going a bit off rails. I think that's fine in theory, I do like how Cheetor challenges him and begins to step up and push back, but the show also kind of justifies Primal's viewpoint a bit too much. I think Rattrap feeling useless is a great idea too but the writers didn't know how to characterize him. On the toy front the aesthetic was really fucking ugly and there was no salvaging any of it.
>>11928592>On the toy front the aesthetic was really fucking ugly and there was no salvaging any of it.Correction: the Maximal toys were hideous. The Vehicons looked just fine, and were more or less a return to form from beasts to vehicles again.
>>11928593Yeah I gotta agree. My mind was on the Maximals and beast characters. The Vehicons were fine and they had some overall great designs.
>>11928592I have always held that Beast Machines deserves a complete teardown, redo, from scratch. using, at most, 20% of the same elements. I strongly urge them to forget 'technorganic' bullshit. at most, have them take organic beast forms but suggest they are now more integrated than before. can more efficiently utilize organic food, affects personality more without going nuts if you stay in beast mode too long, etc.
>>11928594the vehicons looked weird as fuck in the show, though. vehicles with weird, emotive heads, and then their robot modes were barely robots, and had even weirder heads.
>>11928599>and then their robot modes were barely robotsWhat are you talking about? They were easily the most robotic and alien a Transformer has ever looked - they just didn't look like the "metal humans" you're used to, and instead looked more industrial, like real-life robots you'd see at a factory or assembly line. I think it was a good look for 'em.
>>11928600sorry, i meant 'robot' in the sense of 'the thing a transformer becomes'the inexplicably humanlike aliens that happen to be made of jointed metal. THAT kind of robot.don't get me wrong, I love non-humanoid robot modes, but they should be more creative than 'the vehicle mode didn't change that much'
>>11928600I do too. Also I think the more emotive and animated heads made them uncanny, which is what the show was aiming for. It worked well.
a weird, WEIRD jet with like, a 'neck 'on it, turning into a guy with ... like, jet engine air intakes for shoulders, a big jet engine for his entire lower body, and two big jet engine pylon things for his arms, with kinda thin flaps with hinged claws coming off of them, masquerading as hands... that's not very fun or interestingnow if a TANK turned into that, that's creative. and in turn, if the jet could manage to turn into a brutish chunk of a guy, that's cool too. but he shouldn't have weird stumpy kneeless legs and wristless claws poking out of stubby forearms, y'dig?
>>11928602I think that was the point though. The vehicons were sort of inversed-more anthropomorphic altmodes and more robotic robot modes. They don’t feel like traditional transformers and it works, they’re perversions of the form.
>>11928387It's infamous with the kuso-game community. So bad they re-made it into a japan exclusive mobile game and a weird tie-in with Q-Transformers.
>>11928604> a weird, WEIRD jet with like, a 'neck 'on itI really think the whole beast machines name came from them wanting the machines to literally be beast like. Ironically the show emphasizes they were entirely nonorganic
>>11928629Its kind of funny since TransTech would have been a complete hard reversal of the organic-elements of Beast Machines. A shame that toyline didn't happen. I really love the look of the Starscream figure. I guess it worked out okay though since we got RiD01 and the UT. Maybe they can dig all this shit out of the archive and do it on the sandbox line.
>>11928632He remind me a lot of machine wars starscream especially in vehicle mode
>>11928626indeed. I get the idea. Just did not love that execution, and it was a major letdown in a show like,the transformations in Beast Wars were incredible. you could follow them with the eye, they felt a lot like the toys but with more details a toy could never pull off, parts springing into place, etcthen Machines gives us the goofy magic transformations that take all that work off of the animators, letting them simply shrink one model while growing the other... so you think, okay, at least the Vehicons will have a fun transformation, right?naw, they basically do 'Attack Packs' and part of the vehicle stands up.>>11928629see and I'm super okay with that, I love bestial mecha. especially aircraft. but that... isn't it. at all.>>11928632yeah he came out of it looking the best of all the transtech designs I can recall.
>>11928593Some of the non-show Maximals are alrightI'm really taken with Skydive and Longhorn for reasons I can't fully articulate
>>11928637Man I loved the Beast Hunters shit. Its a shame the show's writers wanted basically nothing to do with that concept. Predaking was a pretty shitty toy though despite every other dragon Predacon being solid. Hope they redo him.
>>11928639Beast Hunters was definitely a timeI'm slightly enamored with the schism between the toy team and the show team, it's just kind of fascinating.Also in the whole Transformers franchise Prime Predaking is the only one I'm down bad for
>>11928637they look good from some angles, but skydive here looks way more bizarre if you try to articulate the legs..>>11928639right? it was a WEIRD thing for transformers to do, but still cool.I was disappointed that all the dragons just had stand-up transformations, and none had really good joints or whatever.
>>11928637Battle Unicorn and Night Viper were pretty good.
>>11928642>all the dragons just had stand-up transformationsI think I'm willing to forgive it since for most of them it meant they had solid dragon modes. Quite a few have pretty bad joints though. I also appreciate that characters like Smokescreen and Shockwave released with armor so they had a standard figure. I think it would have been easy to give fans the middle finger and just do Hunter versions.
>>11928645But I don't *have* those ones, so I can't appreciate them
I honestly like a lot of the beast machines toys. Despite their show inaccuracy as toys there are a lot fewer true stinkers in the line than you'd expect from it's reputation. It's just a shame that nearly the entire line was made out of some of the most poorly aged materials possible.
>>11928646yeah, as long as the removable armor isn't just kibble to throw in a bag, it's a welcome, if unusual, addition to transformers.>>11928645So close to a great toy.. still good.I will say, I liked BM's clever use of clear plastic to make them look like a brand new thing, distinct from the previous lines, and 'newer'>>11928650wait really? was the clear plastic fragile? I thought that was a more recent issue. old BW clear plastic was fine, I know that.
>>11928651Clear plastic is always weaker than it's opaque counterpart no mater the era, it's just the degrees to which is a problem that's different. I've personally been through several hammerstrikes and deluxe primals. I don't think I've seen an intact nightscream in years, not that anyone would want that thing. Plus a lot of flaky chrome and some gps in the line too for good measure.
>>11928652Yeah this ain't my first Mirage
>>11928652hard, hard disagree. the clear plastic I grew up on was tougher than any non-clear plastic by a wide margin. hurt a lot worse if you hit somebody with it, too. it was almost ... amber-like.If that happened in Beast Machines then it was a relatively new occurrence. All of my transparent Beast Wars guys are still fine, and they've been jumbled together in a box (all their chrome is too, but I have started moving the chrome guys to shelves just in case)The only breakage I ever had was the typical break on Scorponok's claws, rendering the launching mechanism nonfunctional. Technically those are translucent I suppose, but also swirly shiny, so I think the combination of the two was a problem.
>>11928651>was the clear plastic fragile?Dunno - I've had Battle Unicorn, Skydive, that first show-inaccurate blue Primal, Mirage, the first Tankor, and Crystal Widow (who actually came later but is still made of clear plastic and uses the BM Blackarachnia mold) for years now, and they're all in as good of condition as they were when I got them despite years of use. Night Viper, too, but he's one of the rare Maximals that has no clear plastic; likewise, Magna Stampede (the Universe repaint of Battle Unicorn) is still in great shape, too, though he also has no clear plastic. The only two characters that I had issues with are Scavenger and the first Thrust - neither of who use clear plastic - and even then, it's just that their arms have gotten a little floppy.
>>11928655oh yeah, floppiness was absolutely a problem back then. I don't think you can avoid that with ball joints.
>>11928646I'm willing to forgive the simplistic transformations just because they gave us a dragon waifu....I need to dig mine out of storage, but I'm a little scared of how her rubber tail has held up over the years...
>>11928634It’s because that was the most recent Starscream toy Hasbro had, so Draxhall Jump used it as reference instead of Starscream's G1 toy
>>11928589>I really want an updated Crumplezone >I never owned the original toy is it worth it?Anon Cybertron is basically just one long toy advertisement. The original toys are almost 1 to 1 accurate to the show models.The original Crumplezone toy is the best Crumplezone toy that will ever be made, ever. I own it, it's one of my favourites from the line. Any new toy won't have the same gimmicks and the only improvement they could make is adding ankle tilts.
>>11928676I'd maybe like some wrists and opening fingers
>TFW Want TR Sixshot>$70-90 rangeIs he worth it?
>>11928701He's mostly a brick, but if he's complete and undamaged, it's your call
>>11928593>>11928637The Maximal toys get considerably better if you consider they're likely meant to feel sort of Evangelion-like, something the show just didn't really get. I think the ugly show designs really affect how people think of the toys because they think of the weirdly fleshy, soft CGI models instead of the more sleek feeling toys.
>>11928708I love freaksevery now and then I consider getting the original optimus primal toy just because of that cool battle mask
>>11928708I mentioned this before but Transformers designs are based on what mecha was typically popular at that time. In the late 90s stuff like Guyver, Evangelion, Escaflowne and more organic body horror esque designs were in so the designs take heavily from that
>>11928632This design always reminds me of the VF-4.
>>11928632I want this so bad. I for one loved the translucent plastics they used in Beast Machines, transluscent plastics which still hold up btw. >>11928637BM maximals as a whole I think are overly hated; but then most are looking at the show designs which I guess is fair. The toys however had some pretty good Maximals. The origonal balck and blue Optimus Primal is really cool, Buzzsaw and Skydive are awesome, Snarl is good (get the Universe variant though!) And so is the guy who turned into a wolf. Longhorn is ok but a little too simplistic for.my tastes, but his nose ring IS actually metal.
>>11928721Or were at least. The American lead stuff since 2007 doesn't, and I'd say even the UT went more for nostalgia/throwback style after Car Robots was more in line with then-modern mecha. It doesn't surprise me that Takara's kinda given upon US based shows since it's clear none of those since the 2000's resonate with their market. The design sensibility is just too far.
>>11928798To be fair, the US shows don't seem to resonate with the US markets either.
>still cant find studio starscream>still sold out
>>11928803True. It's a shame though, I think there's some cool ideas in the US animation since Animated but the styles are just kinda ugly or lame to me. Especially since Cyberverse, it all looks really cheap.
Are we going to see Megatron rising toys today?
>>11928815No, why would we?
>>11928820NTA- TFCon Orlando is running this weekend. I assume he forgot that they don't do Hasbro product previews at TF Con.
Give Blokees the Constructabot or Kre-o licenses and I bet they'd knock it out of the park.
>>11928798UT is pretty much just a continuation of the Braves stuff they had been making in the 90s in both engineering and style. It becomes really noticeable in the transformations e.g. Cybertron Hot Shot/Galaxy force Exillion being an evolution of Volfogg's design scheme and Galaxy Convoy looking somewhat similar in design to J-Decker (and Fire J-Decker in super mode)It really is a shame turbo nerds in the 2000s bashed those figures because "muh gimmicks" not realizing they're made to be fun kids toys.
Fucking hate Hasbro, everytime I decide that I'm done with TFs they announce some cool shit I want and I never leave
>>11928845what did they announce this time?
>>11928845>everytime I decide that I'm done with TFs they announce some cool shit I want and I never leaveClearly from Bizarro world
>>11928598It was clear by the time Transmetals came around, Hasbro was dipping its toes into doing vehicles again. They should have just skipped right to Transtech with heavily animal themed vehicles. Thematically, having the vehicles inly associated with the badguys was retarded in a series where that was the main selling point.
>>11928857MONKEE TRUKK was such a good design it ended up being the basis for WFC Prime.
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>>11928867>when making beast machines, the crew was told NOT to watch Beastwars
I'd be super down for new toys of the Beast Machines Vehicons. They're such out there designs and the original toys didn't capture their looks well.
>>11928857Aaron Archer basically said as much, when he got the TF design lead at the end of Beast Machines he said the Hasbro CEO of the time wanted him to go back to vehicles. Kenner was dissolved by then and Hasbro didn’t want much to do with Kenner projects.
>>11928869It really is odd to me we haven't gotten a new Strika. In an era where fembots are more prevalent you'd think we'd get her. She's appeared in multiple shows now and has become Beast Wars biggest legacy.
>>11928877>Beast Wars biggest legacy.I meant Beast Machines fuck.
>>11928871I just don't get why they thought any of what they wanted was a good idea. Even the name Beast Machines fits the Transtech aesthetic better.
>>11928868I wouldn't want to watch Beast Wars either.
>>11927336??????? TM1 is literally his most popular form.
>>11928890>UpdateI prefer the original form. Barney on roller skates is PBS material, not fit for Transformers.
>>11928877>It really is odd to me we haven't gotten a new StrikaYeah it is kind of odd. She was in BM, Animated, Cyberverse, AND prominently in IDW 2019. Her cybertronian altmode is just a big boxy tank with two barrels too, so its not like its hard to make. In fact, they could probably retool Megatronus/Unicron soldier into her pretty easily.
>>11927266Wow I didn't know fans were asking for the Transmetal figures to just be zero effort reuses of Kingdom molds, interesting.
>>11928853seriously. I don't buy too many new transformers but I bought basically nothing that came out this year and I don't get excited by leaks or announcements because they keep fucking everything up
So what's going to happen when everyone just skips out on this jank ass looking line to wait for actually accurate Studio Series versions instead and the line tanks?
>>11928899I'll probably grab Lugnut, Nightbird, and maybe g2 megs (to make another custom megaempress with) if he looks good. I'll have to see how these new constructions actually look later before I make a final decision.
>>11928862I've always been tempted by that Optimus, btw. Looks a little hollow in places but I feel like it's probably really fun to fiddle with.
>Starting to read thru -all- of IDW in order>Makes me realize how several characters just don't really have anything over 1-3 releases within that time08-2014 or so?We got like 2 Kups nearlyTho some Generations honestly were great and I remember them fondly
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>>11928869>I'd be super down for new toys of the Beast Machines Vehicons.We NEED a show-accurate Jetstorm. It still irks me that both Thrust and Tankor eventually got toys that resembled their show incarnations (and both Strika and Obsidian mostly looked like their models from the start), but we never got a proper Jetstorm at all.>>11928903>Looks a little hollow in placesIirc, his entire backside is hollow and open in truck mode. I think there was an upgrade kit that filled it all out.
>>11928905We NEED a new roadbuster, preferably leader class and bulky as all fuck. I'm certain they could make him BIG considering how simple his transformation is.
>>11928892>>11928921>>11928922Sorry, no toys for them. Enjoy another toy of Slopsinator the character nobody likes
>>11928922I grew to like Generations Roadbuster but it is kinda crazy we just never got anything else since
>>11928922I know he has some build problems but T30 Roadbuster (and T30 Whirl) were such great recreations of the original toys. If you want upgraded Roadbuster and Whirl there are Dorvack model kits now. A shame they didn't use the third mech from that show. Bonaparte Tulcas's robot mode isn't completely humanoid but its more humanoid than Ironhide and Ratchet so I don't get why it mattered.
>>11928922I think it might be a case similar to what happened Jetfire/Valkyrie. Where the design might be too close to the original anime.
>>11928921I get that Beast Machines is widely regarded as kind of a low point, but its really wild the only character ever revisited on a mainline was Tankor in the 20ish years Transformers has been nostalgia farming.>>11928924Waspinator was beloved. It was Terrorsaur no one gave a shit about.
>>11928905idgaf about IDW but a new roadbuster would be rad
>>11928293Post this on the fancy website and enjoy the show.
>>11928937Takara probably doesn't like doing the Takatoku characters since Bandai owns the rights to two of the three IPs. Jetfire is popular due to the UT and he has an out since Skyfire had a unique design in the cartoon. The Deluxe characters did not appear in the cartoon and only have their toy designs and designs directly inspired by their toy designs to make. Characters and molds owned fully by Takara and Hasbro will just always come first.
>>11927690Spam his feed with Keyan's comics until he kills himself.
>>11928922You know at least Roadbuster has a modern figure. Where the fuck are my Omnibots?
I have a thing for bots with capes and swords.>>11928410I ended up getting Bee over Cliffjumper and I kinda regret it because the giant cannon really clicks.
there's something about missing link that makes me want to shack them up with any random bot. like the mix of pre-G1 aesthetic and modern articulation makes for perfect bookends to anything else you wanna throw in.
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>>11928922>>11928941Kinda crazy how adding that detail of him scraping against the ceiling makes him so much more desirable
>>11928951Bee is kinda cute, I still need to get the Animation style 2 pack
>>11928947>Where the fuck are my Omnibots?Waiting for a capsule three pack of remolds of Datsun/Jazz/Smokescreen, Wheeljack/Battlecharger, and ???
>>11928954I really wish I'd gotten some of those Diaclone exosuits when I had the chance - I've been using my Mobile Fort Panzer Tactical Grander as a mobile base for my Missing Link crew and Shield D Prime, with my Horus Versaulter rounding out the bunch, and I really wish I had more Dianauts and shit to fill things out.
>>11928891The Transmetals are Microman style designs, Megatron is an Acroyear.
>>11928983In that case, he needs to borrow Wreck-Gar's nipple guns.
>>11928960Yeah the animation style ones are much better imo
>>11928879I think they were going for the BWII set up. The JP and US sides sort of bounced ideas back and forth, what with BMII Galvatron’s spark crystal and Dragon mode probably inspiring the Transmetal IIs
>>11928986Had I paint/customization abilities I'd get a second set for specific reasons
>>11928922>>11928937I’ve always thought a way around this is to base Roadbuster's vehicle mode more off the GI Joe VAMP in order to match Whirl taking cues from the Dragonfly
>>11928983Oh shit you're right that even explains why they have so my vac metallic plastic.
>>11928954Mixing lines like this to make teams for shelves is my favourite part of Transformers. Probably because a lot of RiD2015 and Universe were like that and probably more I'm forgetting.
>>11928659so many short torsos and legs that have to crumple up to make room.. but I get it.
>>11928892Its fucked up how Machine Wars is getting more toys than Transmetals and some characters from BM. Fucking who cares about Machine Wars? I get wanting molds that became MW molds but the original version of the molds or repaints were almost always better. Like RiD Towline, and G1 Skyquaks.
>>11928708I'm all for that! It's really just like, elbows need to be moved, limbs need to be extended or shortened, torsos have holes, etc
>>11928998Even the vehicle modes mostly just being beasts with some vehicle parts grafted isn’t far from those or the sci-fi land Diaclone stuff(like Tracks just having wings for his flying car modes). The old Takara DNA is all over everything before the movies.
>>11928719it does kinda feel like something Megatron might rig up, maybe he collected the pieces of Primal's old body, beefed it up with some cloning tech, and made a 15-foot-tall gorilla that turns into a hideous masked monster bot with a skull flail, and whose limbs BURST open to reveal weaponry.
>>11928939I loved them booooth.>>11928951that's a really nice cape, the wiring is perfect. . I usually roll my eyes at visible stitching on something meant to be scale like this, wouldn't have a visible hem... but god, those collar wrinkles.
>>11928990I think someone needs to take a deep dive into Beast Wars's development because a lot of it paints an interesting picture. Remember that the original Bat Optimus mold and the Machine War Jets originally meant for G2 were under the same patent, the proposed deco for one of the Jets says “Predicon (sic) Bushwackers”, the amount of late G2 toys with animal themed decos, on top of one of the BW McDonalds pitches was vehicle auto rollers based directly on the G2 ones leads me to believe that the original intent was to slowly introduce Beast into the line over time, alongside the vehicles, which probably inspired the mix found in BWII, the TMs, BM, and CR
>>11929003Because the new fans Bayshit bring into the fandom do not like or appreciate Beastformers. Hasbro left the Beast Wars characters to rot during Archer's time in charge and buried them as they recentered on vehicle alt modes which means you have multiple generations of fans who feels nothing for those characters now. The people nostalgic for Beast Wars have mostly moved on from this brand because short of Animated using the two most popular characters they were practically ignored until Kingdom finally acknowledged the characters and gave them new toys. But by then you had a bunch of new fags crying about not liking Beastformers just like you did during G1.Also every modern Beast Wars character shelfwarms. Tigertron shelfwarmed, Silverbolt shelfwarmed, the new Inferno shelfwarmed, TM2 Megatron shelfwarmed, various Kingdom versions of the characters wasted away on shelves. I love Beast Wars but Hasbro fucked it over by ignoring it for so long. Even with G1 at least they had Generations figures and the various name slaps and design homages. I love Beast Wars but its all fucked. Even the movie didn't get Bayfags to like the concept of Beastformers. We're lucky that we even get one new character a year.
>>11929012We do know beast Wars was going to be a G2 subline originally, the McDonald’s toys are marketed as such.Anthony Gaud, who worked in the toyline and later the show, did a history of Beast Wars panel at NY Comic Con a few years ago, there’s some coverage of that but it could really use more in depth coverage.
>>11929019>TigertronTigerhawk. Sorry.
>>11929019>the new Inferno shelfwarmed,Inferno was definitely not a shelfwarmer, he was only 1X per case.
>>11929020That honestly makes Machine Wars even funnier in hindsight. It’s basically a vehicle subline for a beast subline for a vehicle franchise
>>11929019>TM2 Megatron shelfwarmedHalf-true. TM2 Megatron was in a Cosmos situation where he sold out almost instantly upon first release and was impossible to find; then Hasbro did a package refresh almost immediately after, but overestimated how many were needed, resulting in the overstock cluttering shelves long after everyone who wanted him finally got him.
Is that story about beast machines writers being told not to watch the first show true or are Skir and Isenberg trying to cover their asses?
>>11929019>the new fans Bayshit bring into the fandom do not like or appreciate Beastformershow the fuck would that work? Surely those have the most crossover of any two parts of the franch. Half the decepticons are basically beasts.>The people nostalgic for Beast Wars have mostly moved on from this brand the hell we have>because they were practically ignored until Kingdom finally acknowledged the characters and gave them new toyswhy would they move on after getting new toys?> every modern Beast Wars character shelfwarmsEVERY TOY SHELFWARMS. it's the 2020s.TM2 was overproduced, and Inferno had bone-itis. I have bought five tigatrons and I still want another.
>>11928999>Mixing lines like this to make teams for shelves is my favourite part of TransformersSame. I love a good hodgepodge squad. Especially when you have some bots you're just not sure where to put. It also gives you more interesting scale options.
>>11929022oh, tigerhawk.yeah he shelfwarmed because he had proportion problems, and was overpriced.>>11929030I imagine the real truth is just that they picked people who hadn't seen it, and when they said 'no we haven't seen it' they told them "Good"not specifically "Don't go watch it"
>>11929030Given the person who told them that was Dan Didio and he apparently also told Marv Wolfman to ignore any ties to G1 when writing Beast Wars, I’m going to go out on a limb and say Skir and Isenberg are telling the truth
>>11929019>But by then you had a bunch of new fags crying about not liking Beastformers just like you did during G1.While simultaneously buying an entire set of Leader class Dinobots, after buying dozens of 3P Dinobots, and now apparently buying fucking Titan dinobots.
>>11929035Dan Didio also wbet on to personally spend the better part of two decades making DC Comics as unreadable as possible.
>>11928994I’ve just been messing around with Grimlock and he’s great, and looking forward Ironhide coming out next month I think
>>11928688Tbf not every figure made now has wrists and opening fingers are even rarer.Just goes to show how good the original toy is.
>>11929035but that's obviously not what they did. they, in fact, used half-remembered G1 /Comic G1 knowledge, and then when that went over well (on account of they accidentally made things fit quite nicely), they started leaning into it and did actual research
>>11929045Yup. And aside from a couple episodes in the beginning, BM actually did a pretty good job at either being consistent with BW's characterizations, or justifying a change in them and giving them proper character arcs. Sometimes writing them better than BW, I'd argue.I still maintain that Blackarachnia and Silverbolt are way more interesting in BM, than BW's unending recycling of>Ohh you just don't understand, I'm not like the Autobots, I'm a BAD girl...>Ha ha milady milady
>>11929045Well, yeah, just cause Didio told them to do it doesn’t mean they did, they’re just explaining what the writing process was like for BM
>>11929050kinda, yeah. I can see where you're going with it.
>>11929019>Because the new fans Bayshit bring into the fandom do not like or appreciate BeastformersMichael Bay lives in your head rent free.Machine Wars is only getting figures because the chucklefuck designers think they're cool, interesting and unique by refrencing this totally obscure line nobody ever heard of.
I wonder if MW megs is a (p)retool of that RID Skyfire that got leaked earlier this year
>>11929034>yeah he shelfwarmed because he had proportion problems,This is a meme. Only autists give a fuck about proportions. He shelfwarmed because he had like appeared in 2 episodes and jobbed in the latter so nobody really gave a shit.
>>11929064It’s not because the Megs is a Deluxe and the Skyfire is a Voyager. According to JTPrime, he’s a Reactivate Starscream retool that looks vaguely like RobotMasters R-Blade
>>11929067nope, tigerhawk was basically the White Ranger of that show, everyone fucking loved him. He was two beloved and missed characters fused together, with a bitchin design, the coolest fuzor, the coolest TM2, simultaneously.. he was armed to the teeth but also had fucking -magic-everyone loved T-hawk and was sad when he was done, but the Beast Wars finale was like "we only have 20 seconds to tell 8 hours of story, let's crank it out, undersell toys, and limp off toward a bad sequel"
>>11929074NTA but I couldn't care less about tigerhawk desu, specifically because he had no screentime whatsoever. I like their original forms, sure. Don't care for that rushed whatever thing that appeared in the end.But then I thought the Transmetals and Fuzors were all hideous, with only a few fun exceptions like TM1 Megatron, and always thought Power Ranger was gay af (in the negative sense).
>>11929074Aren't they missing what made Tommy popular to begin with?
>>11929033>Movie HardtopDamn, hella based. Loved that little guy when I had him.
>>11929085no, pretty sure Blu Mankuma provided all of that.
>>11928273well, shit.
>>11929074He existed for two episodes. I barely even remembered he existed until his new toy was announced; I was far more attached to the characters I'd known for three whole seasons to care.
>>11929086yeah, I got him on a whim and he's really grown on me. Especially since he found a trusty battlegator pal.
>>11929104the best of friends! I overpaid for all of these mini guys, but... they're pretty fun.
>>11929104man, some of these movie guys are begging to be repainted a tad, aren't they?I wish someone would invent a micropaintbrush you can control with a waldo, and like, it has a camera that magnifies and puts the image up on your screen, so you can draw.. onto the figure.. and the machine mimics you.
>>11929104>One of the only SG Beachcombers we seem to have gotMan
>>11928954>>11929033It’s nice because a lot of Transformers tends to have the same overall aesthetic so characters from across the franchise can easily fit in with each other>>11929113Speaking of evil Beachcombers, I’m surprised Hasbro hasn’t released another GoBots three pack with Man-o-War, BuggyMan, and Rest-Q (Bad Boy can be a Retro release like Bugbite)
>>11929120This would be basedWhich they won't doBut imagine AoTP Groove and him getting a crazy retool into Cy-kill
>>11929086>>11929104I know we punch down on the show a lot, but I thought it was cool of Earthspark to include Hardtop, a toy-only character from Cybertron
Anyone see the Chug scale Fortmax from 3rd party stuff?
>>11929131I don't need a 30 inch tall Fort Max, but great news for anyone who does.
>>11929136I'm a slut for big robot toys, but I unfortunately have absolutely nowhere I could put this guy. I'm expecting him to cost a pretty penny too.
>>11929131Man makes me wanna mess with my TR Fort Max againReally wish the white landing ramps could have a part to extend out and slope
>>11929140This one is definitely more in line with Diaclone audience
>>11929131>>11929136What I really like about this one is it has all the featuresThe ramps and elevators and SPDSTRINT
>>11929140It sticks out even more because both Trypticon and Scorponok have ramps that extend out
>>11929142The Cog also looks great
>>11929140TR Fort Max was a mistake.
>>11929141Oh helll yeaDr Wu chads win again>>11929143>>11929144Yea I have to sit and mess with Black Zarack again but I have YET to get the DNA kit to fix the legs and stuff and it's always like $90+ for the Add on aloneThe Cog looks great tho>>11929145Better than Metroplex was
>>11929150>Better than Metroplex wasTrolling like this is banworthy
>>11929144>big mac baseIsn't that called mcdonalds
>>11929156How is that trolling?Metroplex was huge but really not actually that great. Even fresh from box 1 vs 1 Fort Max is just genuinely better feeling in most all categories. Metroplex did have the ability to be a bit longer tho
>>11929171Metroplex was huge and did Metroplex things. Fort Max was huge and didn't do anything Fort Max is supposed to do besides have a headmaster and knee guns. Alt mode couldn't even be called a city, no sword, no city features, no minibot beside the headmaster.
>>11929166I'm lovin' it
>>11929074>tigerhawk was basically the White RangerNo, Depthcharge was closer to that>the coolest TM2That was Megatron>everyone loved T-hawkYeah maybe T-Hawk from Street fighter but not Tigerhawk from Beast Wars. There are fans who probably didn't even realize he was in the show because most people didn't get to watch every single BW episode
>>11929230depthcharge was a riff on batman with his edge cranked up. Nobody cared about him.
>>11929232>depthcharge was a riff on batmanNo, he was a riff on Clint Eastwood which the writers and VA quite explicitly state.
>>11929233right. I just made up the Batman thing. God, I need to stop just slamming my palms on the keyboard til random shit shows up
>>11929232>Nobody cared about him.Bait?
I was in the Thomas and Friends demographic when Beast Wars aired, so it feels weird listening to opinions of people who were actually there instead of seeing it years after the fact. I liked it, but ended up seeing other things that referenced it before the source material.
I like how anon constantly makes things up to keep the people that know the lore on their toes. Its a cute interaction.
>Beast Wars hate in 2026I hate this fandom sometimes.Whatever, have this Barricade custom I did.
>>11929257Where are you seeing hate...?It's only, uh, Tigerhawk ambivalence at best.
>>11928293Which fans? I need a link... for science.
>>11929141all the light piping without needing LEDs is very naisu.somehow only diaclone does them
>>11929297Very diaclone indeed
>>11929246Why are [people under a certain age] always so astounded by the concept of the world existing before them? I see this comment in TF communities every now and then when I'll mention using the internet in the 2000's and I'll get someone who should be old enough not to be impressed by this concept by now being astounded to hear about how the internet was back then. It's not like I was an adult either, I was like 10/11 going on TF fan sites, the people who get amazed by this are in their 20's now. If someone mentioned Usenet or something back then I wasn't treating it like archaeology.
>>11929330Same reason why people are surprised when those younger than them aren't familiar with what they liked as a kid. What feels important really isn't.
>>11929019I keep saying this, because it's important for people to know, but Aaron archer mentioned on Toy Armada that circa 2010-2013 before he left he was pushing for another Beast series since he was worried they were over-saturating vehicles year after year. Hasbro wanted nothing to do with it, they didn't want to acknowledge Kenner era and they thought Beast Wars muddled the concept they wanted to keep streamlined since the movie basically solidified the popular image of Transformers. Even when John Warden took over Transformers in 2013 or it was mentioned that he saw BW as the dark age and basically had to be asked to start homaging it more as he went on since times changed and a lot of Hasbro higherups who imposed old rules either left or changed their minds. >how the fuck would that work? Surely those have the most crossover of any two parts of the franch. Half the decepticons are basically beasts.The Bayverse Decepticons being beastial isn't really the same as having organic beast modes, which remains one of the biggest outliers in the franchise. The movie ended up having the opposite effect where it made Hasbro want to emphasize the classic elements present in it(robots in disguise, contemporary Earth, no beasts except for some minions like Scorponok)Basically after the movie Hasbro became really self-conscious about how the brand was recognized and was worried about people not recognizing the (this was actually a similar reason why they made G2; they did a focus group and found kids wouldn't recognize Optimus, the Autobot/Decepticon symbols, etc, so they made a new line to put something on shelves to keep the IP out there).It's why TF Prime, initially at least, avoided doing beasts, and why they were only present for anniversary things for a while(25, 30). Organic or even cyborg beasts are something I don't see the franchise doing again for anything but homages, and even the robobeasts we get are closer to G1 style blocky beasts than BW Transmetals.
>>11929343They should do a focus group test on a cab over truck.
>>11929337As someone who teaches kids classes occasionally, it's the opposite for me. I'm a little surprised when kids ask to learn to draw things that are from way before their time and don't really get aired much or merchandised for what would've been their lifetime or more. I have kids asking me about Super Mario World(specifically world, not just Mario) enemies, Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers,old horrow slashers, and more. My 8 year old nephew once recognized Gumby in a dog toy aisle, I asked him how and he said one of his classmates bought a Gumby toy to school and they all just played with it. A lot of old pop culture ends up reaching kids in unexpected ways.
>>11929343>saw BW as the dark age>Saves series >Gets banished and retconned by exec's into being the dark ages because another company was responsible for it that wasn't Hasbro That's depressing as a BW fan.
>>11929257aside from bugs I just don't care about transformers that turn into regular-ass animals. now the fuzors on the other hand
>>11929246>I wasnt even born when G1 aired, so it feels weird listening to opinions of people who were actually there instead of seeing it years after the fact. I liked it, but ended up seeing other things that referenced it before the source material.Change a few things around and this is most BW fans while watching BW. We we ever more "zoomery" to Gen X. Or at least I was.
>>11929375>Unrealistic size exprectations.jpg
>>11929311>Big Mac BaseA sesame seed bun?
>>11929343>he was pushing for another Beast series since he was worried they were over-saturating vehicles year after yearBeast Wars sold as well as it did because it came out at quite literally the perfect time, Jurassic Park figures were just at the point where the sales were plateauing because people liked the realistic animals but needed a cool twist on it.>it was mentioned that he saw BW as the dark ageI loved it when all the fanboys pretended that he never said that or never actually looked down on BW but when it was confirmed they switched up and said "uh well you deserve it". These "people" have always been gunning for the franchise's demise. It's no coincidence they hate everything kids actually like (Beast Wars, UT, Bayformers) and love everything no one likes (IDW, One, Aligned)
>>11929136I really like what I'm seeing, but the last time was really interested in a 3rd party city bot, they fucked up the shoulder struts. This guy is much taller, so I wonder how the joints and ratchets will hold up.
>>11929397I hated Beast Wars when I was a kid.
>>11929343>Even when John Warden took over Transformers in 2013 or it was mentioned that he saw BW as the dark ageWarden himself confirmed that wasn't true and it took time to convince Hasbro people really wanted more BW figures.
>>11929437I was born in 86, same year as the transformers movie. I grew up on G1 reruns and loved Beastwars.
I only watched prime and animated, and I don't get the hype around animated
>>11929246That's how I feel about G1though it's weird that you're not calling it 'thomas the tank engine' primarily. did they like, change branding?>>11929330nobody has ever had a smaller 'world' as it were, than kids today.
>>11929460It's solid series
Since Mark is so big on scrimblo bimblo glup shitto characters, he should push to get us a Lyzack toy. >>11929460The bar for transformers cartoons isn't very high, so Animated being pretty good puts it above most others.
>>11929462Best sync between the toys and show there ever was
>>11929462it's... fine but the human villains are obnoxious
>>11929462It was "alright". I hated that it never got serious about anything it had going on. Everything was almost always silly and non-threatening. And then it never got a real ending, so it just leaves you hanging.I really liked the toys though.
>>11929465Did we not get a CW one?Would be cool to see more randos
>>11929471Nope, her only toy is the botcon redeco of energon starscream
>>11929460it was a good show, that's allobviously it didn't reach its full potential
>>11929474Ohhh I keep forgetting there's two of them
>>11929466Toys need more greebles, they're too cartoony.
>>11929359
>>11929374fuzors are way better than regular animals, it's true. Also wanna see monster/mutantformers.
>>11929375oh hey, is it false equivalence o'clock already?
>>11929460it helps if you saw the godawful preview images and then how much better the show looked, and how clever the toys were.Obviously it's not gonna be everyone's aesthetic, and it sure as hell isn't mine, but it's probably the most polished turd of an idea since Batman Beyond.
>>11929465>he should push to get us a Lyzack toy.Hey, whatever gets me my Energon Starscream.
Didn't Beast Wars basically save the franchise to the point they tried to reverse engineer it with Machine Wars to try to capitalize on it's popularity by going back to vehicles but no one gave a shit about vehicles so the line died quickly?Really looking forward to MW Starscream at anyrate.
>>11929465Lyzack is trapped in legal limbo like Gilthor, she's not getting a toy anytime soon.
>>11929501No?Machine wars was just importing Euro G1 with worse colours
>>11929517and leftover g2 figures, anon with flipformers just like the beasts.but anon has an excuse for thinking it went the other way, due to the odd timing of releases.
>>11929517They’re less vibrant but I think Machine Wars Sandstorm and Starscream are really badass looking
>>11929521Compared to the original colours?I don’t think so
>>11929501>Machine Wars to try to capitalize on it's popularity by going back to vehicles but no one gave a shit about vehicles so the line died quicklyIts hard to say if Machine Wars was really a failure when it was a one-wave filler line for KB Toys and not a fleshed out part of the franchise. Its no different from a modern day capsule line. The figures were all unused molds or repaints too. It was a very low-cost line and they never planned for it to last. It didn't have any promotional media at the time and it was more or less not marketed. Expectations for it couldn't have been lower. Machine Wars was likely attached to a failed media franchise centered around rebooting G1 that would have complemented Beast Wars. A Hasbro rep teased a big vehicle-centric revival during Botcon 96. Machine Wars was probably what he was referring to. There's never been any confirmation. Its also possible they wanted to do a low-cost wave of toys to test the market for a full on car revival series and Machine Wars didn't cut it.
I wonder if transtech would have even been good. the aesthetics of the preliminary art really doesn't fill me with theoretical confidence, and the prototypes looked really awkward from some angles (though awesome from others)I'm not sure how I'd design 'animalistic vehicle' altmodes, but I bet I could give it a try.
>>11929461It could be I screwed up the name. At this point, my memories are incredibly vague.
>>11929470>I hated that it never got serious about anything it had going onI'd argue it was a much needed change of pace. It was refreshing to have a more character focused plot with lower stakes. It felt closer to a sentai show or classic 80s anime. I also don't mind the humans, they helped ground the setting to some degree although yeah, some of them did get annoying but then again so did some of the robot characters.Also transformers when it tries too hard to be "serious" sucks balls. Prime is completely boring (Starscream and Knockout are the only likeable characters), IDW's writing sucked for the majority of it's run, the WFC shows speak for themselves and Skybound is overrated melodrama.
>>11929553no I mean, it's definitely called that now. EVERYTHING is called that now. especially among autistic babychilds. but if you were a 90s baby, then I feel like it was still 'the tank engine' at the time.
>>11929562I also like how the autobots started out completely outclassed, and had to do normal kinda city-level hero shit from time to time, right down to supervillains.the city also felt properly BIG and futuristic, so the transformers weren't stupidly gigantic, blundering around buildings like humans trying to navigate a room full of boxes. I would love to see a new show that does a lot of what Animated did, but better.
>>11929571I always liked that we didn't follow an elite team. I wish they'd do that again. Cyberworld is kind of growing on me though. Mostly because I'm excited for RiD01 edgelord Magnus to be a thing again
>>11929541The Botcon 96 panel specifically mentioned that there were two lines in the works, one a G2 continuation specifically and one a G1 character with BW level articulation line. I think MW was the former line since it was probably just getting the molds they had ready to go. As for the second line, there a wild claim Protoman has mentioned about Classics Hot Rod and Starscream being based off 90s prototypes that never got off the ground. If so, that’s probably the line they came from.
>>11929594>If so, that’s probably the line they came from.I don't know how you came to that conclusion instead of Car Robots. You do know a G1 Starscream had already been made before the Classics one right?
>>11929599I mean the engineering of them does seem pretty far from Car Robots, and Car Robots wasn’t doing such slavishly G1 characters. Plus Protoman’s claim is that the line they were for was unreleased.
>>11929569>but if you were a 90s baby, then I feel like it was still 'the tank engine' at the timeI remember it was called "Thomas the Tank Engine & Knuckles: Featuring Dante from Devil May Cry" when I was a kid.
>>11929621>>11929569You're so young. It was just "Thomas the Tank" during WWII. The episode where Thomas incapacitated four panzers by himself was amazing.
>>11929629It was Thomas the Locomotive back before talkies
>>11929630I had to go to the public square when the traveling troupe came to see the latest morality play of "Brother Thomas of the Carriage".
So when the time comes and we finally see this IDW style Fort Max they're doingHe won't be good will he?GRAND Dream is he has 3 modesRobotTankAnd Headand the head can attach to TR Fort Max
>>11929635Heathen. Back when I was the high priest, the people enjoyed The Book of Tomer every week. The cantor spoke it so beautifully..
>>11929642Is that the same guy who was an Apostle?
>>11929642Me Gronk remember when Tom-Tom was cave painting. Me Gronk fill whole cave with Tom-Tom paintings.
>>11929644An apostle who always stayed on the track!
>>11929636It's IDW so expect nothing
>>11929676What are you even fucking about?Are you under the impression IDW is engineering a new FortMax toy?Aren't they solely a comic publishing company?
>>11929676I mean yea since the last good Windblade was Titans Return and even that could have been betterI guess the TAV one was good
I can't get ovet how bad that BW Megatron voice was in Kingdom. If you're going to make them look like the originals, make them sound like them or at least try.
>>11929684Were any voices good in that shitshow?
>>11929695No. They all sucked, even the G1 cast. Everyone sounded like they were bored and just reading from their scripts instead of actually doing voice acting.
>>11929684they looked shitty too, mostly.>>11929696it's so sad.. i always wanted to be a voice actor. now there's no industry. I mean technically I've DONE voiceover work, just.. piddlin' stuff.
>>11929600>I mean the engineering of them does seem pretty far from Car RobotsNo it isn't? The Car Brothers basically have BWN transformations and engineering but in vehicle format>Plus Protoman’s claim is that the line they were for was unreleased.But the classics figures were very blatantly post UT designs. I still have no idea how you believed some out there claim that even Protoman said may not be true instead of the actual timeline.
>>11929460Go watch Armada, Energon and Cybertron, the three shows that came out before Animated. Then you'll see why everyone loves it.
>>11929468>>11929470Nah, it's a good show. Well-developed characters, cool artstyle and animation, great voice cast, only real problem is they clearly didn't get to do everything they wanted to do. But you don't have to like it.
>>11929636I mean, IDW Fort Max was never a citybot. He was a regular-sized bot (well, a large one but still), turned into a cybertronian tank; not really comparable at all.I hope he's good, I like IDW Fort Max. He was interesting. Same goes for the leader-scaled Scorponok and whenever they do a leader G1 Fort Max, cuz I really like the Marvel comics too.
>>11929747>cool artstyleI wouldn't even feed this bait to a Sharkticon
>>11929753I'm sorry but you're the minority, everyone loves D.J. Wyatt's artstyle. Not just for TFA but all his other stuff like Teen Titans and Scooby Doo Mystery Inc.Have you just been hiding under a rock since 2007 and refused to leave it since?
>>11929753Listen, I get it. Change is scary. But open up your mind every once in a while and you'll find cool things.Unless of course the style just gives you uncanny valley panic attacks when people post pages of it on your discord, in which case maybe keep your mind closed.
>>11929723Armada and Cybertron are fine kids shows. The japanese version of Armada is arguably way superior though. Animated also goes in a completely different direction to anything prior and works for completely different reasons >>11929755His artstyle is far better in motion people see the key art in the same stance and think they know shit
>>11929758Not even arguably, I'll outright say objectionally lol. Every TF show had awful dubs, ALL of them. But yes, Micron Legend (Armada)'s so much more engaging and maturely-written when it has an actually good vocal direction and translation, lol. Not enough people have seen it.
(well, every TF anime to be more specific. The western shows had joke dubs in JP, which yeah are unfaithful, but I wouldn't label them outright bad. Just, yeah, gag dubs; you wouldn't take them seriously in the first place.)
>>11928380lol what a dumb faggot
I do like Micron Legend.I wish there was a better Hot Shot toy out there.
>>11929767same, and Starscream. Really sucks that those early Legacy toys were so shoddy.
>>11929770Might as well bring up this fucker while we're at it! Lousy shoulder articulation and the rubber horns are always bent out of shape. Looking forward to my upgrade kit finally coming in.
>>11929772Eh, shoulders aside at least he has the good engineering there. He's a solid action figure. It sucks that I had to do some upgrades like unscrewing his turret and nipping a gate to allow it a full 360, but at least he's a solid action figure besides that, yknow? Got him at a good discount too :bSS and Hot Shot meanwhile, there's no saving - they just need entire new molds from scratch, which sucks. I don't get the horns bent though, what're you doing with them lol? Mine can pop out sometimes, but I'm debating whether or not to use some light glue to help them stay in. They glued them in on his repaint, anyways.
>>11929758His art style is ugly and instead of drawing robots he draws guys in spandex.
>>11929781>what're you doing with them lolWhy, I made the horrible mistake of opening the box the toy came in!
>>11929706I mean far removed in that it’s nothing like them, not more advanced, anon. In this theoretical scenario they’d be from before CR. Classics Hot Rod doesn’t feel anything like the car brothers and they specifically didn’t make any vehicles Destron molds for Car Robots( whoch is why they used G1 Briticus and Laser Ozp for the commandos) so I don’t know why you’d think it’d originate from there.And it’s just specifically those two designs he says are older, and honestly they always did feel a little different from most of the other Classics to me. They’re more G1 faithful keeping basically the same altmodes while mostly everything else got updates, robot modes are closer too.
>>11929781It occurs to me I should be more specific:The way the horns are bent for me is not like they sit weird on the pegs, I mean one of the horns is actually itself bent. It came like this out of the box. If I put both horns on his head, it's almost instantly noticeable that one of them is leaning forward or backward depending on the side it's on.
>>11929529The original colors being cooler to you doens't mean the MW colors aren't also cool though. You can have multiple nice looking decos on a mold.
>>11929803My Legacy Armada Megatron horns were perfectly fine out of the box, but you can just put it in almost boiling water for a minute and leave it under a couple of big books overnight. That's what I did to flatten my Titans Return Trypticon chest door so it can stay closed.
>>11929798>so I don’t know why you’d think it’d originate from there.Because it's the only one that fits the criteria and they basically confirmed it later. It came out less than 4 years after, >I mean far removed in that it’s nothing like themI don't think you know what you're talking about. When they said a G1 with BW articulation they probably "they turn into vehicles instead of beasts" and with the characters they probably meant molds like Fire Convoy who would be localized as Optimus Prime.> and honestly they always did feel a little different from most of the other Classics to me. They’re more G1 faithful keeping basically the same altmodes while mostly everything else got updates,You're talking aesthetics, I'm talking engineering and the way both are engineered blatantly shows that they have the early 2000s design sensibilities instead of the 90s ones. Also if this claim were even remotely true, Robot Masters Starscream would not exist. Why would they make a different mold of a better version they already had on the cutting room floor?
>>11929859Where did they confirm it? And it doesn’t fit the criteria of Car Robots at all. The closest they seem like is maybe the train it’s, but they’re nothing like any other new Car Robots mold. I can see the engineering for those two being close to late G2 like Laser Optimus, the cyberjets, etc.Robot Masters was a smaller scale line while Classics a deluxe. So just having that conceit around does t mean they’d use it first, for the same reason they make a bunch of different G1 Optimus molds to suit whatever line they need Also this panel was in 96.. way before Car Robots was a thing.
>>11929755>everyone loves D.J. Wyatt's artstyle.I have always hated it.>Teen Titans and Scooby Doo Mystery Inc.Both of which I also hated, even before I knew he was the guy behind the designs.
>>11929894maybe you're just too old for it, anon
>>11929894You’re not the only one. The style got multiple derogatory nicknames such as Cal-Arts style, and bean mouth. Every show of that era looks exactly the same, because the entire industry got taken over by people from one school. Take it from someone who was literally in animation school when that style broke through. Everyone despised it. No one likes that art style except autistic faggots.
>>11929912Did you get a job after school anon?
>>11929912>DJW is calarts bean mouthAlright you guys have exceeded the amount of autism and retardation I ever thought possible.
Should I get Big Convoy for $40 or you think for black Friday he will be even cheaper? I told myself if he went down to 40, voyager price, id get him but since he just keeps dropping I'm thinking about waiting.
>>11929930Would you feel sad if he was sold out on Black Friday or would it be passableI only got him for 15% off but I was still pretty happy about it, voyager prices sound like a steal already. He's rather small but he has quite an amount of play value
if I was gonna get one of those old auto-morphing jets like RID Skyfire do I need to worry about the spring mechanism being fucked up or failing?
>>11929934I’ve never heard anyone complain about it or report any issues, so you should be pretty safe
>>11929762The same is true of Super Link but even less will ever give that a chance. Super Link is one of the more maturely written, or at least most morose, Transformers cartoons we’ve gotten. Comic relief characters aside, the show is kind of a downer throughout.Super Links only real failing as far as writing goes is its inability to satisfyingly conclude a character arc.
>>11929932I'd only be upset if I couldn't buy him for $40 afterwards. What I mean is, if I wait for black Friday and he's cheaper but I miss out, I won't feel bad so long as I could still pick him up for 40, you know what I mean? If he goes back up to normal price after the holiday season Id be upset then, you know what I mean?I do hear he has a lot of heft
>>11929951Super Link kinda feels like it ends halfway through and then the last quarter or so feels like it drags. The 2000's anime could really be paired down to 26 episodes easily.
>>11929924Don't forget that half the anons here are 55, out of touch, and incredibly autistic.
>>11929762Cartoon Network used to rush dub studios for their licensed anime and required a certain number of episodes be done before they ordered the show. Armada really suffered because of this because not only was the animation rushed but so was the dub script. It clearly never went through revisions and the voice actors were just drilled to read lines and move on. For Cybertron Scott McNeil had no idea Snarl was a major recurring character when he was told to voice him. He had no real information about the character at all because these guys were just running lines
>>11929930I say just get him because the second he sells out retards on the after market will triple his price and even bigger retards will pay them for it. I can not believe the price people are asking for SS86 Arcee. You couldn't have given that damn figure away when it was new.
>>11929924it's called trolling, dude. you shouldn't have fallen for that>>11929755sadly you're right, it's very popular despite being an objectively terrible art style. same with genndy's work. there's more to art than having a style that doesn't make you vomit, there's also like, skill and direction, and these guys are pros for a reason. Just.. gonna try my best not to draw like them, while I attempt to learn to animate like them.
>>11930044>objectively terribleArt is always subjective. You can not objectively measure art because every retard is going to have their own opinion. Objectivity is for facts.
>>11929752Very true. I'd like a more IDW leader/commander sized normal Fort Max so long as Tank Mode looks great tooIdeal is it has a third mode for Head to be compatible with TR or even if you can fan mode it and 3P finishes it with a kitI just really like his IDW design and character
>>11930043>I can not believe the price people are asking for SS86 ArceeI just checked ebay for the hell of it and I can't believe what I'm seeing. When and how did this happen to 86 Arcee of all figures? I literally gave mine away last year, if I had known I would gladly kept and sold her.
>>11930067I just really want a good small-scale Fort Max and Scorponok. I have Metroplex and Trypticon but I don't want anymore large scale guys they take up too much room.
>>11929753>>11929762>>11929783>>11929894Weak troll bait, At this point it isn't bait, This is just tism seething
>>11930057aesthetics are universal, they just aren't universal enough to stamp out that one 'um ackshually' guy. same with like, being straight.
>>11929951I gave up on Superlink/Energon when it became clear that they were never going to follow up on Starscream's face turn and going for sloppy mind wiping post resurrection to factory reset him back to being evil. And the Snowcat debacle killed any interest in picking the series back up.
>>11930073Its bad. Though I think Slag is worse. I don't know about everywhere else but all the Wal-Marts in my area had endcaps of just Slags and he sat there on clearance for years. I wasn't collecting at the time and I didn't want to commit to the Dinobots so I never bought it but now I am committing and I want to get all the Dinobots but fuck spending 200+ dollars on Slag. I ordered the DCS.
>>11930073I predicted this two years ago when she was double packed at Walmart for Christmas. I absolutely knew this would happen with her
>>11930043100% this. Once Big Convoy sells out and dries up he will be $100 all day
>>11930043>>11930098Other beast wars figs aren't though like tigerhawk and silver bolt and so on... Or is Optimus just that powerful
>>11930100It's just the fact those two characters are nobodies, big convoy at least looks like optimus
>>11930105You make a good point. Arcee isn't even best girl but everyone knows her and she's expensive. Best girl [elita 1] you can still find cheap af
>>11930112Elita isn't even the best one from that base.
>>11930114She is in my heart
>>11930081Funny you say that, I just sold all my 86 Dinos on ebay because I want to upgrade to the DCS versions. Slag sold almost instantly, while I was still busy uploading the rest. Grimlock went not long after, then Swoop, then Sludge hung around for a week or two, and I finally sold my Snarl today kek. But I think they just re-issued him for the cringe apology tour so that kind of tracks.
>>11930112I woulnt give SS86 arcee the time of the day when legends exists
To me, my Beast Machines chads
>>11930129looks like some cringe maori shit
>>11930098He's not even worth the price now at $50+ rangeLet alone damn near $20-30 or under he is at ross lol
>>11929959Yes but I mean if you had to pick between $40 and retail price, in case Black Friday doesn't work out. Like, is it guaranteed to go back to $40 after Black Friday?>you know what I mean?>you know what I mean?Stop saying that
>>11927690Tfw fags, you know what to change your sigs and profile pics to.
>>11929959>>11929930He's not worth it dude, he's so tiny
If Missing Link Megatron really is a gun will importing it through Ebay be legal?
>>11930172You can't use hobby or import shops?
>>11930176I guess I should say in general would it be legal?
>>11930180Depends where you live I suppose, I'm in the island prison known as the UK and I've been able to get Masterpiece and Newage Megatrons from local online shops with no hassle.
>>11930172There are STILL ways to easily just fucking place an order for prop/replica stuff like that or the basically all grey/silver/no orange tip" water guns designed after famous gunsIt's more that Takara is so god damn cucked lately so there's zero chance Missing Link Megatron is a Pistol
>>11930180why would a physical object not be legal? it's not a bomb or a weapon or a vial of neurotoxin. The fuck country are you from?
>>11930172G1 Megatrons still get sold on eBay so I don't see why not. One just got sold today. The tricky thing will be US retailers like BBTS selling it without needing some modification.
>>11930182>It's more that Takara is so god damn cucked latelyWell they're not too cucked they can't fuck me over and release a shitty MPG Defensor and delay Hasbro's updated Defensor another year or two so they don't compete. 27's combiner is Megatron and the Nexus limbs, 28 will probably be the Nexus frame. At this rate we won't get Defensor until 2029. This blows monkey dick.
>>11930183>why isn't everything like burgerlandsee >>11930182e.g. some commonwealth countries will give you a hard time over it
>>11930129Isn't Beast Machines Snarl made out of gold plastic? How is yours still in one piece?Also just realized that a lot of original BM toys are made from gold or transparent plastic. I wonder how many have broken up or disintegrated by now.
New word is that the Gen Selects Energon Tidal Wave is being replaced by a toy deco Aerialbots pack. Lame and gay if true.
>>11930196It's not in one piece it's from beast machines
>>11930197Its probably for the best they wait to release Energon Tidal Wave until they finish the Armada cast. They only have like one Armada Decepticon left, Thrust, if we're getting Demolisher and Cyclonus next year. After that maybe they can start doing Energon Decepticons.
>>11930202Cyclonus looks to be 2028.
>>11930202I really want Armada Devastator. They could make him actually not a gigantic brick.
>>11930129Nice.
>>11930197man they really hate energon huh.fine by me tho. missed out on toy deco mensaor boxset so I'll pick this one up
>>11930206I have a feeling they were worried about transparent plastic but who knows
>>11930204I really want Blurr and Smokescreen. I'm kind of surprised we only have 4 of the Autobots but nearly all of the Decepticons. Also above all else I really want them to finish off all the Hot Shots. I want a new CDF Hot Shot, I want Energon Hot Shot, I want Prime Hot Shot. I want them all.
>>11930208Armada autobot roster is very fucking bland aside of hotshot and optimus so i don't blame them for focusing on the decepticons
>>11930211Blurr is cool
>>11930211It has three really cool construction vehicles and Blurr. Sideswipe is the only dud.
>>11930196as mentioned earlier, clear plastic back then was super durable.>>11930199Why you I oughtta
>>11930205I also forgot about the wacky size classes in BM. IIRC that was also an issue in Animated, right? It was a little hard to get one complete team in the same scale.
>>11930219The bigger Animated characters were too small. Then they did a bigger Bulkhead but he was too big. Bumblebee was also too big so they did a second one later that was smaller and came with a sub armor to make up for the smaller size.
>>11930197Of COURSE they're doing a Gen Selects Energon Tidal Wave. That'll be the one that includes the Ramjet minicon to totally jerk everyone off.
Got El Segundo for $10, so that was awesome. Saw 4 in the clearance isle for $20, but it rung up as "Site Stock".
>>11930223What are you, stupid? Titans can't afford to include Minicons.
How come the 1998 Beast Wars Happy Meal was Predacon only? Wiki claims this Dinobot is a Predacon.
What are the chances we'll ever get an upgraded RiD Landfill? I am sure Team Bullet Train will be Mark's next Haslab, he's mentioned it more than once, but Landfill seems like its nobodies favorite combiner.
>>11930218Tell that to my RID Prowl whose doors have broken off due to the transparent plastic cracking.
>>11930230their theme was 'characters who never got a transmetal 1'the fact that that includes two turncoats is kinda just chance, but a disproportionate number of predacons die, so
>>11930233then you have pinpointed the moment they started making shittier clear plastic. just as I thought, it was Car Robots era. Wouldn't know, didn't have any back then. Also: they largely stopped using so much clear plastic. but like 80% of the predacon bugs are made of clear plastic
>>11930235Tigatron could have worked.
>>11930231At best, your getting a bastardized version as a Devastator repaint with two bonus guys.
>>11930238hmm yeah, I don't think botcon exclusives counted toward their "never got a TM1" only regular-release toys, so tigatron would have been a good candidate. Pretty hard to make it work for a happy meal toy, though
>>11930233Mine too. All my RiD toys are disintegrating. "New" X-Brawns and Team Bullet Train toys can be broken in package due to the decay. Its really hard to find a complete Beast Machines Nightscream that's not broken too because of the clear plastic. Clear plastic has never really been durable its just that for a time newer toys started to really go all in on using clear plastic for more complex hinges with lots of thin clear plastic pieces so it became a more noticeable issue for some people. Most older toys would use them for ball jointed shells so they lasted a bit longer. Or they'd be big solid hunks for the arms and legs. The big difference though is they can make parts much thinner now. Compare Universe Sunstreaker's chest piece to the WFC version and you can tell a big difference. Same if you compare BM Primal's knee joint to something like Earthrise Optimus. The clear plastic Earthrise Optimus is going to be a mess soon because those knee joints are thin and weak while BM Primal's are meaty and designed more around the limitations of the time.
>>11930243>so old it's breaking in the boxI hate the passage of time
>>11930243all my old beast wars guys are fine, maybe the problem started with BM. god knows that's when they started using clear plastic for more gimmicky purposes.
>>11930241Could have similar tooling to Panther. Black Arachnia was basically Beetle's conversion scheme.
>>11930250kek, I suppose so.he aint pretty, yet.. there's a charm. I sure would love it if we got reimagined versions of these guys someday.
>>11930251It's got a lot of articulation for a happy meal toy with hips, shoulders, knees, and elbows.
>>11930252>movie cheetorgood choice! lets you have the robot mode chest in white. My thought was Tigatron, but then you lose that. and if you did the white underbelly, you'd be making the robot forearms that color too.>takara cheetor with hasbro tigatroninteresting
>>11930218You can literally see a big hairline fracture in that very picture.
>>11930257well the post i replied to didn't say that, so
>>11930257nta why is Lego transparent plastic so durable but others arent? Like I dont think anything is ever going to happen to my transparent orange chainsaws but I've had micro men toys just break out of the package. actually I think they were broke in the package.
>>11930252It kills me that we never got repaints of the Rise of the Beast guys. I loved all their designs but the desaturated colors made me not buy any of them and I was hoping they'd get some sort of repaint. At the time I saw so many custom repaints with them too. Beast Machines, Transmetal 1s and McDonald toys (but I missed this guy, I saw a Rhino.)
>>11930243I just realized that Transtech Starscream prototype is probably broken now and I want to cry. Someone had to own it... RIP transtech
>>11930219I remember this commercial being played so much but I never wanted onehttps://youtu.be/q8KhCS4HOFw
>>11930259Legos are expensive because they use real high quality, extra-springy plastic. They do still eventually yellow and become brittle, but it takes forever.>>11930265those shits were clogging stores for like a decade. I'm like, guys, fuckin hell, i love robot animals, I would love to buy a giant robot cheetah, I even like the scimitar shoulder things, but this is a fucking stupid design. It doesn't transform, it just stands up. the feet have fucking calves, the cheetah head is tiny.. it just does nothing right.
>>11930080I honestly could believe they were going to do something with it in the third show, Super Link kept laying hints like he's questioning who he truly is, and they rpobably wanted to conclude that self-exploration in the third show... Yknow, before Galaxy Force was handed off to another studio that inexplicably decided to make it a reboot instead. Still salty a bit..
>>11930223>>11930226Thank god for 3P amirite gamers
>>11930259Because the nature of the product means that for the most part there's a mostly static set of toolings they use for everything they make. So they can get really anal about keeping the tolerances precise for their parts, which they do mostly to keep the clutch power just right for their pieces but that also has the helps minimizing the stresses actually put on the clear plastic. Even then I've had an old transparent hinge or two develop micro fractures when popping them together, usually I just hit it with my heat pen pretend I didn't see it and never take the 2 pieces apart again.
>>11930275>heat penis that like a... weak soldering iron?
speaking of leggitygos, how is it that lego can use cool neon fluorescent plastic that glows all the time in any light, but transformers keep having such dead lightpiping?
>>11930205What 3P T-Wrecks is that? Can his tail come off?
>>11930230That's only because it was retroactively repurposed into a Dinobot II prototype by the IDW sourcebook years later. At the time it never got assigned a faction but the little bit of merchandising there is for the promo does separate him a little from Scorponok and Blackarachnia. I want to say the store display did so as well but that's gonna be hard to tell since I'm just going off memory. Also note how BW is advertised as a subline of Transformers here.
>>11930238I always suspected they planned to maybe make a Transmetal Tigatron out of Cheetor initially(like long before Botcon's Ravage remold) which is why he was left out. I'm guessing they never considered a Blackaracnia out of Transmetal Tarantulas as part of the transmetals angle was to do the show characters and BA was more visually distinct from Tarantulas(i.e. they wouldn't just use a male mold for her, and Airazor showed a willingness to do fembots). Since they already met their budget limits and couldn't finance more models, this never went through.
>>11930284i meanthey specifically did show characters as TM1s, and then ONLY did TM2 versions of show characters IF they were in the show, so it's clear that they kept changing their mind about how well they were going to mesh with the show... but at no point does palette-swap transmetal 1s really make sense, to me. The MO changes, but that never fits it.
Speaking of Happy Meal toys. I heard people were selling TFA Blitzwing for over $200+ at Tfcon. Like WTF. I know he's France exclusive, but goddamn the greed sickens me.
>>11930304Everyone ia a scalper these days.Even Hasbro.
>>11930276No, it's like a smaller heat gun.
>>11930304Don't blame the salesman for the value of the toy, nor the economic system for making it possible for him to cash in on that value.blame the idiotic company that didn't make enough of the highly desired thing.>>11930309oh, keen. heat guns are rather blunt implements, something more localized would be appreciated.
>>11930308I don't think it's scalping if it's a near 20 year old itemThat's just market value at that point(I am not selling Happy Meal Blitzwings)
>>11930318People don't know what words mean any more
>>11930304>>11930308>>11930317He's reasonably priced if you buy in France, but importing one is like insanely difficult especially now.
Alt option is 3d print.
>>11930319>>11930318>sold at market value>the market value is 200% the original cost>scalpers? What's that? That's just economics.
>>11930345Yeah, so you acknowledge you don't use words properly
>>11930345How can you scalp somethingfrom like 12+ years agoThat only ever came out in like 1 country for a short timeThe term you're looking for is Price Gouging I believe
>>11930349>>11930346Fine. Price gouging! My point still stands.
wtfI live in France and I have like 3 of those Blitzwings from flea markets, it's not even that rare here
>>11930196Interesting thing about Snarl is that his GPS is situational. Apparently if you have one which has been out of the package since it was released (more or less pbviously) the gold plastic is fine. Or maybe just not as brittle as most GPS. I was able to transform him and open and close his spark housing a few times after I got him, but understandably I don't handle him much because I don't want to risk it. Shame too, he is actually a really cool mold. May get the Universe one. As for the transparent plastics on BM toys they are all great, its a very solid blend.>>11930205I think that Optimus Primal is so under rated. Hes so cool, but because he isn't show accuratebhe is forgotten.
>>11930365> I live in FranceI’m so sorry
>>11930375It's fine, you get used to it
>>11930365Weirdly, my SS Blitzwing which shipped from Amazon in the US had the French packaging.
>>11930396Le Film? What the hell is that!?
>>11930080>they were never going to follow up on Starscream's face turn and going for sloppy mind wiping post resurrection to factory reset him back to being evil.Firstly, Superlink implies that the Starscream seen in Superlink/Energon isn't the same Starscream as the one from Micron Legends/Armada as he is 'different' not to mention being called Nightscream instead. I do agree that they never followed up on him but for entirely different reasons. Superlink Starscream or rather Nightscream is essentially TM2 Dinobot, a newly created bot who shares the same visage as the most honorable and well liked character of the series but with none of the memories and is each respective Megatron's right hand man due to the latter missing their existence ever since they died. It was a huge missed opportunity to not have Starscream/Nightscream essentially being hounded by Alexis or even Hot Shot perhaps with every attempt to make him remember who he was and even end it almost similarly with Starscream's spark posessing the body to make one more noble sacrifice to end the conflict.
The back of New Legends G2 Menasor box has a comic with the return of Grand Scourge with him trying to hijack Menasor's limbs but unable to due to the Stunticons adding safeguards in the frame to prevent what happened during CW/Legends from happening again.Also they got Grand Scourge to reappear again, maybe this is a tease of a new form for Grand Scourge....
>>11930405Fucking reddit is what it is.
>>11930428burnin' out his fuse off here alone
>>11930428it's like a big skirt
>>11930424I like how happy they are to be kicking his ass in front of a live audience. New Legends is so wholesome.
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>>11930226The offensive part isn't even the lack of the little dude, it's that they couldn't even engineer the saw blade to split open which is the one thing it does all the time.
What if I told you THIS was a Transformers toy?Really though I'd love to see an honest attempt at a new one, without partsforming wings. I know though this has aNEVER EVER tier chance of happening.
>>11930424>gave a lore reason why the toys cant work with other combinersWoah... based...
>>11930271even they never did Ramjetnobody does anything anymore
>>11930534I own him, and as odd as he is, I love him. You don't see many Lindwurms in general, let alone one that's a Transformer, plus the wolf-man mode is pretty neat (even if the head is too small). Also, apparently the wolf head was supposed to have lightpiping eyes, but no toy ever actually got 'em - the head and eye sockets were left completely hollow. Also weird how his box bio makes him out to be a completely different character (and very loyal to the Maximal cause) than who he actually turned out to be - I wonder if that was an attempt to hide his identity for the plot twist in the show, or if he really was originally intended to be his own dude with a grudge against Megatron for being discarded.>I'd love to see an honest attempt at a new one, without partsforming wings.You can technically transform him without removing the wings, but yeah, if you wanted him to look like he did on the show, they'd need to figure out how to hide them in wolf mode. Would still be neat to see him modernized with a better tail and bigger head in lindwurm mode and bigger head and smaller arms in wolf-man mode, but we'll never see it - Hasbro doesn't want to acknowledge Beast Machines, and our one shot was that horrible Core-class Cheetor that no one wanted. We'll never get the designs people actually wanted, especially not at a standard size.
>>11930539Ahh man thats cool. I got this guy secondhand without the card, so I didn't know what his said. Yeah I got that Cheetor too, of course, right now hes my only BM Cheetor. I need to buy one soon. Keep some hope, the chances of us getting a (if probably not accurate) Botanica from Quintus Prime are higher than zero!Really I wish some 3rd party would take a crack at Beast Machines (or at least Transtech) but I don't see it happening. I love Beast Machines but I can admit Beast Wars is better and way more popular.
Just some Wolfbros.Quickstrike here is I think a very serviceable little Transformer. One of the better looking Maximals and he does one of my favorite things a quadruped alt mode can do: When he transforms he does more than stand up on his hind legs.
>>11930541>I got this guy secondhand without the card, so I didn't know what his said.Fortunately, I still have a bunch of my characters' boxes with their cards and instructions on 'em. Here's his - from the motto and the fact that they state his hatred for Megs is genuine, it seems like he was going to be his own character for a while (which he eventually was, once Megatron's Spark was removed from him, though he lost his intelligence at that point).
I'd kill for a shrunken down Air Attack Primal with two fully articulated arms and a non-screaming face.
>>11930317>blame the idiotic company that didn't make enough of the highly desired thing.The only reason people want shitty toys like that one is because they're rare.
>>11930545> When he transforms he does more than stand up on his hind legs.As heavy this criticism is lobbied at beastformers, I do think the designers did notice and tried to avoid using the same beast limbs as the equivalent robot limbs by at least the second year. You start having things like Snarl using his beast jaw as feet or Spittor using his lower legs for arms, then the Fuzor line does more intricate things like Silverbolt basically transforming vertically with his legs being the front legs dropping down, to asymmetrical transformations like Bantor or Lio Convoy in Japan. tigerhawk having his hind legs become his chest is probably the most clever. When we got new quadrupeds in Energon and Cybertron they were far more basic except Backstomp, probably due to needing to work in gimmicks we’ve just gotten far less beastformers and when we due so much are either G1 or early BW homages where the designs tend to be simpler. If we had more whole new Beast designs regularly I think they’d shake things up more but since we only get a few now and then they mainly stick to the usual transformation schemes
>>11930396For some reason, a bunch of the SS86 figures have that on the top of their boxes. Don't know why, but if you've collected others from SS86 and kept their boxes, go back and check 'em, 'cause you might be surprised how many say that.
>>11930539>I wonder if that was an attempt to hide his identity for the plot twist in the showThat'd be my guess, kinda like how back in '86, Galvatron's bio had him listed as a mere City Commander, and there were TV commercials in the UK specifically referring to Ultra Magnus as the new leader.
>>11930568Man thats neat. I miss Bios and stuff so much.>>11930589It may have been less that they saw it as a criticism and more that they were bored of doing it that way, but yeah I really love it when they can manage something more interesting. Beast Machines Deluxe Optimus Primal is another favorite example of mine, the way his gorilla arms become his robot legs. Its so cool. Fun play feature too that is more than just a spring loaded missile. His throwing shuriken actually works pretty well.
>>11930534>without partsforming wings.Not sure how that's possible. Even in the show, he keeps the wings until he's pretty much done transforming before they retract. You get a second where he looks more lime the toy.
>>11930597It might look clunky but I bet you could have them fold up to form his back. He may come out looking a bit bulky but idk. I'd at least like the wings to do something other than occasionally fall off his back or have to just be out somewhere.
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>>11930205>>11930129these look fucking ugly.I grew up with Beast Wars and beast machines were like boner killer to me.>cool designs and cool robots>suddenly everybody becomes UGLY and stupid lookingSometimes i feel sad about not being a G1-guy. those guys were eating good during their childhood.All i can have is basically just first waves/1st seasons of Beast Wars.
>>11930613Two in a row
>>11930617Fuck you
>>11930223He'll include ramjet clench Corona sparkplug, and the other powerlinx minicons too just for an extra fuck you.Bonus points If he includes blackout and crumplezone and demolishor and cyclonus still have the dedicated ports for them.
>>11930230it annoys me to NO END that a fucking happy meal toy was the only "Transmetal Scorponok" we got. Even though everyone else got a proper Transmetal OR Transmetal 2 toy, (even if they didn't get one in the show)
