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Big Breasts Edition

previous: https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/82918290
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FAQ
Q: I'm a total beginner. Where should I start?
A: Do the exercises in either "Keys to Drawing" by Bert Dodson or "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards. Additionally, you can try the first few lessons of https://drawabox.com/ for building up muscle memory.
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could someone help me out and point out what in particular im doing wrong? i really dont want to disappoint the person im drawing for.

i cant copy the ref 1:1 since her ear gets in the way and her hair makes the hat sit higher up on her head, so i tried to do some workarounds like this but every attempt just keeps looking stiff and awkward. ive tried taking pictures of myself and googling similar poses online but my brain just can’t seem to make the arms not look wonky.
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>>83039947
Issue with a lot of human headgear is that it's designed with a human cranium in mind. A more animalistic head where you've got to worry about ears and/or a smaller braincase are invariably going to present problems when adapting the designs. The beret is an especially tricky proposition, since the whole idea is that it hugs the the skull tightly to stay in position, which means it needs to go at least down to the part where the skull's thickest or it'll just fly right off. Unfortunately, that means it'd have to cover anthro ears, barring some sort of complex system of tying it into the hair to secure it, but then it'd also lose a lot of distinctive shape of a beret without some kind of rigid shell, which in turn would make it inconvenient to stow away compared to the soft, foldable fabric of the human model.

But then, that can all be handwaved by invoking artistic license if one so desires. I'd say the arm positioning works well enough to fit the bill in a pinch as is, though it does make it look more like she's fiddling with her hair than with the beret, but I'd say that unless it is absolutely imperative that the ear remain fully in view, you'd be better off moving the arm to a position more closely matching the reference. It'll cover part of the ear and hair, but it'll also make it clearer she's putting the beret on, if you make it so her fingertips are touching the fabric. You might also want to make the other hand's fingers squish a little more into the beret; you'll note the stiff insignia on the reference's beret makes the fabric cover the finger a little. That change alone might be enough to sell it better, experiment and see which configuration looks best.
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someone please tell me where to get commissions? Social media is dead and I don't want to try and get into the sites that need codes anymore. Help me please.
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>>83015721
i do too
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Draw this mirrored lady.
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>The beret is an especially tricky proposition, since the whole idea is that it hugs the the skull tightly to stay in position, which means it needs to go at least down to the part where the skull's thickest or it'll just fly right off. Unfortunately, that means it'd have to cover anthro ears,
typically since i already prefer a toony art style, my method is to just cheat by having it squished inbetween the ears and it just glued on to the head.


>though it does make it look more like she's fiddling with her hair than with the beret, but I'd say that unless it is absolutely imperative that the ear remain fully in view, you'd be better off moving the arm to a position more closely matching the reference.
originally i tried that, but it because her hair makes the beret sit higher on her head, youd have to work the hand in a way that would cover up a lot of her face and i felt like it would take away from the immediate readability of her facial expression.

>You might also want to make the other hand's fingers squish a little more into the beret; you'll note the stiff insignia on the reference's beret makes the fabric cover the finger a little.
this is a good thing to point out, detail ill definitely have to add it in.

>That change alone might be enough to sell it better, experiment and see which configuration looks best.
would you say this rough example that is close to the original while not covering too much of her face looks better? although her left hand isn’t directly touching the beret her ear can go inbetween the fingers to keep it visible while still selling the idea of her putting it on.


thank you for so quickly giving me advice by the way i really appreciate it.
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Thread died before I could post this last night. I really need to practice fundamentals more but I have such poor work ethic, its terrible.
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>>83041746
>>83040502
oops
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midtones are kicking my ass god damn.
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>>83041746
>would you say this rough example that is close to the original while not covering too much of her face looks better?
I'd say it's about the same, since the fingers don't reach high enough to clearly touch the beret, so it still looks more like she's fussing with her hair instead. Try extending the tips of the fingers a bit and bending them upwards a little to make the connection clearer.
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>>83039841
Draw lolis and small chested adult gals and you won't have this problem.
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>>83042056
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>>83042056
Yeah instead you'll be targeted by glowies and killed in a totally random, purely by chance, migrant attack
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>>83042056
or boys
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I'm doing a (semi) serious practise of perspective, using a photo as reference.
This is what I've done so far, roughly 2 hours of work. I think it's fine, but the hand rail looks very off, and the back leg of the cat too (the two other legs are hidden, I'll post the photo), and the fur looks way more mangy that I intended. How am I doing so far?
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>>83045740
This is my reference.
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>Tried to follow a tutorial
>Make this instead

I need help here. I feel stuck and even regressing. I don't really know what is wrong or what I do wrong, beside the wonky fur.
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>>83046659
That's not a bad fur, could you share the tutorial? I'm really struggling with that, just look at my cat >>83045740
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>>83045740
I like the fur and nice cat

Here the link of the tutorial :
https://youtu.be/TCjRfOshMmE?is=Nh08QwjR9Y-EY4u4

The is quite a wide array of animals to draw along.
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Been real busy with overtime at work and haven't had much of an opportunity to improve on things that I want to such as composition, perspective, or reflecting light. Any suggestions for smaller scale practice sketches to help get the grasp until I can actually focus on larger exercises?
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I wish I could stop making drawings that look like ass
https://files.catbox.moe/sk86ls.png
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>>83047207
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>>83045740
I think yous should be more simplistic and focus on the fur pattern instead of the individual strands of hair.
On the reference they don't stand out too much as well
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>>83051304
Do you have any reference for that? It's too late to change it, but I can use it on my next one. Also some additional progress on the background.
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>>83047207
I've seen your stuff elsewhere, you do not draw like ass. I will not here of such nonsense. Perhaps not the best pose for a very cartoony small character? Better suited for an actual human body.
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>>83047174
I sketch basic forms. Spheres, cuboids, cones, etc.
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I don't know how to forshorten


The following post is an add
>Does your girlfriend wife or mother tell you to tune in to cat run radio stations?
>If I'm on the money than she sounds like a dog loving BITCH
>Tune I'm now, Fire Cat radio.
>Music better than catmint
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Got a tablet, a pencil and a dream. Now for the beginner faqs do I read the whole books or just focus on the exercises? I'm fine with either.
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>>83041968
okay, i got around to cleaning up the example. for the right hand, i shortened the length of her lower arm and pushed her hand further down into the beret so that the stiff badge area puffs up over the fingers. for the left arm, i pushed the whole arm up a bit, curled the fingers upward, added some wrinkles onto the beret and put in a little bit of some shading. do you think this looks less awkward? is there anything else i should change ?
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too low
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>>83056081
Fun fact, there is indeed music made specifically for cats:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiFt7g4wMhE

There's been some research into how other animals respond to music as well, but it's mostly focused on reactions to human music (calm classical music seems to work nicely to facilitate relaxation for most species). I wonder if other species would benefit from music scientifically designed for their brains and what such music would sound like? Would be interesting to hear what a prey animal's ideal soundscapes would be like, for example. Probably something that imitates a calm breeze rustling through leaves and undistressed birdsong, I'd guess. And would it be possible to create something that gets their blood pumping without triggering an outright fight-or-flight response, a sort of hard rock/heavy metal for animals? The tracks in those genres made for humans tend to distress most species.

Don't feel too bad about the foreshortening, it's a particularly difficult subject matter, especially in trad where you can't fiddle with the lines until it looks about right. There's various tricks out there to make it a bit easier, though.

>>83056827
Aye, that looks better already. The badge area could cover even more of the fingers, though; if you check the reference, you'll note it almost completely obscures the little finger of the gloved hand. The wrinkles on the lower hand's contact points would also probably look better if they pointed downwards more to imply a greater pulling force. Bit tricky to put the exact details into words, I'll see about jury-rigging my workspace for drawing again to redline something up. Will have less excuses to procrastinate on my own projects when I've got it up and running again, too.
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After a years long battle, I believe I have finally come to understand faces
Most of it anyway
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>>83058676
Thanks for the picture and the lecture.
If I had pets I would show them music
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>>83056539
Definitely do not read whole books cover to cover
Use them as a reference book.
There are books I've owned for YEARS that have whole halves left untouched.

>>83056081
Foreshortening is a real bitch, but the trick I've learned is that people often UNDERESTIMATE how much they need to hide behind the foreground object. It is very rare that people overestimate and hide too much, and even when they do, it tends to just look like a stylistic decision rather than an artistic mistake.

Practice forshortening with cylinders and 2x4s. It's a good help. Another good trick I use is to draw out a bunch of squares in 3D space, so that you can get the expansion/contraction down. Something like pic rel. Oh, and while we're on pic rel, I find that extreme forshortening benefits a lot from remembering that the human eye is a fish-eye lens which warps things into four point perspective - that is, it makes lines bend.
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>>83056827
>>83058676
>I'll see about jury-rigging my workspace for drawing again to redline something up.
A little something to this effect. Not entirely happy with it, I'm rusty and tired here, but it should point in the right direction. Experiment and see what works best.
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>>83059562
>people often UNDERESTIMATE how much they need to hide behind the foreground object
Timely, that and guesstimating relative sizing was most of my drawing dithering today.
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>>83056539
>>83059562
>Definitely do not read whole books cover to cover
It might be worth your while to skim through them, however, see what's available, maybe mark the lessons most relevant to your current needs for later reference.
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really fucking batted above my average on the foreground hand so now I gotta eat shit on the background one
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>revive
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