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>>83733169OOOOOH YEAH POOP IN MY GYM BROTHER >HH
>>83733234
Yandeer lewds slowly but surely coming through, all according to keikaku.(I think it was a contentious topic last thread, sorry if that rubs the wound for someone)
>the Knight flying out from the shelter to rip Susie's head off Thragg-style for forgetting to buy Kris ice cream after that horrible scene
>>83733337I can only wish that when they reconcile after crashout, Susie grabs ice cream for everyone and Kris gets two scoops.
>>83733359If Toby REALLY wants to stick it to pairing shippers she'll still get two, but Kris shares between both Susie and Noelle separately, ironically giving the least popular of all the three pairings the most leverage. Chapter 5 already did more for Krusielle than any other before it.
>*It’s dead.
>>83733483>*Consume.
I wish Noelle drowned me in a lake because I can't stand the forty degrees of heat boiling me alive every day this week.
>>83733494
After thinking about why Toby wrote the festival in the way he did, I can think of a few reasons.I think it's important to keep in mind that Toby does have a history of fucking with the player on purpose, this is most evident with the halloween hack where he wanted to make the player feel cheated. Chapter 5 has also been described as an "Inferno of jealousy", and there are many in-game things in the game that warrant that, there are minor bits like the conversation between the mizzle and the rudinns in castle town, Catti getting brought to tears over Noelle and Susie, Pizzapants whole storyline, then more major ones, like, well, the entirety of Ralsei in the chapter, and the flowers desire to stay in the dark world, and much more. Now, this is all in-game stuff, but I think it goes even further than that, I think this inferno of jealousy thing is meant to affect the player too, and that's where Kris comes in. At this point it is undeniable that Kris has feeling for Noelle and Susie, there are too many scenes that show this, you could make the argument that it was intentional, that it's simply showing a deep friendship, and, to a point you could, especially analyzing the scenes by themselves in a vacuum, but if we take the entire package together then I think that just seems unlikely, if we're using occam's razor I think the simplest explanation has shifted from "Kris and Noelle/Susie are just good friends" to "Kris has feelings for Noelle/Susie". So, the point is, this was intentional, Toby wrote Kris as having feelins for Noelle/Susie, he wrote it so that the player could recognize it, he wrote it so that the player would start imagining what a relationship between Kris and Noelle/Susie would be like, he made it feel like a real possibility, and then, after all that, he made Susie and Noelle get together, disregarding Kris' feelings for them. And some of the players didn't like this, and felt cheated, and that's exactly what he intended to do.
>>83733601Having said all this, I cannot answer as to why Toby felt necessary to make the player feel cheated, and to have Kris' feelings ignored, I think there's a purpose for all of this, it would be very strange to establish that Kris has feelings for them in the story and then never actually explore the implications of this. We're simply gonna have to wait for Chapter 6.
Do you think Carol and Susie are gonna team up to search for Kris and Noelle now that they went missing?
>>83733683where anon search wherecarol would just break down anon she lost both of her daugthers and her husbands fucking dying
>>83733683Despite whatever Kris thought, the entire town would look for them, for weeks on end if need be.Carol would unironically make both of them into national news pieces looking for leads.
>>83733683I doubt it honestly, with how fast things are moving, by the time chapter 7 rolls around, I estimate it will have only been 2-3 days since they disappeared and whatever they become emerges from the lake.
>>83733601I mean, I think it's pretty clear that Kris' long-term and short-term relationships with both of the girls is being directly influenced by their loyalty to the Knight/plot, which in turn all arose as a result of Dess's fate. Whatever that might have been. Of course Toby isn't going to just let that fact sit without being cheeky about it; that's not his style.Even early on you could tell Kris clearly found some sense of familiarity in Susie's presence, just as Noelle does, but whether this is because Kris knows what's going to happen to her or realizes that it will ultimately be for nothing remains to be seen. Pushing your friends away and all that.
Hmm... how familiar...
swap….
>>83733713Everyone's making art of Susie jumping into the lake trying to find them but I would find some perverse pleasure in her thinking that Kris and Noelle literally just ran away together and eloped since all she knew was that they wanted to be at the beach alone together, and it seems like even Susie understands the romantic implications of that
>>83733734Someone inspired by Whump's take on Dess?
>>83733683Gonna be honest, I would be a little surprised if we even go back to the Light World after whatever those two did. Clipping out of bounds to reach a secret area doesn't usually imply you intend on going back. I do think Susie might reappear. Maybe.>>83733734>the ears and piercings>face/eyes/nose/freckles>choker and tank top>even the scarring on the arm>antlers bent at a forty five degree angle>bangs over one eyeNow where have I seen this doe before.
>>83733803What do you love about Swap, anon?
>>83733275You know, this discussion on whether yandeer is real Noelle or not made me think.1. I think we've arrived to conclusion that WR!Noelle is still Noelle, albeit not in the best state of mind, acting on intrusive thoughts, her ego giving room for her id. This is ironically what I think is happening to the lot of us here. We feel cucked, denied the resolution. We need boy and doe together, Toby be damned. Yandeer becomes appealing for some not just because crazy girls make them hard but because the motivation is very relatable. Exactly the kind of metanarrative you'd expect from Tobio Kojima.2. Trance effect. Specifically, how its arrow is upwards on Thorn Ring and down on Twisted Sword. Remember, Susie is also being erratic but in opposite direction; instead of wanting to break free from her current life like Noelle she wants to preserve it. She reciprocates Noelle's crush because she want her to be hers, she keeps following and hanging out with Kris because she wants him to be hers, she steals items from the church because she wants the darkners to be hers. She might think it's freedom but she just gets buried deeper, just like how Jevil thinks everyone outside his cage is imprisoned. Perhaps the twisted route could be real after all; we'd have to literally stab those thoughts out of Susie and make her rational again. >>83733483Nighttime in American hours on a weekend after the biggest fucking shitshow fandom endured, please understand.>>83733504Twenty here, which doesn't help much when my shitbox doesn't have A/C and I have to drive all around the city for work.
>>83733705>You were gone for 4 minutes, 6 at most.>You got the ice cream cones, three of them, one did not endure the journey.>And you were still licking the sweet taste of it off your lips when you got back to the lake.>When you noticed they weren't there.>You looked, of course you looked. >Everywhere, in the bushes, on the other parts of the shore you could reach trampling around vegetation.>You called out, of course you called. >You yelled and shouted their names until you were hoarse, until you drove yourself into a panic.>The cones were on the ground now, had been for a while, the scoops melted into the soil by the shore.>And finally you spotted the prints, the ones you had missed.>A pair, Hooves and Shoes, leading into the water.>Where the sun set.>The days pass in a blur once the cops got involved.>They asked their questions, and you answered as best you could.>But the Mayor wanted to ask you some of her own.>You had never felt worse than when she asked those questions, and you couldn't just tell her where they were.>She's crying, but her glare still pierces those tears like daggers at you.>You can tell she blames you.>And it makes you feel like it is your fault.>You haven't told your friend.>Haven't gone into that closet for two nights.>You don't have it in you to tell him.>The cops have left the shore by now.>No real evidence there, they say.>So you sit at the shore.>While the whole town searches,>You're waiting.>For them.>Alone.
>>83733905I just love how their swapped personalities are characterized. Also swap Kris a cute I wanna pinch his cheeks so fucking much
Fuck you
Yandeer is Noelle but under exceptional emotional duress and it exemplifies her need for a connection with Kris. Our tampering has basically made Noelle to strongly believe that attention from Kris is conditional on Proceeding, which is a major way she is the way she is, but it's also a cocktail of her own anxieties and desires which are playing into her wanting to become stronger, more independent, more valued, and more loved. The Weird Route is a window into Noelle, but its a window you are making by taking a sledgehammer and smashing through her mental walls. What Kris learned and understood through years of patience and interactions You pick apart like the dissection of an insect to see what makes it tick. And it can never be as perfect in its understanding or as flawless in its execution as true Kriselle, for it is a pale copy made from a crude understanding of Noelle.
>>83733940> I think we've arrived to conclusion that WR!Noelle is still Noelle, albeit not in the best state of mind, acting on intrusive thoughts, her ego giving room for her id. This is ironically what I think is happening to the lot of us here. We feel cucked, denied the resolution. We need boy and doe together, Toby be damned. Yandeer becomes appealing for some not just because crazy girls make them hard but because the motivation is very relatable. Exactly the kind of metanarrative you'd expect from Tobio Kojima.we are all noelle..... (damn I need to sleep, going to sleep after this post)
>>83734008chapter 5 makes me want to beat susie with a lead pipe.
>>83734020Nicely said. I don't know if you're that guy who hates it, but I like how beautifully tragic it is.
>>83734020With 100% sincerity, this is objectively the best understanding of it all.
>>83734020100 percent agree with this
>>83734020I'm gonna be honest I really don't understand this need to fight back against weird route Noelle. Like ok yeah I understand you prefer more wholesome Kriselle but I really don't see the point in going on tirades to invalidate anything related to Noelle in the weird route. It's just an alternative path for the story and people find it interesting.
>>83734047I highly doubt anyone hates it. It's almost been universally agreed upon here that Weird Route is intriguing and a core aspect of Deltarune, even during the Chapter 2 days. It's only the obnoxious soulellefags and people who enjoy porn of it that were disliked.
>>83733940>I think we've arrived to conclusion that WR!Noelle is still NoelleWe did not.
Look closer
>>83734140If really does fucking look like a gaster face
>>83734026Toby makes suselle and kriselle canon... hmmm fuck you and thank you toby
>>83734144He is everywhere
>>83734140Noelle started winging kris's ding...
>>83734047Nah I'm not the autismo threadcop lol, but I just doubt that Noelle by Ch 7B will be the same Noelle we started with. Following my sledgehammer analogy, you can only bust down so many walls before the structure becomes unsound, and by Ch 5 Noelle is already there. It's interesting, it reveals so much about the characters (like Kris still actively trying to save Noelle's life even when she is drowning them), but it's not going to end with the Kris and Noelle we started with. We rob them of choice and agency, we promote some amount of personal growth and stifle others, we warp and twist them until it becomes something else. If you like that something else, then it's whatever, but ultimately it's not my thing, and I doubt the ending of the Weird Route will interest me as everything that got us there.
(SAY IT!!!!!!)
>>83733940>just like how Jevil thinks everyone outside his cage is imprisonedChapter 1 was Susie's chapter, establishing her a character, chapter 2 then is Noelle's chapter. Spamton's desire for [[FREEDOM]] directly parallels Noelle's action on WR. I haven't yet finished ch5 on normal route, but what I heard of Mew Mew's fight is that it is about your two infighting halves coming to peace with each other, similarly to hostilities between Kris and his soul; I don't know if I could call ch5 Kris's chapter but "being Kris is suffering" definely was the main theme. Thus every schizoboss parallels the main trio (I don't count Knight or Gerson as schizobosses as the former just appears with no fanfare and the latter came to peace).
>>83734160She wingin’ on my ding ‘till I gaster.>*loud incorrect buzzer noise*
>>83734168I LOVE TV! (+20 Points)
>>83734166Agreeing to disagree is always preferable to the alternative. The weird route is VERY VERY INTERESTING, to say the least, so you could argue I'm deriving sick pleasure from watching them suffer. But hey, it's just a videogame. I'm still hopeful for normal route kriselle even if it's just a single hug.
>>83733940I think it makes sense that WR!Noelle is just Noelle but with her mental state pushed to the extreme. Under the correct circumstances people will do things and act in ways that would normally be considered unthinkable, and this is what's happening here. Noelle craves freedom, she undergoes extremely traumatic events that pushes her sanity to the edge while also showing her the potential to actually attain this freedom, the things she craves the most in life, it's not actually that strange that she would act the way she does.
I'm back after a hellish combination of the chapter dropping during end of month overtime.What drama did I miss?
>>83734249leave the thread and play your weird route save immediately
>>83734249Not much that wasn't directly caused by the chapter. There's been a thread split by some disliking snowcoomers, but that's coming to an end.
>>83734258Already did that, we turned noelle into a schizo guys.
>>83734249Yandeer
>>83734168I can't stop thinking about this.
>>83734270I hope the thread stays split, it's been immensely more civil and fun to use ever since it happened.
>>83734166>SunWhy the ending dont interest you? Because it wont be good?
>>83733845>>83733851Apparently so, and from a /utg/ thread no less. Artist said a friend of theirs sent them some fanart they found without specifying further, although it's quite obvious whose drawing it was. I recognized them from the last /sus/ thread's anchor since they drew Unrelated fanart.>>83734249Almost none that you haven't already seen elsewhere. Believe it or not the threadcop seems to have all but taken a hike.
>>83734102>It's only the obnoxious soulellefags and people who enjoy porn of it that were disliked.I like my self-indulgent fantasy of evil sex, doubly so now that it's canon that Noelle takes the initiative. I still keep it Kriselle, though, with the soul being nothing but a plot device.
>>83734272She really does just look like a younger Carol there
>>83734140Holy shit guys!!!
>>83734354Someone tried to draw her like the original
>>83734166wait so you are saying chp 7 noelle and kris would still be noelle and kris but a very changed and different one compared to chp 1?
I miss Carol
>>83734397At least this chapter confirmed that Carol was capable of genuine laughterLong ago
>>83734397>>83734411That, and she's still warmed up by Rudy's rizz.
>>83734374Beta Noelle feels like she'd be the middle child between Dess and Noelle. Maybe a little snarky and zany but very understated compared to her two sisters. Definitely the most likely to carry on Carol's political dynasty.
guys what if the thorn ring was actually just one of those candy rings and noelle is just going batshit crazy?
>>83734470In Chapter 7b, the Thorn Ring gets replaced with the Onion Ring
Forget noelle, mew mew is the future
>>83734461Beta Noelle looks like she's a secretary in her mid 20s to early 30s.
>>83733169Why are all the baddest bitches so crazy?
>>83734529
>>83734500>noelle admitting that she likes s-o-y productseugh
My theory on weird route noelle is that we gave her something akin to eldritch lore in chapter 4.Like the soul is an outsider for all intents and purposes. When we shoved the thorn ring into her we also showed her that hometown is merely a simulation and her entire life is a lie.
would WR Noelle leglock Kris?
>>83734545If you value your mental sanity and your life do not the BPD girl.
>>83734586Even normal Noelle would. Hell she'd go for a full cuddlefuck, locking their full bodies together.
>>83734586>kris on topShe would do amazon position only
Thoughts on the Kriselle Knight fusion theory?
>>83734625if we're going full schizo I am doing "the Knight is WR!Noelle in a timeloop" theory
>>83734625I don't have a shred of knowledge on Homestuck, but that one comparison chart somebody cooked up for the Knight/Bec Noir definitely had me interested. Only real hole I can poke in it is why Kris would be willing to help them destroy the world unless he was compelled into doing so or somehow informed of the truth, thus taking it upon his current timeline's incarnation to spare Noelle the fate by burning it all down. Pretty extreme, but it also accounts for Kris' unwillingness in the WR.
>>83734586Yes.
>>83734570Same revelation Jevil and Spamton had.
>>83734620Yeah me too
>>83733239Nelly Welly from my vague other puppet style AU reworked to fit her normal personality.
>>83734724I'm gonna miss old WR art of sadistic twink Kris claiming the poor little doe for himself (or same but with femkris toxic yuri). Not like I don't enjoy the alternative, mind you.
>>83734625
>>83733803Keep saying it Elly...
>>83734755crap>>83734755
>>83734758she's not a scared little doe any longer and I couldn't be happierI need to see where the train wrecks
swap kris dragging noelle into the lake...
>>83734755>>83733171
>>83734758This one has always been by favorite when it came to that type of Chapter 2-era Weird Route art
>>83734586WR Noelle would dom Kris so hard that even if the sex was consensual it'd be like rape for them.
>>83734790>Remember how Asriel would brag...>"I'm so strong I can swim to the other side of the lake!">I'm stronger now, Noelle! I can do it!>I just need to hear you say it...>You can't even beg like you used to...
>>83734301pretty much, my buddy sent me some dess stuff (which i now know as whump's work, thanks btw) and wanted that design of her playing with a young kris, hence the baseball shenanigans. the other scribbles were just trying to understand how that dess worked, sorry for the confusion
>>83734758Don't lose heart, it's part of the process, people will still draw those magical moments from chapter 2 and 4.Man, I still remember when she realized that Kris had her watch on, good times.
>>83734822do you go by a name anywhere?
>>83734790On one hand, Yandere Kris is hot.On the other, I'm scared for swapped normal route and who replaced Susie.
>>83734801A lot of it was made by women self-inserting as Noelle which made it great as it focused on feelings rather than pure eros. Don't know if yandeer would scratch the same itch.
>>83734844I think swap Kris would get along with a regular Susie. It's not like Momdyne where Susie is different, and swap Kris is a fun little chaos gremlin and Susie would enjoy their antics and bounce off of them in a way the more stoic swap Noelle doesn't.
>>83734884Aqua gave me major Swap Kris vibes.
>>83734790Not shutting down your idea, but I'm just reminded of the WR Swap idea we had floating around here in that it would be Noelle still doing it. Albeit out of a extremely misguided desire to protect Kris by "doing something crazy" In this case trying to break him out of reality to save him.>>83734884I'd like to think Kris and Susie would still have that troubled relationship in Swap, but it would be mended in Chapter 2. It would also give leeway to WR Swap.
>>83734839uhhh i go by bestday on the snoot threads, dont really post anywhere else if that's what you're wondering
>>83733169Let's be honest, Kris would do the fake drop Susie pulled at the beach, but they'd do it for MUCH longer than she did it and multiple times
The Knight being a time looped Noelle from WR is actually becoming incredibly satisfying, if tragic conclusion to things. Would make sense for how Roaring Knight treats him, and how Kris tries to avoid a lot about Noelle to protect her, alongside Noelle using swords. But that would bring the question on if Kris would know about the time loop or not.
>>83734950Mmm, don't use those threads but I am familiar with a few cross-posting artists like Xileth. Well, before he got himself banned somehow. Thanks anyway!
The Suselleslop is cringe but I won't lie that there is part of me that does like some of the Kris yearning art, it makes me feel
>>83734539this is retard projection. yandeer is what i was THERE for. i was happy for her
>>83734988If Kris is working with the Knight (which is very likely) then it's extremely likely Kris would know about the timelooping. How much exactly would probably be on the lower end, just that it's happening rather than everything that NoelleKnight has been doing. It makes it even worse for Kris experiencing the Weird Route though, knowing that what is happening is basically a temporally determined certainty that Kris has no chance of stopping and their strongest ally has no care about (since it's just feeding into her own, already-ordained existence).Normal route Kris probably wakes up every day and thanks the Angel that it's not happened to Noelle yet.
>>83734884I meant who swapped with Susie in the AU.Berdly seems like the obvious choice but I dunno...
>>83735025It would also make sense as to why Kris is completely broken by Chapter 4. He knows there's no going back after that point.
>>83735048>Who swapped with SusieNoelle did in terms of the party. If you're wondering about the Ralsei equivalent, it's McBeered.
>>83735066Oh I see
>>83734988The fact Kris holding back against the Knight in the Chapter 3 fight makes more sense...and the fact they start to deal more damage as the fight goes on, seeing Noelle still will not back down
>>83733171Whoever Anon3345 is in the Magma, I like your doe!
>>83734988>kris cried themself to sleep because they realized what's about to happen to her
>>83735093Reminds me a bit of a couple of endings of 999 where one of the characters absolutely knows they are about to die horribly because the MC is being a retard in this timeline.
Oh, that wretched sneer. Imagine the rest of her family pulling a look this wicked.
Reminder suffering builds character
>>83735156Indeed, but it's not like it's (You) who has to suffer :)
>>83734994Unfortunately, misery is Kris's best environment.
More like Prosneed
>>83735169The completely blank dialogue boxes at the beginning of Ch 5 WR are so underrated, that shit seriously spooked me out, I legit thought the game was bugged at first for a second because the first thing I inspected was the Bandage in the inventory lol
>>83735150Carol kinda just looks like that all the timeReally makes you think, between that and her obsession with red hearts
>>83735150Asgore probably got yelled at by Carol while she was making this exact expression.
>>83735191Me too dude and Kris being slow kinda freaks me out too so I had to like look at a playthrough just ot make sure
>>83735150Could Rudy even look mad like this?
krih.....
>>83735235The Krissy cute...
>>83735191>>83735217I was kinda expecting that but still got spooked, truly felt like I stepped into one of those cursed copy ARGs.
>>83735235what a cute lil guy
>>83735191Wasn't the first time either.
>>83735230course, just tell him you made his dear sweet Noelle kill someone.
>>83735051>>83735093You can imagine Kris begging the Knight to help, to stop it, to do anything to help or even just make the pain be worth something.>"You were unlucky, Kris.">Her body shifts and tightens, her mind recalling what shall soon befall them.>"There have been many unlucky Krises.">Her voice grows a little softer.>"Cherish the time you have left. Precious few moments.">Her shoulders slump, and her fingers release their tension from Dess' bat.>"I'll find you again, in another time."
>>83734140Whaaaaat? It's just an ordinary sillhou- OH MY GOODNESS! Toby!
>>83735207The Weird Route has driven Noelle to contempt for not only her life but her very home, and in Carol's case I imagine very similar awful emotions left their mark as well. Trauma and obsession can warp a person.>>83735230I would genuinely be offput to see a man as kind as Rudy even attempt a face that scornful. Toby's decision to use Noelle's freaky ICE-E expression as her first personal impression back to the Weird Route was definitely a tactical one. His cheer is probably what's kept him alive this long.
>>83735217Now I want to see Cringelle trying to act like yandeer only to come out cringy but in a cute way.
>>83735235Krissie Kissie grew only like ten pixels in seven years. Their fate was sealed from that very moment.
>>83735335Born to be picked up and carried around.
>>83735355
>>83735315>"Kris I am gonna uh I am uh I am g-gonna do stuff to you b-bad things" *fucking explodes*
>>83735355DAS RITE
Rudy Knight is the Adachi of Knight theories
>>83735335Heaven above I need to ride him until he passes out.
>>83735376Most likely suspect after process of elimination?
>"They say her antlers grew three sizes that day..."
>>83735392I need to make him sit in my lap and pet him until he melts.
>>83735438oh my god... she could easily kill someone with those
>>83735450You get me.
>>83735438Grabbing this Noelle by her antlers and doing this.
>>83735458Their bizarre length and that random patch of hatching reminds me of a moth's antenna and it's kind of disgusting me.
>>83735517It's probably a bit of leftover velvet, she's still growing them in.
Which holiday loves sucking cock?Which holiday loves breastfeeding?
>>83735545Rudy to both questions
>>83735555A swift kick will send this thing fl->those quadsNevermind
>>83735438>>83735517Nozelle
>>83735555Hey that's the Dess parallel.
>>83733171I’ve been enjoying that new pen I’ve been using for the last few days. It’s fun to use.
>>83735555imagine the stench
>>83734988But what does this imply about the soul? The only means that we are currently aware of for Noelle to become so overwhelmingly powerful would be for her to use a human soul, but the only soul that she could possibly be in possession of is the red soul and it must be in tact because if we are destroyed, we simply go back in time. That would mean the player is in two places at once.
>>83731792damn, just hanging that in our faces... If that gets uploaded, I'll put it up on the "temporary" mega (that's been there for like, over a year now?)
>>83735555Seth a cute, checked. Really hope to see more art interpreting her as a bnuuy in the future.
This will be how Chapter 7 starts.
>>83735643Seth's a flower, what do you expect that thing to smell like? Not flowers?
>>83735670Why is she yiiking out
>>83735682Seth is a fat, sweaty, stinky nerd who is topless under her robe with only faint flowery undertones.
>>83735691Why aren't you?
>>83735670lmfao. This feels like the perfect punchline to all those Kris & Susie memes from back in the day
>>83735716I am, I am literally writing a long rant about it that no one would care about.
What if...Toby backstabs Suselle fans too in Chapter 6?
>>83735691She was in the middle of PROCEEDing to the other side of the lake only to end up in Wisconsin, of course she'd lose it
>>83735737No one can be allowed to be happy. It would be so funny to see Susie realise "Holy shit, Noelle has a little bit of a toxic personality."
>>83735737Suselle existing as Susie's counterreaction to the Prophecy's end and thus unknowingly fulfilling her own role in it would honestly give the ship just as much staying power after Deltarune is wrapped up if it inevitably results in her death. Doubly so for Krusie if he's the one to deal the killing blow. Her emotional state and rationale have rapidly begun to be called into question despite her good intentions, and that's never a good sign.
>>83735737Honestly at this point the absolute best case scenario I can see is an ambiguous ending. Something like this, Kris confronts Noelle and/or Susie and lays out their feelings for them, this makes Susie and Noelle reconsider their whole relationship with him, it is at least implied that they too reciprocate Kris' feelings in some capacity, though no answer is clearly stated. After that whatever happens at the end happens and their relationship status is never addressed again.That's basically the best case scenario at this point, you don't have Suselle fans crying about their toy getting taken away right after it was presumably confirmed, and you also give hope to Kriselle and Krusie fans that their ship is actually possible and might happen.
>>83734795>>83735596I like your style
>>83735829I could see Toby giving us one last dig and having the choice text box pop up with "I love you, Susie" and "I love you, Noelle." But it's one of those Susie textboxes where you don't get to make a choice unless you're quick.
>>83735850Gift of Prophecy moment,
>>83735850If that shit actually happens and I miss it I'll alt+f4 immediately, I will replay the entire fucking chapter if needed.
>>83735829>Kris confronts Noelle and/or Susie and lays out their feelings for themI don't ever see see anything like this happening unless Kris is without the SOUL.
gaster wanted them to find him btw
>>83735882>>83735887The way I am imagining the scene too is Kris on their knees, Susie with her axe to Kris' neck with Noelle by her side after saving Noelle from the Knight and finding Kris working with themIn Normal Route, you don't actually get to see what Kris is about to say because in my head, the Soul is already with Susie at this point. All the text says is "Kris seemed to try and say something" but then Susie cuts them with a swift axe swing.In Weird Route, part of the Soul still lingers within Kris so you can see what they're about to say, you pick your choice...but the words don't leave Kris' lips in time for the axe swing.
>>83735691
>>83735737Most likely. Kris was shafted for 5 chapters straight. No matter how much he like yuri it would just be tonally deaf to give one main character the happy ending with the girl, while screwing the other one.
>>83735929Genuinely felt sick even reading this. If that happens I'll touch entire Tokyo until I find Toby and do extremely cruel and unusual things to him.
>>83735737I think itll happen if they find Dess and Noelle realizes that she only likes Susie because she was longing for a Dess replacement
>>83733976Not to worry.The evidence will be found once the crabs are done with it.
>>83735979>all they find are scraps of clothes
>>83735829I honestly expect Suselle to fall apart next chapter. It makes no narrative sense for their relationship to go smoothly with zero hiccups
You know, people speculate on "very similar game" and shitpost about YIIK a lot, but as someone who actually played (and liked) it, I can't help but keep seeing parallels.>Y2K Debugger Ending: default ending, reality is destroyed by Alex's self-destructing tendencies. In Soul Space he finds (You)r reality and asks (You) for help. You fight manifestations of what he believes his greatest vices are before confronting Proto-Alex who's the origin point of events. Can't beat him though, so you pull the plug and reset the timeline to a new cycle. Roll credits.>KNN Ending: wish fulfillment cliffhanger. By going in different direction on the day of apocalypse you arrive at a normally unaccessible office building and do some fetch quests with normally talkative Alex being completely silent. Eventually you step into the elevator and find a girl Alex searched and lusted for so long. She hugs you, reality implied to be destroyed still, roll credits.>Y2K II: a sequel masquerading as NG+ campaign, added in I.V. Playing as different cast, you decipher Michael's notes and figure out a truth about ONISM MAN, an apocryphal manifestation of unhealthy escapism and memes. You expose him by gifting Proto-Alex a VHS tape implied to be both a filmed version of main route's events as well as a critique of it, then fight him once and for all, freeing the three souls (Alex/The Critic, Michael/The Camera, Rory/The Choir) that comprise him. Michael then wants to kill Alex but Cyrille (the nun you play as, implied to be the actress in said tape) grants both of them forgiveness. Game ends.With Noelle's comments on aborted Weird Route about how nothing changes, abrupt end on non-aborted Weird Route, and the ominous "one ending" remark with a question mark on product page, it might end up being a dud ending that just hints you in a different direction. People including Toby suggested it's wish fulfillment, "the soul does what it wants", etc. This would parallel KNN ending.(cont)
>>83736003Normal route might nominally fix things, but Susie and Noelle's vices, their corrupted desire for freedom, will fail to be addressed, so might be Kris's depression. It'll leave you with a bittersweet feeling like you're missing an important step. Knight group chat, for example, might not even ger addressed again.Now the real meat and potatoes would be in the long theorized Twisted Route. With Weird Route all but confirming timeloop shenanigans, it'd make sense to start anew with all the gathered knowledge. The perspective might get shifted to characters not seen before as first party, like the Vessel or Knight and whoever's working with them. The end goal is to make the Twisted Sword and confront the duo/trio, freeing them from their desire for freedom. They finally see things for what they are and strive to be better persons for each other. The Prophecy has been broken and the town returns to normal life. "Stories can be retold" and you've just done that. You might even get shipbait scenes of your choice after credits if Toby feels particularly frisky but don't count on that.Of course maybe a fourth of that would happen at best, but that's the way I see things while being obsessed with both games and knowing there's been some history between the two gamedevs.
speculation timesince, if we end up inside the shelter trough the weird route, it means that the entrance/EXIT is still lockedaltough there might be a way to unlock it from inside heres what i think happen : Susie comes to the rescuesusie would have done the dark world of chapter 5 and 6 by herself and collected the codes to the shelter on her ownbasically she'll do the "hero of another story" shticki bet she'll be surprised to see noelle and kris already inside the shelterwell, unless she stumble right at the final battle and theres no time for surprisethe cavalry is here!
what if kris dressed like jack from bioshock
>>83736003>>83736010Interesting stuff
>>83736013But darkworld in chapter 5 was created by Kris. If he is not around there is no darkworld
>>83735972Wanna be even more sick? Imagine it's the only time we get a Kris talking sprite and they're crying as it says "Susie/Noelle, I-">slash, like Swoon
>>83735972It could be worse. Imagine Kris chained in a pillory, paraded across the whole town while people throw rocks at him, before arriving at the square. The last thing he sees before the guillotine drops is Susie and Noelle in the audience, making out.
>>83735929let's not try to start mass-producing our own doomium guys, it's pretty clear from susie's erraticism that something is afoot
I hope you get a chance to hug Kris when we get our vessel back
there are no happy endings
Okay, take it back to the fanfiction site.
>>83736061Those bedroom eyes are gonna kill me.
>>83736061This really isn't doomium, to me it's a little more tragedy than that. I COULD have Kris finish the sentence just as the axe hits so Susie/Noelle hears it.
>>83736063>get our vessel back
>>83736074Hell yeah
>>83736063>"Comfort him/Do not" moment but with us and KrisToby please
>>83734008>"Dude, y'know Kris flirts with EVERY enemy, right?">Only enemies that have the Flirt ACT available are the Hathy, Head Hathy, Watercooler/HolyWatercooler (and not the Miss Mizzle within the HolyWatercooler), and Pink/Mew-MewSusie, you slanderous harlot.
>>83736013There's no Flower Dark world and I assume there's gonna be no Chapter 6 Dark world because the catalysts for both of them to happen (Kris and Noelle) aren't there.Although the third board of Mantle implies we're still gonna kill the flowers and Asgore, so maybe opening the Shelter long enough will lead to all of Hometown become one giant dark world?
>>83736063We probably aren't going to have many opportunities for interaction with Kris if we're inserted into another Vessel since, well, y'know... the greying skin. If it's a situation where Kris NEEDS us back then you'd better believe Krisfight is real.
>>83736010It really seems clear that the game intends you to play the Weird Route after being done with the Normal Route, it's actual name being Side B gives that even more weight, so it really makes you wonder if the actual final intended ending will be in that Side B.Another thing that I'm not sure on is the Twisted Sword, some people say it's tied to another route, this could make sense, as you need to beat all secret bosses to get the pure crystal, then the thorn ring, which I personally suspect you will also be able to get outside of aborting the weird route. If Side B is meant to be player after Side A, the normal route, then I think it's fair to say that it's also expected for the player to play it after they've acquired the Twisted Sword, I think it would make sense for the very inquisitive and obsessive player to first squeeze all they can from Side A before moving on to Side B, which really makes me wonder if that means the Twisted Sword will lead to its own unique thing later on or not.
>>83733940Reminder that the thorn ring is just a thorn currently. There's no trance.
>>83736111I think Mantle hints at another secret ending. To Mantle game loop we have to find the sword. The twisted sword. We can't get it in weird route since we skip chapter 5 secret boss, so it must be it's own thing.
>>83735596What brush you using?
>>83736144The Trance effect of the Thorn Ring has already served its purpose, but flavor text with Susie's only new axe for the chapter somewhat implies that thorny objects, in this case brambles, possess inherently wicked qualities.
>>83736144Dark world weapons are regular household items that are given a different meaning, kinda like when you find a cool stick that looks like a gun as kid. Noelle saw the thorn, recalled the Thorn Ring and gave it the same meaning as before. Spamton even mentions you should've bought two if you abort the route.
>>83736129The thing is chapter 6 is the implied end chapter. Gerson in chapter 4 said that there is only only 5 books with last one not being written. So in normal ending we will end at chapter 6, and chapter 7 is for special routes, with us breaking the prophecy in one way or another
>>83736192Yeah that makes sense, the way you get to Chapter 7 Side A is through the Twisted Sword, Side B is through the Weird Route, it works perfectly I think.
>>83733734This the much-discussed molDesster?
Surprisingly hard to find kress art. Is it so unpopular?
>>83736162https://files.catbox.moe/cmliww.sut
>>83736253Not at all, that particular Dess is very wholesome and occasionally very spoopy.
>>83734276Oh shit...
>>83736266Should I go seek out the moldesster? Would my life be improved by finding the Dess who molests?
>>83734270>snowcoomersThe hell does that mean anyway? Nta but I wasn't able to play until the 26th.
>>83736256It's not super popular but the main issue is that it's what art there is is all over the place. Some of it is in Tumblr, some on Twitter, some of that gets reposted on e6, but not all of it, in fact that's the main issue, there is no big kress collection in any boorus. One of the main factors is that a lot of Kress also includes shota stuff and that's often banned in many websites, e6 for example doesn't allow it anymore, though it used to(you can get cub stuff where the girls go "fuck my 5 year old pussy you pedophile!!!!!!!!!!!!!" though, that's 100% allowed on e6, apparently when they don't have fur it's unacceptable but when they do have fur it is acceptable).
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>>83736290Kris could have this but that fucking whore Susie and that faggot Ralsei just had to step in and ruin it for him.
>>83735555Sethling
>>83734354>Mindbroken Doe reminds you of how hot her mom is
>>83736297THE Moldesster belongs to Vaalgarth, who hasn't been around in a hot second. He's kind of the one who kickstarted the whole thing here, or at least kicked it into overdrive for a good while. And no it wouldn't, she's also just plain evil and regularly beat Kris because she could. Her Knighting is canonically a violent comeuppance by Gaster's hand that was a long time coming.
>>83734755Nelly!
Why did he do it? Just for laughs? Some sick game?>Just to watch a good man suffer?
>>83736394Vaalgarth did the more violent side of it, but the OG Kressfag was Ei.
>>83736394>>83736458And I have respect for neither of these artists anymore. Vaalgarth pussied out because it became too popular for him
>>83736448>Bird, why did you do that?>Doctor, it's for character development. You said so yourself you wanted to speed up development
>>83736290I need herAll the cats in deltarune are so peak we got Tasque Manager, catti, mew mew and temmie too? I am not exactly sure what kinda animal temmie is tho
>>83735555>Dess was a fucking nerd all along
>>83736458I only refer to her as such because "Moldesster" was how he referred to that Dessign verbatim. Ei's work has always depicted their relationship very considerately despite the subject matter. If memory serves I think his first drawing may have been a comm, but I could be mistaken on that.
>>83733825Hmm...Need to see a green where Kris and Noelle do elope out of nowhere
>>83736481Also catty too (I forgot)
>>83736481>what kinda animal temmie is thoWas it not obvious that she's a living, fur-covered onahole?>Temmie>Tennie>Tenga
>>83736478>Doctor it's, doctor it's... development. Especially, the development.
>>83736513Oh my god... It all makes sense now
>>83736527WHITE
>>83735596Style giving me Parappa vibes I dig it
>"Thousandfold flush!"
>>83736658>Noelle deciding how much money she's going to spend on getting Kris a gift>(It's not even a special occasion)
>>83736234Sauce?
>>83736707I actually don't know, sorry.
How violently did she rape him after this scene?
>"Careful now! Or Hobbits go down to join the Dead Ones, and light little candles of their own."
>Thread is going good with discussion>Rapefags wake up and immediately fuck up the threadIt's brown hour, I see.
>>83736755The safe word was "harder"
The Queen and King of the Festival.
>>83736777What the fuck are you talking about you retarded schizo
>>83736755Kris' beating on the trash can pales in comparison. The damage to his HP at the end of that scene is actually from how hard she was thrashing his pelvis
>>83736700>complete the Weird Route up to the Freeze Ring but back out purchasing it>one of the only major changes from that point onward is that Noelle randomly buys you a super strong secret weapon from a shop in Chapter 6It only just hit me, but unless she was carrying a massive wad of disposable income from day one (she wasn't), then I'd honestly love to know what happens to banknotes in the Dark World.>>83736707https://x.com/Nebu27/status/2054694305508319490Cut section of an already finished drawing unfortunately.
>>83734560she's vegetarian
>*You feel like something beautiful is going to happen here…
>>83736792Noel Hollyday and Kris Dreamer
Interesting, very very interestinghttps://voca.ro/15MD0ilIWWiwhttps://voca.ro/17PJKwVgSqWC
>>83736831Pescetarian at the bare minimum, don't forget the caviar, but she doesn't refuse to eat implicitly meat-based healing items in the Dark World either, so.
>>83736297Rape is horrible genderwise, what the fuck is wrong with you
>>83735647The SOUL is a connection, if the connection is lost (as in in-between chapters where Kris wakes up) the connection is lost or interrupted but the SOUL remains.
>>83736869They deserved to win!
>>83736192>>83736234>the EverybodyWeapon's stat boosts plateau going into Chapter 6 based on all the new equipment I'm scared.
>>83735658yeah it's cool if it's on the OP, there's a lot of stuff so i'm hoping someone can figure out how to use the tags to make navigation easier
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/dess-holiday-hb-juan-deltarune-updated-ae2105a5c8dd402f9f10a58655b23476No clue if we have any 3D guys in the house besides Ed, but HB_Juan's Dess model got a visual update and is available for free to download.>>83737063>all of Carol's pillows are red because Kris stained them with ketchup replaying the same heart pulling trick over multiple years>they were originally white and sat upside down like Monster SOULs>she liked the new look so much she decided to get creative with them
>>83737103>Carol, realizing that half her white heart pillows are now irreparably stained red thanks to Kris: "...you know what, this actually looks nice.">She corners Kris holding a red pillow, kid thinks he's in trouble...>Turns out Carol wanted him to "fix" the rest - don't leave a job half-done, after all.>Somehow, all of these pillows have made it to present day.>Still smelling faintly of ketchup (to the point where, when Kris and Susie are at the Holiday house in Chapter 4, Kris has to stop Susie from eating one of them.)
I think I finally found the explanation as to why I thought Noelle's expression was even more deranged and creepy than the actual sprite when I played due to the blurhttps://x.com/titty_pizza/status/2071243782415135140?s=20
>>83736649man I love every dialogue and detail about dessriel but I just hate most fandesignspls toby give us their canon designs soon
>>83737204>Dess didn't keep them stowed away so Kris couldn't reach them, she just thought the idea of hoarding blood-red hearts was metal as fuckYou already know this is the canon reason. Imagine if Blood Crushers The Band actually went somewhere and they tossed those out to spectators claiming they were stained crimson with "real" human blood, when in reality it was some silly group project they all got up to behind the scenes.
>>83737320THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO CHANGE YOUR EXISTENCE...WON'T BELONG THERE!
>>83737320pretty sure everyone peeped the connection here on hour one but it's still cool to see fanart with it as an inspiration
>>83736264Cool thanks
>>83737320So i am not the only person who thought that her teeth looked cheeped in new sprite
>>83737320Beaches and Shores, Kris.
>>83737320hey it’s john persona.
>>83737357cute does
>>83737357Braces...
>>83737320Adoechi
Holy cow, it's already for more EDITIONS
>>83736960Be honest. Dess molesting her sister is pretty hot. Passing on what her mother taught her.
>>83737103>dess modelHot damn
>>83737519Dess molested everyone in town, that's why almost no one mentions her.
>>83737519>>83737594you are boring
>if you equip seth's glasses on noelle, she vagueposts who it reminds her of instead of just mocking berdlyDESSKA SERKET REAL
>>83737612>Seth, a nerd>and the person who has a crush on Berdly>not reminding her of BerdlyWould be a nutty way to confirm that but yeah, I dunno know about it, chief.
