Deport homos.

The previous thread link is wrong

>>84008666
>>84000549

>>84008987
https://boards .4chan.org/trash/thread/83907214/ztg-zootopia-general#p84000549

Uhh here just connect the space and you'll be good to go

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>>84007316
Based, faggots need deportation asap

>>84007109
Previous thread: https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/83907214

>>84000549
>I want to think the alley beating would not come to pass, but it'd be rather close to happen, although it'd be just Don and Remmy instead of ganging up on him maybe?
Would this be because Remmy wouldn't have gone on a date with Anneke? So he wouldn't have pissed her off and he wouldn't go on that character arc? This saying something to piss off Don instead? That would be an unfortunate scenario, especially cuz Remmy isn't the type to learn something unless if it happens to him. And Don simultaneously wouldn't learn anything about Remmy unless Al makes it explicitly clear what's going on to his alpha. (and I don't think Al would notice "this" little tidbit about this version of Remmy without everybody around him pointing it out/gossiping about it)
>Liked the concept and yeah, found it pretty good, you did a great job man, and Thanks for having made it.
>Sorry for the way late reply, was a tad busy
Well, thank you. And don't worry, I was busy at work last night so I hadn't had the chance to respond, either. Don't know if you'll see this, but I'm glad you enjoyed it

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>>84013222
>things I want to see in Z3

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>>84014217
>how furries see scalies
>scrawny twig-like limbs and matter colorless skin

>how scalies see themselves
>meaty, thicc limbs with shining shimmring scales

I am the only one who thinks they too tim-burtoned the raptile designs?

Bump

>>84017301
i need their hybrid abomination to be canon just because I want to die of cuteness in the theater seat. It's my life goal

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>>84017446
>h

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>>84013222
Great!

>>84017555
I didn't need to see that

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>>84017555
It's fucking AI slop
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVDlQMkjJrn/?utm_source=popular_topic_grid

Walter.

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>>84011885
>Don't know if you'll see this
Oh i did saw it, no worries.
Honestly, it's been so long i read pack street, and i wasn't even thta up to date, so all the story is already waaay too fuzzy, can't remember much besides specific actions like when Charlie slept (literally) with Remmy cuz his wool, Wolter going to bunnyburrow, Remmy watching a Bellwether doll get shredded publically from his window, Don beating Remmy in the alley along his pack and going on an angry yet vague rant about how sheep causing the savage nighthowlers incident put innocent mammals in the hospital vaguely hinted to be Dewey one of them, A chapter before that Remmy seeing Don incredibly sad mopey and distraught all alone sitting on a bench but remmy decided not to go to him. And also remember the comic about Ozzy trying Grass Fries for the first time inspired by Remmy liking meat, and hating the fries.
>This saying something to piss off Don instead?
Remmy's always been a very closed book who tends to expect the worse, can't keep his mouth shut in important moments, and proyecting a LOT of his insecurities. I'm sure with the change of remmy being Gay some different actions would have been taken, and with how much Remmy puts his hoof on his mouth i'm sure he'd say something stupid that would indeed piss Don off, and if Don had decided to Shank Remmy in the Original Timeline then he'd probably have done the same in the Gay Alternate Timeline, except Remmy would trigger the response way earlier and instead of the attack in the alley this would probably be just between just the 2 of them, and that fight would end with a lot of bruises and blood on both parts, a LOT of uncomfortable truths between both spilled, and afuckTON of Regret and Shame on both sides.
Honewtly i'd need more details on Pack Street to be able to theorize more a bit cuz, again, i have forgotten a ton about the story and my mind is pretty blurry with what character arcs happened.

>>84027872
snek bussy

Judy learning about Nick's seedy ex-girlfriends

>>84027872
I know reptiles divided some fans but I really liked Gary. He was adorable. What if he had been the last reptile alive trying to clear his family/species name? Or show the world that reptiles weren't dangerous?

>>84029066
they all try to warn her that she'll be next

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>>84029066
>>84030819
>Judy bumps into a vixen one day at the market and strike up a nice friendly conversation
>By pure chance the topic of boyfriends comes up and when Judy mentions nick, the vixen does a total 180
>Mammals and even the stalls all around them quickly clear a medium-size circle and watch eagerly as an improptu fight breaks between the 2
>Judy throws punches and backflips, while the vixen blocks and counters with divekicks and jumps
>A short chiptune beat starts sounding too to boot, but the 2 gals can still cmmunicate just fine without the music sounding over their voices
>Judy takes a moment to ask "just exactly, WHAT IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM" then wins the fight with her trademark double kick to the head
>The vixen, on the floor and coughing, just reaches into her vest, and procures a neatly presented card the size of an Office Word Document
>"I never thought this day would happen, again, and so soon, ehem, JUDY HOPPS! YOU DARE ENTER THE RACE WITHOUT PAYING THE DUE PRICE? I WAS JUST THE FIRST! SHOULD YOU WANT TO BE WITH NICK YOU'LL HAVE TO FACE HIS SEVEN EVIL EXES! *blegh*"
>The vixen then slumps to the ground, Xs over her eyes, tongue out, and comical birdies flying over her head in circles
>The vixen blinks in and out of existence for a few frames then dissapears with a "RESPAWNING" text where her once was
>The market quickly returns to the usual pace and Judy somehow gains ¢67
>She finally pays more attention to the letter, the hard paper only has a big Number 7 written on it
>*TUTORIAL CLEARED! KITT SMITH DEFEATED!*

>>84031236
God willing Scott Pilgrim and its consequences will be utterly forgotten in 100 years.

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>>84029079
I just think that making him naked was a choice that went against the design language of the world.

How does Zootopia 1 teaser start? One of the first sentences is this:

"The animals in Zootopia are anthropomorhic. That is just a big fancy word that means they walk around in two feet, THEY DO NOT go to work nude"

The first movie made a huge deal about it that that the animals that ARE naked are freaks and weird at the Naturalist club. It just really messes with the dedicated fans when seemingly solid basic rules of the world that everyone was building ontop of for their own headcanons are just swept aside as unimportant.

The same teaser said "there are mammals from all over the globe in Zootopia". again MAMMALS used as a synonym for animals when a sentence before they said Zootopia is animals. Meaning that leave no space for reptiles to be counted as equal in status and intelligence as mammals. So it is 100% a retcon to make them too sapient, civilized beings. You don't fuck with the fundamental premise like that. It makes all worldbuilding pointless because nothing fits into canon now, even the most careful writers that tried really hard to make their stories fit into the setting can become completely stupid and jarringly too different from canon.


whats gonna be retconned next? "in Zootopia humans never happened, which makes a modern civilized world that's entirely animal."

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>7 years ago, a FEMALE fox suddenly appeared

>>84033710
Best Pack Street Ship

Forever thinking about the fact that Al is an ineffective leader who holds the pack together through duct tape and aura. I wonder how amazing he really was as a youth that has people still in awe of him even now, but now his ears are so old he can't even hear pitch whistles anymore. Ozzy is living in a closet and even though he knows he's in charge of a guy who needs weekly visits from a government official, he somehow managed to forget that he can't drive. He mitigates memory lapses with a notepad but who knows what else he's let slip under the radar

Also forever thinking about the fact that Pack Street as a series demonizes people who don't want to socialize with others. It's one thing to have a story about the power of community, but it's another to completely ignore the mental health reasons for why a person may need to separate themselves from all the drama, the interactions, and proximity of others. Perhaps they can't handle constant stimuli due to a neurotypical disorder, perhaps they have trauma they can't share because they don't feel safe to do so. Look at how Avo and Marty treat people, for instance. Avo even mentions everyone being rough around the edges but doesn't make any apologies for it

>>84035495
For your latter bit, I think you're forgetting that Remmy is an unreliable narrator, he might think everyone was being unwelcoming in the beginning but that's just because his prejudice clouded every action they did, and once he keeps doing it no shit they're gonna be slightly hostile. And it's not like it's because he's an outsider, they seem cool with everyone who's strangers at the block party, if your neighbor is a dick despite you trying to be nice you're gonna be a dick back.

where the wildehopps pics

>>84036267
In the non canon porn Street chapter (I still consider them as accurate characterization because Weaver's hinted at it being accurate. Ozzy's little "Are you askin', or are you *askin'*?" is something he says verbatim both in and out of canon) Avo calls Phil an asshole and is surprised that Al keeps lollipops around for his diabetes issues even though he's not in the pack. We don't know why he wants to keep things to himself, but honestly, Avo and the others are super aggressive, and if Al still continues to help him even though he's alone like that, I wanna think that he has personal/understandable reasons for doing so. It's enough that Al is willing to help him out, but isn't willing to tell Remmy about Ozzy's whole weekly visits because of childhood trauma

>>84037147
A really good post I saw online that could add to my thoughts on this reads:

>The sad part people don’t realize is some children who were extremely isolated grow up to be extremely distrustful as adults. They do not like forming friendships or connections because it’s something that will always be volatile to them no matter how much time passes.
>These children (now adults) are often resentful and/or distrustful of mostly any sort of authority AND connections. It is not that they don’t desire connections, it is that they have been conditioned connections are simply not worth the risk and henceforth something to be feared.

>>84017446
I need this shitty hybrid abomination to NEVER be canon so I don't have to cry from autistic rage in the theatre seat how I cried when they turned Twilight Sparkle into an Alicorn

Besides, Judy doesn't seem to want to have kids

>>84043498
fine, they can adopt a little fox cub or something

>>84017611
This guy does a lot of art but it all kinda looks the same. I know that's sort of what happens with having an art style, but I guess I mean his stuff is all very stiff looking.

This piece in particular bothers my autism because these characters do not exist in the same universe and it would be bizarre for them to interact. I also really dislike this artists' proportions.
>>84024361
Super cute
>>84032416
>again MAMMALS used as a synonym for animals when a sentence before they said Zootopia is animals. Meaning that leave no space for reptiles to be counted as equal in status and intelligence as mammals. So it is 100% a retcon to make them too sapient, civilized beings. You don't fuck with the fundamental premise like that.

Perfectly said. Say it louder for the people in the back. I enjoyed Z2 (I was more excited about it upon release because I was just hype we got a second movie), but this is NOT the movie I wanted and they completely worldbroke the existing rules for this universe and I'm pretty upset about it. Going forward, I won't be counting Z2 as canon in any fanfic or fanart I do.

The one positive which I can draw from Z2 I guess, is we finally got to see Nick's house, which the creators mentioned wanting to show in the first movie but which they ended up being unable to do so. So even if I don't take the broken world building and story as canon, that one tidbit still can be for any fanworks I make, or which anyone else makes who may share the same mindset as me and the above anon I quoted.
>>84037000
Go to the subreddit they never fucking stop posting there. May as well be called r/wildehopps

>>84043498
Jesus you need help.

>Besides, Judy doesn't seem to want to have kids

According to who, what are your sources

>>84044092
not him, I'm actually the pro hybrid anon, but I do think that the "judy is not as motherhood obsessed as her mom and grandma" is a valid argument.

It might be kind of implied in Z2 when the phonecall is interrupted by grandma with "I pray everyday you come back home and make babies". Judy does has a little "wincing" reaction to that it seems.

Maybe she just disturbed about her grandma's obsession consdiering she already has over a 1000 grandkids and greatgrandkids, but it could be that she is not a fan of the idea. But I wouldn't mind that also being a part of the conflict in Z3. Judy and Nick talk family, Nick is for it but Judy is undecided but through the adventure and her having to take care of a kid (like Alan Grant had to with Lex and Tim in Jurrasic Park) she warms up to the idea.

Speaking of Jurrasic park, its just another reason why I want wild birds. Imagine Judy and Nick needing to hide against and Eagle that looks for them like a velociraptor.

>>84044092
>Jesus you need help.
Lol, because I think the idea of a world-breaking retarded hybrid character is a BAD idea? yes I would cry out of anger from the ruination of a world I really deeply care about.

By the way, I was 13 when I cried over Twilight Sparkle's Alicornification, for what it's worth

>>84044345
>judy is not as motherhood obsessed as her mom
I think there's enough canon material to conclude that Bonnie and Stu genuinely love each other. All their kids are just a side effect of that. Nothing to do with motherhood obsession as I see it.

>Judy does has a little "wincing" reaction to that it seems.
Yes, because making babies isn't a one doe job, a buck has to be involved. Her grandma is saying that she should get home and just randomly pick a guy and then "go at it". There's no reason to think that kids by themselves are what Judy has an issue with, it could just as well be the man that has to be the father. Judy has been living in Bunnyburrow her whole life, and yet she's still single. Clearly no man had met her standards. With Nick, her desire to have kids / make a family could very much be a new goal of hers.

>>84044092
They probably think she never wants kids cause of that one scene with the annoying grandma saying give me grandkits. Even though anyone would make that face. Judy could want kids and simply not be ready for them right now. Nothing indicates she doesn't want any. I'm not against hybrids myself, since it would most certainly be adorable, but with Nick and Judy's past and growth I think it'd be sweeter if they adopted at some point down the line.

>>84045185
>All their kids are just a side effect of that. Nothing to do with motherhood obsession as I see it.
those are not mutually exclusive things. Someone would want to be a mom really badly, and be madly in love at the same time

> Her grandma is saying that she should get home and just randomly pick a guy and then "go at it"
Funny thing, some localizations change her dialogue, and some imply her encouraging Judy to go at it with Nick.
In polish(? i think) she interjects when Bonnie talks about Nick with "drag him to the altar! I want grandkids"

>>84044801
>I cried over Twilight Sparkle's Alicornification

Why would you cry about that

>>84044801
>I was 13 in 2013
am I the only millennial around here

>>84046441
I'm gonna be thirty in a few days, you aren't alone

>>84043723
>but this is NOT the movie I wanted and they completely worldbroke the existing rules for this universe and I'm pretty upset about it. Going forward, I won't be counting Z2 as canon in any fanfic or fanart I do.

Lets take solace in it that the worldbuilding still makes more sense than Beastars

I am trying to work in my own headcanons, even if I need to change small details about what the movie implies.

>There is no reptile nation/continent, reptiles are everywhere but their towns are more reclusive and their communities too thight-knit to really learn anything about them, that's why mammals talk about people as "mammals" too often, because reptiles are just not interacting with mammals at all. Like in a fantasy setting where human society gets used to calling people humans, because elves rarely leave their enchanted forests and palaces to mingle with the human society.

>Only person that says that snakes are banned is Nibbles -> she exxegerates for her podcast. Snakes aren't actually banned, but there are currently no political ties to any snake town/city. Mammals are freaked out at the gala, not solely because Gary is a snake, but because him being a snake makes it obvious that he must've entered the city without an official diplomatic arrangements, they probably think Gary is an extremist. They would've reacted the same way to a lizard or a turtle too

>Nick's reptile-phobia is not species driven but culture driven, based on the reptiles he probably have heard about in zootopia. He sees them as weird hillbilly rednecks, which is why he didn't question why they would want him to eat a live worm, he thought its probably really what they eat. Which isn't too far from the truth, considering in the same scene they literally lick a stick covered in live flies. He probably has no actual problem with reptiles other than they weird him out with their different social norms like how the geckos hugged him for body-warmth without consent. It's culture shock

>>84046306
It made me really upset because it didn't feel right or appropriate. The balance was broken. The main characters are all supposed to be equal, but nope, let's just shove immortality and ultimate power upon a mortal character who showed good leadership despite her anxious nature with her closest friends, and with their help... now she's a different race than them and is "above" them... it makes no sense, also, the giant fuck off wings look awful. Horrible decision all around.

>>84046441
I mean, I'll be 27 in August. I'm not like super zoomzoom
>>84046787
While I appreciate your cope to deal with this world building change, I simply cannot put my headcanons into this same space. The universe makes the most sense through the lens of the first movie's premise, and with the way they're going, it seems they will break things further by making birds sapient, too. Which means no more assumed food source of chicken or something, which makes me sad because then what are carnivores left with? Fish and peanuts? Sad.

>>84043603
While I despise the ship, this would make the most sense to me over breaking the established rules of the universe with stupid fucking hybrids

>>84047998
i hope birds remain non-sapient, but I also think they would probably remain in a pet-wild-life status, where its weird or rare to eat them. We have food sources with fish, bugs, crustaceans and mollusks.

Like sure they have egg-farms, but I like to imagine that zootopians are bit more fond of their birds. I at least hope thats the case.

>>84049240

weird why did half of my text disappear?
anyway.

>>84049240
Its alright you don't like hybrids or wildehopps, though, considering in-movie dialogue of grandma hopps encouraging Judy to marry Nick and still give her grandkits, they def can have biological offsprings. Maybe its the cartoon rule of the kid randomly being one of the species of the parent.

>>84049722
>considering in-movie dialogue of grandma hopps encouraging Judy to marry Nick and still give her grandkits
Are you retarded? In the ORIGINAL English speaking dialogue, she NEVER implies Judy can have babies with Nick specifically. ONLY in the stupid Polish dub do they imply anything like that, and since that's a stupid dub that changed the dialogue, you are just objectively wrong. They are not biologically compatible. Part of Zootopia's worldbuilding is hyper-focused on the uniqueness and the traits of each individual mammal species. They are evolved, but still have focus on the fact that they ARE whatever animal they are. Their biology and the way they function is still identical to real-world animals, just that they have intelligence.

No, they are not compatible. Judy's grandmother says, "I pray everyday you'll come home and make babies!", this quote with the line "come back home" implies she wants Judy to stop doing police work in Zootopia and come settle down with a buck (male rabbit) to make those new rabbit babies.

Hybrids are world breaking and make ZERO sense for the established universe. We would see freak hybrid animals walking around if it were something possible for this world, which, with everything we've seen thus far, it is not.

>>84050088
Well her not wanting kids is just your personal take not actually stated in the movies or by the creators.

>>84050088
So what you're saying is if Judy doesn't want babies, Nick is perfect for her.

>>84050195
Yes, it's only fan lore, probably driven by Borba comics.
The hybrid concept sounds fun, but totally lacking in logic, the best you could hope for is a version of either the mother or father (generally mother), actually hybrids are a mess idea and would have to be sterile, otherwise hybrids would mix with hybrids, and after ten generations or so, the populace would all be sparkle dogs.

>>84050249
And if she does Nick would be a perfect father, so win win. Just adopt when they're ready.

>>84050195
>her not wanting kids is just your personal take not actually stated in the movies
She literally grimaces when her grandma says the line about wanting her to make babies. I feel that's enough for me to deduce she doesn't seem interested in having kids.
>>84050249
Lol if it's only sex from a dick she cannot ever physically take all of, then sure. That would be like a 5'2" woman dating a 6'4" man with a 12" long cock. He's never gonna be able to bottom out in her.
>>84050297
>Yes, it's only fan lore
Again, she makes a disgusted face from her grandmother's comment. It's just as much "fan lore" that she does want kids as it is she doesn't. All of it is fanon, dude. I don't know why you people want to insist your headcanons are above others, especially when the headcanon of her NOT wanting them has some literal visual evidence from the character herself which can cause one to extrapolate "hmm, based on the grimace on her face, she may not want kids" like what???
>>84050445
I despise the ship but if they absolutely must force it then yes, adoption would make way more sense to me with how Judy is as a character. She seems to want to be sympathetic specifically to mammals other than herself with a desire to learn, so a different species child than ether of them altogether would make the most sense to me.

>>84050544
>mammals other than herself
I meant mammal species other than the one she is*

>>84050544
>Grandma bugs her for stupid shit
>Makes a face
Who wouldn't make a face? Even if someone wants kids eventually they're not gonna be happy to constantly be annoyed about it especially when said Grandma already has hundreds of grandkids. I think your deep rooted hatred for mixed races, I mean hybrids, is clouding your judgement. I mean it's obvious you hate the ship, people can't post anything about it without you going off on how you're the true beacon of relationship knowledge.

>>84050627
>I mean it's obvious you hate the ship, people can't post anything about it without you going off on how you're the true beacon of relationship knowledge.
Dude where did I ever claim I was the true beacon of relationship knowledge? All I've done is explain why I dislike the ship, and I also really hate the idea of hybrids not just because I dislike WildeHopps but because it is literally world breaking. It makes zero sense and is absolutely retarded. See what this anon said:
>>84050297
>actually hybrids are a mess idea and would have to be sterile, otherwise hybrids would mix with hybrids, and after ten generations or so, the populace would all be sparkle dogs.
Exactly this. The universe would be filled with stupid amalgamation bullshit characters instead of actual animals like it's supposed to be.

I'm allowed to share my disdain for a ship and hatred for a dumb concept that breaks the rules implied by the established lore just as much as everyone else is allowed to share their opinions.

>>84050663
Oh I wasn't saying I wanted them to have a hybrid. I just find your deep rooted distaste for the idea fascinating. As for the relationship knowledge thing at times you do tend to state things matter of factly as if there's no room for discussion.

>>84050627
>>84050734
I mean, she's literally already conceded multiple times that WildeHoppes appears to be the direction they're going with the characters. She's not saying they have no chemistry and make zero sense as a couple, just that she personally doesn't ship them for reasons of personal taste.

It's also a bit of an absurd and unfair stretch to equate what is in my opinion, a pretty reasonable and grounded argument against the idea of hybrids in this universe with an IRL hatred for race mixing. Those are two completely different things altogether.

I get that her "table manners" aren't always as polite and respectful as you may like, but this is 4chan, after all.

>>84050734
>I just find your deep rooted distaste for the idea fascinating.
Lol okay. I think part of my problem is I just don't really care for Judy as a character in general. I wish we'd gotten the Nick-focused first draft of the movie with the shock collars plot and the Wilde Times amusement park he wanted to open instead. That would have been way more interesting.

>>84050864
>Those are two completely different things altogether.
Didn't you just say it's 4chan? Nothing anyone says here should be taken seriously etc.

>>84050920
>>84050734
>I just find your deep rooted distaste for the idea fascinating.
I realize you meant my distaste for the idea of hybrids; I don't think it's far-fetched to dislike a concept that is literally breaking the established rules of the world... but my comment here was about part of why I dislike WildeHopps being I don't really like Judy much. But I digress.

>>84050943
I like Judy cause she's flawed. Like the city, like Nick, like life. The idea these two internally messy characters help mend each other and potentially fall in love is romantic to me. I do like the idea of a more hardened Judy from Zistopia falling for the dopey fox who she should want to arrest but realizes what he's doing wasn't wrong, too. I think both have their charm.

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My boyfriend finally gave me permission to post nudes.

good shit

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>>84051747
Why

Testing this to see if I could put this as my name just to make sure that previous post was a troll. I'm not Rebi btw

>>84052306
Looks like I can do that if I feel like it

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>>84050663
>All I've done is explain why I dislike the ship
>>84050920
>I wish we'd gotten the Nick-focused first draft of the movie

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>>84051747
>My boyfriend finally gave me permission to post nudes
Tell him to NEVER do that again!

>>84051747
This is not me holy fuck

>>84050544
>Lol if it's only sex from a dick she cannot ever physically take all of, then sure. That would be like a 5'2" woman dating a 6'4" man with a 12" long cock. He's never gonna be able to bottom out in her

Oh, I know this part, he is about to talk about why HIS human micropenis is better fit for Judy than Nick!

>>84051777
>>84052306
Clearly anyone can put my handle in and impersonate me. Not great for someone who's widely hated in these threads.
>>84052322
Unfortunately
>>84053262
I thought this thread was for Zootopia discussion, yet anytime I discuss it, it seems I get dogpiled. If I took away my nametag entirely, would you guys still hate my guts and wish I were dead?
>>84053282
That's literally not me.
>>84054093
I'm not a man. I don't want to fuck Judy, either. A micropenis is just as bad as a horsecock, dude.

Anyway, for you retards who don't remember, I took a picture of myself and my big Nick plushie from Miniso that Aussieanon bought me a few months ago and posted it here >>82294478
Yeah you can't see everything but that's me in the pic. Clearly not the abomination the above anon posted. I didn't stay awake all night last night, I actually went to sleep for once, so I wasn't up posting in the thread past
>>84050943
In any case, I don't have any other proof for ya'll of what I look like, but... I can assure you that creature above is not me

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>>84051777
>>84053282
At least give me some credit, guys. I wouldn't have gone anywhere near her if she looked like that.

>>84054175
>dogpiled
It could be like one guy for all anyone knows. That wouldn't be dogpiled.

what a strange thread

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>>84054175
>I'm not a man.
I know it was a joke, to marely point out the absorduty of the convo. There is literally no reason to discuss dick size and biology.

they are cartoon. Nick dropped like a 20 store fall onto his stomach and then got up like nothing happened and kept running. When they are grabbed their eyes pop out like a stress toy.

The directors will do what they think will sell more tickets, and allthought I like the idea of them adopting a small fox cub, most of the fandom likes to theorize about what their kids would look like. Even Ginnifer Goodwin jumped on the shipping train and jokes about how she wants it in Zootopia3 that a "a fox and a bunny make a funny".

They are cartoons. I know, it took me a long while to accept that too, it was hard, but now that I did accept it, I can have fun with it. I hope you'll be able to have fun with the setting too.

>If I took away my nametag entirely, would you guys still hate my guts and wish I were dead?

don't think anyone wants you dead. Lots of shitposting here people don't actually mean it, many have a very dark sense of humor. Don't take it personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZmE3fRebc4

>>84054402
>Even Ginnifer Goodwin jumped on the shipping train and jokes about how she wants it in Zootopia3 that a "a fox and a bunny make a funny".

This is really disheartening. Like I have explained already, Zootopia's world has been established to take very serious the actual biology of the mammals in-universe. It's part of the whole fucking plot for God's sake.

I will never, ever accept hybrids. It's a shitty idea that makes zero sense logically. If you want to ship them feel free, but they absolutely should not do hybrids because it ruins the entire universe. I will drop this franchise the second that shit becomes canon. I pray to God it won't happen because the level of rage I would feel would actually surpass Twilight Sparkle's alicornification I mentioned earlier in the thread.

The picrelated you posted is a totally, completely, utterly different universe. The movies being animated does not mean they are immune to logic the universe itself has set up. If there was any indication hybridization was real, I do think we'd have seen interspecies couples already, and like someone else already said, it would result in a world full of stupid sparkledog type OC characters.

Hybrids are a HORRIBLE idea, full stop.

>>84054402
I think the writer, in collaboration with the director, will do what they think makes for the best story. A voice actor's offhand joke comment doesn't guarantee anything. She just reads whatever's handed to her.

>>84054618
Ginnifer is Judy's voice, not just "a" voiceactor.

Byron and Rich joked about the "foxes and bunnies make funnies or boxes" even after Zootopia 1 in the first 2 years, and fact is, even Jason, Nick's voice actor also joked about how he would like to see Judy and Nick "procreate"

What matters is that in a scale like Disney, even voiceactors are part of the marketing, they would be very strickly instructed what not to joke about or mention regarding the characters.

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>>84054468
its okay, for me reptiles themselves made zero logical sense and ruin the worldbuilding, so I absolutely get it that you hate the biological components that make the setting less realistic.

Sapient birds would leave nothing bigger than a spider living in the uninhabited landmasses which would destroy the ecosystem of the planet, and would make the world absolutely undeniably a cartoon world where the characters just don't have to care or protect for nature and wild-life, which really upsets me because that's part of the realism of the setting that I really enjoyed.

I merely included the pic of the Gumball world's cartoon logic to show a middle-ground option of "they can have kids, but the kids are randomly the species of either parents, not a mix, that Disney has used in the past.

But we gotta accept that the same way they handwaved "we just didn't see reptiles in Z1" even though they straight up included things that made them impossible, we gotta accept they could just do the same with interspecies couples.

Thought
Z1 does have a sheep and a wolf pair appear in the background multiple times.

and Z2 sets up the idea with the couple disguise
>Antony surprised by Nick and Judy being a couple but is not outraged, signaling that interspecies couple are a thing, and socially accepted.
>Antony does not question Judy and Nick having a little fox baby, so its either that he assumes that Finnick is adopted, or accepts/knows that Judy and Nick COULD have a little fox as a biological offspring.

less walls of text more pics togashi

>>84054647
There's no arguing with you, is there? Anon's comment makes perfect sense to me. Yes Ginnifer is not just "a" voice actress. but regardless, jokes she and Jason have made have little to no bearing or plot relevance. They are not an active part of the marketing for the movie's plot. That's the trailer's job.

Just because the voice actors have made jokes alluding to the fandom's biggest fanfic fantasy, doesn't mean anything. Unless it becomes canon through a movie, it's not canon.

And besides that, I guess it's utterly pointless to explain for the nth time why hybrids are retarded and a bad idea. I sincerely wish everyone who was a fan of them never watched these movies. I hate that the directors are even entertaining or joking about it. Fandoms ruin media so quickly. Fans are retarded and should never ever have any bearing in what a franchise is doing.

If I had a genie, one of my three wishes would be that they never ever make hybrid abominations canon in Zootopia. I'm talking like Aladdin type genie so he actually grants the wish the way I intended, no bullshit. God I hate the hybrid thing so much. Fuck. I'm angry today.

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>>84056429
Byron an Rich were the directors of Zootopia1, and Byron and Jared directed Zootopia 2.

I never said that joking about it is a clear cut proof to it that they are going to do it, I simply said that it shows that the topic and idea is not a taboo for them. If the directors are okay with entertaining the idea instead of having a gutteral "no, never gonna happen, that's not what Zootopia/Nick and Judy are about", we have to try to accept that it has a non-zero% chance of happening.

Also, maybe people would be nicer to you if you wouldn't call everyone that likes something that you don't like "retarded". And you even attack those that agree with you I literally said that I didn't like the idea of hybrids either, I just try to accept them because I don't want to set myself up for dissapointment like I did with non-sapient/pet/wild reptiles

>>84054893
Picrelated you posted this time is of children from characters who are the same weird alien species thing, no? Not really applicable in any case since that's, once again, a different universe.
>its okay, for me reptiles themselves made zero logical sense and ruin the worldbuilding
At least we agree on one thing hahaha
They really made it obvious mammals were the only sapient species in the established world of the first movie... I don't get why they had to do another "racism" allegory type thing with the second movie. I would have much preferred another mystery solving plot... Aussieanon told me he wishes they'd have done a "what happened to Nick's dad" mystery which uncovers some kind of crazy conspiracy, but I digress.
>Sapient birds would leave nothing bigger than a spider living in the uninhabited landmasses which would destroy the ecosystem of the planet
Yeah, it doesn't make much sense how their universe functions if there's literally NO wild (non sapient) animals... I also don't like that carnivores' only protein source by this point is fish, eggs (?), nuts, and tofu. That leaves very little interesting dishes for them to eat... chicken is so delicious. It makes me sad for them.
>not a mix, that Disney has used in the past.
The Pokemon breeding logic is still moot because again, biologically it makes zero sense and goes against the biology of the animals who are clearly supposed to be analogue to their real world equivalents. What example did Disney use this in?
>and Z2 sets up the idea with the couple disguise
Interspecies couples may be a "weird" but accepted thing, but him not questioning Finnick does not then imply Nick and Judy could breed. He could just as easily assume they adopted Finnick.

A reminder to everyone, you have the ability to filter out namefags with the 4chan filter options. God does it make this general more readable.

>>84056710
>Also, maybe people would be nicer to you if you wouldn't call everyone that likes something that you don't like "retarded". And you even attack those that agree with you I literally said that I didn't like the idea of hybrids either, I just try to accept them because I don't want to set myself up for dissapointment like I did with non-sapient/pet/wild reptiles
Plain and simple the idea of hybrids IS retarded because it shows blatant media illiteracy and a complete disregard for the established biology of the world that's been set up in Z1.

I'm not calling anyone retarded. I'm calling the concept retarded. I'm sorry if you felt I've attacked you. That was not my intention. I personally cannot concede to any stupid ideas to "not be disappointed", I am hard to please. Also, I'm in a pissy mood today so I apologize. I don't wanna be mean to you dude. I'm sharing my opinion that the idea of something so incredibly world breaking, even more so than reptiles being included, is detrimental to the universe they've set up. I like Zootopia precisely because it is about anthros who keep very close to the biology and anatomy of their real world counterparts. That's what makes me enjoy the universe so much. It's wholly better than any other anthro story ever shown.

Anyway, I'll chill out for a bit now. The picture you posted is cute, I will concede to that. Japs know how to draw the best stuff

>>84056910
Thanks for the tip.

>>84056910
Guess I'll have to change it every time I post or remove it entirely

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>>84007109
I will not let this thread die
Have some nice Lorcana artwork

Remmy becoming the new alpha by howling in front of Al, making him fall into the moment, then ramming him in the knee and making him like Connor McGregor

>>84058286
I wonder if Weavs gonna continue the story, will there be someone new to the pack. As far as we know, there is still free apartments in the Crowns, or at least the wolf guy that talks to nobody could move out and replaces by someone who could become the new omega

>>84058448
Remmy putting someone through the hazing ritual of telling him/her that they can't have sex when they're the Omega

>>84060433
everything conseired Pawbert could eat all 3 of them, while Gary could eat Judy, a fight between him and Nick could go either way. In a fight between a fox and a large snake both could end up being the meal of the other.

Z3 plot idea

>movie starts with a fake wedding to catch a bad guy
>actually turns out they are actually married
>while the movie's main plot going on, Judy non-chalantly hands over divorce papers to Nick, trying to play it off as a "we didn't mean to get married anyway, so its not an emotional big deal"
>after the case is done Nick reveals he never filled the divorce papers out because he likes the idea of them
>Judy reveals that she actually didn't fill them out either (the whole time she hoped that Nick would tell her that he wants to stay married to her)
>wildehopps kiss

>>84062005
Anon, you forgot the point where everyone was racist to birds for some stupid reason that fucks with the prior world building, and then the movie ends implying Zootopia 4 will have sentient cars or something.

>>84062005
wildehopps deez nuts

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>>84054468
>I will never, ever accept hybrids.
What if the kit were all bunny or all fox, whoever's genes were dominant? This is what I prefer to hybrids myself.

>>84064587
I'll only accept it if they look like Sloth from The Goonies because it would be funny.

>>84065679
yuck

>>84064587
No, because the entire gripe is that they literally cannot breed. The universe sets itself up to be that every animal is analogue to its real world counterpart, biologically speaking, so it would bother my autism like you wouldn't believe if they did this, too.

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>>84062085
ah, figured there is no point of talking about the filler, cuz lets be honest the whole reptile/snake plot was just background noise to "Judy and Nick doing sex/couple innuendoes, the movie"

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>>84014622
Yeah, I'd have been way more down with the reptile retcon if the designs had been more interesting. Kinda just off-putting twiggy weirdos, felt like they were all gigantic vs our world while mammals are still (vaguely) proportional.

Could have also used some more "dangerous" reptiles to sell why they all might have been pushed out in the first place instead of just snakes. An alligator lurking in dark water, a chameleon hiding somewhere important, a komodo dragon breaking down a door, anything like that. It's like if every predator shown in Z1 was built like a maned wolf and tigers/pumas/lions didn't exist.

>>84065736
No yuck it's cute and Awsome

Fuck you

>>84067953
Forgot to say this, but it's also crazy that turtles got pushed out when the whole incident that kicked off the anti-reptile sentiment was supposedly a snake murdering one (or was she a tortoise?) - like, snapping turtles are kinda dangerous but even then you'd figure they'd be sloth-adjacent enough.

I get that it's a Lynxley plot so the direction the prejudice goes isn't just "natural" but you'd figure there'd be some sympathy for a supposedly "victim" group

>>84068198
yuck
fuck you too faggot

>>84067857
The thing I wonder if some get is that the snake is also a reflection of real world segregation. Now I dislike how they handled the plot, besides the handling of Nick and Judy's relationship. You can argue maybe they shouldn't do that. Better writing to explain how reptiles could fit into the world would have gone a long way.

The snake was a bad idea.
>slithers on...

>>84070497
You're a good boy, Gary. Don't hate yourself.

>>84070303
>the snake is also a reflection of real world segregation.
Okay, and what was stopping them from creating a story about this topic using pred mammals? There was no reason to introduce reptiles which as many here have stated, including myself, are world-breaking and make no sense with the previously established lore of the first movie. Just because they are trying to do another "le racism" allegory doesn't make the inclusion of reptiles necessary or good...
>Now I dislike how they handled the plot, besides the handling of Nick and Judy's relationship.
What did you mean by this? Would be interested to hear you elaborate.

that dik dik Betty had a hookup with meeting her again in a bar one day and they hit it off
>"Uh, i-is this seat ta-taken?" she hears an annoyingly weak voice from behind, but when she turns around she sees only empty space
>He's very low to the ground
>"Hah... You, uh, you look just as lovely as the day we met a while back..."
>despite desiring to be firm against any advances by a man, she feels an surprisingly jubilant smile tugging at her lips
>He's still really cute, but with a few wrinkles around the eyes that make him look even cuter, somehow
>after teasing him for still being a shrimp they talk for a bit, discussing what they do and where they are in life
>turns out, he's been a single dad for a few years and has an almost adult daughter right now
>"Haven't had the chance to really go out like this. Raising a child all on your own without support means you don't get the chance to really meet people. Not to mention you don't really want strangers to meet your kid. You know?"
>"Hm, ain't that the truth."
>"I'm glad I came here and met someone who actually understands." He gives her a frail, yet radiant smile.
>Maybe, Betty thought, his smile looks so nice cuz of all the shit he's been through. He gets it and he's still smiling.
>"You never know what kinds of people you'd be inviting to your home. But, it's... Nice. To see a familiar face. One that I trust."

>>84072507
>The wolf feels a little uncomfortable with how comfortable he was making her feel. That type of thing leads to men taking advantage of you and leaving you high and dry.
>"So, you still have my panties I gave you."
>His smile quickly disappears as he begins stammering, making adorably wild gestures with his tiny hooves
>"I mean, I... Yes. Yes, I still have them."
>"Hah! You little sentimental perv. Musta been real happy to see me, huh?"
>"Well... Are you... happy to see me?"
>She almost rebuffs him, but there's something about his tone that makes her reconsider. It's eager, so honest and vulnerable that Betty can't bring herself to hurt him by lying about how she feels.
>"You're a sight for sore eyes, I'll tell you that much." She cooly sips her tequila
>The cup strategically hides the smile she wears when his eyes light up with hope at the admission

>>84072517
>"Gosh, I- I know this is going to sound awkward, and I hope you don't get upset with me, but I don't think, after all this time, I ever got your name..."
>They've been talking like old friends but the little man makes a point that catches Betty from behind like a thief
>They don't even know each other's names
>Crossing that threshold might be a problem for her; it underscores trust, an almost promise to get to know each other more, to become invested with the other
>It scares her because she finds herself wanting to do that with him in spite of her reservations over it
>"... Betty," she whispers into her cup. "M'name is Betty."
>"Oh! You said your name! I was worried I had overstepped and you were gonna tell me to go away. Thank God. Hah." He heaves a sigh of relief that she could feel in her soul. She gets it.
>"Uh, my name's Darren. It's lovely to meet you again, for real this time."
>As if not knowing what to do with his hooves, he pats himself on the chest a few times before going, "Oh! A toast! For uh, for first introductions!" He lifts his glass towards her, and she grins. What a dork.
>"To first time reunions."

>>84072075
I didn't say their inclusion made it good. Just that Zootopia comes off as a way to show people the kind of unneeded disdain humans needlessly have for each other with animal people as the backdrop. I don't mind them doing that, personally, because people really are awful to each other and it's a good moral.

As for the story it felt messy in some spots and too fast paced. I'd rather it have been slower and made the explanation for reptiles existing fit into the world better. You cited the teaser trailer that said it was only mammals, but it was just a teaser so it doesn't come off as anything I'd say is canon. Judy shot Nick with tranq darts in teasers and she never had one throughout the first or second movie. Judy explaining mammals as a kit could also be that reptiles being in seclusion for a hundred years made them more like folk tales. Just an example not saying that's a good explanation.

As for Nick and Judy I felt they grew closer and it was handled very well. Written much better than the other bits of the story. I wish it all had been done as well. I know you're not exactly fond of the pairing, but it felt like the main plot was Nick and Judy's relationship and the reptiles were the secondary plot. With how well it did at the box office many seemed to be happy with that.

>>84072701
>people really are awful to each other and it's a good moral.
Eh I guess. I can agree people are awful.
>As for the story it felt messy in some spots and too fast paced.
I also got the feeling it was fast paced. Watching the first movie and then immediately the second really shows how much more put together and thought out the first is in comparison.
>Judy shot Nick with tranq darts in teasers and she never had one throughout the first or second movie.
My point wasn't about the trailer; I think some other anons may have cited it, but rather, I was speaking specifically on the established lore shown from the first movie in general. I see what you're getting at but I was not pointing to the teaser as "evidence", since the first movie itself i evidence enough for what sort of universe they've laid out.
>I wish it all had been done as well. I know you're not exactly fond of the pairing, but it felt like the main plot
No, I'm really not fond of the ship but I suppose that's been overstated. Funny how when I'm posting I seem to be the only active anti in the thread; my fault I guess for missing out when others are in here, lol. But I digress. I kind of felt like the relationshop stuff between them was forced / out of character / pandering to shippers in the audience, but what's done is done. I will say it gives enough ammo for someone to take the material and write an anti-shipping story, should they want to use Z2 as the jumping off point for it. I felt Nick was used as slapstick far too much in the second movie. I have my gripes with it despite being aware of the multi-faceted character motivations.

Anyway, thanks for sharing. I was curious what you meant so that was why I asked you to elaborate.

>>84073065
>pandering to shippers
Or the creators genuinely want to see them fall in love? Heaven forbid.

>>84073141
Okay, so they do, whatever. It didn't feel like a natural progression to me but whatever I'm not interested in arguing

>>84073178
How does a natural progression look?

haha wolter

>>84076815
Wolter hasn't done anything to make me laugh yet

>>84070303
I know what snakes represent but my problem is that the plot and the life-lesson would've been more believable if build ontop of established rules. displacement and segregation could've been represented with another smaller predator group.

Like imagine that instead of Reptile Ravine it would've been Vulpine Village, explaning why foxes like Nick are generally are disliked and are very rare in the city. Or some other group that hasn't appeared yet like Jackals.

People wanted the mammal and predator prey lore of the word expanded and explored more instead of it being replaced/swept aside. We care about the MAMMAL METROPOLIS and the stories that can be told INSIDE of it. Disney itself can't seem to decide what Zootopia is because they are celebrating the 10 year anniversary at D23 with it again calling it a Mammal Metropolis, despite that its no longer suppose to be just mammal. It's insanely jarring and self-contradictory.

Now every time people wrote "every-mammal" in their fanfics, makes the character they wrote look like a racist piece of shit that talks like "every-true-red-blooded-american".
That is the failure of Zootopia 2, they made everyone who took world-building for 10 years seriously look like an idiot, and its not a good feeling or inspiring to be invested in the setting anymore. They tried to one-up themselves when a smaller scale conspiracy about helping a small specific group would've been just as if not more meaningful.

Police and Judy and Nick don't only need to solve a crime if it effects thousands of reptiles and snakes, they should help even if its just 1 family that they are saving.

>>84080173
I think the Snakes/Reptiles are worse than the whole Tame-Collar Story-Line. The more you think about it the more problematic it becomes.
Ohh sorry I mean´t to write: The snake was a bad idea.

Thinking about commissioning a certain artist to draw Gazelle shrinking a fan's penis... Any ideas on her preferred shrinking method

>>84081544
cold pool

>>84081544
I hope the fan is a bunny.
Shrinking done with some kind of magic?

>>84081635
Male fan, smaller than Gazelle, average sized penis turning into small penis. I was thinking some kind of pink magic, maybe Gazelle's voice?

>>84081893
Or the small male wins a backstage-pass.
There he gets to drink some magic-potion disguised as punch.
Both get naked and drink a bit from it.
IDK how to continue...

Gazelle promoting small penis pride and shrinking her fans seems strangely in character

Gazelle promoting Small Penis Pride and then shrinking her fans' dicks seems strangely in character

>>84082541
>>84082582
wtf lag

Gazelle promoting Small Penis Pride and then shrinking her fans' dicks seems strangely in character

>>84082582
The idea of a gal just preferring smaller sized dicks is kind of cute.

>>84082792
She probably had a crush on a small male in high school.

*a micrometeorite the size of a peanut falls from the sky and hits Nick right in the forehead*

>>84082895
='(

Thread slowing down... Sinking into the molasses of the slow hours...

>>84082832
too bad he lives like a criminal in his van now

>>84085902
>the atom bomb just dropped to the right

A fox can never love a bunny. It's impossible.

>>84086245
>A fox can never love a bunny. It's impossible.
Wait, is that like a man could never love a man, or a woman could never love a horse?
Does that mean the fox is gay?
I'm so confused.

Don't the predators canonically eat ze bugs

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Heavy fuckin' metal!!!!!

Gazelle promoting Small Penis Pride and then getting fucked into the mattress by her tiger dancers' gigantic dicks seems strangely in character.

>>84088302
Listen to this instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcA4rmKTBQw

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>>84086245
I beg to differ

>>84088823
Notice he's using his tail to cover his tiny dick (Gazelle shrunk it)

>>84088302
Black Sabbath V:<

>>84087106
Yes.

>>84087106
The bugs will be the Chinese in Zootopia 54 And A 1/4th

>>84093732
>Zootopia 54 And A 1/4th
WildeHopps still won't be confirmed or denied in it either.

Bump

>>84081544
Gazelle rubs the fox's penis (we all know who it is) with an ice cube, thinking it would be stimulating, but it backfires.

Jack savage

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>>84035495
>>84037147
Pack Street doesn't demonize Phil. Avo called him an asshole out of canon. That's not the same thing. It could be for completely unrelated reasons to not wanting to socialize or join the pack, but even if it wasn't, she's not series.

>Look at how Avo and Marty treat people, for instance. Avo even mentions everyone being rough around the edges but doesn't make any apologies for it
Why do people like Avo and Marty not get the same consideration that Phil does, in your eyes? Why do hypothetically-neurodivergent and asocial characters need accommodation and understanding but rudeness is unforgivable? Isn't being overly rough or rude just another social dysfunction? Why are they expected to apologize for how they are? Why is Al's personal problems re:childhood trauma something he should just magically get over and "be normal" about, what makes that so easily interrogated while Phil (as you imagine him) is some special little boy who needs every allowance and accommodation?

>>84097847
>Why do people like Avo and Marty not get the same consideration that Phil does, in your eyes?
I mean, maybe because they're the aggressors in most situations and try to rattle people instead of simply leaving them alone?
>Why do hypothetically-neurodivergent and asocial characters need accommodation and understanding but rudeness is unforgivable?
Because neurodivergent people are often ostracized or even victimized by either individuals or entire social groups/hierarchies for their inability to properly integrate or socialize. I know that Charlie is definitely neurodivergent and she's part of the pack, but the truth is that she's the exception to this rule. not every person with neurodivergence is capable of integration. Expecting every disabled person to be capable of doing something just because someone of the "same" disability did it is both unreasonable and unfair to that person.
>Isn't being overly rough or rude just another social dysfunction?
Indeed. It's difficult to navigate when you're neurotypical, let alone if you're neurodivergent. It's no wonder then that a lot of people wouldn't be able to acclimate themselves to a pack. Social dynamics can be tough to understand, let alone when you have a hard time differentiating between who's your friend and who's pretending to be your friend in order to keep the peace within your social group.
>Why are they expected to apologize for how they are?
Because people shouldn't act like inconsiderate assholes? That shouldn't be taken as the norm? Because the whole point of having a pack is to make sure that everyone within it feels secure?
>Why is Al's personal problems re:childhood trauma something he should just magically get over and "be normal" about
To be fair, I can see why you'd think that's what I meant, but it isn't. It's more that I was highlighting his own (understandable) flaws within the system he's helping to run. He's not perfect, even though I really like him. (Continuing in the next post...)

>>84097847
>what makes that so easily interrogated while Phil (as you imagine him) is some special little boy who needs every allowance and accommodation?
He doesn't need every allowance and accommodation, he just needs the space that he's asked for and received. My gripe with him is more to do with his role in the story. He's seen as the thing you're not supposed to be, the shut in, the asocial guy whose solitude is offensive. (Remmy even said that he felt offended that Phil rebuffed him)
I doubt the story will ever get into the reasons for why a person would choose solitude over making friends because it's the "healthy" thing to do every single time. You're supposed to do things the way Remmy does it and make friends with everybody, become a fixture in your neighborhood, join a support network, but that's a difficult thing to do if you're someone who's recovering from a lifetime of abuse, or trauma related to neurodivergence caused by the people around you.

Ultimately, pack Street isn't going to go into it, and I would never expect Weaver to jump into that. I love the story for what it is, and Remmy remains a relatable character to me. His story is something that a lot of people can learn from, but it's not something that everybody is capable of replicating, especially nowadays where Americans are so selfish and individualistic that helping somebody out even just a little bit is practically considered to be obscene or uncalled for. There's an underbelly of issues related to the side of society that has a hard time finding connections with people who don't enjoy the same things you do, have little common ground on a social level, or someone who doesn't understand the problems you face. The story frames Remmy as being almost completely wrong on what he does, and he's pretty wrong, but he's also capable of just acclimation because he's a very social person who enjoys speaking to people. Some people don't experience that same level of joy doing seminars and (...)

>>84098414
(...) meeting new people. It's difficult for a lot of people who don't have the brain structure to enjoy these things on the same level as other people. You can't just "train" yourself to enjoy going to parties or focusing on work and work colleagues as being friends at the same time all the time. Neurodivergence is seen as something you have to just power through and receive flack for expressing it by accident. Pack Street really is for the average person who just needs a kick in the proverbial teeth to get over themselves when they're in too deep in their own thoughts, but someone with a disability won't be able to follow up on that as easily.

In reality, I'm sure Phil is just an asshole who doesn't like hanging out with people because he's weird. There's no deeper undercurrent or social commentary to be made for people who completely give up on making friends for whatever reason. Don't be like Phil, guys. Be like Remmy

>>84097847
because this place is outcast central and they think the hollywood pseudoscience of outcasts being outcasts by epic high school jocks rather than just being ontologically unlovable people that are cut off due to everyone knowing its better to steer clear
youd think youd have realized that considering this is a thread for a disney children movie where average age is 30 years above what it should be

>>84097597
nick pounded that ass until it got scarred

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>>84101028
Why is Gary green

>>84103119
always was

>>84098297
>I mean, maybe because they're the aggressors in most situations and try to rattle people instead of simply leaving them alone?
They're literally neurodivergent? Why are you harassing them?

>>84103920
because neurodivergent people don't deserve to be happy because they kill my vibes, obviously

>>84098297
>>84103920
People who are neurodivergent need patience and understanding and we can't ostracize or stigmatize them for their behavior. Unless that behavior manifests in a way that I find aggressive or rude, in which case fuck them.

>>84104720
yeah honestly. they can kiss my ass. so what if they have a hard time articulating all the ways life is hard on them? they're rude and annoying

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>>84103344
The better Zootopia 2 ending.

>>84107176
yes indeed. I would rather have the nickbert ending because I am mischievous and I don't want WildeHopps to ever be a thing. they should air this ending for the kiddos with a disclaimer that a fox and a bunny cannot have kids therefore they cannot be together. which is why we have nickbert. nickbert will wash away all doubts. nickbert will raise your children. nickbert, even though they can't have kids either

>>84107242
Meds.

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>>84098478
Phil is used as a foil to Remmy to demonstrate what someone who actually wants to be left alone looks like. If Avo thinks he's an asshole, she may have her reasons or she may be unfair about it, but my intent wasn't to demonize Phil for wanting to keep to himself.

The actual intent was just to show that Remmy always says "I just want to be left alone" but it's clearly not true. Remmy spells this out pretty clearly on his walk home with Anneke.

>The story frames Remmy as being almost completely wrong on what he does
People always say this and I think it's beocme a bit of a meme but I don't think it's really true. Remmy has a persecution complex and has been way out of line sometimes, and a lot of the story is about him learning and adapting to a new world he was initially resistant to. He's been wrong, but so have other people. Remmy has been apologized to frequently, including by the pack alpha, and even when others don't apologize it doesn't mean they were right. He's made great cases for himself, perhaps most especially in Dogwhistle and Stray.

Anyway that's all as may be, but of course, my intent on writing something doesn't mean I pulled it off. You're free to disagree, or take it that I've slanted things too far, came off with a narratively-judgemental tone, whatever. But I never intended to demonize Phil.

>>84107390
>Anyway that's all as may be, but of course, my intent on writing something doesn't mean I pulled it off. You're free to disagree, or take it that I've slanted things too far, came off with a narratively-judgemental tone, whatever.
Yeah, Pack Street is definitely just trying to tell a story about a guy who's afraid of this new experience he's facing. He wants to reach out, so he eventually does after fumbling around for a while. I think it's just difficult to tell what every single theme is when you have a first person perspective from an unreliable narrator and a group of flawed characters giving out their versions of what the right way of thinking is supposed to be. The way things are framed: Remmy's life starts getting better once he starts actively socializing with people around him. Once he loosens up things start to pick up.

It's definitely a theme that works for most people, and for the most part it's true. Gaining a support network has been proven to make people happier and feel more secure. But a curious thing is also with why a person would want to be left alone in the first place when the alternative has been shown to be so uplifting. Why would someone be happy to be left alone? There's a plethora of reasons for that, and it could be that someone didn't want to go through similar trials and errors the way that Remmy did, or maybe they're afraid of or simply hate people for their own reasons. But Pack Street isn't doing that, and doing that possibly may even clutter the overall narrative and message. I guess that's why the whole "demonizing this person's lifestyle" thing popped into my head. One way of life is seen as the best way, while the other is just "that guy's an asshole. Whatever." And no other thought is given to it beyond that line of thought

But I get it. A lack of exploration doesn't mean demonization.

>>84109006
>The way things are framed: Remmy's life starts getting better once he starts actively socializing with people around him. Once he loosens up things start to pick up.
No, he's already socializing from the start of the fic. He literally attends the block party, hangs out with the twins, goes to Bug Burga with the pack, etc. Life improves for him for a few different reasons, but none of them are him coming out of his shell or learning to leave the apartment. He was always doing that.
Remmy didn't want to be left alone in the first place, he wasn't happy by himself. The concerns you bring up are valid ones that media does often get wrong, but I don't think they're really applicable to Remmy.

>>84109784
Oh no, I got that. What I meant was that Remmy's life started being better when he started having more *positive* social meetings and making friends. I misspoke earlier. He made himself pretty clear with Anna. But his life got a lot better when he made that clear

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>>84101028
You forgot the fourth panel. Afraid of a little bowdlerized profanity, you teetotaler virgin?

>>84111244
I bowdlerized Pawbert last night if you know what I mean

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>>84103344
Holy fuck this is super hot. Not a huge fan of Pawbert being the one to do this to him but the bondage + sounding + electrostim combo is one of my top kinks. I have to be in the mood for noncon stuff but that makes this have an extra layer of hot. Plus the art style is spot on. 9/10 (-1 point for Pawbert, would be better if the image had disembodied paws doing it) great post thank you for sharing

>>84113415
I dunno the whole Nick clearly not wanting to be there thing is pretty off-putting.

>>84113711
Noncon can be kinda goated tho

>>84113711
Okay on second thought, 8/10 (-2 for Pawbert and butt stuff), but yeah, noncon is inherently a little off-putting. That's why I said I have to be in the mood for it. I mean he's hard, and cumming in the second pic so he's enjoying it in some sense

>>84116370
>he's hard, and cumming in the second pic so he's enjoying it in some sense
what a gross thing to say