Stories:By Raconza>Without You In the Darkhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/71528071/chapters/234614351By Anonymoushttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/83895168/#q83896592By Stinkin_Thinkin>A Hero's Lovehttps://archiveofourown.org/works/87770866By Apocobat>Krusie Week 2024https://archiveofourown.org/works/52919020/chapters/133861048By Anonymous>In The Lockerhttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/83362953/#83417436By Greenswordsman>Sides of a Storyhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/83623251By Anonymous>Pranks for Nothing!https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/81994332/#82050675By Cosplayanon>Liminalityhttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/81673298/#81677740By Greenswordsman>The World May Never know™https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/81432621/#81442508By Greenswordsman>Quicksilver in the Windowhttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/81083073/#81083417By Raconza>Night Falls Over Hometown: A DeltaNoir Storyhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/77546651By Raconza>Without You in the Darkhttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78166688/#q78219783--->The Game Where She's Fromhttps://deltarune.com/>/SUS/tories archiveshttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nI5kjwhC_44dEeyeanKV8KUiGbdC8LEA>/sus/ archiveshttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17Qgvvtr2m4J-8Y30AFzCXBERWA_-YKc8?usp=sharing>Veth archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Y5s7tN_xpgcFLKPomLA0UXK5i3k3kSjs>UNRELATED archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1R63hcqMc2fJ_ZAZJlzcgtsxVavObJmS---->Last thread:https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/84284697/
wanted to make a fresh bread before I went to bedgoodnight sus
>>84311379Yeah that's the thing. As much as I'd love to see all the loose ends tied up, priority number one is still mostly just having a satisfying ending. I don't mind if that comes at the cost of some mysteries being left unsolved.
Would Norma beat Undyne (Deltarune) in grappling?
>>84311589not sure...I guess we'll just have to watch...to make sure...
sooz
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>>84311640>>84311669>GAZE IN FEAR AND AWE AS SUSIE GULLETS DOWN PANCAKES FOR 12 HOURS STRAIGHT AT TORIEL’S HOUSE LIKE SOMETHING FEARSOME>BLOOD RUNS COLD>SYRUP RUNS HOT>AND BOY IS SHE READY TO EAT
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>>84312407Imminent licc.
>>84312407>>84312477>SweatEw
>>84311431That made me think, she was always fixated on the apples so why did she suddenly went full eggnogg with Noelle? Gaster made her forget?
>>84312407what kind of brain damage caused this fetish? Domestic abuse?
>>84312642Some people just built different.
>>84312642The based kind that gives you a big cock.
Kris walks up to Susie on the couch and says "Let's french". It's a coin toss whether they spend the next 20 minutes making out or getting fries and burgers.
>>84312858Why not both? Seriously, why wouldn't they share a bunch of fries Lady and the Tramp-style or otherwise play some sort of faux Pocky game with 'em? That seems pretty on-brand Krusie to me.
>>84312642If you’re brave enough to try playing with your own feet sometime, you’ll understand
>>84312920>Kris holds a fry in his mouth and dares Susie to take as much as she can with only her mouth>Susie sticks her face in Kris's other fries and starts eating them>this escalates until they get told to leave
>>84313003this is how susie lost her first job as a fry cook
>>84312929This might be the most bothersome, unhinged thing I've ever heard someone say on /sus/Normally I tolerate footfaggotry but this is just not defensible.
>>84313085>"my hungry ass could never be a chef"
>>84313179Veth's pale-grey soles are as soft as Noelle's left asscheek.
>>84311621Which one would be the first to use an oil check?
/sus/ Sweaty Underfoot Sniffers general
I am perfectly agnostic about feet
>>84312929See, that's too much for me, and I'm the one who just posted the dialogue edit.
>>84313328The hell's an oil check?>Googles itahDon't tell me this shit is a regular occurrence or sport-legal.
Good day, sus
>>84313959Maybe it's only common in something like Turkish oil wrestling
>>84314497I remember that one with Rudy's life support.
if Pink got pregnant, do you think Maddie would also get pregnant and they'd have the world's oddest twins
>>84314928Kris fucking Pink is just Kris fucking and impregnating Mad Dummy and that's only if humans and monsters can breed with eachother
I can't believe transmasc deetee theory is real. Why does jelly have to copy toby play for play?
>>84314928Would what if they would both get pregnant with a single baby each, but when they are fused it's like they have twins.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL44x_5XRP17xhbCpTxndypUcXB5izF43uJust discovered this was a thing. Toby hosting a Radio Show circa 2010.>>84314928I feel like only Maddie gets pregnant because Pink is just a robot.but if there's a hole there's a goal I suppose.
>>84314928I'd assume it's one kid with effectively three parents.Mew Mew provides the Darkner magic and the catgirl and doll traits and actually carries the child.Maddie provides the Ghost Monster traits.(Assumed) Kris provides the Human traits.Absolute clusterfuck of a child, hopefully enough Lightner to be able to live in the Light World.
>>84315267Genuinely sounds like the most powerful child in terms of how we know all of those work.Immune to physical attacks, has human soul and has Darkner magic
>>84315275also they will be cute catboys / catgirls
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>>84315300Is Veth the babysitter?
>>84315300Aww, they are cute
>>84315314Gaster is, he's too curious about how they function.
>>84315300the lil' rascal is probably a handful even for aunt Susie
>>84315423She just lets them play with the indestructible Suslings (Susie is part Mourning Gecko and has undergone parthenogenesis half a dozen times)The purple horde is unstoppable, the purple horde is coming, the purple horde will consume all
>>84315452>indestructible SuslingsOne of these Suslings was captured and used for studyIt's name: SCP-682
>>84315538The edgy emo teen of the family I'm guessing
>>84315557Yeah, Susie fondly called it Kris II.
>>84315557>>84315563I mean there's some Kris in there.
>>84315563>Not even Kris the second>Just Kris 2
>>84315300If Maddie had kids I wonder if she would hope they wouldn't turn out to be ghosts/half ghosts because of how much she hated being one herself and doesn't want them to go through their own body troubles
>>84316133maybe half ghosts will turn out like Danny Phantom or something
>>84312929what brings a grown ass man to do something like this. let alone admit it.
What if she was there from the start as an actual npc?
>>84316274I feel like Toby got the idea about "two friends have adventures and grow closer" when he made Undertale Frisk befriending Monster Kid and that fueled him to make Kris and Susie in Deltarune.
>>84316491Didn't he have the idea for Deltarune before Undertale's demo even came out?
>>84316491That's actually wrong, Deltarune and Kris and Susie are the older concepts.Toby just wasn't confident enough to make Deltarune first, so he made Undertale instead.Original Deltarune fed into Undertale, which fed back into the Deltarune we have.
>>84316597he had ideas for it, and he knew what the ending was, but the actual script wasn't fully finalized until deltarune chapter 2 came out.
>>84316274what do you think her dialogue would be
>>84316274Haha could you imagine a world where you just... don't exist? The thought terrifies me.>>84316597UT was his proof of conceptInterestingly, one of Godmode Asriel's forms strongly resembles the Knight, including the heart/hole locations and black/white outlines
>>84316611Pretty sure he didn't had whole relationship figured out back then and made Krusie the main plotline after Undertale. The Deltarune itself as the prophecy was probably invented before Undertale
>>84316657I personally don't believe that toby had literally every single facet of deltarune figured out before undertale came out. he probably had a VERY VERY vauge idea of how the plot would go but nothing solid. Remeber that shadow crystals got retroactively added to jevil.
>>84316612People think Toby was this much ahead with plans for the Deltarune already in 2015 but he can't even plan ahead to insert a fucking FRIEND forshadowing dialog with Pink on the day of chapter 5 release
If Undertale doesnt matter, and it seems to be a game on Asriel's PC, what if UT was just a big dark world
>>84316685To be fair, people just have this weird expectation about writers. When a Writer says that they had something written or planned out, the common conception is to think "oh so they had literally the entire plot and every single minutae written out from day one" when no writer ever does that unless you're fucking tolkien. All writers make shit up as they go that's just how writing is
>>84316685Toby might genuinely be on a deadline now. He's written himself into a corner with 7 Chapters.I genuinely think there might be more than 7 if he realises he can't fit all he needs to fit into 7
>Okay but what did the covenant actually do wrong Kris>They have all this cool technology and have multiple species coexisting>They can't be that bad>...>Kris how can I be sure this series isn't human propaganda
>>84316801Susie they glassed Reach
>>84316842>the UNSC kidnapped children and nuked their own colony, Kris
>>84316133Does Maddie actually hate being a ghost? Of the 4 examples of ghost monster that we know of, it seems to me more like a biological need to find and merge with a vessel like how a beaver will instinctively want to build a dam, rather than anything else. As all but one of them all wanted to, and eventually did, find a body.
>>84316733I think its either 8 chapters (since we got the halfway reminder after chapter 4 ended) or we get plenty of side B content, especially since we already skipped chapter 6 for weird route. I also think Toby is aware of data miners spoiling any secrets in advance so he might actually patch in SIDE A, B and C entire chapters into already existing Chapter 1-3 after he already finishes Normal route.
>>84317629What about Napstablook? She doesn't seem to care about not having a body
>>84317933>Napstablook>sheThat's a first for me.
>>84317949I always thought she was an emo girl
>>84316801>Kris how can I be sure this series isn't human propagandaTo be fair, it felt exactly that way to me when I played Halo 2. It was written exactly like American propaganda from Cold War era. The fact that good guy Elite never once kills a human on-screen is the biggest giveaway.
>>84317997you can technically kill marines in Sacred Icon thoughbeit
>>84317933Take a look at what I said>As all but one of them all wanted to>all but oneNapstablook IS THE ONE IN "ALL BUT ONE"
What if Sus isn't poor/abused and just has crippling 'Pica' eating disorder, like airline pilots who siphon and drink the fuel out of their planes.
>>84318523i don't think she has a good relationship with her parents or have any parents at all if she's dislikes returning to her home apartments to the point of sleeping in the school closet or with Kris. And she didn't even try to call her parents that she will stay in chapter 3. So either deabeats or dead.
>>84318693It'd be insane if it's revealed her parents are alive but they're disabled and she can't be bothered to take care of them anymore. I think all my sympathy for Susie would evaporate if that happened.And the way we find this out is that Susie lets the flowers die because she would rather hide in a closet than take care of them
>>84313959Women do it more especially vaginal fingering
>>84316965Susie, the existence of brutes alone stops any and all moral arguments from the covenant.
>>84316801>Listen here Lizard lips>those alien bastards killed millions of my people>they threaten life itself, all life>so I recommend using all the power in that walnut sized brain of yours >And get with the program!
I have updated the chart again... it's getting so long... can we really keep going?Even if Susie stumbles and falters, I will still appreciate her. If you want to as well, maybe this will help.
>>843179268 has me sweating less if that's the case. I could see chapters 7 and 8 being a thing before a "finale" release
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>>84321254Thanks for these, anon. They will always remain useful>Even if Susie stumbles and falters, I will still appreciate herI kind of get the feeling that she's not 100% sure what she wants anymore, but who is in this game, too.
>>84321254>include suselle shit in "to do" listyou fucked up, delete it
>>84321556I'm all in on Krusie, but I did create it for people to appreciate Susie regardless of who they think she'll be happy with. The chart leans way more on krusie interactions (obviously, because we pilot Kris) with the Suselle options being borne entirely of multiple choice answers that you can easily ignore and swing the other way.Given the audience though, I'll edit them out for future reposts here.
>>84321254>depreciating in value due to quantity??Oh no my investmentsBut unironically yeah. Seeing so many of them only added to that feeling of wrongness I had throughout chapter 5.
>>84321789suselle is the most anti Susie stuff you can possibly do in this game
>>84321254>if blood tastes like penis...>Does Flowery penis taste like Flowery's blood?
>>84321898The Susie Smile Coin bubble burst... this is the last time I listen to cryptobros. Then again, my Mysterious Kris Koins are only going up in value as we continue to not learn what the fuck that's about.
>>84321898>But unironically yeah. Seeing so many of them only added to that feeling of wrongness I had throughout chapter 5It means something but I have no idea what
>>84321254>The diner thing>"Can't wait to do it again. Me and Kris."If Susie starts going to the diner with Noelle, I will send a Ginosaji after Toby.
>>84322889ngl I was actually surprised by how much Susie was adamant that the diner thing was just for her and Kris. Even if you have Kris whisper to Susie about including Noelle, she's just like "oh uh Noelle can eat scraps under the table or something"
>banned from /v/ for 3 days just for REPLYING to deltarune threadWhat the fuck are jannies doing?? Imagine getting banned from video game for discussing video games
>>84323565Because raging at stupid idpol shit and industry henpecking gets far more juicy ad revenue than actual discussion.That and abib is a subhuman.
>>84323565Rapeape wants /v/ to be a culture war and ragebait board
>>84323565I haven't been back to /v/ since like 2019 and even then I should have left it way before. Zero reason to go back.
I wasn't surprised by the krusie reveal in chapter 5 and I didn't need to be lectured by the Pink fight to take Kris's feelings intro consideration becuase....I WAS FUCKING LOCKED IN ONTO WHAT KRIS WANT SINCE CHAPTER 1 AND WE GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN EVEN IF IF HAVE TO RAPE THE PROPHECY AND GASTER HIMSELF
>>84321254Alternatively: select the STOP HER!!!! option during the vending machine scene to make her blush and give Kris another indirect kiss
>>84323874Kris will drop Susie in the water or else she will no longer respect him.
>>84324576Susie doing it on purpose hoping he falls down on top of her
>>84323565I completely stopped being interested in Deltarune discussion on /v/. The situation was a shitshow after chapter 4.
>>84325800Anything specific? Or just brainrot overtook the place?
>>84325992The threads were getting deleted left and right for no reason. Only approved cultural phenomena are allowed for discussion. Then there were some other threads which were nothing but people bitching about the threads getting deleted, which were even worse.
butte
>>84326051Oh and the constant spam by attention whores, obviously.
>>84323565/v/ has been unusable for like 9 years now.In time, the other boards will fall due to retards acting like retards and it turns out acting retarded on the internet is a good way to make money for bigger, greedier retards.
>>84321254I feel like all those moments feel a lot less meaningful now that we know all of them meant less than those five minutes she spent twinging some dumb guitar with noelle in chapter 4
>>84326817Retard
>>84327018Well, she said it. It's NOELLE who makes her days great. Since she has literally not interacted with her once before the game save for that one singular time years before where she got a pencil, that means the time they spent on ch4 made her happier than anything else.
>>84326817Susie is controlled by Gaster to ignore Kris and fall for a boring dumb doe
I don't think Susie has dead beat parents, I cant imagine Toby actually portraying her dad as some fat purple asshole throwing beer bottles at her. He always portray every monster as goofy or good people, even criminals like the dog gang.I also don't think she's from orphanage as she would have some bond with other kids and would still return there.I think she's an orphan but without orphanage. Just parentless and lives alone. I think Alphys plays a role of her guardian and part time social worker who pays for her rent and tries to provide basic necessities but Susie just feels like she's a burden to her and that's why she avoids her and doesn't want Kris to make that connection. Alphys might be a dumb pervert but she's still a good person and probably hopes she becomes friends with Kris in similar way Toriel root for her son. Her "shipping" krusie is probably not just some fetish of hers. Hopefully next chapter give us more insight on Alphys and especially about Susie and that we also see her place.
>>84327434I think one or both of Susie's parents actually work outside of town, which both explains her shitty attitude (poor latchkey kid with no friends) and why we haven't seen her parents and why she doesn't care about going back to her actual home (Hometown is blocked off for unknown reasons). If I had to guess I'd say a single parent situation, or both are divorced and she's bounced around between custody.
>>84327503Since how she reacted to seeing Toriel being drunk, there is a good chance that her parent(s) have an alcohol problem.
>>84326519Why is Nosie bald?
>>84327434Carol wasn't very goofy, and Asgore wasn't a very good person, at least not in Undertale. I do think straight up physical abuse is off the table, though. More likely her parents are neglectful.
>>84327503She said she related to Tenna's story and she doesn't want others to feel like a discarded broken toy so there's seem to be some kind of mistreatment toward her. Tenna was kind of a symbolic representation of a kid broken by the divorce and not getting attention from either parent, so maybe that's the case for Susie. The mother think she's with the dad and dad thinks she's living with the mother and neither of them give a shit to visit her.
>>84327911So far i didn't see anything "bad" with Carol. Noelle made her seem like a weeb obsessed with Christmas. But it make sense for her to be harsh and serious after she lost a daughter. Her involvement with Asgore and Kris are probably also in good faith of trying to learn what happened to Dess and how to save her.
>>84328050Carol was definitely more stern and serious than "evil", but my point is that just off the top of my head I have two examples that contradict the assertion that Toby always makes monsters goofy and always makes them good people, meaning it's still entirely possible that Susie's parents turn out to be neglectful/abusive. We can really only guess at this point, though.
>>84328215Asgore was the edgiest and the only example of harsh monster and he was punished by it by not getting together with Toriel in Undertale. Now neither Asgore nor Carol seem that bad and I can see Asgore reconnecting with Toriel at the end of Deltarune as well as Carol reconnecting with Noelle and Dess.
who is this stupid purple lizard currently being spammed in my veth thread?
>>84327894She's got hair, just Norwood 7 hair.
>>84327969>The mother think she's with the dad and dad thinks she's living with the mother and neither of them give a shit to visit her.Ah yes, the Animorphs solution.
Route C: the roaring is stopped, but the vessal and the soul are left behind...Don't worry, there's always another time.
>>84328853But Susie is Gasters kid
Agender people are the niggers of gendertranniesThey are militant about Kris and SeamUsing they/them is retarded too. They is a plural form so when you use that to describe someone it sounds like youre talking about a group
>>84329650Gemmy reach reference
>>84329886What's odd about Seam is I can't recall any instances of anyone referring to him, let alone referring to him with third person pronouns. I thought Seam being referred to as "they" was because we don't know for sure due to the aforementioned, but no one gets mad at you for assuming Seam's gender, they get mad at you because "Seam's pronouns are they/they." and it's like. How do you know that??? Am I forgetting a scene??????
>>84329650>Spartan iii KrisWhat would his loadout be? Armor options?
>>84330166>Spartan KrisHe’d never be a Spartan, he’d be a non-name marine who dies in the background. Susie’d be the Spartan.
>>84330047Nta, but it might've been a something mentioned on a stream. As, far as I can tell digging through the text dump, the only one that ever mentions Seam in any capacity is Jevil.
>>84330233Nah Kris is the vengeful orphan snapped up by the government (Carol) to become a weapon against their enemies. Susie is either a brute or a freakishly large jackal.Ralsei is the anti Cortana expy that Kris gets saddled with
>>84330463Susie as an elite and Kris as a Spartan 3 would kinda go hard.People already want to fuck the elites so it wouldn't be that hard to understand for this thread.
>>84330589Susie trying to make Kris an energy sword in the Dark World
Watching a mystery unravel is fun, but a part of me wishes we understood Kris more much earlier. Zuko from ATLA came to mind all of a sudden, and I much preferred how most of his arc was dedicated to him making peace with his trauma instead of the viewers being mystery-boxed about why he was an antagonist to begin with. This cemented Zuko as the go-to standard for redemption arcs, and it's something I think Toby's style of writing cannot achieve the same way. It's very likely we'll discover Kris's motivations and reconcile them with the gang all in the same chapter, and while it will feel super cool for a time, it probably won't have the same essay-spawning staying power as Zuko's unless Toby truly is a genius and we'll be able to look back on previous chapters with more hindsight.
>>84331587toby has a bad habit of backfilling all his character and lore dumping, especially notable in a game like this where 8 years of speculation have already gone by with little information being given.
>>84331587Assuming Kris does make it out of this game alive, they're not going to have time to make up for their long-term deception towards Susie, Noelle, Asgore, and others outside of a few acts of exceptional valor, if they can do even that. Forgiveness from the people they've wronged will have to be earned after the final act, outside of our vision.
>>84331734While I wouldn't say I hate Toby's method of storytelling, I'm now starting to believe that there's an expiration date that comes with stories like these. The mystery is still fun, but it's been close to a decade and I'm starting to get a little tired of waiting. You're a great magician, Tobias, but just take the damn rabbit out of the hat already. The longer the wait the more the expectations, and we can't be entirely blamed if we get too excited.I know writing a storyline like this must be difficult, but it's hard not to think "I wish Toby could give us 50% more plot AND keep the mystery going at the same time"?>>84331744I guess we'll see. Toby's not exactly beyond using handwavium. The fandom, myself included, have so far over-predicted the amount of drama the characters ingame will experience.There's also the aspect that Kris is hardly the lone shooter in this conspiracy, too. Anyone who's worked with Kris (who likely isn't even the ringleader) also shares this burden. I don't think anyone is truly innocent in this story, and even someone like Susie is bound to get herself in more trouble before the end of the game.Given the nature of Toby's optimism, Kris can be easily reconciled. The limiting factor is someone saving Kris before they cross the line of no-return all on their own.
>>84331868Stuff like this is really hard for me to have a strong and well defined opinion on, because I constantly wonder how different this game will be for people who first experienced Chapter 1 in 2018, or even 2021, vs. people who will play it all over a weekend in 2028.How we view its story, its mystery, and the progression of its plot is so incredibly skewed over the years we've had to digest and are influenced by all the discourse, theories, we're so back/it's so over that comes with each new chapter. All the while, the story has always been something meant to be told over 20~ hours, not 10 years.Toby's decision to keep publishing on a chapter basis has had so many side effects, and its hard to say if these consequences were good or not. At this moment I'm inclined to believe it was the right call, as it led to me resonating with this game for as long as I have, which I can't really claim to share with almost any other media I know of.I imagine from his point of view, the story needs to both entertain people with its possibilities over the years, but also flow naturally and keep interest for someone who picks up the completed game fresh. That's an incredibly challenging concept to envision for two very different types of players, and to try and satisfy both parties. I can't expect everyone to be on board with the outcome.
>>84331984>All the while, the story has always been something meant to be told over 20~ hours, not 10 years.It is a tough situation to form an opinion around, and this is a big part of it. On one hand, it'll be good to eventually judge the game as one complete package, but on the other hand we can't exactly pretend this hasn't been a decade-long experience too. While I don't think Toby intends to do this, he can't expect to wave his hands and tell people "and NOW you can judge my game for what it is!" as if all the chapters were dropped in one release date.>I imagine from his point of view, the story needs to both entertain people with its possibilities over the yearsThat's the thing. As cynical as I can be about this form of storytelling, being able to discuss and theorize over the years IS fun. It's just hard not to be anxious when SO MANY other stories have stumbled before crossing the tape. Thankfully a story like Deltarune likely has a much clearer endgoal compared to mangas or anime that have this issue, but it's hard not to worry when stories with big twists and mysteries tend to fall flat.
>>84332076I like theorizing, but my main issue is it just feels like we don't know anything solid. We know basically nothing about Kris' goals, Carols goals, the Knights goals. Nothing. We have no real direction to speculate in
>>84332093>We have no real direction to speculate inThat's kind of the boat I'm in. We've been putting up with Toby's vagueposting since Chapter 1, but that was before all the "players" entered the scene. Now we're moving onto Chapter 6 but I wouldn't say I've learned much more beyond the vague prophecies and the roaring.At this point I'm forced to assume that the NR truly is the "Kris and Susie" route and saving the world is just the backdrop to their friendship. Not that I mind that, but players like Carol, the Knight, etc. are comparatively minor characters due to lack of information.
>>84332180>Not that I mind that, but players like Carol, the Knight, etc. are comparatively minor characters due to lack of information.shit as far as we know we could get bait and switched like with asgore and they are actually relatively minor characters in the scheme of the plot. Kris is the ONLY character we can fully assume is actually genuinely important in the wider plot and we know fuck all about his involvement in it
>>84332180my issue isn't even the lack of information...or I guess it is but more so how it's always just new information we get. rarely do we ever get elaboration or information about characters or events from previous chapters, each one introduces all new freaks and weirdos when I feel like we still have nothing about the first couple of chapters, characters that (due to the long timeframe) we had years to speculate on being reduced to one scene wonders in hindsight
>>84331868There's a limit to an author's ability to convince the audience that a character and their reputation has changed in a manner that would be considered unreasonably fast in reality, and Toby is no exception. People have criticized how fast Susie changed from generally hostile and bristly in Chapter 1 to a goofball in Chapter 2 onward, and while I think the new Susie is entertaining enough to justify the change, I understand the complaint. The way Suselle is presented runs up against the same issue but has proven to be much more controversial. Susie's behavior in Chapter 5 has upended much of how players have envisioned her past the limits of the suspension of disbelief. It feels like Susie is being written around the plot rather than Susie and the plot existing in tandem. So unless prophecy brainwashing or whatever is actually a thing, I think there's a limit to how fast Toby can turn the horse without upsetting the cart, and he's exceeded it.All that to say, I don't think Toby can reasonably stuff a "total Kris redemption" arc into his already packed game without rushing it. Even if Kris's motives were pure and understandable and their actions truly were the least of many evils, the charade they've put on and the people they've endangered cannot be papered over with just a few heart-to-hearts and a grand gesture or two. The reveal of Kris's alliance with the Knight will bring obvious negative feelings. If the story tries to handwave those away in half a chapter and to convince the audience that "all is forgiven", people will call bullshit and Toby will be a hack. And I say this as a Kris apologist. It's okay to end a story with work left to be done and character growth to be had, and I hope Toby remembers that.
>>84332209I guess there's Noelle? She really feels like the only character that's been slowly expanded on and focused on in an entirely natural pace in weird route.
goodnight sus
Picrel is how most people assumed that the Weird Route/B Route was going to go. That Noelle would get stronger, find out about the SOUL and then eventually take it. But I find it fascinating that, with how 5B unfolded... Noelle knows *jack shit* about the SOUL. She just thinks that the voice inside of Kris is just part of Kris who's broken free from the "routine", that it was the "new" Kris that did it, while the part of the "old" Kris had tried to keep her in line.This means that, in both routes of the game, the only ones who even know about the SOUL as a separate entity from Kris is Ralsei and MAYBE Carol. Flowery might have also figured it out, since he seems to realize that everything that's happening isn't the first time it's happened, so coaxing the SOUL into a new mode might have been part of his way to help.
>>84332494I am fairly sure that susie will find out about the soul in nr, it's just so integral to Kris as a character and calls everything they've ever done to interact into question immediately. It's kind of an elephant in the room you cant not address
>>84332269The people who complain Susie changed too quickly after Chapter 1 seem to fundamentally misunderstand that was never who she was. She was always desperate to have someone understand her, to make friends and form real connections. You have to have empathy to understand someone who has been rejected and discarded all their life finally finds people who genuinely give a shit about her. Of course she'd be overjoyed to keep that feeling going, shedding more and more of their guard in the process. It's the first time in her life she has friends who care about her and an escape from how shitty her life has been before that moment.I think, under that lens, I can sort of understand her dynamic with Noelle, but I also think it can easily be presented with the flaws of chasing that acceptance too quickly. Riding high on having this new acceptance and new bonds with friends, having someone tell you they like you even more probably felt like winning the lottery after you already got a jackpot at the casino. It's not "brainwashing" but more like chasing a dopamine high of good feelings that she can't even accurately describe because no one's ever shown her love her entire life. It's not inherently evil, but it's done without thinking because it feels good in the moment.Think of it like a starving person in the desert finally finding an oasis, gorging themselves and messing up their body in the process instead of taking the time to re-hydrate slowly and allow the body time to process..
>>84332555I think this, once again, stems from the idea that people want Susie to have meaningful character flaws, and feel that brushing away her bullying was getting rid of one of her bigger flaws to the point where she just doesn't really have much to work off of these days.
>>84332510She saw the soul at the end of ch4, after dunking the Titan and got distracted
>>84332615That I can understand. But that's also why I'm interested in Chapter 5 as setting up flaws I didn't anticipate. She threw out almost everything Gerson taught her and dropped the "I'm the hero who will change fate" bravado as soon as she saw a prophecy big enough to shatter her faith. Her "stupid dream" that initially came off as inspiring is now being used to avoid a crushing reality, a teen crush and inability to understand love is going hand in hand with that newfound bond she's made with her friends not allowing her to see the possibility of deception or the bigger picture.
>>84332494Soulellefags on suicide watch
>>84332867The soul is just a device anyway. None of the options presented ingame are something that Kris won't consider deep down.
>>84332615>and feel that brushing away her bullying was getting rid of one of her bigger flaws to the point where she just doesn't really have much to work off of these days.I want them to acknowledge the Newest New Girl in the actual game, since that is probably the most awful that Susie's been that we've seen in canon.Yes, she can (optionally) apologize for the locker shove and how she was before, but NNG went so far that even *Noelle* thought it was absolutely gross.
>>84332717Didn't she also acknowledge it for the Gerson and Sound of Justice battles?She's seen it all the time, but that was the only time that she was close to even calling it a soul.
>>84333179So gross in fact that her first instinct were to lick up her saliva off the water fountain after that. She saw her childhood friend get viciously bullied. She knew it was gross. It turned her on regardless.
lucky gal
>>84333222>double tripsOkay, I'll fully admit it. This is one of the big problems with Noelle that Toby has never addressed; long, long before chapter 5.Noelle literally has seen Susie bully people. Catti, Jockington, even technically Snowy and MK. But Susie's favorite target was Kris. I know that the answer that Toby is hoping that people will accept is "Well, if Kris doesn't hold it against Susie, then Noelle shouldn't be mad that her oldest friend and neighbor was bullied by the girl she had a crush on" but it still total bullshit.I swear, I really swear, if the both of them, Susie *and* Noelle are called out on their horrible actions, both active and passive, before the game ends, I will give Toby all the props.Sadly, since he couldn't even acknowledge how Toriel was also complicit in the Underground's suffering in UT, I can't put much faith in that happening.
>>84333265Kris impregnating both
>>84333323they're somehow getting all three of eachother preggers
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>>84333317Maybe Noelle doesn't hold animosity towards Susie because she also was a bully?>You can't even say "stop" like you used to!
>>84333179Technically speaking wasn't sweepstakes deemed something more like not exactly canon, as in dubious
>>84333317I’m hoping the next chapter serves as comeuppance for Susie and Noelle. I think we start to see the beginning of it when Catti breaks things off with Noelle; Noelle will grenade her social circle if she dates Susie. But I’d also like to see Rudy and maybe even Toriel finally learn what’s been going on and turn on Sooz too, if I found out my kid was being harassed by some punk to where they were being goaded into suicide I’d beat the brakes of them
>>84332867>>84333208What if SoulxSusie? Imagine Susie breaking down realizing that Kris never loved her and realizing it was always [YOU], and we will always love and appreciate her, no matter what awful things she does…
Susie boiling in a crock of liquid shit for all eternity. As the torah wills.
>>84333704Well, I'm sure that most of the class will turn their backs on Noelle for dating Susie when that Monday comes.Well, assuming that Noelle even shows because Rudy is probably in his fallen down coma at his home that Susie will try to turn into the Ice Palace to try to heal him with the imaginary Dark World healing.
>>84333265I've literally never seen one piece of interesting Suselle art. They all are just "there's two girls and they are cute together". Which is fitting because every Suselle scene in the actual game is equally shallow and generic.
>>84333265Every suselle art should act as the bad end game over scene. Like in Steins Gate when Mayuri is found melted with half of her body inside a wall and credits roll
>>84334414>but..>the pairing refused to change
>>84332269>Even if Kris's motives were pure and understandable and their actions truly were the least of many evils, the charade they've put on and the people they've endangered cannot be papered over with just a few heart-to-hearts and a grand gesture or two.I'll go against the grain here and say they can. The final act face-turn is enough of a trope that it wouldn't be that egregious. Maybe it won't be so clean and tidy but narrative forgiveness IS Toby's bread and butter. Most of the people who attack Kris and Susie are seen as wholesome buddies by the end of a chapter. While it's different for Kris because of how close they are to Susie, Toby's optimism is just too inalienable to his writing. We can't discount it.Funnily, this situation is just another side-effect of Toby's episodic storytelling. We just have too much time to think about this sort of stuff when the average story handwaves this issue with a few heroic moments that makes us feel good.
>>84334622I love exploring all the ways an inevitable Kris vs. Susie could play out. An explosive crash out was always a popular idea, and even one where the two of them would be force to clash on opposite sides -- one fighting to keep a promise, the other to keep a dream alive.Lately however, I've been thinking how Susie puts so much trust and faith in her friends, how she's resolved her differences with all the enemies they've met, and how she might react to seeing Kris seemingly going against everything they've worked for in service of the Knight.More than anything, perhaps she'd want to save them.
>>84334622susie doesn’t have enough brain power to be l
>>84333891Self-insert ship faggotry will never be good. It is the antithesis of the game's themes.
>>84334697And Toby can’t write for shit. Your point?
>>84334687It is fun to explore the idea. I also think the "crashout" moment won't be as violent as people used to predict. I won't discount it since both Kris and Susie have it in them, but I'm getting the feeling that the narrative is shifting away from that now. It's sort of like how people don't tend to talk about the "Will Susie think she's actually friends with the soul and not Kris?" idea anymore that was more common in chapters 3/4. It just doesn't seem very likely that "we" will be that involved in the story, and we also lost the "Susie is the REAL main character!" energy now that she is noticeably less Gerson-pilled currently. I don't think the chapters have the time for that.I couldn't pretend to predict how it'll go in the story, but the narrative tends to depict Susie as Kris's new reason to live, as someone who can make it "okay" again for Kris. While Susie could digress from the betrayal, I think it's just as plausible that Susie seizes the moment to be the only person who can save Kris from Kris now.
>>84334697>It is the antithesis of the game's themes.Is that so? Then why does it gives (You) a self-ship-bait character?
>>84334622People thought we would have a huge Susie moment apologising to Kris for bullying moments but it was handwaved by Kris getting horny over Susie picking him up. Toby likes to skip over those to get to a happy ending so i woudn't be surprised if Kris betrayal was exposed and forgiven in that same chapter.
>>84334414The only way I wouldn't mind suselle is if we save Dess and she french kisses Kris right in front of them to remind them what they have just lost.
>>84334892To be fair, it was entirely in character for Kris. Plus anything that promotes Krusie in this god-forsaken Suselle-laden chapter is a blessing.
>>84334697Actually the Pink fight says that's its good to self insert as Kris but you have to respect him as the host and not try to force shit like Kralsei or NTR him with Suselle or YOUxNoelle. Mad Dummy was never rejected as a bad person for wanting to experience the dark world as Mew Mew, just like Toby doesnt condemnt players wanting to live a life of Kris as his own.
>>84334898>Asriel fucks Susie>Kris fucks Dess>Noelle not allowed to watch This is the perfect ending
I've been thinking about Flowery's comment that Kris has "changed" and how some people take that in a more negative way for Kris — suggesting something dark lurks inside them. While it's true that Kris has been duplicitous by working with the Knight, I'd also mention that Flowery's perspective this chapter is more than flawed too. After all his plan for Asgore wasn't what Asgore wanted either so Flowery's read on other people can be called into question. In the same vein there's also the WR where Noelle comments on Kris having changed too.It makes me believe that for better or worse Kris actually hasn't changed at all. Kris is the same person back then as they are now, and this "change" that people detect has always been us, the soul, as the new unseen x-factor in the equation. With that in mind it seems like solid evidence that Kris's goals are ultimately reasonable and unselfish, assuming that young Kris wasn't a bad person.
>>84334924Kressfags need to kill themselves already
So, Kris is definitely learning how to use magic in the next chapter, right? Between the ACT description and Aqua’s dialogue, it feels like the game is definitely building up towards that happening. I just wonder what kind of spells he’ll use.
>>84335200Probably some formshift
>>84335200He's already doing magic on Susie.
This is the essence of the Kris story so farhttps://x.com/OnCrackNugget/status/2081413178928320861/video/1
I might be the only person who still think Noelle would work well with Berdly. But i do understand that even Toby doesn't like him and will most likely still will make Noelle end up with Catti in any krusie finale scenario.
>>84335179This.
>>84335384There's been ten times more berdsie moments than berdelle, and both are inconsequential. He's clearly made to be a joke character that might have a time to shine or two.
>>84335445Wrong. Rouxls/Elnino/Lanina was foreshadowing for a Berdly/Noelle/Susie throuple.
>>84335511Go to bed, Berdly.
>>84335179Akchyually I'm not one of those doelester pedos, I ship them post-ending because if Dess didn't age in Knight form, she will be the same age as Kris, so it's fine.
>>84335384Catti at least acts out of genuine concern for Noelle, as well as unrequited love. Berdly became completely delusional after his trip to Dark World, he literally thinks he's a protagonist in a dating sim.
>>84335883Doesn't really matter if you're still being obnoxious as fuck by pushing your ship where it doesn't belong. Stay in your lane.
>>84335934This thread is called /sus/, not /krs/. I can ship Kris to whoever I want, as long as Susie stays heterosexual.
>>84335961Kill yourself.
will it happen?
size difference...
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>>84336173>Kris, you retard! How come we haven't kissed yet!?- Obviously pregnant Susie when Alvin says "You may now kiss the bride"
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What if the game ends with Susie's family moving out again?
>>84333462>Noelle thinks she forced Kris to be around her >Knows on some level that Kris did things to cheer her up >Her thinking they aren't friends is because she saw herself as the spoiled girl who forced Kris to do things for her >Her inaction in newest girl was her subconciously thinking "Kris can handle it" only for her to realise she broke her friendship with Kris when found in the locker I think I see the reason some people say Orange is supposed to represent Noelle.
>>84336619I've considered the possibility. It's probable that she's in a foster home situation too.
>>84335158Well, Kris did absolutely change at one point.He went from being basically Aqua to repressed and reserved after the Incident.
I’m like hey wathup hello, theen yo pretty adth you came in the door
>>84338749It does make me wonder just *how* Aqua they used to be. A part of me thinks Kris was always still quiet but could have bursts of energy that were similar to Aqua, similar to how Kris can be around Susie at times but like that for other people too.This is also speculation, but I wonder if Green represents a side of modern Kris, too. They're both they/them, quiet, and their idea of kindness leads to helping the "enemy"
>>84340195Is this real?
>>84337851>I think I see the reason some people say Orange is supposed to represent NoelleIf it weren't for the fact that Orange has the whole "wants to believe they're something they're not, so badly" that is probably also supposed to be assigned to Kris (or worse, Dess), then I can totally get her being a Noelle representative.
>>84340548>"wants to believe they're something they're not, so badly" that is probably also supposed to be assigned to Kris (or worse, Dess), then I can totally get her being a Noelle representative.Could be used as an evidence for the Dess skinwalking Noelle theory, I guess.
>>84340598>Dess skinwalking Noelle theoryPardon?
>>84341211Crackpot theory spitballed a few threads back. Real Noelle is either dead or stuck in code, Dess was jealous of her life and by some means swapped places with her, possessing her body and memories, this causing her to disassociate and hate her new role as much as before if not more.
>>84341343And Noelle is attracted to most Dess like person in town- Susie. Narcissus is that you?
>>84341343This is stupid. Noelle is attracted to Susie because Susie is a surrogate both for Dess and Kris. Why would Dess fall in love with herself?
>>84341453Because Noelle is meant to do Noelle things. She's not acting on her own volition.
>>84341585But that would mean that Dess was never actually in love with Asriel, otherwise Noelle would've been secretly thirsting for Azzy/Ralsei, not Kris. And I love Dessriel too much to allow this.
>>84341343Twists like that only work with twins who've been swapping places since they were kids, or when the sister is amongst people who don't know either sister so they wouldn't know what the real sister is like. They were totally different people of totally different ages, someone would realize Noelle is acting like Dess acting like Noelle, otherwise her acting is unbelievably good. And I mean, I the player would not be able to believe it!Theorists always go off half-cocked. Notice a pattern, make a conclusion, see evidence to support it... and don't notice anything that contradicts it.
>>84341343"Dess' soul reincarnated as Susie" unironically makes more sense than this.
>>84341928It makes guitar scene in Ch4 so much funnier. Noelle is unknowingly thirsting after her own sister, while Dess is thinking "Dammit, I can't play guitar with those giant dinosaur claws, wait never mind, I couldn't play guitar for shit anyway".
I think all of the flowers represent Kris in some way.In addition to the previously-discussed flowers, Seth is more the "straight man" in comparison to Aqua's naivety about humans. Seth tries the hardest to understand what being a human means, even giving themselves a proper name. Given the Berdly connection and certain books in the library, Seth represents the more "logical" endpoint of Kris's introspection of their humanity whether they like it or not.Blue might not have an obvious connection to Kris, but they both share strong emotional and "feminine" traits. Kris enjoys theatrics and poses, and I don't believe it's a coincidence that Blue projects his emotions onto a butterfly in a way that feels vaguely familiar to the soul.Yellow is also not obvious, but it's one of the strongest ones. Yellow represents Kris's false sense of justice, both believing that they deserve to be punished for something they think they did. Interestingly, as much as he talks about justice he's hesitant to punish someone he likes, Blue, when given the option.Flowery is interesting since I believe he's sort of a combination between Asriel and Kris. Flowery represents what an idealized "golden child" version of Kris might look like. So in a sense that makes Flowery VERY Asriel, but I actually believe that Asriel is nothing like him too. Asriel, even as the town's golden child, seems much nerdier and more of a momma's boy based on subtext. So while Flowery in spirit may be channeling Asriel, what he's actually representing are the shoes Kris feels expected to fill in. Kris needing to be "Asriel #2"There's also the Rudy connection, with Flowery initially calling himself Asgore's college room-mate. This speculation is more of an aside, but I theorize that between Kris's "fathers" they modeled their personality more off of Rudy than Asgore. A healthy Rudy tends to come across as a mischievous flirt and that's a Kris trait that was especially hammered into our heads this chapter.
Wait a second, I just realized something - if Carol adopts Susie, she will both prevent Noelle from dating her and will also ensure that a Dreemurr will marry into her family, one way or another. Two birds with one stone.
>>84342580Geeze, why don't you marry Kris yourself, Carol?
>>84342580On the other hand, Toby might use this idea for evil - if TORIEL adopts Susie instead, then Krusie will be destroyed once and for all. And this might be a very realistic turn of events.
>>84342626Fuck off, Toby promised Carol for me.
>>84342628I was always partial to the idea that Toriel would take Susie in at the end of the story. Not as an official adoption, since she's almost done with school anyway, and would move out with Kris when they were ready. I just don't see any other adult in town being qualified (or having the compassion) needed.Though, I don't think temporarily adopting a teenager into your home would somehow make it taboo for your other adopted kid to fall in love with them, it's not like its blood relation or anything creepy like that.
>>84336173Chu=chu=choose you secret scene hints that we will choose at least between Ralsei and Susie as a first kiss.
>>84342628I doubt Susie wants Toriel to be her momma considering she ran for the hills after seeing her drunk one time. More realistically >>84336619will happen, she’ll probably get blamed if Kris loses a hand and get moved to another foster home/expelled from the school. Would be heartbreaking, especially if Noelle is out of the picture too. Could be bittersweet if Kris and Susie promise to find each other once they are 18
>>84342580I prefer Toriels idea of making Susie her daughter in law.
>>84336619>Susie died on the way back to her home planet
>>84342777I don't think what Susie experienced is beyond reconciliation. They just need to actually talk it out. I might be wrong, but I think if you tried walking Susie back to Kris's home at the end of chapter 5 she implies she doesn't need to stay over "for the next few days" which to me reads as she just needs time to process but does want to go back in the future.
>>84342886Now THIS is a crackpot theory I can get behind.
>>84342950True, a well intentioned talk would probably set things right. But I don’t see Susie ever getting that conversation, either she’ll be forced to move again, or she might not make it out alive from this adventure >>84342886Gave me an idea for a Gorn Susie vs Captain Kris
>>84342765>since she's almost done with school anyway, and would move out with Kris when they were readyLolno, no way Susie's getting into college. Basically Toriel gets herself a pet basement dweller, an ultimate cure to empty nest syndrome. And of course Toriel would treat Kris and Susie as blood relatives. What's worse, Susie is extremely susceptible to control through soft power, so Toriel will have her completely under her thumb.
>>84343803While I do think there's bound to be some bittersweet aspect of this story in the end, I think Toby's too hope-pilled to give us an ending without a life-long friendship at the very least. You can't just release a trailer marketing the game as a "heartfelt journey of humor and friendship" and then have one of the two main characters drift away or die at the end. Even if it was implied they might find each other again... that seems really off-putting.
>>84342777>I doubt Susie wants Toriel to be her momma considering she ran for the hills after seeing her drunk one time.I'm talking about worst case scenario where Toby has completely lost the plot. So Toriel magically reconciles with Susie, Kris learns to let go and accepts Suselle, and the fact that Susie has become his sister is supposed to somehow make up for his cuckening.
According to TreeCake item, Susie's joyful memory is Ralsei and Ralsei's joyful memory is cotton candy.RALSUSIE AGENDA LIVES
>>84344025That's sort of how I see it, too. Kris and Susie seem to be the big focus in the normal route, so I'm sure we'll get some awesome cathartic moments in the future.
>>84343986This activated my almonds anon. Need a draw fag to sketch a soft, manipulative Toriel molding a reluctant Susie into the perfect daughter
>>84344709Toriel always told Kris to watch his health. While Kris was busy watching his health, Toriel stole his girl.
>>84344077If Toby wished to grenade his reputation with his Japanese fans I could see it. He may very well become the next Hussie>>84344286I’m really hoping for a cathartic moment for Kris and Susie, I want them to realize just how important they are to each other. I’ve just been feeling the doom recently, too much angst on my feed>>84344827>Kris coming home from winter break and finding out Susie has slowly been corrupted into becoming a mini TorielPlease stop I can only get so erect
>>84344025Krusie at the very least will end up close friends, but there's a lot of opportunity to make them closer as romance is not just fan service or as hand waved as in Undertale
Why is Susie this clueless?
>>84345091>too much angst on my feedOne must have tension before catharsisI get what you mean though, some people need to lighten up a touch
>>84345392What if Deltarune 2 is made in 20 years from now on and it's about their kids
>>84345301too much chalk clogging up her neurons
>>84345463looking forward to the Deltarune Babies joke in the Deltarune 10th Anniversary Stream
>>84345301Deltarune romance always reminds me this>Author had never seen a living dick>Characters are dumber than a sparrow on fentanyl>TWO RETARDS JUST CAN'T FUCK>by S. P. Inster
>>84345392Fr, or at the absolute very least put the shoe on the other foot, let me see Susie pining for Kris or regretting not pursuing him or something. Seeing kris on the verge of suicide a thousand times over is exhausting
>>84345611>let me see Susie pining for Kris or regretting not pursuing him or something.To be fair, we're outright given the angle for Kris angst, reversing it would be complete fanfiction, basically. I don't like suselle but going "susie WISHES she should've gone after kris" feels a bit too meanspirited. I like Kris angst because I empathize with him but that kind of susie angst just feels like punishing her for the sake of it
>>84345651You’re right, I’m just bitter about the situation as it stands right now. I really don’t want the game to end with Kris getting passed over and being the third wheel. At least give him a win or let him move on cause I just feel awful for him
>>84344709Not that I want to intrude on someone’s latent kinks being activated, I think there’s some fun dynamic of Susie living at the house and playing off Kris’ troublemaking spirit. All evidence points to Toriel not really being able to rein in Kris’s pranks or even encouraging them (offering to drop smoke bombs in the library to get out of paying the family debt).I like the idea that staying at the Dreemurr’s wouldn’t make her lose her rough side, but she’d still be encouraged to show her softer and respectful side - helping out around the house, learning to cook, improving her studies… but also doing goofy shit with Kris and skirting the edge of trouble.There’s so much potential for post-story adventures with them it would be a dream come true.
>>84345814I personally just worry that the Kris angst is going to be speedran. I really don't think we have the time left to really let the characters stew and think about what Kris has done and how his feelings truly are. I genuinely feel like it's just gonna get solved extremely quickly. Which would suck
>>84346569"Everything from now on is going to have Suselle pacing" is a phrase I think about sometimes and have to hurriedly shove back into the depths of my mind favela.
>>84346569Two 5-8 hour chapters still gives plenty of time to digest and work through issues. Struggling to understand Kris’s sudden betrayal in chapter 6, leading to a chapter 7 where they bulldoze through his angst to make him realize he’s not beyond saving if friends still care about Kris.
>>84345611Id love to see that too, but theres just not much to build off on without constructing an alternate reality. We already know Susie can miss out on seeing the festival with Kris and not get too down because she still has supposedly the best day of her life. Susie can easily make new friends now. Kris cant.
>>84347016With any luck the next chapters will be a lot longer, like how Chapter 7 in Mother 3 was abouy as long as all previous chapters combined. Also I predict the chapters will be much more focused on Kris and the main cast. Toby went all out on having the Flowers dominate chapter 5 and confirmed no more schizobosses because we arent getting darkner driven stories anymore.
>>84347371I really don’t feel she could, most of her class still hates her ass. She burned the bridge with Berdly, ruined things between Catti and Noelle, and save Alphys/Toriel/Rudy she’s not on good standing with many adults either. I honestly think this is gonna play into chapter 6, maybe give her a wake up call when she realizes most people still see her as a bully. There’s some potential angst and maybe her realizing that she doesn’t have as much as she thinks she does
>>84347654Things have gotten better with Jockington and he'll might make Catti come around, and anyway that was played off as a joke. Berdly is eager to be friends. The rest of the town might as well be gonered. Susie doesnt have any requirements for being a friend other than being nice to her. Kris rejected eveyone in town nice to him because he only truly connected with 3 or 4 people ever.
>>84347916Nta, but Toriel might be a friend. So long as she doesn't learn that Susie once bullied and threatened Kris' life (Even if Susie never actually intended to permanently harm Kris.), of course.
Why didn't Toby do it?
>>84347992>putting it between Kris' and Susie's roomoh boy
>>84347992Since Toby has shown time and time again he doesn't like throuples, this would be a more on-the-nose symbol of Noelle's inclusion driving a wedge between Kris and Susie
>>84348045>symbol of Noelle's inclusion driving a wedge between Kris and SusieSo entire point of chapter 5?
>>84348045Suselle is literally a wedge between Kris and Susie in the story. It hurt Kris as well as mess up his plan to keep Noelle out of the dark world. I don't think there is even any other motive for suselle to exist as neither Noelle or Susie can explain why they like eachother other than wanting to hear eachother hearbeats.
>>84347916If it was played off as joke it wasn’t very funny, I doubt Jockington is gonna be too keen on being pals with someone who made his friend cry. >>84347973I could see Asriel being the factor that gets Toriel to turn on Susie. If Asriel knows how Susie treated Kris in the past I could see him crashing out on Susie and Noelle, ultimately leading to the FUN gang breaking apart and Susie falling from grace, though that might just be me hoping for a reveal that Asriel has been masterminding Kris’s whole betrayal.
>>84348395Honestly, I don't think the non-focal townsfolk are going to play much of a part for the rest of the game until the very end. Berdly barely does anything at the festival, and I think it's because Toby realized that he's not getting any younger and/or his team are finally putting the screws to him to finish the damn game. Having a Berdly route at the festival would have been a lot of work for something not a lot of people would see, and nothing plot relevant could happen because there are playthroughs where Berdly is in the hospital the whole time. So it's easier from a writing and development standpoint to make him do nothing in every Normal Route festival. Catti will probably be treated the same way. She starts off the game on good terms with Kris and Noelle, and that opinion changes if you interact with her to show that they're both paling around with Susie now. How do you account for this change in opinion? The easy way is, you just don't until there's a big farewell section at the end, and all you need to write is a single dialogue interaction. Ironically, having multiple outcomes for a side character earlier in the game makes them harder to write later, and that might not be worth the effort when it comes to actual game development.
>>84348951Stuff like this is why i'm confused toby made so many different outcomes for aborted weird route. There's no way they can really have any large impact on the narrative because that would be an insane amount of stuff to write. So why bother?
>>84348951To not flesh out the townsfolk but focus so much on showing how 8 new Darkners have so much depth and then go back to only flesh out past Darkners only has to be intentional. Kris despises these people as much as WR Noelle does.
>>84349191Oh my god both of those goats are so gay.
>>84349191Oh my gosh
>>84349191is she wearing rouxls's getup
>>84349254I believe it's this outfit here:
>>84342886didn't realize this guy was such a big deltarune fan
>>84349191oh hey this looks thumbnail looks new, is this thread art? I wonder who drew-OH MY GOD
>>84349191Veth outwitted by Seth, earthquakes and volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria
>>84349254DIDST SOMEBODIE SAYETH
>>84349271>>84349191Muffled absolute destiny apocalypse in the background
>>84344167I still believe
I can bake gib editions
>>84350145Clueless Edition >>84345301Chomp Edition >>84342410Size Difference Edition >>84336336
>>84350145>>84314056Held Aloft Edition
>>84350256>>84350256>>84350256New Thread
>>84349329I wouldnt say outsmarted.
