Locker Room Talk editionTalk about all things FVN here: Gay, straight, bara, twink, femboy, Western, Japanese, human MC, anthro MC - you name it.>Pastebinhttps://rentry.org/furryvn>What is this pastebin?This pastebin serves as a hub for compiling FVNs that we think are worth playing (or at least worth keeping an eye on) into lists.>Who can contribute to the pastebin?Anyone!>Looking for something new or want to see what projects are out there?https://fvn.li/Last thread: https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/84420991
first for the main character of this thread
What is the moral of the story of Echo again?
>>84645027My stars, the art of that VN really do fucking suck.
>>84645100
>>84645027Leo has such a shit taste it's unbelievable.
>>84644884You got the last thread wrong, geez!
>>84645830No wonder, it didn't have "/fvn/ - Furry Visual Novels" as its subject!Real last thread: https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/84546677
>>84645830I'm sorry ok I tried! I NEVER start new general threads myself, I had to go meet my family so I was in a rush but didn't wanna let the thread die either, and it was already well past bump limit that time. No one else was stepping up to the plate so I did>>84644872>By a Mormon who most likely did missionary work down thereConfirmed, he went to Argentina. If you look up "Campo Largo Argentina" it's an actual town there, the VN itself fictionalizes most other location names though. For example I think Argentina is called Paranà in universe, Chile = Andea, and so on. I'm still absorbing the nomenclature but that's the gist
I have to say a mormon is the last person I expected to find in this fandom, mormon or ex-mormon, it doesn't matter. But I like this nigga's attitude nonetheless, neutral, professional, I respect that
>>84646584>I'm sorry ok I tried! I NEVER start new general threads myself, I had to go meet my family so I was in a rush but didn't wanna let the thread die either, and it was already well past bump limit that time. No one else was stepping up to the plate so I didCute schizo anon has delusions of making threads he didn't make.
>>84647112Don't try to gaslight me nigger. Anyway who's that character you keep posting, he looks cool as fuck
>>84645100>Leo route: Clear communication is key in a relationship (or ending one)>Carl route: You need to appreciate yourself>TJ route: Your past sins will come back to haunt you>Flynn route: Some secrets are best left untouched>Jenna route: Don't be a manipulative bitchOverall, don't force a friend group over shared trauma.
>>84643579Artyom is worst Man, but also funny as fuck once the cards are on the table. Meanwhile Mert is just a walking failure. No wonder they lose to Rajiv and Berno.>>84643589I like it cause it completely re-contextualizes everything that happened up to then and justifies how "Forced" everything was.
>>84647307Ten Kodori, the most thirsted after side character in Morenatsu! Well, maybe after Tappei...
>>84647907For me, it's Tetsuya Inoue.
>>84648202He is really cute and underrated, for sure.
>>84647856In Artyom's and Mert's defence, Rajiv is the walking embodiment of Aryan excellency.
>>84649589>"aryan">named rajiv>pittbullriiiiight.
>>84649887Brown-coded. Pretty realistic depiction of an online neo-Nazi, don't you agree?
>>84647856>84643579 anon here, just finished every route and I must say Mert is the better between Rajiv & Artyom, since Berno's ending is not out yet, Mert does commit to loving Finn in his ending, but then I'm not sure if he is just deluding himself to be perfect or this time was really genuine, when Finn calls Mert out during a confession, Mert seems to talk quite similarly to when he confessed to Artyom too, which part of him is real? I bet he does not know himself also I'm kinda dissapointed he did not mention the Artyom confession to Mert. If I was Finn I'd probably gaslight Mert that his father would not had wanted him to do all this just to get back at him
Have any of you guys experienced fvn burnout before? By this I mean, you become fatigued from reading fvns, and ultimately lose interest in them completely.If so... What was the fvn you finally read that made you regain your interest in reading them? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
>>84651143always take breaks after finishing one best for a month
>>84651143Not really? I don't read unless im interested or in the mood to read, Burnout is what is happening if you are just forcing yourself, and while that is understandable with things you have no choice in like Work or Education if you are forcing yourself with recreation you are doing it wrong by default and it is self-inflicted.Diversify your interests anon. Especially since your body does influence your brain (mind), if ALL you do is sit and read all day that's bad, even if it would be something /lit/ approved and not just Beastmen Making out, plapping and crying about Trauma. Variety is the spice of life.>>84650866Mert is probably more "genuine", but that is not really a good thing. Going by his backstory Mert himself is basically a victim himself and does NOT have his shit together, he NEEDS Finn to reject him and have him fail so he gets out of his "IM A PERFECT SUPERHERO!" mindset that is basically the source of his problems as it gave him an Ego and then had him unable to deal with failure, which then made his failures snowball.He would "learn to love" Finn, but that's not what either of them need, and just continues his situation of being a tool without actual self-agency, even as the President. Just like how ultimately Artyom getting Finn means he can't move on and will resort to Necromancy if need be.>I'd probably gaslight Mert that his father would not had wanted him to do all this just to get back at himThat's the neat thing, it wouldn't be Gaslighting. Mert's dad really just wanted Mert to be happy and have a future and he approved of the "Super Heroics" because he thought Mert wanted it, but as we see that shit is making Mert miserable and he probably just actually wants to be a Music Teacher or something going by the smaller character moments.And that is assuming the letter wasn't tampered with.
>>84650866>Mert does commit to loving FinnDunno, felt more like he was just saying what he felt like Finn WANTED to hear from him for him to get the apple form Finn, not what he himself actually wanted, with him going all "I can be whatever you want me to be, just marry me, I need that fucking apple twerp!!!" or so.
>>84651143No, not really. But that's because I take frequent breaks and don't read something unless I'm in the mood.
>>84651143I only burn out if it's boring dogshit like Devil's Gambit or Minotaur Hotel
>>84651759Bait.
>>84651759Yeah.. pretty much the same for me.
>>84651771Maybe if you're retarded and can't handle criticism yeahFucking fragile faggot lmao
>>84651759For me it was Killigans Treasure. It wasn't bad or anything, I did the Zhok route, and got kinda far in his romance (about as far as the park scene from what I can remember). But for whatever reason around then I just completely lost interest and had to drop it. Like I physically could not push myself to read more.
>>84651839>>84651771
>>84651905I need to stick around until I can fix my rejected and cucked pirate cutie.
>>84651673Considering when you say no to him the first time Mert says we do not need to have a relationship, and in the CG they still end up marrying although he already had apple, I think thats alright enough>>84651614Yeah you are right, when he suggested he be our dad too and with all the protection stuff he was saying, I do wonder if that is what he truly wants if he were to be in a relationship with Finn, to be a father like his and give his "son" a life he himself wanted and never got, I do feel bad for Mert even though I'll pick Berno over those two fuckups and pittler, maybe my fetish for buff caring american dudes blinded me.>That's the neat thingmaybe that could be suggested to Polaron the sidenote, I think Finn becoming a god is the best ending for now
>>84651933>>84651771
>>84651988Cannibal shark supremacy. Succeeded hard enough to get in Berno's sidegame.
>>84651771I don't think so, while both are popular and have (different) appeal points i can see people not like either. I dropped MH years ago (When the scene where Asterion got the his musical intrument and it was kind of a good Ending anyway, from what i got shit basically went on a massive sidequest with other chartacters after that) and was very close to Dropping DG after the Dragon Dream update, but the following updates course corrected and resparked my interest.Especially if that anon is into Twinks or Cubs or something, but the point is, if you force yourself to read something that isn't working for you you will probably burn out or get fatigued.
>>84651988>on the sidenote, I think Finn becoming a god is the best ending for now>becoming an evil vengeful god is the best outcome to Finn's story right nowThat's sad.
>>84652088I called it "bait" purely because it's basically trying to start an argument, not because I actually think anon intended to convey that they simply didn't agree with him. I can understand not liking a slow FVN but there are very few I'd call "boring dogshit". I couldn't get through MH myself, but I don't have any particular hatred for it either.
>>84652145Fair enough.
>>84652033He is hot, but its just a simple hookup and nothing more, i find it funny the Rene can morph his body from twink to hunk in his buff form too>>84651614was hoping for a jiro sex scene with everyone when i reached that chapter like one of those eastern fvn, but this seems to take place in a serious realistic world so its too problematic for it, I'd rather the author never included it. japantown kinda sucked as a whole>>84652094after all the betrayal, can you blame him? at least he is with his onee san and family
>>84652202bald form*
>>84652197Sex between these two now. Younger tops.
>>84651614>Diversify your interests anon>Variety is the spice of life.NTA but what would you suggest anon-san?I've been kinda getting that feeling too but I look at what an exploitative cesspit the job market is and it makes me not want to have anything to do with that, like if you're getting in there you are going to get fucked like a whore especially if you don't have a degree. And all the nice jobs (something librarian related wouldn't be bad) are already taken, there is only shit. I agree that it's unhealthy to be doing only FVNs or vidya or other stuff like that as a NEET, but I look at the alternatives and somehow they seem even worse. I don't have a degree so I think being a leech to my parents as shameful as it is is as good as it gets. The overreliance on degrees and job sites, among other things, has destroyed the job market.But whatever, if not jobs then what else might you suggest for autist-fit variety mah nigga
>>84652272God I hope this thing continues..
>>84652272>The overreliance on degrees and job sites, among other things, has destroyed the job market.Holy fuck this.>But whatever, if not jobs then what else might you suggest for autist-fit variety mah niggaExercise. Get fit. It's a good way to clear your mind and keep yourself healthy. Eat some comfort food. Draw, write. Etc.
>>84652340> Exercise. Get fit.> Eat some comfort food.Okay, but like, what if your comfort food is junk food? What do you do now?
>>84652476Exercise and junk food aren't mutually exclusive, you just need to be mindful of how much your putting in your body. You won't get ripped or huge if you're eating trash while working out, but you'll still feel better than if you didn't exercise at all. The human body wasn't made to sit around all day.
>>84652272Work out (Incredibly Autism friendly), if you live in a safe area (90% chance you don't) you can start taking walks, you can also go to the local pool and swim (and while this might be a issue if you are self-concious being NEET means you have a variable schedule so just go when it is pensioner time or just outright dead hours), if you live with your parents i assume a house, which mean a garden, so you can check with your parents if you can make a plot for some seasonal veggies to care for or something.You can also go full Housewife and look up how to sew and then get into repairing clothes, or step up your cooking game (Your working parents will appreicate this) and then experiment with new foods, those two also ease your economic burden because it can let you save money, make your own jams and and shit, that stuff is increasingly a lost art. It doesn't matter if you are a Man or a Woman, all adults should know how to Cook.>>84652476Balance it, and experiment to find more comfort food that isn't junk or ways to get your food less junky, For example Burgers aren't really bad food at all if you make them yourself and not getting Fastfood ones cause have more control over it, less preservatives, can go for smaller size if you are just after the flavor as a treat and such.
Non-update for Cor. The author gives signs of life, says he's playing with the idea of getting back to it, 3 years later:https://team-ether.itch.io/cor/devlog/1623737/cors-not-back-yet-butThat's... Nice, I guess, bit of a nothingburger but it's a burger short of nothing nonetheless>>84652340>Draw, write.I do this at the very least. I have to remind myself not to stress too much over doing those things as a FVN wannabe creator. I guess creating a FVN instead of solely reading them is a way to diversify. Careful not to turn it into a job now! It'll suck the enjoyment out of it
>>84652300I'm optimistic that it will, author did give an update a while back. Have faith brother
>>84652145>H-How can someone dislike something, it must be a trollpost!How fucking autistic are you
Proving my point. Here, have a Raruk.
>proving my pointBait
How to avoid getting taken down or sued for your FVN? Just take characters no one will care about. Hello again, /fvn/. The mystery game was one called Kemono Onsen. I thought it was longer based on the word count, but it seems like it was largely misleading. I'll break it down a bit more here: https://rentry.org/47qw69fu>>84651143I don't get burnout all together, just after reading a FVN I find boring, the experience is exhausting. While reading ones I like can recharge me. Of course I'm an odd one out since I'm going out of my way to try a lot of them. It makes more more motivated to tank the hit and move on instead of spinning out. Of course it isn't like I use all my free time on FVNs. My other main outlet is writing very short porn stories and sharing them Sharing my thoughts with he thread is also a good motivator. I just like stories and writing and FVNs are a good way to engage with that as well as get some romantic or sexual engagement as a bonus. FVNs are usually pretty big time commitments, so if it isn't working for you it is important to reflect a bit. If you aren't enjoying your time, there is nothing wrong with stepping back and stopping for now or just moving on. Because if you aren't enjoying it, odds are the trip won't be worth it if it is making you apathetic to the whole thing.
>>84651143Actually been away from the threads for like 6 months because of this. I was browsing fvn.li last night to see if anything caught my eye and figured I'd browse through this thread and see if there's anything new and interesting ha ha
>>84653788Is that fucking Rotor.
>>84653838Yeah, his 'dad' is in it too and you can have sex with the dad.
>>84653838That one rotorfag will be real happy
>>84653838No that is Jer his rotor-sona. Completely different. Here is another original character.>>84654024Kind of funny someone else has heard of this.
>>84654318>Kind of funny someone else has heard of this.It's been around for at least half a decade and I've tried it and seen how bad it is.
>>84653838You're shocked but there is an actual FVN coder dev in the main FVN Discord who uses a Rotor sona
>>84654386>It's been around for at least half a decade and I've tried it and seen how bad it is.For how little content it has, that is amazing. The only way that makes sense is if it got rebooted like twenty times or something. I mostly found it because it had a recent update and went into it blind.
>>84654449You mean Watson? I swear he's like the coder for 90% of the FVNs I play. I thought he had his own sona though from the times he's appeared in credits.
>>84652476As a former fatty, and someone who's lost around 80 pounds over the past year. I found the best tactic is to try and maintain a calorie deficit. Basically you need to be burning more calories than gaining. Keep in mind this only necessary if you're trying to lose weight. You can find videos on YouTube that explain it better than I can. Also using a calorie tracking app is super helpful too.>comfort food is junk food? What do you do now?Same, honestly I've tried all sorts of things, and stress eating has always been an issue for me. Literally the best advice I could give you is to try and replace your unhealthy foods with healthy alternative foods. So instead of eating KFC, make some homemade chicken with seasoning instead. Instead of eating ice cream, try eating one of those 70 calorie brownies fiber one makes, or healthy fruit alternatives. And when in doubt you can always drink diet soda, personally I drink diet sugar free soda every time I have a craving for something sweet. And trust me thats ALL the time. but even so I still have the occasional slip up where I pig out...Basically the absolute best thing you can do, is force yourself to change your diet. But, I guess it depends on how much you want to lose weight? Only (You) can change that.
>>84655405But anon, I’m broke.
>>84656193Your comment makes zero sense to me. Eating less food does not cost a lot of money? I mean produce meat can be a little pricey sometimes, but it shouldn't empty your wallet or anything? And fruit is usally dirt cheap in most grocery stores.
Embrace the musclechub pill
>market days fuckfest is still going on>>84656430It is the superior male form.>still an active lifestyle>beefy, big man>can be more flexible with your diet>firm belly
>>84656430Bait.
>>84656597superior cuddles, nothing else needs to be said
>>84656430I want to rub those muscles.
>>84656597You forgot the steroids. I'm sorry but achieving a build like that without juice is basically impossible. You can however still get a kind of athletic fat muscle build, but nothing that crazy.
https://neiffarious.itch.io/hey-moon-eyesWho doesn't love tragic romance stories? Or piggers?
>>84656916Piggers SUCK
>>84644884Where’s that faggot who said he was going to read Homecoming!?
>>84656916Literally everyone
>>84657011You only say that because the one in Knights College a shit.
>>84658049I was so disappointed, because I really like his design.
>>84658049Roswell too, like i can GET what Hermann is and his appeal as a Otome Villainess (Male), Roswell? Not that's some irredeemable shit, and im pretty sure the rewrite made Dave less pissed at him and no longer calls him a psycho to his face, since swear he did that when the Ending build dropped.
>>84658449Why does he have to be such a cunt.
>>84658530See >>84658471.Hermann has to be a cunt because Knight's College is just a "Magical Academy" Otome Game reskinned to be Gay (and Bara) and he fills the "Villainess" role, Upperclass twat, "STAY AWAY FROM MY MAN!", Goofy laugh, does shady shit with Poison, Etc. I can't remember if he got a "Downfall" scene in KC1 or not though, but point is, if Truck-kun visited you then there is a good chance that you'd end up as Hermann.
>>84658471why's there a mansized hole in the floor
>>84658657>I can't remember if he got a "Downfall" scene in KC1In the epilogue, when he gives you the poison tea that paralyzes you, you can choose to swap the teas around and paralyze and molest him instead.
At least we have Jehu... right?
>>84658709Wait until he gets redesigned for the third time and is no longer a pig.It happened to the parakeet.
>>84658674It's Hermanns EP, he literally made the floor so soft that Argo sank down, i think it goes back to normal after like half an hour or something. Kind of a shitty EP but it beats Super-Dying and it is the key to the "Defeat the Dragon" sub-plot since it is good immobilization.>>84658693Right, i don't remember if that was public though, but i guess it counts regardless.
>Orion thinks Echo Project was more influential in the FVN genre than MorenatsuIs he right?
>>84658927>Orion thinkswho?
who
>>84658957The Remember the Flowers writer
>>84658927Nope, But IIRC Orion went on a youtube interview and seethed over Morenatsu years ago and how he didn't like reading it and "it aged badly" so it is hardly surprising he would think so since he stated this stance back then and is high on his own bias. Remember anon, he has an angle to kiss up and circlejerk his local community here and is Sex Negative so opf course he wants to wahs away the part of FVN history that unapologetic porn had influence and claim that something that presents it as Negative did more.Anyway, at best it only arguably for the western sphere and even THEN Adastra did more then Echo did. Echo is good, but thinking it "did more then Morenatsu" is delusional when it was built on the momentum Morenatsu established to start with. There is a reason so many FVNs are Gay and Bara, and it ain't Echo. And LE PSYCHOLOGICAL HORROR being overused predated Echo too.Basically, when it comes to Morenatsu takes you can dismiss his takes cause he already aired his bias against it.
>>84656916It is interesting to very upfront about the suffering. I might give this one a shot at some point. >>84658449Same because I was hoping there would be more to him.>>84658709He is a cute nerd and most likely the best pigger out of currently running FVNs>>84658758Jorge is better as a hamster.>>84658927I think this is revising history a bit. Morenatsu is largely the first big gay FVN. It isn't the first gay furry FVN, but largely the one that made people interested in them. You can say that Echo ultimately had a bigger splash and caused more people to be interested in them, but Morenatsu is patient zero and the scene largely wouldn't have taken off as soon as it did without it. Not to say something never would have come along and been in its place, just a lot of them were most likely being a little inspired by it to do their own work.
>>84658927I don't really like Orion but I think anyone who thinks Morenatsu was especially influential or relevant in regards to the prominence of FVNs is full of it. Not even Repeat can claim that title, and it predated EP by years. Morenatsu was simply the first and motivated other creators (notably not the community as a whole) to try their hand at the genre, but it wasn't until Echo Project hit it big between Echo and Adastra - mostly the latter - that the genre snowballed into what it is today.>>84659317Anon, he's talking about EP as a whole. Not Echo specifically.
>>84659387>Anon, he's talking about EP as a whole. Not Echo specifically.I mean the question still uses "These Titles". Plus at that point it is a disingenuous comparison to start with cause it is comparing a whole development team that could coast on existing momentum to one singular VN.That said, reading it closer "Relevant to the community" is not the same as "Influential", so im willing to chalk that up to anon, and i am willing to admit something "Local" has larger relevance to a non-global spanish community so i guess i just fell for anons ragebaiting wordswap here. Basically im willing to give this "Morenatsu is more Influential, but Echo is is more relevant to the western community".But that's not actually much of a achievement. It is like saying that E33 is more relevant to France right now then Wizardry 1 or Ultima is.And i still assert he has bias up his ass because he engaged with such an idiotic question to posture.
>>84659317>And LE PSYCHOLOGICAL HORROR being overused predated Echo too.Assuming what you meant is Blackgate based on your character image then whilst it has all the big features that Echo would refine (a haunted cursed town, furries, psychological horror, eldritch evil sleeping beneath the town), it still never really took off compared to what Echo managed to do with it and I'm not sure how much focus it gave to its horror aspects beyond using them as set-dressing or light character flavor most of the time. The biggest impact I can attribute to it beyond Echo itself is that the proto-Soulcreek pitch existed because of it, and if you were to ask most furries nowadays, they probably would not be able to tell you off the top of their heads that Echo started as a Blackgate spinoff.The one that most immediately springs to mind amongst the earliest non-Blackgate spinoff FVNs that made this stuff a focus is Repeat, which mostly keeps a lighter tone compared to everything that would succeed it. I also don't think Echo took much, if any, inspiration from it given that Repeat is incredibly upfront about being urban fantasy with Wishes being common amongst all the main cast and several of the side characters, whereas Echo takes time to establish the presence of the Hum and the threat it poses whilst mostly insinuating that the worst of it is limited to the town (before the Socket Man reveal that it encompasses multiple timelines and the Arches plot point of it existing across a multiverse).
>>84658927I kinda feel that Echo Project as a whole benefited a lot from when it released. EP has a whole team of individuals, they had a Patreon to collect income to ease development, etc. And, of course, it being naturally in English.>NOBODY in the furry community knew what a visual novel was until Echo ProjectI mean... something about this feels off. I'm sure people knew of the genre, but not necessarily how accessible they could be. VNs as a media form has existed long before both projects, they just weren't furry.>>84659317>how he didn't like reading it and "it aged badly"Sounds like the usual complaints about how anime/JP media explores particular tropes. Not to say he's wrong exactly, everyone has their own personal threshold for those things.
>>84659714Morenatsu itself is pure SoL outside of the rape related bad endings, which are major tonal whiplash moments but also don't suggest the presence of some overarching conspiracy or buried eldritch horror plot. The most common plot threads that the majority of FVNs use nowadays (troubled friend groups, supernatural horrors acting in the background, knowledge about what's really going on that only certain individuals are aware of, some flavor of eldritch demon) stem from Echo and the remainder ("my wolf", massive sprawling conspiracies, 'useless' twink human MCs, the typical isekai/sole human FVN beats, manipulative cosmic gods as the OTHER flavor of cosmic horror, etc) come from Adastra. You can trace the DNA of the common FVN and if you go back far enough, you'll end up right at Echo Project in some form. Maybe some small exceptions made for tropes like "snarky magical immortal companion characters" which it seems can be traced back to Repeat instead FVNwise. Some outliers also exist like After Class which have more Morenatsu in them (in both obvious and not-so obvious ways) but even they take from the same tropes Echo popularized. Whilst Orion is definitely biased and full of shit in many respects when it comes to Morenatsu, he's not wrong in that it had WAY less relevance or influence compared to Echo Project or even just Blackgate alone. Most FVNs would not exist in their current forms if it weren't for Echo and Adastra, and neither of those would exist if Blackgate didn't. Not a lot of people will cite Morenatsu for getting them started on their first FVN, but what they will cite if you ask is having played Echo or something similar.
only boomers think morenatsu was influential for FVNsonly zoomers think echo (project) was influential to "the medium"
>>84659878just wait for gen alpha's Roblox-like FVN to drop.
>>84659329>>84659752>>84659878morenatsu as a sort of flagship community/fan project in the latter development of semi-abandoned project was important. renpy was sneaking into prominence at the same time and allowed all sorts of projects to spring up in that spirit.
>>84659878You don't need to be a zoomer or anything to realize a lot of what's common in FVNs these days is mostly because everyone is trying to be the next Echo/Adastra. >>84659928Could end up being Lust Shards but I don't think it has the necessary reach for that (MoF's comments in his QnA's and on Twitter in general aren't helping either). I personally don't think we're ever going to see like, a TADC-tier phenomenon for any FVNs anytime soon at least.
Didn't Howly literally say Morenatsu influenced Echo's creation in a QA thing eons ago? Back when Blackgate was still alive iirc
>>84659932Morenatsu largely was the starting point for a lot of people even if it is more in style today to downplay and dismiss it for its problematic content. People didn't have much choice then and I would say most who are interested in gay FVNs have played it at some point and just isn't as popular anymore, doesn't mean it wasn't important. Lightning in a bottle, but it is why I don't think Orion saying that EP largely started the interest in gay FVNs is true. Hell even Howly says Morenatsu was an inspiration for Echo for him and that should be enough proof that it did have an impact.
>>84658927I can't really give an objective judgement here since my opinion is biased. I haven't enjoyed anything by echo project.
Both Morenatsu and Echo suck, it’s like comparing a shit sandwich to a diarrhea sunday. People need to take off their rose tinted glasses
>food analogy
>>84660434That's fair, people sing its praises, but the characters aren't actually written to be likeable, and if you are going for Romance it is a gigantic non-starter. Even IDUNN is more romantic then it, hell even that one VN that is all about breaking up is more romantic. Plus regardless of if it was intentional or not at the end it was basically >>84645160 at the end of the day.Echo is a story about Shitty People. [memespoiler]Arguably even TJ because his route basically has him worsen the situation, though it is arguable if it was Echo sabotaging his attempts to indirectly say "CHASE DID IT!".[/memespoiler].>>84660620It's Sundae anon. Plus both are better then the actual worst Popular FVN that i won't mention because it would be funny to see what various anons think it is. Im assuming yours is either of those two? There can only be one. No ties allowed.>>84660672Look anon, they only get overused because they are overpowered.
Echo Project zoomers need to kneel in front of Morenatsu boomers.>>84657011>>84658049>>84658709We all know who the best FVN piggers are (Sigmund Whiskey from QLT and Botan-sensei from Morenatsu).
>>84660434>dead gameThanks for the reminder, Dylan route never ever.
>>84660760>Plus both are better then the actual worst Popular FVN that i won't mention because it would be funny to see what various anons think it is. Chord Progressions.
>>84660966Close anon, but no cigar, this is something older. But i'll stop being coy. It's Yawn Bore Us, as far as im concerned that's worst Popular FVN, just my opinion of course.
>>84661613Ah. Then yeah, Dawn Chorus easily takes that spot as far as I'm concerned. Not a single hook to be found there.
>>84658986Wasn't it Jericho?>>84659878All this talk about FVN history makes me feel like an outlier. I've only just gotten into this medium (December 2025, I'm 29), 9:22 was my gateway into it, LS is probably my favourite and I've to this point not felt compelled to play neither Morenatsu nor Echo nor Adastra. Looking at some release dates it seems a good bulk of new FVNs released around 2020 during the whole Covid shitshow, or sometime thereafter which could lead one to assume they were conceived during that period. That's another interesting element to consider, just throwing it in there...>>84660292>problematic contentWhenever I hear that adjective I immidiately discard that opinion, you should too brother, fuck those puritan dick heads. Ooh problematic problema- Shut the fuck up>>84659980>(MoF's comments in his QnA's and on Twitter in general aren't helping either)What do you mean?
>>84662977>What do you mean?That anon is just a schizo don't worry about his opinions he thinks MoF is some right wing grifter
>>84663297WTF I love MoF even more now!
Add this game to the pastebin it rocks
>>84664121gr8 b8 m8
>>84664121I've never actually played amorous despite hearing about how shit it is for years.What's actually wrong with it?
>>84664121>Anton Ego flashback .gif>>84664301If you like Incredible Gassy esque animation, it's for you. Also, it had a tranny before it was trendy.
I like that you can fuck your slutty little stepbrother in it, didn't bother playing past that.
>>84664121This and Major\Minor are actually the defining pieces of media for "the medium", but we're not ready for that conversation.
Ok-Pissing or being on drugs at the side of the road and at the sigh of everyone-Dating Mr Bronson -Being in the passenger sit when, Mr Bronson kill Old Sam by bumping him with his car-Help him, burying Sam (God bless her and Mr Bronson, not knowing who Sam was. I don't think Daddy Andy would be happy to tell her, that Granpa William answered the call of the dick)and more...Conclusion : Wtf is wrong with the Adlers => Let's hope Janice get steralized or that she achieved menopause Btw can someone explain me the end of Jenna's route like, why did Lake Emma grew up and why Jenna didn't go with us and instead to take some documents to the Reclamation Department ?
>>84664616Think you mean Winds of Change
>>84664877>why did Lake Emma grew upbecause she wasn’t a baby lake anymore
>>84664877>Dating Mr BronsonThe only sound thing she ever did, he's so hot...
>>84665948Echo only exists as a confirmation that this man fucks
>>84664301Nothing wrong with it people just don't like the artist It has tweened animation but most games don't even have animationsIt also has a really good character creator
Any good games that are not baraslop?
>>84666980No.
>>84667438Are you sure?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
>>84666980You can go ask about fabulous sissy games at /furry games/. This is /fvn/, we talk about VNs.
>>84666980That'd be Lust Shards, Satan-kun
>>84662977MoF has a tendency to get into stupid arguments with people on Twitter over the dumbest shit, like that entire Pawbert fiasco last year. Or when he went out of his way to talk about liking feral at length and kicked the entire fucking hornet's nest - which I can respect for him openly saying it, but I can also call him an idiot for doing so because that shit's going to make him a pariah amongst a lot of people or attract schizos eager to find something about him to make him fail.He also really, REALLY likes nettling people over him killing Alvy at the end of his route which doesn't help any of the above.>>84663297Retard.
>>84667492I mean there are twink VNs right?I played camp buddy it just wasn't furry
>>84667526>I mean there are twink VNs right?There aren't.
>>84667517This just tells me MoF ain't no pussy ass bitch who ain't afraid of nobody! And it reflects in his writing and characters, for a game filled with twinks everyone's proactive and alpha as fuck in LS, and those who aren't are pushed to be (the D&D nerds, Ollie).What was the Pawbert thing about though, I promise this is the last thing I'll humbly ask>him killing Alvy at the end of his routeBold of him to do that in hindsight, he builds such a good character only to rek him later. While sad I didn't think much of it since all the "true" routes (Therium, Alvy, and soon bingus and Scribbles) all clearly play pretty fast and loose with timelines and shit: events will rewind once more and he'll be alive again. I wonder what the purpose of those scenarios happening in the first place only to be undone while still being aknowledged by the narration is, some weird meta shit going on there, don't know what MoF's gameplan is there
>>84667517alvy was never a real route anyway, he's such an obviously baity bait character that i couldn't take any of it seriously. his reception here is nuts.
>>84667703>This just tells me MoF ain't no pussy ass bitch who ain't afraid of nobody! Whilst true, it also means he's building a George Squares-esque hatebase who despise him for crazy fucking schizo reasons and will eagerly pounce on anything they can find to ruin him. Being so vitriolic helps push a lot of more thinskinned ones out, but it attracts the giga-retards who will eat him alive the moment he slips up even once.>What was the Pawbert thing about though, I promise this is the last thing I'll humbly askIt was him posting about Pawbert being the best furry character of 2025 essentially and then getting into a fight with Dispatchfags jerking off Sonar instead.
>>84667829Go work on the Scribbles route update MindOfFur.
I can't even call that bait you're just mad Alvy is a superior character to Tate and everyone else in the VN
>>84667829Kneel to the new KANG of FVNs, 'Natsu boomer!>>84667868I see, thanks for filling me in.About the giga retards, you're right about those, and there are certain kinds of people who just can't be bothered with them, you and me both, but, it comes a point where you can't let a bunch of freaks on the internet live rent free in your head dictating you behave in fear of repercussions from them. No matter what you do, someone will always find fault in it, you could be the nicest person on Earth, be on your best behaviour, some terminally online fucking schizo will still think you're Hitler, so I respect MoF for doing away with all that bullshit entirely and just speak his mind and live his life. That's the right attitude moving forward the newer generations I hope will espouse, now that the novelty of the internet has worn off and internet use has become pretty much normalized, it requires development of a new social model, a new way of thinking to be able to handle this cognitohazard. I'm a zillennial and tiptoeing around everyone on the internet is actually, genuinely exhausting, I think the constant paranoia has actually damaged my brain, I'd be better off just going balls to the walls, go out and proud, but I'm not built mentally to handle the flak. MoF seems like he is, and if people are gonna give him shit, I'll support him any way I can
>>84668133>>84668092these look like twinks
>>84664616I'd actually be able to admit that, the discourse around them, Jasonafex and their drama was pretty big and i remember it making people SEETHE like hell. I still don't know what the drama was about and being a gay i won't read.That so many seem to memoryholed them is part of the impact.
>>84668583tl:dr someone made a "my parents abuse me" comic and jason was like "well I think you kinda deserve it your parents are disciplining you for the real world"https://x.com/JasonafexFA/status/959829493706842112For the record I think both sides are retarded. Reducing childhood trauma to an attention seeking comic post for likes and comments glazing you or being that guy in the comments calling you a wimp for not taking it with a smileFurries are all just so retarded, but none are as retarded as >>84667868
>>84668423They aren't. They have muscle mass under their shirts.
>>84668858twinks can have muscle twink just mean low bodyfat guy
>>84668936And young. You forgot young
>>84668858>under their shirtsSo he's a twink then
I wish I was a twink with a twink bf..maybe in the next life, this run is kinda doomed..
I wish I had a Hunter bf...
>>84666183It’s never said that he’s Todd’s direct blood, in fact it’s stated he has tons and tons of other relatives that aren’t shown.
>>84659980>I personally don't think we're ever going to see like, a TADC-tier phenomenon for any FVNs anytime soon at least.Here's the thing no one wants to admit: If a work of fiction isn't popular with straight people, it's just never going to be mainstream. This is just common sense. Like, TADC and Undertale/Deltarune are popular with the LGBTQs, but they're only mainstream because straight people enjoy them. And honestly, I think that straight people should stay away from FVNs because having them be all mainstream would be shit for many different reasons.
>>84671171>but they're only mainstream because straight people enjoy them. The vast majority of TADC's fans are LGBT or outright troons. The creator is a tranny as well.Fair on Deltarune.>And honestly, I think that straight people should stay away from FVNs because having them be all mainstream would be shit for many different reasons.I agree with this. I wouldn't want Soulcreek, Lust Shards, or any of those to be popular with the mainstream. Straightfags often produce the worst fucking schizos and those would be the ones being drawn in like flies if FVNs became more mainstream than they already are.
Trying to retrain my brain after destroying it with shorts so i can better focus on reading and writing. It's rough. I might actually be cooked, bros.
>>84672266just narrate your life in your head, silly. Don't be afraid to be descriptive even if it's boring!
>>84672266Nothing is over until (YOU) decide it is! Just go read another FVN brother, or read an actual book. Or do nothing at all and just chill at the park or some shit
>>84672266>This Anon Fucking Sucks At Feading FVNs
[CAMPO LARGO SPOILERS, I recommend you read it for yourself first, it's satisfyingly uplifting]Fuck man. It got me good. Hit and sunk. Campo Largo starts slow but when it gets going it doesn't stop, it's like it spends the beginning setting up a nice, neat and orderly house of cards only to deliberately blow it away when the time is right. I thought the entire time he was going to remain stuck that way, he went through hell, confused, aimless and tired, his mind racked with dread, a psychological torture, so when Suarez finally came along and gave him the break he so desperately needed, that's when I teared up. Everyone needs a Suarez in their lives. What a bro.For a moment this (gorgeous) scene made me consider coming out myself, I had to pinch myself and be reminded this is still a work of fiction, but it is a testament to how satisfying the ending is. Even if it's been through someone else, a character from a story, it's been so uplifting and liberating all the same.One fine FVN, I liked it a lot, I think I got the best ending on my first try? At least for Suarez' route, I have yet to try the other one with the rabbit I think, still got the other options to try. Bit hesitant to see the bad ending(s?) since I don't wanna rinse away the great taste the one I got left in my mouth, so I'll explore those tomorrow just for curiosity's sake
anyways
What's like the worst retcon in an FVN you've ever seen?
Read Day two of Void dreaming and I got to say I've enjoyed it so far. https://rentry.org/hyopogis>>84662977>Whenever I hear that adjective I immidiately discard that opinion, you should too brother, fuck those puritan dick heads. Ooh problematic problema- Shut the fuck upI mostly brought it up because it is why some big name people have interest in denying that Morenatsu played a role in the birth of the FVN scene. Not that I think they are right to do so. Art is meant to sometimes be uncomfortable, unless it is in a way they don't like of course. It is also funny to then turn around and sing the praises of Echo when it touches on way more extreme subjects than Morenatsu did.>>84674506Glad to see someone else enjoy it as someone that also read it somewhat recently. I think the ending scene is pretty powerful and it goes out with a bang. If you had to only read one route, I would say Suarez is the one. As far as I know there is only one bad ending and it is pretty short. I also think the other route with the rabbit just got an ending so if you want to keep going there is that.>>84677921Hard to say because the closest thing that comes to mind is sometimes when FVNs get complete rewrites and that doesn't really count.
>>84677921im not sure any ive played have lasted long enough to retcon anything. retconned from>totally not abandoned i just had a mental breakdown and missed a few monthsto actually abandoned is common
>>84677921Hard to say cause often the tracks are covered up so people defend them or it is result of full rewrites.I'd probably say how ExAc kinda pivoted Eric from being implied to been disowned to MISUNDERSTANDING LOOK AT MY HOT DAD BUY HIS MERCH is up there.And arguably Leo in general, like yeah he was obviously fucking someone at the party to make porn, but making it a underaged patreon baby fuck i feel is arguable "Retcon".
