daily japanese thread
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sage
youre not allowrd to announce a sage
shittin my britches rn
shoulda invested in a pair of diaps
can u lend a nigga a pamper
>>85689353its over for jamal
all software is now open sourceminiyoga won
>>85689353every single decomp has weird shit that doesnt work right, still requires a human to make it perfect
ai boosters are fine with subpar quality because they are subhuman bootlickers
>>85687962figured as much
>>85689619lol good thing im inexorably tied to it already
>>85689580the ai roadmap
>>85689557https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zLuYU_Ub_0#t=405
they fixed ai man and this fat ungroomed man is here to tell us why
having a beard that big sucks cause the hairs of your mustache are always going in your mouth when you eat. i keep mine neat to avoid that. also you look like a dirty greasy hobo
yang gang wins again boosters btfohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=020ZvO0FbMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4Z3jxJM3Ag
>>85689772theo and sophia dabbed on him. and sofia didn't disagree with him but she looked cute
didnt watch 2 hours of that but laughed at the first girl saying she uses ai as a tutor and THERAPIST ahahahaAHAHAaHAAHaHAAHAHaAHa
>>85689795no idea who sophia is but theo didnt dab on anyone ever
u never heard of theo the dabgod? that nigga invented dabbing in the 80s in miami.
when will ai play games like this
now thats how u play a videogame
>>85689680tldw: veteran software engineer who spent months calling ai coding "slop" and "a scam" now says ai is more reliable than human engineers after opus 5.5 *flawlessly* oneshots a 2700 line spec in a single 7 hour run that would take a team of industry experts 3 months (before the human bug hunt even starts) to build
but what is the usable thing. oh there is none. ai boosters btfo again.
within a year all software will be reliably editable in any way you want with toddler prompts
no idea what oneshotting a 2700 line spec would even mean
>>85689993and the output will be a buggy weird mess that nobody wants to use. boosters btfo again.
its work already has way fewer bugs than human teams...
>>85690011is output more consistent and higher quality today than it was last year? 2 years ago? 3? it's better. do you think that trend will magically stop?
>>85690031what usable thing are you referring to that i can go check out right now.
>>85690034comparing dog turds is what u boosters have fallen to the level of? if its not good enough for someone to use and feel like using it was good then its not good enough end of story. boosters btfo
jamal doesn't get that models from just march are already more outdated than stone age tech and a buggy vibeslopped decomp that landed 2 months ago says nothing about what opus 5.5 can do today
what usable thing are you referring to that i can go check out right now.
every usable software you use rn is 90% written by ai
BOOSTERSTFO
>>85690094no its not. i havent updated in years.
nothing usable has come out in the last 15 years
>>85690110this is correct. if there was good shit, we would all want to use it. there is none
>>85690102yes it is, every employed software engineer uses ai because it's better than the top 1% of software engineers
>>85690139but yet software isnt better and nobody likes being gaslit about it. crazy
if ai was good these thread derails wouldnt even take place. qed
the derails happens because you're an annoying idiot. the people who MAKE software know ai is better than 99% of them so your consumer opinion is meaningless. there isn't a single situation anymore where 99% of software engineers without ai don't lose to ai
bro just keeps having the same argument with janigger forever
can ai do this?
>>85689580lol
>>85690307the twist was inevitable but i still didn't see it coming
oh shit the homeless polak chinkoid niggermutt college dropout posting from a mcdonalds parking lot after defaulting on his subprime mortgage has an opinion someone call cnn
his opinion is so worthless yet he has people here dedicated to arguing with him over it again and again and again
bitch kept her tits
>>85690384thank god
>>85690365yeah they should just filter the muttoid and occasionally lol at the residual shitflinging while cracking a hard smack upside his peanut sized head and relish poopys inability to retort without cuck kneeling off trip
>>85690384those are implants
>>85690210but yet theres nothing good that is made by ai. including your posts
>>85690339yeh i mean you can kinda tell the woman is a bitch that just sees him as a walking atm. oops that's redundant, i already said she's a woman
if there was something good wed all agree and just want to use it. thats how good things work.
we all use ai for work tho
the 70% increase in how much money im gonna make this year vs last is pretty goodthank mr claude
so far it isnt good. everyone who uses it agrees it just creates a different annoying workload for people
you're gonna be unemployed before 2030 so it all evens out
>>85690529no >>85689680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21JuYIPHMF8suno make something as soulful and eternal as this
more like satoshi konartist
>>85690547yes, *asks grok to link 10000 opinions that agree with me*
joe hisaishi and hirasawa should make a collab album
>>85690579that guy is a software engineer who's been hating on ai coding for as long as it has existed though. everyone skilled agrees it's a powerful tool. everyone who hates is unemployed or about to be laid off because they suck
the fact jp has a resident schizo who's always posting is quite funny
>>85690625takes skill to recognize skill shocking find and even crazier implications
it stopped being funny like 2 years ago tbqh
>>85690625i see ai output every day, its not good and up to professional standards. humans have to fix what it spits out to meet standards. ai is therefore trash.
>i see ai output every daywow didnt know janigger was a software engineer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyPYuaCxohk
>>85690657i just found it annoying but i check in every so often and he's still calling a bunch of newfags who have no idea who he is romi and that scenario is funny to me
>>85690685didnt realize software engineering is the only thing ai can be used for. wow its even more useless than previously thought.
>>85690672at this point if you don't tell us what it is we're going to have to assume you're making it up or it's a user skill issue>everyone who hates is unemployed or about to be laid off because they suck
could ai save him?
>>85690702at this point if you dont link a completely ai made thing that is amazing, were going to have to assume ai isnt good and is actually not good instead.
hard mode dont link that claudia xp thing. that shit was pretty sick ngl.
theres nothing to save unless shes employed by a man to lure him
>humans have to fix what it spits out to meet standards.also humans also have to fix what other humans spit out so if that's the standard then humans are trash tooa better standard is "are skilled people better off with ai than without it?" and the answer is yes. ai has improved to the point that in the end it saves skilled people time and effort and they are able to produce higher quality stuff faster. so ai is good
>>85690749what if he's gay and she's trying to corrupt him into liking foids?
>>85690691i check every week or so as well it is amusing in a way i suppose>>85690700it has many good use cases in swe
>>85690767indeed. so now were at the point that humans have to fix ai slop and then humans have to give a second look at the previous humans fixing of aislop. explain how this is good again?
>>85690700sholto douglas and dario think there will be the same progress in biology by 2028 that there is now for coding and math
if u ask ai to make the next thing unlike anything made before it crashes. ai is useless and trash, a party trick, like a white guy speaking flawless japanese
>>85690773thats a little messed up because we should all try to accept ourselves for who we are but it's not too bad
made my first post in the jp thread in like 5 months
>>85690726>completely ai made thingbut you've been saying it produces slop which creates more problems than it solves, why is the standard for "useful and powerful tool" = can 100% replace humans? you're dishonest>>85690799because in the end it still takes less time and effort to produce a higher quality output. that's why every skilled person uses it. the work humans have to do has changed yes but it hasn't increased, it's decreased
>>85690384athletic build nice but tatts? oh no!
>>85690856you have to be the dumbest person in this thread save diaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xHM0AS3izUnew lilnina track
jamal is too scared to say what he works on where even the latest ai models fuck up shit more than they help because he knows people will easily disprove it and he will be embarrassed
>>85690856ur the 1 saying its better than 99% of the world its time for some practical results that regular people can experience.
>>85690856>because in the end it still takes less time and effort to produce a higher quality output.wrong. you just add ai costs to the same job which still requires two layers of human interaction, which still takes the same amount of human time to complete.
>>85690902yall are too scared to post any kind of professional output made with ai because its all dogwater dogshitterino tho.
>>85690910i'm saying it is better than 99% of software engineers. the practical result is the hiring market, software engineers are 10x more productive with ai so everyone who doesn't use it gets fired for being too slow and useless>>85690918it takes less time to produce a higher quality product. name an area and we can prove you wrong
>>85690949pick an area yourself and prove me wrong by posting the actual output.
as for me? im weak for rezu kisu
so far all thats being proven here is 1 human is owning more than one human since u used the word "we" and yet u have the power of ai on ur side.... maybe im really powerful
it goes without saying though. u run on claude. i run on God's intelligence that isnt artificial. anyone here who isnt a bot does as well should they choose to let it work properly.
more like ÆŽ [ - ]E
anyway boosters btfo, bring more tokens next time dick suckaz
>>85690958i'm saying human + ai > human without ai almost everywhere. now in some areas ai alone > human without ai and in others human without ai > ai alonebut that doesn't change the point.software is one of the areas where it's human + ai > ai alone > human without ai most of the time now, and might become the first place where ai alone catches up to humans+ ai. what's your point? we would have to compare what the same skilled person/team did before ai and after ai. that's the correct comparison
uou should try not engaging with them if you dont wanna talk about it
>>85691071no actual ai output use for professional purposes, you lose again. boosters btfo
how stupid do you have to be to write big ass posts in good faith when the other person is bad faith personified lol
>>85691104>no actual ai output use for professional purposeswhat does this mean? ai alone output or human + ai output?i can prove human + ai > human without ai easily.
its kind of ironic that the only way ai can be good is if humans tell you why they FEEL like its good, instead of just posting ai made output that people would actually pay for and use in a professional context where quality is important.
>>85691129>ai can be goodai alone? but we aren't talking about that
>>85691124i made a typo use was supposed to be used. like how i used ur pathetic no-arguments to wipe my shiny digital ass with.
jamal ur so clueless about ai its kinda sad and path at the same time
im so clueless yet here u stand with no evidence that ai is good or useful in any kind of practical context irl.
like this should be really fucking easy and yet u cant provide anything but weak insults. its wild how braindead u booster retards are.
ur goofy ass definition of output don't even make sense like you can only win by using made up goalposts where you already stand but you don't realize you stand in shittime to wake up
>>85691145i am genuinely asking. so to confirm you are sayinghuman + ai > human without ai almost alwaysis false?you keep mixing up what you're talking about.
then again im probably arguing with losers on 4chan who have no experience in any kind of industry irl so they have no idea how to quantify anything other than regurgitating what someone else posted on twitter
watch out now jamal don't get too seethey on me
>>85691204so you're saying human + ai will be WORSE than human without ai in industry? commit to a claim.
>>85691189since uve only gotten dumber during the rise of so-called ai ill make it even easier. post anything revolutionary made by ai. anything. something with big wow factor. but you have to post the actual thing, not a tweet or a chart or anything where i have to take someone elses word it exists. u have to post the actual thing right here.
>>85691236there are only 3 categories jamal. ai alone, human alone, human + ai. rank them
>>85691243there is only category. impress me
only one category FUCK grok why didnt u proofread my post that was supposed to be a banger where i made an evil grin to the camera referencing something in the distant past that only long time djters would understand.
>>85691250i can't answer >post anything revolutionary made by ai. anything. something with big wow factoruntil you tell me whether you mean "ai alone" or "human + ai". i'm not arguing about "ai alone" but it looks like you are
>>85691265any and all three. it doesnt matter if its impressive. thats actually the guiding rule of the entire human world.
>>85691276>any and all three. so even human alone...? that just means you aren't impressed by anything, so whether you are impressed can't settle the question of a comparison
most human + ai shit is vibecoded slop where the human isnt even a programmer and thinks grok converting a pdf is revolutionary when theres things called computer programs that exist.
>>85691296well so far uve proved to be retarded as human alone and human+ai so suffice it to say im not very impressed atm.
dame it doesn't look good for jamalhe is getting p4wned
janigger post 1 impressive thing youve ever done in ur life
>>85691300you're comparing person A without ai with person B with ai. you have to compare the same person with and without ai to isolate ai and judge iti'm not a coward like you so i will make a clear claim: programmer with ai > same programmer without ai
>i'm not a coward like you so i will make a clear claim: programmer with ai > same programmer without aipost real results with the real output to prove this or fake and gay.
I'm convinced this bitch is into bestiality. >Kissing a dog on the lips>Wants a big farm (?)>Specifically mentions donkeysYeah I'm sure she just wants to ride one.
its fucking easy dude. just post the best vibeslop u got. lets go
>>85691353dame what is a manlet supposed to do in situations like this? just fap alone with my 6.2?
we've got him cornered guys. he finally committed to the most retarded claim >>85691349:a professional programmer with ai is WORSE than the same guy without aihaha
buss to some onlyfans vids then vibecode some shit
>>85691384ur the 1 that just made that claim. i just said post some cool shit and u really cant do it. its like u and the word cool are mortal enemies
grok agrees with me btw.
funny how i thought siemens was a japanese company despite me being a native german
>>85691372Just say you're 6 feet. Bitches don't know how to estimate accurately. If you're taller than her it won't matter.
semens
>>85691353i fit this description. well im muscular by jp standards
>>85691393haha so what is your claim my guy? everything is uncool to you so it doesn't settle any comparison. and "cool to you" isn't "useful for most" either
>>85691429my claim is u cant post anything made by ai or made by humans using ai that is cool good or otherwise well received by people in general, such that they would pay for such a thing.
> u cant post anything made by ai or made by humans using ai that is cool good or otherwise well received by people in generalclaude code and codex are both almost entirely written with ai and have millions of users that like both
im subscribed to multiple ai slop aritsts on patreon and fanbox
>>85691460so ai is the product itself and isnt actually useful. thanks for easily handing this dub to me once again.
>>85691469i saw ai hentai once. that shits fucked up
i guess this is a good way to look at it. claude and codex etc are basically just the rpgmaker of slop. but nobody really cares about anything anyones ever made with rpgmaker. heh
when there are more linux users than windows users you will know ai is useful (since no human in 40 years could make a good desktop OS)
theres no single stable linux distro
templeos is the way. thank u based terry
>>85691445i will settle with "ai is useful but not cool" if that makes you happy. being useful is objective and being cool is just your opinion. i don't want to argue about something subjective because you don't have a consistent standard. but if you're going to argue about objective things like "an engineer with ai take longer than the same engineer without ai to complete the same kind of project" then that's easily disprovable
>>85691474claude code and codex arent the ai itself, no
>>85691536windows xp was the best and most peak os in computer history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvzVaF4_EjE
terry is too insightful for ai nerds
>>85691564i dont need u to do anything but post something made with ai other than ur opinion.
>be japanese man>see operating system>"hmm... how can i explain this in terms of sex with minors?"
>>85691608isnt that u just projecting though. nothing about that vid has anything to do with what u just projected
>>85691634i didn't mention any video yet you knew exactly what i was talking about. huh.
>>85691643because u replied after i posted the video. u wrote the reply after the video was posted. there was no other discussion in between. sorry my autistic friend but not this time.
>>85691586i see the logic you are using. humans have made things you found cool, so if there is nothing made with ai collaboration that you find cool then that means ai is this gay and soulless thing that sucks out the coolness from stuff.but that has nothing to do with the fact that skilled pro with ai > pro without aihere ">" is objective, not coolness vibes. we are not talking about the same thing
>>85691659go clean your rose tinted glasses so you can see all the ecchi in the video and the fucken pedo bear reference at 1:47
>>85691676skills dont matter if humans dont appreciate them. in fact literally nothing matters if humans dont deem it soanyway break operation and discuss what the world would be like if george floyd was the president
>>85691711...... that meme didnt exist until years after that vid did. its not even the same bear. its just a regular ass brown bear chasing the windows tans hence the titled "troubled windows" slow ur roll nigga ur off ur rocker this morning
President Floyd solves inflation by instructing the mints to only print counterfeit money
>>85691715people appreciate it when something helps them complete their coding project in a day that would've taken them a month otherwise, especially when the result has even fewer bugs. that is common sense, and that's why most professionals use ai.take any kind of computer work. look at the people at the top right now. doesn't matter if top by money made or human appreciation. there is basically nobody there who isn't using ai. people who don't use ai are losing in every sense professionally. and consumers win too when pros use ai because the output is just better
>>85691797>and consumers win too when pros use ai because the output is just betteru know he's gonna just ask you to show what is better and you won't be able to point at anything but more meta-tools for using ai
dunno why this retard is just making a thorough record for us to come back and laugh at later. i mean imagine a supposed world changing technology being this difficult for even their most devoted boosters to show exists in any kind of practical way.
software is solved, chud. and it will replace your unspecified job next!
he really is retarded but mainly for engaging with you
u engaged tho, congrats on being equally retardit. :poop:
ai has lowered the barrier to producing output in professional fields, so there is a flood of amateurs using ai and even people trying to make a buck off purely ai built outputs. ai gets a bad rap because of this. you don't notice the pros using ai because the output is just that good, so it's a self reinforcing bias against ai.>>85691874you're just blind. as i said, it's used everywhere. everything good right now was made by some pro + ai>>85691888"new people with ai worse than old people without ai, so ai bad" you don't see the problem with the logic? you're coping. fun fact most software engineers who hate ai are mediocre and unemployed.
>>85691967proof?
>>85691975proof for what? that "if it's good and actively maintained, it's being built by pros using ai"? you keep saying nothing is good right now. that doesn't contradict it by the way
>you don't notice the pros using ai because the output is just that goodproof?
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even if u cant notice it in something, it would still be documented that it was used. so we could see the product and then oh ok. proof?
https://mitchellh.com/writing/my-ai-adoption-journeymitchell hashimoto uses ai as do many other well known competent devs how do you explain that
>>85692047maybe face tat retards are actually 300 iq.
>>85692061post the thing they made using it. now. something i can download and use myself.
>>85692042>>85692050yeah it is documented in the sense that you look at it and can easily tell ai wrote a lot of the code. amateurs vibeslop crap but nobody uses it, look at the most useful software on github you can read the source files there is heavy use of ai
>look at the most useful software on githubsuch as?
is firefox or chrome better? is windows or linux better? is 4chan or reddit better? is fortnite or wow better?100% of the devs are experts using ai right?
>>85692092well if there is nothing good then even the humans without ai have failed to make something useful according to you. everybody has failed so you can't blame ai for that because then you are complaining ai alone isn't better than the sum of humanity
>>85692075https://ghostty.org/
>>85692092https://github.com/friedrich-de/textractor-media-bridge
hoping dressmaker comes to switch before my daughter's birthday
it's simple. either everything on github right now is useless or hasn't been updated in years in which case oh ok that's an opinion or there are useful actively maintained things, in which case it's easy to point out that ai was used
>>85692107>is windows or linux better?uh oh
>>85692123
>>85692265*burp*so no?
>>85692126rolf
funy how triggered qm got by my comments
>>85692265i think he's trying to say nothing is good right now, implicitly admitting even the special snowflakes not using any ai are incompetent and useless lol
ai has increased the rate at which things are made.the rate of good ideas has held constant.hence the overwhelming flood of slop to quality ratio.and no, ai does not make smart people have good ideas more frequently.yes, most ideas devs and mathematicians had before ai were bad and or pointless, even if the implementation was automatically perfect.
so remember this, every time jamal says ai is useless don't forget to add he is also saying all of humanity right now is useless. a very useless thing to say, but then we could still ask whether a pro + ai is less useless than a pro without ai and he would still lose
>>85692273goalposts
>>85692340so you agree that pro + ai > pro without ai because the rate of good ideas is the same but the rate at which you can converting those ideas into output is drastically higher with ai collaboration
>>85692513*convertproof i'm not using ai btw because ai would've caught that
>>85692499there was no goalpost changing. i said impress me. we already know aislop can be made quickly and distributed all over the internet like a plague. but is any of it actually good or notable. it appears this goatty thing doesnt do anything that existing things dont.
>>85692340this is crazy, so at the end of the day the advancement of human made things relies on humans. this is revolutionary. waow. ive never seen ai boosters so thoroughly btfo before
>>85692537pros are faster with ai too. name something good right now or concede that humans without ai are trash
humans are trash with or without ai, but ai doesnt exist without humans so therefore its trash by extension.
>>85692556>this is crazy, so at the end of the day the advancement of human made things relies on humansof course because ai alone isn't good enough yet. >>85692582no, humans with ai are the best. you can't prove me wrong because there is nothing better
>advancement of human made things relies on humansthis is so funny to me because what do you think agi and rsi that everyone is trying to rush to even means? people post it about here every day and you still haven't acquired it?
>>85692605apparently a lot of vibesloppers dont even know the basics about programming, so they cant even fix their own vibeslop themselves and instead have to ask the llm 20 times in a row to not fuck things up the same way it did last time. seemingly. so it doesnt appear that humans with ai are better than regular humans and in fact they are worse than regular skilled humans.
>>85692632u need ai before agi and rsi and so far we dont evne seem to have that. but it would all be built on the back of that which is manmade.
>>85692643pro with ai > pro without ai > amateur with ai > amateur without ai often yeah, but at any expertise level human with ai > human without ai. so ai is useful. how do you not get something so simple?
>>85692675why did u move the goalposts from >no, humans with ai are the best. you can't prove me wrong because there is nothing betterwhile also simultaneously proving yourself wrong?
>>85692702>why did u move the goalposts fromi didn't. look at who's at the top, a human + ai. who's at the bottom? a human without ai. it gets worse for you, any human with ai > same human without ai. so you lose in lots of ways here. try to think about
but what are even the metrics for better? so far everything sucks.
>>85692537>post the thing they made using it. now. something i can download and use myself.no this is what you said. ghostty is pretty good btw and also mitchell hashimoto sold his company for 6.4 billion dollars to ibm btw
>>85692792actually, useful metrics distinguish things. if everything according to you sucks then it doesn't tell anything apart, so it's not useful
holy fuck jamal got owned by logic
>>85692825useful metrics, like sales and profitability. ai isnt good at these. in fact its very bad at them.
jamal is winning cause regardless of is he's wrong or right retards keep replying he's not playing the same game
>>85692882>take any kind of computer work. look at the people at the top right now. doesn't matter if top by money made or human appreciation. there is basically nobody there who isn't using ai.
>>85692892u cant be at the top and make no money, thats not how it works in the real world, so who is at the top in ur opinion.
>>85692890as much fun as spamming goatse is theres no substitute for this
>>85692890we're talking about the *people* at the top, and yeah people who use ai make a lot more money thanks to ai. look in this very thread! >>85690520
>>85692978meant for >>85692942
>>85692978>>85692991adoption takes a long time, anyone independently using ai to make money is just taking advantage of temporary gaps in market efficiency, be it people willing to pay for slop, or people paying a high rate for work that should be worth less and will be when market forces become more efficient around people using ai
>>85692513>pro + ai > pro>>85692340>and no, ai does not make smart people have good ideas more frequently.even pros are subject to the ratio
>>85693060after adoption the comparison of "with ai vs without ai", which is what we are actually discussing, is moot. there is no without ai then. the whole point is about the boost from using ai. and of course we are moving in that direction because the benefits from using ai completely outweigh the cons. that doesn't necessarily mean amateurs with ai will start beating pros who haven't adopted ai yet in this transition period, but it doesn't have to anyway because that isn't the point!
pro hoes + ai
>>85693121good ideas are essential to producing good work, but there's a lot more to a finished product than the initial idea. it's easy to underestimate just how much of that friction has disappeared now that ai is around, but that simply shows how many have pros have adopted ai and how quickly humans normalize and adapt to massive changes
so far ai just mostly shows the results of lazy unskilled people trying to make things they arent actually good enough to make, and the low quality results speak for themselvesai is the ultimate verison of low effort shitposting.
having good ideas is related to expertise but the two are not the same thing. anacreon is right in a twisted sense. so the whole idea of "pro" is also being redefined. this is exactly what ai pilled people have been saying. people with good ideas are pulling far ahead of everyone else, sometimes even ahead of "pros" who were only good because of more knowledge. ai is rapidly narrowing knowledge gaps while widening idea gaps (intelligence gaps basically). ai is an amplifier not an equalizer.
is 413 shart? wtf is wrong with this guy
what's wrong with talking about this? the thread talks about ai all day anyway. jamal's bullshit takes on ai have gotten annoying. you don't judge a tool by the skill of its user
