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General for discussion of Human Domestication Guide & related fiction.

diversity of florethood edition

>What is HDG?
HDG is a collective kink writing project about the Affini (an advanced precursor civilization from outer space), who aggressively care for every other species in the universe. They have finally turned their glittery eyes on future grimderp hypercapitalist nightmare humanity. Using their natural charisma and various classes of Xenodrugs, they aim to make Florets (d̶o̶c̶i̶l̶e̶,̶ ̶d̶r̶u̶g̶ ̶a̶d̶d̶l̶e̶d̶ ̶p̶e̶t̶s̶ loved and cared for individuals) of us all! But don't worry, they always have everyone's best interests at heart, even if their methods aren't even remotely consensual~

>Where can I read it?
Read the original story here https://readonlymind.com/@GlitchyRobo/HumanDomesticationGuide/
or check other stories on ROM https://readonlymind.com/search/?q=%23Human_Domestication_Guide
or Ao3 https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Human%20Domestication%20Guide%20-%20GlitchyRobo/works
or the wiki: https://hdg.wiki/

Thread having a very special B-Day(Bloom Day): desuarchive.org/trash/thread/85678036
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FLORET SEX
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My head hurts...
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>>85829530
is that the one from dog of war
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And then there was one...
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to breadbaker: i love you. pleade dont deel bad wr didnt use your thread. you did a good job i love you
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>>85830456
I thought it was independence is easy
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>>85831941
I second this
*nuzzles cute forgetful baker flort*
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>>85832358
maybe, I forget that one
I think the floret in dog of war has a similar harness though
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>>85829530
>>85833236
oh wait no, princess specifically didn't have a collar
so that's someone else
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bap
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floret who goes awawawawawawa
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>>85835550
Floret with a pinnate that sparkles...
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indie that got domesticated for being too awkward
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>>85838231
Consent is assumed(correctly) after the 5th "Uhm, Uhhh, (Awkward Laugh) cycle.
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>>85838389
kamala floret
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>>85838389
anxious stuttering florets are so cute and rapeable...
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emergency bap
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>>85839813
Giving Anxious florts a bowl of gummies that are either Class D or Class W
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>>85842139
what would you expect an anxious floret to say after taking class-D gummies?
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>>85842610
Something cute and embarrassing that they can't just "(Whining Noise)" out of because of the logorrhea.
Like how they love their plommy and cum really really hard when she plays with their penis and how their penis is actually really tiny cute
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>>85842712
aww, cute... i really like the idea of a very shy, quiet floret being forced by xenodrugs to loudly confess everything they like and want done to them and how much they love mistress
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dont you guys have a lbtq containment board? or did you get kicked out for your slavery fetish?
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>>85844060
we got kicked out for our slavery fetish :(
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>>85844085
honestly deserved but like was the "cracking eggs" never a issue with you guys.
like you make TF and transformation look bad
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>>85844106
not sure what you mean?
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I like egg cracking because its feminization without the constant humiliation and shaming.
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>>85844839
as someone who likes it when people are nice to me i like feminization when people are nice to you
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>>85844858
Its nice when people are nice to me and being a cute girl is nice too.
Would I give up my individual person hood for that?
No, but I don't value it enough to care to hold onto it in a world seperated from capitalism.
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Something I think this setting shows of pretty well is that age regression is very popular once you strip away the trappings of age regression. Lots of people like the idea of more-or-less being treated like a very well-loved child if you present that without telling them they have to wear diapers or sleep in a crib.
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>>85845812
I mean I guess, but you're kinda reducing age regression to being treated nicely by someone stronger than you, and lots of hdg isn't even like that at all
like hdg is petplay, and there's overlap between petplay and age regression to a point, as in both involve sometimes being treated nicely by someone stronger than you. But I don't think there's any age regression themes in the original story for instance, just petplay themes with overlap.
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>>85845812
I think a lot of people in the world want to feel young again, and if they could keep most of the freedoms of adulthood with the care, and lack of responsibility of being a child, they would.
Not everyone obviously, and maybe not permanently in many cases, but if people could live like they were 10 again, they would.
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scary dragonfinni
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my hdg brainworms fantasy involves being a very scared and sad feral who was forced (outright or by circumstance) into becoming a feralist, and then subsequently florted by a firstbloom (or any fini who hasnt had a floret before) who is simultaneously domineering and very kind and loving. and she trains me into being her pet and gives me lots of aftercare and comforts me when im frightened or depressed and basically ageregs me to ~14. and the affini have to have figured out immortality and preventing or circumventing heat death so i can be with her forever, and also be really scared of eternal pethood before she implants me.
it HAS to be this specifically by the way.
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>>85847562
yeag that ones pretty good
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I switch back and forth between "I want to be held and taken care of" and "I wanna be a 7ft tall loving motherly milf that's good at baking and comforting florets", picrel
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>>85847998
fortunately, florets can both be held and taken care of by their owners *and* be seven-foot tall loving motherly milfs that're good at baking and comforting others florets. the riches of the affini compact are truly boundless
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>>85848157
Very very lucky little floret with a bigger floret mommy and an even bigger affini grandmommy
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floret cut of portal where the whole game is just cuddling the companion cube.
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>>85849588
+ audio of GLaDoS being feralbroken in the bg
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>>85846642
i love her as much now as when i was extremely brainwormed about her months ago
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>>85850333
*easily defeats you and makes you into an adorable dragonet*
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My hdg brainworms fantasy is seemingly by pure chance I get to skip literally all the hdg cliches I don’t want to happen to me while hypercharging the ones I like. Later it turns out My Affini has been reading all my fanfiction and knew exactly what I’d want to happen, and beyond that we just happen to think roughly alike about stuff in a way that’s rare for Affini and Terrans. Then I become one of the demo florets for Terrans Are Adorable! classes as an example of an ez mode floret and get given lots of complements and pets and stuff regularly for many many years of my immortal life.
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>>85850473
Okay one she is beautiful holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit
And two she would not defeat me I would run to her screaming and crying begging her until my voice gives out to pease s ave me now now NOW NOW NOW NOW HELP HELP HELPL MOMMY HELP!!!!!!!!!! QUICK WUICK WIOCN FAST FAST FAST HURRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>85847562
you get it so much... I need to be really really scared of being a pet and for mommy to comfort me and try and make me feel better a lot but never give in to me by letting me not get the implant or something
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>>85850473
I need this thing to love me like Homura loves Madoka.
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>>85850473
I wonder if this thing realizes that if I see it and don’t get to become her floret I will immediately throw myself off the nearest bridge or building.
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>>85850473
I wonder how she would smell
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aww! everyone wants a big, strong, scary dragon mama who loves them very much, huh?
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>>85850670
I have a confession to make
All four of those posts were me
I just love her too much that’s all please forgive me
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>>85850670
This is the most beautiful affini I have ever seen and I want to be hers forever. Where was this hiding all my life? I need her like I need air and water.
(Still me)
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>>85850066
sadistic plommy breaking sadistic ai mommy asmr /// cuddling very very close to the aperture science radio
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>>85850757
cute...
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>>85850670
I just want a normal plommy
im not asking for much
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>>85850901
sorry the scary dragon is the only one we have left
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I want an abnormal plommy with a sex drive who tries to make me more independent rather than less but also still loves me and will do stuff like brush my teeth and help me shower because I hate that.
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>>85850927
I WANT HER I WANT HER GIVE HER TO ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!
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>>85850945
you can have her, ill wait. or just send me to another ship
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dragonfinni who licks her dragonet flort to bathe them. if theyre good and well-behaved her tongue is lathered in class-A sap
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Writing out my own domestication contract on tear stained synthcube wrappers and holding it up as she’s flying over and she doesn’t see and I go back to my apartment where they’re about to evict me and someone came in and tore the head off my stuffy while I was gone and I’m sitting there crying sniffing sobbing and they hear me (they were waiting to see my reaction) and they say to watch the propaganda no Affini would ever punish them for doing it and they slam the door and I go to my closet and dig out my gun and
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>>85851015
thank you thank you t
>>85851073
whoa thats a good way to make me the happiest floret ever Plewase tell me she hums or sings to me i mean to her floret
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Do I get to be transformed into a dragon by unbirth and going into an egg and stuff
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>>85851255
mommy who helps you out of your shell and licks the yolk off of you as you crack your egg <3
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>>85851276
Okay but I mean a literal egg not a metaphorical one!
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>>85851299
yeah, i didn't mean 'lick the yolk off you' metaphorically...?
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>>85850670
Vine tongue with injector is cheating and NOT FAIR AT ALL
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I bet egg yolk tastes really good when you're inside an egg
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>>85851108
Hmm... I think her mouth might be too busy to sing, but she'd hum and thrum a deep, comforting lullaby you can hear through her chest while she cleans you! nuzzling your snout against mama's neck while she holds you close, listening to the sound her core makes...
>>85851374
Pressing my ear against an eggshell and listening to the "schlup sclup schlup schlup" of the floret eatin their yolk
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>>85851402
Yeah that would be enough to make me happy I think
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>>85851402
>Pressing my ear against an eggshell and listening to the "schlup sclup schlup schlup" of the floret eatin their yolk
actually now that's kind of seeming gross and wet inside an egg
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>>85852311
its warm and comfy and you're surrounded by snacks
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>>85852629
it sounds very slimy though
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>>85852642
yeah but its nice warm cozy yummy slime
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>>85852662
well the yolk is tasty
the white part is not great
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>>85852717
well, the yolk is the part that developing embryos eat, so you don't really have to worry about that
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>>85852311
Have you ever seen anything hatch from an egg that wasn't sort of gross and wet looking
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bap
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bep
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bip
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bop
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Me when i care enough about a thread to keep it bumped
Yet not enough to contribute anything, not even a "floret that..." style post
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>>85859578
I was building up to a bit...
Now the flort doesn't know all her vowels...
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>>85859670
bup!
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>>85859710
YAAYYY!!
She knows all her vowels!
Flort can spell!!
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ever since I watched haibane renmei I've fantasized about my wings coming in like rakka's. my affini would give me medicine and then a while later I'd get a fever and they'd put me in bed and comfort me while I feel the wings pushing out through my back, and I'd be scared but it would be okay since they're there. and eventually they'd burst out and I'd collapse in exhaustion and my affini would tenderly wipe the blood from my feathers as I fell into a deep slumber...
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kelpfinni who saves an independent from drowning
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>>85860571
i wonder how many people into hdg also have weird feeling about that haibane scene
seems weirdly common
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>>85861947
huh really, I haven't heard anyone mention it before. glad to know I'm not alone in that scene leaving an indelible mark. angel imagery aside I think it's the hurt/comfort of it all that does it for me. knowing you're going to go through pain and it's not going to be easy, but you are going to be okay because someone's there to take care of you. it's cathartic. same vibes as like, getting implanted while awake...

I do wonder if it'd have hit as hard if I'd watched it a decade ago when I torrented it and still thought I was cis but who knows lmao
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Mad science independent very put out by their work being made obsolete after the arrival of the compact. All of their hideous, malformed creations and unethical experiments are outdated and shabby now.
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>>85859730
byp
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>>85862675
>pats this flort so so so many times
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>>85863191
:)
bpp
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>>85863858
well that's just not correct
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>>85863858
>pats this flort for being mostly there!
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uh- um- büp
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>>85866349
Good girl!!
>patpatpatpatpatpatpat!
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Affini Compact version of Spirit Halloween! Really cool costumes! Decorations that rape you! All the best candy!!!
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>>85867418
They built it in an abandoned mall and the ferals living under it all got caught in the sex traps...
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>>85867619
Me walking through assuming the struggling ferals caught in infinite mindbreak orgasms are just part of the decorations and bending over slightly to look at a really cool mask causing one of them who was holding back his orgasm to cum and become totally mindbroken forever!!!
Occasionally the affini and floret staff try to help them out of the traps but they squirm and say a bunch of nonsense about the will of Terra or something. All of them have years of permanent bad end fetish material in their files. Weird…
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It would be fun to let my owner turn me into a full on scary monster for Halloween. Completely altered consciousness, new mostly alien senses, supercharged sex drive (which is normal but even more so) but also I keep all the stuff I enjoy so it’s not total ego death.
Biiig dangerous looking monster with huge floppy penis hanging halfway out of sheath politely tapping on the window of some coffee shop asking if you have the ginger cookies they like, or any Xenrani I can huff like ether soaked rags.
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>>85867938
th-there aren't any uh, unactivated traps, are there? just so I know where not to fall into them. of course
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accidentally falling into the pod
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>>85868243
Oh yeah, there are tons! Some that trap you for a few hours, others for days… There’s one that compresses a full year of orgasms into ten seconds! But they don’t let you jump into that one without an affini nearby. Then there’s the animatronic ones if you want a creature themed trap, the robotic ones that let passers by control what happens to an extent, the limbs of a reblooming feralbreaker currently in hibernation under the store that just kind of grab Terrans sometimes and take her cute aggression out on them… And the transformation ones! I was checking out this really cool dog themed display with another Terran and um we are still stuck there actually if you know what I mean. Please don’t tell anyone the trap resets in a few minutes and we really want to enjoy the “successful breeding” sense this thing gave us…
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I don't want sex or orgasm I just want someone to love me
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>>85868286
omg, do you wake up a floret, or are you still technically independent, just now the biggest seed ever that will ask for an owner voluntarily...
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>>85868864
I'm not sure, I figure an affini is probably going to claim you while you're in there though
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>>85868891
affini that can't wait for their floret to finish baking, face squished against the pod
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>>85828734
please post HDG pictures i am collecting them
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pleading eyes
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>>85869730
the floret in this always makes me so happy
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>>85869730
I need more as well
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Innocent floret learns about reblooming
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>>85872217
post more
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>>85874034
Not actually me but basically me in the bottom right there being loved by finni
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sauteing my 'ffini for the 10th time this week because i'm bored
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>>85874775
what spices
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>>85875491
i don't know, i've had an unlabeled shaker with purple dust in it since i moved into the hab, so i dumped half of it in
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Indie that gets domesticated for self punishing behaviour
(I spilled my Cola so now i dont get to have cola)
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>>85876107
Indie that is unproductive, so they self punish. They don't get to play games, watch movies, or do anything they really want to do.
Because actually doing something productive gives them too much anxiety, and spending their time in leisure gives them too much guilt to even enjoy it.
So they just sit there, procrastinating endlessly, wasting all the free time they could have actually enjoyed, by doing absolutely nothing of worth. Saving shows, books and games that they'll hopefully get to enjoy one day, when they've finally earned it... when they've stopped being such a useless failure...
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>>85876446
me
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>>85876749
>scritches
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>>85868632
stepping out of the year of orgasms trap and trying to get back in line (the affini watching has to hold me back)
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condescendingly patting an affini on the head and telling them they did a good job
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i am a plant biologist working at a plant biology lab and i would like to look at an affini under a microscope
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>>85878846
I work with radiation and would like to blast an Affini with radiation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_gardening
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>>85879657
let's work together on this problem
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>>85882101
"please resist"

stars
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I like the floret facial expressions in the art. I want somebody to look at like that
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>>85882101
please post more pics like this, i need them all
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>>85883685
I'm just gonna be a retarded autist and ask can someone explain this to me. why would you want to resist. I get *actually* resisting (from shame, fear, etc) and I get wanting the affini to noncon you past that (it's what's great about hdg, someone else sees your needs more than you do), but in the fantasy isn't it better to just get it? why would you want your *affini* to want you to resist?

in my heart I just want to be good.
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>>85884726
maybe its just sarcasm
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>>85884726
An affini who wants you wants you to resist because resistance gives them a pretext to immediately domesticate you by force. This is pleasurable to the reader because people want to feel wanted.
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I would be such a goddamn glutton if I could have all the food I want and not be negatively affected by it
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You know, it amazes me that even after well over a year, ive yet to fully resolve the pradoxical superpostition of this setting. That being, how at once...
...its terrifying, existentially so and in more regular ways, borderline icky even sometimes.
and yet, also...
...its uniquely appealing, yearn inducing, and hot as fuck.

Took me a while to see #2 when i was new, but since its... sometimes a mostly A, sometimes mostly B, but usually some diffrently weighted combination of both at once.

done a good amount introspection on why things i my self would identify as a hugely immoral dystopia are somehow hot as fuck and appealing to me, since i came to this fandom. Cause its not just this setting, ive had that with others, this ones just held my attention for a long time now - cause it has that knifes edge balance of horror to lovey dovey comfort, quite often. Other settings tend to fall on the horror of it way to much, hot sure but, y'know? Its nice to have a chapter or a story that just wholesome and nice.

Anways, ive yet to come to any deeper epiphany on this than "cause you're a subby fucking looser autist", despite comming back to this evry now and then

pic unrelated
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>>85879689
>Compile a 50 curie cobalt-60 source
>Try to blast Mistress with it in the most dangerous game of laser tag
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>>85887129
>compile a 50 curie cobalt-60 source
>face melts off as soon as you open the compiler door
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>>85887129
>mistress' leaves change color everytime you blast her core...
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I wish it were easy to find a floret. I've met quite a few candidates over the last two years, but they all turned out boring and difficult to sit with. Sometimes I wonder if most affini don't feel the same and are simply putting up with their charges because the alternative is to be alone. With enough effort I could probably manage, but I'm much rather have a floret who thought I was a "cool affini" if not necessarily the coolest before I started on xenodrugs. After so much effort to learn Human, it would be a shame to have to move on just so I could find a feralist whose opinion I didn't feel a need to consider.
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>>85886914
A lot of it is because the setting's content runs a spectrum between utopian-heavy and kink-heavy. Kink-heavy stuff often sacrifices a lot of the utopianism by leaning into the infantilisation and mind/body damage and erasure, and vice versa. Being as large as it is, across so many works, it can exist in a superposition of 'canonically' horrible and 'canonically' delightful, despite individual works tending to be more one than the other.
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>>85887411
that's true, but the original story still sits in the perfect balance between cosmic horror and wish fulfillment on its own
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>>85886914
it was scary for like an hour. its a utopian setting, but has rape, but even the rape is utopian
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It remains scary because of all the people getting hugged by strangers, that's fucking gross and it's always really uncomfortable to read.
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>>85868286
Why is this fetish so infused with troon shit? 90% of pictures are about grown ass men wanting to be little girl sissies.
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>>85887657
because it's a setting originally created by a trans woman, and petplay is really popular among trans women.
most of the people in this thread are trannies
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>>85887701
That's a shame. MTF shit is gross. Would be kino if it was about ciswomen and MEN just being men.
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>>85887717
well tough, it's a setting about aliens kidnapping, drugging, brainwashing, and feminizing terrans into being their pets
if you want MEN just being men there's plenty of warhammer 40k books out there
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>>85887761
Wow how convenient that this alien species is feeding into the sissy fetish of porn addicted men instead of just domesticating them without the "estrogen" part.
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>>85887717
You're gonna have to write it then, bc the fanbase is like 8:1 ratio of transwxmen to cismen
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When I joined a big HDG discord server 90% at least of the people were tranny florets and maybe 10% played Affini, but most often would switch. So everyone wanted to be the pet.
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>>85887770
I'm pretty sure there are a number of stories written about cis men if you cared to look
but not many
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>>85887803
It should be about cisWOMEN not about men who want to wear panties and get fucked in the ass!!!!!!
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>>85887818
don't worry, when the affini get you they'll make you very pretty and you'll forget about all this stuff
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>>85887525
Ah yes, the utopia where i dont have basic rights and freedoms. My favorite.
Honestly though its quite par for the course that 'utopia' is a matter of presentation and perspective - the original Text that Established 'utopia' as the ultimate good place had things like... slavery (in the unfun human way) as a punishment for minor crimes.
I think >>85887148 has it right - due to diffrent fics having diffrent focuses, things get exitingly murky and uncertain. One source will tell you how you can lots of genuinely consequence free help and support as an indie, are generally left alone and how your habs 'privacy mide' is actualy genuine and needs a ship-wide vote about concern for your saftey to overwrite...
Another will talk at great length about how you have no rights, representation or recourse for anything done to you, and anything and evrything will be used by random affini to snatch you off the street, take away your bodily autonomy and turn you into a sentient procerlain doll and make you like it.
And somehow, both of these are true!
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>>85888174
>Ah yes, the utopia where i dont have basic rights and freedoms. My favorite.
me but unironically
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>>85887839
I never understood the red dots. Injection sites?
>>85888174
you do have basic rights and freedoms and also everything else you might want. its only because every fic is about one of the 20-40% of people dysfunctional enough to get domesticated that it seems like its this universal slavery society
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>>85887148
I was implying it would be in a shielded container with a collimator so it could be fired in a beam.

>>85887194
That's pretty cool
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bipp
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>>85888174
I think it's more so that people don't want to face the fact that their sexy fantasy would actually be pretty bad in reality, so they just insist that all the logical implications they don't like aren't actually logical implications because they just aren't don't question it and any reasons for not liking it aren't valid reasons for not liking it because you're not allowed to not like those things and doing so means you don't deserve to have your opinions listened to so everyone who matters likes it so it's definitely good. For example, >>85890572, if the Affini can overrule your decisions at any time, which they can, then even the nominally independent don't have rights, because you can't actually do anything with them. But not having rights sounds bad so that's not acknowledged.
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>>85894817
Yea. It does feel like alot of people are falling for the affini propaganda just completely unironicaly, and waving away any negatives.

When the whole point was that, the compact is a better place to live than the accord, and arguably than irl earth. Yet it is still vaguely dystopic in some aspects, utopuc in others.
I feel like the nuance there is often lost.
Take rights:
Yes, the avarage indie can do pretty much what ever they want and probabbly enjoy more de-facto freedom than before the compact... but that doesnt give em rights, since that freedom is entirely down to the arbitrary moods of the affini who allow those freedoms.

There is implied that there are some political rights indies have... mostly so that florets can then loose them
But its either left vague or implied to be shit like voting on the Design of the flag.
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>>85894817
I think people have a problem with liking hdg and admitting that it's still slavery and humans have no rights
I would feel very guilty about calling the affini here, if I could
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>>85894817
It is quite funny that people pretend "the setting so messed up its fans have to have community rules against any depiction of childhood whatsoever" is without fault
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Its hilarious how the wiki goes out of its way to say 'we know imperalism is bad, but its hot in a story'' and then people go 'actually the affini are totally morally perfect '
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Hey wait a minute my drughypnorape setting isn't very morally sound
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>>85895284
I don't need the Affini to have any kind of moral superiority I just need them to be smarter than humans.
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>>85894817
aren't you doing the exact same but opposite?
any reason for liking it aren't valid reasons for liking it because you're not allowed to like those things and doing so means you don't deserve to have your opinions listened to so everyone who matters dislikes it so it's definitely pretty bad in reality.
I think your opinion of not liking it is constantly validated, even by the people that like it, people always say it's totally fine if you don't like it, and everyone understands why you probably don't, it's the default and safe opinion that you have to bite many bad sounding bullets to even disagree with.

I think the affini are actually good, and I feel like that position is constantly ridiculed, for example: >>85895251 >>85895251
if it was the other way around, where is all the 'omg, they actually think the affini are bad lol'

Also saying stuff like how I don't want to face the facts, and how I don't question the logical implications, that's not 'just an opinion' even though people like you keep trying to disguise it as one to avoid arguments, you are just condescending and implying that everyone who likes it don't have valid reasons and are therefore in denial or stupid.
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>>85895896
I think you're mixing up thinking it's good with enjoying it
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>>85895914
I'm not, but I see why you think that. when I refer to people who like it in the context above, I mean people who thinks it's good, and people who don't like it thinks it's bad, but they could still enjoy it.
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>>85895896
You could argue im being a bit reductive perhaps, sure. They have their positives too, bringing us future tech and post scarcity, 'freeing' us from the accord (which depending on account was either a true nightmare hell state, or just todays capitalism slights worse). Standards of living definitely improve massively.
But they mist definitely are also imperialist supremacists, who see us as inherrently lesser than them, to be litterally owned as pets. They could raise us up as equals, but they do not.
Like, the good and the bad are both real, yea? Being the preferable option outta the two dies not make then morally good. The fact thats even at all controversial Shows just how effective they are in their domestication, haha. (Cant say im entirely unaffected, im here afterall)

Anyways, i cant speak for the others - i love this setting. Dont get it twisted. Hot as fuck, and plenty of yearn fuel. I aint a hater.
Perhaps even preferable to what we have now, i cant say for sure if i would or wouldnt press the 'bring them here now' Button.
But 'genuinely morally good'? If you're theres youre either larping ir waaaaay to deep in the koolaid
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>>85896756
Nevermind i read your post again and were replying to someone else, not me.
My points stand but NTA
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>>85896756
>But 'genuinely morally good'? If you're theres youre either larping ir waaaaay to deep in the koolaid
No, I think they are genuinely morally good. I'm not larping, and when you say I'm too deep in the cool aid, you're just dismissing my opinion as crazy, which means I get to call your opinion dumb in response, which I think is fair.
>But they mist definitely are also imperialist supremacists, who see us as inherrently lesser than them, to be litterally owned as pets. They could raise us up as equals, but they do not.
I don't care about what labels they fit, I care about why they act how they do, and I think their reasoning can be justified just about as well as any other. At the end of the day it all comes down to fundamental values.
Yes, they could raise us up as equals, yet they don't, why not? I can think of both good and bad reasons why they wouldn't, so I don't assume it's for bad the reasons, I assume it's for the good reasons.
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>>85897102
Yea, that IS a pretty insane stance anon. Its not quite but almost like saying 'colonialism was good cause they got roads and modern sanitation and values out if it'

>At the end of the day it all comes down to fundamental values.
I suppose it does, yes. Unfortunately thats the sort of thing where no amount of argueing tends to sway anyone ever. I happen to quite enjoy argueing on the Internet, but it is obviously ultimately unproductive
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Saw an insane line on Twitter that had me cackling

> the concept of trans people hating israel is so funny like, who do you think created you



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